What about Ibn Khaldun's Muqaddimah? Many call it the first work of Sociology. And the story of how he met Genghis Khan is priceless. posted by Vhanudux at 2:01 PM on March 31
Those who attacked and denigrated Islamic philosophy maintained that the teachings of Islam opposed all free discussion and investigation, and therefore Islam has never risen to the aid of philosophy and science throughout the centuries of its existence. The only fruits Islam has borne for its followers have been intellectual despotism and dogmatism, they said. They went much further and extended their fallacious notions to general racial characteristics, and extended what they said about philosophy and learning to political matters. - Al-Tawhid: The Study of Islamic Philosophy
I wasn't familiar with Ibn Khaldun before your comment, but I found his economics interesting.
What's notable about these and other influential Muslim scholars/mathematicians/doctors/etc is they were also very much committed to the core principles of Islam. Modern day Orientalists try to dismiss this as them simply going along with the rules of their time for convenience so they could focus on loftier matters, but even a casual glance at their writings shows that they were very much "regular" Muslims, and that served as the bedrock for their other ventures. posted by Burhanistan at 2:09 PM on March 31
Metafilter: On the Incoherence of the Incoherence
(Sorry. Excellent post!) posted by joe lisboa at 2:16 PM on March 31
Wonderful. This is the one area of philosophy I have done no reading in, and I am fascinated by it. Thanks for the resources! posted by strixus at 4:11 PM on March 31
Very interesting. A few months ago I was wondering who invented the concept of the "control" in a scientific experiment, and I discovered it was Abu Musa Jabir Ibn Hayyan, in 800 AD. [Although he might not have been a real person, but a pen name for a group of alchemists]
khaldun seems to have rather clearly expressed a theory of evolution 500 years before Darwin. posted by empath at 6:34 PM on March 31
Rhazes was an interesting fellow as well, although I believe he is best known for his medical works. He was the Richard Dawkins of his day:
If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed. posted by benzenedream at 9:00 PM on March 31 [2 favorites has favorites]
This is a couple of weeks late for me this year, but I'll certainly be revisiting this thread next march when we hit Islam. Great post, thanks! posted by absalom at 9:33 AM on April 1
Rhazes was an interesting fellow as well, although I believe he is best known for his medical works. He was the Richard Dawkins of his day:
I would call that a facile comparison at best. Rhazes still believed in God and the hereafter, he simply found distaste with dogmatic theologians who had no real knowledge of what they said. There are many examples of traditional Islamic scholars alive today who have that same attitude. posted by Burhanistan at 9:38 AM on April 1
Ibn Khaldun, is one of the people I'd have my fantasy lunch with. (You know, if anyone alive or dead could have lunch with you, who would you choose?) Thanks for this thread, it's great to see. posted by luminous phenomena at 10:10 AM on April 1
Do you have a cite for that meeting of Ibn Khaldun and Genghis Khan? posted by atchafalaya at 7:25 PM on April 1
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