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July 31, 2008 6:13 PM   Subscribe

Oh happy day — the new Delicious is here "Over the past few days we’ve been transitioning Delicious over to our new platform, quietly starting with RSS feeds and APIs. Today we’re taking the final step and flipping the switch on the new web site".
posted by tellurian (90 comments total) 9 users marked this as a favorite

 
The best, long-awaited feature (for me) is the ability to share imported bookmarks. Thanks dreamyshade.
posted by tellurian at 6:20 PM on July 31, 2008


A little heads up wold have nice. I was trying to save something and suddenly my damn log in didn't work anymore.

and boo, ya gotta dig to see all your tags now, as opposed to having them automatically displayed.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:29 PM on July 31, 2008


Looks like a blue and white twitter.
posted by rivenwanderer at 6:31 PM on July 31, 2008


It just looks so purdy, I havent used it in a while but ill have to start using it again.
posted by Del Far at 6:32 PM on July 31, 2008


I have, honestly, never been to Delicious (or del.icio.us). What, um, is it?
posted by shakespeherian at 6:33 PM on July 31, 2008


FRom what I can gather, it's people sharing their bookmark collections.
posted by jonmc at 6:36 PM on July 31, 2008


As far as I can tell, it's an online bookmarking system with tags. I don't understand the social aspect of it, since I only bookmark things that everyone else is too stupid to understand.
posted by meowzilla at 6:37 PM on July 31, 2008 [7 favorites]


Am I the only one on the internets that doesn't "get" delicious? (dot, dot, wherever)
posted by zardoz at 6:38 PM on July 31, 2008


Huh, I thought delicious was passe. Haven't heard a single fanboi fawn over it for at least a year.
posted by DU at 6:39 PM on July 31, 2008 [1 favorite]


Great series of comments so far!
posted by proj at 6:41 PM on July 31, 2008 [1 favorite]


I have, honestly, never been to Delicious (or del.icio.us). What, um, is it?

It's a "social bookmarking" site. Basically, you can "save" bookmarked sites to it and thus access them from anywhere, and share them with others. Think of it as kind of like a personal MetaFilter crossed with MySpace/Facebook/etc.
posted by DecemberBoy at 6:42 PM on July 31, 2008


pointless
posted by Zambrano at 6:42 PM on July 31, 2008


It was only after years of using it I realised I was using del.icio.us like I use plain old browser bookmarks: a dump to put things and then forget about them until they 404.

I think you have to use links when you see them, or else you're faster just searching again, next time. So now I Instapaper stuff to read when I've more time (the iPhone client for this is *killer*), and Tumble curios I've found.

For everything else, there's Google.
posted by bonaldi at 6:44 PM on July 31, 2008 [7 favorites]


you can "save" bookmarked sites to it and thus access them from anywhere

I know it has all these fancy features, social networking aspects and collaborative blah blah blah, but I only use to it share bookmarks between work/school/home computers. Works like a charm.
posted by Adam_S at 6:46 PM on July 31, 2008


My favorite site in all the internets, the awesome tag, still works. No complaints.
posted by mullingitover at 6:54 PM on July 31, 2008 [4 favorites]


Related
posted by tellurian at 6:56 PM on July 31, 2008


Ah! Thanks for sending me back there. I meant to post this on here somewhere. (via the top of my delicious links)
posted by danb at 6:57 PM on July 31, 2008


am i the only one who thinks the new design looks like ass?

dear internet at large - not everything has to be rounded.
posted by nadawi at 7:00 PM on July 31, 2008 [1 favorite]


Eh, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
posted by mattbucher at 7:00 PM on July 31, 2008 [4 favorites]


Delicious is great for three reasons (IMO): 1) It lets me get at my bookmarks no matter where I am in the world. 2) It outputs RSS feeds of each bookmark tag so I can easily "send" links to people I have told to subscribe to my feeds. 3) Google is good for finding stuff, but sometimes you want to find something by browsing, or when you only want to find links that others like (sometime MANY others link.) This is the social aspect of Delicious; instead of googling something, think about what "tag" one might assign to the webpage you're looking for, and check out what the population of delicious users have tagged that. For example http://del.icio.us/tag/maps/, http://del.icio.us/tag/oregon/, or http://del.icio.us/tag/batshitinsane/

Personally I don't like the new UI, but maybe it'll grow on me.
posted by pwb503 at 7:01 PM on July 31, 2008 [2 favorites]


am i the only one who thinks the new design looks like ass?

No.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:01 PM on July 31, 2008


Typical mefi of late - all the "I could care less about this topic" before any real discussion begins.

If they made searching faster-better, that will be a plus. BUT - I do not like the fact that descriptions and tags are now invisible. What's the point of having descriptions if they can't be seen? Is that a preference or view alternative thing that I am missing?
posted by madamjujujive at 7:08 PM on July 31, 2008


I think you have to use links when you see them, or else you're faster just searching again, next time.

Faster? That's funny. I use delicious to organize bookmarks on a couple of subjects, hundreds of bookmarks accumulated over a very long period of time that I use often. It keeps my browser uncluttered and I can access them from anywhere. It would take me years to do the searching to find them again. Sure, if you're just bookmarking random web pages and never going back, what's the point. But for me its indispensable and your point invalid.

Huh, I thought delicious was passe. Haven't heard a single fanboi fawn over it for at least a year.
posted by DU


I know DU. When flickr was sold you gave the same little rant. "People still use flickr?"

I find it amusing how much it bothers you that other people use and enjoy these applications.
posted by Dennis Murphy at 7:09 PM on July 31, 2008 [1 favorite]


Delicious has been pretty useful for me. I often work on different computers, and need to share or reference links, and as long as you have a tag system that works for you, it makes it super easy to organize and find reference links. Socially, I have a few friends who are into similar things and often check what they're tagging as well.

And yeah, the new UI is pretty yuck looking to me.
posted by yeloson at 7:13 PM on July 31, 2008


I HEART del.icio.us (and will continue to spell it that way). I like that I can have the same bookmarks on different computers, and also find it very useful for finding interesting things. I subscribe to several tags that never fail to spit interesting content at me.
posted by brundlefly at 7:15 PM on July 31, 2008


i use delicious to access my bookmarks where ever and to find pictures of girls in knee high socks.

you know, my use of flickr is almost identical. i use it to store pictures so i can see them everywhere and to search the kneehigh tag. maybe one day i'll have a web 2.0 application that is for personal organization with constant updates of girls with stripes up to their thighs.
posted by nadawi at 7:16 PM on July 31, 2008


I love delicious because it's pretty much invisible to me. The social side is invisible. I don't post things to delicious thinking "I'm going to go do some social-bookmark-tagging!", I just post things in lieu of bookmarking them in my browser, knowing I'll be able to access them at home, work, wherever, and the tags make it easy to search. And the "Inbox" listing all recent links posted by people who I find interesting is a goldmine for cool places to go on the web.

The only thing that shits me is the Web2.0-centric nature of the "Popular" front page; it's all SEO-this and Ruby-that and 13-awesome-ways-to-hack-your-productivity-right-now. I skip that and look at the "Recent" bookmarks instead, for more diversity.
posted by Jimbob at 7:33 PM on July 31, 2008


madamjujujive - What's the point of having descriptions if they can't be seen? Is that a preference or view alternative thing that I am missing?

I think what you're looking for is just under your username on the top left. There is a dash, two dashes and three dashes going from left to right. Click on those to change the display of the listings themselves.

And I admit to being another big fan of del.icio.us. I only use it to keep track of my bookmarks, and use none of the social networking aspects, and it is very convenient to have all of that in one place.
posted by ralan at 7:34 PM on July 31, 2008


madamjujujive - I do not like the fact that descriptions and tags are now invisible.
I can see my tags and descriptions. I can see yours too. Your latest:
sexybeijingTV's Channel
Sexy Beijing is a show about dating, love and youth culture in the People's Republic of China.
posted by tellurian at 7:36 PM on July 31, 2008


dear internet at large - not everything has to be rounded.

I'm glad you think that because there are no rounded corners in this design.

I like it. It looks much better and easier to use. And they got rid of the dots, which were very confusing to newcomers.
posted by JDHarper at 7:38 PM on July 31, 2008 [1 favorite]


So why did we switch to delicious.com?

Because you now have enough money to buy the domain name and don't have to fake it with a cheapo .us domain - I wonder how much delicious.com cost them.
posted by stbalbach at 7:40 PM on July 31, 2008 [2 favorites]


Why do so many Web 2.0 apps have periods in the middle of their name? (If Delicious actually abandoned these in its latest incarnation -- I didn't click on the links -- I applaud them.) Is there some significance to it, or is it just their way of proclaiming their unconventionality?
posted by decoherence at 7:42 PM on July 31, 2008


It's about farking time.
posted by humannaire at 7:43 PM on July 31, 2008


I use del.icio.us to store things. It makes it easier to search for something if you know you've probably got it under tag X, and it's a list of hundreds, rather than Googling for term X and finding a list of millions.

I also really enjoy going through my bookmarks after quite some time (I use it sporadically, and subjects tend to clump chronologically), and re-discovering lots of cool things.

The addition to the latest Firefox of integrating with del.icio.us is quite handy as well, and that (as well as Google Docs/Gears integration) is making me think of leaving Safari for good...

And thank you bonaldi for that link.
posted by djgh at 7:45 PM on July 31, 2008


del.icio.us is perfect for replacing the "Hey check this site out" group emails that always circulate among work teams, especially university labs. Instead of pushing procrastination, you can let people pull it.
posted by anthill at 7:56 PM on July 31, 2008 [1 favorite]


I like using it as a central bookmark repository that I can use from any machine. There's a pretty nice Firefox extension for it too. I'm still really bad at tagging though.
posted by hwestiii at 7:56 PM on July 31, 2008


After fiddling with the new delicious for a few hours i am finally liking it better than the previous version.

At first, the new layout and new ways of organizing tags on screen was offputting. But now that i've got it close-enough to the previous layout [mainly by expanding the bookmark descriptions with the three little lines under my username] i can honestly say that it looks better and seems to be a bit quicker to run around in.

If there's one thing i do miss, it is being able to see my tags as a "cloud" instead of merely a list... anybody know if there's a way to change this?

Oh scratch that, just found that there is semi-hidden 'tag options' menu above the tag list. All these little triangle menu hidey-things are throwing me off.
posted by phylum sinter at 8:03 PM on July 31, 2008


Yeah. I always get frustrated with trying to manage bookmark files, dealing with duplicates when I import the same site twice, trying to get the same bookmarks across whatever browser I'm using this month, and finding something from work I want to use at home and from home that I want to use at work.

Although, I don't ever browse through del.icio.us's interface. I have a smart search bookmarklet keyed to search my bookmarks. I just go to the addressbar and type "ds savannah forecast" and I'm one-click away. Or "ds wishlist" and I get all the websites for things I'm thinking of buying. Although the redesign breaks that.

I think the following should work, if you replace username with your delicious username.


http://delicious.com/search?context=userposts&p=%s&lc=1&u=username

posted by KirkJobSluder at 8:12 PM on July 31, 2008


decoherence, take a look at this Wikipedia article on domain hacks
posted by redteam at 8:22 PM on July 31, 2008


thanks, ralan and tellurian - that works and I am much happier now! yay!

I love delicious for accessing bookmarks from anywhere - I have a serious "work" account I share with clients and that is proving very useful and interesting to some of my less web savvy accounts. Then of course my mjjj account for just stuff. I like the network option - it's a great procrastination and surfing tool.
posted by madamjujujive at 8:22 PM on July 31, 2008


I use delicious to organize bookmarks on a couple of subjects, hundreds of bookmarks accumulated over a very long period of time that I use often. It keeps my browser uncluttered and I can access them from anywhere. It would take me years to do the searching to find them again.

Yes, it's surely useful for things like this; it's just the notion of "hundreds of bookmarks ... that I use often" that is totally alien to me. If I use something often, I don't need to file it somewhere to find it. And if it was hundreds of reference items that I use a lot, I'd be more likely to store the content itself lest it all go 404.

(Although, I just went back to 2004 in my delicious to see how many of the links had rotted, and am pleasantly surprised to see that of my first two pages of links, not one has died. That's pretty stunning.)
posted by bonaldi at 8:22 PM on July 31, 2008


JDHarper

huh - i thought i edited round out and replaced it with smooth. you're right - there are no round edges, but the whole thing feels too polished, like the laquer on your grandmother's table.
posted by nadawi at 8:36 PM on July 31, 2008


I prefer it. Suck it, haters.
posted by middleclasstool at 8:43 PM on July 31, 2008 [1 favorite]


Not very fucking happy day at all, since delicious.com is blocked by my corporate firewall. Asstastic.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:55 PM on July 31, 2008


Why do so many Web 2.0 apps have periods in the middle of their name?

Because delicious.com was already taken and icio.us was not.
posted by dobbs at 9:18 PM on July 31, 2008


delicious.com is blocked by my corporate firewall. Asstastic.

Maybe you should try del.icio.us instead? ;)

Or use putty + browser proxy settings + your web host + a case of beer to your company's ops department to gain access to del.icio.us from work?

Pathetic thing is I have to use an SSH tunnel from work half the time, not to evade filtering, but because the goddamn DNS is down about a third of the time. In other words, I have to evade the corporate system just to make the internet work.
posted by middleclasstool at 9:19 PM on July 31, 2008


If you don't need to keep other people apprised of your bookmarks the awesome Foxmarks add-on for Firefox makes your bookmarks accessible and synchronizable from anywhere.

I don't really get accessing online something that is much faster, lighter and more convenient to have locally right in my browser, but to each his own.
posted by loiseau at 9:20 PM on July 31, 2008 [1 favorite]


I evidently have to use it half the time because DNS is down a third of the time because our network is so very bad that it can't understand fractions.
posted by middleclasstool at 9:20 PM on July 31, 2008


For me delicious fulfills a number of useful, non-pointless, non-passé roles:

1. In conjunction with the Delicious Bookmarks Firefox extension, it enables me to synchronise my bookmarks across a number of machines running on various platforms, in an integrated and pleasing way.
2. Tagging means I can find my bookmarks on any of my machines really, really quickly.
2. I can also access those bookmarks from anywhere on the web - something I make use of via my mobile phone a lot, which doesn't have a Delicious plugin yet.
4. I can easily share bookmarks with my partner and/or my friends in a non-invasive way.
5. I can browse other people's bookmarks (that they haven't marked as private) to discover new sites.
6. Browsing tags on the delicious websites makes for quick and easy research.

The new web makeover does little for me, as I rarely hit the site these days - only when travelling - but on first glance it looks neater and if it's quicker too, that can only be a good thing.

(The "I'm too cool for school" tendency that's invading MeFi more and more of late is a real shame - why people who don't find something interesting can't just pass it by and leave it to those who do, I'll never understand. People who proclaim loudly just how disinterested they are in a subject must be great fun at parties...)
posted by benzo8 at 9:44 PM on July 31, 2008


First impression? I really hate it from a utilitarian/user interface perspective. Or to put it another way, I can't find SHIT.
posted by spock at 9:59 PM on July 31, 2008


Oh THERE it is. Right where I left it.
posted by spock at 10:01 PM on July 31, 2008


It is HILARIOUS how fast people figure out how to game a system. Check out this set of related tags (lower right) to the tag "make".
posted by spock at 10:05 PM on July 31, 2008


loiseau: If you don't need to keep other people apprised of your bookmarks the awesome Foxmarks add-on for Firefox makes your bookmarks accessible and synchronizable from anywhere.

I don't really get accessing online something that is much faster, lighter and more convenient to have locally right in my browser, but to each his own.


Assuming said add-on doesn't completely screw up my browser forcing me to dump the entire profile into the recycling bin, an experience that sucked away a good few hours of my time. But, if you want to drink that kool-aid the delicious add-on has been around for a few years and is of very high quality. In fact, foxmarks just seems to have reverse-engineered del.icio.us to a large extent.

bonaldi: For everything else, there's Google.

I'm finding google to be less and less useful for this purpose, as its a nice little ecosystem that puts Search Engine Optimized spam, google's own content, and paid links above the links I want to access. For some topic domains, Google is really bad when a key search term is overshadowed by a more popular use. For newsworthy keywords, there is a strong tendency to favor pages published in the last six months.

Now granted, all of these problems can be solved by adding more search criteria and trying to remember all of the various advanced search syntax specifiers like site: and url: But as an example where Google utterly fails, as of writing this post, the NOAA 7-day forecast for Limestone, TN is nowhere to be seen on the front page of a search using the keywords "noaa forecast limestone tn." Trying the name of random cities reveals that finding the NOAA forecast for a location through google is a bit of a lottery. It's #6 on the page for New York, bumped off the front page for Philly, and #5 for San Francisco, and if you happen to live in a Washington outside of the District of Columbia, you seem to be out of luck.

Thankfully, I can find the weather for the half-dozen cities I visit at least once a year using two keywords in my delicious bookmarks, and I don't have to hunt and peck for the needle in a haystack of SEOd television and radio, NOAA district offices, or matches on the county name rather than the city name.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 10:30 PM on July 31, 2008


Or as another example of a recent frustration, finding where to donate money to fight anti-gay-marriage amendments in Florida, Arizona, and California. Google preferred to dish up news articles about these amendments, and eventually I ended up pulling the name of an activist group away from a quote in an article and searching on that.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 10:38 PM on July 31, 2008


Maybe you should try del.icio.us instead? ;)

Dunno about you, but del.icio.us is now redirecting me to delicious.com, which is blocked.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:44 PM on July 31, 2008


De.liciou.s shines for discovery. Once you tag a page, you can see how other people have described it, and expand out from there to find other related sites.

The great irony of Yahoo swallowing d.elicious. was that Yahoo started out as a human-managed set of links before abandoning all to the mighty spider. .delicious then (effectively) became a crowdsourced version of the original Yahoo, providing the quality filter that was lacking from their own search offering. I'm surprised they don't tie results into their main search engine more.
posted by davemee at 11:30 PM on July 31, 2008 [2 favorites]


For me, I use it like a kind of brief, personal blog. You only get a finite number of characters for your description (I wish we got more, frankly), but I use my main blog to post content that I have created personally that I want to share with others, and I use delicious to have links to things that other people have done. I don't want to clutter up my own site with work done by others. Just a link and a description is enough for that.

You can see mine here. I find it convenient.
posted by MythMaker at 11:36 PM on July 31, 2008


MythMaker, you just reminded me of Jorn Barger's linkblog rant. He rates del.icio.us as a top linkblogging tool, and for the purposes he uses it for, it is. RSS FTW!
posted by davemee at 12:02 AM on August 1, 2008


Seems OK, if a little cluttered. Seems more likely to scare moms away now. My two main UI complaints:

1: Link titles are too faint. The URLs are easier to read than the titles.
2: The bookmark counts are blue instead of red/pink, making them hard to skim.

We'll see if it grows on me and my brain figures out where to look or if I need to go Greasemonkey on it.

I like the faster search, glad they kept tag intersections, decent URLs, didn't screw up RSS.

delicious's biggest value to me is in search. Google, Wikipedia and Delicious tags are my go-to places to find things on the net.
posted by frenetic at 2:44 AM on August 1, 2008


This Delicious. It does something? Something helpful?
posted by Thorzdad at 4:18 AM on August 1, 2008


Why do so many Web 2.0 apps have periods in the middle of their name? (If Delicious actually abandoned these in its latest incarnation -- I didn't click on the links -- I applaud them.) Is there some significance to it, or is it just their way of proclaiming their unconventionality?

1) It would probably have been quicker for you to click the link and find out that, yes, delicious have dropped the dots, than it would have been typing that out just so we all know how much of a fuck you don't give. Heck, just mouseover the link, you'll see it goes to delicious.com. Then you don't even have to waste your valuable clicks on it.

2) So many Web 2.0 companies use this kind of name because it enables them to have a real word as their URL, in a time when most real words have been registered long ago at every conceivable TLD. That this became popular and fashionable is, to some extent, down to del.icio.us itself, which was one of the best known and most used early adopters of the technique. The other main approach, of course, is using a real word but dropping a vowel, as popularised by Flickr. That these approaches became so popular is probably down to the fact that many start ups begin as small hobby projects, without much funding. It's a cheap way of getting a memorable name, and it works as an informal, in-jokey way of marking yourself as being part of a certain crowd. Of course, with the silly money that's floating around at the moment, lots of cruddy start-ups can afford to buy actual words from their current owners, so the meme seems to be dropping off a bit.
posted by flashboy at 4:46 AM on August 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


My gripe, no edit/delete links attached to bookmarks from search.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 4:58 AM on August 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


First impression? I really hate it from a utilitarian/user interface perspective. Or to put it another way, I can't find SHIT.
posted by spock at 12:59 AM on August 1 [+] [!]


Gah! Me either. The switch was more than a bit jolting yesterday. As someone who is a heavy, daily user of the site, I'm just hoping it will eventually grow on me.
posted by Otis at 4:59 AM on August 1, 2008


Dunno about you, but del.icio.us is now redirecting me to delicious.com, which is blocked.

Well, goddamn. Didn't notice that. Why yes, the egg on my face is delicious.
posted by middleclasstool at 5:20 AM on August 1, 2008


Since I got the Firefox delicious add on I never even visit the delicious site anymore. The tag button sits in my toolbar making bookmarking and tagging a one or two click process and there's also another toolbar button that opens all your tags and bookmarks in the sidebar. I use it constantly.
posted by gfrobe at 5:26 AM on August 1, 2008


I think the new delicious seems a lot faster (as someone who uses it every day and has over 2000 bookmarks), probably because of the new symfony implementation.

On the other hand, Google Reader has within the last couple months allowed you to share any link instead of just one that was in your RSS feeds. The main edge that Google Reader has over del.icio.us is that you can search the content of your bookmarked pages, too, not just what you added as a note and the tags. I'm not sure if this is a feature that delicious could ever implement, it's just a side effect of google being google.

What I would like is someone to write a plugin to synchronize all your del.icio.us bookmarks to Google Reader, that way I can use del.icio.us the way I have been, but if I really need to search content I can do it in Google Reader. I started writing one last month but there's no official Google Reader API. There's an unofficial implementation, but I'd hate to code something that's just going to break in a few weeks/months.

My delicious network is still one of the first pages I go to every day.

Isn't the big question here is how delicious makes money, especially since their API is so flexible that more and more people access it through their Firefox plugin, RSS feeds, etc? Or does getting bought out by Yahoo finish the ??? PROFIT equation?
posted by bertrandom at 5:36 AM on August 1, 2008


New Delicious commentary (by someone). The horizontal tag arrangement does make for nice/easy sentence construction.
posted by spock at 5:52 AM on August 1, 2008


I'm not normally a design critic, but I use delicious quite a bit, and this new design is just shamefully bad. Like, Yahoo front page style bad. Which perhaps is not surprising.

The link text is too light. The page should be about the links, because that is what's important. Instead, it's about how many people saved each link. The tags are unreadable, and why are they on little left facing linking arrows? What does the arrow connote? Nothing, these are tags. The 'new bookmarks saved in the last minute' is the most eye catching thing on the page, but its number is formatted all wrong (spaces in between the numbers, like an odometer? why?). And count the number of horizontal rules on the page. Jesus god.

Between this and the generally broken and unusable firefox plugin, this has to count as one of the great internet application swandives of all time. And I worked at etoys.
posted by felix at 6:15 AM on August 1, 2008 [2 favorites]


I think the new delicious seems a lot faster (as someone who uses it every day and has over 2000 bookmarks)
I have a lot more than that and it's the reason I stopped using it. It slowed to a crawl when posting. I used Mento in the interim because it was super, zippy, fast. This incarnation of delicious it just as fast as Mento and because of my legacy links I'll be going back. Now I just need to figure out the most efficient way to get my Mento links into delicious.
posted by tellurian at 6:33 AM on August 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


The tags are unreadable

I disagree: the tags are much more readable in the new format. Just having them on the other side of the list (instead of under the link) makes them much easier to parse.

Also, I like the links split up by day, it's more intuitive. Over-all, I think the new design is great.

My only complaint is the big, ugly icon on each page.
posted by rottytooth at 7:00 AM on August 1, 2008


If social bookmarking STILL doesn't make sense after everyone's explanations, I recommend Commoncraft's Social Bookmarking in Plain English.

(Commoncraft is great for getting people like your mom or your boss to grok this crazy web stuff.)
posted by katieinshoes at 7:38 AM on August 1, 2008


Thank you Yahoo for once again screwing up something I love. I wonder how long it'll be before we have to integrate our del.icio.us ID with fricken yahoo IDs.

madamjujujive writes "Typical mefi of late - all the 'I could care less about this topic' before any real discussion begins. "

A long time problem.
posted by Mitheral at 7:50 AM on August 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


I see it's still virtually impossible to find the firefox extension on the new site, as well, if you're already a member and just need to reinstall it for some reason. Once again, I had to google "del.icio.us firefox extension" to find the page. awesome.
posted by shmegegge at 9:25 AM on August 1, 2008


I use it as a linklog, which also serves as a better browser history for me. See something cute or striking or what have you? I use delicious to bookmark it publicly with a quick note. It serves both as blog fodder (through their automated nightly posting) and as a way for me to track down a website I heard of sometime in the past that has some quality that I'm now looking for.
posted by WCityMike at 9:30 AM on August 1, 2008


pointless

del.icio.us (2 points)
delicious.com (1 point)

half-pointed maybe.
posted by [@I][:+:][@I] at 11:23 AM on August 1, 2008


I have 12,000+ links in del.icio.us under another name. Use it all day every day, highest recommendations. New interface neither joyous nor crushing to me. Unfortunate that the blog posting feature is still 'experimental.' All my efforts to autopost from del.icio.us to blogger have failed, all accounts I've read online say (at best) 'this configuration should work' but it never does. del.icio.us --> yahoo / blogger --> google... I think that's the problem more than any technical problem. It is interesting they have never offered a 'top number of links' feature; no encouragement for quantity perhaps yields quality. But again: de.icio.us is not duplicated by any service I've looked at, does one thing incredibly well. I back my links up regularly just in case they do change things in a crummy way.
posted by eccnineten at 11:30 AM on August 1, 2008 [1 favorite]


After spending some time rooting around with the new interface, here's my review: "Meh." It looks like marketing finally got their claws into the site. It doesn't do anything that wasn't already done with a greasemonkey script years ago, but it at least doesn't hurt anything. I'm disappointed in them for throwing the url under the bus, and I'd bet an In-N-Out burger that some cog in marketing came up with it ("That url is too confusing, we should change it so it's easy to remember.") I'm just counting my blessings that they didn't do anything bad to the functionality.

I still kinda wish that Google had picked up del.icio.us and flickr instead of yahoo. They would've merged much more nicely with Google's ecosystem, as well as Google's UI aesthetic.
posted by mullingitover at 12:13 PM on August 1, 2008


My take is similar to mullingitover: a resounding "meh." I liked the old interface better, it was clean and simple. The new one is an Ajax-y, Mashup-y, Web2.0-y mess that seems to have the marketing department's fingerprints all over it. And I'm particularly cranked that my Firefox extension doesn't work quite the same as it did.

But after I got over my initial irritation, I realized that the functionality is largely the same, del.icio.us does do one thing better than most (although I'm trying ma.gnolia now), and frankly it's free. So whatever.
posted by anvilcity at 12:34 PM on August 1, 2008


KirkJobSluder: But as an example where Google utterly fails, as of writing this post, the NOAA 7-day forecast for Limestone, TN is nowhere to be seen on the front page of a search using the keywords "noaa forecast limestone tn."

I might be missing a point or derailing - sorry - but, searching for weather 37681, the zip code, a four-day forecast comes up.
posted by Pronoiac at 1:04 PM on August 1, 2008


Pronoiac: I might be missing a point...

Yes you are, because the specific page desired was the NOAA 7-day forecast (helpfully linked in the description of the problem) which provides considerably more detail than google's 4-day icons, and it also does not appear on the first page of your search.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 3:36 PM on August 1, 2008


Yeah, while I think the new design's pretty decent (bettter in many ways, but I agree about the links and notes being weirdly shaded compared to other elements), and I love Delicious very much, I do hope they'll now put some effort into the two big failures in their service. Namely, the posting to blog, and the new Firefox add-on.

The Firefox add-on is horrific - changing my keyboard shortcuts without my permission every time I update? That's shitty, shitty, user-unfriendly design - the only reason I've been using it is that the other delicious FF add-ons hadn't yet updated to FF 3.0.

And the integrated post-to-blog feature is still several years behind the time. There's plenty of third-party WordPress plugins that work fine, but I'm forced too use a TypePad blog at work... and even though it's supposedly officially integrated into TypePad, there's zero customisability (you're stuck with the ugly "links for 2008-07-31" format), and the actual implementation is dreadful - it actually posts to the blog about two hours after it's supposed to, but anything you bookmark in those lost hours still won't be posted until the next day. Given that so many businesses use TypePad blogs for their work blogging, and Delicious is promoted as a good fit with TypePad, you'd think that at the very least Six Apart would be badgering them to deliver a more functional service.
posted by flashboy at 4:10 PM on August 1, 2008


Hey, I'm the Delicious community manager intern, and I'd like to thank everyone for a long, useful thread. We read these things. Some responses to a few comments:

We definitely have work to do on improving the contrast and general readability of bookmarks and tags. Note that the old salmon-colored "other people" indicator was unreadable for many colorblind people.

Why the dots in the first place? Wikipedia has a short version of the explanation. The team liked the dots, and nobody forced us take them out, but we also know that they were a stumbling block for many users, people writing about us, etc. (Just try a Google Books search for de.licio.us, www.del.icio.us.com, etc.) The switch to delicious.com is a real usability improvement.

"My gripe, no edit/delete links attached to bookmarks from search." - Yeah, we'll fix that.

Re Firefox add-on issues, keyboard shortcut inconvenience is a known problem. Also, have you guys tried classic mode? It's just the simple bookmarking buttons with no syncing, and some people prefer that.

Feel free to mefimail me if you'd like some personal attention to an issue - I might not respond right away but I'll get to it!
posted by dreamyshade at 5:57 PM on August 1, 2008 [4 favorites]


Delicious is a great website, and I like the redesign.
posted by Jaltcoh at 5:36 AM on August 2, 2008


I'm so frustrated by the flaky (or not working) daily blog posting. It was a major part of our site's content and blogging workflow. We're not up to date with our platform so postalicious doesn't work. Although I did take 9 hours on Sunday to try to upgrade software to use postalicious (a tremendous failure). I guess that's how important that feature is to me. I know "they're working on it" but meanwhile their upgrade broke things for me. Sad.
posted by stevil at 8:28 AM on August 12, 2008


I know; this was unintentional and has frustrated a number of people. I posted in our forums a little about it.
posted by dreamyshade at 2:23 PM on August 12, 2008


KirkJobSluder: "But as an example where Google utterly fails, as of writing this post, the NOAA 7-day forecast for Limestone, TN is nowhere to be seen on the front page of a search using the keywords "noaa forecast limestone tn."

Kirk, sorry to deflate your complaint, but the forecast you're looking for is issued by the National Weather Service, which is part of NOAA. And if you swap "NWS" for "NOAA" in your search terms, the page you're looking for is the fifth result.
posted by WCityMike at 1:27 PM on August 13, 2008


Dreamyshade, just a thought: the Firefox extension really needs to emulate (or, hell, just absorb) the far better extension of del.icio.us Complete, which wasn't updated for FF3. The posting interface for it is a few thousand times better than what delicious' official extension offers.
posted by WCityMike at 1:31 PM on August 13, 2008


WCityMike: "the page you're looking for is the fifth result."

Sixth. I evidently can't count today.
posted by WCityMike at 1:39 PM on August 13, 2008


A lot of people seem to miss the del.icio.us Complete add-on - it's very different from our official Firefox add-on, but not everybody wants the same thing. One person even modified del.icio.us Complete to work with Firefox 3, but I just went and tried that out and it crashed my MacBook Pro hard. Oops.
posted by dreamyshade at 4:21 PM on August 13, 2008


dreamyshade: "A lot of people seem to miss the del.icio.us Complete add-on - it's very different from our official Firefox add-on, but not everybody wants the same thing. One person even modified del.icio.us Complete to work with Firefox 3, but I just went and tried that out and it crashed my MacBook Pro hard. Oops."

I had the exact same experience. But, yeah, I'd love to see del.icio.us take over and/or integrate the del.icio.us Complete add-on ...
posted by WCityMike at 2:07 PM on August 14, 2008


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