The Nakba Never Ended
May 15, 2023 12:12 AM Subscribe
A speech by and an interview with Representative Rashida Tlaib, remembering the Nakba/The Palestinian Catastrophe. (mp3; Angela Davis's message begins at 14:25, Tlaib's speech starts at 22:22 and interview at 33:33)
They are certainly going to be the most hated person in congress now, good on them.
posted by Artw at 9:03 AM on May 15, 2023 [1 favorite]
posted by Artw at 9:03 AM on May 15, 2023 [1 favorite]
Rep. Tlaib uses she/her pronouns.
posted by Etrigan at 9:25 AM on May 15, 2023 [3 favorites]
posted by Etrigan at 9:25 AM on May 15, 2023 [3 favorites]
Well done, Representative Tlaib!
Watching what is happening in Palestine/Israel, the things that get to me change daily. Sometimes the worst part is the way opportunities are stolen from Palestinian children inside Israel; other times, it's the way Israel stole the libraries (private as well as public) in '48 and '67, and prohibited the importing of books "from enemy countries", which is where books in Arabic were printed; still other times, it's knowing how Israel uses levers of power against people - such as requiring people to agree to inform on their neighbors as the "price" of being permitted to receive medical care.
And then, of course, there are the weeks when Israel shoots, and the collateral damage appears in the form of smiling pictures, children who will not grow up.
It's ongoing, it's heartbreaking, and I dearly hope it stops and a full recovery of Palestinian rights and access to resources will happen soon. There are still people around who survived '48 - and many people who survived '67. Restitution can happen. It would be better for everyone, I think.
posted by Shunra at 11:04 AM on May 15, 2023 [19 favorites]
Watching what is happening in Palestine/Israel, the things that get to me change daily. Sometimes the worst part is the way opportunities are stolen from Palestinian children inside Israel; other times, it's the way Israel stole the libraries (private as well as public) in '48 and '67, and prohibited the importing of books "from enemy countries", which is where books in Arabic were printed; still other times, it's knowing how Israel uses levers of power against people - such as requiring people to agree to inform on their neighbors as the "price" of being permitted to receive medical care.
And then, of course, there are the weeks when Israel shoots, and the collateral damage appears in the form of smiling pictures, children who will not grow up.
It's ongoing, it's heartbreaking, and I dearly hope it stops and a full recovery of Palestinian rights and access to resources will happen soon. There are still people around who survived '48 - and many people who survived '67. Restitution can happen. It would be better for everyone, I think.
posted by Shunra at 11:04 AM on May 15, 2023 [19 favorites]
Palestinian or Israeli it doesn't matter if you want to find something outrageous the other side did you can find it and you don't have to look back to 47-48 or 67. Sometimes I wonder if people heard the phrase "An eye for an eye makes the. whole world blind" as a challenge, not a warning. It feels so hopeless these days, after such optimism we had in the 1990s.
posted by interogative mood at 1:45 PM on May 15, 2023 [2 favorites]
posted by interogative mood at 1:45 PM on May 15, 2023 [2 favorites]
Palestinian or Israeli it doesn't matter
I rather think it does matter, especially in the context of this thread
posted by elkevelvet at 3:31 PM on May 15, 2023 [12 favorites]
I rather think it does matter, especially in the context of this thread
posted by elkevelvet at 3:31 PM on May 15, 2023 [12 favorites]
There is absolutely nothing comparable in scale to what the Haganah/Israelis did to the Palestinians——especially the rural villager—-in 1947 and 1948. Nothing. To suggest otherwise is to engage in the denial of ethnic cleansing.
posted by MisantropicPainforest at 4:28 PM on May 15, 2023 [11 favorites]
posted by MisantropicPainforest at 4:28 PM on May 15, 2023 [11 favorites]
Mod note: Please refrain from derailing this thread any further with both-sides statements and/or arguing with users etc. The thread is focused on the speeches of Rashida Tlaib and Angela Davis, with the Nakba being the topic of their speeches. Let's keep it focused on just that.
posted by travelingthyme (staff) at 6:34 PM on May 15, 2023 [4 favorites]
posted by travelingthyme (staff) at 6:34 PM on May 15, 2023 [4 favorites]
Thanks for posting this kliuless.
It's important that the Nakba is not forgotten and it's also important to make the unaware, aware.
posted by adamvasco at 3:53 PM on May 16, 2023 [3 favorites]
It's important that the Nakba is not forgotten and it's also important to make the unaware, aware.
posted by adamvasco at 3:53 PM on May 16, 2023 [3 favorites]
Recovering from Gaza fighting, Palestinians mark 1948 Nakba [archive] - "In 1948, Intisar Muhana's family fled al-Masmiyya village, northeast of Gaza during the war which accompanied the creation of Israel. Last week, she lost her home again when it was destroyed during Israeli airstrikes... 'They smashed the one in al-Masmiyya and we came here. Now they have done it again and we have ended up with nothing,' Muhana said. 'We have nothing there and now we have nothing here.'"
The Alliance Between Israel and India w/ Azad Essa - "Growing conservatism among religious nationalist movements is threatening people without political power across borders. On today's episode, we look at the colonial, military and political connections between India and its conservative Hindutva movement, and Israel's zionist movement. The lands of both these countries were British colonies, and their political development since formal colonial times have included religious and ethnic partitions and borders – with Palestine on the one side and Pakistan and the Kashmir on the other. They have also built powerful military partnerships and share a growing military-industrial relationship. We are joined by Azad Essa, a South African journalist who covers US foreign policy, Islamophobia and race in the US for Middle East Eye. His new book, just out on Pluto Press, is called Hostile Homelands: The New Alliance Between India and Israel."
posted by kliuless at 11:42 PM on May 17, 2023 [1 favorite]
Around 5.6 million Palestinian refugees - mainly the descendants of those who were forced to flee - currently live in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza. About half of registered refugees remain stateless, according to the Palestinian foreign ministry, many living in crowded camps.This Year Marks the 75th Anniversary of the Nakba - "Rashid Khalidi is the Edward Said Professor of Modern Arab Studies at Columbia University. His most recent book is The Hundred Years' War On Palestine: A History of Settler Colonialism and Resistance, 1917-2017."
This year the United Nations will commemorate the Nakba for the first time. In the West Bank, where Palestinians exercise limited self-governance under Israeli military rule, a siren will sound for 75 seconds to mark 75 years since the Nakba.
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Israeli Foreign Minister Eli Cohen said Israeli diplomats had worked to dissuade other countries from participating in the U.N. event. "We shall fight the falsehood that is the 'Nakba' with all our power and we will not allow the Palestinians to continue spreading lies and twist history," he said, indicating that Israel did not agree with the Palestinians' view of what happened in 1948.
The Alliance Between Israel and India w/ Azad Essa - "Growing conservatism among religious nationalist movements is threatening people without political power across borders. On today's episode, we look at the colonial, military and political connections between India and its conservative Hindutva movement, and Israel's zionist movement. The lands of both these countries were British colonies, and their political development since formal colonial times have included religious and ethnic partitions and borders – with Palestine on the one side and Pakistan and the Kashmir on the other. They have also built powerful military partnerships and share a growing military-industrial relationship. We are joined by Azad Essa, a South African journalist who covers US foreign policy, Islamophobia and race in the US for Middle East Eye. His new book, just out on Pluto Press, is called Hostile Homelands: The New Alliance Between India and Israel."
posted by kliuless at 11:42 PM on May 17, 2023 [1 favorite]
NPR has had a couple of a good segments on the Nabka in the last few days. One on how a Palestinians try to stay connected to the village they lost. And another more general segment.
Also worth reading is the autobiographical book Blood Brothers about the authors life starting with becoming a refugee. It is a very sad that this was published in 1984 and almost 40 years later the same issues traumatize more generations.
The Nabka was a huge moment in the formation of the modern Palestinian identity as a nation. Many Israelis still don’t think of Palestinians as anything more than Arabs. They openly deny that there are Palestinians, just Arabs who can go live in some other Arab land. We hear a lot about HAMAS and the right of Israel to exist, but seldom about Israeli politicians denial of the the same for Palestinians. I don’t mean to raise a both sides argument but just point out how much context is omitted in discussion this issue and how it has shaped conclusions and political viewpoints.
posted by interogative mood at 9:46 AM on May 18, 2023 [1 favorite]
Also worth reading is the autobiographical book Blood Brothers about the authors life starting with becoming a refugee. It is a very sad that this was published in 1984 and almost 40 years later the same issues traumatize more generations.
The Nabka was a huge moment in the formation of the modern Palestinian identity as a nation. Many Israelis still don’t think of Palestinians as anything more than Arabs. They openly deny that there are Palestinians, just Arabs who can go live in some other Arab land. We hear a lot about HAMAS and the right of Israel to exist, but seldom about Israeli politicians denial of the the same for Palestinians. I don’t mean to raise a both sides argument but just point out how much context is omitted in discussion this issue and how it has shaped conclusions and political viewpoints.
posted by interogative mood at 9:46 AM on May 18, 2023 [1 favorite]
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