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October 16, 2019 12:34 PM   Subscribe

This past Monday morning at 8:05 AM EST, the Twitter account for Disney's forthcoming Disney+ streaming service posted a tweet saying, "It. Is. Time."

That tweet was followed by 629 more, each listing a single movie or program that will be featured on the new platform, chronologically in order of release date, and generally messing up a lot of people's timelines. Later in the day, perhaps feeling that this wasn't an ostentatious enough approach, they released a trailer for the service on YouTube. The trailer is more than three hours long, so the number of people willing to sit through the whole thing may be limited.

As with any streaming service, there's will inevitably be a lot of chaff to go along with the wheat, and some of the chaff in this case is decidedly odd, so the AV Club stepped up to sort the whole thing out. They also provided a more straightforward list of the content. BirthMoviesDeath provided a little analysis of their own, concluding "Racism Mostly Out, Animal Cruelty All-In At Disney+", and the Hollywood Reporter considers the money angle.
posted by Ipsifendus (98 comments total) 10 users marked this as a favorite
 
On the one hand I'm really frustrated by the seemingly-inevitable fragmentation of streaming services into something very reminiscent of cable TV services, and I'm not thrilled about spending money to participate in the trend, particularly in support of the cultural and business behemoth that is Disney.

On the other hand, Gargoyles.
posted by Phobos the Space Potato at 12:45 PM on October 16, 2019 [23 favorites]


I want you to look at this list of movies: The Million Dollar Duck, The Biscuit Eater, Charley and the Angel, Superdad, The Castaway Cowboy, The Strongest Man in the World, Treasure of Matecumbe, Herbie Goes to Monte Carlo, The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again, and Herbie Goes Bananas. Those were all directed by one man, Vincent McEveety, and if there is a stronger body of work just based on titles, well, I can't imagine it.

And six episodes of Star Trek: TOS, so he's in any Hall of Fame you care to name, thanks.
posted by Etrigan at 12:46 PM on October 16, 2019 [18 favorites]


Oh damnit, I had intended to include that in the post: Gargoyles!
posted by Ipsifendus at 12:49 PM on October 16, 2019 [7 favorites]


Strange that Darby O’Gill And The Little People made the cut, but The Gnome-Mobile didn’t.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 12:51 PM on October 16, 2019


I find it hilarious that instead of using the original audio for the trailers, they just opted to paste in three hours of stock music. I'm guessing that figuring out the rights clearances for the for 600+ movies & TV shows would have been way, way too much.
posted by mhum at 12:52 PM on October 16, 2019 [4 favorites]


I really love that period in the 70s (the Herbie era?) where Disney just churned out low budget ridiculous kid fare. It was uneven but it hadn't yet evolved into a science of brainwashing kids.
posted by benzenedream at 12:53 PM on October 16, 2019 [18 favorites]


really frustrated by the seemingly-inevitable fragmentation of streaming services into something very reminiscent of cable TV services,

I mean, it's gotten to the point that me and my friends/family have all had discussions like “Ok, if you get Hulu, we'll give you Criterion and then trade account credentials and create a separate profiles.”

We're already discussing who is going to pick Disney+ up and whether or not we should cancel Netflix because lately there's not much on there that we enjoy outside of Stranger Things and a handful of other shows.

*Yoda voice*
“Begun the streaming wars have.”
posted by Fizz at 12:54 PM on October 16, 2019 [9 favorites]


Once the war is over, all streaming services will be Taco Bell.
posted by RobotHero at 1:00 PM on October 16, 2019 [47 favorites]


They want $7 now to get people hooked. By 2024 I will be very surprised if this isn't more than what NetFlix wants. Assuming NetFlix is in strong decline then.
posted by bonehead at 1:01 PM on October 16, 2019


*reminds self to make friends with Fizz to trade away the one remaining YoutubeLive seat*
posted by RolandOfEld at 1:05 PM on October 16, 2019 [3 favorites]


The federal government needs to step in to stop this. This is completely and baldly anticompetitive. There's a reason the courts stepped in to stop movie studios from owning movie theaters back in the '40s.
posted by Automocar at 1:07 PM on October 16, 2019 [27 favorites]


“Begun the streaming wars have.”

I figure that everything is bingeable now, so I just need to get each service for one month out of the year, binge everything I want to watch and then cancel and move on to the next service.
posted by jacquilynne at 1:08 PM on October 16, 2019 [10 favorites]


But how does The Cat From Outer Space hold up?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 1:10 PM on October 16, 2019 [12 favorites]


But how does The Cat From Outer Space hold up?

Exactly the opposite of how well The Apple Dumpling Gang holds up, whichever direction you do that math is up to you.

Also The Black Hole !!!!!
posted by RolandOfEld at 1:12 PM on October 16, 2019 [2 favorites]


Here are the movies that won't be on Disney Plus.
posted by jeather at 1:12 PM on October 16, 2019 [4 favorites]


Yeah, on the one hand all the cool Disney stuff plus new stuff like The Mandelorian and She-Hulk is really great.

On the other hand WTF? I'm reaching the point where my streaming services are costing almost as much as my old cable bill used to. Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime (though, admittedly that's there mostly for shipping) and now Disney+.

Netflix $14
Hulu $11
Amazon $13

That's $38 already. Now Disney wants to get in on the take too and kick it up to $45.

And yes, it's also blatantly anti-competitive and left unchecked will result in every studio running its own streaming service.
posted by sotonohito at 1:14 PM on October 16, 2019 [4 favorites]


Oh! And they're doing Ms. Marvel! I mean, it's all the stuff I want, but damn.
posted by sotonohito at 1:16 PM on October 16, 2019 [7 favorites]


Eh, I’m fine with this proliferation of streaming services. Unlike cable, you can subscribe for just a month at a time and it’s easy to share credentials. Let’s not forget the terrible days of old where it was a nightmare to cancel.
posted by adrianhon at 1:21 PM on October 16, 2019 [5 favorites]


Wait. Superdad starred Bob Crane. Surely they're not showing a Bob Crane picture on any Disney Channel in 2020 and beyond?

(I would also like to note, apropos of basically nothing, that I'm old enough to have seen Superdad in a first-run theater. Yeesh.)
posted by holborne at 1:22 PM on October 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


The Biscuit Eater

I've eaten a biscuit before. I should watch this movie!
posted by aubilenon at 1:24 PM on October 16, 2019 [8 favorites]


Unlike cable, you can subscribe for just a month at a time and it’s easy to share credentials. Let’s not forget the terrible days of old where it was a nightmare to cancel.

How long you think that lasts? A few years before it'll cost you as much as it does to cancel your cell phone contract. If we live in a country where Verizon can charge you nearly the bulk of it to cancel the contract plus sells a locked down and price-inflated version of the delivery device, don't expect the studios to stop.

I'm not recommending that you pirate anything, but if you're curious about where and how things are being pirated and the interplay with legit sources, Torrent Freak is a blog dedicated to reporting all things copyright, piracy, and content access.
posted by saysthis at 1:32 PM on October 16, 2019 [15 favorites]


I think what's terrifying to me is how many people seem to have encyclopedic memories for all the wildlife specials, c-level comedies, and weird live-action kid movies that Disney put out. Someone on Twitter will say "Yeah but where's The Duck Who Went to Space* and A Year in the Life of a Mountain Goat*?!" and I think, why do you know this? Why do you care?

Like, I lived in that era as a kid and have only the haziest memories of non-animated Disney stuff. It was boring. I saw the Herbie movies, and even to 9-year-old me, they were dumb.

*Not actual movies, as far as I know, though hell, they could be.
posted by emjaybee at 1:34 PM on October 16, 2019 [10 favorites]


The thing that really bugs me is that for the original stuff, there's no choice but to sign up for the streaming service if you want to see it - at least ten years ago, I could wait until the stuff came out on DVD or Itunes or whatever and purchase per episode for the things I really wanted. Amazon puts some of their stuff on DVD eventually, but I don't think Netflix ever does.

(We'll end up getting this eventually because of she-hulk, probably)
posted by dinty_moore at 1:37 PM on October 16, 2019 [3 favorites]


I'm disappointed that they didn't announce Condorman or John Carter. Their lineup also doesn't seem to include everything that's currently on The Disney Channel, which means I'll keep having to borrow my parents' cable login so my kids can watch things on Disney Now.
posted by sleeping bear at 1:38 PM on October 16, 2019


saysthis: I have no idea, but Spotify and Netflix have been around for a while and it hasn’t happened yet.

I used to torrent everything, more or less. Now I earn more and I can afford to pay for the convenience of getting things easily, plus it’s nice that some of my money goes back to the creators.
posted by adrianhon at 1:38 PM on October 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


And put John Carter on Disney+, you cowards.

Dejah Thoris is a Disney princess!
posted by ActingTheGoat at 1:39 PM on October 16, 2019 [3 favorites]


But how does The Cat From Outer Space hold up?

I actually watched that a couple of months ago on Amazon Prime. It holds up pretty well in that it has some good laughs and a pretty adorable cat doing sci-fi things like flying a spaceship. It's over-long and sags in the middle, though, and there's a weird subplot involving sports gambling and mobsters. It helped that the cat's voice is just some dude talking, they didn't make it try to sound alien or non-human, which made it extra bizarre and funny.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:41 PM on October 16, 2019 [4 favorites]


Ctrl+F "Thomasina": 0 Results

Come on, man, the Castaway Cowboy and no Thomasina? Some completionists they are.
posted by Made of Star Stuff at 1:41 PM on October 16, 2019 [2 favorites]


I tried rewatching the original That Darn Cat a couple years ago, and it was pretty obvious the way they “trained” the cat was to starve the animal, and then have the actors carry food on them so that the cat would follow them around.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 1:46 PM on October 16, 2019


Let me tell you - A cat from outer space is one of my husband’s favorite movies. Like, we may get Disney + JUST for a cat from outer space.
posted by Suffocating Kitty at 1:46 PM on October 16, 2019 [6 favorites]


Also The Black Hole !!!!!

"Get Disney Streaming ... or go to hell! Because the black hole is a metaphor for hell, you see... can you believe we made this movie?"
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 1:50 PM on October 16, 2019 [3 favorites]


Whoa, they made more Star Wars movies after Return of the Jedi? I bet they are awesome!
posted by BeeDo at 1:52 PM on October 16, 2019 [7 favorites]


In mirroring my own childhood disappointment in the Disney channel, the service will feature ten seconds of Mickey Mouse cartoons and several months worth of Avonlea episodes.
posted by dr_dank at 1:52 PM on October 16, 2019 [5 favorites]


Ahhhhhhhh 90s X-Men animated series FINE I WILL SIGN UP HERE IS ALL THE MONEY
posted by skycrashesdown at 1:54 PM on October 16, 2019 [13 favorites]


Just as a warning, the "more straightforward list" link in this post sends me to an avclub page that has a browser-hijacking embedded ad.
posted by hanov3r at 1:54 PM on October 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


I am still miffed about no Donald in Mathmagicland.

I mean, okay, I will happily spend days watching 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and get my fill of James Mason gnawing on scenery and Kirk Douglas singing with a sea lion, but is it Donald and math? No. No it is not.
posted by Katemonkey at 1:55 PM on October 16, 2019 [20 favorites]


Interesting to see the things left out for good reason (Song of the South, the MANY gross "one white man fights off the evil natives" movies they made in the 50's) but they still included White Wilderness, the 1958 "documentary" that created the entire lemming meme by having someone off camera chuck lemmings off a cliff while they filmed the aftermath. How the hell did that garbage make the cut?
posted by thecjm at 2:00 PM on October 16, 2019 [5 favorites]


.......

The Simpsons?
posted by hanov3r at 2:03 PM on October 16, 2019


The big elephant in the room is everyone expecting NETFLIX to crash out sooner rather than later
posted by The Whelk at 2:14 PM on October 16, 2019


hanov3r: "The Simpsons?"

Disney bought Fox back in March of this year.
posted by namewithoutwords at 2:27 PM on October 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


The big elephant in the room is everyone expecting NETFLIX to crash out sooner rather than later

Which kind of sucks, because I've been enjoying the number of international TV shows and movies I can easily get because netflix helped pay for them to exist. Even when they're not good, they're usually interesting or different and I like looking at how different tropes get interpreted. And yeah, it's something I like, but not something I think I'd usually seek out and get for $5/mo (see: me not ponying up for Acorn or Britbox, much less both)
posted by dinty_moore at 2:28 PM on October 16, 2019 [8 favorites]


Netflix has had a charmed existence.
posted by ZeusHumms at 2:28 PM on October 16, 2019




I am still miffed about no Donald in Mathmagicland.

I've got a 16mm film print of it, if you want to come over, bring popcorn.
posted by AzraelBrown at 2:28 PM on October 16, 2019 [7 favorites]


The federal government needs to step in to stop this. This is completely and baldly anticompetitive. There's a reason the courts stepped in to stop movie studios from owning movie theaters back in the '40s.

Step in and what? Absolutely anything will immediately lead to the shuttering of Netflix (If Disney can't stream, then Netflix definitely can't have original content). How about Amazon? It's even harder than Netflix to tell where the "studio" stops and the "streaming platform" begins.

My guess is that if any sort of government intervention gets traction is that will see some studios shutter their streaming operations (Disney) and others just give it away for free (Apple, Amazon). One the thing for sure is that Netflix et. al. will be absolutely toast.
posted by sideshow at 2:31 PM on October 16, 2019 [5 favorites]


I think what's terrifying to me is how many people seem to have encyclopedic memories for all the wildlife specials, c-level comedies, and weird live-action kid movies that Disney put out... Like, I lived in that era as a kid and have only the haziest memories of non-animated Disney stuff. It was boring.

The nostalgia for bad Disney family flicks mostly doesn't seem to come from the folks who saw them once in theaters as a kid, but from millennials who saw them repeatedly on VHS. If you grew up in the 90s with a TV and VCR but couldn't afford cable or frequent purchases of new tapes, you'd end up with an eclectic collection bought from garage sales or taped from broadcast TV that you'd watch to death because that's the only video entertainment that was available. (Yes, I'm describing myself and yes, I would like to see Blackbeard's Ghost once again for some reason.)
posted by skymt at 2:36 PM on October 16, 2019 [14 favorites]


Which kind of sucks, because I've been enjoying the number of international TV shows and movies I can easily get because netflix helped pay for them to exist. .

Netflix slaps a "Netflix Original" on anything they own the rights to in whatever country they are streaming the content in, so for most/all the shows you are thinking of only involvement from Netflix was a check for the US rights long after the content was already on its way to being created.

The reverse example is that Better Call Saul is a "Netflix Original" in every country but the US, and that's because Netflix owns the international rights. Sony/AMC makes the show, and Netflix is not involved at all.
posted by sideshow at 2:36 PM on October 16, 2019 [9 favorites]


Disney bought Fox back in March of this year.

Sure, but the Simpsons is a little... off-brand for Disney, in general.

Also, that just highlights the fact that they're bringing on their own third- and fourth-tier stuff without really digging into Fox's generous back catalog. I mean, where's "Herman's Head"? "In Living Color"? "Mr. President"?
posted by hanov3r at 2:38 PM on October 16, 2019 [4 favorites]


The one company that is even more screwed than Netflix is AT&T. They just spent $108.7B to buy Warner, itself a company that has never NOT been overleveraged, going back to the days when it was a Mafia-run parking garage. AT&T will then have to invest a whole bunch more capital on their streaming service just to keep up with Netflix and Disney, and simultaneously it will have to invest a whole bunch of capital to roll out 5G, just to stay competitive with Verizon. There is just no way that AT&T is not going kablooey in the next few years.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 2:41 PM on October 16, 2019 [3 favorites]


What, no "Shazaam" featuring Sinbad?!
posted by chavenet at 2:41 PM on October 16, 2019 [11 favorites]


Funny. The only thing that's so far even slightly piqued my interest in Disney Plus (not enough to subscribe, of course) has been being reminded of the existence of things like The Apple Dumpling Gang and Hot Lead and Cold Feet. These and similar "films" (They Went That-A-Way and That-A-Way, The Private Eyes, The Prize Fighter, etc.) loomed large in my imagination as a child and, while most of the plots have long escaped me, I still have vivid memories of specific songs and settings and sequences from some of them, most likely just from seeing the trailers aired repeatedly on TV.
posted by Atom Eyes at 2:42 PM on October 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


Netflix slaps a "Netflix Original" on anything they own the rights to in whatever country they are streaming the content in, so for most/all the shows you are thinking of only involvement from Netflix was a check for the US rights long after the content was already on its way to being created.

So that's sometimes true, sometimes not, but more importantly, I wouldn't have been watched the TV shows if Netflix hadn't been buying the rights to them. Netflix really has increased the amount of international TV the average American viewer has access to (outside of Masterpiece theater) - and even people who I know who aren't adventurous in their viewing habits (people who say things like 'anime is too weird', for example) will talk about their Korean zombie drama or their Brazilian drag queen show.
posted by dinty_moore at 2:47 PM on October 16, 2019 [5 favorites]


The average American household is willing to pay $50 per month for TV. That's just a known fact about the market. However it is organised, the businesses know that, and that is what you will end up paying. Charge what the market will bear.

(I don't this this is good, I just think it's unsurprising!)
posted by alasdair at 2:47 PM on October 16, 2019 [4 favorites]


Talking a walk outside is free.
posted by PhineasGage at 2:53 PM on October 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


By my ethical scales, download sharing Disney's content is more ethical than ever giving Disney money for the IPs they harvest and wring out.

"There is just no way that AT&T is not going kablooey in the next few years."

Just means they'll be cheaper for Disney to buy. Their endgame is to own all creative IPs known to humanity.
posted by GoblinHoney at 2:54 PM on October 16, 2019 [2 favorites]


PhineasGage What? You mean outside? Where other people are?! You absolute monster!
posted by evilDoug at 4:28 PM on October 16, 2019 [6 favorites]


I'm going to sign up mostly to see The Imagineering Story and/or One Day at Disney.
posted by jjwiseman at 4:45 PM on October 16, 2019


"The average American household is willing to pay $50 per month for TV. "

Is it really that low?
Every time I hear someone complaining about their cable provider, it seems the bill is well north of $100 a month.
We gave up on cable when it topped $55 and that was a few years ago.
posted by madajb at 4:58 PM on October 16, 2019 [3 favorites]


Talking a walk outside is free.

Walt found a way to get people to cough up for that, too.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 5:01 PM on October 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


On the one hand I'm really frustrated...
On the other hand, Gargoyles.


On the other hand, you can just try the things that seem interesting from less-than-legitimate sources and then buy the discs when and if they become available.
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 5:33 PM on October 16, 2019


"... the shows you are thinking of only involvement from Netflix was a check for the US rights long after the content was already on its way to being created."

Netflix has a total of 160 million global subscriptions, 100 million of which are outside the US. They've made about 10 English-language shows outside the US, about 60 non-English language shows outside the US, and co-produced an additional 50 shows outside the US, for a total of about 120 genuinely original non-US Netflix shows. None of these are shows originally produced and aired by third-parties and merely licensed for foreign distribution by Netflix, which is what you have in mind.

How many subscribers will Disney+ have outside the US? How much non-English, locally produced content will Disney create and stream for them?

Many of the dire predictions for Netflix with regard to the advent of Disney+ are flawed in their US-centricism.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 5:34 PM on October 16, 2019 [10 favorites]


That tweet was followed by 629 more, each listing a single movie or program that will be featured on the new platform, chronologically in order of release date, and generally messing up a lot of people's timelines. Later in the day, perhaps feeling that this wasn't an ostentatious enough approach, they released a trailer yt for the service on YouTube. The trailer is more than three hours long, so the number of people willing to sit through the whole thing may be limited.

>>I find it hilarious that instead of using the original audio for the trailers, they just opted to paste in three hours of stock music. I'm guessing that figuring out the rights clearances for the for 600+ movies & TV shows would have been way, way too much.

This fucking timeline, man, it's even getting to you all. This is one of the weirdest promotional decisions by a major corporation I've ever seen, and you lot barely blinked and immediately just started complaining about prices and what's missing. I've never heard about a marketing campaign choice and actually thought, "This seems like the sort of decision only a lizard-person would make," before today, but that was my gut reaction to 630 tweets in a row of individual show or movie titles, and then a three hour YouTube file that's just trailers for all those shows and movies jammed back to back. I'm worried about the mental health of whoever decided this was the way to do things. They are having some sort of breakdown I think. Or maybe I am? I don't know anymore.
posted by Caduceus at 5:34 PM on October 16, 2019 [22 favorites]


There is SO much more they are holding back! The entire weird run of those Disney nature films, the True Life Adventure series or something? Reams of educational films they made for schools! So many shorts of various sorts...

Also, why not any of the Mickey Mouse Club? The first time around brought us Annette and Frankie, Spin and Marty... The next round brought us Lisa Welchel (Blair from Facts Of Life)... The round after that brought us (brace yourself) Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake, JC Chasez, Keri Russell, Ryan Gosling, Deedee Magno Hall, Nikki DeLoach, and Chase Hampton.

Theyv'e a new MMC reboot started in 2017. Who's one of the adults this time around? Todrick Hall!

Hundreds of things they aren't putting on the service. I'm astonished at how many of the supposedly "fringe" things the AV club listed were things I had seen, often more than once. I'm even more astonished at what I've seen that weren't mentioned at all.
posted by hippybear at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


How many subscribers will Disney+ have outside the US? How much non-English, locally produced content will Disney create and stream for them?

Will all that foreign Netflix content get more views in 2020 than even a single Star Wars film?

Assuming Netflix can still keep the lights on in 2024, I’m going to guess that Disney+ has 3X the non-US subscribers as Netflix at that point.
posted by sideshow at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2019


BirthMoviesDeath provided a little analysis of their own, concluding "Racism Mostly Out, Animal Cruelty All-In At Disney+"

Also this, which I find invaluable from a historical contextualisation kinda thing:
(EDITORIALS) Winter Is Coming For Streaming Media - [subheader] Whatever GAME OF THRONES line you want to use, the bursting of the streaming bubble is going be uglier than the end of that show.
posted by cendawanita at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


The average American household is willing to pay $50 per month for TV.

Actually it's double that, plus change: The mean reported monthly spending on pay-TV service among subscribers is about $107.
posted by jeremias at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


Zounds! What a development! Will Disney + knock off ol' Netflix, or does the champion still have some fight left? And could that be Amazon Prime skulking in the corner over there? Who will survive?

Find out on the next episode of Streaming Wars, available with your YouTube subscription!
posted by nubs at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2019


“I worked for years on the ‘Disney Vault’ marketing campaign and they ... they just tweeted it out”
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:58 PM on October 16, 2019 [5 favorites]


Darkwing Duck (1991)

LET'S
GET
DANGEROUS
posted by rather be jorting at 9:30 PM on October 16, 2019 [13 favorites]


I might be missing something but other than the Marvel movies that all looks like a big pile of B movie / 80s tv shite. And a lot of people already own the Marvel movies they want to rewatch. Maybe the nostalgia factor will get Americans to subscribe but I can't see how it'll be successful overseas?

I have Netflix and I dont see ever giving it up. It has a lot of good content, although admittedly their interface hides that well. I particularly like that the content changes often
posted by fshgrl at 9:54 PM on October 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


Honestly, if Turner Classic Movies were to launch a service which included their curated stream like we get via DISH, we'd subscribe to it in a hot minute and dump the top level of DISH which is the only level it's available. It's pure blackmail.

No, other classic movie services won't work. Because they don't have the curated stream. That's what TCM is all about. That's why we watch.
posted by hippybear at 10:18 PM on October 16, 2019 [2 favorites]


And yes, it's also blatantly anti-competitive and left unchecked will result in every studio running its own streaming service.


This makes no sense. Every studio running its own streaming service would be the opposite of anti-competitive. A content owner doesn't have to allow streaming at all. When every studio streams its own content, they'll try to get a piece of a finite pie. Unless you think everyone will somehow be compelled to subscribe to every streaming service and will be harmed in the pocketbook because they simply cannot forgo content from all the studios.

If anything, the every-studio-streaming scenario comes closer to a la cart programming that people clamored for from cable companies for decades.
posted by 2N2222 at 10:43 PM on October 16, 2019 [5 favorites]


The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again

I saw this in the theatre!
posted by srboisvert at 10:58 PM on October 16, 2019 [3 favorites]


I saw this in the theatre!

If I were to do a checklist of that entire list of "I've seen it" and a subset of "I've seen it in the theater", the second set would be appallingly large. OMG.
posted by hippybear at 11:02 PM on October 16, 2019 [2 favorites]


Every studio running its own streaming service would be the opposite of anti-competitive.

The actual anti-competitive element here is studio mergers, not proliferation of services. The scenario people are envisioning that sucks for consumers is the scenario in which streaming is splintered just enough to recreate something that feels like bundling. But that happens because Disney is Disney, and can throw its weight around.
posted by atoxyl at 11:36 PM on October 16, 2019 [2 favorites]


It was boring. I saw the Herbie movies, and even to 9-year-old me, they were dumb.


Typical American spoilt brat. I saw Herbie goes Bananas at the same age in a third world country and that little car rocked!
posted by tirutiru at 3:39 AM on October 17, 2019 [1 favorite]


Anytime I am tempted to complain about the proliferation of different streaming silos I just remember that in the early Blockbuster video days I paid somewhere around $6 cdn per movie I rented (factoring in inflation that would be about $15+ today) and I had to physically go and get them and return them (and had to rewind them).
posted by srboisvert at 5:31 AM on October 17, 2019 [5 favorites]


I think the reason they just pasted a bunch of stock music on top of the trailer is that if you wanted to actually splice together clips from 629 different movies with sound, and have it come out as anything other than horrific to listen to, you'd have to spend a longer time to put it together than what they had. I haven't done any editing, so I don't know how long. Maybe a year?

They weren't expecting anyone to actually watch the whole thing.

And if anyone did, the only goal would be to include enough footage to trigger recognition of the movie in question.

That's assuming that anyone can recognize, say, "Those Calloways" at a glance.
posted by Ipsifendus at 5:40 AM on October 17, 2019


MetaFilter: They are having some sort of breakdown I think. Or maybe I am? I don't know anymore.
posted by Mayor West at 5:50 AM on October 17, 2019 [5 favorites]


I might be missing something but other than the Marvel movies that all looks like a big pile of B movie / 80s tv shite.

I'm probably more of a Disney fan than the average Mefite, but yeah, that was my reaction. We already own all of the Marvel and Star Wars movies, and I'm not about to sign up for yet another streaming service in hopes that their original shows will somehow not suck.

I'm already paying for Netflix and Amazon. That's my limit.
posted by Fleebnork at 6:35 AM on October 17, 2019


The federal government needs to step in to stop this. This is completely and baldly anticompetitive.

Inasmuch as copyright is inherently anticompetitive, yes. And there's certainly a case to be made that copyright terms should be shorter, but I don't see this as being any worse than any other use of copyright.

People should have an absolute right to things like clean water, adequate and safe food, shelter, and health care. The opportunity to view Return to Witch Mountain at will doesn't belong on that list. Let Disney charge what they will. People will pay it, or not. People who don't subscribe aren't going to suffer irreparably.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 6:45 AM on October 17, 2019


I will pay $7 to watch The Cat from Outer Space again, the movie that taught me that "mad money", pool halls, gambling, and CalTech were likely to be part of my adult reality. I'm so excited that I'm not even the first person to mention it!
posted by chesty_a_arthur at 6:45 AM on October 17, 2019 [1 favorite]


I am still miffed about no Donald in Mathmagicland.

Personally, I have zero interest in watching a video of Trump in a budget meeting.
posted by NotMyselfRightNow at 7:12 AM on October 17, 2019 [2 favorites]


I've had only mild interest in this service, and hadn't really been paying attention, until Twitter's favorite red panda @darth retweeted Disney's mention of Mr. Boogedy, bringing back a FLOOD of childhood memories of the Disney Sunday Night Movie.
There is absolutely no way that movie can hold up to the fear and fascination it gave 9 year old me, and I'm sure it's objectively terrible, but I can't wait to watch it again.
posted by Roommate at 7:22 AM on October 17, 2019


The Great Circle of my life will have been completed when I can, once again, hunker down in my coonskin cap and watch Davy Crockett and Barnaby Jones shoot injuns. Only change will be, of course, now rooting for the injuns.
posted by Chitownfats at 7:34 AM on October 17, 2019 [2 favorites]


Inasmuch as copyright is inherently anticompetitive, yes. And there's certainly a case to be made that copyright terms should be shorter, but I don't see this as being any worse than any other use of copyright.

Nope. There is a reason the federal government stopped movie studios from owning movie theaters. The same principle applies here. Studios/rightsholders should not be allowed to own and operate streaming services. This is going to result in a less competitive market and higher prices. Vertical integration is bad.
posted by Automocar at 7:54 AM on October 17, 2019 [4 favorites]


How is this different than premium television networks (HBO, Showtime, etc) which produce their own content and charge a subscription fee on top of your normal cable/satellite bill?
posted by Roommate at 7:57 AM on October 17, 2019


It's vertical integration of production, distribution, and retailing. HBO or Showtime traditionally have been small players that had no effect on overall competition in the television market. However, with the consolidation of media corporations over the past 40 years, we are now in a situation where 5 corporations own 90% of American media.

1 of them already has a streaming platform (CBS All Access.) Disney+ is launching soon. And Warner is going to launch one in the near future.

The issue with the studio system of the early to mid 20th Century was that they were engaged in outright price fixing schemes, setting floors for the price of movie tickets, etc. We appear to be rapidly heading down a road where 5 media conglomerates all produce, distribute, and retail their own products. Who's to say they won't try price fixing once they drive competitors out of the marketplace? They're already buying and then shutting down competing streaming services.

Netflix will likely survive in some form, but they will basically have no access to American media and will have to rely on their original productions and whatever foreign content they can get. And then Disney+, CBS All Access, and whatever Warner's streaming service is could all jack up prices by 500%, if they wanted to.

(As an aside, I guarantee you that the long-term play is to shut HBO Go/HBO Now down and make that programming only available on Warner's streaming service. Same with Showtime and CBS All Access.)
posted by Automocar at 8:10 AM on October 17, 2019 [4 favorites]


As an aside, I guarantee you that the long-term play is to shut HBO Go/HBO Now down and make that programming only available on Warner's streaming service.

HBO Max
posted by Etrigan at 8:16 AM on October 17, 2019


1) the cat from outer space is great, so much so that i own the dvd.
2) YES! those nature documentaries. i was hoping for those, even tho they're old and out of date. and the stuff they did for the military would be cool to see.
posted by misanthropicsarah at 8:18 AM on October 17, 2019 [1 favorite]


1 of them already has a streaming platform (CBS All Access.) Disney+ is launching soon. And Warner is going to launch one in the near future.

There's also the upcoming "NBC Peacock" service...
posted by mosst at 8:48 AM on October 17, 2019 [1 favorite]


Yep. So expect Hulu to get crowded out, as well.
posted by Automocar at 9:13 AM on October 17, 2019


DIsney owns a controlling share of Hulu. Speculation is that they're going to end up using it for anything that clashes with their brand's squeaky clean image.
posted by Ipsifendus at 9:34 AM on October 17, 2019 [3 favorites]


Apparently Hulu is where Fox's X-Men is being siloed, it's not going anywhere on Disney+
posted by cendawanita at 10:00 AM on October 17, 2019


I'd be totally down with Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, and other streaming services being banned from producing their own content. Make content or provide a stream, pick one. And i say that as someone who likes a fair amount of Netflix original stuff.

Because yes, it is monopolistic and anticompetitive.
posted by sotonohito at 11:39 AM on October 17, 2019 [4 favorites]


Thanks goodness for the library and having a life!
posted by Mesaverdian at 11:41 AM on October 17, 2019 [2 favorites]


Nope. There is a reason the federal government stopped movie studios from owning movie theaters. The same principle applies here. Studios/rightsholders should not be allowed to own and operate streaming services. This is going to result in a less competitive market and higher prices. Vertical integration is bad.

You're throwing around "vertical integration" without realizing what it actually meant in context of of the U.S. v Paramount case. Vertical integration was bad not because the big studios simply owned theaters. It was bad because their ownership of theaters allowed them to squash independent productions to have access their theaters. In other words, independents had no place where the public could view their films. No surprise indie studios and movies were as rare as hens teeth in the years leading up to the case. And why virtually all movies we know of today from that era were the products of a handful of large studios whose names still exist today.

There is no analogous situation with studios streaming their own content. Unless your content is being denied access to streaming services by the big content creating streaming services. As far as I can tell, that absolutely is not the case today. It would take quite a conspiracy, since streaming is difficult to monopolize.

In short, there is no monopoly or anti-competitive activity here.
posted by 2N2222 at 9:18 PM on October 17, 2019 [2 favorites]


I can't say I'm in the Disneyverse very much, but I'm wondering what people think of Lindsay Ellis's take on on "Woke Disney".
posted by Grimp0teuthis at 8:38 AM on October 18, 2019


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