Why, it was an inside job!
April 11, 2008 7:55 AM   Subscribe

You've probably seen Stuff White People Like before: it took off like wildfire internet-wide, and has been written about in The New Republic, Wired, the Boston Chronicle... there was even an NPR bit. (It was, unfortunately, too racy for Metafilter.*) It turns out that Random House will be publishing the book. By Christian Lander. 29, from Toronto, ... and white. Here's an interview.
SWPL: ok. I am white. here is another non surprise. there are pictures of me on the site. I'm the dude recycling. and the guy at dim sum. and the guy holding the iphone. and the bicycle picture is my bicycle.
Also, now that I gave away the punchline, here is another story on it, from the LA Times.

* - We tried once, twice, and then had an epic metatalk thread about it.
posted by blacklite (63 comments total)

This post was deleted for the following reason: removed at poster's request -- mathowie



 
Did someone assume that he wasn't white?
posted by empath at 8:02 AM on April 11, 2008 [1 favorite]


Online stupidity tracker Get Off The Internet just pointed out SWPL's use of "RIGHT-WING TALKING POINT HAT TRICKS" to try and discredit free healthcare. Very perceptive glimpse of Lander's political leanings.
posted by brownpau at 8:03 AM on April 11, 2008 [12 favorites]


too racy

The pun, it hurts.
posted by Faint of Butt at 8:07 AM on April 11, 2008 [2 favorites]


The punchline is that he's white? Isn't another thing white people like obsessing about how lame white people are?
posted by DU at 8:09 AM on April 11, 2008


So White People are the new ninjas, or zombies, or something?
posted by The Straightener at 8:10 AM on April 11, 2008


It was, unfortunately, too racy for Metafilter.*)

Pulling it was Mefi's whitest moment.
posted by brautigan at 8:10 AM on April 11, 2008 [5 favorites]


This was the funniest comedy routine of 1978.
posted by mr_roboto at 8:11 AM on April 11, 2008 [2 favorites]


I dunno, I keep waiting for the actual humor bits, but I don't think I've smiled at that site even once.
posted by Malor at 8:12 AM on April 11, 2008 [2 favorites]


Puts the "cock" in "Caucasion"...
posted by Dizzy at 8:12 AM on April 11, 2008


"Stuff Affluent White People in Major Metropolitan Areas Like", more likely.

Where's the NASCAR, meth, and Journey re-union tours on this list!? That's what white people REALLY like.
posted by dvdgee at 8:13 AM on April 11, 2008 [3 favorites]


Did someone assume that he wasn't white?
The punchline is that he's white?

I have a hard time believing that people who thought it was horrible, blood-curdling racism ever thought it might be written by someone who is white.
posted by blacklite at 8:14 AM on April 11, 2008


empath, good catch. When I initially saw the site, I had this exact reaction:

After reading several of the site’s posts, I couldn’t shake the feeling that there was something off about the entire venture

It did seem to me to be in many ways an attempt at a sly attack on progressive values and living patterns.
posted by Miko at 8:15 AM on April 11, 2008


I don't.
posted by cashman at 8:15 AM on April 11, 2008


Still waiting on stuff that's not young, "hip" liberal white people. White people are really into evangelical churches, country clubs, golf, and college-themed comedies but they haven't shown up yet.
posted by mikeh at 8:16 AM on April 11, 2008


Stuff Affluent White People in Major Metropolitan Areas Like
posted by Miko at 8:16 AM on April 11, 2008 [1 favorite]


Still waiting on stuff that's not young, "hip" liberal white people. White people are really into evangelical churches, country clubs, golf, and college-themed comedies but they haven't shown up yet.

Totally, mikeh. Or as empath's link puts it:

Oddly enough, given the site’s name, there are no entries for Ayn Rand, Larry the Cable Guy, or NASCAR, despite their well-documented appeal to the melatonin-challenged sector of our society. Funny, that.

It's another grenade-lob in the culture wars, and I feel like a tool for having given it as much thought as I did.
posted by Miko at 8:18 AM on April 11, 2008


White people making jokes about white people is like my brother reading a poem about lawn chairs. If you knew my brother, you'd get that. Well actually, you'd have to know him pretty well, but if you did, it'd be pretty funny. And by well, I don't just mean know him at work or chat with him at the bar. You'd have to pretty much know him for a few years and get beyond that courteous day-to-day small talk and really get to know him. You wouldn't have to be his absolute best friend, but somebody that spent some quality time with him. Which, if you knew my brother, isn't as easy as it sounds. Did I ever tell you about the time we tried to throw him a surprise birthday party, but by the time he got home most of us...sorry, I think I got off on a tengent. What we were we talking about? Betty White? She's the bomb.
posted by Slack-a-gogo at 8:18 AM on April 11, 2008 [2 favorites]


a sly attack on progressive values

Sample entry:

#94 Free Healthcare

In spite of having access to the best health insurance and fanciest hospitals, white people are passionate about the idea of socialized medicine. So much so that they have memorized statistics and examples of how for-profit medicine has destroyed the United States.

...

And so on. Yes, I'm sure POOR people, many of whom are NON-WHITE, would scoff at the notion of their children receiving medical care. "That's for white people," they would say.
posted by DU at 8:18 AM on April 11, 2008


That came off like I'm agreeing with people who think he's slamming progressive values -- I think it's probably that he's self-deprecating himself and his peers, or is just mocking the day-to-day stuff that he takes for granted.

Still, reach a little, man.
posted by mikeh at 8:20 AM on April 11, 2008


What would be even more awesome would be if we deleted this one, too!
posted by kittens for breakfast at 8:21 AM on April 11, 2008 [3 favorites]


There are any number of comedians and essayists who are capable of riffing on race with insight and humor.

'Stuff White People Like' is an overly verbose Amazon List with vigorous self-promotion.
posted by ardgedee at 8:22 AM on April 11, 2008


Very perceptive glimpse of Lander's political leanings.

Personally, I thought otherwise-- yes, it did use those talking points but more as a humorous trope. I don't read SWPL because it's fair, I read it because it's funny-in-an-obnoxious-sort-of-way. The author makes those choices regardless of his actual political leanings.
posted by deanc at 8:22 AM on April 11, 2008


One thing I'm not clear on: blacklite, how are you involved with the project? You're in the pics, and when you talk about posting it you say

We tried once, twice...

Who's we?
posted by Miko at 8:23 AM on April 11, 2008


Ice hockey. ATVs. Hunting. West Point. Random House.

I haven't looked at it since the initial post/email/im message, but I never had a doubt the author was white and conservative. The obvious target is the "liberal elite" or "those city folk who say they are multicultural, but their whiteness is what really defines their identities."
posted by mrgrimm at 8:24 AM on April 11, 2008 [2 favorites]


Why won't this shit stay dead, and why do you think it's appropriate to try to post it yet again?
posted by OmieWise at 8:24 AM on April 11, 2008


Unfunny "observational comedy" embraced by the general public! Film at 11!
posted by Shepherd at 8:24 AM on April 11, 2008


Stuff White People Overhype
posted by Eideteker at 8:26 AM on April 11, 2008


Miko asks "We tried once, twice... Who's we?"

I think he means the collective we of MetaFilter, referring to the two previous attemptsd to post about it here.
posted by Slack-a-gogo at 8:26 AM on April 11, 2008


It is also strongly encouraged that you memorize the lyrics to “Jump Around.”

good luck with that
posted by pyramid termite at 8:27 AM on April 11, 2008


Can the book beat the backlash? Random House's I-Meme imprint races to print and ship copies while editors sweat the turning tide on message boards across cyberspace.

WHO WILL WIN? Tune in next week.
posted by The Straightener at 8:29 AM on April 11, 2008


It did seem to me to be in many ways an attempt at a sly attack on progressive values and living patterns.

Yes, well, I personally expect -- nay, demand -- a public mockery of my values and living patterns. I shall not rest until the white-collar-themed stand-up comedian "Tristan the Web Designer" gets his own comedy special on Comedy Central.

On its worst days, the site is like an unfunny, bad episode of South Park. On its best days, I read it and think, "Ouch. That is my life."
posted by deanc at 8:29 AM on April 11, 2008


I think he means the collective we of MetaFilter

The collective we is not in the pictures on the website, though.
posted by Miko at 8:30 AM on April 11, 2008


Who's we?

white people - didn't you get the newsletter? we're ALL supposed to get it
posted by pyramid termite at 8:30 AM on April 11, 2008


Why won't this shit stay dead, and why do you think it's appropriate to try to post it yet again?

Seriously, if we could get the Pepsi White out of here, that'd be great. Why the fuck would someone who KNOWS this crap was deleted twice post it yet AGAIN?
posted by kittens for breakfast at 8:30 AM on April 11, 2008


All I know is that I brush my teeth like THIS.
And other people? They brush their teeth like THIS.
Amirite folks?
posted by miss lynnster at 8:32 AM on April 11, 2008


One thing I'm not clear on: blacklite, how are you involved with the project? You're in the pics, and when you talk about posting it you say

I used the blockquote tag. It was a quote. From the interview that I linked just before the quote. That's why it starts with "SWPL:", is indented, and has different capitalization from the rest of the post.

You would have to read the links before commenting for this to work out for you, I guess.
posted by blacklite at 8:33 AM on April 11, 2008


The collective we is not in the pictures on the website, though.

You need to read the FPP again.
posted by DU at 8:34 AM on April 11, 2008


It was brownpau's link. But I said in the first metatalk thread was that the page was about rich people, not white people.

White people like beer, NASCAR, hooters, country music, crystal meth, televangelists, tabloid newspapers, gameshows and soap operas.
posted by empath at 8:34 AM on April 11, 2008


This has nothing to do with race. This is just another tired version of: "Man I love living in New York/L.A./ San Francisco/Chicago, but all the people living here that I associate with are so LAME! lol." If I read one more fucking diatribe about how much you fucking urban hipsters hate all the other fucking urban hipsters I am going to fucking die. Hating on people who have large collections of vinyl or skinny jeans has absolutely no relevance to 90% of America because all of you congregate in a dozen large cities that we don't live in. You don't like all you douche bags? Move back to where you grew up. Avoiding people like you is why some of us never left.
posted by ND¢ at 8:34 AM on April 11, 2008 [2 favorites]


I didn't recognize the quoting convention you used in the addendum to the post right away (normally the italics or a link when naming the source before the colon helps people with that). Sorry. But yeah, why again?
posted by Miko at 8:36 AM on April 11, 2008


I'm white, and I don't like this.
posted by Fuzzy Monster at 8:37 AM on April 11, 2008


I was going to slam it, buuuut...

I mean, wow, even naysayers have to admit that its a pretty epically thorough compendium of whiteness
posted by [son] QUAALUDE at 8:38 AM on April 11, 2008


Wow. The stuffy, humorless, unable-to-take-a-joke tsk-tsking of that "Get Off The Internet" link does more to stereotype white liberals than the entire Stuff White People Like site. Which, you know, is a satire. It's annoying that some people (people who I have a lot in common with, socially and politically) can't take some gentle ribbing about their lifestyle but cheer every time The Daily Show points out some more Republican hypocrisy or stupidity.
posted by Kronoss at 8:38 AM on April 11, 2008


Metafilter got it right. I simply do not understand what is so interesting about this site. I am, however, fascinated by the media interest in it. Especially how they use it as a springbaord to discuss race, instead of, you know, using something more relevant like financial and educational disparities. I could sit here and write that this site uses "White" as an adjective devoid of any meaning whatsoever. The site could replace "White People" with "rich people," "people from Oregon," or "vegetarians" and it would provoke the exact same non reaction. But to comment in this way would be fall fall into the trap of discussing the site on it's merits, which has the effect of conferring upon it the illusion that it has substance.

What is more illuminating is the press response. The dead-tree press loves this story precisely because it let's them cast the internet as something light and frivolous. Nothing serious happens on the internet, you see. It's all PostSecret, and We're Sorry, and StuffWhitePeopleLike. These magazines and newspapers use stories about sites like this to restrict the discussion of the internet to the style pages and the Life section. See, the internet is a new form of television. There is funny stuff there for you to look at, but that's it. Because God forbid their readers discover that the internet has already replaced the paper or magazine they're reading, and that furthermore it's free.

Furthermore, the press covers sites like this precisely because they know people are going to be discussing their articles about that site. This helps to reinforce their authority and elevate themselves above the internet, which is eviscerating their business.

This is not to offend or criticize blacklite, because blogs all over are picking up the story of newspapers picking up the story of SWPL, but so what if a newspaper is talking about it? Does the fact that an old-time newspaper is discussing the site validate our enjoyment of it, and by extension, validate our taste and judgment? Is it okay for us to like this site now that the grown-ups in print journalism have given it their blessing?

Why does it matter to us that the newspapers are picking up on this? I think this is an important question, and I think the answer, whatever it is, goes a long way to explaining why people still read newspapers at all even though the internet has rendered them totally obsolete.
posted by Pastabagel at 8:39 AM on April 11, 2008 [4 favorites]




Yeah, white people hate being told they have no sense of humor about themselves. They get so defensive! Lighten up, white people. Can't you take a joke? We're all friends here! No offense meant! Damn, white people are way too serious all the time.

There's a reason it sounds familiar. It's old hat, reduction to stereotype.
posted by Miko at 8:42 AM on April 11, 2008


Stuff Hipsters Affluent White People in Major Metropolitan Areas Like

You'll note that, lacking a "double strike" tag in HTML, I have pioneered the use of bold to indicate the portion which has passed through FTFY twice. For the person who makes the obvious next step, I suggest using italics to indicate the word "white" has now gone through three times, and then both bold and italics. After that, the we'll need to start working with the small tag.
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 8:42 AM on April 11, 2008


Still waiting on stuff that's not young, "hip" liberal white people. White people are really into evangelical churches, country clubs, golf, and college-themed comedies but they haven't shown up yet.

You see, I think that would actually be racist. One of the reasons the site is funny because it makes fun of the penchant of some people to think they're normal and mainstream while actually pointing out that their preferences and predilictions are part of a rather narrow cultural milieu. But the site is making fun of my cultural milieu, so I feel obligated to defend it from those who are so dismissive.

I have a stack of graduate degrees, I live in a hip neighborhood, and I have a large record collection. I expect you to make fun of me. An entire web site dedicated to mocking evangelicals who like dumb comedies and NASCAR is just... pointless.

However, I probably would have flagged it as a bad post when people posted it to metafilter. "Best of the Web" != "amusing blog everyone has already seen."
posted by deanc at 8:46 AM on April 11, 2008


Stuff Affluent Liberals Like.
posted by tadellin at 8:46 AM on April 11, 2008


Stuff The Site Owner Of Stuff White People Like Hates
posted by DU at 8:47 AM on April 11, 2008


when i hear the word culture, i reach for my yogurt
posted by pyramid termite at 8:48 AM on April 11, 2008


Personally I think the site is silly and even dumb. I also don't like most stand-up comedy. Obviously there is a large enough group of people who get a chuckle out of this to warrant the expense of publishing a book. It seems to me enough to registrar yr dislike, contempt, or outright disgust one time and leave it at that. Why keep posting over and over about how much time yr not going to waste on this? You wanna censor what others (myself not included) like? Just say you hate it, flag and move along. This seems to me a poor place to choose a left/right battle. I guess I'm flummoxed by the outrage this elicits and am forced to wonder if some of us don't have some very thin skins.
posted by dawson at 8:48 AM on April 11, 2008


white people like rick astley
posted by pyramid termite at 8:42 AM on April 11 [+] [!]


I was expencting the "standard" rick roll, and was very disappointed.

and, yes.... yes i do
posted by [son] QUAALUDE at 8:48 AM on April 11, 2008


White People don't like white people.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 8:48 AM on April 11, 2008


I only like some of the stuff on the list... maybe I should ask Mom who my real Daddy is again....

But that picture of Barak Obama with the Friends made me laugh, and I'm not quite sure why.
posted by Green Eyed Monster at 8:50 AM on April 11, 2008


EXPENCTING??? white people don't mis-spell things! WHA?
posted by [son] QUAALUDE at 8:51 AM on April 11, 2008


Ugh. The "interview" is just a log of an IM chat. While I'm all for chatting on IM, I find reading them excruciating.
SWPL: [re. multiple washcloth use] I have the same questions about deep fryer oil like can you only use it once?

TAN: no way. i'm clueless in terms of cooking, but i feel in my black roots there's an implicit sense of cooking oil getting better every time you use it ...

SWPL: that's what I would think

TAN: i know people keep bacon grease and stuff to dabble in other things.

SWPL: because it seems like a waste to buy a ton of peanut oil to cook like 4 donuts. man, I've been so tempted to get a deep fryer for experiments but I know it would ruin me

TAN: ha. only white people would buy peanut oil to cook 4donuts. Or an experimental deep fryer...
Jesus. I can practically hear my cells dying one by one.
posted by Skot at 8:51 AM on April 11, 2008


Such a clever website: by being more conservative, one gets to be less white.
posted by washburn at 8:51 AM on April 11, 2008 [2 favorites]


Yeah, the site never struck me as crypto-conservative as much as it did typical hipster self-loathing.
posted by turaho at 8:53 AM on April 11, 2008


Jesus. I can practically hear my cells dying one by one.

My white Southern Appalachian grandmother deep-fried more stuff in her lifetime than either of those guys will ever eat.
posted by Miko at 8:55 AM on April 11, 2008


Meh.
posted by sciurus at 8:55 AM on April 11, 2008


I was expencting the "standard" rick roll

oh, yeah ...
posted by pyramid termite at 8:56 AM on April 11, 2008


Also, the conceit behind Stuff White People Like was already played out 24 years ago.

Which is not to say that I don't think SWPL is funny. Because it actually is.
posted by turaho at 9:00 AM on April 11, 2008


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