Meet America's First Legal Male Prostitute

January 14, 2010 1:46 PM

An interview with the first male gigolo of the Shady Lady Ranch:

I think for a male, if you want to be successful in this type of venture, you're not a prostitute. You're a surrogate lover. You encompass everything that's required of you—not only emotionally, physically—but psychologically. Because women are wired differently. They're much more sensitive creatures. You actually have to enjoy what you do. You can't necessarily say, "Oh, it's just a job." You actually have to say it's a passion.

Background: Nevada has legalized male prostitution (LATimes)
posted by andoatnp (213 comments total)

It's just the same as when Rosa Parks decided to sit at the front instead of the back. She was proclaiming her rights as a disadvantaged, African-American older woman. And I'm doing the same.
posted by ODiV at 1:49 PM on January 14, 2010

what on earth is wrong with that dude's teeth
posted by Optimus Chyme at 1:51 PM on January 14, 2010 [2 favorites]

I'm surprised it wasn't legal before. Did the prostitution law explicitly say you had to be a woman to be a prostitute? Or was it sort of a "gentleman's agreement" among the pimps and madams?
posted by Mister_A at 1:52 PM on January 14, 2010 [3 favorites]

what on earth is wrong with that dude's teeth

Come on now, we really need this kind of sexism? Any time a man is made the subject of an FPP it's like his achievements are merited based on his attractiveness. And people say MeFi isn't a girlzone...



seriously his teeth look like they were designed to filter krill what the fuck
posted by FatherDagon at 1:55 PM on January 14, 2010 [58 favorites]

Mister_A:

Salon.com: Technically, male prostitution wasn't expressly prohibited before, but health codes required "that prostitutes must undergo 'cervical' testing for sexually transmitted diseases," leaving those without a cervix out of a job. Bobbi Davis, owner of the Shady Lady Ranch, hired an ACLU lawyer to ask that the language be changed, and the health board approved the request. Davis intends to have male prostitutes working for her in the new year. Like her female employees, they'll decide whether to accept men, women or both as clients.

posted by andoatnp at 1:56 PM on January 14, 2010 [2 favorites]

Up until recently, Nevada law stated all prostitutes had to submit weekly cervical specimens, which sort of left male prostitutes shafted, so to speak.
posted by roger ackroyd at 1:57 PM on January 14, 2010 [3 favorites]

-you're not a prostitute.
-It's just the same as when Rosa Parks decided to sit at the front instead of the back.

riiiiight. Well, whatever gets your through the day I guess.
posted by edgeways at 1:57 PM on January 14, 2010

When can I start?
posted by oddman at 1:57 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

Also I am pretty sure that this guy hasn't actually started his job yet. I read the whole interview and I am pretty sure this is a sexually inexperienced dude who managed to do a couple porn scenes and decided "maybe I'll be a gigolo" and then some brothel owner wanted the publicity and hired him, but I think the number of customers he'll have is, ohh, zero.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 1:58 PM on January 14, 2010 [2 favorites]

Remember kids, always listen to Kompressor and BRUSH YOUR TEETH.
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:00 PM on January 14, 2010 [3 favorites]

Optimus Chyme: "I think the number of customers he'll have is, ohh, zero."

Maybe they'll put him out to stud.
posted by boo_radley at 2:01 PM on January 14, 2010 [5 favorites]

Ladies, you too can have 5 seconds of bliss and two weeks of wondering what the fuck that smell was with Jaws McDouche! Call today!
posted by Inspector.Gadget at 2:02 PM on January 14, 2010

Well...they have joined the ranks of the Illinois Governor's office. Progress! Profit! Excelsior!
posted by timsteil at 2:04 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

Rule #3: I never refer to any woman as a bitch, ho, twat, cunt, or any of those terms.

How can he be a successful prostitute when he refuses to do what may be requested of him?

You encompass everything that's required of you...

Well, maybe not everything.
posted by stinker at 2:04 PM on January 14, 2010

Now, perhaps it's because I'm of a certain age...but a backwoods redneck with no sex experience is hardly what I'd pay $200 to see naked. When I think gigolo, I'd prefer the young, mostly naked this please. Yum.

But good lord, young men with no experience, no education, and an "artist's soul"....oh honey, any garret in town is swarming with those. You can raise armies of those with nothing more than a smile and a charge account at a local deli.

$200 for 40 minutes? Well...good luck with that sweetheart. Bless your heart.
posted by dejah420 at 2:04 PM on January 14, 2010 [17 favorites]

this guy is INTENSE

My sphincter isn't for sale. But what is for sale is companionship—total appreciation for whoever walks through that door. I'm not saying I'm special. I'm not saying that I'm better than anyone, but I'm definitely unique. And I think it's a good thing.

[The gigolo] must have the heart of a saint, the mind of a philosopher, and the skills of the devil—that's the second qualification. The third one is I never refer to any woman as a bitch, ho, twat, cunt, or any of those terms. It offends me. Women don't pay for sex, they pay for experience. And luckily for me, I don't have that much experience with sex, but I have the mentality and the emotion and gumption to make them feel the way they want to feel.

I was reading a book—How To Make Love Like a Porn Star by Jenna Jameson. Yeah, I was reading that book and I thought, "Hey, I want to do that. I'm a talented that way. I can hack that." And here I am. It's funny how things work out.


i want him to have a blog so hard right now that my fucking tear ducts are shooting blood
posted by beefetish at 2:05 PM on January 14, 2010 [41 favorites]

If I hear "women are wired differently" in relation to anything other than reproduction one more time my boobs are going to explode.

Believe it or not, we do sometimes like a nasty fuck with a stranger just because it feels good.
posted by xenophile at 2:05 PM on January 14, 2010 [26 favorites]

Well, I know where I'm moving. Daddy needs a new car.
posted by elder18 at 2:05 PM on January 14, 2010 [2 favorites]

$200 for 40 minutes? Well...good luck with that sweetheart. Bless your heart.

With the house taking a huge cut! Win/Win!
posted by The Whelk at 2:06 PM on January 14, 2010

Somehow I don't think the well-oiled armies of Rentboy.com are quaking in their mesh binki bottoms just yet.
posted by The Whelk at 2:08 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

My sphincter isn't for sale.

So no pegging, I guess.
posted by albrecht at 2:09 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

And just like that, Las Vegas made the shortlist for the 2012 Republican Convention.
posted by contessa at 2:09 PM on January 14, 2010 [54 favorites]

Of course it's not for sale, it's for rent.
posted by The Whelk at 2:10 PM on January 14, 2010 [26 favorites]

My sphincter isn't for sale.

For rent, maybe, but not for sale....
posted by Floydd at 2:11 PM on January 14, 2010 [2 favorites]

Curse you, The Whelk. And your little dog, too.
posted by Floydd at 2:11 PM on January 14, 2010 [5 favorites]

Marcus himself says that he isn't very sexually experienced aside from a couple of porn scenes he did a month ago, and alludes to some strange condition where he wasn't touched enough as a child. If women want to have lousy sex with a man, they can stay home and do that with their husbands—for free.

posted by Joe Beese at 2:13 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

gimmie those shoes....
posted by The Whelk at 2:13 PM on January 14, 2010

Believe it or not, we do sometimes like a nasty fuck with a stranger just because it feels good.

So ... umm ... hi ... (cough) ... what's your sign?
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 2:14 PM on January 14, 2010 [10 favorites]

Life doesn't imitate art. Life imitates Rob Schneider films.
posted by dr_dank at 2:15 PM on January 14, 2010 [4 favorites]

So it's timed? Dude better be playing "Business Time" while rendering services.

You can raise armies of those with nothing more than a smile and a charge account at a local deli.

Right, who is this person's market, exactly? I like how he throws the "ugly woman" comment in there to try and show that he has what it takes to get in touch with any woman and, un, unleash... something.

I wonder if he's even spoken with an actual prostitute about this job yet. Rather than, oh I don't know, watched Pretty Woman one too many times.

My sphincter isn't for sale.

I guess he's never heard of pegging.
posted by Talanvor at 2:17 PM on January 14, 2010

Male prostitution has been legal in the US from the outset, but they've been referred to by their traditional names, 'Politicians.'
posted by mullingitover at 2:17 PM on January 14, 2010 [9 favorites]

From hell's heart I stab at thee albrecht!
posted by Talanvor at 2:17 PM on January 14, 2010

I'd probably do him.

:(
posted by Avenger at 2:18 PM on January 14, 2010 [2 favorites]

Believe it or not, we do sometimes like a nasty fuck with a stranger just because it feels good.
posted by xenophile at 2:05 PM on January 14

yeah but not with a dude who got a brain like a peanut and teeth like an alien gladiator
posted by Optimus Chyme at 2:18 PM on January 14, 2010 [19 favorites]

Believe it or not, we do sometimes like a nasty fuck with a stranger just because it feels good.

Yes. However, a fuck with a nasty stranger for which I would pay $200 does not appeal.

But let a hundred flowers bloom! If someone would enjoy having sex with this guy enough to fork over the Benjamins, I say more power to her.
posted by Sidhedevil at 2:18 PM on January 14, 2010

Listen, you've got it all wrong. I've heard from my sex workers friends that thanks to online dating and hookup sites, the only dudes really making it are specialists catering to fetishes. This guy is simply servicing a niche: Women who get off on paying money to a crazy-toothed, average-lookin guy who hug them a little too tightly for a half hour while Enya and whalesong plays.
posted by The Whelk at 2:18 PM on January 14, 2010 [25 favorites]

Floydd, you'll be happy to know the Whelk-bot Mark 1 is currently seeking investors. The little dog will probably be an aftermarket add-on, if you are into that kind of thing.
posted by sebastienbailard at 2:19 PM on January 14, 2010

See also: The Great Happiness Space, a documentary about Japanese Host Clubs, where women (often prostitutes) pay to drink and socialize with men. Last I checked, this is available streamed from Netflix, but it is a big downer.

Previously on MeFi [1, 2]
posted by GameDesignerBen at 2:19 PM on January 14, 2010 [7 favorites]

The naivete might be charming to some folks, but I mostly think dude's a big ignoramus.
posted by box at 2:19 PM on January 14, 2010

If I hear "women are wired differently" in relation to anything other than reproduction one more time my boobs are going to explode.

Look, you can't tell us not to talk about how women aren't wired differently than men and then immediately talk about how your chest is wired to explode based on audio triggers. Because I've been trying to get that setup for YEARS, and no dice on this end.
posted by FatherDagon at 2:20 PM on January 14, 2010 [18 favorites]

I'd probably do him.

But would you pay? And could you stand the 10-minute lecture on sexual healing engery beforehand without actually killing him with your thoughts?
posted by The Whelk at 2:20 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

xenophile: "Believe it or not, we do sometimes like a nasty fuck with a stranger just because it feels good."

I thought "nasty" in this context meant the animalistic vigor of the thrusting - not the sexual partner's orthodonture.
posted by Joe Beese at 2:21 PM on January 14, 2010 [3 favorites]

Man, that is one angry beaver.
posted by The Whelk at 2:22 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

CARTOON/TOOTH JOKE HAMBURGERHAMBRGER
posted by The Whelk at 2:23 PM on January 14, 2010 [4 favorites]

Man, that is one angry beaver.

That's a dude.
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:26 PM on January 14, 2010

Aside from the prostitution angle, this guy's extensive justification for his current life track read not too differently from many people his age who have painted themselves in a corner and then try to convince the world that there is great meaning in their circumstances.
posted by Burhanistan at 2:27 PM on January 14, 2010 [4 favorites]

Check for ingenuous wooden dams.
posted by The Whelk at 2:27 PM on January 14, 2010 [5 favorites]

the only dudes really making it are specialists catering to fetishes.

Is gay sex considered a "fetish"? Because 99.9% of the "dudes" "making it" are having sex with other men.

The "my sphincter isn't for sale" is an ignorant comment. The chicken hawks who will pay you for sex want YOU to fuck THEM. You put your dick in them- just as you intend to with women, many of whom will be well outside your standards for attractiveness. Old pussy or old asshole, you're not going to fucking pornstars.
posted by ethnomethodologist at 2:28 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

I thought he'd look more like this.
posted by Saxon Kane at 2:29 PM on January 14, 2010

It's a tough business model charging to perform a service for which most of your potential clients could turn up an army of volunteers with the drop of a kerchief.
posted by Babblesort at 2:31 PM on January 14, 2010 [4 favorites]

ethnomethodologist, I was talkin to my friend "Otto" who used to work on 42nd st in the early 80s. The amount of casual prostitution (aka "trade") has gone way way way down in NYC. You can't even find sex workers in bars anymore. There is more money in straight up porn (with escort work on the side) or catering to really exact fetishes - when you log on and find someone into light bondage for free, you don't have to pay someone - and the internet has made closetcases/dl/cheating much easier, so most guys willing to pay now are looking for *something* really specific, as opposed to just picking up the teenager doing pushups on the fire hydrant. It's still there, of course, it's just way way way way smaller and the work as a whole has become more professional and business-oriented.
posted by The Whelk at 2:35 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

If I hear "women are wired differently" in relation to anything other than reproduction one more time my boobs are going to explode.

Your boobs exploding wouldn't really support the idea that you aren't wired differently.
posted by anazgnos at 2:35 PM on January 14, 2010 [9 favorites]

Babblesort: "It's a tough business model charging to perform a service for which most of your potential clients could turn up an army of volunteers with the drop of a kerchief."

What is it the record companies are always whining? "You can't compete with free"?
posted by Joe Beese at 2:36 PM on January 14, 2010

I think this is a great idea. After all, it worked out so well for Joe Buck.
posted by NoMich at 2:37 PM on January 14, 2010 [2 favorites]

"Wired Differently and their latest hit, Exploding Boobs!"
posted by The Whelk at 2:38 PM on January 14, 2010 [4 favorites]

I sense this promise coming to fruition soon... at a tidy profit, too!
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 2:40 PM on January 14, 2010

what on earth is wrong with that dude's teeth

I'm going to take a wild stab and say "meth."
posted by Mayor Curley at 2:45 PM on January 14, 2010 [3 favorites]

Unicorn On The Cob, we need to develop some kind of USB preferential first.
posted by The Whelk at 2:46 PM on January 14, 2010

you get laid for a price=your a whore. Ok. My interest is in how a male (or female) merchandise assistant (aka whore) pays taxes at both the state and federal level...
anyone know about this part of the biz?
posted by Postroad at 2:47 PM on January 14, 2010

"When I was 7, my father and mother applied for a divorce, and I was pretty much left sensory deprived for my whole adolescent and formative years."

Is it common in custody disputes to remand the child to a Skinner Box or something? I hope he was at least given occasional light so he could see the cloth mother.
posted by Mayor Curley at 2:49 PM on January 14, 2010 [39 favorites]

I'm going to take a wild stab and say "meth."

Eh, meth heads don't lift weights that much. I'm surprised that people are focusing on his teeth so much. But anyway, the interviewer really threw him softballs. He got kicked out of the military, failed out of school, and couldn't get any jobs so he ended up turning tricks and now he's somehow freakin' Rosa Parks?
posted by Burhanistan at 2:49 PM on January 14, 2010 [3 favorites]

I believe that illegal income is still taxable at both the state and federal level. So you call yourself self-employed and presumably file the same way any freelancer does.

In Nevada it is much simpler, as prostitution is legal in many cases. So presumably you'd get your W-2 just like an office jockey.
posted by muddgirl at 2:51 PM on January 14, 2010

I'm going to take a wild stab and say "meth."

dude, never take a wild stab while on meth.
posted by The Whelk at 2:51 PM on January 14, 2010 [6 favorites]

Now he's somehow freakin' Rosa Parks?

Only if she coughs up the $200.
posted by albrecht at 2:53 PM on January 14, 2010 [58 favorites]

Just the other night I was behind a bar with my dealer, stabbing wildly and saying meth.
posted by Astro Zombie at 2:59 PM on January 14, 2010

I tried applying for anything from waiter to car washer to any of these menial odd jobs

Organ grinder?
posted by benzenedream at 3:00 PM on January 14, 2010 [2 favorites]

what on earth is wrong with that dude's teeth

Meth is a hell of a drug?
posted by delmoi at 3:02 PM on January 14, 2010

Organ grinder?

No one's going to pay you for your hobbies.
posted by Talanvor at 3:08 PM on January 14, 2010

It's just the same as when Rosa Parks decided to sit at the front instead of the back.

Rosa figured that everybody else was doing it wrong.
posted by weapons-grade pandemonium at 3:13 PM on January 14, 2010

When I opened the page, the first thing I saw was a pop-up ad for Details with Adam Lambert on it and for a scary moment before I processed who he was & that it was an ad I thought HE was the male prostitute.
Then I saw Mr. Tooth and thought, "hunh. Maybe Lambert wouldn't be SO bad"
posted by pointystick at 3:13 PM on January 14, 2010

I note that MeFi has absolutely no problems with disparaging comments about a man's appearance. This place can be so two-faced.

OTOH, he is rather… well, him. I can't see that working out really well in this job.
posted by five fresh fish at 3:15 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

I think gay people are very put-together. I think they're very classy, very well-organized people.

Well! How else can you keep things straight?!
posted by litleozy at 3:16 PM on January 14, 2010

A male family member of mine was dubious about male prostitution in Vegas, saying "Well, I just don't see that there'll be any demand."

"Well, you're not paying them for the sex are you? You're paying them to go home afterwards" popped out of my mouth.

*crickets*

God I love going home for the holidays.
posted by romakimmy at 3:22 PM on January 14, 2010 [22 favorites]

I note that MeFi has absolutely no problems with disparaging comments about a man's appearance. This place can be so two-faced.

He's a prostitute. I imagine, although I might be wrong, that similar comments would be tolerated about a female prostitute.

We object, good sir, when similar comments are made about a woman who isn't selling a night of sex. You know, the other 99.999% of women regularly featured in the media.
posted by muddgirl at 3:23 PM on January 14, 2010 [6 favorites]

yeah but not with a dude who got a brain like a peanut and teeth like an alien gladiator

Whatever, the guy is ripped and the teeth add character. From a purely physical perspective he's better gigolo material than any male I've ever seen at a MetaFilter meetup, ever.
posted by hermitosis at 3:23 PM on January 14, 2010 [3 favorites]

I think the number of customers he'll have is, ohh, zero.

He'll get plenty in the beginning - it's something new, and I've already had a few women I know express interest in the supporting the concept (although they hadn't seen any pics yet at that point).

I imagine that business will quickly taper off to near-zero after that.

Personally, although I've never visited any of the ranches, the only thing that makes it appealing is that there's plenty of choice; chances are, one out of the 12 or so girls they have will strike my fancy. Having a choice of 1 or 2 just isn't enough to make it worth my drive (but then, maybe women are wired a little differently).
posted by coolguymichael at 3:23 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

I imagine that there already is a business for male prostitutes in Las Vegas, but since all prostitution in Vegas is illegal it's just not talked about.

I honestly can't imagine driving all the way out to a ranch somewhere only to find out that there's only one guy there, and today is his off day.
posted by muddgirl at 3:25 PM on January 14, 2010

From a purely physical perspective he's better gigolo material than any male I've ever seen at a MetaFilter meetup, ever.

....

I'm gonna go climb into my sock drawer and cry for days.
posted by The Whelk at 3:27 PM on January 14, 2010 [4 favorites]

Sorry Whelk -- I meant out of the people who aren't already whores.
posted by hermitosis at 3:31 PM on January 14, 2010 [13 favorites]

Apparently, Fred Garvin has hung up in his truss.
posted by mosk at 3:32 PM on January 14, 2010 [4 favorites]

I imagine that there already is a business for male prostitutes in Las Vegas

There are a lot of male sex workers in Las Vegas, though as you point out sex work is illegal in Clark County.

Male sex workers with a male clientele, that is. I have not heard tell of any male sex workers with a female clientele in Las Vegas, but it's been a few years since I interviewed sex workers.
posted by Sidhedevil at 3:39 PM on January 14, 2010

Also, my objections to him are not based on what he looks like--he's got kind of a young-Jon-Favreau thing going, which some women really dig--but on the personality that comes through in the interview. He sounds like a narcissistic douchenugget.

And you can buy a really, really good vibrator for $200 and it won't yammer on at you about how it knows all about pleasing the laydeez.
posted by Sidhedevil at 3:42 PM on January 14, 2010 [8 favorites]

Male sex workers with a male clientele, that is.

I don't really see what the clientele has to do with it, unless this dude wants to claim is the first exclusively-female-clientele sex worker.

Oh wait, I suppose "gigolo" means just that. Sigh.
posted by muddgirl at 3:43 PM on January 14, 2010

He's a prostitute. I imagine, although I might be wrong, that similar comments would be tolerated about a female prostitute.

I really don't think they would be, which is fine with me.
posted by Bookhouse at 3:45 PM on January 14, 2010

I would highly suggest that women go out to a sex toy store and buy a really nice vibrator with the money instead of paying this dildo $200 for 40 minutes. There are male sex workers out there with far better looks, more brains, and less racism (that Rosa Parks analogy was truly a ponderous WTF?!?! moment...). I hope these guys will get a break after they fire this creep's ass.

I'm highly supportive of those who make there profession sex work, but I can't find one nice thing to say about this backwater hick. It's too bad he's getting the glory (as it were...) instead of a guy who would be much more representative of cool and enlightened male sex workers.

Ugh. Just ugh.
posted by kuppajava at 3:47 PM on January 14, 2010

I think gay people are very put-together. I think they're very classy, very well-organized people.

Yeah, when I came out to my parents, they said, "We knew from a young age, dear. You always sorted your M&Ms by color."
posted by xingcat at 3:47 PM on January 14, 2010 [9 favorites]

Aren't all the people who are slamming this guy's looks so far other guys?

I don't think most of the women on MeFi would be insulting the looks of a female sex worker.
posted by Sidhedevil at 3:53 PM on January 14, 2010

I don't think most of the women on MeFi would be insulting the looks of a female sex worker.

Well, women are wired differently...
posted by hermitosis at 4:00 PM on January 14, 2010 [2 favorites]

Far it be from me to defend Douche Bigelow, but I can't imagine that a thread about a female prostitute with a hundred comments that were all pretty much "Damn, bitch, you ain't shit" would still be up here, no.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 4:01 PM on January 14, 2010 [13 favorites]

I think gay people are very put-together. I think they're very classy, very well-organized people.

I think someone needs to meet more gay people.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 4:01 PM on January 14, 2010 [6 favorites]

I don't think most of the women on MeFi would be insulting the looks of a female sex worker.

They would if her grin looked like she was Venom as drawn by Todd McFarlane.
posted by Mayor Curley at 4:04 PM on January 14, 2010 [5 favorites]

Hmm, I wonder if this is what Ruben Bolling was alluding to last week in his comic!
posted by Calzephyr at 4:07 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

I can't imagine that a thread about a female prostitute with a hundred comments that were all pretty much "Damn, bitch, you ain't shit" would still be up here, no.

Yes. Besides, if a magazine stages "in-depth", nutritionally void interview with a rube, and we find the subject matter lacking, why is the rube the one we decide to pick to shreds? He's the least responsible for any of this.
posted by hermitosis at 4:07 PM on January 14, 2010

"Believe it or not, we do sometimes like a nasty fuck with a stranger just because it feels good."

The difference lies between "sometimes" and damn near always.
posted by Manjusri at 4:09 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

I don't really see what the clientele has to do with it, unless this dude wants to claim is the first exclusively-female-clientele sex worker.

Oh wait, I suppose "gigolo" means just that. Sigh.

Not to mention the "My sphincter is not for sale" comment.
posted by ymgve at 4:14 PM on January 14, 2010

Believe it or not, we do sometimes like a nasty fuck with a stranger just because it feels good.

Hear, hear, and the "feels good" part is the point here. Nasty, transgressive, anonymous -- you can get that lots of places for free, but if I were to fork over cash money for sex, then I'd want one thing: superlative technical proficiency.
posted by FelliniBlank at 4:19 PM on January 14, 2010 [6 favorites]

When I think male prostitite, Richard Gere in 1980 is what I think. Not this guy. For the 1980 Richard Gere, I would pay $200. But, not this guy. And another thing, don't people go to bars anymore and have one night stands, for free?
posted by wv kay in ga at 4:28 PM on January 14, 2010

Two thoughts:
1. This guy is astoundingly articulate (suspiciously so, perhaps).
2. My sphincter is not for sale" would be an awesome bumper sticker.
posted by squalor at 4:29 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

Sorry, spelling error. I do know how to spell prostitute. Don't alert the spelling police.
posted by wv kay in ga at 4:31 PM on January 14, 2010

It's just the same as when Rosa Parks decided to sit at the front instead of the back.

If Rosa Parks was a meth-addled psycho from Las Vegas with fucked up teeth and delusions of grandeur, she could've had any seat she wanted on that goddam bus, because, fuck tardiness, I'm catching the next one.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 4:35 PM on January 14, 2010 [6 favorites]

I could favorite all of these comments. I could try to find that old Bowie movie, Just A Gigolo.
posted by ovvl at 4:41 PM on January 14, 2010

why is the rube the one we decide to pick to shreds? He's the least responsible for any of this.

Do you even go here?

The subjects of interviews are generally the focus of comments, because the interviews are about their subjects. This is a Q&A interview, so unless you're suggesting that they're just lying about what the guy said, I think that his doucheosity is well-established by his own words.
posted by Sidhedevil at 4:41 PM on January 14, 2010

If Rosa Parks was a meth-addled psycho from Las Vegas with fucked up teeth and delusions of grandeur, she could've had any seat she wanted on that goddam bus, because, fuck tardiness, I'm catching the next one.

Glad to hear my strategy to get to work faster on public transportation is working!
posted by deacon_blues at 4:45 PM on January 14, 2010

To tell you the truth, I'm kind of amazed that Nevada hasn't legalized marijuana, for the added buffet income if nothing else, and gay marraige, for the added wedding chapel business. Boy ho's are small potatoes.
posted by jonmc at 4:46 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

I get the feeling his recent stay in a Santa Monica homeless shelter won't be his last.
posted by M.C. Lo-Carb! at 4:49 PM on January 14, 2010

The whole of England is grinning at this guy.
posted by i_cola at 4:51 PM on January 14, 2010 [4 favorites]

The subjects of interviews are generally the focus of comments, because the interviews are about their subjects.

Right, but if it turns out he's worthy of neither interview nor comment, then that's an editorial problem, either at Details or here. Or we could all sit around and make mean bad-toof jokes, I suppose, because apparently the low standards for commenting works both ways in this case.
posted by hermitosis at 5:07 PM on January 14, 2010

It's a tough business model charging to perform a service for which most of your potential clients could turn up an army of volunteers with the drop of a kerchief.

I actually believe there's a large, invisible market of women who would like to be a "regular client" for a kind, nonjudgmental, attractive man who would only charge you exactly what he said, who wouldn't suddenly need $50 for gas all the time, and wouldn't mock your body behind your back. There is a silent world of Eleanor Rigbys who have failed, or believe themselves to have failed, at being what our culture recognizes as Real Women. A Jean Teasdale, for example, would consider $200 well spent for forty minutes with a man who treats her like a whole person.

Not that it's going to be this snowflake, though. The best I can say about him is that he is indeed one of the traditional gigolos -- a money-pit, smooth-chested, dreamy-eyed "artist" of a future ex-boyfriend.
posted by Countess Elena at 5:12 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

a money-pit, smooth-chested, dreamy-eyed "artist" of a future ex-boyfriend.

He's Southern, too -- he's like a human time-capsule left behind by Tennessee Williams.
posted by hermitosis at 5:20 PM on January 14, 2010 [5 favorites]

Man, that is one angry beaver.

There's a dental dam joke in here somewhere.
posted by applemeat at 5:21 PM on January 14, 2010 [3 favorites]

MetaFilter: Damn, bitch, you ain't shit
posted by davejay at 5:50 PM on January 14, 2010

I think the dude is cute. I don't like the gay clone look and like a bit of imperfection; plus he's got those thick hairy calves!

It's kinda my goal to get through life without paying anyone for sex, so I wouldn't go that far. But I imagine he, Levi Johnston, Paul Krugman, and I could share a fun weekend together.
posted by troybob at 6:05 PM on January 14, 2010 [2 favorites]

I'm a flower that blooms in the winter,
Sinking deeper and deeper in snow.
I'm a baby who has
No mother but jazz,
I'm a gigolo.
posted by winna at 6:07 PM on January 14, 2010

I kind of wonder how "recent" his stay in that Santa Monica homeless shelter was, and if he's ever hung out in front of the Vons down the block from my place. That's going to obscurely bother me for days, now-- "did I see that dude? did I move away from that dude because he smelled? did he camp in my alley OH GOD OH GOD"
posted by fairytale of los angeles at 7:12 PM on January 14, 2010

I actually believe there's a large, invisible market of women who would like to be a "regular client" for a kind, nonjudgmental, attractive man

There's an interesting novel about this by Jill Nelson. It's called Sexual Healing and it's about a combination brothel/spa for women.
posted by Sidhedevil at 7:22 PM on January 14, 2010

"I call this one 'The Snake'"
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:39 PM on January 14, 2010

Nevada = Gomorrah

Not Sodom, of course, Why, that would be taking things way too far.
posted by bwg at 7:42 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

MetaFilter: Damn, bitch, you ain't shit

Metafilter: like a nasty fuck with a stranger.
posted by eatyourcellphone at 7:46 PM on January 14, 2010

For some reason, the whole "click here for more photos of America's! First! Male! Prostitute!" creeped me out -- it just had this weird, P.T.-Barnum "Step right inside the tent to see Jim-Jim the Dog-Faced Boy" feel to it.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:02 PM on January 14, 2010 [3 favorites]

[more inside]
posted by cjorgensen at 8:11 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

Man this is a lot of judgement for the guy. Do articles about female sex workers get this much crap about their appearance an attitude? I mean, knocking on his teeth? Have you seen pictures of many sex workers? They're attractive but not marketing Perfect Tens. They are marketing an experience.

Dude seems like any other sex worker to me. Attractive but not stunning, looking to provide a service, may be the "Sex is an empowering activity that I want to share with the world" type or the "I have some issues in my life I still need to deal with" type or a little bit of both. Not every sex worker is a Mistress Matisse or an abused victim, so this one would probably be par for the course as being a mixed-up batch of reasons and life experiences behind this choice. Dunno why we would judge him for it.

His description of what women a looking for does not seem that far off from what I've read other male prostitutes write about their female clients--or honestly, what I read female prostitutes write about their male clients. Often people who visit sex workers are not so much looking for a hole (or a meat dildo, in his case) but a chance at some emotional as well as physical intimacy with another person. Sex is an activity that makes most of the population feel pretty vulnerable. You want to interact with someone who can appreciate that vulnerability. Think of the rise of guys who are looking for the "Girlfriend Experience" from the ladies they hire. They want affection as well as sex. This guy does not sound he's going to be putting out any high-brow, sophisticated analyses of human sexuality and intimacy any time soon, but he does sound like he appreciates his clients may not just want a dick in them and he's trying to convey that.
posted by schroedinger at 8:24 PM on January 14, 2010 [10 favorites]

I am also really fucking surprised to find out prostitution laws excluded men, and that there are people who support female prostitution but resist the male form. That's all kinds of fucked up.
posted by schroedinger at 8:25 PM on January 14, 2010

He kinda sounds manic to me, actually. The grandiosity. Anyway, I hope he gets lots of nice clients.
posted by kathrineg at 8:35 PM on January 14, 2010

Nevada = Gomorrah

Not Sodom, of course, Why, that would be taking things way too far.

dude let's not get gross here
posted by graventy at 8:36 PM on January 14, 2010

Yeah, I can't think of anything hotter than a guy I PAY to be with me who didn't get enough cuddling and mom time as a child.

Usually, those guys have to buy ME dinner first before I fall for that.

And also:

Q: How'd you get out of [deploying with the Marines]?

A: I just didn't want to go. I told my commanding officer I didn't want to be a Marine anymore and he was like, 'Okay, we'll file your paperwork." I didn't get benefits or anything, but I got out.


Man, if he could sell the secret of how he managed that, he wouldn't have to turn tricks.
posted by availablelight at 8:39 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

Man, if he could sell the secret of how he managed that, he wouldn't have to turn tricks.

Well, in all fairness, the Marines did get a good look at his teeth...

Seriously, the Marines don't usually have a big problem filling their recruiting quotas. If you don't want to be a Marine, they don't want you, either.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 9:02 PM on January 14, 2010

No fucking way.
posted by telstar at 9:15 PM on January 14, 2010

Does Gigolo Joe (in A.I.) ejaculate?
posted by neuron at 9:40 PM on January 14, 2010

Sphincter for sale or rent!
Spooge to let, 20000 cents.
posted by Pallas Athena at 11:08 PM on January 14, 2010 [4 favorites]

Boy ho's are small potatoes

Hard or soft core?
posted by flabdablet at 11:41 PM on January 14, 2010 [1 favorite]

The attention from the media has evidently gone to his head and when it dries up he'll still be clueless. But this thread is cruel, like when celebrities have drug problems and all the late night shows make jokes.
posted by anonymuk at 12:45 AM on January 15, 2010

I favorited kittens for breakfast's comment just because of "Douche Bigelow." Come on, that's funny right there.
posted by Faint of Butt at 3:46 AM on January 15, 2010 [2 favorites]

what on earth is wrong with that dude's teeth

seriously his teeth look like they were designed to filter krill what the fuck

etc etc etc

So, we're mocking a guy's teeth now? Has someone kidnapped my normal, mostly likable Metafilter people and replaced them with really mean adolescents?

There may be plenty of reasons not to like the dude, but his teeth aren't one of them. It isn't funny; it's small-minded and offensive. That is all.
posted by belvidere at 4:39 AM on January 15, 2010 [2 favorites]

from the LA Times story:

"You guys can't scare me," said Commissioner Lorinda Wichman before voting in Davis' favor. "I'm going to try this."

Could she be Markus' first customer?
posted by orme at 5:07 AM on January 15, 2010

So, we're mocking a guy's teeth now? Has someone kidnapped my normal, mostly likable Metafilter people and replaced them with really mean adolescents?

We're here at MetaFilter, where we've secretly replaced the fine compliments they usually serve with Folgers Snark. Let's see if anyone can tell the difference.
posted by kirkaracha at 6:34 AM on January 15, 2010 [6 favorites]

Welcome to krillfilter, where a gigolo's teeth can filter meta.
posted by e.e. coli at 6:39 AM on January 15, 2010

What is this, MetaFark?
posted by electroboy at 6:52 AM on January 15, 2010

Agreed, Faint of Butt -- "Douche Bigelow" pretty much did it for me humor-wise in this thread.
posted by bitter-girl.com at 6:52 AM on January 15, 2010

He a'int no David Lee Roth!
posted by ericb at 7:40 AM on January 15, 2010

I don't think this guy is especially hot, but it seems like a smart set-up for the Shady Lady. This way, couples can now come to the ranch together and each purchase time with new partners. That he's not especially threatening in, like, any way, might be a feature, not a bug.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 8:17 AM on January 15, 2010 [3 favorites]

Why am I stuck with the image of Zap Braniggan shouting "EROTIC! EROTIC! EROTIC!"?
posted by The Whelk at 8:21 AM on January 15, 2010 [3 favorites]

This thread is certainly a nadir for this website.
posted by Burhanistan at 8:42 AM on January 15, 2010

This thread is certainly a nadir for this website.


You're new here, aren't you?
posted by faceonmars at 9:20 AM on January 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

schroedinger, i promise you that if a female prostitute managed to combine casual homophobia, a severe lack of perspective, and as many golden quotes as this guy has busted out in the space of one article, i would also want her to have a blog so hard that my tear ducts would shoot blood. basically what i am saying here is that i am like a hornytoad except the stimulus is wanting to hear people spout nonsense on the internet.
posted by beefetish at 9:25 AM on January 15, 2010 [4 favorites]

Henry Rollins - (most of his tattoos+brain) = Markus.
posted by Halloween Jack at 9:38 AM on January 15, 2010

Man this is a lot of judgement for the guy. Do articles about female sex workers get this much crap about their appearance an attitude?

I would hope that a female sex worker who compared herself to ROSA PARKS in an interview would get crap for her ridiculous self-aggrandizement.

Yeah, I don't know why all the "he has weird teeth" nonsense (from guys--dudes, it's not for you), but I also don't know why all the hugbox for this guy.

I wouldn't fuck him with someone else's pussy or someone else's $200, but that's because maudlin narcissism from a real-life Stuart Smalley doesn't turn my crank. Note that all of the laydeez posting in the thread were turned off by his smarmy personality, which doesn't augur well for his career.
posted by Sidhedevil at 9:46 AM on January 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

Actually, "Augur" would be a terrific name for a gigolo. "Augur Wells".
posted by e.e. coli at 10:05 AM on January 15, 2010 [5 favorites]

I sincerely believe that the people who are making fun of his teeth didn't read the interview.

I mean, come on--Rosa Parks? "A gigolo is looking for a surrogate mother"? Sphincter? This kid's a goldmine.
posted by box at 10:16 AM on January 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

This guy has quit everything he's ever tried - I don't see him lasting long in this job.
posted by The Light Fantastic at 10:38 AM on January 15, 2010

I am also really fucking surprised to find out prostitution laws excluded men, and that there are people who support female prostitution but resist the male form.

I heard a radio interview with the (male) spokesman for the traditional female prostitution industry in Nevada. He was against it, sort of but not explictly, and couldn't even explain why. Vague blather about "don't want to risk everything we've worked so hard to build."

Reading between the lines it sounded like he was saying "I think it's all gay, no matter what they say, and the Nevada legislature will kill the whole industry if we allow gay prostitution." I can't imagine any court, even our current Supreme Court, would allow a law that openly discriminated against gays in prositution, not after Bowers.
posted by msalt at 11:20 AM on January 15, 2010

So if they're required to allow gay prostitution that might give the conservatives enough to start pushing to outlaw prostitution.

The fact that prostitution is even legal in certain places seems mostly, to me, as if it's only still that way because no one's really paying them any attention. I imagine some of the feeling around the industry is "Don't rock the boat."
posted by ODiV at 11:29 AM on January 15, 2010

... if a female prostitute managed to combine casual homophobia ...

When did not wanting to have gay sex become homophobia? "My sphincter is not for sale" may be a crude phrasing, but if you want to define homophobia so broadly as to encompass any statement expressing a disinterest in having gay sex, it becomes a useless distinction.

And, for what it's worth, my sphincter is not for sale either, and I'm pretty damn gay. I do suck cock for free, though.
posted by me & my monkey at 11:39 AM on January 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

When did not wanting to have gay sex become homophobia?

I think it was more this bit--"I think gay people are very put-together. I think they're very classy, very well-organized people. They have great personalities"--that smacked of, if not homophobia, a weird lack of understanding that gay people are other humans. It's right up there with "I love the black people, they have a natural sense of rhythm" in my book.

Again, not a turn-on for me.
posted by Sidhedevil at 11:56 AM on January 15, 2010

Maybe this will lead to the discovery of the female version of the "Rub and a tug".
posted by pianomover at 12:07 PM on January 15, 2010

This thread is certainly a nadir for this website.

Does it make you ralph?
posted by Faint of Butt at 12:24 PM on January 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

A homophobic, greenhorn softy who can't stand up to a woman. Man, my knickers are already wet.
posted by Malice at 12:42 PM on January 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

me and my monkey - what sidhedevil said.
posted by beefetish at 12:49 PM on January 15, 2010

If not wanting to rent your sphincter or let old guys drool on your junk makes you homophobic, then I suspect even most guys here aren't nearly as open-minded as they assumed they were either.
posted by hermitosis at 1:04 PM on January 15, 2010

there's plenty of female prostitutes and ranches in nevada that won't do females or couples. i think that his client base will be severely limited by excluding guys, but that's his paycheck, so his business. i think he lacks an understanding of what a prostitute is - it's not about what gets you off/turns you on, it's about selling a fantasy to your client, but he'll learn that soon enough or he'll be out of a job.

there could be a pretty good market for a straight male prostitute if he entertained cuckold or pegging fetishes. the other selling point is the same as legal female prostitutes, you're more likely to get someone that is disease free in a brothel than in a bar.

the idea that all or most women could get sex for free any time they want is funny as part of a joke, but isn't really true. there are plenty of women who have trouble finding a willing partner that is satisfactory - the appeal of just being able to pay for what you're looking for is pretty powerful.

by all available evidence, this dude seems like a total tool, but i hope the male prostitute business grows (haha). and i hope the weird "no gay allowed!" thing starts to fade...
posted by nadawi at 1:31 PM on January 15, 2010

Does it make you ralph?

I no longer spouse for free. Y'all gots to pay.
posted by The Whelk at 1:59 PM on January 15, 2010

I think it was more this bit--"I think gay people are very put-together. I think they're very classy, very well-organized people. They have great personalities"--that smacked of, if not homophobia, a weird lack of understanding that gay people are other humans.

You mean the lack of understanding that one might get by not being exposed to gay people other than through watching Will and Grace and Queer Eye? Again, as homophobia goes, this is really weak sauce.
posted by me & my monkey at 2:35 PM on January 15, 2010

Ladies, no one cares whether you'd hit that.
posted by electroboy at 3:02 PM on January 15, 2010

but that's kind of the thrust of the topic.
posted by The Whelk at 3:06 PM on January 15, 2010

okay monkey i shouldve said that he sounds like a slack-jawed doofus who was raised in a fucking skinner box and he has dumb ideas about ladies and homosexuals and it's grosssssssssssssssssssss okay is that better
posted by beefetish at 3:07 PM on January 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

I guess I just find it hard to believe that a guy who has been homeless in Santa Monica and worked in the porn industry would draw most of his assumptions about gay dudes from freakin' Will and Grace.

Disingenuous at best. Clueless at worst.
posted by muddgirl at 3:12 PM on January 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

Far it be from me to defend Douche Bigelow, but I can't imagine that a thread about a female prostitute with a hundred comments that were all pretty much "Damn, bitch, you ain't shit" would still be up here, no.

This thread is not exactly an overwhelming fountain of positivity.
posted by Artw at 3:16 PM on January 15, 2010

(not as fun as this one though)
posted by Artw at 3:19 PM on January 15, 2010

You mean the lack of understanding that one might get by not being exposed to gay people other than through watching Will and Grace and Queer Eye?

That would be pretty much the antithesis of sexy to me, a middle-aged ladyperson who might well be assumed to be his target clientele.
posted by Sidhedevil at 3:47 PM on January 15, 2010

is that better

Well, yeah, because calling his response "homophobic" is just as ill-thought-out and inaccurate as his original one-liner tossed-off comment about gay people being classy and together. And as an out gay man, living with my partner nearly as long as you've been alive, I have a strong interest in the word "homophobic" actually having some meaning. There are people who'd like me to be a second-class citizen because of who I am. There are people who'd like me to be dead because of who I am. It doesn't do the cause of my equality any good to conflate them with him.

Disingenuous at best. Clueless at worst.

He doesn't strike me as being especially thoughtful. But dumb is not a crime.
posted by me & my monkey at 3:49 PM on January 15, 2010

That would be pretty much the antithesis of sexy to me, a middle-aged ladyperson who might well be assumed to be his target clientele.

I don't recall stating that he'd make a fine male prostitute. But "antithesis of sexy" != "homophobe".
posted by me & my monkey at 4:06 PM on January 15, 2010

The dude went out of his way to say something nice about gay people, whatever it was based on. He didn't have to; he could have left it at saying that he doesn't go for guys. An asshole wouldn't have made the effort. I thought it was pretty sweet.
posted by troybob at 4:15 PM on January 15, 2010

I'm just sitting here trying to decide: would I rather pick it up in a bar for free or pay for it? Thanks. MetaFilter! I really, really needed to know the answer to that particular question. Now I can sleep easier.

(Middle age person with lady parts.)
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:24 PM on January 15, 2010 [1 favorite]

But "antithesis of sexy" != "homophobe".

I wasn't the person who described his lack of clue as "homophobia"; I was pointing out to you what I guessed the person who did (beefetish) was basing that assessment on. I have no idea what beefetish's gender or sexual orientation might be, or if beefetish actually has a bee fetish (or perhaps worse, a "beef fetish").
posted by Sidhedevil at 5:02 PM on January 15, 2010

I call dibs on using this name for the manufactured novelty band I'm creating from a D&D group with Aspergers (who naturally specialize in electronica).

Obviously, they'll write that hit after they've had too much Mountain Dew and wonder why the group only has one girl.

I'll be rich, I tells ya!
posted by mccarty.tim at 5:05 PM on January 15, 2010

Look, this guy is selling his body, not (much of) his mind. We've only taken a few cheap shots at him physically (bad teeth). Making fun of his beliefs and intellect is fair game, as that's not what he's priding himself in. He's an adult getting interviewed for a magazine, so I presume he can take it.

Besides, if I hear one more beanplating about whether or not we're being offensive, my balls are going to explode.
posted by mccarty.tim at 5:10 PM on January 15, 2010

I wasn't the person who described his lack of clue as "homophobia"; I was pointing out to you what I guessed the person who did (beefetish) was basing that assessment on.

Ok, but that certainly wasn't the implication of the statement you wrote to which I responded:

... that smacked of, if not homophobia, a weird lack of understanding that gay people are other humans ...

and whether it's your opinion or beefetish's is irrelevant in any case, since I was simply pointing out that this isn't homophobia by any useful definition of the word. If you're going to state someone else's opinion, you shouldn't be surprised to get a response from someone who disagrees with that opinion, should you?
posted by me & my monkey at 5:27 PM on January 15, 2010

mccarty.tim - I beleive that if you consult the relevant bingo card you'll find that exploding balls are in fact quite offensive.
posted by Artw at 5:29 PM on January 15, 2010

Way more guys want to be pegged than there are women who want to peg them, so that's really not gonna be his market.
posted by kathrineg at 9:01 PM on January 15, 2010

Of course people are taking shots at his bad teeth. He's a gigolo, and as such, he's selling his body, no? It's part of his job to be attractive, and his teeth definitely detract from his attractiveness.
posted by coppermoss at 10:18 PM on January 15, 2010

Christ, what a sphincter.
posted by clearlydemon at 11:48 PM on January 15, 2010

Way more guys want to be pegged than there are women who want to peg them, so that's really not gonna be his market.

That's interesting, and kind of surprising (though not as much when I stop to think about it). Say more...
posted by msalt at 10:43 AM on January 16, 2010

There are no reliable stats on pegging proclivities.
posted by Burhanistan at 10:45 AM on January 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

It's just not easy to pin down pegging.
posted by The Whelk at 10:47 AM on January 16, 2010

You might just need a fitted belt or something, The Whelk.
posted by Burhanistan at 10:59 AM on January 16, 2010

I just want to say that having beautiful teeth is not only a function of hygiene, but primarily one of genetics or orthodontics.

Christ you guys are assholes. Gapped teeth don't mean a person is a drug addict or dirty.
posted by polyhedron at 11:02 AM on January 16, 2010

That's interesting, and kind of surprising (though not as much when I stop to think about it). Say more...

Like many other submission-related activities, guys spend a lot of time begging/paying for it.
posted by kathrineg at 11:06 AM on January 16, 2010

Glad we've got that pegged. Who's up for some Pogo?
posted by The Whelk at 11:13 AM on January 16, 2010

Way more guys want to be pegged than there are women who want to peg them

Cite?
posted by electroboy at 4:48 PM on January 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

i think if women were given the chance to pay to peg more often, they'd do so. some women just don't like doing those sorts of activities with their partners (shame, repression, embarrassment). if it were the sort of thing that showed up on a menu, i think plenty of women would order it.
posted by nadawi at 5:06 PM on January 16, 2010 [1 favorite]

and, while we're on the topic, it's hard to find porn of pegging that isn't D/s related - which might also get more women interested. it doesn't have to be a submission thing, it's just usually presented that way.
posted by nadawi at 5:09 PM on January 16, 2010

I have no actual statistics about pegging, although it's an activity that men will pay women to preform. Of course, so is standard intercourse, so perhaps I shouldn't extrapolate too heavily from that.

Let's just say I'm hard-pressed to imagine that a significant number of women would be willing to fly to Nevada and pay $200 to peg anyone, when there are so many guys who would be perfectly happy to be pegged in a free, NSA sort of way.
posted by kathrineg at 8:23 AM on January 17, 2010

Says a lot about flying these days, imo...
posted by five fresh fish at 8:27 AM on January 17, 2010 [1 favorite]

i know from experience that if you find a guy who really wants to be pegged, usually the pegging becomes all about him and what he wants from it (often related to D/s). it becomes something you are doing to him instead of something you are experiencing for yourself.

there are plenty of reasons to pay for something you can get for free.
posted by nadawi at 9:25 AM on January 17, 2010

"Prostidude" goes to work.

Jim Davis told The Associated Press that after reading the article, he and his wife decided that Markus doing interviews was bad for business. Bobbi Davis declined an interview with the AP. The Davises declined to give Markus' real name, which is customary for sex workers in Nevada.

...

"It won't be successful," said Arie Mack Moore, owner of the Angel's Ladies Brothel, about two miles north of Beatty. "You can't have both (male and female prostitutes) in the same building or adjacent to each other, in my opinion."

Moore claims his business has picked up since Markus was hired, with customers saying they wanted to avoid the Shady Lady because of Markus.
posted by Comrade_robot at 6:58 AM on January 26, 2010

...with customers saying they wanted to avoid the Shady Lady because of Markus

Wait, what? Am I missing something, or are some guys so homophobic that they won't even go to a lady prostitute if a gentleman prostitute is in the same building?
posted by muddgirl at 7:06 AM on January 26, 2010

I'd expect a more politically correct attitude from dudes who pay for sex with women.
posted by Artw at 7:19 AM on January 26, 2010 [1 favorite]

It's not about political correctness, it's about common sense. Hiring an escort in LV and bringing her up to your hotel room means that *GASP* you are having sex when other men are having sex in the same building! I'm honestly curious as to what they think would happen. Or if I'm misinterpreting the statement above.
posted by muddgirl at 7:21 AM on January 26, 2010

People would tyhink they are having sex with the sex dude who has said he only sleeps with the laydees! Or laydees who want to have sex with the sex dude might see them there!
posted by Artw at 7:26 AM on January 26, 2010

People would tyhink they are having sex with the sex dude who has said he only sleeps with the laydees!

It's probably more a fear of running into non-hooker women at the ranch.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:29 AM on January 26, 2010

And, because of all the media coverage. It may be legal there but I don't think most johns want to be anywhere near a camera.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:37 AM on January 26, 2010

The sex dude might jump them in the corridors and sex them!

Creeps and lady creeps might turn out to be like matter and antimatter, and explode if they come into contact whilst conducting their "business".
posted by Artw at 7:40 AM on January 26, 2010

>I'd expect a more politically correct attitude from dudes who pay for sex with women.

It's not about political correctness, it's about common sense. [...] Or if I'm misinterpreting the statement above.

I think Artw was being sarcastic.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:55 AM on January 26, 2010

Yeah I know he was bein sarcastic. Seems like "dudes are really shameful about visiting prostitutes and don't want to run in to the media or non-prostitute women while there" is an OK answer to my question.
posted by muddgirl at 7:57 AM on January 26, 2010

I found this from the "Prostitude" article intriguing:

Male customers are thoroughly cleaned and inspected for signs of disease before sex at Nevada's brothels, and he doesn't believe the same "fanaticism" is possible when checking female customers.

WTF? It sounds like they have a detailer on staff to prepare the customers.
posted by msalt at 11:34 AM on January 26, 2010

It sounds like they have a detailer on staff to prepare the customers.

Never have and never will go to a brothel, but I suspect that work is done by the hooker with a wet wipe and a quick look at the nads just prior to intercourse rather than some kind of on-site detailer.
posted by Burhanistan at 11:44 AM on January 26, 2010

Hiring an escort in LV and bringing her up to your hotel room means that *GASP* you are having sex when other men are having sex in the same building!

I think prostitution is actually illegal in Las Vegas, and is relegated to somewhere in the hinterlands. Also, I imagine the difference is there's plausible deniability if you're seen in a hotel with a woman who might be a prostitute, versus being at a brothel.
posted by electroboy at 11:50 AM on January 26, 2010

Also, I imagine the difference is there's plausible deniability if you're seen in a hotel with a woman who might be a prostitute, versus being at a brothel.

But this doesn't change if the brothel hires a dude. Unless the patrons are concerned that they will be labeled "gay" if they patronize an establishment that hires men. Which gets back to my original question.
posted by muddgirl at 12:00 PM on January 26, 2010

I can't really speculate as to their motives, but if you were worried about someone finding out you go to brothels, I can imagine you might be *really* worried about someone finding out you go to gay brothels.
posted by electroboy at 12:12 PM on January 26, 2010 [1 favorite]

My Night with Prosti-Dude

“First thing we do is visual inspection,” explains the dorky college dropout who later confesses I am only his second client, he has been with a total of six women in his life, and, to be perfectly honest, he lost his virginity at 23.


It was like a bad second date. That cost $500.

“You have a beautiful body,” he tells me. He kisses my back. “You even taste good,” he says. Then he brings out his little “trick box,” as he calls it, but such is his luck today, he can’t find the lubricant he says is crackerjack for making women climax.

Not so fast, Markus.

“Why don’t you give me a massage?” I say.

He repeatedly asks to show me his abilities and flicks out his scarily Gene Simmons-esque tongue which totally turns me off. Who wants a man this eager?

posted by Comrade_robot at 2:36 PM on February 2, 2010

Wow, he really does look like Steve-O. I don't think many women fantasize about being with Steve-O.
posted by electroboy at 3:02 PM on February 2, 2010

From the link:

Markus starts to walk me to my car and an older man — Jim Davis, the madam’s husband — stops him. “You got your stuff to do,” he reminds him.

What "stuff" is that? Dishes? Cleaning the showers?
posted by Burhanistan at 3:07 PM on February 2, 2010

Post-coital paperwork?
posted by electroboy at 4:05 PM on February 2, 2010

That Post writer says he's 'very well-endowed.' Sounds good, but she also thinks he's 'covered in tattoos,' while it looks to me like he has three.
posted by box at 5:23 PM on February 2, 2010