The Cost Of Doing Business
September 26, 2022 2:19 PM Subscribe
After dealing with a number of personal and social issues throughout the pandemic, Innuendo Studio has another part to the Alt-Right Playbook, in which the way in which white supremacy is handled between white moderates and conservatives is broken down, and how the marginalized become the tokens in a game between those two groups.
A transcript of the video is available here.
A transcript of the video is available here.
just read the transcript. that is some powerful food for thought. the author really captures and explicates these dynamics in a very useful and clear way. its always about power (and money). racism is a tool the powerful use to maintain their positions.
posted by supermedusa at 3:12 PM on September 26, 2022 [5 favorites]
posted by supermedusa at 3:12 PM on September 26, 2022 [5 favorites]
"hate-clicks are still clicks."
I think I'm over this, and I still struggle. I see lots of good people every day sucked into the engagement with bullshit.
I think we have to learn to disengage, ignore, and not give them oxygen. But I hear that is also perilous, and it's also wrong to tell people how to feel/react/respond.
Anti-fascist has to be anti-racist, but I wish I could find more direct advice.
posted by SaltySalticid at 4:42 PM on September 26, 2022 [7 favorites]
I think I'm over this, and I still struggle. I see lots of good people every day sucked into the engagement with bullshit.
I think we have to learn to disengage, ignore, and not give them oxygen. But I hear that is also perilous, and it's also wrong to tell people how to feel/react/respond.
Anti-fascist has to be anti-racist, but I wish I could find more direct advice.
posted by SaltySalticid at 4:42 PM on September 26, 2022 [7 favorites]
I see lots of good people every day sucked into the engagement with bullshit.
It's because we're taught that this is what we're supposed to do, how we're supposed to show good faith towards people who routinely abuse it because to hold them accountable for their conduct would be the true moral failing. Again, a large part of Danskin's argument comes down to "if you're actually opposed to racism - why are you listening to the people who are giving credence to the open racists?"
Anti-fascist has to be anti-racist, but I wish I could find more direct advice.
Danskin gives a great piece when he shows the various books written by POC - listen to what the actual marginalized communities want, and act accordingly. (He also points out that these groups aren't monoliths, so you need to listen to many voices here.) He also points out that we need to recognize that racism is about power, and let that guide our reactions - as was pointed out, provocateurs want small protests they can frame as ineffectual, but large protests that show their position to be actually unpopular undermine them, as we see over in this thread on the conservative response to the rejection by Kansas voters of their anti-abortion proposition.
posted by NoxAeternum at 11:59 PM on September 26, 2022 [6 favorites]
It's because we're taught that this is what we're supposed to do, how we're supposed to show good faith towards people who routinely abuse it because to hold them accountable for their conduct would be the true moral failing. Again, a large part of Danskin's argument comes down to "if you're actually opposed to racism - why are you listening to the people who are giving credence to the open racists?"
Anti-fascist has to be anti-racist, but I wish I could find more direct advice.
Danskin gives a great piece when he shows the various books written by POC - listen to what the actual marginalized communities want, and act accordingly. (He also points out that these groups aren't monoliths, so you need to listen to many voices here.) He also points out that we need to recognize that racism is about power, and let that guide our reactions - as was pointed out, provocateurs want small protests they can frame as ineffectual, but large protests that show their position to be actually unpopular undermine them, as we see over in this thread on the conservative response to the rejection by Kansas voters of their anti-abortion proposition.
posted by NoxAeternum at 11:59 PM on September 26, 2022 [6 favorites]
I think we have to learn to disengage, ignore, and not give them oxygen. But I hear that is also perilous, and it's also wrong to tell people how to feel/react/respond.
Yes, it is. Boy howdy is it ever.
Case study 1: Kiwi Farms. Originally created to make fun of autistic person and possibly most documented human Chris-Chan, it branched out to other 'lolcows' - inventing the concept in the process - and became more and more vile over time. For literal years, the advice among its targets was to just ignore them and not give them oxygen. This didn't work, because Kiwi Farms had enough members to have its own stable, growing ecosystem. It was only when one of their targets, the trans Twitch streamer Keffals, started the #DropKiwiFarms movement that enough people started contacting KF's hosts and DDOS protection companies to get the site shut down. As the end of the latest Playbook video shows, too few people showing up gives them more of a platform, but enough people showing up will defeat them.
Case study 2: Stonetoss. THE number one alt-right web cartoonist. Better at being subtle with his messaging (and hiding his identity, though there's people working on that) than any other. His comics have spread extremely far and had a massive influence. Stonetoss's response to his opponents is that they're making a massive mistake that is helping him enormously - they're spreading the word at ALL (recently, he outright said this in his version of the Invincible 'Think X Think' meme). But Stonetoss isn't stupid, and definitely knows that you never correct your enemies when they're making a mistake. He's actually using a known alt-right tactic concocted on /pol/ in 2018 - Thanks For Pushing Normal People Even Further To The Right (warning: search results of a 4chan archive site) - and trying to trick the left into just leaving the alt-right alone.
The triumph of evil requires only that good people do nothing.
posted by BiggerJ at 7:12 PM on September 27, 2022 [9 favorites]
Yes, it is. Boy howdy is it ever.
Case study 1: Kiwi Farms. Originally created to make fun of autistic person and possibly most documented human Chris-Chan, it branched out to other 'lolcows' - inventing the concept in the process - and became more and more vile over time. For literal years, the advice among its targets was to just ignore them and not give them oxygen. This didn't work, because Kiwi Farms had enough members to have its own stable, growing ecosystem. It was only when one of their targets, the trans Twitch streamer Keffals, started the #DropKiwiFarms movement that enough people started contacting KF's hosts and DDOS protection companies to get the site shut down. As the end of the latest Playbook video shows, too few people showing up gives them more of a platform, but enough people showing up will defeat them.
Case study 2: Stonetoss. THE number one alt-right web cartoonist. Better at being subtle with his messaging (and hiding his identity, though there's people working on that) than any other. His comics have spread extremely far and had a massive influence. Stonetoss's response to his opponents is that they're making a massive mistake that is helping him enormously - they're spreading the word at ALL (recently, he outright said this in his version of the Invincible 'Think X Think' meme). But Stonetoss isn't stupid, and definitely knows that you never correct your enemies when they're making a mistake. He's actually using a known alt-right tactic concocted on /pol/ in 2018 - Thanks For Pushing Normal People Even Further To The Right (warning: search results of a 4chan archive site) - and trying to trick the left into just leaving the alt-right alone.
The triumph of evil requires only that good people do nothing.
posted by BiggerJ at 7:12 PM on September 27, 2022 [9 favorites]
Allyship resources linked from the video's description section:
John Raible's checklist for white allies
Accomplices, not Allies
List of resources from Dismantle Collective
Interview with Ijeoma Oluo on how to be a better ally
The difference between decency and equity
Better allyship in the workplace
Don't just join a book club plz
White people often see themselves as better allies than they are
If you have wealth, put it where your mouth is
Books mentioned in the video:
Stamped from the Beginning, by Ibram X. Kendi
Sister Outsider, by Audre Lorde
The New Jim Crow, by Michelle Alexander
James Baldwin: Collected Essays
Killing Rage, by bell hooks
posted by AlSweigart at 7:47 PM on September 27, 2022 [6 favorites]
John Raible's checklist for white allies
Accomplices, not Allies
List of resources from Dismantle Collective
Interview with Ijeoma Oluo on how to be a better ally
The difference between decency and equity
Better allyship in the workplace
Don't just join a book club plz
White people often see themselves as better allies than they are
If you have wealth, put it where your mouth is
Books mentioned in the video:
Stamped from the Beginning, by Ibram X. Kendi
Sister Outsider, by Audre Lorde
The New Jim Crow, by Michelle Alexander
James Baldwin: Collected Essays
Killing Rage, by bell hooks
posted by AlSweigart at 7:47 PM on September 27, 2022 [6 favorites]
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Intersectionality or GTFO.
posted by rmd1023 at 3:04 PM on September 26, 2022 [18 favorites]