January 30, 1933posted by shii at 9:07 AM on April 4, 2010 [5 favorites]
". . . Whereas, there has grown up in the Eastern States a financial oligarchy, with Wall Street as the center of the Union; and
"Whereas, Wall Street interests are now seeking to obtain absolute control of the balance of the Union; therefore
"Be it resolved, that the remaining 39 States secede from the Union, carrying with us the Star-Spangled Banner and leaving them the Stripes which they richly deserve."
North Dakota's 48 State Senators meeting in a Bismarck auditorium- rose and cheered deaf 83-year-old Senator William Martin last week when for the first time since the Civil War Secession was publicly proposed in a State Legislature.
The group is a pro-government group seeking to restore constitutional and lawful government in the United States of America. The group is pro-constitutional government.
It's going to require direct confrontation to get the extreme right to back down. Until that happens, things will continue to unravel. Each cycle has been a little different, but there's been a roughly ten-year cycle to this for about a hundred years. There were brief interruptions such as WWII and the post 9/11 wars, but the cycle seems to be pretty durable and coming from the same mythos.Please. It's a couple of nut-jobs on the Internet. Even if the Hutaree idiots had pulled off their plan, it wouldn't have seriously damaged the country. I think it makes political sense to highlight these idiots, so people understand how crazy they are, but there's no real risk at this point. As long as the FBI is able to keep tabs on any serious plots that they start to develop.
The Mormons did a pretty respectable job with Utah. I'm not at all equating them with these guys -- let me be clear about that! -- but the idea of a bunch of people saying, you know, we can make a society that works on different rules, lets go out west and *do* it -- that's been done, and with a genuine degree of success.They've repeatedly had to give up on their founding ideas, including white polygamy and white supremacy.
"All told, the charges that Utah was a theocracy were well founded. It was a theocracy, a merger of church and society under God. Two complaints about Utah were directed against Mormons in the 19th century. One was polygamy, of course, but the other was theocratic rule by Brigham Young, his successors and the presidency of the church.Now, who knows what might have happened in an alternate universe where Utah Territory was somehow left to survive as a quasi-theocratic entity inside the context of the United States. It's entirely possible that the homogenizing forces of transportation and media advances would have eventually brought it to the same place Utah is now, complete with a profusion of billboards advertising plastic surgery services. Or maybe the theocracy would have headed the way of the FLDS and brought about such social problems it wouldn't have been sustainable. It's not hard to think of ways it would have failed if left to its own devices. But it wasn't; it didn't somehow fail on its own. They were giving making their own society a serious shot and they were actually doing pretty well all things considered when they finally had to face the fact they didn't really settle in a place where they could dictate their own destiny. So effugas' comment seems apt to me.
"This was the radical Mormonism of the 19th century, descended from Joseph Smith and continued by Brigham Young. It included a far-reaching social critique. Young criticized capitalism as often as he did philandering. Mormons were sympathetic to European revolutionaries in 1848. They saw themselves as a society set against American society with all of its inequities and iniquities.
"It was a society that, as we know, was doomed to defeat. For 40 years, Mormons resisted attempts of the federal government to end polygamy and to destroy theocracy, but finally they gave in. The government began imprisoning Mormon men who had more than one wife and denying Mormons their civil rights. They couldn't serve on juries, polygamists could not vote in elections, the government began to escheat all Mormon property - including their precious temples - and the church was actually unincorporated. By the late 1880s, it looked like the church, as a church, would be obliterated.
"That intense pressure from the federal government was backed up by every branch of government, including the Supreme Court, which was, in Joseph Smith's spirit, the Mormons' last best hope. They believed to the end that the Constitution was on their side and that they were simply claiming religious freedom, but the Supreme Court knocked down their claims one after another. Eventually they saw it was hopeless. In 1890, the president of the church announced that they would no longer practice plural marriages.
"It wasn't just polygamy that Mormons gave up; they dismantled the whole theocratic structure. The People's Party was dissolved and Mormons were instructed to join one or another of the national political parties. They were sometimes assigned: "You become a Democrat; you become a Republican." There are Democrats in Utah to this day who are Democrats only because their great-grandfathers were told they should be.
"They also began to give up all of the church businesses. Not immediately, but steadily over the course of the 20th century, they were not only turned into capitalist enterprises, but the church divested itself of ownership. The church elementary school system was given up. The hospitals have now all been turned into private corporations. All told, the Mormon theocracy was leveled.
"Mormonism gave up on its radicalism because the United States government beat it out of them."
The Restore America Plan, as laid out online, basically involves dismantling most of the federal government. The "territorial jurisdiction United States Federal Corporation, posing as the de jure United States of America," for instance, would be "terminated." So would marriage licenses, which the group says give too much power to courts that aren't established properly under the Constitution, and birth certificates. (Don't worry, though; according to one like-minded Web site, "Social Security payments will not be interrupted.")Damn Federal Government! Get out of my business! But, uh, keep sending me my check!
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