That was close. We almost passed the Bechdel Test.
January 16, 2015 11:46 AM   Subscribe

 
I mean I know our society looooooves white people but Jesus, all 20 actor/actresses white? So blindingly white.
posted by ORthey at 11:55 AM on January 16, 2015 [5 favorites]


So blindingly white.

The Lego Movie was robbed.

#dickpoop
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:58 AM on January 16, 2015 [6 favorites]


Oh, and yeah, so blindingly male, too.
posted by ORthey at 12:01 PM on January 16, 2015 [2 favorites]


Speaking of Jesus... I was wondering if the Bible passed the Bechdel Test the other night... I decided to google it.

My address bar auto-completed "does the bible" to "does the bible pass the bechdel test".

Anyways, as I suspected, someone has done the analysis.
posted by el io at 12:03 PM on January 16, 2015 [27 favorites]


Related: Slate's Dan Kois on the differences in how the Academy treats movies about men and movies about women.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 12:09 PM on January 16, 2015 [4 favorites]


The Lego Movie was robbed.

Oh my god, seriously, what in the actual fuck.
posted by Etrigan at 12:10 PM on January 16, 2015 [5 favorites]


What's the joke about the "Acting Nose" about?
posted by Joe in Australia at 12:14 PM on January 16, 2015


One of them reminds Dick of Channing Tatum, but this stays in subtext where it belongs.

I managed not to giggle till I got to that one.

I went to see the Imitation Game, but mostly to see Keira Knightly in 40s clothes, I will confess. Cumberbatch is rapidly beating out Tom Hanks in the role of "Actor that everyone praises but whom I don't actually care for who is in so many fucking movies that I end up watching him anyway."
posted by emjaybee at 12:18 PM on January 16, 2015 [5 favorites]


Dick Poop was also robbed. The guy was nominated and then it was taken away so quickly.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:18 PM on January 16, 2015


What's the joke about the "Acting Nose" about?

Foxcatcher.
posted by Etrigan at 12:19 PM on January 16, 2015


I am pretty sure it's a reference to Steve Carrell's fake nose in Foxcatcher.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 12:19 PM on January 16, 2015


Lego Movie did get a nom for best song.
posted by smackfu at 12:24 PM on January 16, 2015


Lego Movie did get a nom for best song.

And I hope it wins, because I will derive a lot of delight from seeing the astonishingly improbable combination of words that is "Academy Award Winner Andy Samberg."
posted by yasaman at 12:27 PM on January 16, 2015 [18 favorites]


Re: Acting nose, actors (especially actresses) frequently get rewarded by the academy awards for changing their appearance for a role: uglying up their face, losing a lot of weight or playing someone who's disabled, etc.
posted by bleep at 12:28 PM on January 16, 2015


As if they like to pat themselves on the back for the outward appearance of real acting while actual good acting and actual good movies are ignored.
posted by bleep at 12:29 PM on January 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


And I hope it wins, because I will derive a lot of delight from seeing the astonishingly improbable combination of words that is "Academy Award Winner Andy Samberg."

Performers don't get credit -- only Shawn Patterson was nominated for "Everything Is Awesome."

We do however, get the chance to see Archie Bunker's niece win one.
posted by Etrigan at 12:31 PM on January 16, 2015


Aw, I didn't realize the Lonely Island weren't credited as co-writers on that song. Still, watching that song be performed at the Oscars will probably be the only thing about the show worth watching.
posted by yasaman at 12:35 PM on January 16, 2015


Chekhov's Tatum
posted by robocop is bleeding at 12:36 PM on January 16, 2015 [7 favorites]


And I hope it wins, because I will derive a lot of delight from seeing the astonishingly improbable combination of words that is "Academy Award Winner Andy Samberg."

Bob Saget gets to call himself an Academy Award-winner (sort of, and deservedly, believe it or not), so anything is possible.
posted by maxsparber at 12:38 PM on January 16, 2015


It seems like politics (as in internal jockeying) had a lot to do with some of the snubs this year, at least acting wise. This article has some explanations which hold some water, chief being the lack of David Oyelowo as Best Actor (due to studios campaigning/forcing Carrell getting a best actor nom vs supporting to keep the supporting category open for JK Simmons for Whiplash, pushing Oyelowo out) and why the LEGO movie wasn't nominated (animated features are nominated solely by animation professionals, whose reasons tend to be based more on artistry and craftsmanship than critical reviews, not the general Academy).

I'll never get over how the Academy nominated neither Hoop Dreams nor Crumb for Best Documentary Feature in 1994, both because of their awful "flashlight" system where nominators would flash a flashlight at the screen when they were no longer interested, and once a majority of lights were on the screen, they would immediately stop the film. Neither film made it past 20 minutes IIRC. Two of the greatest documentaries of all time.

That's the Academy for you.
posted by tittergrrl at 12:39 PM on January 16, 2015 [13 favorites]


they like to pat themselves on the back

All award shows in a nutshell.
posted by Steely-eyed Missile Man at 12:45 PM on January 16, 2015


So every year we try to watch all the Best Picture nominations, and to get them all in we usually start out before the nomination and watch any likely candidates that have the right "buzz" around them.

Our hit rate was pretty good this year, so we only have a few to go, but we also took in a bunch of movies that didn't make it and I have to say by far and away out of the ones that made it and the ones that didn't the ones that didn't are the much better bunch - Wild, Nightcrawler, Under the Skin and the Babadook in particular.

The Oscars are always a little small c conservative but this year seems particularly bland.
posted by Artw at 12:45 PM on January 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


Not from that article, but one they linked to:

But the Oscars should not be about rewarding competence; they should reward excellence.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Should" and "is" are hardly ever int he same room, let alone the same thing. In a world where Forrest Gump won a best picture award I think we can safely stop caring what the Oscars have to say
posted by edgeways at 12:45 PM on January 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


FWIW Birdman, Selma and Boyhood are still on our "to watch" list. Oh, and now "American Sniper". Fuuuuuuuuck.
posted by Artw at 12:47 PM on January 16, 2015


I'll never get over how the Academy nominated neither Hoop Dreams nor Crumb for Best Documentary Feature in 1994

Hoop Dreams was made by the same guy who made the universally acclaimed Life Itself, which was similarly un-nominated and whose subject (Roger Ebert) devoted more ink to Hoop Dreams's snub than 99 percent of Best Documentary nominees ever get.

The Academy has a long, long memory.
posted by Etrigan at 12:47 PM on January 16, 2015 [8 favorites]


I thought Carrell was better in Seeking A Friend For The End Of The World than Foxcatcher. But then I also think Life Aquatic was better than Grand Budapest.
posted by grumpybear69 at 12:48 PM on January 16, 2015 [3 favorites]


Though I will say either Top Five, or Selma should have at least been on the list, and the Imitation Game was ok, but suffered enough problems it shouldn't really be on the list
posted by edgeways at 12:48 PM on January 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


Oh, and now "American Sniper". Fuuuuuuuuck.

I, an Iraq War veteran, will be avoiding this movie on the basis of its patently stupid trailer (and the fact that The Hurt Locker was pablum, so the Academy lost all its "This is a good war movie" cred with me). Feel free to ignore it as well.
posted by Etrigan at 12:49 PM on January 16, 2015 [8 favorites]


As somebody over at Badass Digest pointed out
"18 out of 18 people nominated for Writing and/or Directing are men.
20 out of 20 nominated for Acting are white."


So yeah, that should give you some ideas whom not to include for an Oscar-nominated movie...
posted by bigendian at 12:50 PM on January 16, 2015 [2 favorites]


I hope Keaton gets it. His performance in Birdman was amazing.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:07 PM on January 16, 2015 [3 favorites]


I was quite bummed at the lack of acting nominations for Joaquin Phoenix and Josh Brolin in Inherent Vice.
posted by Bromius at 1:12 PM on January 16, 2015 [1 favorite]




I was quite bummed at the lack of acting nominations for Joaquin Phoenix and Josh Brolin in Inherent Vice.

I was too, but I am thrilled that Inherent Vice was nominated for Costume Design - I always appreciate when 1950s-and-forward costume design is recognized, because it's so much harder to get the right details on a era that many living people are actually very familiar with. The Academy should really split the category into "Modern Era" and "Period/Fantasy" costume design.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 1:18 PM on January 16, 2015


Which, if I would have looked before posting, the Costume Designers Guild already does. They split it into Contemporary, Period, and Fantasy. Here are this year's nominees.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 1:27 PM on January 16, 2015 [1 favorite]




Hoop Dreams was made by the same guy who made the universally acclaimed Life Itself, which was similarly un-nominated and whose subject (Roger Ebert) devoted more ink to Hoop Dreams's snub than 99 percent of Best Documentary nominees ever get.

Huh, I didn't realize that. Life Itself brought me close to tears but part of that was that we were watching it at EbertFest and Chaz, his widow, was sitting in the same theater watching it with us.

Generally if the Academy Awards manages to award the best of the year in any category, it's more by accident than design. Mostly they pick the safe and boring crowd pleasers and it's almost always been that way.
posted by octothorpe at 2:03 PM on January 16, 2015


animated features are nominated solely by animation professionals, whose reasons tend to be based more on artistry and craftsmanship than critical reviews, not the general Academy

Also from that article, was surprised that they need to watch all 20 shortlisted nominees in order to vote. Feels like the voting pool would end up pretty shallow.
posted by smackfu at 2:17 PM on January 16, 2015


I mostly watch The Oscars for the spectacle of it all. I stopped giving any credence to any of the choices that the Academy made a long time ago. My own choice of films that should be watched this year:

Under the Skin
Nightcrawler
Jodorowsky’s Dune
Only Lovers Left Alive
Force Majeure
Birdman
Grand Budapest Hotel
Internet's Own Boy

There are some great films out there, let your wallet speak for you and support films/artists you love.
posted by Fizz at 2:20 PM on January 16, 2015 [5 favorites]


"18 out of 18 people nominated for Writing and/or Directing are men.
20 out of 20 nominated for Acting are white."


I'm often not a huge fan of diversity-for-diversity's-sake, and I'd be willing to at least consider an argument that maybe, in 2014, "diverse" folks just kind of sucked at movie-making*. I mean it does happen, sometimes the white dudes are just better at things. That's cool.

But Selma is nominated for Best Picture. It is (according to the Academy) one of the best movies of the year. And, I'll admit that I don't know much about what goes into movie making, but you'd think that to be one of the best movies of the year either the acting had to not suck, or the direction had to not suck. So it's a lot harder to make the argument that women and black folks just aren't good this year, when women and black folks created something that's been recognized as "good."

So why did Selma get nominated for best picture when it has sub-par acting and directing? It seems like is has to be because either Selma is not that good, and got nominated because the Academy wanted to make some kind of a show to diversity. Or because the acting and directing was also good, but the Academy being racist and sexist didn't want to acknowledge it.

Neither of those choices make the Academy look good. Sister president or no.

*I would not actually buy that argument because, come on, but I might consider it.
posted by sparklemotion at 2:30 PM on January 16, 2015 [2 favorites]


I would question the notion that Lego Movie isn't a technically accomplished movie - they're doing some pretty great stuff with physics and procedural generation.
posted by Artw at 2:35 PM on January 16, 2015 [3 favorites]


I'm still angry at the Academy for not nominating The Last Seduction (and Linda Fiorentino's brilliant performance) on a technicality. I don't know why I insist on getting my hopes up every year.

At least Alejandro González Iñárritu (director of Birdman) is nominated . Let's hope he joins Alfonso Cuarón as another Mexican Best Director winner.
posted by magstheaxe at 2:37 PM on January 16, 2015


But Selma is nominated for Best Picture. It is (according to the Academy) one of the best movies of the year. And, I'll admit that I don't know much about what goes into movie making, but you'd think that to be one of the best movies of the year either the acting had to not suck, or the direction had to not suck.

I haven't seen most of the nominated movies, but Selma was nominated as one of the eight Best Pictures of the year, while all of the other (major) categories have five nominees. Foxcatcher has nominations in Best Actor, Supporting Actor, Director, and Original Screenplay, but Selma was still judged better.

On a purely mathematical level, it's not that insane that the Academy simply thought Selma was better than the sum of its parts, which might have been very good but not top-five good.

(Though, frankly, if the movie had been about LBJ's bravery, it totally would have gotten more noms.)
posted by Etrigan at 2:43 PM on January 16, 2015


Another thing to note in the Animation field: the Pixar lock is now dead as a doornail.
posted by Artw at 2:58 PM on January 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


There was no Pixar movie in 2014.
posted by smackfu at 3:16 PM on January 16, 2015 [2 favorites]


Another thing to note in the Animation field: the Pixar lock is now dead as a doornail.

I dunno about that. Yes, the last two films they released were not nominated, but they were both sequels... Cars 2 and Monsters University. Monsters University maybe should have been, but my guess is Disney put their influence behind Frozen. Those are also the only two films from Pixar that have ever not been nominated for best Animated Feature (the Planes films don't count, as they are not Pixar films, even though they are spin-offs from the Cars series).

Let's not forget Pixar had no films in 2014, but have two this year, both original features: Inside Out and The Good Dinosaur. I think their dominance isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
posted by tittergrrl at 3:24 PM on January 16, 2015


I would question the notion that Lego Movie isn't a technically accomplished movie

I wonder how many voters thought it was a big brickfilm.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 3:35 PM on January 16, 2015


My personal list would be something like:

Inherent Vice
Under the Skin
Coherence
The Guest
A Spell To Ward Off the Darkness
The Strange Colour Of Your Body's Tears
Blue Ruin
The Dance of Reality
The Raid 2
The Babadook

Doesn't even scratch the surface though. Such a fantastic year for film.
posted by naju at 4:09 PM on January 16, 2015 [2 favorites]


I know it wouldn't increase the diversity of the nominees, but Calvary was utterly exquisite. I don't know how much this is worth, as I'm not a big filmgoer, but it's probably one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life.
posted by kalimac at 4:30 PM on January 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


My personal list would be something like (in no order):

Boyhood
Inherent Vice
Gone Girl
Edge of Tomorrow
Locke
Blue Ruin
Life Itself
Grand Budapest Hotel

But there's a bunch of movies that I wasn't able to catch in the theater and haven't seen yet like Under The Skin and Only Lovers Left Alive and Birdman.
posted by octothorpe at 4:54 PM on January 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


I don't understand the movie 'The Guest'. I read numerous good reviews from critics I can normally trust, and i see it on a list like naju's above amongst some of my other favorites from the year. But ... when I watched I thought it was legitimately terrible, like cringeworthy B-movie terrible, and I wonder if I missed something - was it meant to be sort of satire or something?

Anyways, my three top movies of the year (Boyhood, Whiplash, Birdman) were all given several nominations so I'm generally satisfied w/ the Oscar noms this year. The only one I truly don't get is American Sniper. How did that get so much respect? Leaving aside the questionable backstory & accompanying politics, it just seemed like a completely mediocre movie. Had zero rhythm, no distinct style, and the editing felt half-completed before it was rushed into theaters. Everything about struck me as completely forgettable. I guess Eastwood is just that much of a Hollywood golden boy.

my top ten would look something like
Boyhood
Whiplash
Birdman
Under the Skin
Jodorowsky's Dune
Blue Ruin
Enemy
Nightcrawler
Snowpiercer
Grand Budapest Hotel

and I'm still waiting to see Inherent Vice & citizenfour, which are likely to make it on there
posted by mannequito at 5:07 PM on January 16, 2015


Clint Eastwood gets auto-nommed I guess. Coming to next Oscars: Chair Shouter.
posted by Artw at 5:13 PM on January 16, 2015 [2 favorites]


Oh damn, Snowpiercer, how did I forget that?
posted by octothorpe at 5:15 PM on January 16, 2015 [2 favorites]


On the subject of lists, so many have listed Boyhood and I just didn't like that film. I appreciate the idea behind it and the process was interesting, the "concept" of the film is more interesting that the film itself which I just found tedious. It felt very self-congratulatory.

Ah well, different strokes, different folks.
posted by Fizz at 5:16 PM on January 16, 2015 [1 favorite]


I don't understand the movie 'The Guest'. I read numerous good reviews from critics I can normally trust, and i see it on a list like naju's above amongst some of my other favorites from the year. But ... when I watched I thought it was legitimately terrible, like cringeworthy B-movie terrible, and I wonder if I missed something - was it meant to be sort of satire or something?

Yeah, it's pretty heavily referential and self-aware about its specific influences without being especially overt or hit-you-over-the-head about it, so probably lots of people can watch it without picking up on any of that (which is perfectly OK). Friend and mefite rabbitroom did a write-up of it recently which nails this question:

If the “Snoot Films” logo that opens THE GUEST looks somewhat familiar, it’s because it was likely modeled after the famous logo for The Cannon Group, the premiere purveyor of 80s action cinema on a budget. The kind of cheap action they specialized in–films such as DEATH WISH II, NINJA III: THE DOMINATION, and Chuck Norris’s DELTA FORCE series–is one of the obvious main influences on Adam Wingard’s colorful follow-up to YOU’RE NEXT. The other major obvious influence is what gives the film its sci-fi/horror flavor: HALLOWEEN III: SEASON OF THE WITCH... The plot of the film recalls 80s action films as well as playing like an inversion of later direct-to-video thrillers in which a (usually female) stranger moves in on a family for ulterior motives (see also: POISON IVY), and in combination with the almost cartoonish finale, THE GUEST almost plays like a tribute to and satire of direct-to-video “guilty pleasures” of the video store era. Of course, if you want to throw all that intertextual junk out the window, THE GUEST is also just a hell of a good time. The cast is fantastic, the soundtrack is awesome, and that last act is almost the David Wain/John Carpenter collaboration we never knew we needed. Hugely entertaining and totally, unapologetically badass.

Basically it's like a lost direct-to-video movie from that specific era when thriller, action, and horror could all meld together unpredictably into a single low-budget piece of enjoyable popcorn fun. The score is a full-on John Carpenter wonder, and the whole thing is funny and stylish as hell. Seriously, this movie is still pretty criminally unknown, and if any of this sounds remotely up your alley, seek it out.
posted by naju at 5:50 PM on January 16, 2015 [2 favorites]


Here's my Top 5 (I didn't see a lot of movies this year):

The Babadook
Inherent Vice
Gone Girl
Edge of Tomorrow
Tracks


I haven't seen Selma or A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night yet, though, both of which I expect I'll enjoy.

Bottom One:
Birdman. Visually engaging but otherwise wholly tedious, self-indulgent, and guilty of thinking it's a lot more clever than it actually is.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 6:00 PM on January 16, 2015


Poor old Edge of Tomorrow. It totally could have been the crossover smart SF movie of these Oscars if anyone had actually seen the thing. I like it in than role more than Snowpeircer, even.
posted by Artw at 6:32 PM on January 16, 2015 [4 favorites]


The FPP was pretty perfect. I love the people who say Selma wasn't nominated because it did not "accurately" portray LBJ. The only "accurate" things in The Imitation Game are that there once was a man named Alan Turing who worked on the Ultra project and was gay. Literally everything else about the movie is completely fictionalized, some of it quite badly.

Also, I'm still waiting for the day when the Oscars require the nominees to actually have been in theaters where real people can see them in the year of nomination. I'm hoping to see Selma this weekend. Of things I actually saw because they were played at theaters in Atlanta in the year 2014:

Boyhood
Obvious Child
Edge of Tomorrow
Snowpiercer
and an honorable mention tie for the Lego Movie and Interstellar
posted by hydropsyche at 6:45 PM on January 16, 2015


"DICK’S BOSS pushes this woman out of a window. She falls onto a parked car. This is a movie, so she is probably okay.
DICK’S BOSS
That was close. We almost passed the Bechdel Test.
DICK’S MALE COWORKER
Good lookin’ out there, Bob."


Alexandra Petri is always dead on.
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:15 PM on January 16, 2015


Variety speculates on why The LEGO Movie didn't get a Best Animated Feature nomination

I haven't seen any of the nominees in that category, so I can't definitively say they aren't all better than TLM, but its seems unlikely. I do object to the comparison to 2009 — where, the article notes, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs was not nominated, and The Secret of Kells was, because I did see TSOK and its nomination was well-deserved.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 7:37 PM on January 16, 2015


Hopefully the nomination means a proper release for Song of the Sea is coming.
posted by Artw at 8:00 PM on January 16, 2015


Citizenfour is nominated, mannequito. It's in theaters now-ish btw. (previously)
posted by jeffburdges at 1:29 AM on January 17, 2015


American Sniper got six Oscar nominations while/for distorting the Iraq war history. (via)
Related : What bothers me about Islam...
And : A Vietnam Veteran with PTSD is the First US Execution of 2015

posted by jeffburdges at 1:41 AM on January 17, 2015


jeffburdges: "Citizenfour is nominated, mannequito. It's in theaters now-ish btw. (previously)"

Yeah! 3 days only at my local university .... going to see it tomorrow.
posted by mannequito at 1:44 AM on January 17, 2015


It doesn't matter of a film is inaccurate, it matters if the inaccuracies get press.
posted by smackfu at 5:57 AM on January 17, 2015


I was sad that Chef got no love here or at the Golden Globes. That was my favorite movie of 2014.
posted by onlyconnect at 8:40 AM on January 17, 2015


why did Selma get nominated for Best Picture when it has sub-par acting and directing

Not getting nominated for one of the five best performance slots is hardly the same thing as being judged "sub-par."

I haven't seen Selma so can't judge how good it is, but the reviews suggest it's a stirring, but hardly ground-breaking film that happens to be about a very important subject. It does rather seem as if some of the "OMG how could they do that to Selma" angst is conflating the significance of the story it has to tell with the significance of the movie qua movie.

Not, of course, that the Academy has done a good job of making that distinction consistently in the past (see a substantial chunk of the movies about the holocaust etc.).
posted by yoink at 11:00 AM on January 17, 2015




American Sniper got six Oscar nominations while/for distorting the Iraq war history.

Careful, some of the movie's fans really don't like it when you criticize the film.
posted by homunculus at 2:20 PM on January 17, 2015 [1 favorite]


I just saw Selma. David Oyelowo was robbed of a nomination, and so was Ava DuVernay. I see a lot of movies (I mean, assuming they come out in Atlanta, of course)--at least 1 movie a week basically, pretty much every week. I see art house movies and dramas, and I love a cheesy action film.

Selma was an excellently crafted and executed movie. The acting was great, the writing was nuanced, and the direction and cinematography were especially good. While doing a good job portraying the leaders of the Civil Rights Movement, they managed to capture that this was a movement of many ordinary individuals who put their lives on the line for what is right, not for any other reason. It is very very hard to portray actual violence done by one human being to another with a stick or a whip or just fists and boots and not have it look cartoonish and also not turn away at the moment of pain and suffering. It's really hard to portray an icon like Dr. King and not have it be either cartoonish or hagiographic. This movie captured the violence and the humanity of those terrible days.

A charitable reading is that the Academy of Motion pictures is just really really white (and male), and they weren't particularly interested in this movie and so did not give it serious consideration. A less charitable reading is that they intentionally snubbed this particular movie and this particular director at this particular moment in history to make a point. In any case, I will not be watching the Oscars.
posted by hydropsyche at 2:46 PM on January 17, 2015 [1 favorite]


So, now, my top 5 for 2014 are
Selma
Boyhood
Obvious Child
Edge of Tomorrow
Snowpiercer
posted by hydropsyche at 2:49 PM on January 17, 2015


A less charitable reading is that they intentionally snubbed this particular movie and this particular director at this particular moment in history to make a point

It's hard to imagine how such a thing would be arranged; you would have to do it as a deliberate conspiracy involving a very large number of people. It seems inconceivable that someone wouldn't spill the beans.
posted by yoink at 4:35 PM on January 17, 2015


I guess you believe that the nominations are simply based on the number of votes, and that those votes are all completely independent of each other, and that there are no campaigns or advocates for some movies over others? I am perhaps more cynical about the academy than you.

In any case, intent doesn't really matter. The outcomes really suck this year.
posted by hydropsyche at 4:42 PM on January 17, 2015


I just saw Selma. David Oyelowo was robbed of a nomination, and so was Ava DuVernay.

Yup, just saw it and pretty much.
posted by Artw at 10:10 PM on January 17, 2015


Worth noting snowpiercer is technically not a 2014 film. it was out in 2013 in korea, or at festivals, or something. It's listed as such on imdb and elsewhere, even. although it also lists the date in theaters in the US as july 2014. Wouldn't surprise me if it was disqualified because of that.

A less charitable reading is that they intentionally snubbed this particular movie and this particular director at this particular moment in history to make a point. In any case, I will not be watching the Oscars.

This hits some weird point in my mind that's like a quantum state of eyerolling and somber belief. It's an outrageous conspiracy theory that i could totally see. It's ridiculous, but something specific about the recent #blacklivesmatter stuff has made several types of old white people really viscerally angry. And angry in a way they don't like to even talk about. I could absolutely see them looking that movie which is exactly about that and going "ugh, this shit again?".
posted by emptythought at 3:42 AM on January 18, 2015 [1 favorite]


Worth noting snowpiercer is technically not a 2014 film. it was out in 2013 in korea, or at festivals, or something. It's listed as such on imdb and elsewhere, even. although it also lists the date in theaters in the US as july 2014.

The standard for feature films is that the date of first showing in a Los Angeles theater must be in 2014, and the first showing anywhere may be no earlier than 2013 — see Rule Three here. Snowpiercer was on the list of films that were eligible this year. (The linked list appears to include feature-length films in all categories, including foreign, documentary, and animated; but not short films.)
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 9:01 AM on January 18, 2015


I keep forgetting Budapest is on the list, I so solidly think of it as a movie from the year before.
posted by Artw at 9:51 AM on January 18, 2015


I guess you believe that the nominations are simply based on the number of votes, and that those votes are all completely independent of each other, and that there are no campaigns or advocates for some movies over others? I am perhaps more cynical about the academy than you.

No, I'm very sure there are campaigns and voters who influence other voters and so forth. That is not exactly the same thing, however, as "hey, let's deliberately snub the director and star of Selma so as to "make a point." (And what point is that, exactly? You really think that the members of the academy are frothing at the mouth mad about the protest marches over Ferguson and Eric Garner? That they're sitting around saying "damned uppity blackfolks, we gotta teach them a lesson, dammit"? And that somehow despite these feelings and despite the fact that they orchestrate their votes as a cabal, the sheer brilliance of Selma somehow forced them to nominate it for Best Picture despite themselves?)

Yeah, there are campaigns, and yeah, there are industry insiders and industry outsiders and so forth, but no, there isn't some secret organising body who decide who will and who won't get nominated so as to "make a point."
posted by yoink at 10:59 AM on January 18, 2015


Like I said, I was being uncharitable and cynical and obviously also a little hyperbolic. There was an awful lot more to that comment than the one sentence that bothered you. Have you seen Selma? What did you think?
posted by hydropsyche at 11:12 AM on January 18, 2015


American Sniper got six Oscar nominations while/for distorting the Iraq war history.

And it's a huge giant box office hit now. I don't get it.
posted by octothorpe at 12:55 PM on January 18, 2015


Saw a to of people going into it when we were at the cinema the other day. No idea.
posted by Artw at 1:44 PM on January 18, 2015


Noticing a bunch of conservative Christian friends on Facebook saying how much they loved Sniper.
posted by octothorpe at 2:22 PM on January 18, 2015 [1 favorite]


I'm pretty sure it ends with Eastwood jerking off a Bald Eagle whilst singing a patriotic song about Jesus.

...and I've backed myself into seeing the filthy thing. Fuck.
posted by Artw at 2:45 PM on January 18, 2015 [1 favorite]


American Sniper got an A+ rating on CinemaScore, which is like an exit poll for movies. So it's going to have massive word of mouth too.
posted by smackfu at 7:20 AM on January 19, 2015


I find his films to be beautiful but there is this horrible "get off my lawn"-ism that rests underneath and I struggle to put it into words but something about the tone of his films is very disturbing. Maybe it is because he has this particular vision of what America should be and the America I grew up in and see is often very different from this version he presents to the viewer.

American Sniper felt like a two hour advertisement. It was technically impressive, cinematography, sound, action sequences, etc. But that message underneath. Ugh. No thank you,
posted by Fizz at 12:48 PM on January 19, 2015 [2 favorites]




Just tangentially relevant to American Sniper :
Chicago Introduces New Citywide Gun-Sharing Stations

posted by jeffburdges at 8:14 PM on January 19, 2015






I forgot that American Sniper was about the guy who was bragging about shooting people during Hurricane Katrina.

No desire to support the mythologizing of this man.
posted by maxsparber at 8:04 AM on January 20, 2015 [2 favorites]










Just saw Whiplash - it kicks the shit out of all the other nominees I've seen so far, TBH.

(Birdman and, long sigh, American Sniper to go...)
posted by Artw at 10:24 PM on February 7, 2015


I thought Whiplash was a pretty great movie, and was surprised Miles Teller didn't get a best actor nomination. Surely since every single person who puts on disability drag gets a nomination, we could spare one for the guy who learned to play jazz drums.

I still think Selma was overall a better movie than Whiplash, but they definitely are two of my favorite movies that I've seen in 2015.
posted by hydropsyche at 5:24 AM on February 8, 2015 [1 favorite]


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