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The video requested by Judicial Watch was taken from security cameras at the Pentagon, the Sheraton National Hotel, the Nexcomm/Citgo gas station, and Virginia Department of Transportation traffic cameras.Surely, if there is no basis for withholding the video, it must all be released? I guess expecting the media to make sense it a little naive of me..
Jill Farrell, Judicial Watch's director of media affairs, told CNN she would not know which video will be released "until we see it."
I do remember after 9/11 condi rice going out campaigning to put in a ballistic missile shield.
you know, it's pretty amazing to think how quickly the pentagon got fixed
"Moonbat whacko insane people say that the hole in the pentagon was not big enough to be caused by a plane. Well, it was, because we say so. Psychotic freedom hating liberal fuckwads who sin against appointed-by-God Bush go on to say that kerosene won't melt skyscrapers. Well, this kerosene did, and anyway it just had to soften these weak spots we found in a drawing. Which it could do. Because we say so. Terrorist sympathizers who hate America, God and you in that order claim that there were no bodies at the scene. Well, a guy says there were, and he speaks truth and the lack of any other evidence lies, because we say so. Ideologically unsound liberal riff-raff who deserve only painful death say that there's no sign of a plane at the scene. Well, here's a picture of a small crumpled-looking something, which is sufficient evidence of a plane. Because we say so. And the same guy who says he saw bodies also says he saw some plane things."Now that's refute-o-riffic!
"FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt."
I read the first chapter of this book (you can download it free from www.madcowprod.com) and found the points Hopsicker attempts to make to be completely stupid.....certainly not convincing. He tries to make it seem odd that the hijackers picked Venice, Florida for their flight school location. He even contradicts himself. On page 24 he tries to say that Florida is nothing like Saudi Arabia (true enough) but then he says that locals leave in the summer because it gets hot. As if Saudi Arabia is not hot?Jesus, It's like a part-time job when the tin-foil hat club comes around...
On Page 29, Hopsicker states that Venice, Fl is "Stuck in the sweltering middle of nowhere" but earlier on page 28 he says Venice is "sandwiched among the better-heeled resorts". So what is it?...in the middle of nowhere or a vacation destination. The truth is, Venice is not in the "sweltering middle of nowhere". It is on the beach and is only 18 miles from Sarasota and only an hour from Tampa. Mapquest will tell you that....but maybe Mapquest is part of a conspiracy?
So Hopsicker's week argument that it was somehow strange that the hijackers picked Venice, Fl as their training ground is complete nonsense. It seems like a logical place to me. It is in a beautiful place, it has a flight school capable of teaching commercial pilots, its not far from major international airports, and its not in a conspicuous place.
Another thing that is laughable about the first chapter is that Hopsicker spends a lot of time trying to prove that Atta was a bad guy....as if that is not obvious already! He tells us that Atta kills kittens. And we are supposed to be shocked? A guy flies a jet into a building killing thousands of people and we are supposed to be shocked that he also killed some kittens? Hopsicker goes on to say that the FBI said nothing about "Kitten Killer Atta". Perhaps they felt that the kittens didn't really contribute much to their case...just a wild guess.
He also finds it strange that police were guarding the airport in Venice two months after 9/11 and insinuates that they must have been covering something up. Come on.....I would think it was strange if the police weren't guarding the airport. They certainly stepped up security around the airports in other parts of the nation.
He also tries to make a conspiracy around people not wanting to talk after the attacks. As if the FBI was covering things up and put a gag order on them. I think usual protocol when law enforcement is conducting an investigation, is to not talk about a case because it may affect evidence.
wouldn't that suggest he was mighty particular about the impact site?
The 270 degree right turn had me puzzled, until I realized that it would provide a simple set of landmarks for the pilot. Just intercept the Potomac River north of town, follow it south until you see the Washington Monument or Capitol. We used to use white country churches to navigate low-level over North and South Carolina, since they stand out clearly against the green or brown background.The 270 degrees in the flight plan analysis comes from what looks like a Washington Post graphic, and the flight path is based on his experience landing large planes.
Upon passing the Washington Monument, the plan may have been for the pilot to make a right turn and dive into the building. A right turn at this point would have led the airplane to hit Pentagon on the Potomac River side where the Secretary of Defense has his office.
But being unfamiliar with flying large airplanes at high speeds, the pilot wouldn't have taken into account the large radius required to make the turn. This would explain the circuitous 270 degree turn that was made to the impact point.
According to the 9-11 report, the plane began to turn 3:47 seconds before it hit the Pentagon. If it was traveling 500 miles an hour, that would mean it had to travel 163,495 feet before it hit the pentagon. That's more than a 30 miles turn.
At 9:34, Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport advised the Secret Service of an unknown aircraft heading in the direction of the White House. American 77 was then 5 miles west-southwest of the Pentagon and began a 330-degree turn. At the end of the turn, it was descending through 2,200 feet, pointed toward the Pentagon and downtown Washington. The hijacker pilot then advanced the throttles to maximum power and dove toward the Pentagon.
At 9:37:46, American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, traveling at approximately 530 miles per hour.
my ***guess*** is that it was a military plane - which would explain the maneuverability and small impact hole.
Paragraph #2246 (on page 459)But, I still don't think that is adequate to address Smedleyman's questions..
121. In response to allegations that NORAD responded more quickly to the October 25, 1999, plane crash that killed Payne Stewart than it did to the hijacking of American 11, we compared NORAD’s response time for each incident.The last normal transmission from the Stewart flight was at 9:27:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time. The Southeast Air Defense Sector was notified of the event at 9:55, 28 minutes later. In the case of American 11, the last normal communication from the plane was at 8:13 A.M. EDT. NEADS was notified at 8:38, 25 minutes later. We have concluded there is no significant difference in NORAD’s reaction to the two incidents. See NTSB memo, Aircraft Accident Brief for Payne Stewart incident, Oct. 25, 1999; FAA email, Gahris to Myers,“ZJX Timeline for N47BA accident,” Feb. 17, 2004.
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i've always wondered what could possibly be the arguments in hiding this.
(besides the obvious conspiracy reasons)
posted by zenzizi at 10:12 AM on May 16, 2006