"That" is not all he wrote
April 12, 2013 8:18 PM Subscribe
The new James Joyce commemorative coin has a typo. "While the error is regretted, it should be noted that the coin is an artistic representation of the author and text and not intended as a literal representation."
Whoops, Joyce had it right - I totally missed that the bank inserted an extraneous "that". Troubling.
posted by KokuRyu at 8:27 PM on April 12, 2013
posted by KokuRyu at 8:27 PM on April 12, 2013
I thought coin collectors liked errors.
posted by ryanrs at 8:30 PM on April 12, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by ryanrs at 8:30 PM on April 12, 2013 [1 favorite]
Typically, coins with errors like that end up being worth a fair bit more to collectors.
posted by Malor at 8:31 PM on April 12, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Malor at 8:31 PM on April 12, 2013 [1 favorite]
Why QA matters... Hire a damn copy editor already!
posted by limeonaire at 8:39 PM on April 12, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by limeonaire at 8:39 PM on April 12, 2013 [2 favorites]
Fuck. Sold out.
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 8:45 PM on April 12, 2013
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 8:45 PM on April 12, 2013
riverrun, through papersfold, only threw errs telled nor tolled
posted by SomaSoda at 8:47 PM on April 12, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by SomaSoda at 8:47 PM on April 12, 2013 [3 favorites]
"The error is regretted"?
Wow, that's probably one of the worse examples I've seen of using the passive voice to avoid taking responsibility.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 8:50 PM on April 12, 2013 [4 favorites]
Wow, that's probably one of the worse examples I've seen of using the passive voice to avoid taking responsibility.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 8:50 PM on April 12, 2013 [4 favorites]
You have to admit, "It's a shame that we messed up, but come on, Joyce would have been all about this" is a pretty great defense.
posted by rifflesby at 8:53 PM on April 12, 2013 [11 favorites]
posted by rifflesby at 8:53 PM on April 12, 2013 [11 favorites]
It's actually supposed to say "frig my prick, Nora, while I sniff your arse"
posted by DecemberBoy at 9:06 PM on April 12, 2013 [5 favorites]
posted by DecemberBoy at 9:06 PM on April 12, 2013 [5 favorites]
I guess "not intended as a literal representation" is like "not intended to be a factual statement," but for misquotations instead of lies. It sounds like a dignified, face-saving way of backtracking to the person saying it, but it actually just reaffirms the speaker's untrustworthiness.
posted by RogerB at 9:07 PM on April 12, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by RogerB at 9:07 PM on April 12, 2013 [1 favorite]
It's always this that or the other.
posted by 2bucksplus at 9:11 PM on April 12, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by 2bucksplus at 9:11 PM on April 12, 2013 [1 favorite]
rifflesby: "You have to admit, "It's a shame that we messed up, but come on, Joyce would have been all about this" is a pretty great defense"
I believe the term is "chutzpah".
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 9:12 PM on April 12, 2013 [2 favorites]
I believe the term is "chutzpah".
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 9:12 PM on April 12, 2013 [2 favorites]
Typos are a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.
posted by deathpanels at 9:38 PM on April 12, 2013
posted by deathpanels at 9:38 PM on April 12, 2013
DecemberBoy are those verified Joyce correspondence or just a prank? I honestly can't tell.
posted by Doleful Creature at 9:43 PM on April 12, 2013
posted by Doleful Creature at 9:43 PM on April 12, 2013
It's actually supposed to say "frig my prick, Nora, while I sniff your arse"
That'd bring a whole new meaning to debasing the coinage.
posted by Abiezer at 9:45 PM on April 12, 2013 [3 favorites]
That'd bring a whole new meaning to debasing the coinage.
posted by Abiezer at 9:45 PM on April 12, 2013 [3 favorites]
Internet quotes have struck again. DEATH TO INTERNET QUOTES!
posted by symbioid at 10:07 PM on April 12, 2013
posted by symbioid at 10:07 PM on April 12, 2013
... the error is regretted...not intended as a literal representation.
“Thou shalt commit adultery.”
posted by LeLiLo at 10:12 PM on April 12, 2013 [3 favorites]
“Thou shalt commit adultery.”
posted by LeLiLo at 10:12 PM on April 12, 2013 [3 favorites]
DecemberBoy are those verified Joyce correspondence or just a prank? I honestly can't tell.
posted by Doleful Creature at 12:43 AM on April 13 [+] [!]
Oh, they are all too real.
posted by ZaphodB at 10:15 PM on April 12, 2013
posted by Doleful Creature at 12:43 AM on April 13 [+] [!]
Oh, they are all too real.
posted by ZaphodB at 10:15 PM on April 12, 2013
Today on BBC radio, the guy in charge of BBC 1, which is the pop radio station there, explained why BBC 1 would not be playing "Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead" on its top of the charts show this weekend, despite the fact that the old Wizard of Oz song is in fact at (or near) the top of the charts.
Hang with me. I will connect this.
"The decision was made that playing that song would be distasteful to the family."
"So you made the decision to censor 'Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead."
"No. The decision taken is not censorship. It was found that the song was not in good taste at this time."
"So you say it is distasteful? A song from an American musical? A children's song, some may say?"
"At this time it was decided the context of the times -- the Baroness's death and My God, she's not even in the grave as of yet -- this makes the song distasteful."
"But BBC1 has played 'Milkshake' , on numerous occasions, a song about a young woman manually pleasuring her paramour."
"Well I certainly resent the implication that BBC1 is acting hypocritically. Moreover, I resist the charge that BBC1 airs distasteful music of any sort."
"Well I for one have heard 'Milkshake' on the Top of the Charts Show. Is it your contention that that song is in good taste while 'Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead' is not?"
"I will not speak to the tastefulness of 'Milkshake' or other songs aired in the past. You have asked me here to speak of the decision reached not to play this song."
"But you understand the charge, surely? Censorship is serious business."
"And I must reiterate, the decision taken is not censorship, but only a refusal to play this song, on this show, following the events of this past week."
"Will you play the song on subsequent shows if its supporters manage to keep it at the top of the charts?"
"If it remains distasteful, it may in fact be decided to continue not to play it."
"But you won't agree that is censorship?"
"Of course not, because as I have said, it is not."
OK, the connection.
What some have described above as 'chutzpah' in the authorities' response to being caught out in a typo (or in censorship) are rather examples of "Keeping Calm and Carrying On."
posted by notyou at 11:07 PM on April 12, 2013 [5 favorites]
Hang with me. I will connect this.
"The decision was made that playing that song would be distasteful to the family."
"So you made the decision to censor 'Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead."
"No. The decision taken is not censorship. It was found that the song was not in good taste at this time."
"So you say it is distasteful? A song from an American musical? A children's song, some may say?"
"At this time it was decided the context of the times -- the Baroness's death and My God, she's not even in the grave as of yet -- this makes the song distasteful."
"But BBC1 has played 'Milkshake' , on numerous occasions, a song about a young woman manually pleasuring her paramour."
"Well I certainly resent the implication that BBC1 is acting hypocritically. Moreover, I resist the charge that BBC1 airs distasteful music of any sort."
"Well I for one have heard 'Milkshake' on the Top of the Charts Show. Is it your contention that that song is in good taste while 'Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead' is not?"
"I will not speak to the tastefulness of 'Milkshake' or other songs aired in the past. You have asked me here to speak of the decision reached not to play this song."
"But you understand the charge, surely? Censorship is serious business."
"And I must reiterate, the decision taken is not censorship, but only a refusal to play this song, on this show, following the events of this past week."
"Will you play the song on subsequent shows if its supporters manage to keep it at the top of the charts?"
"If it remains distasteful, it may in fact be decided to continue not to play it."
"But you won't agree that is censorship?"
"Of course not, because as I have said, it is not."
OK, the connection.
What some have described above as 'chutzpah' in the authorities' response to being caught out in a typo (or in censorship) are rather examples of "Keeping Calm and Carrying On."
posted by notyou at 11:07 PM on April 12, 2013 [5 favorites]
get away from me james joyce
I like to imagine that James Joyce is a Freddy Kreuger-like malevolent spirit who visits random women in dreams... and gives them letters about sniffing their butts.
posted by DecemberBoy at 11:08 PM on April 12, 2013 [4 favorites]
I like to imagine that James Joyce is a Freddy Kreuger-like malevolent spirit who visits random women in dreams... and gives them letters about sniffing their butts.
posted by DecemberBoy at 11:08 PM on April 12, 2013 [4 favorites]
DecemberBoy are those verified Joyce correspondence or just a prank? I honestly can't tell.
I like to imagine that James Joyce is a Freddy Kreuger-like malevolent spirit who visits random women in dreams... and gives them letters about sniffing their butts.
Jesus fucking christ James and Nora were together for 37 years and obviously they had a pretty intense sexual relationship for at least awhile there and letters were the dickpix of the time leave it the fuck alone.
Seriously, though. Erotic correspondence is a major plot point in Ulysses, so that's interesting, right?
posted by mr_roboto at 12:53 AM on April 13, 2013 [3 favorites]
I like to imagine that James Joyce is a Freddy Kreuger-like malevolent spirit who visits random women in dreams... and gives them letters about sniffing their butts.
Jesus fucking christ James and Nora were together for 37 years and obviously they had a pretty intense sexual relationship for at least awhile there and letters were the dickpix of the time leave it the fuck alone.
Seriously, though. Erotic correspondence is a major plot point in Ulysses, so that's interesting, right?
posted by mr_roboto at 12:53 AM on April 13, 2013 [3 favorites]
I'm just glad they used one of my favorite passages from my favorite chapter, Proteus, rather than again quoting Molly Bloom's soliloquy.
The whole chapter is quotable, but my favorite bit is inexplicably:
Beauty is not there. Nor in the stagnant bay of Marsh's library where you read the fading prophecies of Joachim Abbas.
I love the whole chapter, Stephen's inward thoughts bumping against and changing the external world.
Shut your eyes and see.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 1:21 AM on April 13, 2013
The whole chapter is quotable, but my favorite bit is inexplicably:
Beauty is not there. Nor in the stagnant bay of Marsh's library where you read the fading prophecies of Joachim Abbas.
I love the whole chapter, Stephen's inward thoughts bumping against and changing the external world.
Shut your eyes and see.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 1:21 AM on April 13, 2013
The Irish Central Bank has made a fair few worse mistakes than this.
posted by moorooka at 2:44 AM on April 13, 2013 [6 favorites]
posted by moorooka at 2:44 AM on April 13, 2013 [6 favorites]
I'd have preferred if the Bank had responded by alluding to the Islamic axiom that those who attempt to create a "perfect" object are only offending the man upstairs, and left it at that.
posted by mr. digits at 5:54 AM on April 13, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by mr. digits at 5:54 AM on April 13, 2013 [2 favorites]
He said and then lifted he in his rude great brawny strengthy hands the medher of dark strong foamy ale and, uttering his tribal slogan Lamh Dearg Abu, he drank to the undoing of his foes, a race of mighty valorous heroes, rulers of the waves, who sit on thrones of alabaster silent as the deathless gods.Give me that on a coin. (but I do like the one they picked too)
posted by kiltedtaco at 6:03 AM on April 13, 2013
Of course JJ predicted this:
Once Bank of Ireland's ... Wrongly spilled ... Now Bunk of England's.
(Finnegans Wake page 420 lines 32-34)
posted by chavenet at 6:10 AM on April 13, 2013 [6 favorites]
Once Bank of Ireland's ... Wrongly spilled ... Now Bunk of England's.
(Finnegans Wake page 420 lines 32-34)
posted by chavenet at 6:10 AM on April 13, 2013 [6 favorites]
"While the error is regretted, it should be noted that the coin is an artistic representation of the author and text and not intended as a literal representation."
God, what a crock of shit. This is the kind of thing the saying about insult to injury was coined (so to speak) for.
posted by BibiRose at 9:11 AM on April 13, 2013 [3 favorites]
God, what a crock of shit. This is the kind of thing the saying about insult to injury was coined (so to speak) for.
posted by BibiRose at 9:11 AM on April 13, 2013 [3 favorites]
As far as I know, Joyce has referred to Ireland as "Errorland".
posted by WalkingAround at 12:42 PM on April 13, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by WalkingAround at 12:42 PM on April 13, 2013 [2 favorites]
Someone get Jack Kidd on the phone.
posted by octobersurprise at 4:21 PM on April 13, 2013
posted by octobersurprise at 4:21 PM on April 13, 2013
Joyce may have approved. While he was dictating Finnegans Wake to Samuel Beckett, someone knocked on the door. Joyce said, "Come in", and Beckett, not realising why Joyce said that, wrote it down. When Beckett read the text back to Joyce, Joyce stopped him and enquired why the words "Come in" appeared in the text. When they realised what had happened, Joyce gave the matter a moment's consideration and said, "Let it stand."
posted by Tarn at 8:29 PM on April 13, 2013 [3 favorites]
posted by Tarn at 8:29 PM on April 13, 2013 [3 favorites]
I apologize in advance, but I just thought of a terrible joke and need to get it off my conscience.
Yes or no question: what's the last word of James Joyce's Ulysses?
posted by holmesian at 9:11 AM on April 17, 2013
Yes or no question: what's the last word of James Joyce's Ulysses?
posted by holmesian at 9:11 AM on April 17, 2013
Yes
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 3:46 PM on April 17, 2013
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 3:46 PM on April 17, 2013
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