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Jeb Bush, comedian. "It looks like the people of San Francisco are an endangered species, which may not be a bad thing. That's probably good news for the country."
posted by the fire you left me (50 comments total)

 
Okay, so let's see, Willie laughed it off but the GLBT community is highly insulted because SF has a high percentage of GLBT peoples and they thought that Jeb was making fun of them?

Um, I'm not sure but I think I missed something. How is joking that SF is endangered a slight against the GLBT community?

I think it was a stupid thing to say but I don't think he intended to deride gay people.

And, just for the record, San Francisco's population is not entirely comprised of GLBT's, there are a few heteros in there as well.
posted by fenriq at 12:11 PM on November 13, 2003


A lot of us gay people in San Francisco are a bit sensitive about lots of San Franciscans dying. Which is not to say I think 'Jeb' intended it that way, he's not smart enough.

As dumb as Jeb's joke sounds, I'm not a big fan of running every off-hand comment from a politician through a fine filter.
posted by Nelson at 12:16 PM on November 13, 2003


fenriq - being a Florida native who now lives in the bay area, I can tell you that the typical southern bigot's perception of San Francisco is that it's "Fag Town".
Comments about the destruction of San Franciso and it's fags and freaks are common, as those of us who have to go home for the holidays can testify.
posted by 2sheets at 12:19 PM on November 13, 2003


Pretty off-color, but it was a joke. To equate it with Republican politics is disingenuous. Not that a mistake justifies another, but I've seen lots of anti-heterosexual jokes and stuff in, say, Will and Grace-- not to mention the breeders/bleeders epithets etc.
posted by 111 at 12:23 PM on November 13, 2003


Ahh, thanks for the localization of the comment, 2sheets. I guess, in that light, it could easily be seen as a jab by Jeb.

Nothing like dividing a nation against itself for some perceived political gain, is there?
posted by fenriq at 12:24 PM on November 13, 2003


Large parts of the country joke about losing large portions of california into the ocean someday. It's got nothing to do with sexual orientation, and lots to do with the unstable ground out there.

(Now, I'll admit that many republicans often end the comment with the sooner the better, but even then it's not sexual orientation, it's political.)
posted by piper28 at 12:27 PM on November 13, 2003


He said he was joking right afterwards, and that he was referring to republicans in SF, though I have a hard time believing that (I read the joke as "death to all lefty cranks in SF, hahahahahah!" which is dumb, but forgettable)
posted by mathowie at 12:37 PM on November 13, 2003


Actually, it was Jeb Bush's spokesman Jacob DiPietre who "corrected" the record about whom Bush was referring to. And as one blogger at Crooked Timber put it:

"I suspect the only thing in danger though is Mr DiPietre’s credibility."
posted by pitchblende at 12:44 PM on November 13, 2003


Pretty off-color, but it was a joke. To equate it with Republican politics is disingenuous.

Because, you know, Republicans, boy do they love the gay.

"The Cabinet was talking about endangered species and everyone knows that Republicans are an endangered species in California."

So, which California is this again? It's not the one that just elected a scumbag Republican meathead to be their new governor, is it? Surely not the same California that gave us Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan....
posted by majcher at 12:51 PM on November 13, 2003


Equating republican politics with jokes is dangerous. They have no sense of humour.
posted by Space Coyote at 12:56 PM on November 13, 2003


Ah shucks, it's nothing that a force 18 super hurricane wouldn't cure. Florida could use a good ol fashioned southern cleanin.
posted by damnitkage at 12:58 PM on November 13, 2003


meanwhile, Dean is hung from the rafters for allegedly dissing rednecks.
posted by mcsweetie at 12:58 PM on November 13, 2003


yeah, i gotta agree with the statement as offensive to homosexuals and homosexual-rights advocates (and possibly intended that way).

although most of us would equate san francisco with liberal politics (though not nearly as liberal as most people assume), the majority of the country equates san francisco with homosexuality.

as an SF resident, i wasn't really offended. it's Jeb Bush, after all. now Willie Brown's response ... what an asshat. i can't believe i used to like him when he was in state government.
posted by mrgrimm at 1:00 PM on November 13, 2003


San Francisco is Republican code for something, and I'm still trying to work out exactly what. Liberal? Gay? Degenerate? I'm not sure.

For some reason, I received a fundraising letter from the RNC yesterday. In it, they refer to "San Francisco Liberal, Nancy Pelosi..." Now, later they talk about Tom Daschle, but he is not called "South Dakota Liberal". The words San Francisco are a talisman, a symbol for something that the GOP hates. Hey, I live here and I think it's great, what are these GOP yahoos so afraid of?
posted by pejamo at 1:10 PM on November 13, 2003




"Hey, folks, I'm not saying that all liberals are queers, I'm saying all queers are liberals.

Bigots, help me out here.

Is this on?"
posted by basilwhite at 1:16 PM on November 13, 2003


Hmmm. Must be time for a little reverse deliverance.

posted by Twang at 1:20 PM on November 13, 2003


I only wish this were where the party ends. Said it before I'll say it again. Any homosexual who votes republican is also a masochist. I'll just sit here wondering how you can stand by your racist friends. Oh one more thing. We begin bombing in five minutes... Nah, just kidding.
posted by ZachsMind at 1:29 PM on November 13, 2003


Not that a mistake justifies another, but I've seen lots of anti-heterosexual jokes and stuff in, say, Will and Grace-- not to mention the breeders/bleeders epithets etc.

Were heterosexual people an oppressed group, attacked politically and physically on a daily basis because of their sexual orientation; were people of heterosexual persuasion killed for it, spat on, and taunted by their peers and community leaders; were heterosexuals kicked in the teeth by the American government by its repeated statements against the mere idea of gay marriage, smacked upside the head in the UK and forbidden to be mentioned in class rooms, and were monuments to straight victims' descent into hell erected by religious groups; if "that's so het!" slang for "that's the stupidest thing ever," and "you breeder!" meant "you degenerate loser," you might have a case here.
posted by Hildegarde at 1:34 PM on November 13, 2003


Any homosexual who votes republican is also a masochist. I'll just sit here wondering how you can stand by your racist friends

What do homosexuals have to do with racists? Are there no homosexual racists? And believe it or not, not everyone is only defined by their race/sexual orientation.
posted by gyc at 1:57 PM on November 13, 2003


"...now Willie Brown's response ... what an asshat. i can't believe i used to like him when he was in state government."

I can't believe you used to like him either.

You'd think that taking over $750,000 in tobacco money during his career would be a big clue as to his ethics. In 1987, Brown was co-author of a bill that made it impossible for Californians who suffer from smoking-related illnesses to sue tobacco firms for damages. This bill was called the "Napkin Deal", as Brown wrote up the deal with the big tobacco representatives on a napkin at a restauraunt in Sacramento.

I've been to some of the most sordid places in San Francisco, but voting for Willie? Now *THAT* would make me want to take a shower...
posted by insomnia_lj at 2:03 PM on November 13, 2003


Whether or not I take offense at this remark changes little about the fact that Jeb Bush is an asshole.
posted by scarabic at 2:06 PM on November 13, 2003


scarabic, asshole is passe, to be hip you've gotta call him an asshat or assmaster or assmonkey.

But you are right, the only good Bush is a drunk and horny Jenna
posted by fenriq at 2:17 PM on November 13, 2003


Ha! Can't wait for Jeb to become President! *hilarity ensues*
posted by Quartermass at 2:21 PM on November 13, 2003


Because, you know, Republicans, boy do they love the gay

Opinions about homosexuality are not simply love or hate. There are gradations, and everybody has a natural right to distance themselves from whatever they consider abnormal or unhealthy to them and their families. At any rate, saying that all Republicans are homophobes is like saying all homosexuals have STDs. It's false and insulting.

Hildegarde, first the bad news: to a certain extent, homosexuals will be derided and attacked forever, because there's no way around a common sense approach towards how nature works and how people should act. We should spare no effort in order to have a society where people are not sexually/racially/religiously labelled, but there will never be a prejudice-free world. That's a totalitarian nightmare. Get over it now.
Now your depiction of homosexual life on the West (USA/ UK) is, appropriately enough, dramatic, but statistically unrealistic. It does not translate into real life for most gays, or else there would be no bars/neighborhoods /TV shows etc for homosexuals. Jeb's comment was inappropriate but it was also quite ambiguous and open-ended, so the reactions do reflect the subconscious worldview of many people out there re homosexuals.
posted by 111 at 2:23 PM on November 13, 2003


Jeb's comment was inappropriate but it was also quite ambiguous and open-ended

Much like Jeb himself.

[/irresistible]
posted by WolfDaddy at 2:32 PM on November 13, 2003


I think the real endangered species is a true Statesman in Florida who doesn't have to tap into the bigot vote with such inflammatory statements as this.

Well, when the truth finally DOES come home to roost on his doorstep, I think we'll all enjoy a great and festive PERP-WALK FOR BUSH!

Oh yeah, maybe I was just kidding.

(from one of the straight-but-nonetheless endangered species in San Francisco)
posted by jackspace at 2:49 PM on November 13, 2003


I wish these fossils getting all worked over homosexuality would focus their energies on something actually bad and not just imagined to be bad, like poverty. or uh, war.
posted by mcsweetie at 2:53 PM on November 13, 2003


San Francisco is Republican code for something, and I'm still trying to work out exactly what. Liberal? Gay? Degenerate? I'm not sure.

Let's just say 'all of the above' (he snarked).

In light of the "echo chamber" discussion on MetaTalk I'd like to say to 111, you've been a good representative for Republicans/Conservatives in this thread: much less trollish than you've been before. Keep it up, it's good for the 'Filter.

As for the comments about Willie Brown, they help to demonstrate to readers of all political shades that politicians like him are not representative of all Liberals, and especially not of MetaFilter Liberals.

You may now resume your cheap shots about the Bush family...
posted by wendell at 3:01 PM on November 13, 2003


I can't believe someone could be so dumb as to stereotype all San Franciscans as gay. Don't they know San Francisco is full of out-of-work programmers, too?
posted by msacheson at 3:03 PM on November 13, 2003


> Not that a mistake justifies another, but I've seen lots of anti-heterosexual
> jokes and stuff in, say, Will and Grace-- not to mention the breeders/bleeders
> epithets etc.

Get used to the assymetry, 111. Because of past discrimination gays will always be able to joke about straights but never vice versa, just as blacks will always be able to joke about whites but never vice versa, Jews will always be able to joke about gentiles but never vice versa, and so on. As Hildegarde makes abundantly clear, the effects of past oppression are incurable and will never fade. Even to hope for symmetrical relations is further oppression.
posted by jfuller at 3:04 PM on November 13, 2003


asshole is passe, to be hip you've gotta call him an asshat or assmaster or assmonkey.

What happened to assclown?
posted by homunculus at 3:08 PM on November 13, 2003


"San Francisco" is Republican code for something...

Republican rhetoric has always been full of codewords. In the 80's, Republicans liked the term "New York Liberal," which pretty clearly meant "Jews." There's also the "Massachusetts Liberal," which means "some asshole with more education than you." "San Francisco Liberal" has been around for a couple of years. I think that it's supposed to suggest either that the person's a gay homosexual or some tree-hugging flake.
posted by Mayor Curley at 3:11 PM on November 13, 2003


"asshole is passe"

I disagree. Although asshats, assmasters, and assmonkeys are all very popular right now, I think they're really a better alternative to the phrase "dumbass". Asshole, however, is unique, in that it implies a degree of sentinent maliciousness that a mere assclown couldn't hope to obtain.

Don't just love the whole ass. Love the asshole. Thank you.
posted by insomnia_lj at 3:21 PM on November 13, 2003


Damn! Homonculus, that was the one I was trying to remember, from Office Space where Michael Bolton is talking about the singer Michael Bolton and what an assclown he is. Thanks for solving that one for me!
posted by fenriq at 3:51 PM on November 13, 2003


Because of past discrimination gays will always be able to joke about straights but never vice versa, just as blacks will always be able to joke about whites but never vice versa, Jews will always be able to joke about gentiles but never vice versa, and so on.

You take a very short view of "always."

I think that it's supposed to suggest either that the person's a gay homosexual or some tree-hugging flake.

Hmm...so what's the term for a sad homosexual?
posted by rushmc at 3:57 PM on November 13, 2003


gay homosexual, from the Department of Redundancy Department.
Just because you agree with somebody doesn't mean you're not allowed to ridicule their writing.

Me, I reserve the right to joke about anybody in particular, but it's the generalized group joking that usually just doesn't ring true to me. (And you know, it's only funny if it's true.) Just as nerdy blacks and smart blondes have provided some of the better characters in sitcoms (until they got overused into new stereotypes), a gay Republican may be just what "Will and Grace" needs.

Anyway, here's an excerpt from the Republican Field Guide to California Liberals

San Francisco Liberal: very gay.

Marin County Liberal: tree-hugger.

Silicon Valley Liberal: lost it all in the dot-com bust, now wants welfare.

Fresno Liberal: illegal alien farmworker.

Los Angeles Liberal: Barbra Streisand

Orange County Liberal: illegal alien housekeeper for an Orange County Conservative.

San Diego Liberal: no longer exists; the last one was burned out in last month's fires.
posted by wendell at 4:31 PM on November 13, 2003


Will and Grace has, in fact, shown gay Republicans.

***BIG PLOT SPOILERS***
There was a great episode in which Will and Grace were each supporting different candidates for city council--Will was supporting "the gay guy", and Grace was supporting "the Jewish woman." They wound up hosting competing cocktail parties for each candidate's supporters in their apartment. When "the gay guy" turned out to be an ultra-right-wing guy (asked about his solution for New York's homelessness problem, he said that they should be given meals and a shower [applause from Will] and a one-way bus ticket out of town [look of horror from Will]), Grace was triumphant--until her candidate began her speech by saying "It's wonderful to see so many white faces here tonight."

The stinger to that episode was the absolute best, though; Will and Grace were sitting dejectedly on the couch, when Jack came in and said, "Have you guys voted yet?" W&G said, "Oh, no, we've learned our lesson--we just don't know enough about the issues and we don't want to vote for superficial reasons." Jack looked at them and said, "Okay then, but I voted for the black guy." Will and Grace look at each other and say, "There's a black guy?!?" They jump off the couch, grab their coats, and race for the door.


Oh, and 111, do you have any specifics of the "anti-heterosexual humor" of "Will and Grace"? Because I watch it pretty faithfully, and I've never seen any.
posted by Sidhedevil at 4:52 PM on November 13, 2003


I'm gay, live in SF, and come from the South.
But I take no offense at Jeb's offhand jab.
He's just funnin', jivin', runnin' at the mouth.
As for pointing to us in particular, I'll take a stab:

SF voted against Arnold in the last election,
with the highest percentage in the entire state.
Republican strategists probably often discuss this rejection,
and know they'll never convert those of us at Ashbury-Haight.

Of course, about this distinction I'm particularly proud.
So forgive, I will, Jeb, and complain about it I won't.
(Of course, if San Fran soon goes up in a mushroom cloud,
his comment might mean more, and forget I hope the rest of you don't.)
posted by troybob at 5:14 PM on November 13, 2003


Actually, San Franciscans are probably a dwindling population. My hometown has very few San Franciscans left in it -- most of us can't even dream of affording to live in the modest middle-class homes we grew up in, so we move away -- and a great many carpetbaggers. That many of the carpetbaggers (especially but by no means exclusively queer folk fleeing the oppression of the flat, square, flyover places) add much to the vibrancy of the city is no matter: San Franciscans are few and far between.

But since we're such annoyingly, arrogantly smug bastards, that's probably a good thing.
posted by majick at 5:50 PM on November 13, 2003


*watches everyone's points sail artistically over 111's head*

More gay sex among the royals, please!
posted by Hildegarde at 6:06 PM on November 13, 2003


Of course if one follows the evidence, it's plain to see that California will not fall into the ocean, but will instead leave the rest of the continental U.S. to hang out with Hawaii and Alaska. Doubleyew Tee Eff.
posted by ZachsMind at 6:38 PM on November 13, 2003


Just because you agree with somebody doesn't mean you're not allowed to ridicule their writing.

The redundancy was to suggest ignorance. Jesus Christ, I'm not retarded. I'm a Massachusetts Liberal!
posted by Mayor Curley at 7:14 PM on November 13, 2003


Sorry, Mayor C, I was just following rushmc, who made fun of you first

From the National Edition of the Field Guide to Liberals:
Massachusetts Liberal: Someone who has had sex with a Kennedy.
Am I Politically Incorrect yet?

And good plot synopsis, Sidhedevil, that's another show I can safely delete from my TiVo. However, I was more thinking about putting a regular or recurring character on that series...

posted by wendell at 7:27 PM on November 13, 2003


Gee, the parser made my bit of bogus HTML disappear into the source code. See, after the "rushmc, who made fun of you first" it was supposed to say: pointing frantically. Where's the non-judgemental canned laughter when you need it?
posted by wendell at 7:32 PM on November 13, 2003


I was just following rushmc, who made fun of you first

"Made fun of" is so harsh, geez! Just a little friendly ribbing!
posted by rushmc at 8:32 PM on November 13, 2003


Were heterosexual people an oppressed group, attacked politically and physically... [rant on] ...you might have a case here.

Why, yes. Of course. Because two wrongs do make a right, right?

This is also why women, who have traditionally not been much into mass murder, should really get off their asses and achieve a little equality. Because, you know, women were subjugated to men for so many centuries. So it's only right for them to do what men do. Get out there and kill, Kill, KILL!, ladies!

Remember: it's not what you do, it's what's been done to you.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:02 PM on November 13, 2003


So it's only right for them to do what men do. Get out there and kill, Kill, KILL!, ladies!

Hollywood's allegedly liberal industry seems to be arguing exactly that, sadly


but I've seen lots of anti-heterosexual jokes and stuff in, say, Will and Grace--
of course. I really feel for that new oppressed minority, the heterosexuals. especially the white heterosexuals -- those damn black radical lesbians ruling the world since, like, forever, are positively ruthless, I'll say

but there will never be a prejudice-free world. That's a totalitarian nightmare. Get over it now.

right on.

list of famous totalitarian people:
Jesus
Buddha
Martin Luther King
Nelson Mandela
etc

list of famous tolerant people:
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Joseph Goebbels
Jean Marie LePen
David Duke

I also hear that freedom is slavery, right?
posted by matteo at 1:24 AM on November 14, 2003


Any jab at a bush is a good jab to be had.

Yuck yuck yuck.

And to think it took a gay man to post that. Stra8s are soooo...
posted by Goofyy at 1:26 AM on November 14, 2003


I wonder which SF Supervisor Willie Brown thinks needs some alligator "companionship"...

He and Jeb, asshats both.
posted by obloquy at 5:19 PM on November 14, 2003


The context of the quote is clear, it was about the envornmental issues he was talking about. The head of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force is a reactionary moron, and does her cause no favours by convulsing in a hyper-allergic reaction to, well, nothing at all.

[I say this whilst declaring that I would happily see Jeb Bush hung by his testicles, whilst he watches as he is gutted with his intestines unfurled before his very eyes and consumed by mangy she-goats.]
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