It's about damn time.

April 29, 2005 9:33 AM

It's about damn time. Since 1966, Daylight Saving Time has not been in use in Indiana. After decades of attempts to change it, it came down to one flip vote at the proverbial last second to make it happen. Next up, Central Time Zone?
posted by internal (76 comments total)

Bosma said Woodruff was a portrait in political courage, saying the 34-year-old could end up paying for his vote at the ballot box.

Political courage is voting for daylight saving time?
posted by AlexReynolds at 9:35 AM on April 29, 2005

I guess they finally decided to go absolutely insane along with the rest of us.

Me? Oh, I like daylight savings time. I think it's such a great idea that we should have it all year 'round.
posted by koeselitz at 9:38 AM on April 29, 2005

Arizona and Hawaii are a little lonelier now. I grew up on the Indiana/Ohio border and switching time always seemed a bit loony to me.
posted by sciurus at 9:42 AM on April 29, 2005

Daylight Time
Editor, Times-Union:

John Kozon called yesterday. As cranked up about daylight-saving time as only John Kozon can get.

Did I miss something? I don't recall Daniels saying anything about the issue during the campaign. It's what I get for voting for a Washington insider. I normally vote Republican because until recently they have been the more conservative. Really wish I had voted for Joe this time.

I really think the state legislators have a lot more important things to do than horse around with the clocks. Daylight-saving time is nothing but a recreational issue. Never has been, never will be. It's another hour in the evening for people to spend outside and that's it.

What really makes me nervous is what Daniels feels we need to get in line on next.

Harold L. Kitson

(ed. note: oh how I long for my Indiana home!!)
posted by billysumday at 9:48 AM on April 29, 2005

here in arizona, where we have never (with the exception of one summer in 1967) observed daylight savings time (except on the navajo reservation lands) we find all the concern over this issue remotely interesting... we are sad that our lone stateside holdout, indiana, has abandoned us. alas, at least we still have american samoa and puerto rico... and hawaii, of course.
posted by RockyChrysler at 9:49 AM on April 29, 2005

Indiana, he said, has too many children who need help from the state, and too many people out of work. Instead of focusing on those problems, he said, the legislature had become absorbed in daylight-saving time. He'd supported the issue before, he said, but now he would vote no.

"I will always choose children over clocks," Crawford said.

This conflict comes up a LOT, does it?
posted by RichAromas at 10:04 AM on April 29, 2005

Alex, if you're not a Hoosier, you can't possibly understand how powerful the issue of changing clocks is in Indiana. With an economy that has never really recovered from the loss of manufacturing and agriculture jobs in the late 70s and 80s, and a brain drain that seemingly can't be stopped, DST was yet another nail in the lid of the state's economic coffin. This decision helps move my birth state one more step away from its instinctive provincialism.
posted by gsh at 10:06 AM on April 29, 2005

It amazes me how worked up people get over daylight saving time. Having said that, daylight saving time is a brilliant invention and anyone who opposes it is an idiot.
posted by Triplanetary at 10:10 AM on April 29, 2005

In these modern times, how can daylight savings time be considered a brilliant invention?
posted by SeizeTheDay at 10:17 AM on April 29, 2005

I am so pissed about this; how lovely for you Trip, that you can sit back and think all this agita is foolish. They're going to put us on Central time, which means in the winter, it'll start getting dark around here at 3.30 in the afternoon. Where're the savings, huh?
posted by headspace at 10:18 AM on April 29, 2005

Sheesh, why do we even need an Indiana State Legislature? I mean, if we're just going to go along with whatever the other states do, we might as well just outsource governance of the state to Illinois. Yes, I'm bitter.

Really wish I had voted for Joe this time.

IIRC, Democratic gubernatorial candidate Joe Kernan also supported a switch to DST, so that wouldn't have mattered.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 10:19 AM on April 29, 2005

You can take my lack of daylight savings when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
posted by Ndwright at 10:25 AM on April 29, 2005

Next up: let's change the name of Indiana University to "University of Indiana," since that's what clueless sports journalists outside the state call it. And if what we do confuses clueless people outside Indiana, obviously we have to change to accommodate them, rather than expecting them to get a clue.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 10:25 AM on April 29, 2005

Can't we just abolish it nationwide?

Having said that, daylight saving time is a brilliant invention and anyone who opposes it is an idiot.

I'd like to hear a little explanation on that. Or was it just a troll?
posted by blendor at 10:32 AM on April 29, 2005

RichAromas: ""I will always choose children over clocks," Crawford said.
This conflict comes up a LOT, does it?"

Tossing a clock across the room because it won't shut up isn't a crime. I choose clocks.
posted by Plutor at 10:34 AM on April 29, 2005

Political courage is voting for daylight saving time?

"Political courage" is the standard spin when you vote for something you promised your constituents you would vote against when you were running for office.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 10:36 AM on April 29, 2005

More Indiana legislative fun, from 1897.
posted by gimonca at 10:36 AM on April 29, 2005

Acchh, we hatessss it...nassty tricksy clock twiddling agri-fascism.

The one thing about Ben Franklin I don't idolize. Well, that and the gout.
posted by freebird at 10:42 AM on April 29, 2005

Why don't we just abolish DST and time zones in general? I mean... at this point in the world is it really going to hurt us to all use Greenwich mean?

You'll still be getting up at the same time, it's just that instead of it being 6:00am Central it would be 11:00.
posted by junyatwin at 10:44 AM on April 29, 2005

It amazes me how worked up people get over daylight saving time. - Triplanetary

It really is mind boggling. I come from the only Candian province that hasn't adopted DST. It's a very heated topic here, too.

DST comes up in the local papers every year without fail. While the rest of the country is switching, some editor decides to go off about why we should too, and then there's a flood of letters to the editor. People going off about how we should get with "modern times" and the rest of the continent and start changing the time, while other people go off about confusion for the cows. Neither side of the debate has ever seemed rational to me.
posted by raedyn at 10:56 AM on April 29, 2005

The climactic vote at 11:36 p.m. came after a half-hour of emotional testimony, in which lawmakers on both sides of the debate brushed away tears.

That's the funniest thing I've read all week, considering the context.

How embarassing for the state of Indiana.
posted by xmutex at 11:01 AM on April 29, 2005

Legal Affairs discussed this in its latest issue.

Frankly, my mind boggles at those whose minds are boggled by daylight savings time. What's so hard to understand about wanting more light in the evening?
posted by schoolgirl report at 11:02 AM on April 29, 2005

schoolgirl: Then why not just leaves the clocks at that time? The changing is what's silly.
posted by xmutex at 11:04 AM on April 29, 2005

The climactic vote at 11:36 p.m.

I thought the journalist writing this article missed a bit of comedy gold, there.

Really? 11:36pm? And, what "time" will the law go into effect?

God, the horrors of trying to get hide-bound people to decide on something like that is like trying to explain to a bunch of kids that midnight is actually 12:00 AM and noon is actually 12:00 PM (you get the response: "But how can it be AM...it's DARK outside?!?!")
posted by thanotopsis at 11:07 AM on April 29, 2005

In these modern times, how can daylight savings time be considered a brilliant invention?

It knocks down trees and kills people, that's how.

I like it. It heightens the difference between summer and winter. With DST, summer is even more summer with long slow days bleeding into late twilights, and winter is even more harsh and short-dayed by comparison. The shifts sort of mark the difference between coming-out-of-winter spring and going-into-summer spring, and between Indian-summer fall and gonna-be-winter-soon fall.

Almost all the clocks in the house change themselves automagically at this point anyway, so I don't have to do much except adjust my watch.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 11:16 AM on April 29, 2005

Headspace: That is simply wrong. If Indiana moves to the Central Time Zone, it will get dark around 4:30PM on the shortest day of the year, not 3:30PM. Why do I know this? I was raised in Evansville, which is in the Central Time Zone. For me, I love the idea of moving to Central, because it means the Sun will up when I wake up in the winter time, instead of it being pitch black like now.
posted by internal at 11:17 AM on April 29, 2005

Wasn't the original reason for DST to accomodate farmers? How much of the US population works on a farm now? Can't those few people just wake up earlier in the summer time? It's truly one of the most pointless things I've ever heard of. What a waste of everyone's time (no pun intended) and energy every six months, to run around their houses, offices and garages changing clocks.
posted by Spencerinc at 11:25 AM on April 29, 2005

What's so hard to understand about wanting more light in the evening?

Nothing. Which is what makes it so hard to understand why the legislature wants to move from Eastern Time (without DST) to Central Time (with DST)--it gives us no more evening light in the summer than we already have anyway, and less evening light in the winter.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 11:30 AM on April 29, 2005

midnight is actually 12:00 AM and noon is actually 12:00 PM

Actually, midnight and noon are technically neither AM nor PM.
posted by kindall at 11:30 AM on April 29, 2005

Actually, midnight and noon are technically neither AM nor PM.

Come again?
posted by xmutex at 11:33 AM on April 29, 2005

here in arizona, where we have never (with the exception of one summer in 1967) observed daylight savings time

Why does Arizona hate sunlight and Martin Luther King?

(I know, I know. You've had MLK day for a couple years now.)
posted by Mayor Curley at 11:36 AM on April 29, 2005

In these modern times, how can daylight savings time be considered a brilliant invention?

An amendment to the Bush/Cheney energy bill would extend Daylight Savings Time from the first Sunday in March to the last Sunday in November, thereby reducing energy consumption and saving on the order of 10,000 barrels of oil a day. [source]
posted by Dean King at 11:40 AM on April 29, 2005

No, internal, I'm *not* wrong. I don't give a big fat diddley where you were raised; Evansville is WAY far south and west- I'm a mere hour from Cincinnati, and I can look out my window at this very moment and observe the lightness of the sky as compared to the clock.

We match up to Central in the summer and Eastern in the winter. It is fully dark at my east-of-Indianapolis-house at 5.30 (EST) in the winter; it started getting that way at 4.30 (EST.) Put me on CST, and the time difference means 3.30 for twilight and 4.30 for nightfall. My son will be riding the bus home from school in the dark.

And the lawmakers KNEW this. They discussed it! It's why the federal government got involved in our state lawmaking in the first place, because the original bill from last month would have let counties contiguous to other time zones select their own zone. Then, the feds stepped in because there were federal law problems with that solution, so rather than let the entire state unofficially run by whatever damned clock they wanted to, they forged ahead and slapped us all with Central.
posted by headspace at 11:41 AM on April 29, 2005

Wasn't the original reason for DST to accomodate farmers?

I don't know about America, but in Ireland the standard argument was always so that children wouldnt have to go to school in the dark, with the increased chances of traffic accidents. In the winter, with Daylight Savings Time, it gets bright around 8-8.30, without it, it would be after 9.
posted by Boobus Tuber at 11:43 AM on April 29, 2005

Yo headspace... Pay attention. There hasn't been a decision either way as to what timezone we're going to be synced up with. I can tell you that polls done by the Indy Star several months ago indicated that a majority preferred CST over EST. But now the Federal DoT will come in to make a decision. Its all spelled out in the articles above.
posted by bgroff at 11:47 AM on April 29, 2005

What's really messed up is time in general - time zones will someday fall by the way as we realize that world time (metric time, decimal time, internet time) is what must be.

Why be held captive to 7am = 'morning'?

I relish the time when I can say my morning begins at 54.17 centidays.

7am cst = 1pm gmt = 13:00 gmt / 24 = 5416.666

I wonder then, would I round to 54 centidays or 55 centidays?
posted by mouthnoize at 11:56 AM on April 29, 2005

This is one of those things that only matters to people who go outside.
posted by Cyrano at 12:00 PM on April 29, 2005

Headspace: OK, I misread your earlier comment. You are talking about the *beginning* of sundown, not the actual sundown or sunset. In the winter time I prefer the having the sun up in the morning instead of more sun in the evening. To each his own.

BTW, they have not "slapped us all" with a time zone switch, it must be approved by the feds.

On another not, I am very happy about the DST bill. I work for a software company in the technical support department. Our positions are mostly regionalized based on time zones. Because of this, I have to change my work schedule by an hour twice a year. I now look forward to working the same time all year round.
posted by internal at 12:12 PM on April 29, 2005

I'm with junyatwin. We should just keep all our clocks on GMT. Or, better, TAI.

In a slightly more practical vein, I've never understood why it's thought to be easier to change all the clocks twice a year than to simply have schools, businesses, and so forth open (and close) an hour earlier in the summer. As a side benefit, it won't confuse the damn cows as much. Won't someone think of the coooowwwsss?
posted by hattifattener at 12:14 PM on April 29, 2005

What's really messed up is the concept of time - time will someday fall by the way as we perfect wormholes and every age becomes like every other age, in a perfect unidimensional synthesis of being that transcends human experience up to that point.

And it'll really save agribusiness.
posted by NickDouglas at 12:14 PM on April 29, 2005

Internal,
Huh? you mean you dont change your work schedule twice a year with DST?

xmutex,
I think kindall means solar noon. He is technically right.

As a computer programmer who hates date/time functions already, and doesn't go outdoors often enough during the work week, I hate DST. That said, if we're going to have it, I'd rather have it done consistently nationwide.

Although I'd be the first to cheer when we went to absolute GMT time with or without decimal vs. icosal hours (is icosal right?), I don't think it'll ever happen.

Hopefully we can put orbital space mirrors up someday and end this tyranny of the sun. Despite the massive plant die-off, it'd be worth it.
posted by BrotherCaine at 12:30 PM on April 29, 2005

time will someday fall by the way as we perfect wormholes.

Scorpius, is that you?
posted by Cyrano at 12:34 PM on April 29, 2005

DST sucks, but time zones suck worse. We should all be on UTC. That would simplify globalization much, much, much more. I can only dream...

And for those that would get confused, the Australians don't have a problem with swapped seasons. Are you saying you're dumber than them? ( trolling for dollars :-D )
posted by shepd at 12:40 PM on April 29, 2005

In the winter time I prefer the having the sun up in the morning instead of more sun in the evening. To each his own.

You have to be the only person on earth! I'm for year-round DST, because the evening daylight is much more missed in winter. Indiana was doing quite well, in that they effectively had year-round Central Daylight Time. Now if we could only get the East Coast to go to year-round EDT.
posted by Zurishaddai at 12:40 PM on April 29, 2005

In a slightly more practical vein, I've never understood why it's thought to be easier to change all the clocks twice a year than to simply have schools, businesses, and so forth open (and close) an hour earlier in the summer.

Because anyone who likes mornings and would suggest getting up earlier should be shot.
posted by dame at 12:51 PM on April 29, 2005

the mayor asks: Why does Arizona hate sunlight and Martin Luther King?

for the desert dwellers in central and southern arizona, another hour of 110+ deg. (F) summer daylight in mostly pre-airconditioned 1967 was uncomfortable and i sense it would still be today.

as for arizona's relationship with the good doctor... well, much to the disappointment of italian-american club members statewide, we have, since 1993, loved him at least a little bit more than columbus; we traded chris' holiday for martin's, you see. in martin's defense, most of us felt chris wasn't really using it for anything all that important. at least we weren't last.
posted by RockyChrysler at 12:55 PM on April 29, 2005

Yeah... we're freaks out in the desert. Still, I'd like to see daylight savings time in Arizona -- during the winter, I go to work and it's dark. I come home from work in the dark.

It sucks... I miss any chance of getting out in the sun... and that makes me sad.
posted by ph00dz at 1:06 PM on April 29, 2005

Philadelphia became the 641st city in the US to get a MLK Jr named street this week.
posted by mbd1mbd1 at 1:11 PM on April 29, 2005

Boobus Tuber: Huh? Day Light Saving Time makes it darker in the morning, not lighter. If the sun would rise at 7AM Normal Time, it would rise at 8AM Day Light Saving Time. That's why people are saying they like the "extra" hour in the evening. You can't have both an extra hour in the morning and the evening.

Normally DST is only done in the summer, so that the sun is not rising at 9AM most places in the middle of winter.

Anyway... xmutex: Noon and midnight are not in either AM nor PM because they define the Ante Meridian and Post Meridian. They're neither before nor after the Meridian, by definition. So midnight, 0:00:00, is neither in the night nor the morning. And 12:00:00 is neither in the morning nor the afternoon. (AM and PM as an unoffical reference, but I know i've seen the same thing on "offical" sites).

There's just an informal convention that midnight is see as AM since right after it happens it is AM. And noon is PM because it's PM right after it. (By the way, the military often will use Saturday 0:00:00 as midnight Friday "night"/Saturday "morning" and Saturday 24:00:00, midnight Saturday "night"/Sunday "morning" to avoid confusion because the two times.

And other than work times set in relation to the current timezone, you don't gain any hours of daylight in DST. You get the same number of hours of sunlight. Even if there wasn't DST, you could still wake up an hour earlier to get that "extra" hour of sunlight. That's all we're doing with DST. Waking up an hour earlier. And who the heck wants to do that?
posted by skynxnex at 1:14 PM on April 29, 2005

The real problem is that time zones are decided by states when they should really just be decided by lattitude.
posted by zeoslap at 1:25 PM on April 29, 2005

While technically 12:00 night/day are not AM/PM, the fact is that also technically speaking, that time never exists.

Huh, you all say?

12:00:00.00(insert as many zeroes as you like)001 *is* AM at night and PM during the day, and you probably won't find anyone arguing any different. Or so I do believe. :-)

The 12:00:00.00(insert lots and lots of zeroes)000 time just doesn't *really* exist.

Perhaps someone who didn't fail calculus can explain better than I have.
posted by shepd at 1:29 PM on April 29, 2005

I normally vote Republican because until recently they have been the more conservative. Really wish I had voted for Joe this time.

You know if one is going to be a single issue voter I'd hope you'd pick something a little more important than DST.

The AM PM thing is why you should never schedule anything for midnight. Always 11:59 or 12:01 or something so it's clear which day your talking about.
posted by Mitheral at 2:11 PM on April 29, 2005

I'm switchin to Hammer time.
posted by The Infamous Jay at 2:14 PM on April 29, 2005

It's damn near Miller Time...
but I'll probably reach for a much tastier Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.
posted by OneOliveShort at 2:32 PM on April 29, 2005

Growing up in Bloomington, Indiana, I used to get so frustrated when my favorite TV shows were broadcast from Daylight Savings states. Our time would stay the same, but their whole broadcast schedule would shift. So whereas for half the year, I could come home from school and watch "Batman," for the other half -- in those days before VCRs and TIVO -- I would miss it, because it would be on while I was still in school.
posted by grumblebee at 2:38 PM on April 29, 2005

I will always choose children watching batman over children watching clocks.
posted by koeselitz at 2:46 PM on April 29, 2005

The real problem is that time zones are decided by states when they should really just be decided by lattitude.

Surely, you meant longitude. And good luck with that.
posted by skyboy at 2:52 PM on April 29, 2005

Actually kindall, while noon may be neither AM or PM, midnight is, I would contend, both.

Of course you can get solipistic and say that it's always AM AND PM anytime since, until we have the Last Day, it's always going to post meridiem since we'll have gone past one noon and anti meridiem since there's one on the way.

But since 12:00 at night is the commencement of the new day I think considering it pre-noon makes more sense than calling it post-noon.

Shit, I think I have made ME hate myself now.
posted by phearlez at 2:52 PM on April 29, 2005

First,Bobby gets the heave-ho. Now we're getting DST. If they try to illegalize tenderloins I'm moving.
posted by ttrendel at 3:02 PM on April 29, 2005

All you Americans with your "GMT, GMT". Nobody uses GMT except America anymore. It's UTC now.
posted by Bugbread at 3:05 PM on April 29, 2005

As someone who lives in Southwest Michigan, I can say that it's about time. The airport for this area is in South Bend Indiana. I have missed flights due to the confusion and, conversely I have been an hour early.

Now, it makes no sense to me that all of Indiana go CST. I am due north of South Bend in Michigan and we are on eastern. One reason I heard in the local press for going to CST was that it would sync up with Chicago. For those of us in Michigan it would mean more confusion (especially with our local TV coming from South Bend as well).
posted by UseyurBrain at 3:50 PM on April 29, 2005

Skyboy, Latitude does make sense. The further north you are determines how scarce daylight becomes in the winter, and the reverse in summer. Longitude just means a difference in sunrise and sunset time, for any given latitude.

As for the global time zone talk, that's ridiculous, unless you live on the internets.
posted by BigFatWhale at 4:01 PM on April 29, 2005

Growing up in Indiana 13 miles from the Ohio border during the early 60's when this was previously a big fight we had not eastern or central but 'school time' and some people worked on 'factory time' which could be either central or eastern depending where their home office or customers were, and for other things you had government time. After that settled out and time remained the same the sun was stable, it did predictable things. A lot of my working life was spent in the South bend area either living in Michigan and working shopping in Indiana or living in Indiana working in Michigan. Living with 2 times became the norm for half the year. From Indiana I could be at work before I left home. But the sun was still stable. I then spent a number of years living on eastern long island, which if longitude was the rule would be even one time zone east of eastern time. To me Indiana being on Central time the year round will be, sun wise, like living on eastern long island, where it seems that the sun sets in the middle of the afternoon during the winter and sets too early in the summer. If Indiana ends up on Central time there will be allot of pissed off people after the first time they experience a central time winter. Setting on the eastern edge of the time zone skews the winter sun set even more. Living in western Michigan in line with the center of Indiana living on the western end of the Eastern time zone is not all that weird and the sun staying around later in the summer works for me but then I don't need to have the sun around until about 7 AM either.
posted by mss at 4:23 PM on April 29, 2005

I think kindall means solar noon. He is technically right.

The best kind of right!
posted by kindall at 5:15 PM on April 29, 2005

DST is foolish. If you want an hour more of daylight at the end of the day, go to work an hour earlier. Changing everyone's clocks twice a year is just insane. Among other things, it causes an increase in traffic accidents.

Time zones are another artifice we probably don't need. China covers 62 degrees of longitude and has a total of one time zone.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 5:23 PM on April 29, 2005

I wish we had DST. It sucks that sunrise is at 4:45 but sunset is before 19:00. Give me sun when it's actually useful, not when everything is closed, and the only thing you can do is take a stroll around the neighborhood. And leaving work while the sun is out in summer would also be nice.
posted by Bugbread at 5:27 PM on April 29, 2005

I hate hate hate hate hate ad infinium DST. Let the mornings be dark, when virtually no one is doing anything useful, and let the afternoons shine, when one might want to do something after work.
posted by five fresh fish at 6:58 PM on April 29, 2005

five fresh fish : " I hate hate hate hate hate ad infinium DST. Let the mornings be dark, when virtually no one is doing anything useful, and let the afternoons shine, when one might want to do something after work."

Er...which is it then? Without daylight savings time, the sun rises at, say, 5 am, and sets at, say, 7 pm. With daylight savings time, the sun rises at 6 am and sets at 8 pm. You hate that which accomplishes your goals?
posted by Bugbread at 7:05 PM on April 29, 2005

China covers 62 degrees of longitude and has a total of one time zone.

The government decrees one time zone, but as Peter Hessler, author of River Town, notes, Chinese businesspeople end up making time zones and treating the five-time-zones-in-one policy as another silly law to be circumvented for the good of modernization.

But thanks for providing the example.
posted by NickDouglas at 7:36 PM on April 29, 2005

If you don't live in Indiana (or it's borders) you simply can't fully appreciate the insanity. For those that may not know (and the press articles posted didn't bring it to light), there are actually 3 different, independantly functioning, time zones in Indiana. To increase the insanity, some do and some do not follow Daylight Savings Time.

The real impact, as someone living in the Southwestern part of Indiana, results from not only from the impact on our personal lives, but also from working in industries that interact with other areas of our state and our neighboring states and tracking the time differences.

If you really want to get a feel for our discontent, imagine working in an office where you change your schedule back & forth from 7-4 and 8-5 every 6 months, the person on your left works 8-5 and doesn't change, and the person on your right works 9-6, but changes to 10-7 and back on your 6 month schedule.

Now schedule project tasks, meetings, and don't impact the client. Oh, forgot to mention that Client A follows the pattern of the person on your left, Client B follows the person on your right, and Client C is on your schedule...

...now apply that same scheduling technique to your kids' traveling soccer team, marching band or football team.

*shakes head*

I would vote (and vote often *grin*) to abolish the whole thing -- but I'll take this consolation as a good, first step...


posted by deemer at 5:41 AM on April 30, 2005

this is going to clear up some confusion about what time it really is in indiana ... across the border in michigan, we've always regarded this as rather quaint ... but i don't like the idea of indiana as a whole going to central time ... because then someone may get the bright idea of putting western mi on central time ... and i don't feel like having the sky getting dark at 4.30 in the winter either
posted by pyramid termite at 6:06 AM on April 30, 2005

I've always been fascinated by the resistance to daylight-savings. For those of us who live in the North and who can't fix our own schedules, DLST means that children don't walk to school in the dark, and that adults see the sun on the way to work. You also get an hour more sleep one cold, grey weekend.

And yes, you could just change the school day/ work hours, but is it really a big deal either way?

I do get tired of trying to remember when Indiana is in what time zone. Did refusing to cooperate make Indiana a more interesting, magical place? No. It was just as flat, hickish and uninteresting as it is today.
posted by gesamtkunstwerk at 8:52 AM on April 30, 2005

I lived most of my life in places which had DST. Then I moved to Arizona. This experience has convinced me that DST is stupid, pointless, and useless.

Oh, well.
posted by kyrademon at 10:46 AM on April 30, 2005

RockyChrysler: we are sad that our lone stateside holdout, indiana, has abandoned us. alas, at least we still have american samoa and puerto rico... and hawaii, of course.

Ku Like Kakou! Stand together, Arizona comrades!

DST would make no sense down here. The length of our daylight hours doesn't change all that much. It sure is a pain when everyone else springs forward or falls back, though. If we thought it was bad when the conference calls were at 5 a.m. our time, just try being in the office at 4 a.m.

Of course, now they're saying Daylight Saving Time could spread across more of the calendar.
posted by pzarquon at 11:50 AM on April 30, 2005

Grumblebee, YES! I'm from Chicago but went to school at IU-Bloomington and the TV schedule always drove me nuts. Not so much things being broadcast from DST states (I am from the Central Time Zone so all that meant was that the shows came on when I was used to seeing them) but the network TV shows were shown an hour later than everyone else got to see them. Especially when my friends from Chicago called to talk about the shows and I would have to say "Call me back in an hour!"
posted by SisterHavana at 12:40 PM on April 30, 2005

Blah. I went to school in Bloomington and I have fond memories of destressing at the end of finals week with a twilight bike ride through downtown while all the Christmas lights were coming on. Modern DST is just a conspiracy of the overachieving early risers and their damnable morning jogs and 6am decaf lattes.
posted by Skwirl at 11:15 PM on May 1, 2005