“It smashes things real good.”
December 19, 2018 6:04 PM Subscribe
Hellboy (2019) [YouTube][Official Trailer] “The first trailer for Neil Marshall’s Hellboy reboot is here and it’s probably nothing like what you’d expect from the movie, but trust that it’s exactly what you need. Interestingly, this Hellboy film borrows elements from creator Mike Mignola’s Darkness Calls, The Wild Hunt, and The Storm and the Fury series and introduces us to a somewhat petulant Hellboy (David Harbour) working alongside his still-living father Trevor Bruttenholm (Ian McShane) at the Bureau of Paranormal Research and Development.” [via: io9]
It's incredibly strange that the creators of the film made such a noise about the movie having a different tone to the Del Toro films, then this trailer comes out, and... it looks very similar? Except with Milla "This is a B Movie Folks" Jovovich instead of incredible Del Toro creations.
I don't know what to make of that.
posted by selfnoise at 6:14 PM on December 19, 2018 [12 favorites]
I don't know what to make of that.
posted by selfnoise at 6:14 PM on December 19, 2018 [12 favorites]
Perhaps this is an example of a studio doing kind of a doctored trailer because they don't have confidence in the film? That music choice was absolutely the last thing I expected after the posters and everything else.
posted by selfnoise at 6:15 PM on December 19, 2018
posted by selfnoise at 6:15 PM on December 19, 2018
Yeah it looks pretty similar to me as well. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's not exactly a mind blowing reboot
posted by Think_Long at 6:16 PM on December 19, 2018
posted by Think_Long at 6:16 PM on December 19, 2018
It's interesting, I read that at a recent panel they were emphasizing how this is all about the monsters and demons. And while there's much of that in the trailer, the music does certain paint a different tone.
posted by Fizz at 6:19 PM on December 19, 2018
posted by Fizz at 6:19 PM on December 19, 2018
The jokes in the trailer were lousy, but whatever. It still looks like it could be fun. It could just be the accents but I got a vague Crazyhead feeling off it, and I miss Crazyhead. Also, big monsters. It isn't going to be a del Toro film but we did get two of those and they're still very good.
posted by dumbland at 6:21 PM on December 19, 2018
posted by dumbland at 6:21 PM on December 19, 2018
I clicked the link without reading what it was and while watching I honestly thought it was one of those trailer remixes (I've never seen Hellboy).
"Hellboy remixed as a stupid late 80s comedy!"
I am absolutely stunned this is a real film coming out in 2019 and feel bad for Ian McShane.
posted by dobbs at 6:22 PM on December 19, 2018 [11 favorites]
"Hellboy remixed as a stupid late 80s comedy!"
I am absolutely stunned this is a real film coming out in 2019 and feel bad for Ian McShane.
posted by dobbs at 6:22 PM on December 19, 2018 [11 favorites]
It looks nothing like Del Toro's Hellboy. I didn't see one creature created using practical effects. Hellboy shoots nameless human henchmen and their heads explode? Perlman's Hellboy didn't like to murder people unless they were Nazis, and he's a more interesting character because of it. A major arc of the Hellboy character is him resisting his inevitble transformation into a weapon of death and genocide. Blowing away humans all day trivializes that struggle. Head shot splody is a Deadpool cash-grab. I wasn't really expecting much from this, and certainly not after the amazing fantasy universe Del Toro created in Hellboy 2. This looks like MCU/Deadpool humor, which is hard to embrace after being spoiled by Ron Perlman humor.
posted by Brocktoon at 6:27 PM on December 19, 2018 [28 favorites]
posted by Brocktoon at 6:27 PM on December 19, 2018 [28 favorites]
Remember when Josh Brolin got lit and they made that Jonah Hex movie? Yeah, I remember that too.
posted by valkane at 6:30 PM on December 19, 2018
posted by valkane at 6:30 PM on December 19, 2018
Previous Neil Marshall:
Dog Soldiers
The Descent
Doomsday
Centurion
Amongst his TV work are the "Blackwater" and "Watchers on the Wall" episodes of Game of Thrones.
posted by dumbland at 6:36 PM on December 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
Dog Soldiers
The Descent
Doomsday
Centurion
Amongst his TV work are the "Blackwater" and "Watchers on the Wall" episodes of Game of Thrones.
posted by dumbland at 6:36 PM on December 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
It looks like it's got terrible tone problems. It can't decide whether to be dark-and-cool or goofy, so it decides 'both!' and then repeatedly picks the wrong one for every scene. The comic alternates between and/or blends the two effortlessly. The comic also has an overarching story that they could have used, and a whole catalog of episodic stories they could have used. It's difficult to imagine how you could start out with source material that is ALREADY written so as to handle these problems perfectly, and end up with something that looks so hamfisted.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 6:37 PM on December 19, 2018 [5 favorites]
posted by Sing Or Swim at 6:37 PM on December 19, 2018 [5 favorites]
Wow, that looks awful.
posted by merriment at 6:38 PM on December 19, 2018 [7 favorites]
posted by merriment at 6:38 PM on December 19, 2018 [7 favorites]
Good lord Satan that was bad. Absolutely no timing; the editing was terrible. It looks like something BBC 3 threw together for a rainy Saturday afternoon.
posted by ...possums at 6:38 PM on December 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by ...possums at 6:38 PM on December 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
I'm willing to give it a shot, my love for Hellboy may be giving me blinders, but I really want this to be good.
posted by Fizz at 6:39 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by Fizz at 6:39 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
This looks like it'll be a good movie with a fuck awful trailer.
Also, I vaguely (and fondly?) recall watching Dog Soldiers on SciFi one Saturday afternoon, so this may not be terrible. But it will definitely be a good B movie.
posted by Slackermagee at 6:42 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
Also, I vaguely (and fondly?) recall watching Dog Soldiers on SciFi one Saturday afternoon, so this may not be terrible. But it will definitely be a good B movie.
posted by Slackermagee at 6:42 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
I’m already predisposed to hate this. But I thought, hey, stop being a pill about these incessantly cynical and insipid reboots and at least check out the trailer.
My instincts were once again proven correct.
posted by You Stay 'Ere An Make Sure 'E Doesn't Leave at 6:45 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
My instincts were once again proven correct.
posted by You Stay 'Ere An Make Sure 'E Doesn't Leave at 6:45 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
I will cut the trailer some slack, as o heard it was released early because it had been leaked.
posted by Brocktoon at 6:47 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Brocktoon at 6:47 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
My thought coming away from this is "What is it about Hellboy that makes Hollywood want to keep making the same movie?" There are plenty of other comic book characters ripe for the plunder. I'd be more interested in a Spawn reboot than a Hellboy reboot at this point. Or, I dunno, Youngblood, or The Maxx, or Gen 13, or some other forgotten 90s comic book. Why Hellboy again?
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 6:48 PM on December 19, 2018 [5 favorites]
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 6:48 PM on December 19, 2018 [5 favorites]
This looks like it'll be a good movie with a fuck awful trailer.
I like David Harbour, so I'm going to believe this is the case here until further evidence presents itself.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:49 PM on December 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
I like David Harbour, so I'm going to believe this is the case here until further evidence presents itself.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:49 PM on December 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
His face doesn’t seem to read if he’s more than 7 feet from the camera,
posted by bonobothegreat at 6:51 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by bonobothegreat at 6:51 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
It looks like he's wearing a bad Ron Perlman mask.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 7:00 PM on December 19, 2018 [21 favorites]
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 7:00 PM on December 19, 2018 [21 favorites]
Hey, remember when Suicide Squad retooled its advertising to have one-liners and pop music like Guardians and get some cheap buzz? Because whoever made this trailer remembered.
posted by knuckle tattoos at 7:10 PM on December 19, 2018 [16 favorites]
posted by knuckle tattoos at 7:10 PM on December 19, 2018 [16 favorites]
This trailer is what I sort of woke up to, and sad nerd ranged on Facebook about:
“It looks like they’re trying to do the Wild Hunt, Alice Monaghan and Grugach, and Nimue and the Storm storyline all right at the beginning of things. Those were, yes, a long thread that ran through the heart of Hellboy over the length of the comic, but it feels as if, say, the Thor movies started with Ragnarok. Just too much all at once, yet also missing Abe and Liz Sherman? Including Ben Daimio but either not leaving time for the Wendigo storyline, or possibly smashing it into an already overly full movie? I love the comics, and their utter willingness to present a world at its end, where the heroes are failing to save it. Just not sure that’s the tone you want to set for what’s supposed to be the first in a new series. I mean, shouldn’t you make this a world we’re invested in, and care that it continues before you start smashing it up? How will we have any emotional connection to the world ending if we’ve just been introduced to it. I mean, where do you go from here? Hellboy in Hell? I can, in no way imagine that would ever get made, though I know I’d be in the theater with a tub of popcorn and a Costco size box of tissues.
(Also, I love Ian McShane, but he’s entirely too... menacing? Capable? To be the professor. John Hurt was a perfect Bruttenholm, all worry and, well, ineffectual, who, by his introduction, has had his life effective used up and burnt out by the world he found himself in. Sure, he rose, sometimes, to the occasion, and did the best he could, but the comics were never shy about his shortcomings. McShane just seems overtly too robust for all of this. I can’t see McShane being tormented over years by Vavara, for instance)
(Also also, the actor playing Hellboy sounds like John Goodman. Uncomfortably so.)
Let’s just say if I enjoy the movie, I’ll be really surprised and excited. I miss Ron Perlman already.”
posted by Ghidorah at 7:11 PM on December 19, 2018 [7 favorites]
“It looks like they’re trying to do the Wild Hunt, Alice Monaghan and Grugach, and Nimue and the Storm storyline all right at the beginning of things. Those were, yes, a long thread that ran through the heart of Hellboy over the length of the comic, but it feels as if, say, the Thor movies started with Ragnarok. Just too much all at once, yet also missing Abe and Liz Sherman? Including Ben Daimio but either not leaving time for the Wendigo storyline, or possibly smashing it into an already overly full movie? I love the comics, and their utter willingness to present a world at its end, where the heroes are failing to save it. Just not sure that’s the tone you want to set for what’s supposed to be the first in a new series. I mean, shouldn’t you make this a world we’re invested in, and care that it continues before you start smashing it up? How will we have any emotional connection to the world ending if we’ve just been introduced to it. I mean, where do you go from here? Hellboy in Hell? I can, in no way imagine that would ever get made, though I know I’d be in the theater with a tub of popcorn and a Costco size box of tissues.
(Also, I love Ian McShane, but he’s entirely too... menacing? Capable? To be the professor. John Hurt was a perfect Bruttenholm, all worry and, well, ineffectual, who, by his introduction, has had his life effective used up and burnt out by the world he found himself in. Sure, he rose, sometimes, to the occasion, and did the best he could, but the comics were never shy about his shortcomings. McShane just seems overtly too robust for all of this. I can’t see McShane being tormented over years by Vavara, for instance)
(Also also, the actor playing Hellboy sounds like John Goodman. Uncomfortably so.)
Let’s just say if I enjoy the movie, I’ll be really surprised and excited. I miss Ron Perlman already.”
posted by Ghidorah at 7:11 PM on December 19, 2018 [7 favorites]
Ugh. I hope this trailer is, tonally, miles from the final product, because, yeesh, I thought this was a parody. The original two were visually so amazing. Strong echoes of Mignola's originals. This is, like, bad game cutscenes and attempts to be Marvel-clever on a second-tier SyFy budget. Wow. This turned me 180 on this project. I can't imagine how misguided the people behind this had to have been.
posted by the sobsister at 7:12 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by the sobsister at 7:12 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
I thought that casting David Harbour was inspired when I heard about it and I like his Hellboy in this but the the rest of the trailer is pretty bad.
posted by octothorpe at 7:13 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by octothorpe at 7:13 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Not to be a hater and all but Del Toros Hellboy is gorgeous and utter. Im not a comics person so yeah maybe its not canon but its a beautiful film and the story has a lot of heart. A remake seems pointless...
posted by supermedusa at 7:14 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by supermedusa at 7:14 PM on December 19, 2018 [3 favorites]
Mr. Encyclopedia, as far as a Maxx reboot, there’s really no need, if you can find the animated series aired on MTV of all places. It was basically the comic turned into a cartoon, and it used panels directly from the comics, had amazing voice work, and is unfortunately very hard to find. I sadly lost my copy in a hard drive crash. I would have loved to see that series continue into the incredibly somber end of the comic.
posted by Ghidorah at 7:14 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Ghidorah at 7:14 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Well, that was nothing like what I expected. Because I didn't pay much attention, but I thought the buzz was generally good. And I thought they must have a pretty good reason for a reboot instead of another sequel (I know, right!) and...
I'm old. I don't understand why such a high percentage of movies have to have the same one liner smirky tone. Every film doesn't have to emulate 2000's animated kids movies.
posted by bongo_x at 7:21 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
I'm old. I don't understand why such a high percentage of movies have to have the same one liner smirky tone. Every film doesn't have to emulate 2000's animated kids movies.
posted by bongo_x at 7:21 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
I love Ian McShane and think he should be in every film made from now until the time they can no longer prop him up and draw eyes on his eyelids, but still would have preferred not to see him associated with this one.
Also: the trailer seems to have a bad infection of that damned Teal ‘n’ Orange color virus that’s been going around.
posted by darkstar at 7:42 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Also: the trailer seems to have a bad infection of that damned Teal ‘n’ Orange color virus that’s been going around.
posted by darkstar at 7:42 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
I disliked this in ways I wasn't expecting to dislike it and I was going in expecting to dislike it for just existing, mostly.
Mostly, I wish David Harbour wasn't doing a poor man's Ron Perlman here. Yes, Perlman's Hellboy is iconic but it's not the only Hellboy. I just felt like so much of what we see of his performance here just reminds me that, oh, this is not Ron Perlman. The makeup is ... not great. (And the effects overall are not great.)
I like some of the aesthetics and the overall idea. The jokes don't completely land (the tone seems all over the place) but I sort of get they're going for a bit darker thing. And that's fine -- the comic has that range. It's both horrific and hilarious. But I think they had a hard time translating that here. Maybe it's just the trailer, but someone else pointed out that this seems to have some kind of Deadpool disease on it.
I guess I'm glad they didn't use Liz or Abe in this movie (that I know of?) but I also sort of missed them. If this is a full reboot, give me a new Liz and Abe in this too. Otherwise, it's just back to "well, it's Hellboy, but different!"
I love the Hellboy comic (who does not love the Hellboy comic?) and I 100% understand that Del Toro's Hellboy movies were their own thing & not the comic. But they seemed to respect the comic. I just ... I just don't know what this is doing. It looked different than I thought it would but it also just looks ... not great.
posted by darksong at 7:49 PM on December 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
Mostly, I wish David Harbour wasn't doing a poor man's Ron Perlman here. Yes, Perlman's Hellboy is iconic but it's not the only Hellboy. I just felt like so much of what we see of his performance here just reminds me that, oh, this is not Ron Perlman. The makeup is ... not great. (And the effects overall are not great.)
I like some of the aesthetics and the overall idea. The jokes don't completely land (the tone seems all over the place) but I sort of get they're going for a bit darker thing. And that's fine -- the comic has that range. It's both horrific and hilarious. But I think they had a hard time translating that here. Maybe it's just the trailer, but someone else pointed out that this seems to have some kind of Deadpool disease on it.
I guess I'm glad they didn't use Liz or Abe in this movie (that I know of?) but I also sort of missed them. If this is a full reboot, give me a new Liz and Abe in this too. Otherwise, it's just back to "well, it's Hellboy, but different!"
I love the Hellboy comic (who does not love the Hellboy comic?) and I 100% understand that Del Toro's Hellboy movies were their own thing & not the comic. But they seemed to respect the comic. I just ... I just don't know what this is doing. It looked different than I thought it would but it also just looks ... not great.
posted by darksong at 7:49 PM on December 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
The crown of fire was good and I like David Harbour, but I there's not much else to recommend it. Sorta surprised they didn't go with "Semi-Charmed Kind Of Life" as that really fit more of the vibe they were going for.
Echoing what other people have said, why reboot Hellboy in such a half-assed manner? There are so many other properties to throw money at—they were trying to folks interested in The Goon and that would be way better than a knife to the eye.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 8:03 PM on December 19, 2018
Echoing what other people have said, why reboot Hellboy in such a half-assed manner? There are so many other properties to throw money at—they were trying to folks interested in The Goon and that would be way better than a knife to the eye.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 8:03 PM on December 19, 2018
Well, Dog Soldiers and Doomsday were fun. Though I do remember being disappointed that Doomsday wasn't set slightly further south, as Escape from Old York would have been a catchier title.
posted by MarchHare at 8:06 PM on December 19, 2018
posted by MarchHare at 8:06 PM on December 19, 2018
Hey, remember when Suicide Squad retooled its advertising to have one-liners and pop music like Guardians and get some cheap buzz? Because whoever made this trailer remembered.
With that cranial blood splatter? Deadpool, surely.
posted by Apocryphon at 8:09 PM on December 19, 2018
With that cranial blood splatter? Deadpool, surely.
posted by Apocryphon at 8:09 PM on December 19, 2018
The thing about Guillermo del Toro's movies, at least the ones that I've seen--the Hellboys, Pacific Rim, The Shape of Water--is that he seems to actually move into them for a while and observe his fellow residents in their everyday lives. I didn't get that from the trailer to the Pacific Rim sequel, which is why I didn't see it, and I'm not getting it here; Harbour's make-up seems more masklike than Perlman's, and I'm not particularly interested in seeing yet another troupe of CGI critters put through their paces.
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:21 PM on December 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:21 PM on December 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
I liked it and I’m looking forward to it. I find Del Toro to be a little precious.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 8:45 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 8:45 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
I liked the first Hellboy movie quite a bit, mostly because it was a HELLBOY movie. The second one, Guillermo Del Toro fell in love with his own obsessive world-building, and Hellboy was reduced to a secondary character in his own damn story, like Batman in the Tim Burton movies. I had hopes a third movie would return to focusing on the namesake character. World-building is nice and all, but honestly, just give me Perlman, Doug Jones, and Selma Blair riffing on each other in between CGI setpieces and I'm a happy fan. Sadly, it was not to be.
This new thing? Based on the brief clips, I think David Harbour, Ian McShane and the rest are doing their best to elevate weak material, with uneven results. Milla Jovovich will probably have a good time camping it up as a villain. Overall, the production design, sets, costumes, and especially the Hellboy make-up-- everything looks and feels second-tier. I guess the word I'm looking for here is 'mediocre'.
I'll wait for it to show up on Netflix.
posted by KHAAAN! at 8:50 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
This new thing? Based on the brief clips, I think David Harbour, Ian McShane and the rest are doing their best to elevate weak material, with uneven results. Milla Jovovich will probably have a good time camping it up as a villain. Overall, the production design, sets, costumes, and especially the Hellboy make-up-- everything looks and feels second-tier. I guess the word I'm looking for here is 'mediocre'.
I'll wait for it to show up on Netflix.
posted by KHAAAN! at 8:50 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Neil Marshall is so good at schlocky action/horror (Doomsday was my favourite mad max movie until fury road came out). But nothing he's ever directed made me think he knows what to do with the concept of humour.
The weird thing about this project is that while Del Toro is clearly not involved, Mike Mignola is. He co-wrote the script, which is more involvement in a film than almost any comic creator has ever had. This isn't Bendis or Slott getting asked to come in for a day to chat with the writers of the next Spider-Man movie. Mignola looks to have some pretty significant creative control here.
It reminds a little of the pushback against the new Tick series. It might not be Your Tick, but it is definitely The Tick, because Ben Edlund is writing and producing the show.
Is this going to be good? I dunno. As good as it would have been if Del Toro was still involved? Probably not.
But this is still Mike Mignola's Hellboy.
posted by thecjm at 9:08 PM on December 19, 2018 [6 favorites]
The weird thing about this project is that while Del Toro is clearly not involved, Mike Mignola is. He co-wrote the script, which is more involvement in a film than almost any comic creator has ever had. This isn't Bendis or Slott getting asked to come in for a day to chat with the writers of the next Spider-Man movie. Mignola looks to have some pretty significant creative control here.
It reminds a little of the pushback against the new Tick series. It might not be Your Tick, but it is definitely The Tick, because Ben Edlund is writing and producing the show.
Is this going to be good? I dunno. As good as it would have been if Del Toro was still involved? Probably not.
But this is still Mike Mignola's Hellboy.
posted by thecjm at 9:08 PM on December 19, 2018 [6 favorites]
What I want to know is: why couldn’t they have kept Rob Perlman and the rest of the cast even if Del Toro had to go?
posted by Apocryphon at 9:16 PM on December 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by Apocryphon at 9:16 PM on December 19, 2018 [4 favorites]
I'm torn. Big Mo ID sass, yeah sure. Maybe only need it once per film or trailer.
Hellboy? Previous promo pics looked amazing, but does anyone remember watching ST:TNG where every so often Klingon Chancellor Gowron would pop up and all you (well, I) could think was, "there's a guy with the wrong shape face for the makeup"? Even if that was intentional there, bit too much of it here.
The bit at the end of the trailer with his crown though? Ohhhh, yes!
TBH, I'm not a proper Hellboy fan, just someone who loved the Del Toro films and read a few, but if anyone could nail the comics' mournful, folklorific tone I would be so happy.
posted by I'm always feeling, Blue at 9:23 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Hellboy? Previous promo pics looked amazing, but does anyone remember watching ST:TNG where every so often Klingon Chancellor Gowron would pop up and all you (well, I) could think was, "there's a guy with the wrong shape face for the makeup"? Even if that was intentional there, bit too much of it here.
The bit at the end of the trailer with his crown though? Ohhhh, yes!
TBH, I'm not a proper Hellboy fan, just someone who loved the Del Toro films and read a few, but if anyone could nail the comics' mournful, folklorific tone I would be so happy.
posted by I'm always feeling, Blue at 9:23 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Not promising. The trailer is bad. It's bad because if this is indeed a fun movie to watch, the trailer should reflect that fun somewhat. Not that that would necessarily mean it's be a good movie; lord knows there are a ton of trailers that make me go "wow!" but the later film turns out to be a pile of poo.
But to have such a limp and lackluster trailer? Probably points to a film without a lot of juicy bits to promote. The production values look ok, and the Hellboy makeup looks indistinguishable from del Toro's, but that was a lot of CGI, which didn't really look that good. Anyway, I find del Toro an interesting director but his films always seem to fall short for me. Neil Marshall I don't have much of a grasp of, though I thought The Descent to be a fantastic horror film. Who knows, but I won't be rushing out to see it.
posted by zardoz at 9:24 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
But to have such a limp and lackluster trailer? Probably points to a film without a lot of juicy bits to promote. The production values look ok, and the Hellboy makeup looks indistinguishable from del Toro's, but that was a lot of CGI, which didn't really look that good. Anyway, I find del Toro an interesting director but his films always seem to fall short for me. Neil Marshall I don't have much of a grasp of, though I thought The Descent to be a fantastic horror film. Who knows, but I won't be rushing out to see it.
posted by zardoz at 9:24 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
Well as I mentioned, we Del Toro/Perlman Hellboy fans were extremely spoiled, but as a film and fantasy lover, I feel obliged to give this movie a chance. I want Hollywood to absolutely produce big budget fantasy. So at best right now I think this movie has the potential to be as entertaining as an average MCU property, but I'm worried it will move into the room above the garage of the Transformer franchise where no pets and no practical effects are allowed. And unfortunately I have no patience anymore for reboots and origin stories. Speaking of which, the original Hellboy spent only about 15-20 minutes featuring his origin, and it was damn entertaining at that. No tiresome angst or Mr. Miyagi montages. A 15 minute introduction then cut immediately to Hellboy in his prime kicking ass and sparring with Jeffrey Tambor. I never liked the Myers character; more Jeffery Tambor would have been preferable, but eh, Myers doesn't dent my 5/5 star rating.
posted by Brocktoon at 9:33 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Brocktoon at 9:33 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
The trailer is bad
It's almost as if, conceptually, the trailer was designed around the song, rather than the song was found for the trailer. Hopefully, the movie itself is not an expansion of a trailer that has been designed around a song ...
There is a not-bad cover of Mony Mony by Celia and the Mutations (aka The Stranglers).
posted by carter at 9:49 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
It's almost as if, conceptually, the trailer was designed around the song, rather than the song was found for the trailer. Hopefully, the movie itself is not an expansion of a trailer that has been designed around a song ...
There is a not-bad cover of Mony Mony by Celia and the Mutations (aka The Stranglers).
posted by carter at 9:49 PM on December 19, 2018 [1 favorite]
I feel like those exact clips but with different music and cut better would have made a much better trailer. Like the actually substance is ok but the tone was all wrong. I’ll wait for the second trailer to judge.
posted by Homo neanderthalensis at 9:50 PM on December 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Homo neanderthalensis at 9:50 PM on December 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
I have not heard a British accent done quite as badly as Daniel Dae Kim does here for a very long time. And there is no way a British policeman would say 'my bad'. Yeah, the jokes in the trailer aren't funny and the action scenes just look dull, but it's the fact that those couple of very basic things are just wrong which makes me think that this is really going to be awful.
posted by Vortisaur at 10:39 PM on December 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Vortisaur at 10:39 PM on December 19, 2018 [2 favorites]
This trailer doesn't really make me want to go see this movie and I'm a HUUUGE Hellboy fan.
I have not heard a British accent done quite as badly as Daniel Dae Kim does here for a very long time.
Wait, does Daniel Dae Kim do a British accent ? Daimio grew up in america...
posted by Pendragon at 11:12 PM on December 19, 2018
I have not heard a British accent done quite as badly as Daniel Dae Kim does here for a very long time.
Wait, does Daniel Dae Kim do a British accent ? Daimio grew up in america...
posted by Pendragon at 11:12 PM on December 19, 2018
"Legos"? You... monster
posted by BinaryApe at 11:55 PM on December 19, 2018 [7 favorites]
posted by BinaryApe at 11:55 PM on December 19, 2018 [7 favorites]
when does he eat the pancakes
posted by poffin boffin at 12:16 AM on December 20, 2018 [14 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 12:16 AM on December 20, 2018 [14 favorites]
I'd love this to be the key that lets Marshall out of director jail... but sadly I don't think it will be.
When I first saw this and Mo From Eastenders (aka Gary Oldman's Sister) turned up I was convinced it was some sort of spoof trailer and I had the wrong link.
(For non Brits imagine you are watching a trailer for a supposed blockbuster and an actor appears who is pretty much only known for a long running part in a early evening soap/drama)
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:20 AM on December 20, 2018
When I first saw this and Mo From Eastenders (aka Gary Oldman's Sister) turned up I was convinced it was some sort of spoof trailer and I had the wrong link.
(For non Brits imagine you are watching a trailer for a supposed blockbuster and an actor appears who is pretty much only known for a long running part in a early evening soap/drama)
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 12:20 AM on December 20, 2018
I find it difficult to buy into McShane bringing up a child to say 'legos'.
posted by biffa at 1:16 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by biffa at 1:16 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
I give this two Aquamen down
posted by thelonius at 1:17 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by thelonius at 1:17 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
I have not heard a British accent done quite as badly as Daniel Dae Kim does here for a very long time. And there is no way a British policeman would say 'my bad'.
Yeah I was like "oh it's set in the UK, cool" and the moments later, "oh, it's set in what Americans think the UK is like. Huh."
When I first saw this and Mo From Eastenders
They should have had Ian Beale running the chippy, at least we could take some pleasure in him being ripped apart by demons.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 2:23 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
Yeah I was like "oh it's set in the UK, cool" and the moments later, "oh, it's set in what Americans think the UK is like. Huh."
When I first saw this and Mo From Eastenders
They should have had Ian Beale running the chippy, at least we could take some pleasure in him being ripped apart by demons.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 2:23 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
What I want to know is: why couldn’t they have kept Rob Perlman and the rest of the cast even if Del Toro had to go?
Perlman is almost 70, he probably doesn't want to have to deal with all that makeup at his age.
posted by octothorpe at 3:12 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
Perlman is almost 70, he probably doesn't want to have to deal with all that makeup at his age.
posted by octothorpe at 3:12 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
I'll probably see it, but I kinda feel like this is redneck hellboy.
Can you please explain what the word 'redneck' means in this context? I thought there was going to be, like, banjos or something in the trailer, but there were none.
I'd be more interested in a Spawn reboot than a Hellboy reboot at this point.
They're working on that.
posted by heatvision at 3:13 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
Can you please explain what the word 'redneck' means in this context? I thought there was going to be, like, banjos or something in the trailer, but there were none.
I'd be more interested in a Spawn reboot than a Hellboy reboot at this point.
They're working on that.
posted by heatvision at 3:13 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
Can you please explain what the word 'redneck' means in this context?
I mean he does literally have a red neck. And a red everything else.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 3:20 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
I mean he does literally have a red neck. And a red everything else.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 3:20 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
I'm waiting for the first reddit comment saying "Who does this Mignola guy think he is, messing with my Del Toro Hellboy!!"
posted by Pendragon at 3:22 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by Pendragon at 3:22 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
Also, everybody talks about Ron Perlman's Hellboy, but I really can't see Ian McShane as Bruttenholm. Then again, John Hurt was perfect for the role.
posted by Pendragon at 3:27 AM on December 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by Pendragon at 3:27 AM on December 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
If the pain from this movie is too great, the library editions of the original series are there to heal us afterwards.
posted by mecran01 at 4:34 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by mecran01 at 4:34 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
In 2019, I resolve to see a movie that isn't about a superhero saving the world from annihilation.
(Checks)
Oh, my God, there aren't any.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 4:43 AM on December 20, 2018 [6 favorites]
(Checks)
Oh, my God, there aren't any.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 4:43 AM on December 20, 2018 [6 favorites]
We really need to get a law requiring at least 30 years to pass before a reboot is produced.
posted by Thorzdad at 4:45 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Thorzdad at 4:45 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
One of the effects of me getting older is that pop culture stuff that came out after I grew up kind of all runs together. So my reaction to this was “isn’t Hellboy pretty recent? Why would you need a remake when the del Toro one is modern and you can just rent that on Netflix?”
Btw not using the term reboot since it’s usually a code word for laziness.
posted by freecellwizard at 4:58 AM on December 20, 2018 [5 favorites]
Btw not using the term reboot since it’s usually a code word for laziness.
posted by freecellwizard at 4:58 AM on December 20, 2018 [5 favorites]
This is pretty far from what I was expecting when they said they were going to reboot Hellboy to be closer to the comics. I guess a German Expressionist horror-action-thriller isn't exactly box office gold these days, but this really looks like a more generic version of the first del Toro movie.
posted by He Is Only The Imposter at 5:25 AM on December 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by He Is Only The Imposter at 5:25 AM on December 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
So my reaction to this was “isn’t Hellboy pretty recent? Why would you need a remake when the del Toro one is modern and you can just rent that on Netflix?”
I think the whole Spider-Man thing cast a long shadow.
Aren’t we about due for a Black Panther reboot?
posted by ricochet biscuit at 5:59 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
I think the whole Spider-Man thing cast a long shadow.
Aren’t we about due for a Black Panther reboot?
posted by ricochet biscuit at 5:59 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
At least there's a minimum of Ye Old England standards... Gherkin/Shard, red London buses, phone boxes, taxi cabs etc etc... well so far, but given they've got, I think St Pauls, a chippy called 'Codswallop', pub called O'Tools Tavern and the aforementioned Mo from Eastenders I'm bracing myself for all of that plus a pearly King and Queen giving it a right old cockney knees-up!
(Oh wait, there is a black taxi cab!)
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 6:00 AM on December 20, 2018
(Oh wait, there is a black taxi cab!)
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 6:00 AM on December 20, 2018
I can't remember ever being so underwhelmed by a movie trailer before.
Also, for those who've read the original source material, did this movie steal the "granny with machine gun operating front business as secret entrance to government facility" from Captain America or vice versa?
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 6:09 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
Also, for those who've read the original source material, did this movie steal the "granny with machine gun operating front business as secret entrance to government facility" from Captain America or vice versa?
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 6:09 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
Hopefully Captain America will get to blow heads off in his reboot. Let's turn all of our super heroes into The Punisher.
posted by Brocktoon at 6:15 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Brocktoon at 6:15 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
IIRC there is no such Granny-Operating-Front-Business in the Hellboy comics. The BPRD justs work out of an anonymous-looking government facility.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 6:17 AM on December 20, 2018
posted by EndsOfInvention at 6:17 AM on December 20, 2018
And FWIW, The Man From UNCLE had a Grandpa-Operated-Front-Business back in 1964. Not sure if that's the earliest example but here's the TV Tropes page.
posted by EndsOfInvention at 6:20 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by EndsOfInvention at 6:20 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
Ok, so yeah. I'm a read-the-full-series-and-mostly-love-the-Del-Toro-movies Hellboy fan. Mignola is pretty involved and I like Harbour a lot. I agree that McShane isn't really proper Bruttenholm, but I do like him an awful lot too.
I think (hope) this is just an awkwardly cut trailer with poor choice of music and marketing.
I find it difficult to buy into McShane bringing up a child to say 'legos'.
I find it very believable that Hellboy would say "legos" simply because it isn't proper.
posted by Fleebnork at 6:25 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
I think (hope) this is just an awkwardly cut trailer with poor choice of music and marketing.
I find it difficult to buy into McShane bringing up a child to say 'legos'.
I find it very believable that Hellboy would say "legos" simply because it isn't proper.
posted by Fleebnork at 6:25 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
Oh, they definitely stole it from Cap. (Although I could swear that I've seen the innocent-looking-clerk-is-really-ready-to-throw-down variation before, but I can't say where.)
posted by Halloween Jack at 6:29 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Halloween Jack at 6:29 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
Perlman is almost 70, he probably doesn't want to have to deal with all that makeup at his age.
Aw, hell no. Perlman was campaigning for a Hellboy 3 hard. He was that saddest of any of us to hear about the reboot.
posted by greermahoney at 6:38 AM on December 20, 2018 [5 favorites]
Aw, hell no. Perlman was campaigning for a Hellboy 3 hard. He was that saddest of any of us to hear about the reboot.
posted by greermahoney at 6:38 AM on December 20, 2018 [5 favorites]
Nope.
Edit: nope is my response to the trailer, not to any comment in this thread.
posted by gauche at 6:43 AM on December 20, 2018
Edit: nope is my response to the trailer, not to any comment in this thread.
posted by gauche at 6:43 AM on December 20, 2018
It feels like perfectly mild entertainment. Not bad, but not great or even good, in the sense that you're there opening night or weekend. Nothing about it really says Hellboy, it looks like just another superhero save the world flick and we know how that ends.
I have problems with some of Del Toro's storytelling aspects, but the sheer gorgeousness of his movies makes up for most of that. This trailer hints that the reboot doesn't come anywhere close.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:51 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
I have problems with some of Del Toro's storytelling aspects, but the sheer gorgeousness of his movies makes up for most of that. This trailer hints that the reboot doesn't come anywhere close.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:51 AM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
Lesson today on MetaFilter: mefites will always judge films by huge assumptions they make based on trailers, which are not created by the filn’s director, are usually assembled while the film is still being made, and very rarely offer a good representation of the completed film.
posted by maxsparber at 7:01 AM on December 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by maxsparber at 7:01 AM on December 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
The old lady with a gun in a curio shop front from the Captain America Movie goes back to the original 1940s Captain America comic.
posted by He Is Only The Imposter at 7:06 AM on December 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by He Is Only The Imposter at 7:06 AM on December 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
Cheap CG monster roars at camera again. I wonder how many times that particular scene has been done.
posted by FakeFreyja at 7:23 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by FakeFreyja at 7:23 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
And still no Kate Corrigan! HB's comradely friendship with Kate was the backbone of the series.
posted by SPrintF at 7:54 AM on December 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
posted by SPrintF at 7:54 AM on December 20, 2018 [4 favorites]
I'm judging the film on the basis of the quality of dialog in the trailer, especially the cringeworthy exposition-dropping of Ian McShane.
Some of those lines are so tinny I wonder if they hired Ernest Cline to punch up the dialog right before shooting.
posted by gauche at 8:06 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
Some of those lines are so tinny I wonder if they hired Ernest Cline to punch up the dialog right before shooting.
posted by gauche at 8:06 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
That final blazing crown gave me a bit of an Arthur Brown vibe.
posted by doctornemo at 8:46 AM on December 20, 2018
posted by doctornemo at 8:46 AM on December 20, 2018
Lesson today on MetaFilter: mefites will always judge films by huge assumptions they make based on trailers, which are not created by the filn’s director, are usually assembled while the film is still being made, and very rarely offer a good representation of the completed film.
The creators of this movie have said they were going for a darker horror version. This trailer seems to say otherwise. I'm still going to see the movie, but this screams Deadpool instead of Pan's Labyrinth .
posted by Pendragon at 9:45 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
The creators of this movie have said they were going for a darker horror version. This trailer seems to say otherwise. I'm still going to see the movie, but this screams Deadpool instead of Pan's Labyrinth .
posted by Pendragon at 9:45 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
And I don't buy it that the creators don't have any say over the feel of a trailer.
posted by Pendragon at 9:47 AM on December 20, 2018
posted by Pendragon at 9:47 AM on December 20, 2018
Milla "This is a B Movie Folks" Jovovich
Very well then, we shall fight. Weapons or hand to hand?
posted by Splunge at 10:19 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
Very well then, we shall fight. Weapons or hand to hand?
posted by Splunge at 10:19 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
The Descent was so bad I stopped going to the cinema for a while, so even Anung Un Rama complete with flaming sword is not going to drag me out to the cinema.
posted by The River Ivel at 10:43 AM on December 20, 2018
posted by The River Ivel at 10:43 AM on December 20, 2018
mefites will always judge films by huge assumptions they make based on trailers, which are not created by the filn’s director, are usually assembled while the film is still being made, and very rarely offer a good representation of the completed film.
I distinctly remember as an undiscriminating nine-year-old thinking, "geez, that looks stupid."
posted by ricochet biscuit at 10:51 AM on December 20, 2018
I distinctly remember as an undiscriminating nine-year-old thinking, "geez, that looks stupid."
posted by ricochet biscuit at 10:51 AM on December 20, 2018
There's no excuse for using that particular Billy Idol song.
posted by Liquidwolf at 10:56 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by Liquidwolf at 10:56 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
I'm only mildly embarrassed to admit that the new Men in Black movie looks delightful.
posted by gwint at 11:03 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
posted by gwint at 11:03 AM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
"Always remember, the universe has a way of leading you to where you're supposed to be at the moment you're supposed to be there."
Wait, is Liam Neeson's character in the new MIB actually Dirk Gently?
posted by tobascodagama at 11:07 AM on December 20, 2018
Wait, is Liam Neeson's character in the new MIB actually Dirk Gently?
posted by tobascodagama at 11:07 AM on December 20, 2018
This looks like the sort of movie I would have on in the background while browsing through Metafilter on rainy/snowy day.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 11:10 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 11:10 AM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
Monkey with a gun or we riot.
posted by Balna Watya at 11:12 AM on December 20, 2018 [7 favorites]
posted by Balna Watya at 11:12 AM on December 20, 2018 [7 favorites]
Marshall’s mostly a TV director these days (Game of Thrones, Westworld, etc) and the lighting and effects do look more like they're from a mid-budget streaming series than a feature film.
posted by octothorpe at 11:23 AM on December 20, 2018
posted by octothorpe at 11:23 AM on December 20, 2018
Lesson today on MetaFilter: mefites will always judge films by huge assumptions they make based on trailers, which are not created by the filn’s director, are usually assembled while the film is still being made, and very rarely offer a good representation of the completed film.
Isn't that the whole point of a trailer, though?
posted by restless_nomad at 1:20 PM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
Isn't that the whole point of a trailer, though?
posted by restless_nomad at 1:20 PM on December 20, 2018 [3 favorites]
The point of a trailer is to increase ticket sales; whether the film is accurately represented in the process is a secondary concern at best.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:33 PM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by tobascodagama at 1:33 PM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
The point of a trailer is to increase ticket sales; whether the film is accurately represented in the process is a secondary concern at best.
Let's hope they've misrepresented the movie in this trailer.
posted by Liquidwolf at 1:49 PM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
Let's hope they've misrepresented the movie in this trailer.
posted by Liquidwolf at 1:49 PM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
I'm only mildly embarrassed to admit that the new Men in Black movie looks delightful.
The secret is putting two of the hottest people in the world hummana hummana hummana sooo pretty
posted by kirkaracha at 2:17 PM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
The secret is putting two of the hottest people in the world hummana hummana hummana sooo pretty
posted by kirkaracha at 2:17 PM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
One of the things that surprised me, when I looked at the Wikipedia pages for the two del Toro films, is that neither of them turned a profit, although HBII came close. Maybe the makers of this are trying for something different?
posted by Halloween Jack at 2:18 PM on December 20, 2018
posted by Halloween Jack at 2:18 PM on December 20, 2018
mefites will always judge films by huge assumptions they make based on trailers
That's how advertising works, that's the whole point.
posted by bongo_x at 2:18 PM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
That's how advertising works, that's the whole point.
posted by bongo_x at 2:18 PM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
Let's hope they've misrepresented the movie in this trailer.
Quite.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:23 PM on December 20, 2018
Quite.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:23 PM on December 20, 2018
Lesson today on MetaFilter: mefites will always judge films by huge assumptions they make based on trailers, which are not created by the filn’s director, are usually assembled while the film is still being made, and very rarely offer a good representation of the completed film.
Sorry, but my wild assumptions were mostly about the casting being terrible, and the trailer showing hints of a story that began very early in Hellboy and ran as a main thread throughout the entire series. To try to do all of that in a single movie seems insane to me, as the series and all of the other Parts of the story, and how they make us care for Hellboy is what gives this story weight. To jump straight into this, which is literally the end of the story, seems like a disastrous decision for any attempt to create a new series of films. For an equivalent, imagine Star Wars focusing entirely on Luke and Darth Vader, and going from zero to I am your father to I know there is good in you, in a single movie, without Han, Leia, or Yoda.
Also, Daimio’s face should be a gaping mass of holes in flesh, not a couple scratches. Dude was mailed by the Jaguar God, not a particularly feisty rose bush.
posted by Ghidorah at 4:21 PM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
Sorry, but my wild assumptions were mostly about the casting being terrible, and the trailer showing hints of a story that began very early in Hellboy and ran as a main thread throughout the entire series. To try to do all of that in a single movie seems insane to me, as the series and all of the other Parts of the story, and how they make us care for Hellboy is what gives this story weight. To jump straight into this, which is literally the end of the story, seems like a disastrous decision for any attempt to create a new series of films. For an equivalent, imagine Star Wars focusing entirely on Luke and Darth Vader, and going from zero to I am your father to I know there is good in you, in a single movie, without Han, Leia, or Yoda.
Also, Daimio’s face should be a gaping mass of holes in flesh, not a couple scratches. Dude was mailed by the Jaguar God, not a particularly feisty rose bush.
posted by Ghidorah at 4:21 PM on December 20, 2018 [1 favorite]
MetaFilter: not a particularly feisty rose bush.
posted by Splunge at 6:06 PM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Splunge at 6:06 PM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
I doubt they're trying for something different. The studio wants that sweet MCU and Deadpool money.
posted by Brocktoon at 6:19 PM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by Brocktoon at 6:19 PM on December 20, 2018 [2 favorites]
Yeah, "darker and edgier" and "trying something different" is studio speak for "we're trying to pandering to you over here, nerds".
posted by tobascodagama at 8:06 PM on December 20, 2018
posted by tobascodagama at 8:06 PM on December 20, 2018
Yes, the Abe Sapien comics are worth reading.
The main thing I didn't like in the Del Toro movies was the relationship between Hellboy and Liz Sherman. In the comics they have a sort of sibling relationship.
From a Mignola interview: "And yeah, I mean, the Hellboy character in that second picture is so far away from my version of Hellboy, because you had the whole love-interest thing, which had morphed into this first-year-marriage squabbling kind of thing, which is totally alien to my character. So the Hellboy character did quite a few things in the second film that my Hellboy wouldn’t do. In fact, there was a moment in one of the meetings where I said, “Hellboy wouldn’t do that,” and Del Toro said, “Your Hellboy wouldn’t, mine would."
posted by Pendragon at 12:35 AM on December 21, 2018 [2 favorites]
The main thing I didn't like in the Del Toro movies was the relationship between Hellboy and Liz Sherman. In the comics they have a sort of sibling relationship.
From a Mignola interview: "And yeah, I mean, the Hellboy character in that second picture is so far away from my version of Hellboy, because you had the whole love-interest thing, which had morphed into this first-year-marriage squabbling kind of thing, which is totally alien to my character. So the Hellboy character did quite a few things in the second film that my Hellboy wouldn’t do. In fact, there was a moment in one of the meetings where I said, “Hellboy wouldn’t do that,” and Del Toro said, “Your Hellboy wouldn’t, mine would."
posted by Pendragon at 12:35 AM on December 21, 2018 [2 favorites]
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