New Crews New Villians New Heroes New Worlds
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A teaser trailer (and logo first look) for the upcoming Star Trek TV reboot. [previously] [slYouTubeWillLeaveYouWantingMore]
posted by sparklemotion (170 comments total) 8 users marked this as a favorite
 
New things? What a terrifyingly disconcerting idea.
posted by dng at 3:59 PM on May 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


"New Villains"

If there's anything that TNG taught me, it's that there are no villains, just lots of misunderstood folks floating round in space.
posted by Emma May Smith at 4:00 PM on May 18, 2016 [57 favorites]


I'm so excited about this and so, so terribly anxious about being disappointed.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 4:02 PM on May 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


The series will introduce new characters to the Star Trek franchise and will not be related to the 2016 film Star Trek Beyond.

So, there's some hope this won't be a dumpster fire full of shit.
posted by MikeKD at 4:03 PM on May 18, 2016 [35 favorites]


New villains!
The Orgasmanians. Ren-Wren and the bleets pods. Kormans and the dreaded ash pit confederation.
posted by clavdivs at 4:04 PM on May 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


If there's anything that TNG taught me, it's that there are no villains, just lots of misunderstood folks floating round in space.

The descendants of the Duras sisters invite you to testify on their behalf at their trial.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 4:04 PM on May 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


"New Crews" - Anthology Series confirmed!
posted by adrianhon at 4:04 PM on May 18, 2016


Well that was not much.
posted by octothorpe at 4:05 PM on May 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Why did they slice the swoosh like that? The edges don't line up. Is that intended?
posted by polymodus at 4:11 PM on May 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


New CGI!
posted by Thorzdad at 4:11 PM on May 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Heroes and villains are what's wrong with Star Trek. I want strange new worlds, new life and new civilizations.

I'm afraid this will boredly go where every show has gone before.
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 4:14 PM on May 18, 2016 [51 favorites]


Oh good, polymodus, it's not just me.

The one thing I expect, with Bryan Fuller in charge, is that it's going to be dark. Also, they're filming here in Toronto! I can't imagine there'll be all that much location shooting, but opportunities for autographs at studio doors seem plausible.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 4:15 PM on May 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Someone has been watching too many riotously colorful Eve Online videos on YouTube.

STAR SYSTEMS DO NOT LOOK LIKE THAT

Let's hope that cheap-looking promo was ginned up by someone at the network rather than anyone actually associated with the production.

So they're going with the anthology approach a la True Detective, eh?
posted by killdevil at 4:15 PM on May 18, 2016


Starring William Shatner as William Shatner's Grandfather.
posted by urbanwhaleshark at 4:16 PM on May 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


The type is carved from material left over from the last few episodes of Basement Rec Room Remodel Rescue.
posted by stevil at 4:17 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"'New Crews' - Anthology Series confirmed!"

Wouldn't that be great? I sort of think this is unlikely, though, if their hopes are for this to be a high-profile draw to CBS All Access. Seems like an anthology would have high appeal to dedicated fans, but not as much appeal to other kinds of viewers who will expect something more like a set of series characters to become invested in -- especially a captain. Right?
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 4:20 PM on May 18, 2016


I'm mikelieman, and I approve this message...
posted by mikelieman at 4:21 PM on May 18, 2016


I'm nerding out over here aaaaaaa
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 4:23 PM on May 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


STAR|TREK
posted by Artw at 4:23 PM on May 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


NEW FOREHEAD APPLIANCES
posted by turbid dahlia at 4:24 PM on May 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


But no new music
posted by dng at 4:26 PM on May 18, 2016


STAR SYSTEMS DO NOT LOOK LIKE THAT


JJ Abrams IS vaguely attached to this project.
posted by Artw at 4:26 PM on May 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


New Heroes? New Villains? As has been said above, Star Trek at its best teaches us that labels like this are pretty meaningless. It's worth quoting this comment from a thread on Star Trek: Beyond a few months ago:

I wish people would understand that for many of us complaining about these movies, it's not about fear of change and it's not because we can't enjoy bad movies or fun action-packed spectacles. It's because of the particular direction of this change, and the fact that there are hundreds of dumb action-packed spectacles already. Star Trek played a unique role in SF that has not been replaced by other narratives, much less augmented by reboots of other franchises that change them in the Star Trek direction. Perhaps more importantly, these changes are not just isolated events -- they are part of a sea-change that has occurred in a vast amount of mainstream film since the 70s, with very little counter-current in the other direction. Star Trek was optimistic science-utopianism, interested in exploration, mutual understanding, multicultural respect and non-interference, camaraderie, cool ideas and philosophy, and a variety of other progressive ideals as embodied in the first show and its sequel (TNG). Like so many other SF narratives (including Star Wars, in its way), what began as a flawed but genuinely progressive world has been step-by-step corrupted, rebooted, and sequelled into a fundamentally conservative mold, where violence solves most problems, characters are simplistic and relatively unchanging, science is merely a guise for plot, and the main argument in favor generally takes the apolitical form of "sit back, turn off your brain, and enjoy it." Again -- this isn't something unique to Star Trek, but in what has happened to Star Trek the general cultural shift to the right in the US and its premiere art-form is acutely evident. I feel some affection for Kirk, Roddenberry, and the rest, but what's really lamentable here is how yet another icon of my youth -- not just a piece of nostalgia, but a moral anchor, like Sesame Street -- has been not just corrupted, but corrupted in such a way that most people don't even notice or mind the damage that is being done and the broader cultural effects these bastardizations continue to have.

I realize CBS is flailing against irrelevance and wants to grab some sweet 18-34 demo for their (utterly doomed) streaming service, but making Star Trek fast, glib and shiny -- as would seem to be suggested, tonally, by this footage -- utterly misses the point.
posted by killdevil at 4:26 PM on May 18, 2016 [68 favorites]


NEW BRANDED ENTERTAINMENT PRODUCT • NEW SUBSCRIPTION STREAMING SERVICE • NEW PROFITABILITY 🌠
posted by RogerB at 4:28 PM on May 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


It was like a powerpoint presentation at starfleet academy. New things! Guaranteed outreach! Core nerd fanbase that will like any hot garbage, even Scott Bakula!
posted by The River Ivel at 4:31 PM on May 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


NEW INFORMATION
posted by Artw at 4:32 PM on May 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


it's Bryan fuller so we got a good chance of GAYS IN SPACE

JUST GIVE ME SPACE GAYS

GAYS AMONG THE STARS

SET PHASERS TO FABULOUS

SPAAAAACE GAYS
posted by The Whelk at 4:36 PM on May 18, 2016 [59 favorites]


NEW FONT AND KERNING
posted by Fizz at 4:36 PM on May 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


At the end it says "Coming to CBS AND CBS AllAccess, so does that mean they've decided to put it on broadcast after originally saying it was only going to be on the streaming service? 'Cause I ain't payin' $8 a month just for a Trek rehashboot.
posted by briank at 4:38 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Will Wheaton as Wesley Crusher's crazy uncle in the transporter malfunction.
posted by y2karl at 4:39 PM on May 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


The busted-up neon planets look like they belong in the latest Ratchet And Clank game, and "heroes and villains" seems regressively reductive. It is of course silly to pass judgement based on so little information, but on the other hand why release this if not to give an idea of what they're gonna do and generate a first impression? Seems like it ought to be possible to make a four-second teaser without ALREADY being off-base...
posted by Sing Or Swim at 4:39 PM on May 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Picard is disappointed
posted by killdevil at 4:40 PM on May 18, 2016


SPOILER: Poochie died on his way back to his home planet.
posted by Smart Dalek at 4:41 PM on May 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


Well, it specifically says premiering on CBS, so I think they're doing a first hit is free thing, which I seem to recall being mentioned in previous items about the new show.
posted by ckape at 4:41 PM on May 18, 2016


Why are they releasing this now? Just to keep the excitement going.

"The one thing I expect, with Bryan Fuller in charge, is that it's going to be dark."

I'm not sure if that's necessarily the case. His projects all involve a lot of dark humour, but they're often visually beautiful and really funny. Hopefully, this Star Trek will be the Trekiest Trek since DS9, since Fuller knows really well what makes the concept work.
posted by Kevin Street at 4:46 PM on May 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Terok Lite
posted by Artw at 4:51 PM on May 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


At last, the Tekwar adaptation we deserve!
posted by Bromius at 4:55 PM on May 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


The Original Series:
  • Whatever costumes were lying around in central casting
  • Vasquez rocks
  • Red shirts
  • First contact
The Next Generation:
  • Rubber foreheads
  • Planets with suspiciously stairlike rock formations
  • Yellow shirts
  • Diplomacy
New! New! New! New!:
  • Motion Capture
  • So much green screen
  • Blue shirts
  • Punching
posted by ckape at 4:55 PM on May 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


That trailer was ominous. Fail.

It's not aboot the zippy planets, pinhead!

Wait, Poochie was from another planet?!
posted by petebest at 5:03 PM on May 18, 2016


Who the hell let the helmsman do cocaine? Out of the asteroid field NOW, mister!
posted by Mogur at 5:06 PM on May 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Just buy Axanar, already.
posted by lumpenprole at 5:07 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


NEW FONT
...with he ugliest "R" in the Alpha Quadrant.

Also NOT a good sign: they listed "New Villains" BEFORE "New Heroes"

New Tribbles?

Would MeFi's Own JScalzi please tell FX to hurry up with the Redshirts series before this makes all Trek-like satire redundant?
posted by oneswellfoop at 5:07 PM on May 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


If there's one thing that CBS knows, it's nerds.
*COUGH*BigBangShitfest*COUGH*
posted by ColdChef at 5:08 PM on May 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


will not be related to the 2016 film Star Trek Beyond.

(Except for how our trailer imagery is absolutely evocative of the end credits for the reboot movies.)
posted by scaryblackdeath at 5:14 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


In other CBS rebooting beloved shows news, MacGyver will be Fridays at 8.
posted by ckape at 5:19 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Kind of amazed at how you can tell literally nothing about the show from this whatsoever and nerds still find a way to be unhappy about it.
posted by Artw at 5:23 PM on May 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


I really want it to be good. I miss having a Star Trek to watch.
posted by emjaybee at 5:25 PM on May 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


JESUS T. KIRK DON'T WE HAVE ENOUGH BOOTS ALREADY WHAT ARE WE A MILLIPEDE?
posted by The Underpants Monster at 5:27 PM on May 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


New villains? I was tired of those reptilian and scaly warlike people, with their ridiculous reality tv show and disdain for humanity. I'm tired of the Cardassians too.
posted by adept256 at 5:32 PM on May 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I was also kind if wierded out by the talk of villains and heroes.

Also, now that FFFM said he's afraid it's going to be dark, I'm thinking that trailer did look dark. Please CBS, don't cheapo-out on the lightbulb budget. And remember, star trek is a thinking show, not an action show.
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 5:36 PM on May 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Nah nah guys it's Stah Thek, we're ok.
posted by St. Peepsburg at 5:38 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just buy Axanar, already.

LOL, no.
posted by Artw at 5:41 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Please CBS, don't cheapo-out on the lightbulb budget.

This bothers me about all sci-fi. You're in a space-ship with anti-gravity, and that's just the beginning of where you start breaking the laws of physics. You're going faster than light, is that why it's so dim in here?
posted by adept256 at 5:43 PM on May 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


The darkest Star Trek was DS9, where they were not traveling faster than the speed of light. I never watched it because it was too dark.
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 5:45 PM on May 18, 2016


I'm not too concerned about the lightbulb budget. If the show is persuasive enough, it won't have any trouble making 4 lights seem like 5.
posted by ckape at 5:52 PM on May 18, 2016 [22 favorites]


briank: At the end it says "Coming to CBS AND CBS AllAccess, so does that mean they've decided to put it on broadcast...

Nope, sadly. The plan, as previously disclosed, is to broadcast the premier on CBS over-the-air and subsequent episodes are solely on CBS All Access.
posted by fireoyster at 5:52 PM on May 18, 2016


I will take the time to recommend Dark Matter. Space mercenaries lose their memories and need each other to survive, but who do they trust? Find out July 15!
posted by adept256 at 5:52 PM on May 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


On top of being a trekkie nerd, I'm a type and design nerd, so I have plenty to be unhappy about. That new logo type is just some poorly tarted-up version of Horizon, the original show's typeface. why some people operate under the belief that pointy awkward glyphs=futuristic, I'll never know. Also, the brushed metal logo with the missing sliver looks stupid, but I guess they rolled with that visual cliche since they couldn't figure out how to swooshify the old symbol. Let's just say I'm not overwhelmed with optimism about this.

And while I'm thinking about it, damn JJ Abrams to the deepest darkest hell where no light can escape, not even his fucking inane overused 1995 Photoshop lens flares.

Yes, I'm STILL mad. Wrathful, you might say.
posted by KHAAAN! at 5:53 PM on May 18, 2016 [22 favorites]


I want a new Star Trek so badly I've been watching Enterprise on Netflx and I'm kinda liking it. Even Season 1.
posted by Servo5678 at 5:53 PM on May 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


You're going faster than light, is that why it's so dim in here?

Doesn't Abrams make everything overly bright though? That first Star Trek movie he did looked like it was a laundry detergent commercial and had so many fake lens flares. I think I prefer "dim" to that stuff. How about moderately lit for someone with middle-aged eyes? As for Fuller being dark (the other kind I'm assuming) I think I have a different definition of dark. FWIW, I'm fine with new Trek not being my kind of dark or what passes for dark on American TV.

Speaking of dark... Nthing Dark Matter which I didn't think I'd like but ended up really enjoying. I didn't mind it's sister series Killjoys either (once it got going that is). Both made in Canada if anyone cares about that kind of thing (other than me).
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:01 PM on May 18, 2016


Pleasedon'tfuckituppleasedon'tfuckituppleasedon'tfuckitup.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 6:02 PM on May 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I've been watching Enterprise on Netflx and I'm kinda liking it

Servo5678, we're all friends here and we can help you get through this difficult time.
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:03 PM on May 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


The plan, as previously disclosed, is to broadcast the premier on CBS over-the-air and subsequent episodes are solely on CBS All Access.
posted by fireoyster at 8:52 PM on May 18


Hmmm. Tech-savvy, passionate audience for a show with burdensome restrictions to access.

Will this be the most torrented show of all time?

I'd wager yes. (Assuming it's any good at all.)
posted by oddman at 6:07 PM on May 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


A lot of people think of space as being large, but really most celestial bodies are about the same size, and rarely more than 30 feet apart. I'm glad the new Star Trek managed to get that part right.
posted by dephlogisticated at 6:08 PM on May 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


I guess I don't have to do the earnest protest again, but I will say, I do rather like how they've turned the insignia into a kind of giant golden Borg. Bodes well for the future of Starfleet!
posted by chortly at 6:09 PM on May 18, 2016


Will this be the most torrented show of all time?

Picard looks down upon Westeros and wonders if he should intervene. Meanwhile Riker flirts with Khaleesi.
posted by adept256 at 6:12 PM on May 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Jeez, I got chills watching that. It once meant so much - it was all there was that was taking science fiction at all seriously - indeed, a long time ago. Fingers crossed...
posted by emmet at 6:13 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I want a new Star Trek so badly I've been watching Enterprise on Netflx and I'm kinda liking it.

yeah, it kind of picks up when...

Even Season 1.

...oh.
posted by Artw at 6:22 PM on May 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


GAYS AMONG THE STARS

Fly Me To The Moon,
Let me gays among the stars...
posted by Greg_Ace at 6:27 PM on May 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


On a submarine or aircraft control center or wherever, you want dim light so you can easily see the glowing screens, but in the future they should have display technologies that can be read in full daylight. So maybe they'd have something like this in the biggest compartments, simulating the sun and increasing crew morale. Maybe it could gradually dim as the shift ended, to simulate the sun going down. That might increase the chance of some tired ensign making a drowsy error, though.
posted by Kevin Street at 6:41 PM on May 18, 2016


Gays among the stars? I fell in love with a starship trooper.

Let's not forget Star Trek has done much for acceptance. And disco!
posted by adept256 at 6:45 PM on May 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Night shift does have a dimmed environment, for reasons I'm not clear on. I think it comes up in Data's Day on TNG. Data relieves Riker or someone and the computer raises the lights for the day shift.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 6:46 PM on May 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Every shift should have bright light at first, then it would gradually dim close to the end, and brighten again when the new shift takes over. That way it wouldn't screw up anyone's circadian rhythms. Day shift and "night shift" would both be working in optimal environments.

Why do aliens never attack at night?
posted by Kevin Street at 6:55 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bring back Diane Duane's idea of a Horta lieutenant. Naraht was such a great character.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 6:56 PM on May 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Said a spokesperson: "When we take a look at the televisual landscape these past few years, what we've noticed and what our viewers have noticed is a real dearth of crazy forehead shows. They heyday of crazy alien foreheads was really the late 90s, early aughties, what with your Star Treks, your Babylons, all those shows we grew up with and loved. And the other thing is, we know there's a big demand for crazy foreheads on screens across America, and these new streaming content providers like Netflix and Amazon, they haven't picked up on it. They haven't capitalized on the crazy forehead market. So if we want to make television great again, we've got strike while the iron is hot. What better way to hit the iron with the thing than by bringing back probably the pre-eminent, the most much-loved crazy forehead franchise, Star Trak, I mean Trek? And that's why we've bet the house on this bad boy, we are going to get to the fore of the incoming tidal wave of shows like this, and we are going to blow you away!"
posted by turbid dahlia at 6:56 PM on May 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


New Villains! Old Heroes!

wait, what?
posted by boo_radley at 7:19 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Emma May Smith: ""New Villains"

If there's anything that TNG taught me, it's that there are no villains, just lots of misunderstood folks floating round in space.
"

Harcout Fenton Mudd: Why thank you, laddybuck!
posted by Splunge at 7:21 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


New Villains!

Jim Parsons as Spock 2.0. He thinks he's celebrating culture, but doesn't understand that he's mocking it.
posted by adept256 at 7:28 PM on May 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Since Fuller has already been mentioned, I feel free to plug the DS9 rewatch series on FanFare, in which yours truly recently wrote up "The Darkness and the Light"[spoilers, of course], Fuller's first script for the franchise. It both cites and subverts the serial killer paradigm, with the role of Final Girl being played by a very pregnant Kira Nerys. (I know that sounds bad, but trust me--this is Major Kira we're talking about, and she does not have time for this creep's bullshit.)
posted by Halloween Jack at 7:30 PM on May 18, 2016


For about 2.5 seconds of the trailer, as the earth floated into view, I had this moment of awesomeness where I could just taste the amazing coolness of a series that took moments to simply shut the fuck up and let the awesomeness of a starship or a planetary body simply fill the screen without any kind of idiotic CGI explosion, cleavage or monkey antics on the screen. Kubrick's sense of style combined with visual depictions of the incredible beauty of this universe. 3.5 seconds...cut to explosions. I am not optimistic. If I were a betting organism, I'd lay odds 5-3 it will be a horrible mashup of TOS and TNG.
posted by diode at 7:33 PM on May 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Any time you can bluff me, Doctor -- !
 
posted by Herodios at 7:40 PM on May 18, 2016


Please no time travel episodes, Please no time travel episodes, Please no time travel episodes, Please no time travel episodes, Please no time travel episodes, Please no time travel episodes.
posted by Beholder at 7:45 PM on May 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Please more time travel episodes, Please more time travel episodes, Please more time travel episodes...

wbit and ftfy
posted by turbid dahlia at 7:46 PM on May 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


subsequent episodes are solely on CBS All Access.

So like six people are going to see this.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:46 PM on May 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


3.5 seconds...cut to explosions.

Plus, it had all the visual drama and great sound editing that you'd see in the Regal Cinema pre-show roller coaster.
posted by peeedro at 7:48 PM on May 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


A new Star Trek: And a new wholly-accurate opportunity for us to see what perfectly acceptable hairdos people think will be considered normal hundreds of years from now.

(Not to be confused with those shows from mere decades ago where everyone's hair is questionable and weird. Those shows were not the True Futurist Gospel.)
posted by belarius at 7:51 PM on May 18, 2016


So, there's some hope this won't be a dumpster fire full of shit.

So they say 40 is the new 30 but I missed that some is the new extremely little. I say this as a DS9 fanatic.

Let's hope that cheap-looking promo was ginned up by someone at the network rather than anyone actually associated with the production.

That's some impressive crystal balling:

Unfortunately the scripts were ginned up by someone at the network rather than anyone actually associated with the production.
posted by juiceCake at 7:51 PM on May 18, 2016


subsequent episodes are solely on CBS All Access.
So like six people are going to see this.

...legally. As oddman suggested, this could be the most torrented series of all time.
posted by oneswellfoop at 7:57 PM on May 18, 2016


Not to be confused with those shows from mere decades ago where everyone's hair is questionable and weird.

If I'm still around a couple of decades from now, I'm gonna laugh right in your face when your kids call the hairstyles in your favorite/formative TV shows "questionable and weird".
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:22 PM on May 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


CBS is currently sitting on top of the least monetized TV and film archive of all time.

The primary demographic of a CBS viewer is over 60

Most of the stuff in the CBS archive would appeal to someone who was a kid in the 60s.

New Trek is the carrot to get people to buy into CBS All Access, the greatest single boomer nostgslia bomb of all time.

I think they know what they're doing.
posted by The Whelk at 8:26 PM on May 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm tired of the Cardassians too.

Amen, no matter how you spell it, forehead and neck aliens or not.
posted by y2karl at 8:38 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nothing wrong with the Cardassians. Caitlyn is a hero and I like Chloe also.
posted by Justinian at 8:39 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


GAYS AMONG THE STARS

From a 1995 interview with Patrick Stewart in The Advocate:
You've frequently mentioned being moved by Whoopi Goldberg's comment about watching the original series with Lieutenant Uhura, who was a black woman, and she could think, Well, one of us made it. How do you think gay people feel when we turn on the show and think, Wow, it's the 24th century, but none of us made it into the 24th century.
I think gay people would probably feel dismayed. As I recall, there was one episode that very obliquely dealt with something other than conventional heterosexual life. Something with the planet of hermaphrodites...

Where they all looked like lesbians.
Now, that would really upset the producers! But you're right, it was singularly absent from the show. Given what growth and advancement have been made in the past 20 years - even in the most rigid male bastions like the military—one would have thought that Star Trek would be the ideal environment for projecting oneself 400 years forward and saying, "All right, this has happened in 20 years; what might we have achieved in 400 years?" Still, it's not over. As we speak, there are people feverishly writing the script for our next movie. And it would be very appropriate right now if this issue of an alternative sexuality could find a place in it.

Some people have thought Q was gay.
I did. Again, I would say this was an impression given you entirely by the quality of the performances rather than by anything that was deliberately placed in the script. [Laughs] John [de Lancey], whose work was brilliant on the show, had a kind of boldness about him, a way of looking at Picard that was provocative. And yes, there was the scene in the bed - although we didn't make that up. That was written, so we've got to commend the writers for that.

Then, of course, there's the theory, which I always found interesting, that Q is simply the other aspect of Picard. That notion was always very attractive to me.

If Q is the freed nature of Picard, and Q might be gay, is there some possibility Picard is repressing homoerotic parts of himself?
It is certainly possible. Picard's had plenty of affairs and relationships.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 8:58 PM on May 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


LeVar Burton says the New Villains will be all of America's favorite TV dads.

what do you mean this isn't the roots thread
posted by hyperbolic at 9:43 PM on May 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Anthology episode suggestions:

Redshirt Bootcamp
Engineering Party Sausagefest on Gamma V
Planet of the Lambada
Straight-laced Captain encounters Firefly crew..is robbed blind.
Encounter with the Culture
An entire season that is adapted from the Patrick O'Brien naval adventures
A Very Special Episode about Klingon intra-species affairs
Badger from Breaking Bad's Star Trek Script
Vulcan Ninja Warrior
Early Federation Drop Ship (Pre-teleporter and Prime Directive) invasions. Graphic Violence.
Holodeck Game of Thrones cross over

I have got to stop smoking weed on work nights.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 9:49 PM on May 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


What is the deal with shitty trailers that are all CGI or footage from previous productions coming out way too early? I saw a trailer for Trainspotting 2 made to promote the fact that shooting started this week. I literally know nothing about the movie except 1. same cast 2. Danny Boyle directed Slumdog Millionaire.

I mean, fer chrissake, the first trailer for Team Fortress 2 told me more about the game that came out a year later than these crappy things do.
posted by infinitewindow at 10:08 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Redshirt Bootcamp

Both TNG and VOY have done eps where someone from the bridge crew hangs out with the lower-decks crew to mentor them or something. We're still wondering what happened to Sito Jaxa.

Engineering Party Sausagefest on Gamma V

Scotty pretty much admitted to being a one-man sausage party when he said that his idea of a good time on shore leave was reading engineering journals.

Planet of the Lambada

Risa

Straight-laced Captain encounters Firefly crew..is robbed blind.

Ha ha, fuck you, the Federation doesn't use money. Now watch while the Reavers' harpoons (fucking harpoons!) bounce off our shields and tell Whedon to hire a halfway-decent worldbuilder for your little space western.

Encounter with the Culture


My headcanon is that this was covered in the very first (filmed) regular episode, "The Corbomite Maneuver", with Balok (of the "First Federation") being part of Special Circumstances.

An entire season that is adapted from the Patrick O'Brien naval adventures


Season? How about an entire franchise?

A Very Special Episode about Klingon intra-species affairs


You mean inter-species affairs? Between K'Ehleyr, Troi, and Dax, Worf probably got laid more often than anyone else in the franchise, possibly excepting Kirk. Quark used to be married to a Klingon.

Badger from Breaking Bad's Star Trek Script

Yes, please.

Vulcan Ninja Warrior

Spock managed a mind meld from a distance just by frowning extra hard; becoming a ninja would be a downgrade.

Early Federation Drop Ship (Pre-teleporter and Prime Directive) invasions. Graphic Violence.

Enterprise.

Holodeck Game of Thrones cross over


Did it, basically.

posted by Halloween Jack at 10:27 PM on May 18, 2016


That looked like it was directed by the same guy who did the bit they show in theaters reminding you to turn off your cellphone and buy some fucking popcorn already.
posted by elwoodwiles at 10:49 PM on May 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


There were plenty of heroes and villains in the original series. Hell, the pilot episode featured quite possibly the creepiest Trek villains of all.

The key is that there weren't ONLY heroes and villains. There were awesome characters and their stories, the most important thing of all.
posted by Celsius1414 at 10:59 PM on May 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


An entire season that is adapted from the Patrick O'Brien naval adventures

Season? How about an entire franchise?


Oh hell yes.

Meanwhile, over on kickstarter, there's a project featuring actors from Trek and the original Battlestar Galactica and more! That looks so low-budget and terrible it gave me that feeling where you can't look because it's too painful to see the people's humiliation.
posted by not that girl at 11:14 PM on May 18, 2016


I am not very optimistic about this new Trek considering it has been all downhill since DS9 ended but who knows. Person of Interest managing to make it for as long as it did gives me some glimmer of hope that this will actually be something worth watching rather than another generic action show. Of course someone finding a way to package the NCIS formula in a Trek skin would not totally shock me.

I can not wrap my head around Macgyver without Richard Dean Anderson or the very, very 80s atmosphere of the show.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 11:46 PM on May 18, 2016


Le Var Burton says that the New Villains will be all of America's favorite TV Dads.

Well, that lets Deep Space Nine off the hook.
posted by y2karl at 12:22 AM on May 19, 2016


But what about the Holodeck Big Bang Theory Cosplay Con The Trouble With Furries crossover episode ?
posted by y2karl at 12:28 AM on May 19, 2016


I interpreted "new villains. New heroes." as a message that they won't just reboot Wrath of Khan again.
posted by olinerd at 2:47 AM on May 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


STAR TREK: STARS WILL GET TREKED
posted by Smart Dalek at 3:09 AM on May 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey, Nathan Fillion has some time on his hands, now... (!)
posted by bryon at 3:14 AM on May 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh please no fracking Holodeck episodes.
posted by octothorpe at 3:17 AM on May 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am not very optimistic about this new Trek considering it has been all downhill since DS9 ended 1968.
 
posted by Herodios at 4:54 AM on May 19, 2016


I am not very optimistic about this new Trek considering it has been all downhill since DS9 ended 1968 1982.
posted by octothorpe at 4:57 AM on May 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Perhaps a time travel episode where they inadvertently kill the inventor of the holodeck?
posted by leotrotsky at 5:05 AM on May 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


What is the deal with shitty trailers that are all CGI or footage from previous productions coming out way too early?

Kind of amazed at how you can tell literally nothing about the show from this whatsoever and nerds still find a way to be unhappy about it.

Yeah, I get that everybody working in a visual medium feels the need to promote their work with something in the same medium... But maybe save it until you have some actual goddamned footage to show. I wouldn't read a whole lot into anything we saw. The text was undoubtedly lifted from a memo that one suit wrote to another suit at some point, and you can't expect such a thing to bear any resemblance to reality except by coincidence.

Other than that, everything killdevil quoted.
posted by tobascodagama at 5:26 AM on May 19, 2016


The trailer reminds me a lot of an early trade-publication ad for Deep Space Nine that Paramount produced the same month they announced that they were going forward with the show.

Not a single actor had been cast, not a single set had been built, and they took out a full page ad in Variety with the title "DEEP SPACE NINE" rendered in the TNG title font, superimposed over a old matte painting of a Federation starbase, with some marketing boilerplate about "boldly going to strange new worlds", etc. So I wouldn't take anything seen in this trailer as an indication of what the actual show will look or feel like.
posted by Strange Interlude at 6:15 AM on May 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


The one thing I expect, with Bryan Fuller in charge, is that it's going to be dark.
Lot of short memories, I guess. When Hannibal was announced, most people were pointing at the progression of twee-ocity from Dead Like Me to Wonderfalls to Pushing Daisies as proof he couldn't do anything as dark as Hannibal.
What is the deal with shitty trailers that are all CGI or footage from previous productions coming out way too early?

Kind of amazed at how you can tell literally nothing about the show from this whatsoever and nerds still find a way to be unhappy about it.

Yeah, I get that everybody working in a visual medium feels the need to promote their work with something in the same medium... But maybe save it until you have some actual goddamned footage to show.
Yeah, there's really nothing to see here. It's a promo put together for CBS's upfront presentation to advertisers. The only thing to take away from this is that the show is coming out next year.
posted by cnelson at 7:00 AM on May 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fuller write an episode that killed Neelix*, so it's not all dark!

* unfortunately he came back
posted by Artw at 7:06 AM on May 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


No one wants to see the new ST franchise entry turn into another critically-acclaimed Bryan Fuller show that is the best thing on TV that no one watches. CBS does not want another Firefly or Hannibal. And CBS probably has a bunch of past research indicating that too-early promos are correlated with high initial ratings of ST properties.

But seriously, right now this is basically a promo for Star Trek: Jabberwocky.
posted by infinitewindow at 7:25 AM on May 19, 2016


Well, whatever they do, I really really really hope that they do it in long format, with no reset button at the end of every episode.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 7:26 AM on May 19, 2016


Yeah, this show hasn't even begun to be worked on really - this is just a hype-building promo, I wouldn't expect that it says anything about what the show will be like.

Personally, I'm pretty optimistic about this show, and it's not just because I trust Bryan Fuller from other projects - it's because he is clearly a huge Trekkie himself, and his ideas about the show seem to line up with mine (this interview is from like 8 years ago, so this is not a new idea for him):

“I would love to do another ’Star Trek’ series,” Fuller said. “One where you could go back to the spirit and color of the original ’Star Trek,’ because somehow, it got cold over the years. I love ‘Next Generation,’ but it’s a little cooler and calmer than the ones from the ‘60s, which were so dynamic and passionate.”

Fuller is such a fan that the way he got into the biz was by ditching a day job — where he lied and said his grandmother had just died — so that he could get a chance to write a script for “Deep Space Nine” (he also ended up writing for “Voyager”). “’Deep Space Nine’ was the best of the modern ones,” Fuller said, “because it was so emotionally complicated. ‘Enterprise’ was the most sterile of all of them, when it should have been the most fun.”

Fuller says he would want to break the mold and have more fun with the series — you wouldn’t have to be on the same ship or have the same characters as the original ’Star Trek,’ but you could be in the same timeline and universe. From what Fuller’s seen so far of J.J. Abrams’ version, he’s impressed — “boy oh boy!” he gushed about the costumes – but he thinks Kirk, Spock, and McCoy should stay in the movies for now.

“’Star Trek’ has to recreate itself,” Fuller said. “Otherwise, all the characters start to feel the same. You always have a captain, a doctor, a security officer, and you have the same arguments based on those perspectives. It starts to feel too familiar. So all those paradigms where it takes place on a starship have to be shaken up.”


I'm not super conversant on Voyager, but he wrote like 20 episodes for it (and 2 for DS9). There's a list here if you want to check 'em over and see if any stick out as particularly good or bad. For DS9 he wrote 'The Darkness and the Light' and 'Empok Nor,' both of which I remember liking.
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:30 AM on May 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Perhaps a time travel episode where they inadvertently kill the inventor of the holodeck?

I recommend that the new series begin -- and end -- with a visit to Stavromula Beta.

It would give me a tremendous feeling of peace.
 
posted by Herodios at 8:01 AM on May 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Personally, I'm pretty optimistic about this show, and it's not just because I trust Bryan Fuller from other projects - it's because he is clearly a huge Trekkie himself,

Thank you.

I know that snark and criticism are lingua franca these days, but good lord, this is a teaser for a show that hasn't even been cast yet.
posted by Automocar at 8:35 AM on May 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I would like the Borg, pleaze. More Borg. I want a whole show set from the Borg's perspective. They assimilate people because they know that's the best way to preserve minds and cultures. Once assimilated, every drone has the opportunity to leave at any time they want, but so far, nobody has ever chosen to do so, and instead enthusiastically chooses to assimilate others, because being a Borg is the best.

That's the show I'd like to see.
posted by Galaxor Nebulon at 8:58 AM on May 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Is there an episode or novel where a full-blooded Betazoid encounters the Borg? Because I feel like that would be pretty awesome.
posted by showbiz_liz at 9:03 AM on May 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Once assimilated, every drone has the opportunity to leave at any time they want, but so far, nobody has ever chosen to do so, and instead enthusiastically chooses to assimilate others, because being a Borg is the best.

Hey this show already existed. It was called 19 Kids and Counting, but it was cancelled after it turned out one of the drones was not fully assimilated.
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 9:07 AM on May 19, 2016


Actually, they could do it like GRRM's 'A Song for Lya' and have it wind up with the Betazoid voluntarily joining the Borg while everyone else flees in horror.
posted by showbiz_liz at 9:10 AM on May 19, 2016


Is there an episode or novel where a full-blooded Betazoid encounters the Borg?

I can only think of one full-blooded Betazoid character and I am happy with never seeing another one.
posted by biffa at 9:13 AM on May 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well, whatever they do, I really really really hope that they do it in long format, with no reset button at the end of every episode.

That's actually the strength of Enterprise. I finally watched it last year despite the worst theme song ever made ever anywhere, and Scott Bakula's anti-charisma. The plot arcs are more coherent throughout the seasons than anything DS9 or Voyager managed.
posted by lumpenprole at 9:24 AM on May 19, 2016


I can only think of one full-blooded Betazoid character and I am happy with never seeing another one.

Lwaxana gets a bad rap but I've come to really appreciate her. She's a lot more subtle of a character than people give her credit for, and she was featured in some of the most poignant, saddest episodes, including "Half a Life", which I'm still surprised they got on the air.
posted by Automocar at 9:26 AM on May 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I can only think of one full-blooded Betazoid character and I am happy with never seeing another one.

Everyone always forgets Tin Man. (not that I blame them).
posted by sparklemotion at 9:36 AM on May 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


and Scott Bakula's anti-charisma

The thing is, Scotta Bakula is not anti-charismatic! He's great in a ton of other stuff, which I guess is why they cast him. But that particular role was just a world of wrong for him. He was woefully miscast.

I found it physically painful to watch him in ENT, even after being a huge Quantum Leap fan, and for that (and myriad other reasons) I never ended up getting into the show.
posted by suelac at 10:39 AM on May 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Scottie killed his dog. CANON.
posted by Artw at 10:49 AM on May 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am not very optimistic about this new Trek considering it has been all downhill since DS9 ended 1968 1982 the animated series ended Bryan Fuller started writing for it.
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:47 PM on May 19, 2016


Ha ha, nerds.
posted by Artw at 8:17 PM on May 19, 2016


Oh please no fracking Holodeck episodes.

I'm pretty sure that if you go watch the video from the Panda & Basket FPP, and think of the pandas as "Star Trek writers" and the basket as "holodeck episodes", that would be a fairly accurate representation of the situation.
posted by soundguy99 at 8:50 PM on May 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


also please stop with the weird nostalgia for 20th century stuff.
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 6:56 AM on May 20, 2016 [1 favorite]


I believe Fuller write the episode where the stupid-ass Delta Flyer was conceived.

On the other hand, it's actually a good episode, and we've no idea if he's responsible for its stupid-ass Captain Proton stylings.
posted by Artw at 7:14 AM on May 20, 2016


also please stop with the weird nostalgia for 20th century stuff.

Like tigers and elephants and wild life, glaciers and mountain lakes and bike rides without protective gear.
posted by y2karl at 7:53 AM on May 20, 2016 [1 favorite]


also please stop with the weird nostalgia for 20th century stuff.

What? You didn't like the episode of Voyager where B'lanna builds a 50's TV for Paris and he sits around and watches public domain TV from the 50's? Or the one where they meet Amelia Earhart? Or the one where they go back in time to meet a conniving Steve Jobs type who wants to steal their technology and Tuvok wears a sweat band? Weird.
posted by Ashwagandha at 7:59 AM on May 20, 2016 [2 favorites]


weird nostalgia for 20th century stuff

Two words:
  Terri
  Garr
 
posted by Herodios at 8:02 AM on May 20, 2016 [2 favorites]


Spock's pon farr
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 8:04 AM on May 20, 2016 [2 favorites]



Terri Garr
Spock's pon farr
The one where th' Cap'n drives a car

Grups and onlies
Yangs and kohmsies
The Great Depression with Joan Collinses

Space Jews and Nazi
Gladiators on TV
Instant chicken soup for a petrified MP . . .
 
posted by Herodios at 8:34 AM on May 20, 2016 [3 favorites]


Synth-ale can be spec-ta-cu-lar?
posted by sparklemotion at 8:36 AM on May 20, 2016


Only on Ferenginar
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 8:40 AM on May 20, 2016


Two words:
Terri
Garr


NEW ASSIGNMENTS 🌎 NEW EARTHS 🌍 NEW MINIDRESSES
posted by RogerB at 10:24 AM on May 20, 2016


...and Tuvok wears a sweat band?

Not like anyone would ever catch Spock doing something like that, oh, no.

Of course, when the other choice is an elf hat, well...
posted by y2karl at 1:19 PM on May 20, 2016 [1 favorite]


Star Trek: The One where they Hang Out with Sarah Silverman
posted by Artw at 1:25 PM on May 20, 2016


Star Trek: The One where they Hang Out with Sarah Silverman

Yes but Sarah Silverman, looking cuter than she ever has, falls for the Hunk of Voyager (yes, the hunk you read that correctly) Paris the one crew member with the fetish for 20th Century Boomer culture. The worst. Chakotay might have right out of a instant coffee commercial but Paris is like the sad dad in a cough syrup commercial. Her falling for Harry Kim would have been better. If it wasn't for the sweat band I think I would have exploded while watching that episode.
posted by Ashwagandha at 4:10 PM on May 20, 2016 [3 favorites]


Harry Kim was dreamy
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 5:25 PM on May 20, 2016 [1 favorite]


Blandly dreamy.
posted by Ashwagandha at 5:31 PM on May 20, 2016 [1 favorite]


Harry Kim was dreamy

Harry Kim died and got replaced by an alt. timeline doppelgänger and nobody mentioned it again ever.
posted by Artw at 5:34 PM on May 20, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yes and he had message from a bitter future version of himself (who had to share a shuttlecraft with Chakotay and his much younger girlfriend) who had ceased to exist and his reaction was "huh."
posted by Ashwagandha at 5:56 PM on May 20, 2016


My hope is that Section 31 is never brought up again. It worked OK on the first few DS9 appearances, when you couldn't be sure if it even actually existed, but it ruins things in any other Star Trek context.
posted by ckape at 7:47 PM on May 20, 2016


What The Hell, Harry Kim?
posted by Artw at 9:28 PM on May 20, 2016


I often thought, as I watched Voyager, that Harry Kim was in fact the Tommy Westphall of the Trek universe. I kept expecting him to wake up with his mum yelling at him to practice his clarinet.
posted by Ashwagandha at 10:02 PM on May 20, 2016


Hey, since we're all here: New STAR TREK BEYOND Trailer
posted by Artw at 10:12 PM on May 20, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well that looks overstuffed. And I am so sick of the use of tinky piano themes in trailers.
posted by octothorpe at 5:30 AM on May 21, 2016


/cranks up Beastie Boys.
posted by Artw at 7:13 AM on May 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


I appreciate the attempt to shift the focus away from the "generic action flick" feel of the first trailer, but the attempts showing better character moments just make me realize that these movies haven't done the base work to make me care about these shorthand versions of Kirk, Spock, Bones, Uhura, Scotty, etc.
posted by nubs at 8:40 AM on May 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


Looks like more of the same, frankly. Simon Pegg's involvement with the screenplay makes me want to be excited, but meh.
posted by tobascodagama at 9:07 AM on May 21, 2016


Harry Kim died and got replaced by an alt. timeline doppelgänger and nobody mentioned it again ever.

Have you heard Garret Wang talk at a convention? It's hilarious when he brings up all this stuff at panels, in a sort of rant to Voyager's writers on behalf of his long suffering character. Apparently the two biggest regrets Ensign Kim had were:

1. Not getting to date Seven of Nine.

2. Never getting promoted.

The rest of it kind of fades into a PTSD induced amnesiac fog.
posted by Kevin Street at 9:08 AM on May 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


New STAR TREK BEYOND Trailer

Well it looks better than the first trailer, but if the main theme is going to be Kirk having an identity crisis then that's pretty weak sauce. They've kept the lazy fight choreography from the first trailer though.

Surprising McCoy is still around, you'd think his Nobel Prize and Vulcan Academy prize for generally curing death would get him a better gig.
posted by biffa at 11:14 AM on May 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


To be fair, if I cured death and had my choice of gig, I'd probably choose to cruise around the galaxy in a space ship with my best bud who does whatever the fuck he wants and nobody tries to stop him or even reprimand him even though he's supposed to be in the military.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:07 PM on May 21, 2016




1. Not getting to date Seven of Nine.

2. Never getting promoted.


1 - Seven of Nine was way out of his league. The Delaney sisters down in astrometrics were more his speed.

2 - Yes. Seriously, Harry went above and beyond and when he returned home he was still an ensign and still badgered by his parents.
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:02 PM on May 21, 2016


Seven of Nine ends up with some horrible Republican anyway, better off to stay out of it.
posted by Artw at 6:03 PM on May 21, 2016 [1 favorite]


ends up with some horrible Republican anyway
She ends up mind boggingly with Chakotay in the show but in real life she divorced Jack Ryan while Voyager was still on. According to Wiki, she's married to a French chef now. So it works out. Harry Kim on the other hand is still bitter.
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:13 PM on May 21, 2016


So you know that episode I mentioned where Fuller kills Neelix but sadly has to bring him back? It has a significant downside in that it has Chakotay giving Neelix "medecine bundles" so he can go on a "vision quest" and figure out how to process the whole business of having been dead, and thus is part of the whole heavy handed awfulness of Chakotay being non-specifically Native American. On the plus side on the vision quest Neelix gets told his life is pointless and he should probably just die again.
posted by Artw at 6:24 PM on May 21, 2016 [2 favorites]


I appreciate the attempt to shift the focus away from the "generic action flick" feel of the first trailer, but the attempts showing better character moments just make me realize that these movies haven't done the base work to make me care about these shorthand versions of Kirk, Spock, Bones, Uhura, Scotty, etc.

Note the voice of Shohreh Aghdashloo, who is playing the President of the Federation, basically laying out the theme of the film. "You can get lost alone out there in space." And now remember that this character was only recently conceived and added to the film during reshoots in March!

I get that reshoots are a pretty typical part of the production process if you miss things or you need to clarify things, but to have to invent a whole new character, one that seems to be in there to make the film mean something? This is making me very cautious. Especially after the Into Darkness debacle.

For me, my love of Trek was borne out of the stories they told. Next Gen, which was my introduction, wasn't much for character arcs or continuity. I watched every week to see a fascinating science fiction premise. Now I came to love those characters, built on bits of information gleaned over seasons. And I'm glad TV has shifted away from that dynamic, even by the time of Deep Space Nine.

But the characters in the new films, they are really dependent - for me - on my residual love of the characters from Classic Trek. Sure, the first film made me cry about Kirk's dad dying, but that's mostly because of Giacchino's music than anything to do with the character of George Kirk.

My issue with these new films is that they don't have interesting premises. They are space adventure films. That's not what I watch Trek for.

So, in this year, the 60th anniversary of the franchise, I'm really glad I have Fuller's new series to look forward to - because the film franchise has nothing in it for me right now.
posted by crossoverman at 3:35 AM on May 22, 2016 [3 favorites]




They just used the Generic Sci Fi Teaser/Intro Pack off the Unity Asset Store. (That's a Jim Sterling video, so NSFW.)
posted by tobascodagama at 11:42 AM on May 22, 2016






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