A noble warrior hero
December 4, 2018 4:29 AM   Subscribe

 


eeeeeeeeeeeeee and also KITTEH and also yes please
posted by lydhre at 5:12 AM on December 4 [9 favorites]


And also also: you mean Marvel actually watched Wonder Woman and said maybe we should get in on that girl shit? Because yes, yes they should.
posted by lydhre at 5:14 AM on December 4 [8 favorites]


Oooh, if they don't license that Survivor version and re-release the trailer they don't know what's good for them! I got goosebumps and I don't even know who Captain Marvel is!
posted by Harald74 at 5:14 AM on December 4 [5 favorites]


And Monica Rambeau for at least a cameo!
posted by kewb at 5:46 AM on December 4 [4 favorites]


> kewb:
"And Monica Rambeau for at least a cameo!"

You mean in the two plane cockpit scene? I think that's Maria Rambeau, Monica's mom.
posted by signal at 5:56 AM on December 4 [8 favorites]


It looks like the woman in the trailer is Monica's mother, so given that we know that this takes place in the past, maybe they're setting us up for Monica in the present-day timeline. If this somehow leads to a Nextwave movie, I'll be thrilled.
posted by Strange Interlude at 5:56 AM on December 4 [11 favorites]


Was anybody else hoping Chewie would open up wide and (temporarily) swallow Fury?
posted by signal at 5:56 AM on December 4 [4 favorites]


It looks like there will be a Maria Rambeau character in the film, from IMDB looks like a pilot in Danvers' squadron. Wikipedia list her as Monica's mother, callsign 'Photon'.
posted by biffa at 5:57 AM on December 4 [2 favorites]


I thought the Kree were the bad guys from Guardians of the Galaxy? But Captain Marvel is a good guy? Right? Is there an answer to this confusion or does it just get hand-waved away? I'm ok if it does, but I would like to know one way or the other... Or was it just that one guy was a bad Kree guy? I can go with that.

Looks exciting as all get out and I'm definitely on team show women kicking ass.
posted by From Bklyn at 6:05 AM on December 4 [3 favorites]


Was anybody else hoping Chewie would open up wide and (temporarily) swallow Fury?

I know she has a "cat" named Chewie in the comics, but the label in the trailer said "Goose".
posted by Pendragon at 6:08 AM on December 4


I thought the Kree were the bad guys from Guardians of the Galaxy?

The Kree are like the ST:TOS Klingons of the MCU - warlike, self-interested goals, blunt and humorless and pop up in a variety of places where a hostile villain is needed. But, as of the time of GOTG, there's a treaty with the Kree to end a war; the Big Bad in GOTG is a Kree who plays by his own rules. There's a short scene in GOTG where Xandar calls the Kree and says, "this guy is violating the treaty" and the Kree say "he's not our problem."

The Kree created the Inhumans so they play a bigger part in Agents of SHIELD and the cancelled Inhumans show.
posted by AzraelBrown at 6:19 AM on December 4 [11 favorites]


Ronan The Accuser from GoTG is a Kree religious extremist.
posted by jrishel at 6:21 AM on December 4 [2 favorites]


The Kree generally are the "lesser evil" to the Skrulls, where "lesser evil" means a distant galactic power who generally leaves humanity alone except for plot-driven conscription and experimentation.
posted by GenderNullPointerException at 6:32 AM on December 4 [4 favorites]


Was anybody else hoping Chewie would open up wide and (temporarily) swallow Fury?

A comment I saw elsewhere: "Maybe that's how he loses his eye."
posted by Fleebnork at 6:34 AM on December 4 [14 favorites]


To make it more fun, both Ronan and Korath (Djimon Hounsou’s character) from GotG are back in this. Both briefly in the trailer. This all takes place well prior to GotG.

Her pet is called Goose in the movie, rather than Chewie.

I’m really excited to hear Ben Mendelsohn get to use his real accent maybe.
posted by dumbland at 6:38 AM on December 4 [1 favorite]


Oh, I should mention that anyone who would like an introduction to Captain Marvel should start here.

The books aren't the origin story, but they are very enjoyable. There are 3 trade paperbacks written by the excellent Kelly Sue DeConnick. I got them for Mrs. Fleebnork and she super loved it, even as a non-comic-reader.
“Have you ever seen a little girl run so fast she falls down? There's an instant, a fraction of a second before the world catches hold of her again... A moment when she's outrun every doubt and fear she's ever had about herself and she flies. In that one moment, every little girl flies. I need to find that again. Like taking a car out into the desert to see how fast it can go, I need to find the edge of me... And maybe, if I fly far enough, I'll be able to turn around and look at the world... And see where I belong.”

― Kelly Sue DeConnick, Captain Marvel #1
posted by Fleebnork at 6:43 AM on December 4 [21 favorites]


My guess about changing “Chewie” to “Goose” is that Disney, which owns both Marvel and Lucas but not Paramount, believes it is more likely that there may be a Star Wars/Marvel crossover event than a Top Gun/Marvel crossover event, and needed a different iconic ‘80s copilot name.
posted by gauche at 6:49 AM on December 4 [23 favorites]


I got goosebumps and I don't even know who Captain Marvel is!

I thought the Kree were the bad guys from Guardians of the Galaxy? But Captain Marvel is a good guy? Right? Is there an answer to this confusion or does it just get hand-waved away? I'm ok if it does, but I would like to know one way or the other... Or was it just that one guy was a bad Kree guy? I can go with that.


It's complicated, especially because there's the comics version, which is super-complicated in the way that only decades-old comics continuity can be, and the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe) version seems to be taking selective portions of the comics continuity and doing their own thing with it. Here are some basic pointers:

1) Captain Marvel: No relation to the DC Comics hero of the same name; that character has their own complicated history. When the original Captain Marvel stopped publication, Marvel Comics decided that they wanted to get the trademark to the Marvel name as applied to superhero characters, so they came up with their own Captain Marvel, a Kree soldier named Mar-Vell; this is the character played by Jude Law in the movie. (His original costume looks like this; the later one looks like this.) Whether in sincere tribute or taunting DC Comics with their possession of the "Captain Marvel" copyright, for a while Mar-Vell can switch places with a guy named Rick Jones (former sidekick of the Hulk and Captain America--like I said, complicated) by banging his wristbands together, not terribly dissimilar to Billy Batson turning into DC Captain Marvel. Eventually, writer-artist Jim Starlin gets his hands on the character and starts doing big, trippy cosmic adventures with him, including some with Thanos, whom you may have heard of, a character that he'd originally introduced in Iron Man. Mar-Vell dies of cancer in the really-pretty-good graphic novel The Death of Captain Marvel, also guest-starring Thanos.

Since Marvel Comics still wants to hold onto that copyright, an assortment of other characters take up the name. The aforementioned Monica Rambeau was one of the more prominent ones; her powers (can turn into electromagnetic energy) have nothing to do with Mar-Vell or the Kree. Most of the other characters are either Kree (if not actually Mar-Vell's children), a Skrull, or Carol Danvers.

2) Carol Danvers: originally shows up as a supporting character in Mar-Vell's book, then gets superpowers via wibbly-wobbly-geneticky-weneticky. She takes the name Ms. Marvel and has a couple of cheesy costumes. She is not always treated well by her writers. For a while, she's a cosmic superhero named Binary; for a while, Rogue of the X-Men has her powers and memories. Eventually, someone gets it in their head that maybe she should be Captain Marvel instead of any of the rotating list of Captains Marvel since Mar-Vell shuffled off the mortal coil. (She was a colonel in the Air Force, so it's a demotion, but whatever.) And there you go.

3) Everyone else: ugh, you can check Wikipedia, it just goes on and on. I think that Ronan was always kind of an asshole. Some of these characters show up in Marvel's Cosmic line in the aughts, which gave birth to the version of the Guardians of the Galaxy that became so popular in the MCU.

4) Don't ask about Marvelman/Miracleman/Marvelman.
posted by Halloween Jack at 6:54 AM on December 4 [32 favorites]


This movie looks lit! I am so excited to see it. I hope Annette Bening has more than 5 lines. Please don't waste a monumental talent like that! I have no idea what character she is supposed to be but seeing a woman over 40 years old in a Marvel movie is so great. (Apologies to Cicely Tyson in Deadpool. A great character but .... ) And I am thrilled that it was my 16 year old nephew, a DC fan, that was the one to send me the link to the new trailer. Also, the Destiny's Child trailer cut is perfection.
posted by pjsky at 7:06 AM on December 4 [4 favorites]


I thought the Kree were the bad guys from Guardians of the Galaxy? But Captain Marvel is a good guy? Right? Is there an answer to this confusion or does it just get hand-waved away?

Everybody's the hero of their own narrative, right? Most of Marvel's better villains see themselves as heroes, or at least fully justified, and they seem to know it. Also they may well be setting us up for another theme about military-industrial powers indoctrinating and using people to unethical purposes, so there's that, too.

Although I'm also still hoping they're gonna come clean about Thanos in Avengers 4 and make plain that he's just an abuser and he just wants to hurt people rather than the "he's got a point" bullshit they pushed in Avengers 3, so...
posted by scaryblackdeath at 7:11 AM on December 4 [5 favorites]


I legit just started crying watching this. That’s not normal, right?
posted by greermahoney at 7:20 AM on December 4 [8 favorites]


Totally normal, greermahoney (pass the tissues).
posted by mogget at 7:25 AM on December 4 [7 favorites]


And I just realized the release date is International Women's Day.
posted by mogget at 7:28 AM on December 4 [22 favorites]


I wish I could go back in time, get hold of 10-year-old me, and take her to this movie.

I'm glad that 10-year-old girls now will get to have this movie.
posted by emjaybee at 7:37 AM on December 4 [19 favorites]


One other thing to add to what Halloween Jack's most excellent explanation had:

During the fairly ridiculous "House of M" Event, where reality got messed with and mutants were in charge and things were pretty good overall for people, Carol was the greatest non-mutant hero of that parallel world. When it changed back, Carol remembered it and decided she could really be that hero, instead of everything she wasn't. Then they gave her a series, which was OK, and then handed her to Kelly Sue De Connick, and she became amazing.
posted by mephron at 7:38 AM on December 4 [10 favorites]


Yeah, I wish that I had a girl to take as well as an 11yo boy.
The boy is psyched for it, though.
posted by signal at 7:39 AM on December 4


I have to say, when I was watching NBC's Thursday night sitcoms circa 2013, I did not think that multiple secondary/minor characters would, within a few years, be headlining billion-ish dollar superhero movies.
posted by Copronymus at 7:53 AM on December 4 [4 favorites]


My 12-year-old son is psyched, and really latched onto the imagery of how young Carol Danvers keeps getting knocked down and standing back up.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 7:56 AM on December 4 [12 favorites]


Only a species that has been in space for many generations could think of their entire race as noble warrior heroes. Or maybe that's just the propaganda they put in Carol's head.
posted by straight at 8:03 AM on December 4 [1 favorite]


Everybody's the hero of their own narrative, right? Most of Marvel's better villains see themselves as heroes, or at least fully justified, and they seem to know it.

The trailer seems to be setting this up as the story of the film, with Green Suit Carol straight up identifying herself as a Kree and the Kree as "noble warrior heroes" to Nick Fury near the start of the trailer but then Red and Blue Suit Carol towards the end of the trailer telling someone (from context, presumably a Kree) "I'm not going to fight your war... I'm going to end it."

So it seems like as Carol regains her memories she'll end up rejecting the Kree to be her own person and make her own decisions.
posted by tobascodagama at 8:06 AM on December 4 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I wish that I had a girl to take as well as an 11yo boy.
The boy is psyched for it, though.


My daughters are excited about the movie, but its my nine-year-old boy who is really into it. The movie comes out just before his birthday, and he's already planning his whole birthday around it, with Captain Marvel decorations and a trip to a matinee with all his friends. The grandparents might shake their heads when they realize Captain Marvel is a woman, but my son is completely unselfconscious about it. Hasn't even occurred to him to think that a woman can't be a hero for him to emulate, too.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 8:16 AM on December 4 [37 favorites]


THIS LOOKS BOSS

THAT IS ALL
posted by praemunire at 8:18 AM on December 4 [1 favorite]


I hope Annette Bening has more than 5 lines.

These movies are not for me, but it did elicit an "OOO! Annette Benning!"
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:23 AM on December 4


The new trailer was pretty cool, but that Survivor's fanvid version made the hair on my arms stand up.
posted by joyceanmachine at 8:23 AM on December 4 [4 favorites]


All that AND Annette Benning. I love seeing actresses of a certain age making bank spitting exposition like nobody's business. and Marvel provides.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 8:25 AM on December 4


> Pater Aletheias:
"Hasn't even occurred to him to think that a woman can't be a hero for him to emulate, too."

Mine is a the self-defined "only feminist in his school class", so yeah, he's OK with Carol being Carol.
Part of this is our specifically talking about this sort of thing, but I think Steven Universe, Squirrel Girl and Gwenpool have a lot to do with it, too.
posted by signal at 8:32 AM on December 4 [4 favorites]


And Laura Kinney. And Gabby.
posted by signal at 8:34 AM on December 4 [1 favorite]


> they may well be setting us up for another theme about military-industrial powers indoctrinating and using people to unethical purposes

If they are, it can't be too direct, the US DoD pays a lot of money for Marvel movies to be military propaganda.
posted by idiopath at 8:57 AM on December 4




Without mobile attacking steampunk cities, it means nothing to me.
posted by thelonius at 9:01 AM on December 4


I need to tone that down a bit. Eg DoD didn't find the Avengers movie as it was too fantastical. But they did support Iron Man and if course many non-Marvel films as well.
posted by idiopath at 9:02 AM on December 4


Paid, past-tense. Has not paid since Avengers, and certainly for sure not since Winter Soldier, which I mean basically said "hi half the US gov't is NAZIs btw." Iron Man was before that, natch. So while Marvel probably won't be like "Wheeeee the military is the poop" since the last few movies have shown Disdain For The US Military I am pretty sure they won't have this one be a big direct recruiting prop fest.
posted by FritoKAL at 9:05 AM on December 4 [5 favorites]


I'm all about Captain Marvel, but... can I also have a movie that's just Nick Fury and the cat? Please?

Also - to anyone in Hollywood that may be listening - one of the movies that has somehow avoided a reboot/remake is "The Cat from Outer Space." Its time has come. The world is waiting, please get on it. I recommend CGI'ing Lil Bub and going from there.
posted by jzb at 9:19 AM on December 4 [9 favorites]


I need to tone that down a bit. Eg DoD didn't find the Avengers movie as it was too fantastical.

"HOLY SHIT, THAT'S A FUCKING HELICARRIER!!!!!" is a hard standard to best.
posted by mikelieman at 9:25 AM on December 4


If you read the DOD-related article, it's not that the Avengers was too fantastical, it was that they (the DOD) couldn't figure out their role in a world that contained S.H.I.E.L.D. Where they in charge of it, it of them?
Kind of glad they never got around to pondering their role in relation to S.W.O.R.D.
posted by signal at 9:37 AM on December 4 [2 favorites]


wheeeee!
posted by SonInLawOfSam at 9:40 AM on December 4


I'm looking forward to Captain Marvel like I've looked forward to no Marvel movie since, well, Black Panther, which admittedly wan't that long ago but did interrupt a long series of "meh, it's ok" from me when it comes to Marvel movies.

Even though it's clearly a tie in to Avengers 4, and one thing that I found wearing about the Marvel movies was how every single one lately has had to be an Infinity Gauntlet tie in of some sort (and I loved that Black Panther was its own story and the only Infinity Gauntlet bit was at the very end after the credits), I'm still looking forward to Captain Marvel and so far everything is looking very good indeed.

Hope they don't blow this one.
posted by sotonohito at 9:49 AM on December 4 [2 favorites]




That's awesome. I always wonder what sort of effect this is going to have on the nerdboys of the future. Hopefully a good one.
posted by Chronorin at 10:00 AM on December 4


Can't speak for all the future nerdboys, but my 12 year old son was reading a slightly silly version of Lancelot's adventures in Camelot and came across the phrase "rescuing damsels in distress" and sighed, and said "ugh, why are they always putting in damsels in distress, women can do more than sit around and wait to be rescued."

So I figure I raised him right. I suspect not all future nerdboys will be quite so feminist, but there's a whole lot of pop culture these days that involves female heroes as a matter of course and with no holding it up as unusual or noteworthy. That's going to have a positive impact on our next generation of boys. It won't fix everything of course, but I can't help but think it'll help a bit.
posted by sotonohito at 10:10 AM on December 4 [12 favorites]


There's something shiny and exciting about all this, like CM will be dealing with some all-new characters and worlds. Plus she looks absolutely badass, flying around in space and firing off energy bolts. The CGI looks a little weak, but that's typical 'cause they're still refining things.

The knocked down but getting back up motif is gonna be hella powerful.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 10:19 AM on December 4 [3 favorites]


> And I just realized the release date is International Women's Day

I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONNNNNNNNNNG!
posted by The corpse in the library at 10:21 AM on December 4 [6 favorites]


I have to say, when I was watching NBC's Thursday night sitcoms circa 2013, I did not think that multiple secondary/minor characters would, within a few years, be headlining billion-ish dollar superhero movies.

Since Disney is going to pump out Marvel/Star Wars movies year after year after year until you are dead, get used to this feeling.
posted by sideshow at 10:39 AM on December 4 [7 favorites]


We actually have great fun with this in the VTX household. Generally speaking, the first time we see an actor or actress in a role we like them in, our head-canon is that they are that character in everything else we see them in. Chris Pratt is and always will be Andy Dwyer/Burt Macklin, for example.

For you that means "Rachel from Community" has had some very interesting adventures since you last saw her.
posted by VTX at 11:05 AM on December 4 [5 favorites]


You mean like that time she was locked in a room for seven years?
posted by Grangousier at 11:14 AM on December 4 [3 favorites]


And after she obtained her freedom she apparently abandoned or lost her kid, joined the Air Force!
posted by VTX at 11:21 AM on December 4 [2 favorites]


Addendum to my wad-o-text above: in a couple of places, I confuse "copyright" for "trademark", an embarrassing rookie mistake for a librarian.
posted by Halloween Jack at 11:25 AM on December 4 [1 favorite]


My head-canon is that it's not really surprising that Envy Adams was actually a Kree super-soldier sleeper agent. Just look at her boots.
posted by signal at 12:47 PM on December 4 [10 favorites]


Yeah, signal, that one was pretty obvious.
posted by praemunire at 12:54 PM on December 4 [1 favorite]


Two things:

1) I have not kept up with Captain/Ms. Marvel but I totally had that 1977 Ms. Marvel series as an 8 year old boy. Sadly I don't have it any more. Same with my big box of 1e Magic cards from college. *poof*

2) I currently buy 1-2 anthologies of well-reviewed comics per year and just read everything in one fell swoop. Last year it was the Ms. Marvel with Kamala Khan and I loooooooved it. Can we please have a movie of that too?
posted by freecellwizard at 1:49 PM on December 4 [3 favorites]




Heh. Since Bening may play a Kree military leader of a position similar to Glenn Close's position as Nova Prime in GOTG, it'd be lovely if they just had a quick phone call somewhere in the middle.

{Bening}: "The Kree wish to formally report to Nova Corps that one of our soldiers is acting unilaterally, and without Kree sanction."
Nova Prime: "Pull the other leg. Kree soldiers don't spit downwind without a direct order."
{Bening}: "She's... adopted."
posted by Mutant Lobsters from Riverhead at 2:12 PM on December 4 [5 favorites]




one of the movies that has somehow avoided a reboot/remake is "The Cat from Outer Space." Its time has come.

Last I heard, the remake is going to be a grimdark TV series from the producers of Riverdale.
posted by happyroach at 3:58 PM on December 4 [1 favorite]


It's too bad that there has to be an Avengers 4 trailer. It's certain to give away too much about what happens after the cliffhanger, and I'd have to join a monastery to avoid seeing it for 6 months.
posted by straight at 4:53 PM on December 4 [1 favorite]


I don't know. They're playing it pretty close to the vest on that one. We still don't even know what the title is. I have a feeling they don't want people to find out that the whole of Avengers 4 is just a 3 hour Zippy the Pinhead montage.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 7:24 PM on December 4


Speaking of awesome female characters for young boys to grow up admiring, mine were all X-Men. I tend to think they have the best in the superhero business. I'm ambivalent about Disney owning everything in the world, but I am hopeful for some good X-Men movies.
posted by es_de_bah at 10:07 PM on December 4 [2 favorites]


This looks epic. I keep thinking I'm over superhero movies and they keep making good ones.

I, too, am super thrilled to hear Ben Mendelsohn not putting on an accent.
posted by h00py at 10:45 PM on December 4




I am exceedingly excited about this movie.
posted by sarcasticah at 6:28 AM on December 5


...the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe) version seems to be taking selective portions of the comics continuity and doing their own thing with it.

I'm certain this is a deliberate choice by Disney. I think it's partially necessitated by everything being on screen instead of in a comic where you can jot down paragraphs worth of a character's inner monologue. But mostly I think it's to keep everything fresh and appeal to the widest audience possible.

You can take the most interesting parts of a character's continuity, combine then, and in some cases "fix" some of the more awkward stuff. But if you're mostly just regurgitating stories from the comics the comics fans will already know what happens.

So the folks in the audience that aren't familiar with the comics are getting exposed to some of the best stories that character has from the comics, fans still get to see plenty of familiar and iconic moments and characters, and they have some familiarity with who the characters are without it being as predictable as if it were just ripped from the comics unchanged.
posted by VTX at 9:38 AM on December 5


That's kind of how movies work, and thank goodness. How much do we really want movies where Wolverine goes to hell and survives because he's Wolverine, Peter Parker is reborn as the avatar of a spider-god with venomous Wolverine claws, the assassination of Captain America (the movie Civil War was insanely stupid, but possibly less stupid than the comic version), and Scarlet Witch creating alternate realities? Or on a darker note, what about the anti-Vietnamese parts of Iron Man or how Cloak and Dagger were a blatant drug-war propaganda piece?

And it's been that way since Richard Donner reimagined Krypton as a planet of shiny glass and crystal, radically different from the 40s and 50s pulp where Superman keeps one of the last cities of Krypton in a bell jar in The Fortress of Solitude.

It's just something that everyone kind of rolls with whenever Disney touches a children's story, or when everyone else does Shakespeare. Julius Caesar wearing a red MAGA hat? No problem. The Frog Prince in 1920s New Orleans? Why not? Obsessing about how faithful a comic book movie is to a format that struggles maintaining consistency between punching Hitler and shaking hands with the current president is probably the nerdiest of nerd passtimes.
posted by GenderNullPointerException at 10:04 AM on December 5 [5 favorites]


Only a species that has been in space for many generations could think of their entire race as noble warrior heroes. Or maybe that's just the propaganda they put in Carol's head.

Both. The Kree are essentially Space Fascists. They roll into star systems and conquer everything in sight with big-ass weapons and an unfailing sense of their natural superiority. They smash until they conquer.

For what it's worth, the Skrulls are essentially Tricky Space Fascists. They roll into star systems and conquer everything in sight by infiltrating civilizations with their shape-shifting abilities and an unfailing sense of their natural superiority. They destroy from within until they conquer.

Both are The Worst and certain that they are The Best. Naturally, they've been at war for a hilariously long time, as they're too well balanced to permanently defeat each other. From a human perspective, neither side should win and both should stay the hell away from Earth. Of course they do not stay away. (You should see what the Kree did to the Moon, for crying out loud. Perfectly good satellite, and they had to make part of it blue...)

Regarding the "Kree are Space Fascists" argument, weigh Carol's description of the Kree as "noble warrior heroes" against Umberto Eco's essay "Eternal Fascism." Eco's point number 11: In a fascist society, "everybody is educated to become a hero." Noble death in battle is all. Yyyyyeah.

Hope this movie's a good one. The "Carol Keeps Getting Back Up, Because Fuck You" montage is great.
posted by Harvey Jerkwater at 11:44 AM on December 5 [7 favorites]


Peter Parker is reborn as the avatar of a spider-god with venomous Wolverine claws

Wait, what the hell?!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 12:05 PM on December 5 [1 favorite]


Wait, what the hell?!


It's seriously not worth looking into.
posted by The Man from Lardfork at 12:53 PM on December 5 [1 favorite]


weigh Carol's description of the Kree as "noble warrior heroes" against Umberto Eco's essay "Eternal Fascism."

I mean that's completely right, but right now my main takeaway is I want to see a Captain Marvel/She-Ra crossover.
posted by happyroach at 1:37 PM on December 5


To be fair, Wolverine claws were the new black at Marvel in that decade.
posted by GenderNullPointerException at 1:42 PM on December 5 [2 favorites]


If you read the DOD-related article, it's not that the Avengers was too fantastical, it was that they (the DOD) couldn't figure out their role in a world that contained S.H.I.E.L.D. Where they in charge of it, it of them?

I mean, this is an ongoing concern when it comes to the fantastical abilities and battles of superheroes. Do our modern conflicts exist in the Marvel cinematic universe? Why don't the superheroes step in and stop them? You end up with a mishmash of For Heroes Only concerns that the Avengers stay busy with: internecine conflicts that boil over (hi Ultron) or planetary-scale issues where they have to save Earth or address galactic problems as Earth's heroes (hello, Thanos).

The Captain America films muddy the waters by having Falcon's backstory involve his status as a veteran of more recent conflicts. As for the Kree in the films, I was going to initially joke that they're like Saudi Arabia -- occasionally they have a citizen that goes rogue off-planet as a religious extremist like Ronan, right? But then I remembered that there was an actual comics event in the early 90s called Operation Galactic Storm, and no, I don't know why they went there with that title. It was the sequel to the Kree/Skrull conflict, because of course, depressingly, wars have sequels.

In summary, the military and comics: it's complicated.
posted by mikeh at 2:54 PM on December 5 [1 favorite]


With both Annette Bening and Mark Ruffalo in the MCU, they just need to cast Julianne Moore somewhere in there and we have the makings for a very VERY peculiar remake of "The Kids Are Alright"
posted by rmd1023 at 5:01 PM on December 5 [3 favorites]


Do our modern conflicts exist in the Marvel cinematic universe? Why don't the superheroes step in and stop them?

Well, the short answer is that that would result in a world that no longer really resembles our own, because of the implications of that sort of intervention on geopolitics. The idea has been toyed with about as long as superheroes have existed; in 1940, in Look magazine, we had "How Superman Would Win the War", Superman simply jumps into Berlin and Moscow (he can't fly at this point), grabs Hitler and Stalin (not an American ally yet), and drags them to Geneva for a trial. This, of course, would have changed the course of world history profoundly, and later comics writers would say that the reason why superheroes didn't end WWII was that Hitler had gotten hold of the Spear of Destiny and used it to keep them out of Europe.

Watchmen flipped that around and had Dr. Manhattan intervening in the Vietnam War, winning it in about two months, with the result that the 22nd Amendment gets repealed for Nixon's benefit. (Dr. Manhattan parenthetically notes that Kennedy hadn't made a similar request regarding Cuba.)
posted by Halloween Jack at 9:40 PM on December 5


There's also Marvelman/Miracleman and The Authority for superhero "Fuck it, we're in charge now" moments. Neil Gaiman's Marvelman series is particularly striking.
posted by Grangousier at 4:51 AM on December 6 [1 favorite]


The merch is coming and it's looking great!

I NEED that shirt the woman with the bike is wearing! NEED, I tell you! Yeah, and the socks too!

Those books about female heroes look pretty sweet for the Granddaughter
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:07 AM on December 6 [4 favorites]


I'm tickled that the watch company they partnered with is called "Invicta".
posted by tobascodagama at 8:04 AM on December 6


I'm glad my kids are older or I would definitely be trying to find $60 for a couple of backpacks this Christmas.
posted by straight at 9:48 AM on December 6


I've always loved the idea of the mohawk helmet as a nifty combination of the gladiator fins on the helmets of the Kree in the comic books and just making long hair work with a helmet.

But I never seemed to look great in the comics. Artists are usually too literal with it. The hair kind of flops around like real hair would and it usually doesn't create that iconic silhouette that I think the original design was going for.

Well this trailer has made it obvious that the only thing that was missing was that her hair should be on fire. It looks amazing in those space battle scenes. And they have it looking much more like plume in that shot of her helmet CG retracting itself. Best movie update of a comics art concept since the Rainbow Bridge in Asgard.

I sometimes feel like Marvel has gone a little overboard with the nanotech masks that dissolve and assemble at will, but it's a much better solution to the problem of wanting to see the actor's face than how Spider-Man used to always lose his mask in the climactic fight of every movie. (I was kind of surprised they didn't have T'Challa and Erik retract theirs when they had their conversations in the between-round breaks created by the train -- also a clever device I thought.)

I'd be fine with Tony making a CG helmet for Steve if it meant we'd get to see Captain America wear his helmet more often (also Tony would totally put little wings on it).
posted by straight at 10:19 AM on December 6 [1 favorite]


Now I picture the little wings popping out to fly the helmet over to Steve when he wants to put it on.

"But it retracts into the little nanite storage thing, why would it flown over to me."

"Yeah but then the wings wouldn't have a purpose."
posted by VTX at 11:15 AM on December 6 [1 favorite]


I think in the comic books universe, the wings can only possibly be explained by someone responsible for Steve's uniform seeing him as America's Namor (or just being a Namor fanboy).
posted by straight at 11:22 AM on December 6


The merch looks cool but what part of Higher, Further, Faster, More do people not understand?
posted by signal at 5:12 PM on December 6 [2 favorites]


I'm all about Captain Marvel, but... can I also have a movie that's just Nick Fury and the cat? Please?

I'd settle for a short film about Fury and the cat. It doesn't have to be a multi-hour epic as long as it's got some quality snorgling.

Nick Fury, He’s Just Like Us! … Meaning He Loves Cats
posted by homunculus at 5:48 AM on December 8 [1 favorite]




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