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January 20, 2006 3:45 AM   Subscribe

Last night in my rock pub of choice I heard a girl get overly excited about "the hottest thing, ever"; Whole sites dedicated to Emo boys kissing Emo boys. This is totally a MySpace thing I (gladly) missed out on.
posted by 13twelve (121 comments total)

 
Yup - this is definitely the best of the web. Thanks for sharing it with us.
posted by Chunder at 3:47 AM on January 20, 2006


yawn.

As previously stated, the *best* thing on the web was that Hurra Torpedo video before they sold out to Ford. Therefore *the* best thing on the web has already been posted here ergo anything else posted is not "the best of the web".

This post, however, does highlight a trend spreading through the internet, which will no doubt interest someone who was not already aware of its existance (though I might just be the last to be told about this).

Though full marks Chunder. Pat on the back for you. Infact two pats, four and half gold stars and a medal.

(infact does your comment stem from the fact that in the Isle of Man there are still laws against homosexuality?)
posted by 13twelve at 3:57 AM on January 20, 2006


From 13twelve's user page:

"if you noticed this notice, you will notice, that this notice, was not worth a notice at all."

Which is a perfect description of this post.
posted by fixedgear at 3:59 AM on January 20, 2006


fixedgear: "Which is a perfect description of this post."

It also has two unnecessary commas.
posted by Plutor at 4:00 AM on January 20, 2006


I think it's well constructed post.

But I'm scared to click on any of the links.
I'm emophobic.
posted by slimepuppy at 4:01 AM on January 20, 2006


a trend spreading through the internet

myspace != internet
posted by quonsar at 4:03 AM on January 20, 2006


what requirements do boys have to fulfill to become "emo"?
posted by dabitch at 4:07 AM on January 20, 2006


what requirements do boys have to fulfill to become "emo"?

While not being "hip" or "with it" any more, I *did* live with some girls who were into the "emo" boys... and from what I could glean, being "emo" means wearing blocky glasses, having bad hair, and generally being a dorky skinny goth kid.

Oh, and I dunno... writing bad poetry and crying after sex, I guess.
posted by antifuse at 4:10 AM on January 20, 2006


Are you sure those are boys?
posted by Optamystic at 4:16 AM on January 20, 2006


Emo is Goth light. Discuss.
posted by clevershark at 4:27 AM on January 20, 2006


fags!
posted by zardoz at 4:35 AM on January 20, 2006


Emo is Goth light. Discuss.

emo is Gay Goth. Goth is cool, emo is gay.
posted by twistedonion at 4:38 AM on January 20, 2006


Emo is Goth with worse fashion sense, slightly better musical taste, and no sense of irony whatsoever.
posted by xthlc at 4:52 AM on January 20, 2006


If what's generally termed emo these days is goth, it's goth minus the greasy receding hairlines, shit music and cloves and plus the possibility of somebody actually having sex.
posted by terpsichoria at 4:54 AM on January 20, 2006


Kids these days.

The funniest part to me is the first link is to a petition site. Where people are asked to sign a petition supporting the idea emo boys kissing is the coolest thing ever (it isn't, not even close). Of course, this is as useful as all other online petitions. If they get anough petitions will they pressure Congress to pass a law declaring that emo boys kissing is the coolest thing ever?
posted by birdherder at 4:59 AM on January 20, 2006


Wow. Just the other day, SlangCity taught me about whale tails and I concluded that thongs had jumped the shark. Now, with this revelation about emo boys kissing, I realize girl on girl kissing has also jumped the shark. Go, homoerotic emo overlords, go!
posted by VulcanMike at 5:00 AM on January 20, 2006


I'm finding emo to be gay.
posted by gfrobe at 5:03 AM on January 20, 2006


Truly, if we step back and consider the articles last year about the increase in same-sex experimentation among girls, it isn't surprising that the boys would catch up as well. This is a cultural shift, so it shouldn't be expected to remain with one gender. One could argue that we're simply looking at a gallery of gay men, but it's a MySpace meme, and not an OutInAmerica meme or something of that sort. Very interesting...
posted by VulcanMike at 5:05 AM on January 20, 2006


they look more like cowboys to me.
posted by washburn at 5:17 AM on January 20, 2006


What nonsense. Everyone knows that the hottest thing ever is a female skinhead snogging a female goth. Oh baby.
posted by Decani at 5:18 AM on January 20, 2006


I have always thought that emo boys were the larva of hipster men.
posted by Windigo at 5:26 AM on January 20, 2006


Wow, those boys are emotionally hardcore.
posted by tpl1212 at 5:30 AM on January 20, 2006


All of the boys have the same haircut, which doesn't change the fact that this is, indeed, the hottest thing ever.
posted by OmieWise at 5:30 AM on January 20, 2006


So, because there's a MySpace group about it, it's a "MySpace thing"?
posted by melt away at 5:33 AM on January 20, 2006


Wait, I get it. Now it's a "Metafilter thing"!!
posted by melt away at 5:35 AM on January 20, 2006


I'll admit it, my first exposure to the word "Emo".... for the ignorant such as I (although, here at MetaFilter I may be the ONLY ignorant one ).. from the Urban dictionary:

Genre of softcore punk music that integrates unenthusiastic melodramatic 17 year olds who dont smile, high pitched overwrought lyrics and inaudible guitar rifts with tight wool sweaters, tighter jeans, itchy scarfs (even in the summer), ripped chucks with favorite bands signature, black square rimmed glasses, and ebony greasy unwashed hair that is required to cover at least 3/5 ths of the face at an angle.
posted by HuronBob at 5:45 AM on January 20, 2006


Women liking boys kissing is a myspace thing and deserving of mocking?

Well, damn. How do you feel about men getting off on lesbians then?
posted by FunkyHelix at 5:45 AM on January 20, 2006


I'm so Emo I lubricate with my tears when I masturbate.
posted by sourwookie at 6:02 AM on January 20, 2006



Well, damn. How do you feel about men getting off on lesbians then?



Point me to a petition with men going ooey-gooey about girls kissing girls and I shall mock it as well. I am an equal-opportunity mocker.
posted by Dr-Baa at 6:02 AM on January 20, 2006


Wait, Elmo is gay?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:12 AM on January 20, 2006


i seems that it helps if you're a slip of a boy.
posted by nola at 6:14 AM on January 20, 2006


This is about 70% of LiveJournal. Bad form missing that.
posted by booksandlibretti at 6:14 AM on January 20, 2006


I for one welcome our emolords.
posted by andreaazure at 6:15 AM on January 20, 2006


"they look more like cowboys to me."

But are they eating pudding?
posted by MikeMc at 6:17 AM on January 20, 2006


So, because there's a MySpace group about it, it's a "MySpace thing"?

Around my net peers MySpace is seen as an Emo thing, alot of Manchesters Emo kids have pages on there (Live Journal is seen as goth for similar reasons).


Women liking boys kissing is a myspace thing and deserving of mocking?

Personally I'm not mocking this. To be honest it probably only highlights a certain narrow-mindedness about me because the concept that such sites exist kinda (and girls think this is hot) weirds me out
(NB: not the concept that some guys wanna kiss other guys)
posted by 13twelve at 6:29 AM on January 20, 2006


for those who were wondering how to be emo
posted by psychobum at 6:29 AM on January 20, 2006


Emo is Goth with worse fashion sense, slightly better musical taste, and no sense of irony whatsoever.

Maybe goth is different now than when I was a teen, but I didn't think it was possible to have less of a sense of irony than goths.
posted by deanc at 6:30 AM on January 20, 2006


"Emo: An abbreviation for loser. Emo is the new goth, except goths are still around, so it's becoming almost unbearable."
(Quote from Maddox at thebestpageintheuniverse.net)
posted by 13twelve at 6:33 AM on January 20, 2006


Maybe goth is different now than when I was a teen, but I didn't think it was possible to have less of a sense of irony than goths.

Well I think what xthlc was saying was that Goths at least do have a sense of irony. I disagree about emo being better musically though. Goth music changed my world in the 80's (couldn't be bothered with the fashion sense though. I was a goth in grunge clothing.)

I don't actually see any comparison between Goth and Emo. It's like saying indie kids are the same as Goths just because they both listen to 'alternative' music.
posted by twistedonion at 6:36 AM on January 20, 2006


Hmph. In my day, we let our emu's kiss whenever they wanted, but they had privacy, dammit.
posted by crunchland at 6:43 AM on January 20, 2006


Or, perhaps, that even goths, not known for their ironic posturing are still somehow more ironic than emos.

I don't actually see any comparison between Goth and Emo.

I think it's the "woe is me" thing that they are both alleged to have in common.
posted by deanc at 6:43 AM on January 20, 2006


fags!

That's Mr. Fags! to you.
posted by Jikido at 6:48 AM on January 20, 2006


It's official. I am old. I have no idea what any of you are talking about. WTF is Emo, and do I even care?
posted by JeffK at 6:51 AM on January 20, 2006


They've had this sort of thing in Japan for years. Even Sailor Moon's arch enemy was originally two characters, who by all outward appearances were male lovers. The two characters were merged to pass inspection by American censors.

"But perhaps the most intriguing and consistent evidence for Japanese women’s fascination with transgender/homosexuality occurs in girls’ comics (shoojo manga) featuring stories of ‘boy love’ (shoonen’ai)."
posted by crunchywelch at 6:52 AM on January 20, 2006


Do mean this Emo?


posted by JeffK at 6:53 AM on January 20, 2006


goths, not known for their ironic posturing

I think artists like Robert Smith, Nick Cave and even that tosser Marilyn Manson can see the irony in their songs more than most.

Not a great song but I love these lyrics by Nick:

"The f**ked-up rastafarian says it
The dribbling libertarian says it
The sweet little goth
With the ears of cloth says
Babe, I'm on fire"

posted by twistedonion at 6:53 AM on January 20, 2006


You call that gay, that's not so gay, now this is gay.
posted by pekar wood at 6:55 AM on January 20, 2006


Emo = retro 70's British glam.

Discuss.
posted by daq at 6:59 AM on January 20, 2006


You call that gay, that's not so gay, now this is gay.

oh it so is...



Give me emo over cheesy chavs anyday.
posted by twistedonion at 7:01 AM on January 20, 2006


Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa gotta love the Gotti haircut.

Meanwhile, emo boys kissings = teh hawt.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:06 AM on January 20, 2006 [1 favorite]


Best part about that myspace page is the name of the group leader (is it a self-parodying joke or not? see above on, "emos have no sense of humor?"):


Group Leader:
Pull Up My Sleeves And See The Pattern Of My Cuts
posted by availablelight at 7:07 AM on January 20, 2006


twistedonion - I bet lots of girls think those guys are as hot as the kissing emo boys.

I think the guy on the far left is definitely the coolest.
posted by tcobretti at 7:10 AM on January 20, 2006


In reference to this post's title, I thought boi was the term now used by young lesbians who favor stereotypically male dress. That is, boi != boy, regardless of emo status.
posted by MrMoonPie at 7:18 AM on January 20, 2006


MrMoonPie my choice of words was drawn from Avril Lavigne's Sk8er Boi (track 2 from her album Let Go).
posted by 13twelve at 7:22 AM on January 20, 2006


I don't think this has anything to do with gayness or gothdom. This is just the "revelatory submission" that emo boys are really just nerdy girls with less makeup. (Though they're all skinny white people who shouldn't be allowed to dress themselves).

Are you sure those are boys?
posted by Optamystic at 4:16 AM PST on January 20 [!]


Exactly.
posted by nixerman at 7:29 AM on January 20, 2006


MrMoonPie, how do one pronounce boi? The same as boy?
posted by nkyad at 7:31 AM on January 20, 2006


Truly, if we step back and consider the articles last year about the increase in same-sex experimentation among girls, it isn't surprising that the boys would catch up as well. This is a cultural shift, so it shouldn't be expected to remain with one gender.

A group of boys, of a culture type I've never heard of, located in a niche spot on the internet...a cultural shift does not make.
posted by Atreides at 7:32 AM on January 20, 2006


D'awww, that's sweet.

NO WAIT A SECOND I HAVE AN EVEN BETTER EMO/GOTH STEREOTYPE!!!
posted by Drexen at 8:00 AM on January 20, 2006


I was emo before emo was hawt, back when I was just a skinny kid who wrote bad poetry and didn't like to get his hair cut.

Come to think of it, it did get me chicks back then.
posted by Astro Zombie at 8:02 AM on January 20, 2006


Yes, nkyad, I believe the pronunciation is the same. 13twelve, I just checked the urban dictionary listing, and got a chuckle.
posted by MrMoonPie at 8:07 AM on January 20, 2006


sourwookie: "I'm so Emo I lubricate with my tears when I masturbate."

This is hilarious!
posted by OmieWise at 8:12 AM on January 20, 2006


what happenned to getting chicks the old fashioned way by being a GUY. you know what i mean...just a normal guy who is strong, confident, doesn't sell out and not afraid to ask a girl out. honestly it's worked for me overthe past 5 years. what DIDN'T work for me was being a whiney little fuck in high school who was too afraid to ask a girl out, listened to sappy bad music, and was everyone's friend(even the people i didn't like). maybe i WAS on the path to emo. i am glad i avoided it. in that spirit, i submit THIS to the jury.
posted by Doorstop at 8:28 AM on January 20, 2006


I think some of you are just jealous because you don't have anyone to french, male or female.
posted by crunchland at 8:35 AM on January 20, 2006


just a normal guy who is strong, confident

Yeah, like a "normal guy" who's "strong" and "confident" enough to kiss his buddy without freaking out. Like that kind of normal guy.
posted by mediareport at 8:37 AM on January 20, 2006


realultimateemo.net
posted by hypocritical ross at 8:40 AM on January 20, 2006


Thanks for this, 13twelve. I remember when emo meant Rites of Spring, not eyeliner, but this is a neat pointer to a funny, sexy cultural tidbit. Ignore the idiot haters.
posted by mediareport at 8:40 AM on January 20, 2006


Doorstop, I don't think you can really blame them for anything. In the spirit of "whatever works," if you can't appeal to women by being a guy it makes perfect sense to appeal to women by being a girl and relying on some latent bisexual urge. I find it oddly appropriate that males like seeing lesbians going at it and females like seeing effeminate males go at it. Personally, I think it's less a gender role thing and more a question of aesthetics.
posted by nixerman at 8:41 AM on January 20, 2006


Imo is a poor substitute for sour cream, IMO.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 8:46 AM on January 20, 2006


The guy second from the left in twistedonion's picture is the kid who stole the red sports car in the movie Fletch.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:49 AM on January 20, 2006


And right in front of him is someone's disembodied left forearm.

Seriously, whose arm is that?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 8:51 AM on January 20, 2006


it's his.
posted by crunchland at 9:01 AM on January 20, 2006


we're doomed.
posted by mcsweetie at 9:03 AM on January 20, 2006


Women don't just like seeing effeminate males go at it. Have you noticed the slash and rps fandoms? Some women like manly men doing other manly men about as much as guys like two women going at it.

By saying effeminate males, it's like you're trying to make the practice more comfortable for you.

What this post is about is just the girls giggling over a couple of boys. But it's not the definitive statement on this.

Some women like to watch two guys kiss and have sex. End sentence. No need to label the type of guys, because it's not like we have to label the type of women some guys like to see together.
posted by FunkyHelix at 9:03 AM on January 20, 2006


I'm going to have to go with daq. Retro 70's brit glam. And it is a 'real life' thing, not just a myspace thing. We have emo kids rocking it in Denver. That means where ever this thing came from (my guess is somewhere in the mid-west near minneapolis) it made its way into the heart of the nether region that is Denver, Colorado. In fact, if you head down to 'lipgloss', you will catch quite a few of them. They might have added their own d-town flavor with the scooters and all, but they like to create their own production companies/'scenes' which are hosted on mySpace, so they are keeping it real somewhat.
posted by kookywon at 9:08 AM on January 20, 2006


FunkyHelix, I'm not convinced. If you read a lot of the slash and rps fanfics you'll see that the "manly men" in these fics are strongly "feminized" before, during and after the sex act. These fics almost always follow the cliche of men discovering the inner sensitivity and emotional turmoil that's historically regulated to women.

Or so I've heard.

And Brokeback Mountain is a mainstream slashfic that suggests it's not a niche thing.
posted by nixerman at 9:09 AM on January 20, 2006


Why is it so threatening to conclude that women get off on to men the way men get off on two women?

Do you think gay men are the only ones buying gay porn?
posted by FunkyHelix at 9:14 AM on January 20, 2006


JeffK, funny you should mention Emo Phillips. Until recently, I thought they were named after him. They do share a striking resemblance.
posted by Lillitatiana at 9:14 AM on January 20, 2006


No need to label the type of guys, because it's not like we have to label the type of women some guys like to see together.

Well, we should at least generalize to those of the "hot" variety. Nobody likes seeing two ugly butch women going at it. At least, nobody I know that isn't an ugly butch woman. Likewise fat hairy sweaty guys kissing. I doubt the girls are really into that.
posted by antifuse at 9:15 AM on January 20, 2006


FunkyHelix, uh, I don't feel threatened by it. And yes, I've stopped beating my wife. I just disagree with you. I think what's going on here and, now that you bring it up, what's going on when women watch gay porn is very different from what's going on when guys get off to lesbian porn.
posted by nixerman at 9:23 AM on January 20, 2006


nah, i just wonder what motivates a guy to kiss another guy in order to win the girl. what i meant by my previous statement is that i have never felt the necessity to put on a show or be anyone but myself in order to get a girl. if they like me, awesome. if they don't, they're loss. this boy on boy stuff doesn't seem like a gender role thing, or a bi- or homosexual thing, so much as a cry of attention thing. you know, the entire theme behind emo to begin with.

btw, mediareport, let it be known that it's not that i would ever freak out about kissing my buddy (i have kissed a guy on the cheek once or twice when it is appropriate, i'm sure that a lot of guys have), its more about NOT broadcasting it over the web to get more attention i SO desperately crave.
posted by Doorstop at 9:24 AM on January 20, 2006


now that you bring it up, what's going on when women watch gay porn is very different from what's going on when guys get off to lesbian porn.

So then, guys aren't masturbating either?
posted by FunkyHelix at 9:26 AM on January 20, 2006


Agreed - most things in the Emo scene from my observations, are an attention thing - rather than any thing any deeper.

Incedentally - I need to pass this post on to some of my Hardcore friends (Hardcore punk - often vegan edge) and see what they make of it.
posted by 13twelve at 9:26 AM on January 20, 2006


Broke Back Sunday.
posted by dhartung at 9:29 AM on January 20, 2006


most things in today's pop culture world ARE attention seeking. i just wonder when these punk music subgenres ceased to be a state of mind and political revolution so much as whining and "hey look at me...i'm so deep".
posted by Doorstop at 9:30 AM on January 20, 2006


Years ago some girl I was working on tried to get me to kiss a buddy of mine because she thought it would be "Hot". We both declined to entertain her wishes but I still got together with her later on that night.

Is it Teh Hot or is it a I-Can-Make-This-Boy-Kiss-That-Boy?

And I really like the clone boy chav pic up there. If I ran into that pack of wanks, I think I'd just start laughing at them.
posted by fenriq at 9:40 AM on January 20, 2006


Broke Back Sunday.

Oh, dude. We can do better than that! How about:

Hüsky Düdes
The Get Off Kids
Jimmy Eat Sean

And that's just off the top of my head. Take a shot.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 9:40 AM on January 20, 2006


/Hopes no-one finds out I only really contributed as a way of pseudobookmarking a thread on Hot! Emo! Boys!.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 9:41 AM on January 20, 2006


Doorstop - I recommend Punky Bruster to you.
(no *not* Brewster, nowt to do with Henry Rollins, this is Devin Townsend)
posted by 13twelve at 9:43 AM on January 20, 2006


this boy on boy stuff doesn't seem like a gender role thing, or a bi- or homosexual thing, so much as a cry of attention thing

I tend to think a lot of the girl-on-girl stuff that's out there is the same. I mean, have you ever seen Girls Gone Wild? These aren't real lesbians (who fall in love with and date other women), but women putting on a show for a male, heterosexual audience. Which is fine. Just sayin'.

Who knows why people like what they like? When I'm feeling cynical, I tend to think that men like lesbian porn because it contains all the hotness of sex and chicks, without the threatening image of another man (and his abnormally large schlong) in the picture.

I don't know if I actually get turned on looking at beautiful men kiss, but I do like it. It's thrilling somehow.

Actually dating a bisexual man was a pain in the ass. Twice the competition. And when my pretty, longhaired boyfriend turned to me and said, "I miss sucking cock," it sure made me question my adequacy as a sex partner.
posted by apis mellifera at 9:56 AM on January 20, 2006


If you read a lot of the slash and rps fanfics you'll see that the "manly men" in these fics are strongly "feminized" before, during and after the sex act.

I strongly, strongly suggest you get a broader sampling.

Just for reference, I'm a girl who likes to watch guys get together -- and I think it's for, uh, just about identical reasons some guys like to watch girls get together. But of course, I don't really like watching anyone who's emo.
posted by booksandlibretti at 9:57 AM on January 20, 2006


wow... well i wasn't commenting on sexual preference OR the performances of porn stars so much as how much i LOATHE the subculture of neediness in our society. to me, this isn't about sex or turn ons so much as a pretentious attitude put on by these people, which i feel mocks reality. but point well taken, apis mellifera.

13twelve, looks interesting. i haven't heard of this guy yet, i'll have to listen to some of his stuff. thanks!
posted by Doorstop at 10:05 AM on January 20, 2006


Doesn't anybody just fuck anymore?
posted by bardic at 10:20 AM on January 20, 2006


Some Lots of women like to watch two guys kiss and have sex. End sentence.

This is indeed a definite cultural "shift." Slash fiction has been around for years, but heteroflexibility is increasingly pervasive and accepted behavior. Good for them.
posted by mrgrimm at 10:57 AM on January 20, 2006


French this!
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 11:06 AM on January 20, 2006


Another bunch of links I daren't click at work...
posted by alumshubby at 11:36 AM on January 20, 2006


:Pd:

(emoticon french kissing emoticon)
posted by brain_drain at 11:43 AM on January 20, 2006


Erm.... isn't this old? Like, a couple of years ago? And is anyone surprised? Haven't you all read any slash in the last ten years?
posted by jokeefe at 11:59 AM on January 20, 2006


I'll bet the PR dept. @ Heineken is trying to get to that site to erase their battles from the pic. ....talk about BAD PR!!
posted by wavespy at 12:23 PM on January 20, 2006


ooops, I mean BOTTLES! Stupid public education!
posted by wavespy at 12:24 PM on January 20, 2006


Oh great. Now I’m gay.
posted by Smedleyman at 12:49 PM on January 20, 2006


It’s not the heteroflexibility thing that irritates me, it’s the foppishness. It’s not new*. Yet as a machosexual it is I who is disregarded as anachronistic, much as Gregory Peck. I sweat without aid of cologne or deodorant. I bleed casually from the face after shaving and may apply toilet paper if it was bad enough, I consider styptic pencils borderline effete. I blow snot out of my nose with my finger - in public. If I used a handkercheif it would be because I saw my grandfather do it or I was from the south and it would probably be a red bandana. I don't care what my hair looks like - REALLY - I'm not simply attempting to appear to not care while carefully adjusting my coif to appear cutely touseled. My muscles are for labor and contact sports not for show. I do not shave my body hair because it repels mosquitos and keeps my skin from getting burned by the sun.
I like looking like a silverback gorilla because no one fucks with a silverback gorilla. I tan naturally and incidentally usually on one arm or around my t-shirt and typically around my watch. I actually have played the sports I watch. I cut my nails with a pocket knife, if I do cut them with a clipper I consider them well manicured, if I get a massage it's only because my muscles ache after working out or working hard, and even then I would have to have serious injuries before I would admit to NEEDING one. When I do need a massage I want it from a guy named "Vic" or "Stan" or "Frank" who looks like Ben Grimm ("The Thing" from the Fantastic Four) if he wore Brillcream in his hair and wore white pants and t-shirt and a towel over his shoulder and had forearms like Popeye and thick butcher's fingers and he's got a medicine ball near the massage table that stinks like old leather and machine oil and we talk about the Bears and what bastards those politicians are.
I don't hide bruises with toner because the kinds of guys who would ask me about them are the kinds of guys who I want to have conversations with. Deep black and blue marks on my face are better than having moisturizer of any kind on it.
I prefer my hair cut from an ex-military barber or an old Italian man who still uses Clubman talc and knows how to shave the back of my hairy neck with a straight razor, and asks before he does my eyebrows because some of us don't mind looking like Gandalf or a mentat from "Dune" and we don't all want cartoonishly perfect eyebrows like Speed Racer or Billy Zane. I wear my clothes off the rack - because they're just fucking clothes. I prefer my tools top of the line because they're fucking TOOLS. I say "Yo" without irony.
I grab my crotch and adjust my balls without a hint of sexual innuendo or insecurity. My baseball hats are ripped and spotted and worn because I've worn them to keep the sun our of my face, not because I bought them that way. I don't wear truckerwear or a John Deere hat or mechanic's jackets unless I'm a trucker, farmer, or mechanic because I actually have a job myself and I respect others who do actual work as opposed to those making an ironic social fashion statement.
My jeans are jeans, I don't know what brand they are because I ripped the label off one night while drinking because it aggrivates me to have a logo that close to my ass. Good grooming is when I notice I have 5 oclock shadow and I shave. My watch is not a fashion statement and I've replaced the band more than twice. During sex I prefer to look at my partner more than myself. I have a gut but I've got large arms and a strong grip as opposed to having six-pack abs and weak wrists. My ribs pack love handles, but I can take a hit, which I expect to do when an NFL coach notices me in the stands and calls me in for a few plays. Yes, I know that's delusional, but it's my fantasy and it's a better one than wanting to be in an MTV video parody of my own life.
*taken away by men in white coats*

*“A beau is one who arranges his curled locks gracefully, who ever smells of balm, and cinnamon; who hums the songs of the Nile, and Cadiz; who throws his sleek arms into various attitudes; who idles away the whole day among the chair of the ladies, and is ever whispering into some one's ear; who reads little billets- doux from this quarter and that, and writes them in return; who avoids ruffling his dress by contact with his neighbour's sleeve, who knows with whom everybody is in love; who flutters from feast to feast, who can recount exactly the pedigree of Hirpinus. What do you tell me? is this a beau, Cotilus? Then a beau, Cotilus, is a very trifling thing.” -Marcus Valerius Martial, Epigrams bk. III, ep. 6
posted by Smedleyman at 1:13 PM on January 20, 2006


*makes out with jonmc*
posted by Mick at 1:41 PM on January 20, 2006


although, here at MetaFilter I may be the ONLY ignorant one )..

Lots of us are ignorant, HuronBob. (And of an age where if we started kissing boys, prison terms would be involved.) I too thought Emo Philips at first, when then the Wiki listed all kinds of Emos.
posted by LeLiLo at 2:28 PM on January 20, 2006


When I do need a massage I want it from a guy named "Vic" or "Stan" or "Frank" who looks like Ben Grimm ("The Thing" from the Fantastic Four) if he wore Brillcream in his hair and wore white pants and t-shirt and a towel over his shoulder and had forearms like Popeye and thick butcher's fingers and he's got a medicine ball near the massage table that stinks like old leather and machine oil and we talk about the Bears and what bastards those politicians are.

That's the most involved homoerotic fantasy I've ever heard. You must have spent years filling in the details in beatoff session after session.
posted by fleetmouse at 2:43 PM on January 20, 2006


I'm gay, so I don't mind a bit.
posted by moonbird at 4:15 PM on January 20, 2006


If I used a handkercheif it would be because I saw my grandfather do it or I was from the south and it would probably be a red bandana.

Um ... you do know what a red handkerchief means, don't you?

Wheee!
posted by mrgrimm at 4:34 PM on January 20, 2006


They're just teen boys kissing. Get over it. Am I the only one who finds emo girls kissing sexy?! I don't think so...

Culturally, it's been quite acceptable for guys to appreciate two sexy, young girls making out. That's what half of the whole skanky girls gone wild thing is, after all. Heaven forbid that the people kissing are cute, look like real teens and not like L.A. porn stars, aren't drunk off their ass, aren't sorority sisters on Spring Break, and that someone took a picture of what it looks like when two people who are interested in each other really kiss.

And if they're young men, you can just forget about it. That's just not American!

Of course, if you thought that, you'd be part right. The newfound popularity of young women looking at young men kissing is actually Japanese in origin, I suspect.

I bet if you really looked into this relatively newfound interest of young American girls in boys kissing, you could trace a lot of it back to the Japanese manga-anime culture of yaoi, to fanfic, and to the ability of sites like LiveJournal and MySpace to allow today's teens a more active role in creating their own visual and societal culture, rather than having it all created for them.

Sure, they're dealing with sex and arguably pornography at an earlier age, but they kind of *have* to, don't they? I see this "emo boys kissing" trend as pretty healthy, really. It allows young teen girls to safely fantasize and explore their sexuality, and it probably allows young boys who are gay or bisexual to feel better about themselves and be more accepted. If you don't want your daughter to look at it, then that's your responsibility.

My wife has a younger niece in her mid-teens who listens to a lot of the same music that we listen to. She even dresses like we used to when we were teens. That said, things like yaoi, fanfic, community sites, etc... those are quickly becoming the focus of the *REAL* generational gap. The heart of the generational gap is no longer what is made and marketed for them, but the spaces they create for themselves where they interact with each other.

It seems stupid and old to ridicule such generational differences. Many people will not "get it", just like many people didn't get Rock'n'Roll at first. You didn't like being called a hippie / goth loser / slacker / GenX'r in your time, I suspect... so why disparage the next generation?
posted by insomnia_lj at 5:03 PM on January 20, 2006


you do know what a red handkerchief means, don't you?

It must be very difficult being a colorblind fetishist on the prowl.
posted by deadcowdan at 5:47 PM on January 20, 2006


The heart of the generational gap is no longer what is made and marketed for them, but the spaces they create for themselves where they interact with each other.

Hear, hear. Well said, i_lj.
posted by mrgrimm at 6:48 PM on January 20, 2006


insomnia_lj - it's not about the exploration of sexuality. it's about attention whoring. emo whiney-ness aside for a moment, posting pictures of yourself doing things you normally would do in private online is a attention seeking activity. porn star do not count, they're paid to do that and they are about as real as a fantasy about angelina jolie. now your wife's neice for instance, would you like it if she posted pictures of her kissing other girls on the net for guys to drool over? i don't think so. as far as it being their choice... fine! its their choice. but should we encourage whining amongst our youth? or should we encourage maturity and self-reliance? as i said before, everyone goes through a phase in their life seeking attention, mine was in high school and quite frankly i grew past that. i do not BLAME kids for having that phase in their lives. i do, hoever, hate promoting such immaturity. that's all.
posted by Doorstop at 6:56 PM on January 20, 2006


posting pictures of yourself doing things you normally would do in private online is a attention seeking activity

*gasp* Really?

(Is this guy for real? Emo poses a threat to American Manhood by "encouraging whining amongst our youth"? What a hoot.)
posted by mediareport at 8:35 PM on January 20, 2006


I've known several guys who will randomly kiss each other just to get the attention of the girls. It works. None of them are emo or effeminate, they just enjoy the attention.

Just saying is all.
posted by cali at 9:38 PM on January 20, 2006


I saw emo kissing Santa Claus.
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:35 PM on January 20, 2006


hot
posted by beachgrrlmusic at 12:30 AM on January 21, 2006


"it's not about the exploration of sexuality. it's about attention whoring..."

It's about teens acting in ways that are very teen... insecure, feeling isolated, seeking approval, attention, and acceptance.

You say emo whiner, I say metrosexual in the making. They're learning, basically, that they're okay the way they are, and the online space they share is a valuable tool for them to learn that lesson much more rapidly than previous generations.

Young teens are forced to learn the hard knocks about their sexuality through their peers, and it ain't pretty. Many will become victims of the process. I think the online spaces out there could help with this, however. Not to say that there won't be victims there too, but there will also be a whole lot of people who find themselves and other likeminded individuals that much easier.
posted by insomnia_lj at 3:34 AM on January 21, 2006


Young teens are forced to learn the hard knocks about their sexuality through their peers, and it ain't pretty.

Maybe we could set up a mentoring program.
posted by fixedgear at 4:35 AM on January 21, 2006


Confusion is sex.
posted by bardic at 11:44 AM on January 21, 2006


Okay, so emo boys kissing emo boys is hot, but some of those photos were just plain gay porn, yes? Does this muddy the issue, or am I not understanding something? I hate being confused about sexual confusion.
posted by ancientgower at 7:24 PM on January 22, 2006


“That's the most involved homoerotic fantasy I've ever heard. You must have spent years filling in the details in beatoff session after session.” -posted by fleetmouse

Pretty much....

D’oh! Your tricky wit overwhelmed me
posted by Smedleyman at 3:59 PM on January 23, 2006



posted by pieisexactlythree at 9:32 PM on January 23, 2006


I'm so Emo I lubricate with my tears when I masturbate.
posted by sourwookie at 8:02 AM CST on January 20 [!]


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