Hockey in the desert
April 11, 2018 2:11 PM Subscribe
“It used to be that everybody wanted out,” Watkins says. “But the city has changed a lot in a 30-year time period, to where I don’t hear that now from people. I wanted this team because I wanted my daughters, who I’m raising here, to have something to be proud of.” He looks around the restaurant. It’s filled with businessmen and women from the surrounding office park, a normal set of buildings that you could easily mistake for Scottsdale or Houston if it weren’t for the huge pyramid, ferris wheel, and fake Eiffel Tower looming in the distance as you get onto the highway. “T-Mobile is this little part of the Strip that’s ours, that’s for locals,” Watkins says. “Every other part of the Strip is for them. It’s made for them and for tourism. That part is made for us.” The Golden Knights are for Las Vegas, and Las Vegas only
Nobody, not even William Karlsson, expected William Karlsson to score 43 goals this year. An amazing season for sure.
posted by ghharr at 2:25 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by ghharr at 2:25 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
Huh, so there is more than one organization called the Golden Knights.
posted by exogenous at 2:27 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by exogenous at 2:27 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
I was very sure that the value proposition for the Golden Knights was going to be that fans from other places would come watch their teams play in Vegas and then spend some bucks in the casinos. I'm surprised it's turning out to be a thing for locals, but it's neat that people there are liking it so much.
posted by jacquilynne at 2:28 PM on April 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
posted by jacquilynne at 2:28 PM on April 11, 2018 [6 favorites]
Ryan Reaves getting the cup would give me glitter and unicorns, but also break my bracket. Miss you, bae.
posted by fluttering hellfire at 2:45 PM on April 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by fluttering hellfire at 2:45 PM on April 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
exogenous: "Huh, so there is more than one organization called the Golden Knights."
Yep, and the Army sued over the name.
posted by Chrysostom at 2:54 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
Yep, and the Army sued over the name.
posted by Chrysostom at 2:54 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
Not just the name, but their trade dress - Vegas uses West Point's colors, which isn't surprising as the owner is an alumnus.
posted by NoxAeternum at 3:01 PM on April 11, 2018
posted by NoxAeternum at 3:01 PM on April 11, 2018
I don't follow hockey all that much anymore, but the Golden Knights have been a pleasant surprise from afar this season - and I'm really glad that the local community seems to have made the team their own.
In other hockey news, the playoff simulation has been done by EA18 and it gives the Cup to the Jets
posted by nubs at 3:06 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
In other hockey news, the playoff simulation has been done by EA18 and it gives the Cup to the Jets
posted by nubs at 3:06 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
Vegas is unlikely to win the Cup, but Nashville has a good shot. Too bad they got the Presidents Trophy -- that's often the kiss of death for Cup hopefuls. (Vancouver, twice!)
posted by CCBC at 4:09 PM on April 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by CCBC at 4:09 PM on April 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
Years ago I went to an exhibition game of the LA Kings and the Colorado Avalanche in Vegas. It was a lot of fun, and surprisingly full for a pre-season game. While a lot of those folks were LA fans, I suspect some of them were locals. Glad to see that the team has good support, they've been fun to watch all year.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 4:21 PM on April 11, 2018
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 4:21 PM on April 11, 2018
It's ridiculous that they're being pitched in this article like huge underdogs when they got to pick players out of every team. Sure, they didn't get the superstars, but they have a more competent deep bench than any team has a right to because they didn't have to make hard decisions about who to keep and who to trade. Or try to bring up players that looked like future bets.
Also, the stupid American excess that is always on display in Vegas leads to ludicrous crap like this.
I know predators are the betting favorite, but it seems pretty obvious to me that they're going to win the cup. And I can't say I'm happy about it.
posted by lumpenprole at 4:23 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
Also, the stupid American excess that is always on display in Vegas leads to ludicrous crap like this.
I know predators are the betting favorite, but it seems pretty obvious to me that they're going to win the cup. And I can't say I'm happy about it.
posted by lumpenprole at 4:23 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
A hockey team in a desert realistically doesn't take substantially more resources than a hockey team in any place that isn't a desert. It's not golf, they don't play outside. The ability to make ice inside a closed building isn't particularly dependent on vast water supplies or on the outside temperature. Yes, outside temperatures will have some effect on the heating and cooling needs of an arena, but so does stuffing 20K people in it, and that's pretty much the same no matter where you put the arena.
I found estimates that suggest a hockey arena requires about 350K gallons of water per year, which sounds like a lot, until you realize that estimates suggest golf courses use amounts that are more in the range of tens of millions of gallons of water per year. And a lot fewer people get a chance to play a round on a golf course in a year than get to watch a hockey game in an NHL arena (though, obviously, not fewer than get to *play* a hockey game in an NHL arena).
posted by jacquilynne at 4:23 PM on April 11, 2018 [4 favorites]
I found estimates that suggest a hockey arena requires about 350K gallons of water per year, which sounds like a lot, until you realize that estimates suggest golf courses use amounts that are more in the range of tens of millions of gallons of water per year. And a lot fewer people get a chance to play a round on a golf course in a year than get to watch a hockey game in an NHL arena (though, obviously, not fewer than get to *play* a hockey game in an NHL arena).
posted by jacquilynne at 4:23 PM on April 11, 2018 [4 favorites]
lumpenprole, they got to pick at very best the 10th best player and more often the 12th best player, and that was only if the team did not have any young players as anyone with two or less years professional experience was automatically exempt. Not to mention they cut deals with a number of teams to pick even lower than that in exchange for future draft picks. A few prognosticators thought they *might* scrabble for a bubble playoff spot, some thought they would at least manage to not be last, but the overwhelming opinion was that they would be terrible. Absolutely no one saw them winning their division or being in serious contention for the President's Cup.
They most certainly were underdogs.
posted by tavella at 4:33 PM on April 11, 2018 [12 favorites]
They most certainly were underdogs.
posted by tavella at 4:33 PM on April 11, 2018 [12 favorites]
Vegas paid attention and didn’t make the same mistakes Phoenix did with their NHL team. The Golden Knights being embraced by the locals doesn’t surprise me for a myriad of reasons. But T-Mobile is right in the middle of things with good transportation available. The Coyotes, on the other hand, play in an arena that is on the far west outskirts of the metro area. It is a long long drive for area residents to get out to where they are in Glendale. The light rail doesn’t run out there. The long term survival of the team in the Phoenix metro area is in doubt; most people think they’re going to move. Arena plans closer to the areas where more fans live keep getting turned down. (They used to play downtown but they just had to go to the sparkling new arena in Glendale... and this deal has been an albatross for the city.) There’s a template on how NOT to do hockey in the desert and the Golden Knights have paid attention.
posted by azpenguin at 4:37 PM on April 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
posted by azpenguin at 4:37 PM on April 11, 2018 [5 favorites]
It's a good location, and even if the team has some bad years in the future, odds are they'll still have decent attendance because it's always going to be an attractive deal for fans of other teams to combine a trip to Vegas with a hockey game.
In general, the lessons seem to be: expansion teams in the salary cap era are going to be hella different, McPhee has excellent scouts, Gallant is a very good coach, and a lot of other NHL GMs and coaches are maybe not so smart. Just how bad probably won't be able to be judged until the end of next season to see how many of the career years are from players who were never given a proper opportunity and how many were flukes. But giving away a 30 goal scorer to get a team to take a perhaps modestly overpaid 40-50 point player's contract is never going to look good at this point, oh Florida.
posted by tavella at 4:46 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
In general, the lessons seem to be: expansion teams in the salary cap era are going to be hella different, McPhee has excellent scouts, Gallant is a very good coach, and a lot of other NHL GMs and coaches are maybe not so smart. Just how bad probably won't be able to be judged until the end of next season to see how many of the career years are from players who were never given a proper opportunity and how many were flukes. But giving away a 30 goal scorer to get a team to take a perhaps modestly overpaid 40-50 point player's contract is never going to look good at this point, oh Florida.
posted by tavella at 4:46 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
If I'm doing my math correctly, the Golden Knights would be down at the bottom of the attendance rankings - down with the Florida Panthers, Carolina Hurricanes, Phoenix Coyotes, and New York Islanders - if it weren't for the out-of-towners.
posted by clawsoon at 4:52 PM on April 11, 2018
posted by clawsoon at 4:52 PM on April 11, 2018
I’ve watched two VGK games live this year - once in Vegas and once in DC. The team is fun to watch since they are both fast and super motivated, and they have gotten unbelievably good performances from players people thought were OK but not great enough to protect in the draft.
The love for the team that fans in Vegas showed just warmed my hockey-loving heart. Nobody thought they would do as well as they have, and I - for one - couldn’t be happier.
posted by gemmy at 4:52 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
The love for the team that fans in Vegas showed just warmed my hockey-loving heart. Nobody thought they would do as well as they have, and I - for one - couldn’t be happier.
posted by gemmy at 4:52 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
they have a more competent deep bench than any team has a right to because they didn't have to make hard decisions about who to keep and who to trade. Or try to bring up players that looked like future bets.
They lucked out of it by having great success right out of the gate and because the Florida Panthers decided that they just had to get rid 2/3 of their top forward line, but they pretty much spent the first month of the season with all sorts of hard decisions about who to keep and who to trade and a complicated set of problems getting playing time for their young players. They were dragging around 2-3 extra terrible defensemen in the hopes that someone would trade for them and eventually gave up on the idea, but it certainly limited the team's flexibility early on. They buried Shea Theodore, who's 22 and a potential star, in the minors because of the roster shenanigans, and also had to very quickly cut bait on Vadim Shipachyov, who they brought over from Russia before the expansion draft even happened and spent a lot of time early on marketing as one of the faces of the franchise. He only played 3 games for the Knights before returning to the Russian league feeling like he was lied to about the role he was going to play.
posted by Copronymus at 5:13 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
They lucked out of it by having great success right out of the gate and because the Florida Panthers decided that they just had to get rid 2/3 of their top forward line, but they pretty much spent the first month of the season with all sorts of hard decisions about who to keep and who to trade and a complicated set of problems getting playing time for their young players. They were dragging around 2-3 extra terrible defensemen in the hopes that someone would trade for them and eventually gave up on the idea, but it certainly limited the team's flexibility early on. They buried Shea Theodore, who's 22 and a potential star, in the minors because of the roster shenanigans, and also had to very quickly cut bait on Vadim Shipachyov, who they brought over from Russia before the expansion draft even happened and spent a lot of time early on marketing as one of the faces of the franchise. He only played 3 games for the Knights before returning to the Russian league feeling like he was lied to about the role he was going to play.
posted by Copronymus at 5:13 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
As a former resident of Las Vegas, "could be mistaken for Scottsdale" is not a credible compliment.
posted by seraphine at 5:23 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by seraphine at 5:23 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
If I'm doing my math correctly, the Golden Knights would be down at the bottom of the attendance rankings - down with the Florida Panthers, Carolina Hurricanes, Phoenix Coyotes, and New York Islanders - if it weren't for the out-of-towners.
Their attendance has been standing room only all season, so I don't think you can really say that -- it's not that out-of-towners are filling up empty space, it's that Las Vegas residents have to compete with out-of-towners for the seats. I have a couple of acquaintances in Vegas that were really looking forward to seeing a lot of hockey this year via picking up cheap tickets for their sure to be terrible team. Not so much.
posted by tavella at 5:39 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
Their attendance has been standing room only all season, so I don't think you can really say that -- it's not that out-of-towners are filling up empty space, it's that Las Vegas residents have to compete with out-of-towners for the seats. I have a couple of acquaintances in Vegas that were really looking forward to seeing a lot of hockey this year via picking up cheap tickets for their sure to be terrible team. Not so much.
posted by tavella at 5:39 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
ESPN's NHL attendance figures for 2017-2018. The Golden Knights are 4th overall in home attendance at 103.9 per cent of capacity (i.e. selling standing room only tickets in addition to all seats) for the entire season. They are 4th overall in road attendance, i.e. people want to see them in other home arenas.
They are a success for any measure of a first year team.
posted by blob at 6:39 PM on April 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
They are a success for any measure of a first year team.
posted by blob at 6:39 PM on April 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
lumpenprole: "It's ridiculous that they're being pitched in this article like huge underdogs when they got to pick players out of every team. Sure, they didn't get the superstars, but they have a more competent deep bench than any team has a right to because they didn't have to make hard decisions about who to keep and who to trade. Or try to bring up players that looked like future bets."
They *were* huge underdogs. They’re the first expansion team in the the Big Four North American sports since 1960 to have a winning record in their first season, let alone go to the playoffs.
posted by Chrysostom at 7:06 PM on April 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
They *were* huge underdogs. They’re the first expansion team in the the Big Four North American sports since 1960 to have a winning record in their first season, let alone go to the playoffs.
posted by Chrysostom at 7:06 PM on April 11, 2018 [3 favorites]
Allez Bellemare!
posted by cmfletcher at 7:09 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by cmfletcher at 7:09 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
Still mad that they tool Fleury.
posted by octothorpe at 7:11 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by octothorpe at 7:11 PM on April 11, 2018 [2 favorites]
Missed the edit window. Meant "took".
posted by octothorpe at 7:23 PM on April 11, 2018
posted by octothorpe at 7:23 PM on April 11, 2018
Pittsburgh didn't want him, so he was going to wind up somewhere else regardless.
1-0 Knights in the 1st.
posted by nubs at 7:26 PM on April 11, 2018
1-0 Knights in the 1st.
posted by nubs at 7:26 PM on April 11, 2018
WHAT
Of course Pittsburgh wanted Fleury! We just couldn't keep him :(
posted by Meow Face at 8:48 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
Of course Pittsburgh wanted Fleury! We just couldn't keep him :(
posted by Meow Face at 8:48 PM on April 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
psssst
Knights win first ever playoff game, 1-0
posted by Meow Face at 12:01 AM on April 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
Knights win first ever playoff game, 1-0
posted by Meow Face at 12:01 AM on April 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
Yep, and the Army sued over the name.
It looks like the trademark oppositions 1 and 2 (for the two trademarks with and without LAS in front of VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS) are both suspended for settlement negotiations.
posted by exogenous at 3:51 AM on April 12, 2018
It looks like the trademark oppositions 1 and 2 (for the two trademarks with and without LAS in front of VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS) are both suspended for settlement negotiations.
posted by exogenous at 3:51 AM on April 12, 2018
…the *fuck* was that ‘Medieval Times vs. Prince’s Batdance video’ game intro last night?
posted by ersatzkat at 4:26 AM on April 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by ersatzkat at 4:26 AM on April 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
Pittsburgh didn't want him, so he was going to wind up somewhere else regardless.
The Penguins' management might not have wanted him but Pittsburgh sure still did.
posted by octothorpe at 4:44 AM on April 12, 2018
The Penguins' management might not have wanted him but Pittsburgh sure still did.
posted by octothorpe at 4:44 AM on April 12, 2018
The Penguins' management might not have wanted him but Pittsburgh sure still did.
We were lucky enough to have tickets to Fleury's first game back in Pittsburgh. The ovation went on so long that the refs actually just dropped the puck to start the game, or else we'd probably still be standing there clapping. Hell yeah we still wanted him.
posted by librarianamy at 5:01 AM on April 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
We were lucky enough to have tickets to Fleury's first game back in Pittsburgh. The ovation went on so long that the refs actually just dropped the puck to start the game, or else we'd probably still be standing there clapping. Hell yeah we still wanted him.
posted by librarianamy at 5:01 AM on April 12, 2018 [3 favorites]
ESPN's NHL attendance figures for 2017-2018. The Golden Knights are 4th overall in home attendance at 103.9 per cent of capacity (i.e. selling standing room only tickets in addition to all seats) for the entire season.
You can see from that list that they also built a properly sized arena for their crowd/population, which is another smart move. It seems to be built to hold around 17,500 vs the top end closer to 20k, and if/when the crowd thins out, 2000 empty seats vs 5000 makes a real difference in energy.
posted by The_Vegetables at 7:01 AM on April 12, 2018
You can see from that list that they also built a properly sized arena for their crowd/population, which is another smart move. It seems to be built to hold around 17,500 vs the top end closer to 20k, and if/when the crowd thins out, 2000 empty seats vs 5000 makes a real difference in energy.
posted by The_Vegetables at 7:01 AM on April 12, 2018
The knights are a great story, hands down the underdog story of the year
I wonder if part of the home-town fan success is that Las Vegas doesn't have any other professional teams (at the highest level, for now), so it makes this team easy for local sports fans to gather around/support ? And will the relocation of the Raiders to Vegas change that ?
posted by k5.user at 7:14 AM on April 12, 2018
I wonder if part of the home-town fan success is that Las Vegas doesn't have any other professional teams (at the highest level, for now), so it makes this team easy for local sports fans to gather around/support ? And will the relocation of the Raiders to Vegas change that ?
posted by k5.user at 7:14 AM on April 12, 2018
I recently and unexpectedly became interested in fictional Las Vegas hockey thanks to Kent Parson and the nonexistent Aces, so I have a weird sort of soft spot for this team for an extremely dumb reason.
Also, this: "The Knights were cobbled together from players whose previous teams didn’t deem important enough to protect during the expansion draft" is basically my favorite narrative trope of all time-- there's a reason "The Replacements" is the sports movie I watch more than any other.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 7:44 AM on April 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
Also, this: "The Knights were cobbled together from players whose previous teams didn’t deem important enough to protect during the expansion draft" is basically my favorite narrative trope of all time-- there's a reason "The Replacements" is the sports movie I watch more than any other.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 7:44 AM on April 12, 2018 [1 favorite]
I think there's a difference between cast-offs and scabs. The Replacements is about strikebreakers.
posted by Chrysostom at 8:34 AM on April 12, 2018
posted by Chrysostom at 8:34 AM on April 12, 2018
…the *fuck* was that ‘Medieval Times vs. Prince’s Batdance video’ game intro last night?
Vegas, baby!
posted by tavella at 9:39 AM on April 12, 2018
Vegas, baby!
posted by tavella at 9:39 AM on April 12, 2018
The Penguins' management might not have wanted him but Pittsburgh sure still did.
Yes, sorry, should have clarified that I meant that the organization no longer felt they needed Fleury around; I wasn't speaking about the fans.
posted by nubs at 1:40 PM on April 12, 2018
Yes, sorry, should have clarified that I meant that the organization no longer felt they needed Fleury around; I wasn't speaking about the fans.
posted by nubs at 1:40 PM on April 12, 2018
Fleury has a reputation for choking in the playoffs. (Perhaps carrying the can for poor defense, but it was Murray who was more reliable.) We'll see. (Of course Subban can always step in.)
posted by CCBC at 6:27 PM on April 12, 2018
posted by CCBC at 6:27 PM on April 12, 2018
I think Pens mgmt had the situation where they basically had two #1 goalies, which didn't make sense. And MAF was older, and has been a bit injury prone. He's a good guy, but Murray was clearly the way to go long term.
posted by Chrysostom at 7:11 PM on April 12, 2018
posted by Chrysostom at 7:11 PM on April 12, 2018
Fleury had his playoff issues post first cup, but he's been good to superb in the playoffs from 2014 on, with the exception of the one meh game he started in 2016, coming in cold from weeks of injury. It was the inability to score when needed that killed the Penguins those years, before they got Kessel and a better coach. Hell, in 2013 Fleury got pulled... and the Pens scored exactly 2 goals in the entire ECF series.
But Murray is also very good with the potential to be great, and you are always going to go with the guy who is a decade younger in that situation. Plus he was Sullivan's guy from his time coaching the Penguins' AHL team. It was still brutal in the way sports are brutal, though -- Fleury had won two series for Pittsburgh when they were otherwise playing inconsistently, had two shutouts in the previous three games, and was pulled after one poor game, never to play for the Penguins again. And it seemed likely he was never going to see the playoffs again, having subsequently been sent to an expansion team that everyone expected to be dreadful.
So it's been a nice surprise if you like the guy (and I do.)
posted by tavella at 10:21 AM on April 13, 2018 [3 favorites]
But Murray is also very good with the potential to be great, and you are always going to go with the guy who is a decade younger in that situation. Plus he was Sullivan's guy from his time coaching the Penguins' AHL team. It was still brutal in the way sports are brutal, though -- Fleury had won two series for Pittsburgh when they were otherwise playing inconsistently, had two shutouts in the previous three games, and was pulled after one poor game, never to play for the Penguins again. And it seemed likely he was never going to see the playoffs again, having subsequently been sent to an expansion team that everyone expected to be dreadful.
So it's been a nice surprise if you like the guy (and I do.)
posted by tavella at 10:21 AM on April 13, 2018 [3 favorites]
The opening promo for the playoffs is just so Vegas in the best way.
posted by NoxAeternum at 2:25 PM on April 13, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by NoxAeternum at 2:25 PM on April 13, 2018 [1 favorite]
The opening promo for the playoffs is just so Vegas in the best way.
omg it IS, thank you for sharing that here. I desperately want to see the whole thing, mostly so I can understand why they cut to a galaxy for a split second at 5:22.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 4:52 PM on April 13, 2018
omg it IS, thank you for sharing that here. I desperately want to see the whole thing, mostly so I can understand why they cut to a galaxy for a split second at 5:22.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 4:52 PM on April 13, 2018
That was the person recording it accidentally going to desktop/screen saver I think.
posted by tavella at 5:15 PM on April 13, 2018
posted by tavella at 5:15 PM on April 13, 2018
Also, there was this haters gonna hate bit as well.
posted by NoxAeternum at 11:04 PM on April 13, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by NoxAeternum at 11:04 PM on April 13, 2018 [1 favorite]
Amazing opening! As Bobby Hull once said, "It's all show business." And this was an awesome show!
Also, an awesome game. Quick was excellent, but he couldn't do it by himself. I was very meh about Vegas in the beginning, but now I'm becoming a fan.
posted by CCBC at 3:40 AM on April 14, 2018
Also, an awesome game. Quick was excellent, but he couldn't do it by himself. I was very meh about Vegas in the beginning, but now I'm becoming a fan.
posted by CCBC at 3:40 AM on April 14, 2018
Knights swept the Kings in the first round.
posted by Chrysostom at 11:12 PM on April 17, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Chrysostom at 11:12 PM on April 17, 2018 [2 favorites]
And the Knights start the second round by hanging a touchdown on the Sharks. Ouch.
posted by NoxAeternum at 9:49 PM on April 26, 2018
posted by NoxAeternum at 9:49 PM on April 26, 2018
One of my favorite things about tonight's game was Vegas having Daft Punk as drummers at the start of the game.
Wow, the Knights absolutely would not stop this evening. They were relentless and I loved it.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 9:58 PM on April 26, 2018
Wow, the Knights absolutely would not stop this evening. They were relentless and I loved it.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 9:58 PM on April 26, 2018
Man! I hope you're right about those drummers being Daft Punk (who were only two guys as I recall) because I've re-transmitted that factish-toid to other folks. I was really disappointed in SportsNet, though. I got a pizza, a full flagon, sat down to watch the opening goodness, and damned SN gave me car commercials! Here's the video I got from YouTube later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-NmbpN-MDQ
posted by CCBC at 3:14 AM on April 27, 2018
posted by CCBC at 3:14 AM on April 27, 2018
Okay, I knew they were going to lose when they opened with Apocalypse Now. Why break with a winning formula? They jinxed themselves. (Or the owners did.) Please go back to Lord of the Rings or whatever it was.
posted by CCBC at 11:21 PM on April 28, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by CCBC at 11:21 PM on April 28, 2018 [1 favorite]
Well, apparently the Sharks opening wasn't a problem for jinxing them!
posted by tavella at 7:46 PM on May 1, 2018
posted by tavella at 7:46 PM on May 1, 2018
So here's the NHL final four:
Winnipeg Jets vs. Las Vegas Golden Knights
Washington Capitals vs. Tampa Bay Lightning
Looking forward to the west final; the east doesn't grab me yet.
posted by nubs at 8:33 AM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
Winnipeg Jets vs. Las Vegas Golden Knights
Washington Capitals vs. Tampa Bay Lightning
Looking forward to the west final; the east doesn't grab me yet.
posted by nubs at 8:33 AM on May 11, 2018 [1 favorite]
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Their existence also let my Buffalo Sabres become the first NHL team to ever finish in 31st place.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:15 PM on April 11, 2018 [9 favorites]