Some dispute over T-shirt sales
September 21, 2022 2:30 PM   Subscribe

 
(I stayed away from Ministry for entirely too long as I saw this single in the record stores and was convince they were Christian Rock. How wrong I was.)
posted by a non mouse, a cow herd at 2:31 PM on September 21 [13 favorites]


I had a "Jesus Built My Hot Rod" t-shirt, and more than once, I had Evangelical Christians approach me and ask to know more about my "ministry."
posted by vibrotronica at 2:39 PM on September 21 [28 favorites]


Ministry: These are sensations as hard to forget as they are to ignore.
posted by The Tensor at 2:42 PM on September 21 [14 favorites]


convinced they were Christian Rock

You have been found guilty of covenants with the devil. State your confession.

Confess! Confess!
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 2:43 PM on September 21 [4 favorites]


I chalked "Jesus Built My Hotrod" on the side of my Humvee in the Army. I was told to remove that in no uncertain terms.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 2:44 PM on September 21 [29 favorites]


more than once, I had Evangelical Christians approach me and ask to know more about my "ministry."

I had a similar experience with my copy of The Full-Custom Gospel Sounds of The Reverend Horton Heat, but I can't really blame 'em for that one.
posted by echo target at 2:51 PM on September 21 [11 favorites]


A few weeks ago a KEXP DJ said on air that he was once told told something like "Ministry is the soundtrack of Seattle turning off the radio" by their station manager, and I can't stop thinking about it. Such a great line in that it wasn't intended to be a compliment for the band necessarily but if they'd heard it they absolutely would have printed it up on a t-shirt to sell in Seattle and it would have sold out
posted by potrzebie at 3:01 PM on September 21 [25 favorites]


God, Ministry. I loved them intensely in high school and will occasionally still listen to them with fondness. Saw them live once in the late 90s and it was crushingly disappointing; low energy and clearly not having a great time which I still put down to being the last date on a long tour.

They do have several great tracks but Jesus Built My Hot Rod is truly something special and this story just adds to my enjoyment of it.
posted by slimepuppy at 3:02 PM on September 21 [3 favorites]


What the hell is going on? I heard on NPR (I think or maybe KFJC) the story of this record yesterday. I had some doubts about its veracity so I grabbed Al Jourgensen‘s autobiography (haven’t read it yet) off the shelf and looked it up. It’s true. And now this posting here. I recommend the video.
posted by njohnson23 at 3:05 PM on September 21 [2 favorites]




I finally remembered where I saw it. A similar post on Boing Boing. Still didn’t believe it until I looked it up. Brilliant.
posted by njohnson23 at 3:13 PM on September 21 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I pulled from Boing Boing. But, the FAQ implies via is not only not necessary but discouraged.
posted by a non mouse, a cow herd at 3:21 PM on September 21 [1 favorite]


I stayed away from Ministry for entirely too long as I saw this single in the record stores and was convince they were Christian Rock.

Yeah? Well I, an aficionado of Christian Rock bought their album because I thought they were Christian Rock. How wrong I was!

(Just kidding.

But I own a copy of this album on CD which includes as hidden bonus track a completely straight-up reading of Psalm 69. Alas, that's missing from the YouTube video.

It's kind of odd. I was (and still am) into Skinny Puppy (including Rabies), KMFDM, Nine Inch Nails, Pig, and a whole lot of other 90s Industrial but I kept bouncing off Ministry until Dark Side of the Spoon. Only then did I start "getting" their earlier stuff. So now I'm trying to backfill my collection, long after the CDs have disappeared from the used CD stores.)
posted by suetanvil at 3:27 PM on September 21 [6 favorites]


Thanks, that was fun. Ministry rules, and I haven't heard that song a long time.
posted by Dr. Wu at 3:28 PM on September 21 [1 favorite]


I still play tracks from their "The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste" but that's all I know of the band

is that a weaker album? good, average? "Thieves" and "So What" are just so good
posted by elkevelvet at 3:31 PM on September 21 [6 favorites]


is that a weaker album? good, average? "Thieves" and "So What" are just so good

That’s a FANTASTIC album. I like it more than Psalm.

A few weeks ago a KEXP DJ said on air that he was once told told something like "Ministry is the soundtrack of Seattle turning off the radio" by their station manager,

potrzebie, do you remember which DJ, or possibly when? I’d love to go listen to that on the streaming archive. Such a great anecdote.
posted by Special Agent Dale Cooper at 3:42 PM on September 21 [5 favorites]


is that a weaker album? good, average? "Thieves" and "So What" are just so good

My completely subjective and probably empirically wrong Ministry album rankings:
Psalm 69
The Land of Rape and Honey
In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up (live album, largely tracks from...)
The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste
12 Inch Singles (two tracks stand out, including that one (bop bop))
Filth Pig
Dark Side of the Spoon
With Sympathy

...and I kind of packed it in after DSotS, so maybe there's some good stuff later on, but I wouldn't know.

While we're at it, I'd rank almost any Skinny Puppy album or Nine Inch Nails album up to Year Zero duking it out in slots higher than In Case..., any early Front Line Assembly midway between In Case... and Mind, pretty much all KMFDM a slot higher than Front Line Assembly. And now I am off to see if my feelings about Nitzer Ebb or Die Krupps have changed at all.
posted by Shepherd at 3:44 PM on September 21 [8 favorites]


this whole thread tickles a nerve, thanks.
posted by djseafood at 3:54 PM on September 21


Are we just sharing Ministry anecdotes? I made a new friend in 2014 who one day offhandedly mentioned that the x-ray image on Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste was of his very own skull! I almost passed out with excitement.
posted by Krawczak at 4:04 PM on September 21 [28 favorites]


>>they released Jesus Built My Hotrod as a single that November. (1991).... By early summer of 1992...the single had sold 130,000 copies. And it kept on selling.

I was one of those college kids who bought that single, still have it somewhere. Nirvana's Nevermind had just released two months earlier and if they get credit for "killing" hair bands, then this single gets credit for kicking dirt over the bodies and driving over them.

In the circles I ran in, Nirvana was background noise on the radio, cool enough, but we didn't buy the album.

This song got better the louder you played it and tapped into a real sense that something new was around the corner.
posted by jeremias at 4:04 PM on September 21 [3 favorites]


I chalked "Jesus Built My Hotrod" on the side of my Humvee in the Army. I was told to remove that in no uncertain terms.

I'd imagine that replacing it with "What we are looking at is good and evil/Right and wrong/A new world order," or just simply, "HERE COMES THE N.W.O." would've (aside from appearing insubordinate) been a bit on the nose, or at least fodder for the conspiracy theorists of the day.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 4:08 PM on September 21 [3 favorites]


I met Al Jourgensen at Lollapalooze 1992, Charlotte, NC. I was 15. I conned my way backstage without resorting to any female wiles. Al Jourgensen was talking to a pair of crusties that hitchhiked down from Detroit, gesticulating wildly. He stepped back, stepped on my combat boot, stopped and turned around, said, "Oh shit I'm so sorry" and then carried on with his story.
posted by Kitteh at 4:13 PM on September 21 [18 favorites]


I saw them on tour a bunch, starting with Mind(famously captured on the In Case You Didn’t feel Like Showing Up VHS,fence and all), but had been introduced to them via Everyday, via Skinny Puppy, who are obviously on top.

That said, the were second last on the bill at the second Lolla and we’re so fucking loud, and the crows was so raw and intense (and likely dangerous). Two drummers (Bill Reiflin RIP), several guitarists, Al screaming his head off, Chris Connelly in a kilt ranging. The Red Hot Chili things were on next and sounded, well, weak.

Thieves is sampled by PWEI on Everything’s Cool, which makes me happy.
posted by grimley at 4:13 PM on September 21 [6 favorites]




I saw Stigmata on MTV 120 Minutes and it knocked my young socks off. I had no fucking idea what I had just seen but I knew I wanted more of it. Two weeks later I was listening to Skinny Puppy. After a month, Nurse With Wound, Foetus, Missing Foundation. Mission accomplished, Al, mission accomplished.
posted by gwint at 4:30 PM on September 21 [7 favorites]


I too saw Ministry live in the '90s and was bitterly disappointed; a deeply lame show where the lights literally came on at 10 PM and the band vanished. I get the feeling that Al doesn't enjoy performing as much as he enjoys being Al, which I totally get. I don't really rate anything they've done in this century, but those three good albums are extremely, extremely good.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 4:39 PM on September 21 [3 favorites]


I’ve got a Ministry anecdote: the bookstore at the Christian college I attended was hilariously selling one of their albums, The Land of Rape and Honey, with absolutely zero other secular music, way back in 1991. I’m still a Christian, and I still love (early) Ministry.
posted by saintjoe at 4:55 PM on September 21 [6 favorites]


I too saw Ministry live in the '90s and was bitterly disappointed;

I had an opposite experience in 1992, Lollapalooza, Vancouver, Thunderbird Stadium, pouring rain. Ministry were incendiary that day. Definitely in my all time top ten or so live music experiences. Of course, I did have acid in my veins ...

None of the other bands on the bill (Pearl Jam, Jesus and Mary Chain, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Soundgarden etc) came close.
posted by philip-random at 5:05 PM on September 21 [4 favorites]


Did you say you like early Ministry?
posted by The Power Nap at 5:06 PM on September 21 [4 favorites]


A notable feature of the more earnest Canadian media coverage that accompanied Tisdale, Saskatchewan changing its town slogan was that it failed to reference Ministry at all.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:40 PM on September 21 [1 favorite]


Jesus Built My Hotrod CHRISTIANS REACT!!


Can't wait until they hear The Jesus Lizard...
posted by a non mouse, a cow herd at 5:49 PM on September 21 [6 favorites]


(Bill Reiflin RIP)

He was a super nice guy despite looking grumpy af behind the drums. I miss him
posted by scruss at 6:07 PM on September 21 [2 favorites]


My first Ministry was Twitch, I was a college freshman theater student and a shaggy senior lighting tech walked up to me, pulled his walkman headphones off his head and put them on my ears. It was transformative.

Also I second the sentiment above that Jesus Built My Hotrod only gets better with volume. I've yet to discover "too loud" for the track, and I've tried.
posted by calamari kid at 6:23 PM on September 21 [3 favorites]


Jesus Built My Hotrod only gets better with volume. I've yet to discover "too loud" for the track, and I've tried.

Science is real: I, too, have sought to find a volume where that song is too loud and I have yet to reach it.
posted by wenestvedt at 6:40 PM on September 21 [7 favorites]


Saw them live once in the late 90s and it was crushingly disappointing; low energy and clearly not having a great time which I still put down to being the last date on a long tour.


I think they’re one of those bands who show energy varies a lot. Saw them twice, 1st time was amazing, whole place went batshit insane during Thieves. Second time was very ordinary.
posted by WaterAndPixels at 6:46 PM on September 21 [2 favorites]


My completely subjective and probably empirically wrong Ministry album rankings:

[all the other albums]
...
With Sympathy


I am not a Ministry fan (which is not to say that people shouldn't be!) but I am of the age to only have really known of them only through the title of their album Filth Pig.

During the first year of the pandemic, my partner and I decided to do a thing where we put together a list of a bunch of notable albums for each year, starting in 1965 and working our way to the present, trying to expose ourselves to a wide variety of music while also not having to decide what to listen to each day as we worked from home in close quarters. We used a bunch of lists to make these playlists but we also used Wikipedia's list of albums released each year.

We got to 1983 and With Sympathy by Ministry was in the list of albums released that year and I was like, "Okay, I've heard of this band before but I know nothing about them other than they're, like, IDK, metal? Industrial? We're learning new things let's give them a try." And we put them on and I lost it when the album started playing and it was like new-wave-y synth pop. I now like to tell people it's my favourite Ministry album just to mess with them.

I also loved looking up what Al Jourgenson looked like in 1983 compared to his later look.
posted by urbanlenny at 7:47 PM on September 21 [7 favorites]


I am in this weird kind of liminal space, where the Chicago industrial scene was simultaneously the background music of my life, but the essential nature of all of my friends' lives.

To wit: My best friend, who is my housemate and platonic life partner, is going to the annual Chicago Cold Waves festival this weekend (which features all kinds of old school industrial even if not actually anything by Al Jourgensen this particular year), and a friend of hers is visiting from out of town in order to go to the shows, and I bask in the reflected glory and passion, but it isn't my thing so much particularly in person.

And yet it is important to me in my own way, but not with the same kind of immediacy or passion. I went to a Cold Waves night several years ago (a friend couldn't make the night, but Front 242 was playing, so I was like fuck yeah). I felt like I didn't quite belong, even though I'd been a regular at Neo (may it rest in piece) since 1996, but I had never felt like it was as essential to me as it was to all the other people who were there at that night rocking it out.

For any who might be going to Cold Waves this weekend, I hope you represent in whatever fashion suits you, and you find fulfilment in whatever way you desire.
posted by notoriety public at 8:03 PM on September 21 [5 favorites]


I'll never forget Maximum Rock And Roll's one-sentence review of "Land of Rape and Honey." "Ministry atones for past sins against the recording industry."
posted by abraxasaxarba at 8:19 PM on September 21 [6 favorites]


RIP Neo. I was never a regular there. My dancing days as a feckless youth in Chicago were given to Medusa, since it was all ages. Ministry was a staple there and that’s where my memories go. I never picked up on Ministry or other similar bands outside of dancing the fuck out of them when I was an under 21 youth.
posted by ursus_comiter at 10:02 PM on September 21 [3 favorites]


The old slogan has come under attack in recent years, with complaints raised by people unaware as to the meaning of “rape” in the slogan.

Confession Time: I was one of those unaware people until September of 2022.
posted by The Tensor at 11:14 PM on September 21 [1 favorite]


bonded over a bag of magic mushrooms at a Holiday Inn

Y'all can go on with your music nostalgia but this line is the true nineties.
posted by srboisvert at 1:40 AM on September 22 [5 favorites]



Did you say you like early Ministry?

Thank you, The Power Nap! My memories of Ministry were from this era. I was working at a very small club that called itself a punk rock club on Long Island, and Ministry played there so often I felt like they were the house band. Two of the other cocktail waitresses were in competition for who could hook up with Al, I don't know if either of them ever did. But I will always know them as a poppy new wave group with a lead singer who faked a british accent when he sang. I owned the 'with sympathy' cassette and listen to it on high rotation back then.

So swing round about 30 years or so, and one of the bartenders from my basement bar on the LES (where I've held a Mefi meetup or two) leaves to go be part of Ministry. If I recall he played bass, I may be mistaken about that though. What I do recall is that he took his gf (who was also a bartender there) with him to El Paso where Ministry was in the process of recording an album. They didn't last long down there because in their words the "whole situation was a raging shitshow and Al was fucking insane" and they both came back to their bartending jobs a couple of months later.
posted by newpotato at 1:46 AM on September 22 [3 favorites]


On Fark in the mid-2000s, the guy from Die Warzau used to be an active member, always having an interesting story of touring or just coming up through the Chicago industrial scene with Ministry, Pigface, etc. The Holiday Inn mushroom story would fit right in.
posted by dr_dank at 4:00 AM on September 22


While we're at it, I'd rank...

Skinny Puppy, almost everything up through Last Rights
FLA, Tactical Neural Implant
NIN, The Fragile
FLA, Millenium / Hard Wired
NIN, Downward Spiral / Broken / Fixed
Skinny Puppy, The Process
FLA, up through Caustic Grip
KMFDM, early 90s
Skinny Puppy, Greater Wrong and later
FLA, after Hard Wired
NIN, Pretty Hate Machine

(And even the bottom of that list is still mostly enjoyable when I'm in the mood for it.)

Back in the day I had trouble finding Ministry or Nitzer Ebb in record stores. I had Twitch and That Total Age, which I'd rank somewhere around the "KMFDM early 90s" level I guess.
posted by Foosnark at 5:23 AM on September 22 [1 favorite]


1) "I felt like I didn't quite belong, even though I'd been a regular at Neo"

When I attended the first Cold Waves concert, I told a buddy that it felt like I was having a good time at somebody else's class reunion.

2) Since the early '90s, I've seen Ministry perform several times in Chicago and every time was disappointing. I presume that it's because this stop features too many of Al's old friends who are all too eager to get him wasted af as soon as he rolls into town. He always seemed to be coming down on stage.

3) Still crank it up when listening to Jesus, etc. (Most of the remixes are well worth seeking out, as well.)
posted by MrJM at 7:33 AM on September 22 [2 favorites]


I know where Gibby Haynes lives...
posted by AJaffe at 8:34 AM on September 22


I've got a "Jesus Built My Hot Rod" story for all of you...

So, I've been doing competitive air guitar as a hobby for the past twelve years. This past year, after my gender transition, I changed up my entire stage persona and performed a 1 minute edit of "Jesus Built My Hot Rod" at the 2022 US Air Guitar as the SistAir of Mercy. My performance was enough to put me in first place after the first round and I wound up winning a spot at the US Air Guitar National Championships in Portland. I didn't win in Portland, but I performed the same track there, and at the Air Guitar World Championships Dark Horse Qualifier in Oulu, Finland.

I can't say Jesus did much for me, but Uncle Al helped me at least win a spot in my first US Air Guitar National Championship, and I'm grateful for that.

I just wish he'd give With Sympathy more love. It's actually a really good record!
posted by SansPoint at 8:46 AM on September 22 [16 favorites]


I know where Gibby Haynes lives…

In our hearts forevermore?
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 9:54 AM on September 22 [6 favorites]


When I attended the first Cold Waves concert, I told a buddy that it felt like I was having a good time at somebody else's class reunion.

I suppose I might have seen it that way, if I hadn’t been prepared by attending many years of actual Neo anniversary parties, which had major “20 year class reunion” vibes, at least until about midnight or so. The pro move was not to get there until after midnight, for two reasons: 1) it took forever to get drinks early on, because old people can drink; and 2) they all cleared out by midnight because old people cannot hang. No staying power.

Being almost another decade on now since those days, I am looking at that from the other side now. I, too, can now drink a hell of a lot more than I used to. And I, too, can no longer hang like I used to. Midnight is late, man!
posted by notoriety public at 11:21 AM on September 22 [1 favorite]


Shepherd: "My completely subjective and probably empirically wrong Ministry album rankings: "

Everything about this is 100% correct.
posted by 40 Watt at 12:21 PM on September 22 [2 favorites]


Around 2007-08 my wife and I had a fun time watching teenagers discover industrial music. Their minds were blown that some normal looking people in their 30's knew who Nine Inch Nails were. Especially when we pointed out that we got into them when we were in high school almost 20 years earlier and had seen them in concert multiple times.

My wife was the volunteer coordinator for a non-profit at the time and she was running a volunteer training/intro session. Two of the people were a middle aged woman and son who was trying to look "edgy" like teenaged boys can do, black clothes, make-up, genre appropriate t-shirt etc...

Before the meeting he was telling his mom that they needed to leave at a certain time because he was going to the Ministry concert. My wife in business professional clothing hears this and chimes in, "Al Jourgensen is still touring? Good for him." You have never seen a boy deflate faster.
posted by Badgermann at 12:23 PM on September 22 [14 favorites]


Heh - thanks for reminding me mandolin conspiracy - everytime I would drive past Tisdale on the Trans-Canada, I would crank the tune... Much to the dismay of my partner and kids.

(Many, many Ministry tracks have ALWAYS been on my portable music devices - and ALWAYS will be - I don't know which horrified my captive passengers more, Industrial - or 'humour'... The Arrogant Worms, Wierd Al, Christine Lavin - my "shuffle all songs" is very very eclectic)
posted by rozcakj at 12:51 PM on September 22 [2 favorites]


The Arrogant Worms

Ha. So on a drive through Newfoundland your passengers would inevitably hear this one?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 1:02 PM on September 22 [1 favorite]


I know where Gibby Haynes lives...

in a van down by the river, I imagine
posted by philip-random at 1:27 PM on September 22 [3 favorites]


Shepherd: "My completely subjective and probably empirically wrong Ministry album rankings: "

No 'Twitch'? For shame.
posted by Jessica Savitch's Coke Spoon at 3:16 PM on September 22


I've always felt that Stigmata is the Ministry track for which there is no volume limit, but Jesus Built My Hotrod is fine. Psalm 69 overall is still a solid and modern sounding album today. I sort of LOL about the New World Order stuff that QAnon hits on today - like they totally missed Ministry back in the day.
posted by The_Vegetables at 3:25 PM on September 22 [4 favorites]


Live:
I saw them at Lolla. It was a good show. It did largely seem like they were doing it for the paycheck, but it was entertaining.

Saw them a couple of months later in "Mammoth Events Center" in Denver which boasted a 4,000 person capacity. They brought their a-game (for like, $20 a ticket it or something? Ridiculously cheap.) Bill was rounded out by Sepultura and Helmet, so they may have not wanted to be blown off the stage by the opening acts.

in case you didn't fell like showing up is awesome, but really need the VHS cut which had the crazy drum intro from Bill Rieflin and Martin Atkins.

Albums:
Could get roasted for this, but I think they should have cut two to three songs off the end of each album that I've listened to. And, it was always the songs at the end of the album.

I would go:

Mind
Psalm 69
In case you didn't feel...
Rape and Honey (pretty much for Stigmata)

and all the rest where ever y'all want. Oh. Maybe include Filth Pig after Rape and Honey.

Yes, clearly, their goth stage was not for me. And, then what I heard from them after seemed to go towards thrash/speed metal and I haven't really followed them in a while. (I had heard they had broken up, and I have not zealously followed music like I did in my teens and 20s.)

Side projects/related projects:

Anyone want a go at that? How do you rate Pailhead, Pigface, 1000 H DJs, RevCo, etc.?

(That could be derailing my own post...)
posted by a non mouse, a cow herd at 4:55 PM on September 22 [2 favorites]


I actually didn't follow most 90s Industrial Music very much, I really should have because I came from a post-punk + experimental/electronic background, but around that time my tastes started veering more ambient/weird-jazz + modern-classical.

So having said that, I've rarely listened to The Ministry except for their masterpiece, the subject of discussion here today: It's a pure awesome rush, a rare punk/rockabilly/harmony-of-the-spheres artifact for future generations to behold. Also, the drumming is wonderful.
posted by ovvl at 5:52 PM on September 22 [2 favorites]


A few weeks ago a KEXP DJ said on air that he was once told told something like "Ministry is the soundtrack of Seattle turning off the radio" by their station manager, and I can't stop thinking about it. Such a great line in that it wasn't intended to be a compliment for the band necessarily but if they'd heard it they absolutely would have printed it up on a t-shirt to sell in Seattle and it would have sold out

There can be no doubt of this. It’s basically exactly the story of how he named his next band 1000 Homo DJs
posted by churl at 6:20 PM on September 22


I guess I should be unsurprised that MeFi is full of Ministry fans.

For me it was hearing Stigmata on the soundtrack of the weird and wonderful 90s cyberpunk film Hardware that introduced me to Ministry, I think, and then very soon after, Psalm 69 came out and I was definitely hooked. For my money, The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste, Psalm 69, and The Land of Rape and Honey, in that order, are probably their best albums, and Psalm 69 is probably the most commercial and listenable, at least the first half, the first five tracks are just straight bangers. With Sympathy is kind of interesting and not bad, Filth Pig has a few tracks I enjoy, and apart from that, it's mostly not that great. Oh, and the 12 Inch Singles has some great tracks too, I haven't listened to that one in ages, although I used to own it.

I also enjoy several of the side projects, Revolting Cocks are pretty great, the first album is a masterpiece. Lard is also good, their "Forkboy", which was on the Natural Born Killers soundtrack (another soundtrack that introduced me to a lot of new stuff I liked back in the day) is amazing.

It's also worth checking out Butthole Surfers, I used to have at least one album that was very good, but I can't for the life of me remember which one it was.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 7:32 PM on September 22 [1 favorite]


Oh, and I saw Ministry live in the summer of 1996, which would have been the tour for Filth Pig, and that was also pretty great, except for the part where Al Jourgensen tried to kick a roadie who was fixing one of his pedals.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 7:34 PM on September 22


A+ reference to a Butthole Surfers song in the title

boy ha ha that gibby. he sure loves to drink!
posted by Aya Hirano on the Astral Plane at 7:37 AM on September 23 [1 favorite]


I saw them at the old 9:30 Club in DC on The Land of Rape and Honey tour, and they were incredible! One of the Skinny Puppy guys played keyboards, so they did a few SP songs, and also a few Revolting Cocks songs, plus almost the whole album they were touring for. Most people loved it, but there were a few goth kids in the back chanting "Play old stuff!" They didn't play old stuff.
posted by Furnace of Doubt at 7:48 AM on September 23 [2 favorites]


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