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February 16, 2011 2:59 PM   Subscribe

The Evolution of the Drift angle: A 90 minute film on the history of the rallying motorsport for your enjoyment. (SYLT)
posted by HLD (19 comments total) 21 users marked this as a favorite

 
The Arab Drift.
posted by chavenet at 3:03 PM on February 16, 2011


My intro to rally driving was a video running in the background in a bar in Amsterdam in '96. It was really entertaining until I realized that all the clips were of crashes... into crowds of people who somehow thought it was a swell idea to watch the race on the outside of a turn.
posted by Cuspidx at 3:55 PM on February 16, 2011


A few thoughts:

1. Rally is awesome.
2. Lancia and Ford have had some awesome times.
3. One day, I will own a Lancia Stratos and/or a Lancia Delta HF Integrale.
4. Seriously, Lancia? You've gone from that to making re-badged Chryslers? What happened?
posted by The World Famous at 4:07 PM on February 16, 2011


Weird music, but unbelievable footage. The onboard shots of the Audi S1 in Portugal were literally breathtaking. Reminded me of Climb Dance, only with even tighter turns and about a million people lining the course.

Great post, thanks for sharing.
posted by saladin at 4:35 PM on February 16, 2011


Not so fast there, The World Famous. Badmouth Lancia at your own peril but behold the glory that is the new Stratos. With appreciative nods from Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 4:40 PM on February 16, 2011


The new Stratos is great. But it's not a Lancia.
posted by The World Famous at 4:42 PM on February 16, 2011 [1 favorite]


I'd settle for a Stratos kit car.
posted by saladin at 5:00 PM on February 16, 2011


The new Stratos is great. But it's not a Lancia.

I'm not sure what yardstick you're basing that statement on. The fact that the new one is a bespoke car designed by Pininfarina for German investors, featuring a Ferrari chassis and engine? So are you in the camp that says the new Bentleys, Rollers, Bugattis, Jaguars et al aren't really genuine car lines because they're now owned/assembled by different owners?
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 5:21 PM on February 16, 2011


As glorious as the Stratos is or was, I'd settle for a works Escort RS1800. As a wee boy I got to watch (and meet!) rally legend Ari Vatanen thrashing one in Australia in 1981. Unforgettable stuff. To this day, the sound of a worked BDA engine still raises hairs on my neck.
posted by tim_in_oz at 5:42 PM on February 16, 2011


I'm not sure what yardstick you're basing that statement on. The fact that the new one is a bespoke car designed by Pininfarina for German investors, featuring a Ferrari chassis and engine? So are you in the camp that says the new Bentleys, Rollers, Bugattis, Jaguars et al aren't really genuine car lines because they're now owned/assembled by different owners?

Tone is difficult to discern in print on the internet. Was that sarcasm? Because yeah, it's not a Lancia because it's a bespoke car designed by Pininfarina for German investors and featuring a Ferrari chassis (the engine is less relevant, given that the original Stratos also had a Ferrari engine). And because this is not part of this. The car's own website distinguishes between the Lancia Stratos and the New Stratos. That emblem on the New Stratos doesn't say Lancia. It says Stratos. It's not a Lancia because it doesn't even pretend to be a Lancia.
posted by The World Famous at 5:44 PM on February 16, 2011


Tone is difficult to discern in print on the internet. Was that sarcasm?

Touchy, touchy. No, it wasn't. It was trying to discern the basis for your statements. You do know that Lancia isn't really Lancia anymore, by some measures, being bought by Fiat in 1969. Like that other Italian sports car firm, Ferrari. And Abarth. And now Chrysler. My point is that this new Stratos is closer to the original than anything made currently by whatever automotive conglomeration owns the rights to the name Lancia. If you parse my original post closely, I never associated the current company known as Lancia with the new Stratos. Tone, always tone. And twirling, always twirling.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:30 PM on February 16, 2011


There's just a little bit more about the video on what I think is the film makers site...

The 90-minute film is based on the extensive archives of Viennese filmmaker Helmut Deimel who, since the early seventies, has been in close contact with the sport, not only with his camera but also as co-driver. Cornerstones of this dusty journey into time are epoch-making cars, fascinating personalities, magnificent sceneries and the sport’s glorious highlights, so intense in atmosphere: Driving by night and the strain involved, full speed through Greek towns and a funeral amidst it all, onboard repair jobs and the ever-changing fashions in cars, the great adventure Africa, the Italians and their emotional exuberance, the adoration of fans, the spectacular professional errors etc.

posted by adamt at 6:50 PM on February 16, 2011 [1 favorite]


You do know that Lancia isn't really Lancia anymore, by some measures, being bought by Fiat in 1969.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be contrarian or fighty. I wasn't being touchy - I was literally trying to figure out whether you were really asking the question or whether you were being sarcastic. When I say the New Stratos is not a Lancia and that I'm disappointed at Lancia's current state as a car company (i.e. Lancia Automobiles S.p.A) that sells boring cars and re-badged Chryslers, I'm saying that the New Stratos is literally not affiliated with Lancia Automobiles S.p.A and that Lancia Automobiles S.p.A has, disappointingly, devolved into something that does not resemble the awesomeness of its former self.

The New Stratos, which is not a Lancia, is, indeed, closer to the original than anything currently made by Lancia Automobiles S.p.A. And it is, indeed, more "a true Lancia" in a metaphorical or spiritual sense than anything currently made by Lancia Automobiles S.p.A.

I'm lamenting the sad state of Lancia Automobiles S.p.A in petrolhead terms, not complaining that there's nothing out there in the world that resembles the former awesomeness of Lancia Automobiles S.p.A in some metaphorical sense.

Your question about my opinion of Bugatti, Jaguar, etc. might be what threw me off, since it seemed from that question like you are critical of the notion that a marque's "spiritual" identity is separate from its corporate ownership somehow. But now you seem to be advocating the idea that the New Stratos is a true Lancia regardless of corporate affiliation.

I get the impression that you and I agree on pretty much everything but that we're somehow talking past each other or something. But I stand by my prior assertion that it is genuinely depressing that the corporate entity responsible for awesome Group B cars went from making the Delta HF in the early 90s (as well as some other fun cars during that same timeframe, like the underrated Thema) to making the boring stuff they do now.

You do know that Lancia isn't really Lancia anymore, by some measures, being bought by Fiat in 1969. Like that other Italian sports car firm, Ferrari. And Abarth. And now Chrysler. My point is that this new Stratos is closer to the original than anything made currently by whatever automotive conglomeration owns the rights to the name Lancia.

I may be mistaken, but I believe the automotive conglomeration that currently owns the rights to the name Lancia (i.e. Fiat Automobili S.p.A.) is the same one that owned it when it made the Lancia Stratos.
posted by The World Famous at 6:58 PM on February 16, 2011


That was great! Thanks for posting.
posted by BeerFilter at 7:03 PM on February 16, 2011


Apologies as well if I'm coming off as fighty. I am in lockstep with you on Lancia's current disappointing offerings. I had hope to cheer you up with the new Stratos, outside of a Lancia build. Also just realized that Lancia doesn't own the rights to the Strato's name anymore. So if there ever is a "Lancia Stratos" ever produced again, it's going to take some wrangling on the same level as the recently resolved squabble over who owns the name Lotus Racing/Team Lotus.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 7:56 PM on February 16, 2011


it's going to take some wrangling on the same level as the recently resolved squabble over who owns the name Lotus Racing/Team Lotus.

I fear you're right about that. And man, that Lotus name fight is the worst. Then add to that the direction that Lotus the car company is taking and I'd almost prefer that the Lotus name just not be used anymore.
posted by The World Famous at 8:03 PM on February 16, 2011


That. Was. Awesome!

I wanna be a rally driver when I grow up.

What do you mean I'm already grown up!?!
posted by inparticularity at 12:40 AM on February 17, 2011


After watching this I felt I needed to touch base with WRC. I haven't tried to keep up since they stopped showing it on my TV about 5 years ago. What a disappointment! The only manufacturers currently competing are Ford and Citroen. Subaru and Mitsubishi pulled out in 2008. Sebastien Loeb has won every year since I quit watching. I guess it's always had it's surges and wanes in popularity. Hopefully the sport will bounce back or find new ways forward.
posted by BeerFilter at 6:15 AM on February 17, 2011


thank you HLD, you just totally made me and mr. lfr's totally boring workdays liveable :D
posted by lonefrontranger at 10:32 AM on February 17, 2011


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