A is for Victory.
July 19, 2011 6:37 AM Subscribe
Olly Moss designed two Captain America prints in the style of WWII propaganda. So did Eric Tan and Tyler Stout (less propaganda, more movie poster). All commissioned by Mondo. The Tyler Stout prints will be given away at the Captain America Comic-Con screening.
Cool posters.
Can't say I'm geeked-up for the movie, though. Captain America always seems to me to be the weakest of the "name brand" heroes. A product of its time that never quite translated effectively beyond its time.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:59 AM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
Can't say I'm geeked-up for the movie, though. Captain America always seems to me to be the weakest of the "name brand" heroes. A product of its time that never quite translated effectively beyond its time.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:59 AM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
I love the Olly Moss ones; I think he did a great job capturing the design idiom of the period.
posted by Admiral Haddock at 7:00 AM on July 19, 2011
posted by Admiral Haddock at 7:00 AM on July 19, 2011
These are so much better then I was expecting.
You know, I've said it before but if Cap survives the to the modern era he needs to be all kinds of racist. Not malicious, but just a lot of Boy Scout 1940s crap running around inside his head like he's really nationalistic and calls Nick Fury " a credit to his race" and is suspicious of " inverts".
posted by The Whelk at 7:01 AM on July 19, 2011 [3 favorites]
You know, I've said it before but if Cap survives the to the modern era he needs to be all kinds of racist. Not malicious, but just a lot of Boy Scout 1940s crap running around inside his head like he's really nationalistic and calls Nick Fury " a credit to his race" and is suspicious of " inverts".
posted by The Whelk at 7:01 AM on July 19, 2011 [3 favorites]
I like the little v-for-victory hand sign as the helmet-wign detail. That's clever.
posted by device55 at 7:04 AM on July 19, 2011
posted by device55 at 7:04 AM on July 19, 2011
I think that would be pretty funny, especially if he tries to be more sensitive about it.
"You know, Fury, I know I've said some things that have upset you, but I just want you to know that I've learned my lesson and I'm proud to be fighting alongside a colored."
"...What the fuck did you just say?"
"Oh! Sorry. A colored person."
posted by FAMOUS MONSTER at 7:05 AM on July 19, 2011 [12 favorites]
"You know, Fury, I know I've said some things that have upset you, but I just want you to know that I've learned my lesson and I'm proud to be fighting alongside a colored."
"...What the fuck did you just say?"
"Oh! Sorry. A colored person."
posted by FAMOUS MONSTER at 7:05 AM on July 19, 2011 [12 favorites]
actually I am kind of on the fence about the Captain America movie but if literally the entire film is him in the modern day using well-meaning but offensively outdated terms for people who aren't white and getting yelled at and/or beaten up for it, that's five motherfucking stars right there
MAKE IT HAPPEN, MARVEL
posted by FAMOUS MONSTER at 7:13 AM on July 19, 2011 [3 favorites]
MAKE IT HAPPEN, MARVEL
posted by FAMOUS MONSTER at 7:13 AM on July 19, 2011 [3 favorites]
From iron spike , "And Cap would be all “Oh God did you people change another word while I was in that iceberg, the hell with this.” "
posted by The Whelk at 7:24 AM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by The Whelk at 7:24 AM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
I'm picturing Captain America and Austin Powers in some kind of unfrozen-hero encounter group being led by a clearly out-of-his-depth CIA psychiatrist.
posted by PlusDistance at 7:25 AM on July 19, 2011 [3 favorites]
posted by PlusDistance at 7:25 AM on July 19, 2011 [3 favorites]
I like the latest trailers, but I'm on the fence too after the summer's superhero movies so far. Liked Thor, disappointed by First Class, passed on Green Lantern.
If they take the Mark Millar Ultimates route with Avengers, I won't be surprised if Cap's old-time sensibilities come up.
On a side note, did anyone read GQ's profile of Chris Evans that reads like a fucking dating blog? Journalism.
posted by mean cheez at 7:26 AM on July 19, 2011
If they take the Mark Millar Ultimates route with Avengers, I won't be surprised if Cap's old-time sensibilities come up.
On a side note, did anyone read GQ's profile of Chris Evans that reads like a fucking dating blog? Journalism.
posted by mean cheez at 7:26 AM on July 19, 2011
Aw, man, I am a huge Banzai fan, but that poster could be a bit cooler. I mean, that RoboCop? Wow.
posted by adamdschneider at 7:30 AM on July 19, 2011
posted by adamdschneider at 7:30 AM on July 19, 2011
Who is Olly Moss?
Thanks for that link! Great profile.
posted by mean cheez at 7:33 AM on July 19, 2011
Thanks for that link! Great profile.
posted by mean cheez at 7:33 AM on July 19, 2011
Big ol red "image not found" X.
posted by stormpooper at 7:36 AM on July 19, 2011
posted by stormpooper at 7:36 AM on July 19, 2011
I love the Olly Moss ones; I think he did a great job capturing the design idiom of the period.
Both design idioms, too.
posted by Skeptic at 7:38 AM on July 19, 2011
Both design idioms, too.
posted by Skeptic at 7:38 AM on July 19, 2011
Not terribly interested in Captain America the movie, seems like a cheesy concept overlaid with nifty effects. Much more interesting would be trying to a create a modern day Captain America, not one born when America thought so highly of intself.
You know you want to see Cap beating the crap out of Wall Street executives, busting up secret torture sites, fighting for migrant workers and delivering Gitmo prisoners to America soil for a trial, while encouraging the youth of today to stop eating so much fast food. Surely something similar to this has been explored in the comics, right?
Either than or the reverse, where Cap is defending Wall Street, championing torture, rounding up illegals and transporting them to Gitmo as domestic economic terrorists.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:41 AM on July 19, 2011 [2 favorites]
You know you want to see Cap beating the crap out of Wall Street executives, busting up secret torture sites, fighting for migrant workers and delivering Gitmo prisoners to America soil for a trial, while encouraging the youth of today to stop eating so much fast food. Surely something similar to this has been explored in the comics, right?
Either than or the reverse, where Cap is defending Wall Street, championing torture, rounding up illegals and transporting them to Gitmo as domestic economic terrorists.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:41 AM on July 19, 2011 [2 favorites]
Superman used to beat up war profiteers....
Not so much anymore.
posted by The Whelk at 7:44 AM on July 19, 2011 [4 favorites]
Not so much anymore.
posted by The Whelk at 7:44 AM on July 19, 2011 [4 favorites]
Or have Cap fighting for gay marriage and against DADT. That would blow some minds.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:47 AM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:47 AM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
Either than or the reverse, where Cap is defending Wall Street, championing torture, rounding up illegals and transporting them to Gitmo as domestic economic terrorists.
That would be The Comedian.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:51 AM on July 19, 2011 [7 favorites]
That would be The Comedian.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:51 AM on July 19, 2011 [7 favorites]
FWIW, Cap's response with gay couples in the comics portion of the Marvel Universe seems to be fairly positive.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:52 AM on July 19, 2011
posted by zombieflanders at 7:52 AM on July 19, 2011
Ok, have to up the ante then. Cap needs acknowledge his bisexuality.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:00 AM on July 19, 2011
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:00 AM on July 19, 2011
I'm sort of curious how they're going to translate Captain America into the modern day with the movie - or is it just straight-up origin story?
posted by codacorolla at 8:15 AM on July 19, 2011
posted by codacorolla at 8:15 AM on July 19, 2011
So do I have this straight: the new Captain America movie is set in the 40's, but next year's Avengers movie is set in present-day and features Captain America?
posted by smackfu at 8:16 AM on July 19, 2011
posted by smackfu at 8:16 AM on July 19, 2011
Not to get off-topic too much, but mainstream Captain America seems fairly liberal, particularly by today's Tea Party standard, which makes sense since he's a man from the Progessive Era/New Deal era of governing. He's opposed to registration (read: restrictive immigration/tracking Muslims and malcontents), he opposes the military-industrial complex (in the personage of Tony Stark and Iron Man), he's likely to stand up for oppressed minorities, he's nonchalant about same-sex relationships, and he's willing to defy elected officials and law enforcement who want to curtail his rights. Ultimate Cap definitely fits the mold of being a man out of his time.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:18 AM on July 19, 2011 [6 favorites]
posted by zombieflanders at 8:18 AM on July 19, 2011 [6 favorites]
So do I have this straight: the new Captain America movie is set in the 40's, but next year's Avengers movie is set in present-day and features Captain America?
I'm no expert on this (never a big fan of the Avengers, and Cap. in particular) but I think that the secret operation that gives him super powers also gives him increased longevity that allows him to age much slower, and survive in a block of ice, or something? Not sure how they'll play it in the movie.
posted by codacorolla at 8:18 AM on July 19, 2011
I'm no expert on this (never a big fan of the Avengers, and Cap. in particular) but I think that the secret operation that gives him super powers also gives him increased longevity that allows him to age much slower, and survive in a block of ice, or something? Not sure how they'll play it in the movie.
posted by codacorolla at 8:18 AM on July 19, 2011
I'm sort of curious how they're going to translate Captain America into the modern day with the movie - or is it just straight-up origin story?
Origin story.
So do I have this straight: the new Captain America movie is set in the 40's, but next year's Avengers movie is set in present-day and features Captain America?
Yes.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:19 AM on July 19, 2011
Origin story.
So do I have this straight: the new Captain America movie is set in the 40's, but next year's Avengers movie is set in present-day and features Captain America?
Yes.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:19 AM on July 19, 2011
BTW, Chris Evans answered a question that states how he's going to play Cap in the Avengers movie, although it's pretty light on details:
"It's really multifaceted. The guy has to accept the fact that everyone he knew and loved is gone. Not only is he alone, [but] the world has changed so much, and I think a big part of what makes Cap Cap was his connection to the way things used to be, this kind of pro-American morality and good-ol'-boy sense of life and the way of doing things. In the modern era, there's a bit of a disconnect. There's not as much human interaction. I think there's more cynicism than there was back then, so it's him trying to come to terms with the way things are."
posted by zombieflanders at 8:21 AM on July 19, 2011 [2 favorites]
"It's really multifaceted. The guy has to accept the fact that everyone he knew and loved is gone. Not only is he alone, [but] the world has changed so much, and I think a big part of what makes Cap Cap was his connection to the way things used to be, this kind of pro-American morality and good-ol'-boy sense of life and the way of doing things. In the modern era, there's a bit of a disconnect. There's not as much human interaction. I think there's more cynicism than there was back then, so it's him trying to come to terms with the way things are."
posted by zombieflanders at 8:21 AM on July 19, 2011 [2 favorites]
So do I have this straight: the new Captain America movie is set in the 40's, but next year's Avengers movie is set in present-day and features Captain America?
See also, from the Marvel universe: Nick Fury and His Howlin' Commandos --> Nick Fury, Agent of Shield. And old Nick did the time-warp without the magic hypo injection juice. And, is a much more entertaining character, imho.
posted by Thorzdad at 8:40 AM on July 19, 2011
See also, from the Marvel universe: Nick Fury and His Howlin' Commandos --> Nick Fury, Agent of Shield. And old Nick did the time-warp without the magic hypo injection juice. And, is a much more entertaining character, imho.
posted by Thorzdad at 8:40 AM on July 19, 2011
he's a man from the Progessive Era/New Deal era
Precisely. I have high expectations from this movie. 1) The Silvestri score is basic but fits the movie and also hearkens back to the prior generation comic book movie soundtracks. 2) Johnston did a great job with the Rocketeer. 3) The trailers so far show the origin story with heavy emphasis on why Steve Rogers is Captain America, and a lot of it does have much to do with what zombieflanders noted: he's a man of the FDR era of America.
posted by linux at 8:43 AM on July 19, 2011
Precisely. I have high expectations from this movie. 1) The Silvestri score is basic but fits the movie and also hearkens back to the prior generation comic book movie soundtracks. 2) Johnston did a great job with the Rocketeer. 3) The trailers so far show the origin story with heavy emphasis on why Steve Rogers is Captain America, and a lot of it does have much to do with what zombieflanders noted: he's a man of the FDR era of America.
posted by linux at 8:43 AM on July 19, 2011
So do I have this straight: the new Captain America movie is set in the 40's, but next year's Avengers movie is set in present-day and features Captain America?
He is frozen for decades, as we have already seen onscreen for a split second.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 8:48 AM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
He is frozen for decades, as we have already seen onscreen for a split second.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 8:48 AM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
2) Johnston did a great job with the Rocketeer.
I hadn't done my research—that makes this way more exciting. My dad used to love The Rocketeer. We ran the VHS into the ground.
posted by mean cheez at 8:56 AM on July 19, 2011
I hadn't done my research—that makes this way more exciting. My dad used to love The Rocketeer. We ran the VHS into the ground.
posted by mean cheez at 8:56 AM on July 19, 2011
He is frozen for decades
I still thought the 1990 Captain America movie wasn't all that bad (c'mon, Ned Beatty AND Ronny Cox), and is quite faithful to depictions of Steve Rogers and his origin story transition to modern day (rocket, frozen, etc.).
posted by linux at 9:00 AM on July 19, 2011
I still thought the 1990 Captain America movie wasn't all that bad (c'mon, Ned Beatty AND Ronny Cox), and is quite faithful to depictions of Steve Rogers and his origin story transition to modern day (rocket, frozen, etc.).
posted by linux at 9:00 AM on July 19, 2011
I've said it before but if Cap survives the to the modern era he needs to be all kinds of racist.
His best friend is black (wait, that doesn't help).
Second try: he considers the Red Skull his worst enemy in part because the Red Skull is a racist, which goes against everything Cap stands for.
Third try: Captain America stands for the America that ought to be. His ideals are defined loosely enough that most readers can see their own ideals in him, but they are recognizably American. He does not think that America has ever been perfect, but takes inspiration from American history. For "self-evident that all men are created equal," against "three fifths of all other Persons."
Dave Cambell called him a Truman Democrat, which seems about right.
Cap believes in small government that stays out of private lives, a strong national defense, and pulling oneself up by one’s boot straps or shoelaces or whatever is handy. However, Cap is opposed to legislating morality and believes that government has a responsibility to help out the less fortunate and defenseless.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 9:14 AM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
His best friend is black (wait, that doesn't help).
Second try: he considers the Red Skull his worst enemy in part because the Red Skull is a racist, which goes against everything Cap stands for.
Third try: Captain America stands for the America that ought to be. His ideals are defined loosely enough that most readers can see their own ideals in him, but they are recognizably American. He does not think that America has ever been perfect, but takes inspiration from American history. For "self-evident that all men are created equal," against "three fifths of all other Persons."
Dave Cambell called him a Truman Democrat, which seems about right.
Cap believes in small government that stays out of private lives, a strong national defense, and pulling oneself up by one’s boot straps or shoelaces or whatever is handy. However, Cap is opposed to legislating morality and believes that government has a responsibility to help out the less fortunate and defenseless.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 9:14 AM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
3) The trailers so far show the origin story with heavy emphasis on why Steve Rogers is Captain America, and a lot of it does have much to do with what zombieflanders noted: he's a man of the FDR era of America.
I've never considered it before (like I mentioned before, not a huge fan of Avengers) but it's interesting to think of Cap as the public sector super hero: designed by public funds, for public use as a relic of a more progressive era, and Iron Man as the private sector super hero: designed by a corporation, and a relic of a more privatized era.
posted by codacorolla at 9:19 AM on July 19, 2011 [8 favorites]
I've never considered it before (like I mentioned before, not a huge fan of Avengers) but it's interesting to think of Cap as the public sector super hero: designed by public funds, for public use as a relic of a more progressive era, and Iron Man as the private sector super hero: designed by a corporation, and a relic of a more privatized era.
posted by codacorolla at 9:19 AM on July 19, 2011 [8 favorites]
Tyler Stout's posters are nothing to look at on the interwebs, but my god they're pretty in person.
The lines and production are immaculate, and it's all far more engaging on an oversized print when your eye can process each character as an individual entity instead of as part of a miniature jumble.
The issue with Stout's stuff is that he's making, essentially, elaborate hand-drawn movie posters. And that's awesome for sophisticated dorm rooms and professional man caves, but the geekiness isn't tempered with enough perspective to make them easy to hang in most other grown-up rooms.
What's cool about what folks like Jay Ryan, Dan McCarthy and Olly Moss are doing, is that there's more than just process informing the work. Whether built into their unique vision or couched in some other iconic aesthetic, pieces like that are more interesting even when they're being super geeky. To be a total snob: the imagery can be savored instead of simply chugged for the kick. In designing the posters as if they're not intended to reside solely in a movie theater, they're also more fitting on display in places that aren't movie theaters.
So, yeah, I'll take that away from Tyler Stout's work, but he's a true craftsman and his stuff is pretty damn impressive to see in person.
posted by pokermonk at 11:30 AM on July 19, 2011 [2 favorites]
The lines and production are immaculate, and it's all far more engaging on an oversized print when your eye can process each character as an individual entity instead of as part of a miniature jumble.
The issue with Stout's stuff is that he's making, essentially, elaborate hand-drawn movie posters. And that's awesome for sophisticated dorm rooms and professional man caves, but the geekiness isn't tempered with enough perspective to make them easy to hang in most other grown-up rooms.
What's cool about what folks like Jay Ryan, Dan McCarthy and Olly Moss are doing, is that there's more than just process informing the work. Whether built into their unique vision or couched in some other iconic aesthetic, pieces like that are more interesting even when they're being super geeky. To be a total snob: the imagery can be savored instead of simply chugged for the kick. In designing the posters as if they're not intended to reside solely in a movie theater, they're also more fitting on display in places that aren't movie theaters.
So, yeah, I'll take that away from Tyler Stout's work, but he's a true craftsman and his stuff is pretty damn impressive to see in person.
posted by pokermonk at 11:30 AM on July 19, 2011 [2 favorites]
linux: "2) Johnston did a great job with the Rocketeer."
Yep. Johnston has been hit or miss, but The Rocketeer was a distinct hit, and I think he's a perfect fit for Captain America. I'm pretty excited about it.
posted by brundlefly at 1:21 PM on July 19, 2011
Yep. Johnston has been hit or miss, but The Rocketeer was a distinct hit, and I think he's a perfect fit for Captain America. I'm pretty excited about it.
posted by brundlefly at 1:21 PM on July 19, 2011
It's good to hear Chris Evans acknowledging the complexity of the character. I've been skeptical if he has the chops to pull off the Rip Van Winkle aspects of modern-day Cap. Especially since a key part of his character is supposed to be his ability to carry that WW2 / New Deal patriotic idealism into the present and find ways of making it relevant and inspiring to the people around him. He's supposed to be the sort of guy you think is going to be naive and hokey until you actually meet him. That's much harder to pull off than just idealism disillusioned or laughed at by the more cynical characters.
As for the clash of Cap's 40's attitudes with modern racial and sexual mores, let's just say I'm really looking forward to Joss Whedon directing scenes with that character, Samuel Jackson, and Robert Downey Jr. all in the same room.
posted by straight at 1:58 PM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
As for the clash of Cap's 40's attitudes with modern racial and sexual mores, let's just say I'm really looking forward to Joss Whedon directing scenes with that character, Samuel Jackson, and Robert Downey Jr. all in the same room.
posted by straight at 1:58 PM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
The politics of Captain America: From Jon Stewart's rally to Tea Party gatherings, people don the superhero's costume. Whose side would he be on?
posted by homunculus at 9:08 PM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by homunculus at 9:08 PM on July 19, 2011 [1 favorite]
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