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May 5, 2008 8:20 PM   Subscribe

The thaw of political ice has freed up data from impressive Russian research projects documenting and analysing the accelerating thaw of real ice. A multi-generational study (Mikhail M. Kozhov, his daughter, her daughter...) of Lake Baikal has unexpectly demonstrated that the lake is warming....At higher latitudes, Sergei Zimov has not just documented the thaw of Siberian permafrost, he is attempting to mitigate it....
posted by Kronos_to_Earth (14 comments total) 5 users marked this as a favorite
It's interesting how much more press this gets than other findings such as how sea ice is at 25 year highs.

Climate Debate Daily has links on people confirming global warming and links with questions about some of the data.
posted by sien at 8:31 PM on May 5, 2008

I like personal stories about scientific families, those who have kept records despite their difficulties in gathering data...conclusions aside, I find it inspirational to get a glimpse into families who have merged their family story with the science story.

We are story-telling people; we can argue about the stories; we can enjoy these stories, too.

I personally think the science stories are especially important now (even though I'm a lit teacher), because our survival is at stake here...
posted by kozad at 8:51 PM on May 5, 2008 [1 favorite]

sien: the link you posted actually says: "On a global basis, world sea ice in April 2008 reached levels that were “unprecedented” for the month of April in over 25 years."

Hardly the same thing.
posted by lupus_yonderboy at 9:26 PM on May 5, 2008

I checked the links in this post in "preview". They all worked. When I checked the FPP, the NYT article link threw a login page. If this is happening to you, I apologize. Flag the post and have it removed.
posted by Kronos_to_Earth at 9:39 PM on May 5, 2008

It's interesting how much more press this gets than other findings such as how sea ice is at 25 year highs.

Climate Debate Daily has links on people confirming global warming and links with questions about some of the data.

It's interesting how quickly any scientific study on climate change that gets discussed here receives comments that link to the same handful of disingenuous "skeptic" sites.
posted by Tehanu at 9:41 PM on May 5, 2008

Nonsense! This is an interesting post, that link is only one piece of it.
posted by owhydididoit at 9:44 PM on May 5, 2008

2 OP
posted by owhydididoit at 9:45 PM on May 5, 2008

Whenever I run into an NYT article that requires login, I just paste the URL into Safari in "Private Browsing" mode. Works great. I'm of the opinion that playing those sorts of games with cookies should get NYT kicked off Google's index, but I suppose there's a bit of quid pro quo going on.
posted by sdodd at 9:59 PM on May 5, 2008

lupus: Good call.

tehanu: Why is climate audit disingenuous?
posted by sien at 10:08 PM on May 5, 2008

The melting of the permafrost is Very Scary. There's a helluva lot of methane that's gonna fart out of it.

The ice-age pattern, so I'm led to understand, is to have a short period of warming followed by a long climate crash.

Regardless, significant climate change and weather instability means loss of cropland, loss of habitat, and way more death.

The next few years shall be intensely interesting.
posted by five fresh fish at 10:39 PM on May 5, 2008

I interviewed Zimov for a New Scientist article (reg. req.) on his Pleistocene Park project a few years ago. Interesting guy - damn ambitious, too, for a scientist.
posted by gottabefunky at 11:12 PM on May 5, 2008 [1 favorite]

Nice post, thanks!
posted by languagehat at 6:33 AM on May 6, 2008

tehanu: Why is climate audit disingenuous?

It's Steve McIntyre's blog. He is not a climate scientist by training, but he likes to let people think he's one, and he backs up that inference and the validity of his analyses by publishing in venues such as a "journal" set up especially for climate skeptics. The journal is known for letting questionable research through its review process as general practice, and its editor has explicitly compared the scientific consensus on global warming to Nazi propaganda. The Wall Street Journal published a positive article based on McIntyre's hockeystick analysis and then later published a follow-up that was more ambivalent.

It is also interesting to note that McIntyre's background is actually in mineral exploration, that he is a Marshall Institute expert. The Marshall Institute is a thinktank that has close ties to the oil industry and receives funds from ExxonMobil. McIntyre has directed and advised energy companies in the past. Currently he specializes in nitpicking important datasets, greatly exaggerating the significance of the mistakes and errors that he finds, and then broadcasting his findings through sympathetic media outlets. He is beloved by climate skeptics, who view him as a champion of the cause. He posts his repeated submissions and rejections from scientific journals on the internet to prove how his repeated negative reviews from scientists in the relevant fields mean science is biased.

You didn't ask about Climate Debate Daily, but that already got covered pretty well in a previous thread.

I hadn't read the last two links in this FPP yesterday. Recreating a Pleistocene-like herbivore community with big mammals shipped in from other areas seems risky. When were these species most recently in this region?
posted by Tehanu at 10:30 AM on May 6, 2008 [1 favorite]

Thank you very much for that synopsis of the author's background.
posted by five fresh fish at 7:54 PM on May 6, 2008

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