So you can sell M-16 parts on EBay
November 6, 2001 4:33 PM Subscribe
So you can sell M-16 parts on EBay but you cant sell glass "water pipes," or kittens? that second amendment is mighty strong.
Gun Toting, Crack Smoking Kitten Buys M16 on EBay!!
Film at 11.
posted by Kafkaesque at 4:58 PM on November 6, 2001
Film at 11.
posted by Kafkaesque at 4:58 PM on November 6, 2001
...but the moment someone publishes plans to turn an automatic weapon into a first-rate bong, watch the ban come into effect!
posted by clevershark at 5:23 PM on November 6, 2001
posted by clevershark at 5:23 PM on November 6, 2001
Hey Skallas, cool idea. I wonder what else you can build by shopping on Ebay?
posted by cell divide at 5:32 PM on November 6, 2001
posted by cell divide at 5:32 PM on November 6, 2001
You will NOT be able to build a gun from eBay under any circumstances. The receiver for a long gun or the frame for a handgun require transfer papers and a background check to be shipped and eBay forbids the sale of such items through their site. In this case, you would not be able to purchase a "lower" for the gun rendering any other parts you purchase unusable. Likewise, ammunition sales are prohibited also according to their site. I purchased several complete weapons through eBay before they banned such sales which are now handled by sites such as AuctionArms and Guns America and they are very strict about the items sold now - commie bastards!
...but the moment someone publishes plans to turn an automatic weapon into a first-rate bong, watch the ban come into effect!
Incorrect, one can PUBLISH the plans without any retribution because publishing them is protected by the First Amendment. Actually BUILDING and USING a "bong" is illegal.
Automatic weapons are not illegal if one is licensed to own them, purchases a BATF approved receiver AND has the BATF issue paperwork approving the construction of the weapon. This is not an easy or inexpensive thing to do by any means and there have been almost no instinces of LEGALLY owned automatic weapons being used in criminal activities. On the other hand, a "bong" is an illegal peice of drug paraphernalia (of course if you call it a "water pipe" it is a legal smoking accessory) which is used for an illegal activity.
I found the magazine for the gun. If this thread goes on long enough we should be able to find every piece and literally buy a gun from ebay.
Hmm, this *is* interesting though! The ad says that the magazine is "listed as a 10-rounder" which conforms to eBay's rules but it is pictured laying next to a tape measure showing it to be around 8 inches long - which is the size of a 30-round magazine. I do not approve!
posted by RevGreg at 6:12 PM on November 6, 2001
...but the moment someone publishes plans to turn an automatic weapon into a first-rate bong, watch the ban come into effect!
Incorrect, one can PUBLISH the plans without any retribution because publishing them is protected by the First Amendment. Actually BUILDING and USING a "bong" is illegal.
Automatic weapons are not illegal if one is licensed to own them, purchases a BATF approved receiver AND has the BATF issue paperwork approving the construction of the weapon. This is not an easy or inexpensive thing to do by any means and there have been almost no instinces of LEGALLY owned automatic weapons being used in criminal activities. On the other hand, a "bong" is an illegal peice of drug paraphernalia (of course if you call it a "water pipe" it is a legal smoking accessory) which is used for an illegal activity.
I found the magazine for the gun. If this thread goes on long enough we should be able to find every piece and literally buy a gun from ebay.
Hmm, this *is* interesting though! The ad says that the magazine is "listed as a 10-rounder" which conforms to eBay's rules but it is pictured laying next to a tape measure showing it to be around 8 inches long - which is the size of a 30-round magazine. I do not approve!
posted by RevGreg at 6:12 PM on November 6, 2001
got my "Water pipe" in one hand and a Glock 30 in the other.
posted by BlitzK at 6:28 PM on November 6, 2001
posted by BlitzK at 6:28 PM on November 6, 2001
(rusty sound, shuffle of paper, typewriter clack...) "rotting corpse...rotting corpse, sorry me lord, no corpses for the trebuchet". my fav 'e-pay' was one matt found about, er, hair from the butt. true about the old auto-gats.one can hold if one is licensed.HKMP-5, .50. barretti..something .50 sniper rifle. yeah, stop a Dodge at 900 yards. can buy auto-switch-kits at gun shows. (cackle of smallarms fire. ahhhh beruit...)
posted by clavdivs at 6:28 PM on November 6, 2001
posted by clavdivs at 6:28 PM on November 6, 2001
Still no body parts on Ebay...must continue grave robbing. Igor!
posted by hellinskira at 6:37 PM on November 6, 2001
posted by hellinskira at 6:37 PM on November 6, 2001
to quote Cypress Hill: "Sawed off shotgun, hand on the pump/ left hand on a forty, puffin' on a blunt."
posted by panopticon at 7:55 PM on November 6, 2001
posted by panopticon at 7:55 PM on November 6, 2001
Actually BUILDING and USING a "bong" is illegal.
I dont think so, you can get them on-line and at any head shop.
I know it sounds silly but if it is referred to at all as a "bong" during the transaction the sale is considered a violation of paraphernalia laws - if referred to as a "water pipe" you skirt the law by using a generic term and not a "drug related" term. I know a store owner who has been on probation for 8 years because one of his temp holiday workers handed an undercover cop a water pipe after the cop asked to see "that bong." They then cleared his store of ALL "drug related items" which, once the store has been nailed for paraphernalia, covers a WIDE range of items (tie-dyed t-shirts, any item with a "drug related logo or design", blacklight posters, lava and other novelty lamps, lighters, etc.) He lost over a hundred thousand dollars worth of merchandise because of the word "bong" and had a hell of a time rebuilding his business around other items since he now has record and cannot even stock "questionable" items.
Remember, it's a water pipe. Anything else and they can take you down if they have a mind to do so.
posted by RevGreg at 1:50 AM on November 7, 2001
I dont think so, you can get them on-line and at any head shop.
I know it sounds silly but if it is referred to at all as a "bong" during the transaction the sale is considered a violation of paraphernalia laws - if referred to as a "water pipe" you skirt the law by using a generic term and not a "drug related" term. I know a store owner who has been on probation for 8 years because one of his temp holiday workers handed an undercover cop a water pipe after the cop asked to see "that bong." They then cleared his store of ALL "drug related items" which, once the store has been nailed for paraphernalia, covers a WIDE range of items (tie-dyed t-shirts, any item with a "drug related logo or design", blacklight posters, lava and other novelty lamps, lighters, etc.) He lost over a hundred thousand dollars worth of merchandise because of the word "bong" and had a hell of a time rebuilding his business around other items since he now has record and cannot even stock "questionable" items.
Remember, it's a water pipe. Anything else and they can take you down if they have a mind to do so.
posted by RevGreg at 1:50 AM on November 7, 2001
true about the old auto-gats.one can hold if one is licensed.HKMP-5, .50. barretti..something .50 sniper rifle. yeah, stop a Dodge at 900 yards.
The rifle manufacturer you were fishing for is "Barratt" and their .50's are beautiful weapons - although my right shoulder is not terribly fond of them! Pretty impracticle as a crime weapon if you have any understanding of the difficulty behind a "900 yard shot." Why not just go to a private auctionand pick up a drop weapon? Heck, I picked up a 1903 Springfield rifle for $45 at an auction and walked away without a bit of paperwork registering it in my name - which is perfectly legal. Those rifles were used as sniper rifles clear up through the Vietnam War and armor piercing ammo is readily available for them. At 200 yards it would just as effective as a Barrett at 900 yards, the skill level to make the shot is minimal and you've spent under $100 rather than $5000.
can buy auto-switch-kits at gun shows.
And ownership of the kit and a weapon without the proper licensing is illegal even if you never install it or even if you have no intention of installing it. Also, many of these so called "full auto kits" are highly dangerous because the weapons they are being put into were not designed to withstand full-auto fire which places much more sustained stress on the parts than semi-auto fire. Many of these kits or instructions likewise render the gun as a timebomb since the proper interlocking mechanisms are bypassed allowing the firing pin to activate before the bolt is fully closed causing the receiver to explode. Only morons would use these items and they generally get what they deserve.
posted by RevGreg at 2:16 AM on November 7, 2001
The rifle manufacturer you were fishing for is "Barratt" and their .50's are beautiful weapons - although my right shoulder is not terribly fond of them! Pretty impracticle as a crime weapon if you have any understanding of the difficulty behind a "900 yard shot." Why not just go to a private auctionand pick up a drop weapon? Heck, I picked up a 1903 Springfield rifle for $45 at an auction and walked away without a bit of paperwork registering it in my name - which is perfectly legal. Those rifles were used as sniper rifles clear up through the Vietnam War and armor piercing ammo is readily available for them. At 200 yards it would just as effective as a Barrett at 900 yards, the skill level to make the shot is minimal and you've spent under $100 rather than $5000.
can buy auto-switch-kits at gun shows.
And ownership of the kit and a weapon without the proper licensing is illegal even if you never install it or even if you have no intention of installing it. Also, many of these so called "full auto kits" are highly dangerous because the weapons they are being put into were not designed to withstand full-auto fire which places much more sustained stress on the parts than semi-auto fire. Many of these kits or instructions likewise render the gun as a timebomb since the proper interlocking mechanisms are bypassed allowing the firing pin to activate before the bolt is fully closed causing the receiver to explode. Only morons would use these items and they generally get what they deserve.
posted by RevGreg at 2:16 AM on November 7, 2001
barretm82a1. yeah, the local gun store has some nice old nagents, 59$. nice deal on the Springfield. the barret at 900 yards was sort of a joke. Im not sure the Springfield would go through an engine block at 200 yards. Im a mini AK or M-4 or the mini-16 kinda guy. we use the russian deal for a drop. Crime weapon? ohh. well id use a rubbed down winchester. or a nice ruger for a throw-away.
posted by clavdivs at 7:36 AM on November 7, 2001
posted by clavdivs at 7:36 AM on November 7, 2001
skallas, I remember reading a story about some guy who would sell fully automatic banned weapons via American Rifleman (or similar mag). The trick was that he was selling a "kit". So you would get your gun shipped in parts.
He got fucked by ATF on some related charge eventually. But his idea was sound at the time he was doing it. I don't know if you can still do that now.
posted by Witold at 8:28 AM on November 7, 2001
He got fucked by ATF on some related charge eventually. But his idea was sound at the time he was doing it. I don't know if you can still do that now.
posted by Witold at 8:28 AM on November 7, 2001
They had some special going on at Purple East, and they made sure to refer to "tobacco pipes," I believe. Yeah, riiight...
posted by dagnyscott at 8:33 AM on November 7, 2001
posted by dagnyscott at 8:33 AM on November 7, 2001
mini AK or M-4 or the mini-16
Well, it's no secret what I like to shoot!
posted by RevGreg at 1:30 PM on November 7, 2001
Well, it's no secret what I like to shoot!
posted by RevGreg at 1:30 PM on November 7, 2001
what is that. a SKS mini?. My favorite was the handicap sign in front of the shooting table. my buddy would scrub a Mannlicher-Carcano for that Kalisnakov. MeFi target practice. Revgregs place.
posted by clavdivs at 2:49 PM on November 7, 2001
posted by clavdivs at 2:49 PM on November 7, 2001
what is that. a SKS mini?
The wooden stocked rifle is an SKS Model D (also known as a Model 84 or a Sporter.) They were made by Norinco and disposed of the integral 10-round box magazine in favor of AK removable magazines. Most of them come with thumbhole style stocks, mine came with a Monte Carlo stock. It's been slightly modified by adding a AK-74 style muzzlebreak (only legal because it was done pre-ban) and a steel ventilated handguard with a shell deflector - and it also has a rear peepsight in place of the original.
The other rifle is a MAK-90, also made by Norinco, with a Dragunov style stock. Most of the mods on the gun are internal like a stainless steel gas piston and hardened bolt, a nice trigger job and enough parts have been replaced with US made stuff to make it legal to mount a muzzle break which I have but have not installed yet.
I own quite a few others but that was the selection for the day!
posted by RevGreg at 5:00 PM on November 7, 2001
The wooden stocked rifle is an SKS Model D (also known as a Model 84 or a Sporter.) They were made by Norinco and disposed of the integral 10-round box magazine in favor of AK removable magazines. Most of them come with thumbhole style stocks, mine came with a Monte Carlo stock. It's been slightly modified by adding a AK-74 style muzzlebreak (only legal because it was done pre-ban) and a steel ventilated handguard with a shell deflector - and it also has a rear peepsight in place of the original.
The other rifle is a MAK-90, also made by Norinco, with a Dragunov style stock. Most of the mods on the gun are internal like a stainless steel gas piston and hardened bolt, a nice trigger job and enough parts have been replaced with US made stuff to make it legal to mount a muzzle break which I have but have not installed yet.
I own quite a few others but that was the selection for the day!
posted by RevGreg at 5:00 PM on November 7, 2001
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