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The Victorian Dictionary: A motley collection of primary source documents and reference materials about Victorian London by historical thriller author Lee Jackson. Read the 1841 Census, browse peroid advertisements, zoom in on the 1881 Pocket Guide to London or just learn some dirty words.
I was interested to discover that "beeswax" was slang for "cheese." This brings up the question of why they needed slang for cheese. It also brings up the question of why I clicked on the "Dirty Words" link first and was disappointed to find no dirty words.
I am ashamed of myself. Excuse me, I need to go to the counting-house....
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:15 AM on April 19, 2010
I am ashamed of myself. Excuse me, I need to go to the counting-house....
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:15 AM on April 19, 2010
GenjiandProust - beeswax is used as a coating to protect cheese.
posted by tellurian at 6:33 AM on April 19, 2010
posted by tellurian at 6:33 AM on April 19, 2010
This brings up the question of why they needed slang for cheese.
For the tourists. To be locally colorful. Least, that's what I hears from the old Trouble and Strife.
posted by IndigoJones at 6:48 AM on April 19, 2010 [1 favorite]
For the tourists. To be locally colorful. Least, that's what I hears from the old Trouble and Strife.
posted by IndigoJones at 6:48 AM on April 19, 2010 [1 favorite]
beeswax is used as a coating to protect cheese
That explains the origins of the phrase, not why it was needed. I am not sure "tourists" adequately sums it up, either, but I could be wrong. I would like to imagine a thriving and sinister Victorian underground of lowlife cheese-producers. Evil men in shabby top hats meeting in slimy alleys and dubious taverns to discussing moving the latest load of "beeswax" out of their illegal cheeselabs... The government cracking down on rennet sales... The Sensational Trial of the Notorious Cheeselord "Beeswax" Wilkins...
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:56 AM on April 19, 2010 [4 favorites]
That explains the origins of the phrase, not why it was needed. I am not sure "tourists" adequately sums it up, either, but I could be wrong. I would like to imagine a thriving and sinister Victorian underground of lowlife cheese-producers. Evil men in shabby top hats meeting in slimy alleys and dubious taverns to discussing moving the latest load of "beeswax" out of their illegal cheeselabs... The government cracking down on rennet sales... The Sensational Trial of the Notorious Cheeselord "Beeswax" Wilkins...
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:56 AM on April 19, 2010 [4 favorites]
Almost every time I google something with the keyword "Victorian" in it, a page from that site turns up on the first page of results. It's a fabulous resource.
posted by immlass at 7:25 AM on April 19, 2010
posted by immlass at 7:25 AM on April 19, 2010
Okay, so the Victorian slang dictionary says "Pratt" means "buttocks." So does the word "pratfall" stem a Victorian word for falling on one's ass?
Holy shit, it does.
posted by zarq at 8:23 AM on April 19, 2010 [2 favorites]
Holy shit, it does.
posted by zarq at 8:23 AM on April 19, 2010 [2 favorites]
Raise your hand if you went to the "dirty words" link first!
posted by tommasz at 9:05 AM on April 19, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by tommasz at 9:05 AM on April 19, 2010 [2 favorites]
This brings up the question of why they needed slang for cheese.
According to available evidence, that would be "none of your beeswax".
posted by sebastienbailard at 10:01 AM on April 19, 2010 [1 favorite]
According to available evidence, that would be "none of your beeswax".
posted by sebastienbailard at 10:01 AM on April 19, 2010 [1 favorite]
/raises hand
After clicking around a bit in the dictionary section, I found that "crib" has been slang for "house" for more than 150 years now.
Didn't find too many dirty words, though. =(
posted by HE Amb. T. S. L. DuVal at 10:55 AM on April 19, 2010
After clicking around a bit in the dictionary section, I found that "crib" has been slang for "house" for more than 150 years now.
Didn't find too many dirty words, though. =(
posted by HE Amb. T. S. L. DuVal at 10:55 AM on April 19, 2010
Those old maps may in fact bring me to orgasm.
Is your name "Cory Doctorow" by any chance?
posted by Ratio at 1:07 PM on April 19, 2010
Is your name "Cory Doctorow" by any chance?
posted by Ratio at 1:07 PM on April 19, 2010
I have all of Lee Jackson's books-- he isn't the world's best crime writer, but he sure does know his Victoriana.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:05 PM on April 19, 2010
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:05 PM on April 19, 2010
I can well imagine a thriving underground cheese (and wine) market in France or Italy, where according to my sources I understand it is even now illegal to sell certain styles of either or legit styles incorrectly labelled.
posted by DU at 5:11 AM on April 20, 2010
posted by DU at 5:11 AM on April 20, 2010
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posted by three blind mice at 5:42 AM on April 19, 2010 [2 favorites]