In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.which has fuck all to do with this murder's supposed right to my eyeballs and an ability to make me morally complicit in his murders. If he had any desire to stand and face his accusers he could put down the fucking guns and stand trial for murdering that young couple, but no, his goal in murdering two innocent people was to make it rain tinfoil in conversations just like this one, make the hearts of strangers bleed for his struggles that were so much more important to him than their lives, and be a hero to those whose self satisfied struggle against 'the man' would justify anything; what I find so sad is that he seems to be succeeding.
Dorner also says he backed a fellow cadet in the police academy when other recruits sang Hitler youth songs and taunted the manWhat exactly is this Hitlerjugend Muzik the cadets know in the LA Police Academy?
Geraldo hasn't made too big a fool of himself lately.Well, he has announced that he intends to run for the Senate.
John Miller, a senior correspondent for CBS News and a former LAPD bureau chief said he has been speaking with his former colleagues who have "an anxiety factor that is unbelievable."There's one line in Dorner's "manifesto" that has police especially worried about their own skins: "I will mitigate all risks, threats and hazards. I assure you that Incident Command Posts will be target rich environments."posted by Room 641-A at 2:36 PM on February 10
Miller said: "There will be the Grammys Sunday in Los Angeles, where you will have a major police command post. I've spoken with people there and their problems are very interesting. One problem is, can they get enough cops to police the Grammys, when they have had everyone out deployed on this?"
Perdue was on his way to catch some waves on Thursday morning before he went to work, when police pulled him over to ask him a few questions about who he was and where he was headed. (It's not clear from the story whether these were LAPD officers or officers from the Torrance Police Department). They let him go, and then "seconds later" a Torrance police cruiser rammed into his truck and opened fired on him.posted by Room 641-A at 4:05 PM on February 10 [5 favorites]
Sun. Feb 10, 16:05 PST [20]posted by salvia at 4:45 PM on February 10
LAPD Scanner reporting they are blocking off Lowe's parking lot [on Devonshire?] where report of suspect matching description has been made. Officers on radio do not sound confident it is him but are treating the incident as if it is for safety - switching networks to TAC Channel
Sun. Feb 10, 16:12 PST [21]
LAPD Scanner stated they have reports Dorner is using a white Dodge Charger Wagon - this is part of the discussion overheard before switch on item 20
Sun. Feb 10, 16:19 PST [22]
Devonshire confusion in 20-21 was the Devonshire Division control being called, seems this is the Lowe's
Sun. Feb 10, 16:37 PST [23]
Twitter post @lascanner big police presence and airship at Lowe's in Northridge. What's the haps? seems to confirm location in 22
The idea of redemptive, even purifying violence has a long pedigree in Western life. At the end of his long journey, Homer's Ulysses returns to find his home defiled and reacts by concocting a situation in which he can slaughter those responsible. Shakespeare's Titus first kills his own sexually assaulted daughter and then tricks his nemesis Tamora into literally consuming her own children. And as Samuel Goldman notes, the major revolutionary terrorists and insurgents of the Cold War all stressed the purifying nature of violence as a means to self-actualization. The vulgar American derivation of this already ignoble narrative tradition can be found in the explosion of revenge-driven antiheroes, particularly those that seek to punish a system that they hold collectively responsible for their individual plight. There are both pro and anti-authority versions of this parable--Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry as the penultimate example of conservative reaction expressed through purifying violence and Alan Moore's V for Vendetta as a more explicitly anarchistic perspective. These tales all command wide audiences and fanbases.posted by the man of twists and turns at 11:24 AM on February 11 [1 favorite]
Public records show that a family member of J.Y. owns residential property in Arrow Bear, California. Inspector Andrew Haggarty of the USMS informed me that at approximately 12:45 PM, today, he and members of the San Bernadino County Sheriff's Office, conducting surveillance on the property, found a vehicle nearby matching the one in which the suspect in the Corona shooting had been seen: a grey 2005 Nissan Titan. The vehicle was burning. USMS Inspector Dave Diliberti has told me that at approximately 12:25 P.M. saw J.Y. in Costa Mesa, California.That they found the burning truck while surveilling J.Y.'s associates was a new one to me. This does suggest that Dorner knew the truck was radioactive and torched it because he had a ride waiting.
Dorner went to Sports Chalet in Torrance -- a beachside community in the L.A. area -- on February 1st. The video shows Dorner carrying in 2 small, yellow scuba tanks as he walks into the scuba section. Sources tell us ... Dorner got the tanks refilled with oxygen.posted by Room 641-A at 6:05 PM on February 11
I don't see how you could read either as personally motivated.One of his stated reasons for doing all of this is "to reclaim my name".
unless you bomb them like it's WWII DresdenDon't give the LAPD any ideas.
SHERIFF'S WINNEBAGO IS ON THE SCENEThe police have themselves an RV.
Twist: Camera pans over SOTU audience and there's Dorner in a fake mustache.Found in the cabin: Ted Nugent.
There was a report of a burglary and a stolen white Dodge pickup back up in Big Bear (Club View Drive, near the police HQ set up to find Dorner, ironically enough), the car thief matching Dorner's description, and then a search for the pickup, which was spotted 20-30 miles down Hwy 38 at the intersection of Hwy 38 and Glass Road by a game warden, which led to a brief chase that ended on Seven Oaks Road with a gun fight and the car thief barricaded in a cabin.Two sheriffs were shot in the gunfight; one died, the other is in surgery. A reporter managed to get audio of that gunfight.
Of course they killed the guy intentionally. They tried to kill three people already who were driving the same truck and had done nothing threatening.They weren't the same truck. They were different makes and colors.
[Updated at 3:43 a.m. ET Wednesday] The San Bernardino Sheriff's Office said early Wednesday morning that investigators have located charred human remains in the debris of the burned-out cabin where law-enforcement officers exchanged gunfire with a suspect believed to be Dorner.posted by mannequito at 1:56 AM on February 13 [2 favorites]
The sheriff's office said the body has not been identified, and that identification will be attempted through forensic means.
[Updated at 12:33 a.m. ET Wednesday] New details about the suspect's encounter and shootout with game wardens before the shootout with sheriff's deputies at the cabin: Game wardens saw the suspect in two vehicles Tuesday.
California Department of Fish and Wildlife Lt. Patrick Foy says two game wardens first chased the suspect as he was driving a purple Nissan in the San Bernardino National Forest. The wardens, in a patrol truck, had been told to look out for the Nissan, and they saw it driving in the opposite direction behind two buses.
Foy says the wardens did a U-turn and tried to follow the Nissan, but they lost him. Authorities now believe the suspect passed the buses and turned onto a different road, called Glass Road.
Later, three different wardens in two vehicles were driving on Glass Road and saw a white pickup truck traveling erratically toward them. One of the wardens believed he saw Dorner driving the truck.
The truck's driver fired a gun at one of the wardens' vehicles, Foy said. A warden got out and returned fire as the suspect drove away.
Foy said no warden was injured. He said he didn't know whether the suspect was shot.
Authorities say they believe the suspect ditched the second vehicle and entered a cabin, where he eventually exchanged gunfire Tuesday afternoon with San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies, killing one and wounding another.
Hours later, according to police, a SWAT team stormed the cabin, which caught fire after police detonated smoke devices inside the structure, a law enforcement source told CNN.
The San Bernadino County Sheriff's Department says it believes a body is in the cabin, but investigators have yet to examine the cabin because it was still smoldering.
An investigator working the case said that a wallet and identification cards belonging to Dorner were recovered last week at the San Ysidro Port of Entry, according to a federal complaint filed Thursday in Santa Ana.posted by Room 641-A at 7:58 AM on February 13 [11 favorites]
That contradicts with what authorities said on Thursday, when it was reported that a shuttle bus driver turned over Dorner’s wallet, LAPD police badge and photo ID to San Diego police after a passer-by found them near Lindbergh Field.
San Diego Police Chief Bill Lansdowne said Tuesday that the items were found in the middle of Pacific Highway and Laurel Street.
The urge to make myth, to try and redeem humans who commit immoral acts under the flag of moral causes, is understandable. It's understandable in those who look at Jesse James and see not the straight white supremacist, but the scourge of greedy bankers and acquisitive industrialists against whom, it seemed, none could stand. And it's more understandable among a people disproportionately brutalized by the police who look at Christopher Dorner, and see not a murderer but a plague on a police force that is, itself, above the law.posted by the man of twists and turns at 9:37 AM on February 14 [3 favorites]
Now that the search for Christopher Dorner appears to have concluded, we are addressing the issue of the $1 million reward. More than 20 jurisdictions and entities are involved in this reward, so all of them will be coming together to collectively determine whether any individual or individuals qualify for it. Our personal hope is that the reward will be distributed, but we must follow the rules and respect for the procedures of each entity.posted by Room 641-A at 6:46 AM on February 15
But some residents, despite being so close to the gunfire, said they understand the officers’ actions.posted by audi alteram partem at 9:42 AM on February 22 [1 favorite]
"I think they have to be supported through this," said Joanne Arnn. "Yes, it's unfortunate, thank goodness no one here was fatally injured, but it's not a very safe world."
Arnn said that Torrance Police Department contacted each household on the block to learn if anyone was injuries and offered to pay for any damage to their homes.
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