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Palestinian comic booted from Jackie Mason's comedy show
August 28, 2002 2:08 PM   Subscribe

Palestinian comic booted from Jackie Mason's comedy show Ray Hanania, a Palestinian comic in Chicago, was set to open for headlining act Jackie Mason. A few hours before the show, Mason had him booted. "It's not exactly like he's just an Arab-American. This guy's a Palestinian," said Jyll Rosenfeld, Mason's manager. "Jackie does not feel comfortable having a Palestinian open for him." Ouch. (Imagine if the tables were turned: "Ray does not feel comfortable having a Jew open for him") Too bad, really. If there's one thing the I/P conflict needs, it's more humor. Like this Muslim-Jewish Comedy Night.
posted by laz-e-boy (68 comments total)

 
OK, this is not just anothe I/P thread, ok?
Let's try to comment on the issues, the people, their talents, etc: not just "how evil Sharon & the IDF/ Arafat & the Suicide bombers" are. [/pre-emptive]
posted by dash_slot- at 2:14 PM on August 28, 2002


Wow. Not that I'm a big fan of Jackie Mason's comedy, but that's one of those stories where you hope there's a legitimate "other side of the story," like it's just a rumor, or that's simply what Hanania is accusing Mason of, or something. But Hanania, at least as far as the article goes, seems pretty balanced about the whole thing (frankly, I'd be pissed). Also, the wrong guy to boot - a Vietnam vet, among other things. I would like to know how close to each other Rosenfeld's above comment and the following were: "Don't turn this into a racist issue, because it's not ... We just felt this is not a good idea at this time." Because, to me, "This guy's a Palestinian" is a pretty straight-up racist justification for kicking him off the show. Don't know how you get around that one. Hmm.
posted by risenc at 2:16 PM on August 28, 2002


Ray Hanania has his own site.
posted by liam at 2:16 PM on August 28, 2002


Note the difference between the quotes from Mason's spokesperson (Jackie does not feel comfortable having a Palestinian open for him") and the club spokesman ("It's just the fact that he is an unknown...[Mason] is just not comfortable with having an unknown act.")
posted by mediareport at 2:20 PM on August 28, 2002


Wait a sec! This guy's not a Palestinian, he's a Palestinian-American! (The article didn't exactly specify, but he did serve in the Vietnam War.) And is his material anti-Israel or similarly political? I'm guessing not. Bad call, Jackie Mason; bad call, comedy club!

The least the club can do is give him more performance dates, maybe even as a headliner. Bet it would sell out after this publicity.
posted by PennyPrune at 2:23 PM on August 28, 2002


(Imagine if the tables were turned: "Ray does not feel comfortable having a Jew open for him")

Ugh. Jew is not the opposite of Palestinian.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 2:24 PM on August 28, 2002


I have no idea who Jackie Mason is, but his manager sure sounds like a real idiot.

Hm, maybe that's why I haven't heard of him...
posted by livingdots at 2:28 PM on August 28, 2002


<obvious><tasteless>
Maybe Mason was just afraid Ray would bomb.
</tasteless></obvious>
posted by madprops at 2:28 PM on August 28, 2002


The guy was on MSNBC this afternoon, on Curtis and Kuby. He was pretty funny actually. He didn't seem that pissed, I think he realized he was going to get more press over this than if he just performed at the show.
posted by stifford at 2:30 PM on August 28, 2002


Migeul --- of course Palestinian and Jew are not opposites, but it's pertinent here as Mason is Jewish.
posted by nathan_teske at 2:30 PM on August 28, 2002


My 2p-worth: Someone booked him (after some sort of assessment of his talents, presumably) and I guess Mason must have accepted him as support at some point, no?

"Nothing personal against this fellow," Rosenfeld said. "This guy's a Palestinian," said Jyll Rosenfeld, Mason's manager..."Jackie doesn't even know him."

Wow...neat definition of prejudice, there.

A war hero, starting out in the business, knocked back by the doyenne of stand-ups, because of his race*/nationality*. We expect the bereaved of the Mid-East to resolve their differences and Process Peace, but instead we have the conflict extended at one remove.

How sad.
posted by dash_slot- at 2:30 PM on August 28, 2002


Why is Jackie Mason even on the road anymore? His jokes are so stale even the rats don't bite for fear of breaking a tooth.

His politics, on the other hand, are obviously ripe.
posted by me3dia at 2:31 PM on August 28, 2002


*delete as appropriate
posted by dash_slot- at 2:32 PM on August 28, 2002


OK, Miguel, How about this:
Imagine if the tables were turned: "Ray does not feel comfortable having a Jew Zionist open for him"
posted by TCMITS at 2:33 PM on August 28, 2002


Liam, thanks for the link! It's well worth reading!

Guess what, folks: "Hanania -- a Christian married to a Jewish woman -- is a former award-winning political writer for the Chicago Sun-Times and the city's Daily Southtown newspaper." (from a link on his site to an editorandpublisher.com article.)
posted by PennyPrune at 2:34 PM on August 28, 2002


Hanania also points out that Jerry Seinfeld is half-Arab. Who knew?
posted by PennyPrune at 2:35 PM on August 28, 2002


Hanania's married to a Jew?! Oh, Jackie, Jackie, Jackie. You'll be remembered for this one. Is anyone else reminded of the way Cheney-hawk Paul Wolfowitz was booed by a hard-line group of American Jews [scroll down] for saying, "Innocent Palestinians are suffering and dying in great numbers as well. It is critical that we recognize and acknowledge that fact."

U.S. Jews have a lot of work to do in prying this debate out of the hands of their own hard-line conservatives.
posted by mediareport at 2:39 PM on August 28, 2002


who in their right mind would pay money to listen to Jackie Mason?
posted by gwint at 2:40 PM on August 28, 2002


me3dia, stop stealing his jokes--all of his writers are dead by now....(ba-dum-bum!)

Jackie Mason is, and has always been, a 3rd-rate borscht belt comic...his audience is people over 60 for the most part, and if he's anti-palestinian...well, i'm not surprised one bit. And his put-on accent--don't get me started...

If Jackie Mason still had a career, he wouldn't be performing at small clubs like that one in Chicago...I think he's going to benefit from the publicity too, unfortunately, and he'll probably be on Larry King within a few days, milking it for all it's worth...

that said, Hanania's jokes on his site are just as bad as Jackie's....
posted by amberglow at 2:51 PM on August 28, 2002


What's funny is that Jackie Mason is known largely for his purposely politically incorrect humor. He's been accused of racism/sexism/etc.'ism in the past, but he's always defended himself by saying "hey, I was just pulling the piss. Don't be so sensitive." And, to his credit, he's always had a point beyond just being offensive and controversial. When this all hits the fan (though I guess it already has), I wonder if he'll try to take it back by saying it was all an elaborate, piss-pulling joke.
posted by risenc at 2:55 PM on August 28, 2002


risenc: Is Palestinian a race?
posted by Witty at 3:08 PM on August 28, 2002


Sweet! A MeFi/Zanies post.

"who in their right mind would pay money to listen to Jackie Mason?"

Just as a point of reference, I live about a block south of Zanies and he's been pulling in fairly decent crowds for about a month straight now. The lines have indeed seemed a bit, um, 'mature'.
posted by mathis23 at 3:08 PM on August 28, 2002


The reports were breaking this morning on local news, and I thought "this must be a horrible misunderstanding" -- something that was encouraged by the club, based on the noon-hour reports. ("Ray uses deadpan humor about the conflict as part of his act. Jackie didn't feel this was an appropriate time to be joking about it.")

On the evening news, though, Mason's right in your face about "He's criticizing Sharon, he's criticizing the IDF ..." So much for a graceful weaseling out. And Hanania does seem to be (trying to appear) a good sport about it, due to the national publicity.

Though listed as one of the Top Ten Standup Comedians, the commentary (by comics/TV writer, and compulsive list-maker, Mark Evanier notes:

JACKIE MASON
His Act: The famed Ed Sullivan "finger" incident was so talked-about that folks forgot how truly funny Jackie Mason could be. His first one-man-revue, compiled from 30 years of playing clubs, was a riot, especially the lists of all the traits that Jews (and, incidentally, a lot of non-Jews) all share. No one ever got more laughs from pure reality.
These Days: Turns up intermittently on Broadway with new one-man-revues, each balder on jokes than the one before. Also becoming well-known for inane, angry political commentary.

posted by dhartung at 3:21 PM on August 28, 2002


I'd boycott Mason for this ... if I hadn't passively been doing that my whole life on account of his stridently unfunny schtick.
posted by donkeyschlong at 3:22 PM on August 28, 2002


Just saw a promo for tonight's Crossfire on CNN. Special Guest: Jackie Mason.
posted by birdherder at 3:22 PM on August 28, 2002


TCMITS: Imagine if the tables were turned: "Ray does not feel comfortable having a Zionist open for him"

I think that's perfectly valid. Although deciding right before the show is a little uncool.
posted by bingo at 3:24 PM on August 28, 2002


JACKIE MASON
His Act: The famed Ed Sullivan "finger" incident was so talked-about that folks forgot how truly funny Jackie Mason could be.


I'm not old enough to remember that (conceived under Carter and all) --- " 'finger' incident"? Anyone?
posted by nathan_teske at 3:26 PM on August 28, 2002


He's been in the business for over 30 years and many may remember the feud he had with Ed Sullivan years ago when Sullivan cut him off during a performance claiming that Jackie threw the finger at him. That incident pretty much blackballed him from performing, outside of the Borscht Belt.
posted by Witty at 3:28 PM on August 28, 2002


It's good, I think, to laugh about our differences.

But the following joke at a Jackie Mason show?

"President Bush says no more
impromptu press conferences

President Bush will no longer hold impromptu press conferences. His staff says the President needs at least three days to translate the documents from Hebrew into English before he will read them to the press. "

Hey, it's from the guy's website.
posted by swerdloff at 3:39 PM on August 28, 2002


If the humor in his weblog is any indication, it looks like he's been lifting Mason's schtick:

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ordered that a postage stamp be commissioned to honor his leadership. The stamp was printed and distributed but his aides reported that while stamps were being sold, very few were being used on letters. In fact, Prime Minister Sharon had yet to receive a letter with one of his postage stamp portraits ... Sharon ordered the Mossad, if it could find the time between assassinating Palestinian political leaders, and cultivating Americans to spy for Israel, to investigate why the stamp was not being used. After an exhaustive study, the Mossad reported that the problem was that the stamps were being used improperly.

Nearly everyone was spitting on the wrong side. ...


I'm pretty sure I heard that about Arafat, but shorter.
posted by swell at 3:54 PM on August 28, 2002


Here's an interesting Google find: ADL leader letter to the editor about Jackie Mason's article about Arabs: LINK


Here's another one which seems to have the best encapsulation of Hanania's act and goals: LINK Worth a quick read, has some examples of his jokes, and his admiration for Jewish comedians.
posted by cell divide at 3:57 PM on August 28, 2002


hey, Jackie's a columnist too!

with Raoul Felder, a divorce attorney here in NY
posted by amberglow at 4:19 PM on August 28, 2002


here's a taste, about Saudi Arabia: ...If oil is as essential to us to allow the continuum of our way of life, in much the same way water was to our early settlers, there is no good reason why we cannot simply take over the oil fields with force of arms, distribute the oil to the world at fair rates...
posted by amberglow at 4:22 PM on August 28, 2002


...After an exhaustive study, the Mossad reported that the problem was that the stamps were being used improperly. Nearly everyone was spitting on the wrong side.

The first time I heard this joke (with different names inserted), I think I was around six years old. It wasn't funny then, either.
posted by chuq at 4:31 PM on August 28, 2002


Don't most people lick stamps? That would kind of turn the joke's premise on its head, having people licking Sharon/Arafat.

Ugh. That's a mental image that's going to be difficult to purge from my head.

I didn't even know Jackie Mason was still alive. I guess I confuse him with Buddy Hackett. Oh, he's still alive too. Well they're both filthy and awful.
posted by evanizer at 5:11 PM on August 28, 2002


someone call frank.
posted by clavdivs at 5:12 PM on August 28, 2002


Witty: Didn't say "Palestinian" was a race. In any case, regardless of Rosenfeld's casuistry, I wonder if Mason wouldn't have done the same thing if the guy were Egyptian. I think there's a good likelihood he would at least have treated him with disdain. Israeli-Palestinian tensions have a whole lot to do with race; that doesn't make "Palestinian" a race.
posted by risenc at 5:44 PM on August 28, 2002


Lots of postings seem to belittle Mason's talent as some way of saying...I am not sure what. Mason is funny, for me, but is terribly right-wing, which I detest in him. But then the anti-semitic T.S. Eliot and Ezra Pounds were bad humans and great poets.

Fact: The star (like him or not) has the right to decide who opens. The club could have dropped Mason. They choose not to. The comic now has it made for the publicity. And he knows this.
In sum: a tempest in a teapot about a an ass who did a dumb thing. But had the right to do so.
posted by Postroad at 5:49 PM on August 28, 2002


Lots of postings seem to belittle Mason's talent as some way of saying...

...that he's not that funny or talented? sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, postroad...
posted by amberglow at 6:09 PM on August 28, 2002


...unless you're Monica! (ba-dum-bum!)

Thank you folks, I'll be here all week!
posted by amberglow at 6:13 PM on August 28, 2002


risenc: When this all hits the fan (though I guess it already has), I wonder if he'll try to take it back by saying it was all an elaborate, piss-pulling joke.

No, I didn't hear that, but in his press conference this afternoon, Mason kept harping about how Hanania was just an unknown trying to grab some free publicity from him. Mason went on to say that he didn't blame Hanania for trying to get more exposure for his career. Hel-lo? Wasn't it Mason that blocked Hanania from opening for him?
posted by Vidiot at 6:32 PM on August 28, 2002


Someone asked earlier about the infamous Jackie Mason finger incident....years ago while doing his stand-up schtick on the "Ed Sullivan" show, Ed was off-camera holding up two fingers to indicate to Jackie that he had two minutes left, start wrapping it up. Jackie mockingly gestured back at Ed while continuing with his routine. Jackie *swears* he held up _two_ fingers, but Ed and others saw it differently, and Jackie was banned from Ed's show and was pretty much blackballed in the biz for a while after that.
posted by Oriole Adams at 6:34 PM on August 28, 2002


The opposite of Palestinian is not Zionist. I think Jewish was correct. Zionism is a political philosophy that people freely choose. Being a Jew or being a Palestinian is not freely chosen. People are just born into it.

Discriminating against someone because he is ethnically Palestinian is the same as discriminating against someone because he is ethnically Jewish or because he is ethnically Irish. In the American context these are all ethnic groups.
posted by metaforth at 6:58 PM on August 28, 2002


Um, I don't think "opposite" is the right word in any case. But if there's a corollary to use here for "Palestinian," I think the appropriate word is "Israeli."
posted by bingo at 6:59 PM on August 28, 2002


I've been thinking about this since the post came up re: sullivan: my family used to say that Sullivan and Arthur Godfrey were notoriously anti-semitic, but all I could find so far online was this: ...We were going to launch it on The Ed Sullivan Show with a ninety-second commercial. Whereupon word is sent over from Sullivan that he will not do the commercial until it was proved to him that the claims for the product were true. Sullivan didn't like Revson and, in truth, Sullivan was a very anti-Semitic guy. So they send me [a Gentile] over to sell Sullivan. Charles gives me more books than I can carry with clinical data on Eterna 27.... from a book by Andrew Tobias on Revlon cosmetics...

if true, sheds some light on the Mason-Sullivan thing.....
posted by amberglow at 7:07 PM on August 28, 2002


Um, I don't think "opposite" is the right word in any case. But if there's a corollary to use here for "Palestinian," I think the appropriate word is "Israeli."

I still think Jewish is more appropriate here than Israeli. Israeli is a kind of citizenship. It's like being American or Canadian.

Ray is being discriminated against because of his ethnicity (Palestinian), not his citizenship (American).

Jewish is also appropriate because there is a history of discrimination against Jews. Anti-Israeli discrimination is just thinly veiled anti-Jewish discrimination.
posted by metaforth at 7:23 PM on August 28, 2002


There are Jewish Arabs, Jewish Ethiopians, Jewish Caucasians, Jewish Indians, Jewish Chinese - even Jewish Palestinians. All are Jews and all are Jewish. You can become a Jew by conversion.

The same goes for Muslim and Christian. There really isn't a Jewish ethnicity, as there isn't a Muslim or Christian ethnicity.

It's an interesting quandary! I think the problem is with the word Palestinian which is quite recent, unlike Palestine. Palestine was a place where Jews, Muslims and Christians lived.

My own solution would be Arab-American/Jewish-American but, if you use Palestinian, Israeli, as suggested above, is probably the best counterpart, as it's the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that is at stake and Palestinian is a nationality, like Israeli.

Zionism is an ideology (there are plenty of anti-Zionist Jews) and it's counterpart would probably be Palestinian nationalist.

It's all very confusing...
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:56 PM on August 28, 2002


its counterpart, dammit.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 7:57 PM on August 28, 2002


"U.S. Jews have a lot of work to do in prying this debate out of the hands of their own hard-line conservatives."
I found that comment rather odd considering us irrational wild-eyed conservatives have just recently managed to pry the debate out of the hands of the assimilated, appeasement obsessed, self-hating left. Given the fact that Israel is currently at war with the "Palestinians," it seems rather reasonable that a Jewish entertainer wouldn't want to share the stage with a Palestinian. I realize that for you leftists and multiculturalists this will be impossible to comprehend, but do your best. At a minimum you should at least try to understand that there a large number of us out there who would consider a Palestinian the enemy and would treat them as such. Once again try to get your mind around it if you can.
posted by tkcteecfrs at 8:27 PM on August 28, 2002


tkc, why was he hired as Mason's opening act then? Mason hired this guy to begin with!

also, Mason, on CNN tonight, made a big point of how his opening act the week before was a jordanian comedian....how does that fit in with your hypothesis? wouldn't that make people uncomfortable too?
posted by amberglow at 8:37 PM on August 28, 2002


tkcteecfrs - what many of us have been able to get our minds around is that Hanania isn't a Palestinian. He's an American. He's no more a Palestinian than Jackie Mason is an Israeli. If the club was in Israel you might have a point. But the club is in Chicago. So you don't.
posted by TimeFactor at 8:43 PM on August 28, 2002


At a minimum you should at least try to understand that there a large number of us out there who would consider a Palestinian the enemy and would treat them as such.

I'm sorry, tkcteecfrs, did you miss the part about how he was a Palestinian-American, Christian, and Jew? At some point, hon, both sides are going to have to let go of the racist generalizations.

I realize that for you leftists and multiculturalists this will be impossible to comprehend, but do your best.

Nothing I said deserved that kind of insult to my intelligence, but now that you've moved to that strategy, I have to admit it's not surprising from someone who'd defend bigotry.
posted by mediareport at 8:46 PM on August 28, 2002


...he was a Palestinian-American, Christian, and Jew?

I meant, of course, "married to a Jew."
posted by mediareport at 8:48 PM on August 28, 2002


"Nothing I said deserved that kind of insult to my intelligence"
I did not mean it as an insult to your intelligence in any way, rather I meant that it would be impossible for you to comprehend my so called bigotry. I assumed that many of you would consider that a compliment.
posted by tkcteecfrs at 8:56 PM on August 28, 2002


Hanania's weekly column {and some past columns}. Makes you wonder whether Mason didn't read it until he got to town.
posted by dhartung at 9:04 PM on August 28, 2002


Just a gut feeling that Mason's performance reception will be bigger than ever, considering his crowd.
posted by G_Ask at 9:13 PM on August 28, 2002


G_Ask makes a very good point. Mason's not all that popular these days outside a certain demographic - mostly people who saw him during his Borscht Belt days - and he could be hoping to use this to boost his own reception among them (as in, "I'm the comedian of the Zionists! I don't allow Palestinians on my stage! Come see me!").

Separately, I can't believe TKC would use this discussion to whip up a "liberals suck/no they don't" debate. This has nothing to do with being multiculturalist or not. Can Jewish employers now fire Palestinian employees? Can Jewish parents ask that their children be separated from Palestinian students in school? Obviously not, and while this is ultimately Mason's call and perhaps he legally can boot whomever he wants, that doesn't make any of it right or acceptable.
posted by risenc at 9:26 PM on August 28, 2002


TKC is an extremist who calls on his website to "demolish the Muslim abominations that currently disgrace the Temple Mount," otherwise known as the Dome of the Rock.Perhaps TKC was talking about different "Muslim Abominations," but cleary from his website he is not someone to be trifled with. He means business and is not afraid to speak his mind. So I wouldn't be surprised by such polemical posts on this topic, it's just his style and manner of being.
posted by chaz at 9:40 PM on August 28, 2002


I meant that it would be impossible for you to comprehend my so called bigotry.

Your "so called bigotry" is, I'm guessing, nothing but fundamentalism. It's garbage when it comes from Christians like Falwell, and it's garbage when it comes from Jews like...well, we'll leave that open until we see more of what you're capable of offering this community.

I look forward to watching you uphold the fascinating intellectual tradition of Talmudic debate, Moses Maimonides, the Baal Shem Tov and Baruch Spinoza. I'm sure those rebbes and scholars would be simply overjoyed at your MeFi style.
posted by mediareport at 11:36 PM on August 28, 2002


Miguel;

I love how you break things down into parts that are understandable.

Thank you for your good work and your efforts!
posted by yertledaturtle at 12:25 AM on August 29, 2002


metaforth: Ray is being discriminated against because of his ethnicity (Palestinian), not his citizenship (American).

I've met a number of people who claim their nationality as Palestinian. It may not be a recognized nationality to many countries, but that's the whole point of claiming it.

Anti-Israeli discrimination is just thinly veiled anti-Jewish discrimination.

So not true. I'm Jewish and I'm not crazy about Israel, or most Israelis I've met, for that matter.

And a second to Miguel's points above.
posted by bingo at 3:57 AM on August 29, 2002


tkc, are you a Kahane guy?
posted by amberglow at 5:43 AM on August 29, 2002


Watch the interviews, I did, one on fox the other cnn.
Both of these guys insult themselves. Hananai was supposedly paid in full, even for the nights he was cancelled. Wow, lucky, pay w/o work. Mason, lucky just to be known. Again wow, pay w/o work. Both are getting press and both say they don't need each other. Then why are both mouths still going on and on......O' yea I forgot they're trying to be comedians.
posted by thomcatspike at 6:34 AM on August 29, 2002


thom, you're right--it's a goldmine for both of them. (I wonder if they planned this?) On CNN, Mason made sure to mention that he was in Chicago trying out material for his upcoming broadway show...
posted by amberglow at 7:00 AM on August 29, 2002


clavdivs,

LOL. Yeah, Mason's been milking the "Sinatra Tried to Have Me Whacked" thing for a while, hasn't he?

Nice civilized conversation here, mostly. Pleasant surprise.
posted by hackly_fracture at 7:39 AM on August 29, 2002


Romenesko links to a great follow-up story:

Hanania, who contributes columns to the Daily Herald, spread the word to the Wall Street Journal and other media outlets.

"You don't do that," said Linda Moses, general manager of Zanies comedy clubs. "You never try to usurp the star."


Finally, something truly funny. A farshtinkener Palestinian usurping the great Jackie Mason? The chutzpah! Hanania disputes the club's disparaging version of events, of course, claiming that he got permission from the club to hype the unusual nature of the show. My current best guess is the club said yes without talking to Mason's people and is now covering its ass. Interesting, too, that Mason calls Hanania anti-Semitic for criticizing Sharon as a "Nazi-like killer" on his site. He also dismisses the fact that Hanania is married to a Jew with a real classic: "There are a lot of self-hating Jews out there." Yeah, like the half of the Israeli population who want to give the territories back, right?

Oy. I need another laugh. Jackie Mason: I love Palestinians.
posted by mediareport at 7:54 AM on August 29, 2002


I'd forgotten this angle -- Hanania's a little mobbed up, with uncomfortably close associations to the Cicero corruption by our local genteel Sopranos. It's why he don't work for the downtown papers no more. Sort of a character study, that piece, with both praise and calumny; backhanded defense from an ex-colleague. Key point is that he's always trying a million different ways to make money, and always wants to be liked; his foray into comedy is a self-described attempt to improve the image of Arab-Americans.
posted by dhartung at 8:13 AM on August 29, 2002


Thanks, dhartung; that adds a lot. Hanania looks like a real opportunist. The column also provides Mason's full quote about Hanania's wife, btw:

"I don't care if he's married to a Jewish woman. To me, it means nothing. There are a lot of self-hating Jews around. Who knows what her attitude is or why she's married to him? I know people who are married to a black girl, but they hate black people. They happen to love that girl. She's a sexy number, and he gets horny at four o'clock in the morning, so she appeals to him."

Gotta love that Borscht Belt humor.
posted by mediareport at 8:43 AM on August 29, 2002


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