We Need To Talk About Ezra
August 11, 2022 4:52 PM   Subscribe

How do you solve a problem like an Ezra? As The Flash star Ezra Miller continues on their multi-state crime spree (which includes assault, burglary, weapons, grooming of teenagers and a cult), what on earth is it going to take for DC to realize they need to do something about The Flash movie? Will a recent arrest for burglary finally be the last straw, or does worse have to happen? Hollywood Reporter reports three possible plans for how to handle the star of their movie likely being in jail long before the movie comes out in (supposedly) June 2023.

So far DC has been happily in support of the movie. Meanwhile, the $90 million dollar Batgirl movie, featuring a woman of color and as far as we know, nobody who is in legal difficulties, has been utterly scrapped, which makes the argument that too much was spent/invested on The Flash to scrap or reshoot it seem a little .... off.

I, for one, am very curious to see how they're going to spin this when their star is in jail long before the movie comes out.
posted by jenfullmoon (75 comments total) 9 users marked this as a favorite
 
Anything I've read about this indicates a very troubled person so I honestly don't know how DC will spin this, but I do know they're getting more of a chance than anyone who worked hard on Batgirl did.
posted by Kitteh at 4:56 PM on August 11 [30 favorites]


I am really pissed off that Batgirl got canceled and this piece of crap gets to continue. I was actually really interested in the Flash film, but no way am I seeing it now.
posted by rednikki at 4:58 PM on August 11 [23 favorites]


Surely Warner can do better than Ezra.
posted by Going To Maine at 5:09 PM on August 11 [83 favorites]


What a shitshow. And this is happening in the context of the fading demand for superhero movies. This might be a nail in the coffin of the genre.

I watched We Need to Talk About Kevin a few weeks ago. Miller does play a convincing sociopath.
posted by mr_roboto at 5:30 PM on August 11 [4 favorites]


I LOVE the Flash and this indeed a dark inversion of the strong themes of found family, true love, struggling to do the right thing for your people that permeate all of the best Flash comics and both tb shows. 90s Flash by Mark Waid is so good, btw.

I also hate, hate all the transphobic comments in every article about this just because reporters are using their correct pronouns.

Anyway fuck this movie WB has no idea what to do with DC characters that aren't Batman.
posted by kittensofthenight at 5:56 PM on August 11 [3 favorites]


I watched We Need to Talk About Kevin a few weeks ago. Miller does play a convincing sociopath.

Wait, what? No way... No way, right?

[goes off and checks IMDB]

Ah, you are fucking kidding me!?! Talk about on the nose! Jesus Christ.
posted by Naberius at 5:58 PM on August 11 [8 favorites]


"This would see Warners killing the movie outright, as it could not be reshot with a different actor. Miller plays multiple characters and is in almost every scene."

Given the state of development in deepfake I doubt that this is true. Netflix was able to completely replace Chris D'Elia with Tig Notaro in Army of the Dead. Are we supposed to believe the Warner Bros. can't afford to recast/replace Miller?
posted by oddman at 6:02 PM on August 11 [6 favorites]


"The ant’s a centaur in his dragon world.
Pull down thy vanity, it is not man
Made courage, or made order, or made grace,
Pull down thy vanity, I say pull down.
Learn of the green world what can be thy place
In scaled invention or true artistry,
Pull down thy vanity,
Paquin pull down!
The green casque has outdone your elegance."

-Ezra Found. Canto LXXXI.

posted by clavdivs at 6:06 PM on August 11 [8 favorites]


Christopher Plummer might be dead but that just means his schedule's clear. If Tig Notaro isn't available of course.
posted by cendawanita at 6:14 PM on August 11 [14 favorites]


I am really pissed off that Batgirl got canceled and this piece of crap gets to continue.

It is a bold new strategy for Warner Brothers: completing superhero films and then shelving them. But tell me that several existing DCEU movies would not have benefited from this tactic.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:37 PM on August 11 [16 favorites]


I didn't realize Ezra Miller and Barry Keoghan were two different people until about 3 months ago so if they're looking for a replacement there's my vote.
posted by phunniemee at 6:37 PM on August 11 [9 favorites]


The last time this studio took a finished film and tried to save it with massive reshoots, it didn't work out very well.

It's hard to imagine this movie is so good that an audience will be there for it in spite of all this. The smartest thing they could do is shelve it and then release it to HBO Max due to "popular demand," like the Snyder Cut. Unlike the Snyder Cut, which seems to have been something of a damp squib, they wouldn't have to spend any more money on this movie, just release it. (I'll be a little surprised if they don't eventually do this with Batgirl, because in that case they really did shit the bed in terms of public perception.)
posted by kittens for breakfast at 6:47 PM on August 11


Grant Gustin too busy?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:52 PM on August 11 [18 favorites]


If they release it with Miller we'll finally get to see the Butthole Cut.
posted by Catblack at 7:05 PM on August 11 [3 favorites]


Given the state of development in deepfake I doubt that this is true. Netflix was able to completely replace Chris D'Elia with Tig Notaro in Army of the Dead. Are we supposed to believe the Warner Bros. can't afford to recast/replace Miller?

Chris D'Elia's character was a supporting player. Miller is the lead and is in every scene. WB would essentially have to reshoot the entire movie and they've already spent $200M on it.
posted by Constance Mirabella at 7:10 PM on August 11 [5 favorites]


Surely Warner can do better than Ezra.

The universe sees what you did there.
posted by Thorzdad at 7:22 PM on August 11 [24 favorites]


Grant Gustin too busy?

Wherever he is on earth, he could be on set in a matter of seconds.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 7:44 PM on August 11 [11 favorites]


I don't know about superhero movie fatigue specifically, but I'm getting movie fatigue. Didn't finish Everything etc all at once, didn't finish Dr Strange's Multiverse thingy, didn't finish Prey, didn't finish the second Suicide Squad (and mostly gave up on DC), didn't finish that Nicolas Cage film where he plays himself, didn't finish the latest Jurassic World.

The thing is, though, that I can say "movies were better when I was a kid", but that actively ignores all the toxic personalities amongst actors, writers, producers and studio execs. And now we're seeing articles about how if you're not someone, not connected, before you enter acting, expect to never make a living from it. (sorry, can't find the article I read recently.) What are my choices? Watch old problematic films that if they aren't racist, sexist, homophobic, or propaganda then they involve big names that have turned out to be predators, or try new films that are boring, derivative, or possibly just as problematic with actors that run cults or assault hosts on live TV, while the pool of actors actually making a go of it shrinks down to the privileged few backed by generational wealth and connections?

This is dire. Why would I ever pay to go the cinema to watch new movies? The 45 minutes of ads before the main attraction? To place bets on whether or not the audio will be screwed until someone goes and complains? I actually feel icky enabling this industry. As soon as my wife gives up on movies too, we're done.
posted by krisjohn at 7:57 PM on August 11 [10 favorites]


And this is happening in the context of the fading demand for superhero movies.

No one is asking me but honestly the only thing I really want out of Marvel Studios is a deep, wandering dive into the seedy weird background of the multiverse worlds of Guardians of the Galaxy and the trash planet Sakaar from Thor: Ragnarok, especially if it was done with the awesomely colorful, ridiculous comic book style and colors of Ragnarok.

No stupid Infinity Stones, no Thanos, no saving the universe, a complete lack of anything resembling the tiresome "underdog boy saves universe" Mary Sue tropes, no clashing crescendo and anticlimax of incomprehensible super powers so evenly matched against each other that it's so boring that it makes me want to take a nap.

Just space weirdos in space bars doing weird space shit, like a darker, sillier and more twisted version of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy universe.

For example I would love to see the story of Korg, who apparently as a very long life span and probably has all kinds of cool, weird stories to tell. Miek can come too.

Push all the usual primary hero characters into the background as comic relief and fan service cameos.
posted by loquacious at 8:24 PM on August 11 [47 favorites]


@loquacious

Marvel: Lower Decks?
posted by krisjohn at 8:30 PM on August 11 [23 favorites]





And this is happening in the context of the fading demand for superhero movies.

obligatory mention that I gave up on them when Buckaroo Banzai didn't turn into a franchise.
posted by philip-random at 8:33 PM on August 11 [34 favorites]




Someone on Twitter suggested that Miller was method acting in We Need to Talk About Kevin and they forgot to turn off the method when shooting ended.
posted by thatwhichfalls at 8:38 PM on August 11 [9 favorites]


This is dire. Why would I ever pay to go the cinema to watch new movies?

Same reason we always did: It’s really nice to sit and eat candy in the dark.
posted by mochapickle at 8:48 PM on August 11 [14 favorites]


Same reason we always did: It’s really nice to sit and eat candy in the dark.

We have candy and no lights at home!
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 8:50 PM on August 11 [40 favorites]


Why would I ever pay to go the cinema to watch new movies?

I work in the film distribution and I ask myself this all the time. Of the 387 movies I've watched this year, as of yesterday, only 9 were released in 2022. Though I don't mind the drive-in - mostly because I bring my dog and when I'm bored we go play in the field. I recommend it.
posted by Ashwagandha at 8:51 PM on August 11 [11 favorites]


Same reason we always did: It’s really nice to sit and eat candy in the dark.
We have candy and no lights at home!

And I didn't have to pay $10 for any of that!*

* And I can keep the lights on and knit so I don't fidget bored in the dark, but that's just me.

But seriously, other than having a date night/activity to go to with friends, I don't drag myself to an actual movie theater very often.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:58 PM on August 11 [3 favorites]


Another reason: Air conditioning. I've sat through the most awful movies for the sheer pleasure of shivering in a sweater in July.
posted by mochapickle at 9:02 PM on August 11 [18 favorites]


We have candy and no lights at home!

…ohhhhh, I’ve got better things than “candy” at my home, hmmmmm?
posted by aramaic at 9:15 PM on August 11 [2 favorites]


The main difference between The Flash, and Batgirl is that the folks at WB think one is a good movie, and the other isn't. Or at least BG isn't far enough along, and good enough not to be cancelled with a bunch of other stuff, since the acquisition by Discovery.
HBO Max recently removed 6 exclusive movies, for murky reasons, Doom Patrol's rumored to be cancelled, along with a bunch of other shows. I imagine that if the folks in charge now don't think that it's got the potential to be a mega hit, it's done.
posted by Spike Glee at 9:35 PM on August 11 [1 favorite]


I don't know about superhero movie fatigue specifically, but I'm getting movie fatigue.

Lately my main criteria for movies is, "Is it under 100 minutes?" Not a guarantee of quality, but at worst you're only out an hour and a half.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 9:38 PM on August 11 [9 favorites]


The main difference between The Flash, and Batgirl is that the folks at WB think one is a good movie, and the other isn't.

No, the difference is that the folks at WBD think that one will make money, and the other won’t. It is left up to the reader to ponder why they might think that and whether they might be correct.
posted by Etrigan at 9:39 PM on August 11 [11 favorites]


Get Grant Gustin.

The one area Marvel has DC totally beat is consistent casting across across their properties (not counting the Sony stuff). DC could learn a thing or two from that. .
posted by JustSayNoDawg at 11:30 PM on August 11 [6 favorites]


I do hope they make a massive loss on it, and it makes studios think twice about hiring one of these known awful people as their star in the future. It absolutely should not happen.
posted by ambrosen at 12:37 AM on August 12 [4 favorites]


Neither of my kids like movies at all, seems they just do not have the attention span for this sort of long form thing.
posted by Meatbomb at 1:53 AM on August 12 [1 favorite]


The movie isn’t due out for almost a year. That’s plenty of time for the star to get treatment for whatever is going on (Mental illness? Drugs? Both?), salvage their life and career, and still release the movie - now with the added publicity bonus of a star that’s been in the news a lot and is getting sympathy and compassion for whatever turns out to be going on.
posted by MexicanYenta at 2:11 AM on August 12


I want to start a petition to have Tig Notaro be the go-to replacement for any problematic cast member that needs to be removed from a movie mid-way through production. Doesn't matter the role - last year, the 2021 production of A Christmas Carol at Ford's Theater featured a Tiny Tim played by a 6-foot-plus 30-year-old gentleman and it worked brilliantly, so with the addition of a movie's ability to employ CGI edits this can absolutely fit.

Bonus points if she replaces more than one character in the same movie.
posted by mystyk at 4:35 AM on August 12 [32 favorites]


The Flash movie is an adaptation of Geoff John’s Flashpoint storyline in the comics. Flashpoint also directly led to the New 52, which also turned out to be a disaster for DC, and took them years to clean up.

So obviously, the solution to all this mess is to travel back and time and prevent Geoff Johns from writing Flashpoint in the first place.
posted by 1970s Antihero at 4:39 AM on August 12 [5 favorites]


I hope that Ezra Miller gets whatever treatment they need, before or after jail time, for their sake and the sake of anyone they meet.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:40 AM on August 12 [6 favorites]


Get Grant Gustin.

I'm not an actor or anywhere near showbiz, but I can't imagine what it must like to successfully portray a character for years and then be passed over for a complete asshole simply because they're a "film" star and the movies are considered to be a completely different product than the television series.

There have been several popular shows based on DC properties, why not just make movies based on them? Why continue to dunk on television casts and crews as somehow being inferior and not capable of filling the space of a blockbuster?

Imagine how different and awful things would have been if Star Trek had made the leap to film, but instead of using the same actors from the television series they recast everyone.......oh wait.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 4:46 AM on August 12 [19 favorites]


The main difference between The Flash, and Batgirl is that the folks at WB think one is a good movie, and the other isn't.

Movies ask us to suspend our disbelief, but buying into the idea that DC have quality control is asking too much.
posted by biffa at 5:03 AM on August 12 [23 favorites]


It seems like there were a number of opportunities to stop Miller from harming others before they were finally arrested for, of all things, burglary. Just another reminder that the rich and famous are subject to a different set of laws than the rest of us.
posted by tommasz at 5:06 AM on August 12 [3 favorites]


Aren’t the DC tv shows also a notoriously dangerous filming environment, with scant regard for the safety of actors or crew?
posted by The River Ivel at 5:07 AM on August 12


No one has possessed Ezra Miller’s ability to suddenly appear in random places, commit crimes, then somehow escape any real consequences since Macavity from the musical CATS

What, are we just ignoring Donald Trump now?

...

Actually, yeah, okay, sign me up for that.
posted by Naberius at 5:13 AM on August 12 [4 favorites]


The thing is, though, that I can say "movies were better when I was a kid",

I agree with ChurchHatesTucker. Back when movies were shot and distributed on film, they were shorter, so if it was a turkey, it was probably no longer than 100 minutes including credits.
posted by mikelieman at 5:34 AM on August 12 [3 favorites]


I'm really not a fan of Flashpoint. I don't like "hero goes back in time to fix something, making everything worse for everyone" while villains have been doing that for ages, with few side effects.
Also, isn't the Arrowverse a different production company? I get the feeling that Hollywood is very much "not invented here," so using actors from another, successful, version would credit someone else, and be frowned upon.
posted by Spike Glee at 6:27 AM on August 12


Bonus points if she replaces more than one character in the same movie.

Choose any movie. Replace all the characters with muppets except for one. The last human gets replaced with Tig Notaro.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:38 AM on August 12 [27 favorites]


Bonus points if she replaces more than one character in the same movie.

I'm ready for a remake of Kind Hearts and Coronets in which Tig Notaro plays all the Alec Guinness roles.

Or maybe Being Tig Notaro?
posted by Ben Trismegistus at 6:50 AM on August 12 [7 favorites]


Tig Notaro seems like the ideal person for any Muppet production -- any human that works opposite the Muppets perform best 'straight', as if they don't realize their fellow performers are Muppets, and Tig seems like she'd be great at that.
posted by AzraelBrown at 6:58 AM on August 12 [18 favorites]


Whatever Miller is going through involves physically attacking multiple women. Even if there is a subsequent diagnosis, is that the kind of thing that a person can shake off in a year's time PR-wise?
posted by Selena777 at 7:20 AM on August 12 [8 favorites]


Hell, sub in Michael Rosenbaum, he's experienced. Except the Dini-Timm DC is on the opposite pole from the joyless, airless, turgid movies DC.
posted by praemunire at 7:21 AM on August 12 [4 favorites]


Entertainment press is suggesting Warners is considering killing The Flash as a worst-case-scenario kind of option now. (The linked article spells it out to be more of a concrete plan than just "okay I guess if we REALLY had to we would" mealy-mouthed thing.)

And another option people are suggesting to replace Miller is - Elliot Page.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:21 AM on August 12 [9 favorites]


Look, someone said Tig Notaro Muppet Movie, and now I'm not leaving until this happens.
posted by xedrik at 7:24 AM on August 12 [36 favorites]


Couple of things WRT Batgirl and WBD's quote-endquote strategy. (Note: these are rumors and I don't have solid sources for them, but you can find articles that are discussing them nonetheless.) One is that Batgirl is being used as a tax writeoff; unfortunately, that means that it can never be released in any medium. Another is that David Zaslav has packed WBD's board with white bros who basically go along with whatever he wants. So, yeah, the "the folks at WB think one is a good movie, and the other isn't" thing doesn't take into account purely mercenary decisions about whatever Zaslav thinks will make money, and he may be banking that people will go see the Flash movie just to see how freaky Miller is on the screen.
posted by Halloween Jack at 7:29 AM on August 12


I would totally be down for Under A Rock with Tig Notaro: Miss Piggy
posted by Sparx at 8:01 AM on August 12 [3 favorites]


Ezra Miller is obviously not well and a pretty erratic, dangerous person. Everyone here saying that is correct and I am certain is coming from a clear, fair viewpoint on that.

The thing is, I kind of hate a lot of the coverage of this elsewhere/in general because of the barely contained glee that a nonbinary person might be grooming/taking advantage of younger people. Miller is just super-convenient for toxic beliefs picking up steam right now. I worry their public prominence is overshadowing the extent to which they seem to be an outlier and not some kind of illustrative example.

I do 100% support the notion that Miller is a toxic, dangerous person. I guess I'm saying I am pessimistic about some of the public "concern" for this case, as it often seems motivated more by the desire to anoint a nonbinary boogeyperson than out of legitimate concern for anyone involved.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:02 AM on August 12 [19 favorites]


Why would I ever pay to go the cinema to watch new movies?

We just like to go to the movies. We've seen something like 30 films in the theater in the last 12 months, it's always been our main form of recreation.
posted by octothorpe at 8:04 AM on August 12 [7 favorites]


Why would I ever pay to go the cinema to watch new movies?

So they keep making movies? There are plenty of excellent theaters with excellent theater experiences, there are also a lot of crap theaters. I've seen Nope and Bullet Train at the IMAX screen in my city and it's just... awe-inspiring. It's so cool. And the seats are really spread out, huge tiers so nothing is ever obstructed in the slightest. It's awesome.

And my wife and I found a really old school theater we watch tons of indie movies at. Men, X, The Northman were all super fun date nights. We love doing that every few weeks. We're usually the only people in the theater, maybe another couple or two. Very chill, lots of fun.

I do now own a 77" LG G2 ($Texas) TV as the IMAX inspired me to upgrade so as far as the 40 degree field of viewing for normal cinema experiences, I can do that at home now. It's cool. Really cool.
posted by OnTheLastCastle at 8:06 AM on August 12 [5 favorites]


motivated more by the desire to anoint a nonbinary boogeyperson than out of legitimate concern for anyone involved.

Strong agree; that sentiment seems only barely-disguised in a lot of the coverage, and it's frankly disturbing how many news outlets are doing it.
posted by aramaic at 8:09 AM on August 12 [7 favorites]


Why would I ever pay to go the cinema to watch new movies?

I dunno. The dark. The sound. The largeness. It's not necessary for every movie, but , like, "Nope" looked absolutely breathtaking on the big screen.

(I love going to the movies.)
posted by thivaia at 8:16 AM on August 12 [14 favorites]


The lead on a $200m+ movie doesn't usually keep assaulting/breaking other laws in a seemingly non-stop spree over the course of a year+. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, news writes about it because it's news.

edit: Like what coverage seems problematic? I would like to see an example of it so we can address it.
posted by OnTheLastCastle at 8:17 AM on August 12 [3 favorites]


I'm legitimately feeling fairly sure that Ezra Miller will stab/shoot/severely hurt/kill someone within the next six months after reading all of this horrible stuff they keep doing. As they said on Criminal Minds a billion times over, they're "devolving," or escalating. Oh, and on the video I'm watching now*, just as I finished writing this, the person said, "Think of how many women Ezra Miller can abuse by this time next year." Which is what I'm thinking too, unfortunately. This isn't something you can come back from even if Ezra wanted to shape up, which as far as I can tell, they do not.

* I won't be linking to any of the ones I've seen because they are all making...commentary...about the pronouns.
posted by jenfullmoon at 8:46 AM on August 12 [1 favorite]


Why would I ever pay to go the cinema to watch new movies?

Some kinds of movies (horror, action) are just more fun with an audience to share reactions with. Also, the closest theater to me is fairly new and has recliner seating, so all in all it's a pretty comfy way to take in a film. (I do not partake of, uh, substances better than candy, so I don't feel the loss in not being able to get high while watching.)

I hate to say it, but most of your ethical concerns apply to every other industry, so if you're going to be that purist about it, you're going to have to give up entertainment.
posted by praemunire at 9:34 AM on August 12 [7 favorites]


When it comes to these mega-budget blockbusters, maybe studios could do away with actors altogether and use CGI. They already have the resources to do it.
posted by abraxasaxarba at 10:54 AM on August 12


When it comes to these mega-budget blockbusters, maybe studios could do away with actors altogether and use CGI. They already have the resources to do it.

Picking a best animated feature is already complicated.
posted by Going To Maine at 12:12 PM on August 12


“That’s plenty of time for the star to get treatment for whatever is going on (Mental illness? Drugs? Both?), salvage their life and career..”

Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 1:49 PM on August 12 [1 favorite]




Mod note: Ezra Miller uses they/them pronouns.
posted by Eyebrows McGee (staff) at 8:33 AM on August 13 [5 favorites]


Another thing about the canned Batgirl movie: It was directed by Adil El Arbi and Bilall Fallah, who worked on the recent Ms. Marvel series. So, if you wanted something like that, but in a movie-length story, sorry. (I'm sure that they'll find other work, they're very good. But still.)
posted by Halloween Jack at 6:51 PM on August 13 [1 favorite]


And another option people are suggesting to replace Miller is - Elliot Page.

I certainly hope Elliot Page is classier than to bail them out of this M$200 mess.
posted by Iteki at 12:28 PM on August 14 [5 favorites]


Ezra Miller Issues Apology, Has Entered Treatment for 'Complex Mental Health Issues'

Welp, I hope this keeps them out of trouble at the very fucking least. And away from teenagers.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:12 PM on August 15 [2 favorites]


Ezra and agent emerge from the oubliette to apologize in person. Note this quote:

While the actor is said to not have minded the stream of bad headlines, they were spooked by the notion of the film getting canceled and jolted to take action. Says one source: “They care about The Flash. It’s one of their favorite characters to play.”

Because priorities!
posted by jenfullmoon at 5:43 PM on August 26 [1 favorite]




Boy, is that ever a "smooth move, Ex-Lax" if ever there was one.
posted by jenfullmoon at 11:45 AM on August 31 [1 favorite]


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