Gary Condit loses.
March 5, 2002 11:46 PM Subscribe
Gary Condit loses. To a former protege, no less. Maybe now he'll have more time on his hands to help with the search for Chandra.
Yawn. Rhymes with foregone.
posted by donkeyschlong at 2:20 AM on March 6, 2002
posted by donkeyschlong at 2:20 AM on March 6, 2002
He was running on the wrong ticket anyway. Perhaps some "conservative think tank" will pay him a handsome salary to continue bashing Clinton?
posted by nofundy at 4:43 AM on March 6, 2002
posted by nofundy at 4:43 AM on March 6, 2002
Good bye, good riddens, and stop taking up what otherwise should be a moderate Democrat's seat.
posted by brucec at 5:27 AM on March 6, 2002
posted by brucec at 5:27 AM on March 6, 2002
chandra is no mystery, she's either been sacrificed to satan or kidnapped by the government and used as an unwitting tool of NASA.
posted by quonsar at 5:33 AM on March 6, 2002
posted by quonsar at 5:33 AM on March 6, 2002
After everything that's happened, 19,798 people still voted for him. Amazing.
posted by rodii at 6:01 AM on March 6, 2002
posted by rodii at 6:01 AM on March 6, 2002
Yeah, I can't believe he got as many votes as he did.... scary. Not quite as scary as when he went on TV last week and said that he'd try to find Chandra if he was re-elected. Now that he lost, I guess he'll never tell us where he put her...
posted by spilon at 7:35 AM on March 6, 2002
posted by spilon at 7:35 AM on March 6, 2002
High paid lobbyist? I don't really think so. You mightr ecall his own colleagues publicly asked him not to run again.
If you needed a lobbyist, how much influence would you think he now wields in the halls of congress?
posted by BentPenguin at 8:00 AM on March 6, 2002
If you needed a lobbyist, how much influence would you think he now wields in the halls of congress?
posted by BentPenguin at 8:00 AM on March 6, 2002
You know, I have a question. For those who are conviced he did it - You guys must think he's some kind of super genius right?
I mean, he went to the park and threw away a watch (from another woman) while the cops were searching his place. It's pretty obvious they'd put a guy on you while you went out during a search of your place for evidence of murder, right? Any 10 year old could work that one out.
So, if he's so damned dumb, why haven't they caught him yet? I mean, the DC cops aren't all idiots. They've got all the latest gear and techniques. So where is she and where's the indictment?
This leads to the inescapable conclusion that he's smarter than Lex Luthor, right? He's managed to pull off a murder, hide the body, and not get caught despite all the advances of modern forensics. So the thing with the watch must have been the ploy of a criminal mastermind to make us think he's dumb.
But, if he's so smart, why did he run again? If he did it, and got away with it ('cuz he's so smart and all) then he knows that everyone has convicted him without the need of any pesky evidence. And, he knows he has no chance whatsoever.
But, wait! Maybe he didn't do it. Maybe he knows it was sort of skanky to cheat on his wife with young, impressionable interns, but is in fact innocent of the crime of murder? Maybe he's just another flawed human being doing the best that he can in this world. Maybe he even thinks that the mantra of "innocent until proven guilty" actually means anything. But that would mean he's as dumb as I think he is.
So, which is it? Criminal super genius, or just flawed dumb-ass?
posted by Irontom at 8:19 AM on March 6, 2002
I mean, he went to the park and threw away a watch (from another woman) while the cops were searching his place. It's pretty obvious they'd put a guy on you while you went out during a search of your place for evidence of murder, right? Any 10 year old could work that one out.
So, if he's so damned dumb, why haven't they caught him yet? I mean, the DC cops aren't all idiots. They've got all the latest gear and techniques. So where is she and where's the indictment?
This leads to the inescapable conclusion that he's smarter than Lex Luthor, right? He's managed to pull off a murder, hide the body, and not get caught despite all the advances of modern forensics. So the thing with the watch must have been the ploy of a criminal mastermind to make us think he's dumb.
But, if he's so smart, why did he run again? If he did it, and got away with it ('cuz he's so smart and all) then he knows that everyone has convicted him without the need of any pesky evidence. And, he knows he has no chance whatsoever.
But, wait! Maybe he didn't do it. Maybe he knows it was sort of skanky to cheat on his wife with young, impressionable interns, but is in fact innocent of the crime of murder? Maybe he's just another flawed human being doing the best that he can in this world. Maybe he even thinks that the mantra of "innocent until proven guilty" actually means anything. But that would mean he's as dumb as I think he is.
So, which is it? Criminal super genius, or just flawed dumb-ass?
posted by Irontom at 8:19 AM on March 6, 2002
i thought a passerby saw him throw the watch away, and not the police.
anyways, fuck. I live in modesto. Most people i know are just glad he didn't win...ani difranco played here last night, and she asked the crowd if we were tired of living in Condit Country. Boy howdy. Quite. Most of the decent people running for office lost yesterday to people running on special interest money from out of the area...which makes everything feel like a big futile mess. Ah well. Just Keep voting right?
posted by th3ph17 at 10:12 AM on March 6, 2002
anyways, fuck. I live in modesto. Most people i know are just glad he didn't win...ani difranco played here last night, and she asked the crowd if we were tired of living in Condit Country. Boy howdy. Quite. Most of the decent people running for office lost yesterday to people running on special interest money from out of the area...which makes everything feel like a big futile mess. Ah well. Just Keep voting right?
posted by th3ph17 at 10:12 AM on March 6, 2002
Um, perhaps he's neither. You're correct, Mr. Snarky, apparently there is no hard evidence that he's committed murder. But the entire country witnessed him being less-than-forthcoming when questioned about the nature of his relationship with her when she disappeared.
So he's having an affair with a young woman. She mysteriously vanishes and her friends, family are distraught. Police question Condit thoroughly and repeatedly. He vigorously denies any personal association with her until the third interview. That's selfish, dishonest, and downright criminal.
"Oh, CHANDRA Levy? Oh yes, she was one of my mistresses! I thought you were talking about A DIFFERENT Chandra!"
I mean, please. Did you see his sleazy, slippery interview with Connie Chung? A human being with an ounce of compassion would have the ability to answer these sorts of questions with ease. A girl is missing, a girl he admitted to having a close relationship with, and her family is in hysterics. COOPERATE for chrissakes, come clean, and the rest will sort itself out. Have some faith in the system you've been elected to serve under.
He may not have committed murder, but he's still guilty of being slime in my book. In the first degree. Good riddance, I say.
posted by Fofer at 10:17 AM on March 6, 2002
So he's having an affair with a young woman. She mysteriously vanishes and her friends, family are distraught. Police question Condit thoroughly and repeatedly. He vigorously denies any personal association with her until the third interview. That's selfish, dishonest, and downright criminal.
"Oh, CHANDRA Levy? Oh yes, she was one of my mistresses! I thought you were talking about A DIFFERENT Chandra!"
I mean, please. Did you see his sleazy, slippery interview with Connie Chung? A human being with an ounce of compassion would have the ability to answer these sorts of questions with ease. A girl is missing, a girl he admitted to having a close relationship with, and her family is in hysterics. COOPERATE for chrissakes, come clean, and the rest will sort itself out. Have some faith in the system you've been elected to serve under.
He may not have committed murder, but he's still guilty of being slime in my book. In the first degree. Good riddance, I say.
posted by Fofer at 10:17 AM on March 6, 2002
Of course he's slimy. I just want to hear people diss him for that, and not the presumption that he's guilty of murder.
On the other hand, the righteous indignation (even for just the slimy parts) just astounds me. Of course he denied any contact with her in the first interview - he's a politician who has been skanking around with a very young woman he is not married to. It's damage control, pure and simple. Practiced by everyone who ever got caught in the same situation, male or female, politician or no.
Now, I don't know about any timing of interviews or anything else. However, what I see is a man (probably innocent in my mind) doing his very best to try and keep his reputation, job and marriage intact. Lying to the cops about who you're fucking is a pretty minor offense, all other things being equal.
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Here's what really bugs me though: What makes Chandra Levy so damned important? Where's the outcry for everyone else who went missing that day? Where's the outcry for everyone who was murdered by a lover that day? The day before? The day after? And while we're at it, where's the public howls of rage on behalf of all the kids who were abused that day? What makes Chandra Levy so damned important?
posted by Irontom at 11:24 AM on March 6, 2002
On the other hand, the righteous indignation (even for just the slimy parts) just astounds me. Of course he denied any contact with her in the first interview - he's a politician who has been skanking around with a very young woman he is not married to. It's damage control, pure and simple. Practiced by everyone who ever got caught in the same situation, male or female, politician or no.
Now, I don't know about any timing of interviews or anything else. However, what I see is a man (probably innocent in my mind) doing his very best to try and keep his reputation, job and marriage intact. Lying to the cops about who you're fucking is a pretty minor offense, all other things being equal.
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Here's what really bugs me though: What makes Chandra Levy so damned important? Where's the outcry for everyone else who went missing that day? Where's the outcry for everyone who was murdered by a lover that day? The day before? The day after? And while we're at it, where's the public howls of rage on behalf of all the kids who were abused that day? What makes Chandra Levy so damned important?
posted by Irontom at 11:24 AM on March 6, 2002
Chandra is important for the single reason that she screwed a congressmen. That, sadly, elevates her above the "commoners" who didn't screw someone important but were still murdered anyway.
I think it's a riot that he said "I've been a welder before, I can be one again." The day Condit takes up welding is the day I am the Queen of England.
Frankly, I think it's a much bigger story that Riorden lost, making it so California doesn't have a chance of voting in a republican. And forcing me to vote for the scumbag, sell-his-soul-to-the-highest-bidder, no moral compass GREY DAVIS again. BLAH.
posted by aacheson at 11:29 AM on March 6, 2002
I think it's a riot that he said "I've been a welder before, I can be one again." The day Condit takes up welding is the day I am the Queen of England.
Frankly, I think it's a much bigger story that Riorden lost, making it so California doesn't have a chance of voting in a republican. And forcing me to vote for the scumbag, sell-his-soul-to-the-highest-bidder, no moral compass GREY DAVIS again. BLAH.
posted by aacheson at 11:29 AM on March 6, 2002
What makes Chandra Levy so damned important?
That they have somebody who's been acting extremely suspicious since day one? That that person has received extremely deferential treatment from the police because of his high placement in the government? Because he's still acting like he has something to hide after "everything he was trying to hide" has been revealed? Because this is someone he cared about at one point, and obstructed an effort to possibly save her life in order to further his own political career? Because he's threatened other people that know things that might be relevant to the case?
In short, because if he'd been straight with the police on day one, Chandra might be alive today. I don't think he's a murderer, but IMO, it's pretty obvious that he knows things he ain't gonna tell.
posted by swell at 11:50 AM on March 6, 2002
That they have somebody who's been acting extremely suspicious since day one? That that person has received extremely deferential treatment from the police because of his high placement in the government? Because he's still acting like he has something to hide after "everything he was trying to hide" has been revealed? Because this is someone he cared about at one point, and obstructed an effort to possibly save her life in order to further his own political career? Because he's threatened other people that know things that might be relevant to the case?
In short, because if he'd been straight with the police on day one, Chandra might be alive today. I don't think he's a murderer, but IMO, it's pretty obvious that he knows things he ain't gonna tell.
posted by swell at 11:50 AM on March 6, 2002
None of that justifies any of the hooplah regarding this thing - but I'll answer your points.
How are his actions suspicious? As I have said, if he's innocent, all of his actions make sense. They are the actions of a bozo who thinks she's taken off, but is probably okay, and doesnt want his career demolished. Then, at some point, he comes to the realization that she's not okay, and he gives just enough to try to keep his ass out of the sling. Of course he doesnt want to show any emotions about her on camera - he doesnt want to rub his wife's nose in all of this. He's nervous and comes off stiff, making people who don't know one damned thing about this case (beyond what Connie Chung and co. told them about it) think he's acting suspicous.
How is deferential treatment of a United States Congressman justification for all of this excitement? That's how the whole world works - and it's far less egregious in this country than in many others.
How is he still acting like he has something to hide? I havent heard anything about this in a while now - what has he done that makes you think he is still hiding things?
How did he obstruct the effort to "possibly save her life"? If he is innocent (the presumption of our legal system) then he lied about fucking her. How is that relevant to the investigation? Or, are we now insinuating that he had her tied up in some wharehouse somewhere and was torturing her to death over 60-70 days?
I don't think any of this can be construed as trying to further his own political career. Salvage, yeah. Further? I don't think so.
Did Congressman Condit threaten anyone? Or did some PI hired by his office threaten someone? I sincerely don't know - all I have is the watercooler gossip.
If he had been straight from day one, we would still be exactly where we are today. The last time she was seen alive was May 1st. The first time that Condit was asked about an affair with her was May 5th. If she was dead, and I think she was, then nothing he said was going to change that, whether he did it or not.
It just seems so weird to me that everyone is on his case because he lied about fucking someone other than his wife. Of course he lied about it. Everyone lies about sex - it's reflexive. Especially when the sex is out of bounds.
Look, I am not saying he's a great guy. I'm just saying that if you look at his behavior from the standpoint of him being innocent, it all makes perfect sense. And, any death is a tragedy. I just wish we didnt make some deaths into circuses to sell advertising dollars.
posted by Irontom at 9:20 AM on March 7, 2002
How are his actions suspicious? As I have said, if he's innocent, all of his actions make sense. They are the actions of a bozo who thinks she's taken off, but is probably okay, and doesnt want his career demolished. Then, at some point, he comes to the realization that she's not okay, and he gives just enough to try to keep his ass out of the sling. Of course he doesnt want to show any emotions about her on camera - he doesnt want to rub his wife's nose in all of this. He's nervous and comes off stiff, making people who don't know one damned thing about this case (beyond what Connie Chung and co. told them about it) think he's acting suspicous.
How is deferential treatment of a United States Congressman justification for all of this excitement? That's how the whole world works - and it's far less egregious in this country than in many others.
How is he still acting like he has something to hide? I havent heard anything about this in a while now - what has he done that makes you think he is still hiding things?
How did he obstruct the effort to "possibly save her life"? If he is innocent (the presumption of our legal system) then he lied about fucking her. How is that relevant to the investigation? Or, are we now insinuating that he had her tied up in some wharehouse somewhere and was torturing her to death over 60-70 days?
I don't think any of this can be construed as trying to further his own political career. Salvage, yeah. Further? I don't think so.
Did Congressman Condit threaten anyone? Or did some PI hired by his office threaten someone? I sincerely don't know - all I have is the watercooler gossip.
If he had been straight from day one, we would still be exactly where we are today. The last time she was seen alive was May 1st. The first time that Condit was asked about an affair with her was May 5th. If she was dead, and I think she was, then nothing he said was going to change that, whether he did it or not.
It just seems so weird to me that everyone is on his case because he lied about fucking someone other than his wife. Of course he lied about it. Everyone lies about sex - it's reflexive. Especially when the sex is out of bounds.
Look, I am not saying he's a great guy. I'm just saying that if you look at his behavior from the standpoint of him being innocent, it all makes perfect sense. And, any death is a tragedy. I just wish we didnt make some deaths into circuses to sell advertising dollars.
posted by Irontom at 9:20 AM on March 7, 2002
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He'll just get a high paying lobbyist gig like Newt and Bob Livingston did.
posted by BarneyFifesBullet at 12:37 AM on March 6, 2002