Signal vs Noise, Bot Enforced
January 17, 2008 2:16 PM Subscribe
soooooooo, how do you know if what you're about to say has been said before, short of getting muted?
also, doesn't this just mean that folks are going to start saying common things in weird ways? I'm not specifically thinking of things like "yes" or "no", but more of things like
"Hey guys, it's my birthday!"
which might become:
"hello gentlemens! it dost be mine birthdays!"
posted by shmegegge at 2:28 PM on January 17, 2008 [2 favorites]
also, doesn't this just mean that folks are going to start saying common things in weird ways? I'm not specifically thinking of things like "yes" or "no", but more of things like
"Hey guys, it's my birthday!"
which might become:
"hello gentlemens! it dost be mine birthdays!"
posted by shmegegge at 2:28 PM on January 17, 2008 [2 favorites]
That sounds like a maximally positive outcome to me, schmegegge.
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:31 PM on January 17, 2008 [4 favorites]
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:31 PM on January 17, 2008 [4 favorites]
aw man, that's just an excuse for people to pull out their //\4|> !33+ 5|<:|_|_2
posted by juv3nal at 2:32 PM on January 17, 2008
posted by juv3nal at 2:32 PM on January 17, 2008
It's not a bad theory, but I think it'll fail in execution. Shared language is one of the main ways a community coheres and this method explicitly discourages that. Plus: no knock knock jokes! (The other primary way that communities cohere.)
posted by wemayfreeze at 2:32 PM on January 17, 2008
posted by wemayfreeze at 2:32 PM on January 17, 2008
That sounds like a maximally positive outcome to me, schmegegge.
posted by cortex at 2:33 PM on January 17, 2008 [14 favorites]
posted by cortex at 2:33 PM on January 17, 2008 [14 favorites]
It seems almost too simple to work, yet there's a definite improvement in the quality of conversation. There's a #moderator-sandbox on the same net for playing around.
posted by Skorgu at 2:33 PM on January 17, 2008
posted by Skorgu at 2:33 PM on January 17, 2008
also, doesn't this just mean that folks are going to start saying common things in weird ways?
He addresses that in the blog:
Q: What about common parts of conversation, like “yeah” and the like?
A: Surprisingly, it doesn’t seem to be a huge problem. In some cases, they can be done without entirely, and in others, you’re just forced to elaborate a little bit on what you’re agreeing with and why.
And as Pope Guilty said, saying common things in weird ways sounds kinda nice.
posted by lazaruslong at 2:35 PM on January 17, 2008
He addresses that in the blog:
Q: What about common parts of conversation, like “yeah” and the like?
A: Surprisingly, it doesn’t seem to be a huge problem. In some cases, they can be done without entirely, and in others, you’re just forced to elaborate a little bit on what you’re agreeing with and why.
And as Pope Guilty said, saying common things in weird ways sounds kinda nice.
posted by lazaruslong at 2:35 PM on January 17, 2008
juv3nal: Eponysterical, and non-alphanums are stripped for comparison purposes according to the blog.
posted by Skorgu at 2:35 PM on January 17, 2008
posted by Skorgu at 2:35 PM on January 17, 2008
Pope Guilty: "That sounds like a maximally positive outcome to me, schmegegge."
cortex: "That sounds like a maximally positive outcome to me, schmegegge."
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posted by lazaruslong at 2:40 PM on January 17, 2008 [5 favorites]
cortex: "That sounds like a maximally positive outcome to me, schmegegge."
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posted by lazaruslong at 2:40 PM on January 17, 2008 [5 favorites]
That sounds like a maximally positive outcome to me, schmegegge.
posted by shmegegge at 2:46 PM on January 17, 2008 [6 favorites]
posted by shmegegge at 2:46 PM on January 17, 2008 [6 favorites]
I think they should tweak the bot to only mute the internet memes: All your base; LOLanything; etc. Then you get rid of the most annoying unoriginal crap, but still allow for some repetition. As new memes emerge, they would need to be added.
That sounds like a maximally positive outcome to me, schmegegge.
posted by never used baby shoes at 2:49 PM on January 17, 2008
That sounds like a maximally positive outcome to me, schmegegge.
posted by never used baby shoes at 2:49 PM on January 17, 2008
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posted by suckerpunch at 2:50 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by suckerpunch at 2:50 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]
Your qualm trickles into my ears and appears to my faculties to posses the maximal amount of both awesome and fantastic, schmegegge. Indubitably!
posted by Stunt at 3:09 PM on January 17, 2008
posted by Stunt at 3:09 PM on January 17, 2008
I was in there last night. There's a sort of sick pleasure to asking someone a question, and then seeing them muted because of a reflex answer.
posted by nthdegx at 3:15 PM on January 17, 2008
posted by nthdegx at 3:15 PM on January 17, 2008
Das klingt wie ein maximal positives Ergebnis für mich, schmegegge.
posted by tkolar at 3:35 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by tkolar at 3:35 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're counting on you.
posted by eriko at 4:06 PM on January 17, 2008 [6 favorites]
posted by eriko at 4:06 PM on January 17, 2008 [6 favorites]
juv3nal: Eponysterical, and non-alphanums are stripped for comparison purposes according to the blog.
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posted by juv3nal at 4:06 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]
what about querying google with the exact phrase, and if there are more than N mentions, to determine the "internet-meme-ishness" of the phrase, and ban accordingly?
posted by Freen at 4:15 PM on January 17, 2008
posted by Freen at 4:15 PM on January 17, 2008
As a poor speller, I welcome this new technology.
That sounds like a maximaly positive outcome to me, schmegege.
posted by Gary at 4:17 PM on January 17, 2008
That sounds like a maximaly positive outcome to me, schmegege.
posted by Gary at 4:17 PM on January 17, 2008
That sounds like a mammary positing purple monkey dishwasher.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 5:32 PM on January 17, 2008 [8 favorites]
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 5:32 PM on January 17, 2008 [8 favorites]
I am typing something which has never appeared on metafilter before.
posted by Durhey at 5:34 PM on January 17, 2008
posted by Durhey at 5:34 PM on January 17, 2008
I am familiar with being DENIED THE PRIVILEGE OF SPEECH EVERY DAY I'VE LIVED.
posted by ersatz at 5:56 PM on January 17, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by ersatz at 5:56 PM on January 17, 2008 [2 favorites]
But can the bot handle hesitation and deviation?
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 5:56 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 5:56 PM on January 17, 2008 [1 favorite]
what about querying google with the exact phrase, and if there are more than N mentions, to determine the "internet-meme-ishness" of the phrase, and ban accordingly?
I've heard people talk about similar things as ways of screening for blogspam. One problem you run into is that Google will block you from making queries if you make too many, too quickly. I assume if you paid or got into some sort of agreement with them, you could get something worked out, but for regular people you'd get blacklisted pretty fast if you started running a query on every message sent to a chatroom.
But it does seem like, in general, Google or another internet search engine would be a good way of measuring the "uniqueness" of a message.
posted by Kadin2048 at 6:12 PM on January 17, 2008
I've heard people talk about similar things as ways of screening for blogspam. One problem you run into is that Google will block you from making queries if you make too many, too quickly. I assume if you paid or got into some sort of agreement with them, you could get something worked out, but for regular people you'd get blacklisted pretty fast if you started running a query on every message sent to a chatroom.
But it does seem like, in general, Google or another internet search engine would be a good way of measuring the "uniqueness" of a message.
posted by Kadin2048 at 6:12 PM on January 17, 2008
I spent a day in this channel. It was kind of fun. Like Russian roulette. I played a game of typing in one and two letter phrases that I hoped hadn't been ordered. My finally muting time ended up being about 9 hours long, partly due to a bug in the bot.
There definitely was a high signal-to-noise ratio, but there were also hassles. If someone said something funny, for instance, you had to stifle the urge to type /me laughs. In answering questions, people came up with long sentences when shorter ones would have sufficed.
posted by wastelands at 6:21 PM on January 17, 2008
There definitely was a high signal-to-noise ratio, but there were also hassles. If someone said something funny, for instance, you had to stifle the urge to type /me laughs. In answering questions, people came up with long sentences when shorter ones would have sufficed.
posted by wastelands at 6:21 PM on January 17, 2008
Oh, and I'm still trying to figure out how the hash table (or whatever) works so that looking up a phrase in 1.4 million+ lines of logs could be so fast. Wikipedia's explanation was pretty basic.
posted by wastelands at 6:23 PM on January 17, 2008
posted by wastelands at 6:23 PM on January 17, 2008
Agh. I just came here to post this and now I see it's already posted.
You cannot believe how much more I want to post it as a double.
posted by flatluigi at 6:27 PM on January 17, 2008 [4 favorites]
You cannot believe how much more I want to post it as a double.
posted by flatluigi at 6:27 PM on January 17, 2008 [4 favorites]
Oh, and I'm still trying to figure out how the hash table (or whatever) works so that looking up a phrase in 1.4 million+ lines of logs could be so fast. Wikipedia's explanation was pretty basic.
CPUs can compare two numbers in a few cycles. CPUs take many, many cycles to compare strings. Hashing a string basically turns it into a number which makes it easy to compare quickly.
Iterating through a list of 1.4 million numbers and comparing them is a fairly trivial task for modern CPUs with things like pipelining, superscaling and SIMD. A 2GHz CPU could probably handle at least 500 lines a second of incoming text.
posted by Talez at 6:39 PM on January 17, 2008
CPUs can compare two numbers in a few cycles. CPUs take many, many cycles to compare strings. Hashing a string basically turns it into a number which makes it easy to compare quickly.
Iterating through a list of 1.4 million numbers and comparing them is a fairly trivial task for modern CPUs with things like pipelining, superscaling and SIMD. A 2GHz CPU could probably handle at least 500 lines a second of incoming text.
posted by Talez at 6:39 PM on January 17, 2008
Well, wastelands, you can always say:
"Thou hast made a funnie!"
"Thy humor hath succeded in evoking amusement in at least one of thy peers."
"My laugh-organ is being stimulated by your statements."
Well--you could have said those things, anyway.
Hahahahaha!
muted
posted by sonic meat machine at 10:10 PM on January 17, 2008
"Thou hast made a funnie!"
"Thy humor hath succeded in evoking amusement in at least one of thy peers."
"My laugh-organ is being stimulated by your statements."
Well--you could have said those things, anyway.
Hahahahaha!
muted
posted by sonic meat machine at 10:10 PM on January 17, 2008
Can this feature be added to MetaFilter?
Obituary threads would become the new Jonestown.
posted by secret about box at 11:20 PM on January 17, 2008 [6 favorites]
Obituary threads would become the new Jonestown.
posted by secret about box at 11:20 PM on January 17, 2008 [6 favorites]
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