dirty john bolton

May 11, 2005 1:31 PM

john bolton and group sex
do these revelations make him more or less qualified to serve as the united states ambassador to the UN?
posted by specialk420 (90 comments total)

what could be better to unite the nations
than a little uniting group sex experience?
posted by zenzizi at 1:34 PM on May 11, 2005

more. Group sex requires diplomacy skills.
posted by furiousxgeorge at 1:35 PM on May 11, 2005

That mustache of his must be filthy.
posted by jonmc at 1:39 PM on May 11, 2005

jonmc.... LOL. :)
posted by specialk420 at 1:42 PM on May 11, 2005

john bolton and group sex

Most. Infrequent. Google search. Ever.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 1:42 PM on May 11, 2005

Huh? The only actual factual evidence is that he got divorced. We're supposed to believe unsourced "corroborated allegations" about group sex from Larry Flint? You could put out a press release like this for anyone.
posted by phatboy at 1:47 PM on May 11, 2005

Who said only commie-hippie-liberals can harvest the fruits of the 60's sexual liberation? Hard-line right-wingers are humans too...
posted by nkyad at 1:48 PM on May 11, 2005

hell, he's already more of a diplomat than I am

damnit

/still young
posted by slapshot57 at 1:48 PM on May 11, 2005

That mustache of his must be filthy.

Why do you think he bleached it?
posted by blendor at 1:49 PM on May 11, 2005

I support John Bolton's right to have sex with groups of people and hope that he pursues this as a matter of UN policy. I hope that this will result in my being able to have sex with groups of people.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:50 PM on May 11, 2005

at least its not michael bolton.
posted by sgt.serenity at 1:53 PM on May 11, 2005

On one hand, I'd be disgusted and outraged if the conservative fringe political machine were to bring these charges against some one on "my team". There has to be a line somewhere about public and private spheres. On the other hand, hypocrisy needs to be highlighted, and Bolton is, er, in bed, with some pretty crazy people. And after Clinton, should I be expected to take the high ground on sex scandals?

Rational response, or rationalization for schaudenfreude?
posted by allan at 1:54 PM on May 11, 2005

the issue appears to be the bullying of his ex-wife into lord only knows what types of situations?
posted by specialk420 at 1:57 PM on May 11, 2005

did colin know about bolton's little secret?
posted by specialk420 at 1:59 PM on May 11, 2005

Boy is her blog gonna get some hits. All I know is Christina can't hold a candle to Jeri.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 2:00 PM on May 11, 2005

I support John Bolton's right to have sex with groups of people and hope that he pursues this as a matter of UN policy. I hope that this will result in my being able to have sex with groups of people

Not only that, but the world would be a friendlier place!
posted by C17H19NO3 at 2:01 PM on May 11, 2005

Wow, this guy sounds like a piece of work. Not that it will make a bit of difference in his nomination. Not that ShrubCo cares what he's done in his past so long as he nods in time with the rest of the bobbleheads.
posted by fenriq at 2:02 PM on May 11, 2005

persons who dominate in business life like to be dominated in the bedroom. Who's to say this guy isn't into fetishism? I'll bet he's like Hitler, who was reputed to enjoy lying on the floor naked while a mistress kicked him and urinated on him...I can very easily see someone like Bolton taking it in every orifice while wailing like a little bitch . . .
posted by mk1gti at 2:08 PM on May 11, 2005

at least its not michael bolton.

*shudder*
posted by schyler523 at 2:12 PM on May 11, 2005

mk1gti- That's a mental picture I could have done without.
posted by Doohickie at 2:13 PM on May 11, 2005

not much of a stretch, apparently
posted by trondant at 2:14 PM on May 11, 2005

Larry Flynt: Bush UN nominee won't answer questions about troubled marriage

Good.
posted by Witty at 2:19 PM on May 11, 2005

"I'll bet he's like Hitler..."

mk1gti, why for goodness sake would you break the Godwin Law in this most innocuous of threads?
posted by ZachsMind at 2:21 PM on May 11, 2005

If these charges are true it doesn't matter a whit. His personal life should have no bearing on our judgement of his skills as a diplomat. I mean, we know those suck, so what does this add to the conversation? Proof of his hypocrisy, given his political bedmates? Holy shit guys, a Bush conservative is a hypocrite? Why, I am aghast.
posted by schroedinger at 2:21 PM on May 11, 2005

specialk420 : "do these revelations make him more or less qualified to serve as the united states ambassador to the UN?"

More. And I'm happy to hear that a politician is refusing to talk about his marriage. Hopefully one day that will be the default.
posted by Bugbread at 2:23 PM on May 11, 2005

C:\Documents and Settings\Ted\My Documents\My Pictures\db050511.gif

C17H19NO3, the internet does not work that way.
posted by quonsar at 2:25 PM on May 11, 2005

I know, that wasn't what I thought I linked...sorry

Here

So embarassed

*hides in hole*
posted by C17H19NO3 at 2:28 PM on May 11, 2005

rationalization for schaudenfreude
posted by Cassford at 2:33 PM on May 11, 2005

Mr. President! We can not allow a kinky sex gap!!

(per Dr. Stranglove)
posted by warbaby at 2:33 PM on May 11, 2005

"Larry Flynt: Bush UN nominee won't answer questions about troubled marriage"

Good.
posted by Witty at 2:19 PM PST on May 11

I'm sure that's exactly what you said about Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal, eh, Witty?
posted by Optimus Chyme at 2:34 PM on May 11, 2005

"i did not have sexual relations with those women"
posted by specialk420 at 2:37 PM on May 11, 2005

So the crux of the article is that the State Department won't refute allegations made by ... Hustler magazine? I call bullshit. This is shoddy journalism at its worst.

To my knowledge Bolton is not one of the 'moral' anti-gay anti-sex 'oppressed Christian' right wingers. If he was, I might see a reason to delve into his sex life [as the press did with the mayor of Spokane].

There's more than enough reason to deny his appointment. His sex life ain't one of them.
posted by kanewai at 2:41 PM on May 11, 2005

john bolton and group sex

Best. Band name. Ever.

(fine so it has a short shelf life but if you're in a punk/indie band do try to play a gig under that name, ok?)
posted by fleetmouse at 2:51 PM on May 11, 2005

I'm sure that's exactly what you said about Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal, eh, Witty?

WTF? What do you know? Those a completely different issues... COMPLETELY different. I couldn't care less who the President fucks, sucks, pokes or prods... as long as it isn't in conflict with the job he was "hired" to perform.

To my knowledge Bolton is not one of the 'moral' anti-gay anti-sex 'oppressed Christian' right wingers. If he was, I might see a reason to delve into his sex life [as the press did with the mayor of Spokane].

That's still not a reason, in my opinion. You can be anti-heroin and whether or not you ever used heroin in the past shouldn't have any impact. Now, if you're using heroin now, that's different.
posted by Witty at 2:53 PM on May 11, 2005

He's a switch. Hence "kiss up, kick down."
posted by klangklangston at 2:57 PM on May 11, 2005

This is one that belongs squarely in the "who gives a f*ck?" column, isn't it?
posted by clevershark at 2:59 PM on May 11, 2005

no, it's supposed to belong squarely in the "who gives a group f*ck"" column
posted by matteo at 3:05 PM on May 11, 2005

I am with clevershark. oh, and yuk to everything else.
posted by tkchrist at 3:05 PM on May 11, 2005

.. as long as it isn't in conflict with the job he was "hired" to perform.

send the SOB to the UN - if he ends up getting rammed through the sent by cheney and crew, it will be worth it to the see smirks on the faces of the rest of the world when dirty 'stache unleashes another one of his tirades...
posted by specialk420 at 3:11 PM on May 11, 2005

at least its not michael bolton.

So, the Sarge is channeling William Empson now...
posted by y2karl at 3:15 PM on May 11, 2005

Witty : "Those a completely different issues... COMPLETELY different. I couldn't care less who the President fucks, sucks, pokes or prods... as long as it isn't in conflict with the job he was 'hired' to perform."

I'm not following you...isn't that an argument for how they are not completely different issues?
posted by Bugbread at 3:17 PM on May 11, 2005

Clinton's shebang and the guy in question here... those two issues are completely different. So to claim that I should have the same opinion on this guy's dilemma and Clinton's (Monica) nightmare doesn't make sense.
posted by Witty at 3:21 PM on May 11, 2005

Mr. Bolton participated in paid visits to Plato’s Retreat

So he was a hooker just like Gannon?
posted by orthogonality at 3:27 PM on May 11, 2005

Didn't I see that guy at the A-Frame?
posted by Ogre Lawless at 3:31 PM on May 11, 2005

Witty : " Clinton's shebang and the guy in question here... those two issues are completely different."

Well, yes, of course, in the particulars. John Bolton is not, in fact, Clinton, the people he put his penis in are not, in fact, the same people Clinton did, he is not the exact same height as Clinton. Yes, they are completely different...But how are they different in any relevant way?

That sounds like baiting. I'm sorry. What I should say is: you support Bolton not answering personal questions that don't relate to his work. And you say that you couldn't care less who the President fucks, sucks, pokes or prods... as long as it isn't in conflict with the job he was "hired" to perform. These things seem to be more or less in agreement, yet you seem somewhat angry about them being compared. What am I missing here?
posted by Bugbread at 3:36 PM on May 11, 2005

I can't imagine Bolton refraining from pissing off a group long enough to have sex with them.
posted by clevershark at 3:44 PM on May 11, 2005

I can't imagine Bolton refraining from pissing off on a group long enough to have sex with them.

From the first Link: “...The court records alone provide sufficient basis for further investigation of nominee Bolton by the Senate.” ... Mr. Flynt continued, “The U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations must be free of any potential source of disrepute or blackmail.”...
posted by schyler523 at 3:52 PM on May 11, 2005

bugbread - Firstly, I'm not angry. :) I just know where Mr. Chyme gets his silly assumption.
I don't think Clinton bangin' a White House intern in the Oval office, while he's President (of course) is the same as this guy, a candidate, having visited a swingers ranch back in the dizzay. Not the same... maybe I'm wrong.
posted by Witty at 3:57 PM on May 11, 2005

I just DON'T know...
posted by Witty at 3:58 PM on May 11, 2005

Ah, ok. Thanks. I was a bit confuzzled.
posted by Bugbread at 4:24 PM on May 11, 2005

Group sex in public: IOKIYAR

Man, if the IOKIYAR list gets any longer, I just might have to switch parties. Why can't the democrats get this IOK thing down?
posted by bashos_frog at 4:25 PM on May 11, 2005

Sorry to say, but I trust Larry Flynt to tell the whole story on a politicians about as much as I trust Little Green Footballs to tell the whole truth about the war in Iraq, which is to say that I have absolutely no trust in either.
posted by clevershark at 4:27 PM on May 11, 2005

I love seeing conservative bastards ensnared in sexual scandal, even if it's as thin as "Bolton refused to respond to inquiries from Hustler". Burn it down.
posted by Nelson at 4:28 PM on May 11, 2005

Leave Larry alone. He's a great American.
posted by jonmc at 4:28 PM on May 11, 2005

Why is anyone even looking for reasons to vote against Bolton beyond what he's already on record as saying about the United Nations? Sending this guy to the UN is like sending a guy known for anti-Semitic tirades to be Ambassador to Israel.

As for the "causes for blackmail" issue, it's a non-starter in this administration [snort, snort].
posted by clevershark at 4:32 PM on May 11, 2005

Wait... Flynt has made allegations in the past (Livingston) and I can't remember him being wrong. He certainly has a track record, but I don't think it's a track record of being wrong.

[That's Bolton's claim to fame]
posted by allan at 4:37 PM on May 11, 2005

do these revelations make him more or less qualified to serve as the united states ambassador to the UN?

Trick question! He couldn't be any less qualified.
posted by uosuaq at 4:39 PM on May 11, 2005

I agree with Witty. Mr. Mustache's proclivities are nothing like Clinton's.

I know Witty would agree that sending a swinger--in the strictest sense of the word--as the U.S. representative to the United Nations can only be interpreted as a brilliant demarche to the French . . . Look at Jacques Chirac's own peccadillos. . . The French absolutely love peccadillos. . . John will probably receive the Legion D'Honneur Sexuale and honorary French citizenship. This will only increase his ability to perform in NY.

Now, the "sanctity of marriage" crowd may not be so pleased, but this nomination shows again how--dare I say--liberal-minded George Bush is about the level of personal sexual morality displayed by those whom he appoints to high office--if there was any question after his nomination of Bernie Kerik, of course. This proves too that the religious right does not control U. S. foreign policy, and I'm glad about that. The President clearly has his legacy to history in view with such a nomination.

I , for one, would welcome a public affirmation by Mr. Bolton of the value of public, pre-paid swinging as a prominent tool for increasing understanding of free market economics and Americal moral values among men and women the world over. As a confirmed bully, from a bully pulpit located just a short cab ride from his, erm, exciting former haunts, Swingin' John could aggressively promote world peace through Confucius' Free Trade and Love Retreat in Shanghai . . . or Ali's Republican Party Retreat in an-Najaf. . . .or Groucho's Retreat in Tbilisi (for those who dare with a revisionist Marxist flair!)

Bolton democracy: on the march and on the bone!
posted by rdone at 4:59 PM on May 11, 2005

"RAW STORY has an outstanding call to the State Department but does not anticipate any response."

Hmmm, I wonder why...
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 5:08 PM on May 11, 2005

The U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations must be free of any potential source of disrepute or blackmail.

You can't be blackmailed for information that's publicly known.

/not a professional blackmailer
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 5:13 PM on May 11, 2005

Hey its a long time since Flynt has been heard from in this regard. Years ago he offered big money to anyone who could nail Bush or any of his cabal but nothing much ever turned up. So if he is shouting about this one, he must feel pretty confident. Or is that wishful thinking?
posted by donfactor at 5:19 PM on May 11, 2005

this isn't about hypocrisy from the moral values crowd...

the real issue is whether there's anything in Bolton's past that would leave him susceptible to blackmail, and if Flynt's allegations are true, the answer would seem to be yes.
posted by pruner at 5:20 PM on May 11, 2005

"raises the presumption" is my new favorite phrase. I'm going to try to use that this weekend.
posted by planetkyoto at 5:53 PM on May 11, 2005

> The U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations must be free of any potential source
> of disrepute or blackmail.

Why? Who on earth would try to blackmail (or bribe or whatever) someone holding a position of no importance?
posted by jfuller at 6:02 PM on May 11, 2005

If these charges are true it doesn't matter a whit. His personal life should have no bearing on our judgement of his skills...

If only the Republicans applied to same standard to themselves the Lewinsky diatribes. If only.
posted by AlexReynolds at 6:11 PM on May 11, 2005

jfuller writes " Why? Who on earth would try to blackmail (or bribe or whatever) someone holding a position of no importance?"

Indeed. The Bush administration's contempt for the United Nations is already well-known.
posted by clevershark at 6:13 PM on May 11, 2005

Witty: You can be anti-heroin and whether or not you ever used heroin in the past shouldn't have any impact.
To a point. We have plenty of politicians who advocate locking up drug users and throwing away the key. Plenty of the same politicos liked to party back when. If draconian drug laws had been applied to the children of the upper classes [left and right] many of the fine gentlemen behind these laws would have been be locked up for life before they ever had a chance to gaze upon the beltway.

I don't care to hear much about a politician's private life, until they start moralizing - and imposing their morality on the world. And then I want to know everything. Drugs, sex, and dirty stained dresses.

If they stick to politics, then I'm willing to stick by judging them on their political record.
posted by kanewai at 6:33 PM on May 11, 2005

Why? Who on earth would try to blackmail (or bribe or whatever) someone holding a position of no importance?

This strain of conservative "wit" reminds me of the time I had to listen to drunken aphasiacs attempt to read Rush Limbaugh's talking points off of those charts they use when you go for a new eyeglass prescription. It *was* funny, but only because I laugh at retarded people sometimes.
posted by trondant at 6:48 PM on May 11, 2005

kanewai - Well, I guess I'm just trying to say that I'm willing to overlook past "mistakes" if someone has changed their ways, had a change of heart, recovered, thought better of it, wise-d up, grown up, etc. Not that I really want to elect a former heroin abuser to public office... it was just an example. That would be a bit extreme for me. But I wouldn't have a problem with someone saying, "Hey, I snorted coke. I wish I hadn't and I don't think you should either. Cocaine is bad news and I will vote against it becoming legal" (or whatever).
posted by Witty at 7:14 PM on May 11, 2005

From the article, "Corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton’s first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted . . . ."

He forced her to engage in group sex? For crying out loud, he's practically a rapist. Is that the type of character we look for in a UN diplomat? Get this guy a room with Marv Albert and keep him out of the UN.
posted by caddis at 9:18 PM on May 11, 2005

Bolton is a thug. I hope this report is true and helps nail the guy.
posted by chance at 9:33 PM on May 11, 2005

Mules? Wah?
posted by bardic at 9:51 PM on May 11, 2005

Picturing The Walrus at Plato's Retreat makes me a little squeamish, but sometimes I like to mix'n'match my FPPs; why not try imagining the 'stached one skipping wide-eyed through the Plushie Forest?

sleep well, my pretties....
posted by maryh at 11:39 PM on May 11, 2005

I'm just surprised he could even think of public office with that moustache. In the UK it is pretty much accepted that facial hair is a no-no, see here for a bit of background. There are some exceptions but not many.
posted by biffa at 12:40 AM on May 12, 2005

You seem to find the group sex thing pretty funny. But here are some more serious things about mr. Bolton. Not funny; not funny at all:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and the best of all, 9.
posted by acrobat at 5:15 AM on May 12, 2005

Come on guys, this is horseshit.

"Mr. Flynt has personal knowledge about sources corroborating the allegations...
Mr. Flynt has no further comment at this time..."

And the only evidence he produces is a divorce record that says absolutely nothing except that she left him while he was on a trip abroad.

Puh-fucking-lease.

Bolton is a creep and a half, but Flynt is being an idiot here. You can't make accusations like this without backing them up.
posted by CunningLinguist at 5:53 AM on May 12, 2005

Bolton is a creep and a half, but Flynt is being an idiot here. You can't make accusations like this without backing them up.

I'm certain a multimillionaire like Flynt isn't dumb enough to print libel. Because then Bolton could end up owning Hustler. But then Bolton would want that, wouldn't he? This is all so confusing.
posted by AlexReynolds at 6:46 AM on May 12, 2005

Acrobat, that's a collective of evidence much more shocking and compelling than any group sex stuff, certainly. If Bolton doesn't deserve nomination for a diplomatic-level appointment, those are all very good reasons why.
posted by AlexReynolds at 6:51 AM on May 12, 2005

Larry Flint is a nullity, and you, Mr. or Ms. Poster of This Thread are equally null. And despicable.

And the poetic justice is that morons like you will actually assure his nomination. And no, I'm not about to thank you for that.
posted by ParisParamus at 6:58 AM on May 12, 2005

It's not like the USA to pick a big bullying asshole to represent them to the world.
posted by Fuzzy Monster at 7:11 AM on May 12, 2005

voinovich just gutted bolton - skinned him and nailed his hide to the side of the barn.

incredibe. just incredible.

www.cspan.org
posted by specialk420 at 8:04 AM on May 12, 2005

Johnny Wadd.
posted by bardic at 8:24 AM on May 12, 2005

My guess is that Flynt is probably correct. However, the evidence is thin to non-existent (being pretty much Flynt's hearsay) and more importantly it comes too late in the game to matter. Even if his ex-wife came out and said he did it, I doubt it would change any votes now. This vote will not be about whether he is the right man for the job (Voinovich may be an exception), but about preserving GOP power by not flinching, no matter what.
posted by caddis at 9:00 AM on May 12, 2005

So take that you bunch of despicable nullities! I guess PP told you!

Wanna talk about another IOKIYAR? It's really juicy stuff!

You go Hager!
posted by nofundy at 9:13 AM on May 12, 2005

voinovich just gutted bolton - skinned him and nailed his hide to the side of the barn.

...and then he voted to approve the nomination for a vote. Way to go on those checks and balances George!
posted by CunningLinguist at 12:44 PM on May 12, 2005

rude poetry from, again, the RudePundit:

And it's fuckin' everywhere, the fuckin'. It's gay fuckin', group fuckin', straight anal fuckin', just so much fuckin', where the repressed libidos of ranting right wingers runs rampant. Somewhere in heaven, Michel Foucault is laughing his sore ass off.

posted by matteo at 12:56 PM on May 12, 2005

Sorry, dickheads. It looks like his nomination got out of committee and will win Senate approval. Yeah!
posted by ParisParamus at 2:28 PM on May 12, 2005

The world is a little safer today, and Europe and Russia a little smaller. I LOVE MY COUNTRY!
posted by ParisParamus at 2:31 PM on May 12, 2005

BY JINGO!
posted by y2karl at 3:06 PM on May 12, 2005

Now that is an image I don't want in my head.
posted by SisterHavana at 9:47 PM on May 12, 2005