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January 20, 2018 10:29 AM Subscribe
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Weren't the alt-right/neoreactionaries getting deeply into v a p o r w a v e / æ s t h e t i c s a while ago? I wonder if there'd be any overlap (as there must be between, say, ultramontane Catholics and proto-fascist intellectuals who talk about esoteric historical cycles and natural hierarchies and such)
posted by acb at 11:06 AM on January 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by acb at 11:06 AM on January 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
This is terrific. Is there a Tradwave mix of a Latin mass I can listen to?
posted by Nelson at 11:14 AM on January 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Nelson at 11:14 AM on January 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
Weren't the alt-right/neoreactionaries getting deeply into v a p o r w a v e / æ s t h e t i c s a while ago?
abjure abjure abjure
posted by Going To Maine at 11:21 AM on January 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
abjure abjure abjure
posted by Going To Maine at 11:21 AM on January 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
You know it's an astroturfed no-hope movement when there's not dozens of tumblrs with misspelled phrases from Latin mass, the Catechism, etc. This Doubting Thomas wants to see links to paschal_mysterv.tumblr.com and cogltatone-verbo-et-0pere.tumblr.com before I'll accept this as a Thing.
posted by infinitewindow at 11:30 AM on January 20, 2018 [10 favorites]
posted by infinitewindow at 11:30 AM on January 20, 2018 [10 favorites]
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
posted by limeonaire at 12:01 PM on January 20, 2018 [5 favorites]
posted by limeonaire at 12:01 PM on January 20, 2018 [5 favorites]
This Doubting Thomas wants to see links to paschal_mysterv.tumblr.com and cogltatone-verbo-et-0pere.tumblr.com before I'll accept this as a Thing.
If this is one person just doing a thing because they want to idle away their time, I'll be delighted.
posted by Going To Maine at 12:18 PM on January 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
If this is one person just doing a thing because they want to idle away their time, I'll be delighted.
posted by Going To Maine at 12:18 PM on January 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
This is awesome!
posted by charred husk at 12:54 PM on January 20, 2018
posted by charred husk at 12:54 PM on January 20, 2018
Filing this under “things I’m too old to understand.”
My, that folder’s bulging.
posted by edheil at 1:19 PM on January 20, 2018 [8 favorites]
My, that folder’s bulging.
posted by edheil at 1:19 PM on January 20, 2018 [8 favorites]
a e s t h e t i c a et P H I L O S O P H I Aposted by limeonaire at 1:38 PM on January 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
Weren't the alt-right/neoreactionaries getting deeply into v a p o r w a v e / æ s t h e t i c s a while ago?
If so this would be the first I've heard anything like that. vaporwave has a some crossover with witch house and modern internet trap sounds, which would be in conflict with just about everything alt-right, but what the hell do I know anymore?
posted by loquacious at 1:42 PM on January 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
If so this would be the first I've heard anything like that. vaporwave has a some crossover with witch house and modern internet trap sounds, which would be in conflict with just about everything alt-right, but what the hell do I know anymore?
posted by loquacious at 1:42 PM on January 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
catholicism has survived by appropriation since, what...Paul?
what's impressive is the longevity of the strategy
posted by eustatic at 2:56 PM on January 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
what's impressive is the longevity of the strategy
posted by eustatic at 2:56 PM on January 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
nah vaporwave is deffo alt right land. it is weird bc it is also highly degenerate in a way that seems at odds w fascist aesthetics but w/e
posted by nixon's meatloaf at 3:37 PM on January 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by nixon's meatloaf at 3:37 PM on January 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
I haven’t seen any more intersection of vaporwave with far-right stuff any more than I would expect from a typical present-day music genre/aesthetic just as a casual observer. However, “tradcath” sets off every single white supremacist alarm in my head. I’ve been dogpiled once by that crowd in Twitter. Whatever incoherent philosophy undergirds it is a thing to behold. Kind of like neoreactionary, but with the Catholic Church as the dictator? It’s real bad.
Taking a quick look at the Tumblr and Twitter accounts here I don’t see anything immediately objectionable but I’d be suuuper wary of the community around it.
posted by reluctant early bird at 5:54 PM on January 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
Taking a quick look at the Tumblr and Twitter accounts here I don’t see anything immediately objectionable but I’d be suuuper wary of the community around it.
posted by reluctant early bird at 5:54 PM on January 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
I would guess there is no community around it and it's just someone who thought this would be interesting/ironic.
posted by limeonaire at 5:56 PM on January 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by limeonaire at 5:56 PM on January 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
Those are some dank catholic memes
posted by vorpal bunny at 8:19 PM on January 20, 2018
posted by vorpal bunny at 8:19 PM on January 20, 2018
Eh, I have been an enjoyer of vaporwave for some time as a communist, but agree there is recent appropriation. I suspect it's that fascist populists are also wary of the hegemony of internationalist consumerism. But, you know, different.
posted by relooreloo at 8:19 PM on January 20, 2018
posted by relooreloo at 8:19 PM on January 20, 2018
You know who else appropriated the aesthetics of Communism, don't you?
posted by acb at 6:01 AM on January 21, 2018
posted by acb at 6:01 AM on January 21, 2018
I spent some more time with these images again this morning. I don't think there's any religious irony intended here, they all look like sincere expressions of Catholic faith and iconography. There's the irony of the vaporwave ӕsthetic itself, sure, but that's just the medium used. And there is a lot of Catholic iconography here, very detailed, someone who clearly knows it well. It looks to me like they treat it all with love.
My favorites are this Tower of Babel, the Four Evangelists, and the various images of the Virgen de Guadalupe, particularly this one.
posted by Nelson at 8:00 AM on January 21, 2018
My favorites are this Tower of Babel, the Four Evangelists, and the various images of the Virgen de Guadalupe, particularly this one.
posted by Nelson at 8:00 AM on January 21, 2018
To be clear, I don’t intend to impugn the content or its creator, which, near as I can tell and as Nelson says, is genuine appreciation of religious iconography remixed into a modern ａｅｓｔｈｅｔｉｃ, and I do enjoy the results. It’s just that, especially given the name, it has the risk of attracting the attention of and developing a following from a deeply unsavory crowd, one that I have some experience with. Enjoy the posts, be careful in the replies.
posted by reluctant early bird at 12:47 PM on January 21, 2018
posted by reluctant early bird at 12:47 PM on January 21, 2018
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In other words it is completely my jam thank you
posted by potrzebie at 10:38 AM on January 20, 2018 [5 favorites]