Literally Blind Enthusiasm for Crypto
November 6, 2023 3:24 PM   Subscribe

The celebration at the Bored Ape Yacht Club Conference for owners of the NFT left a number of attendees with significant eye injuries from the lasers and black lights used at the dance party. [Edit: non-paywalled report at Variety]
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This rules
posted by Jon_Evil at 3:31 PM on November 6, 2023 [5 favorites]


what if the fyre festival but 2023
posted by allegedly at 3:31 PM on November 6, 2023 [20 favorites]


This post is for members only unborked link?
posted by lalochezia at 3:36 PM on November 6, 2023 [2 favorites]


Well this just adds injury to insult.
posted by mazola at 3:37 PM on November 6, 2023 [32 favorites]


I been blinded. all my sight gone.
posted by The Card Cheat at 3:37 PM on November 6, 2023 [16 favorites]


old warning sticker dropped
posted by lalochezia at 3:37 PM on November 6, 2023 [14 favorites]


web3isgoinggreat link
posted by allegedly at 3:38 PM on November 6, 2023 [13 favorites]


"fixed the post for you"
posted by lalochezia at 3:42 PM on November 6, 2023 [8 favorites]


The story I saw, as not a member I couldn’t see this story, they used hospital grade UV sterilization lights as black lights, like staring into the sun. I think one of the lessons of Covid is, beware of groups. A corollary being, beware of groups centered on what is essentially a scam. Given that the only thought they must have had regarding lights is BRIGHTER THAN A MILLION SUNS!!! Their choice of lasers was probably the same.
posted by njohnson23 at 3:43 PM on November 6, 2023 [7 favorites]


Monkey see, monkey do, monkey not see
posted by chavenet at 3:44 PM on November 6, 2023 [32 favorites]


Ed Zitron, on Bluesky: "Here is @funranium.bsky.social's essential thread about the Bored Ape UV light scandal - Phil is a health physicist/laser safety expert. If you are talking to anyone about it this is the person":

"Having now had a chance to take a look at the likely culprit, assuming a repetition of the previous incident, all I can say is You Completely Irresponsible Fucks." (His guess at the culprit.)

"As noted earlier and attested to by the victims of two incidents at the same damn place, UV-C will scorch your cornea with photokeratitis, a just a fancy way to say sunburn of the eye. ... Putting this lamp in the club certainly would have made things fluoresce, no question there. But it was also slowly roasting everyone's corneas, much like being unprotected on the surface of Mars or the Moon."
posted by MonkeyToes at 3:47 PM on November 6, 2023 [13 favorites]


Bluesky links are only available to members and alternates should be found so everyone can read them.
posted by hippybear at 3:53 PM on November 6, 2023 [36 favorites]


huh, I actually have limits on my ill-wishing and schadenfreude, must be going soft
posted by whuppy at 3:56 PM on November 6, 2023 [31 favorites]


recommend using skyview for bluesky links
posted by BungaDunga at 4:04 PM on November 6, 2023 [14 favorites]


Apologies, hippybear. Tried to give the gist of the thread, and the culprit link is not Bluesky. If anybody knows a workaround, I'm happy to hear about it.

But here is Funranium's thread (sorry for taking up so much screen!): "I am gonna try to very briefly summarize some things which I regularly see journalists and others trip over. For a shorthand, ultraviolet light has been broken into three bands, UV-A (315-400nm), UV-B (280nm-315), and UV-C (100-280nm). Shorter wavelengths than 100nm is ionizing, so X-rays. We don't usually talk about UV-C much because it's easily blocked by our atmosphere and the ozone layer in particular. The ozone layer also helps with UV-B. To remember from physics classes, the shorter your wavelength, the more energy per photon but also the easier it is to run into things. Without that protective layer, life gets tough on Planet Earth as we normally refer to UV-C as "germicidal UV". Oddly enough, it also gets referred to as "skin-safe UV" because your dead layer of skin is enough to stop it from getting to the sensitive germinative skin cells. But not your eyes. Neither do viruses and bacteria. Cell walls and protein sheaths aren't enough to protect them from a UV-C. *Might* be good enough to cope with UV-B, but we don't like to use that for raves as that marries "only slightly less phototoxic than UV-C" to "can penetrate all the way down". Melanoma City. This particular lamp is meant to be mounted in a sterilization unit. The kind of thing where you wheel it into a specially designed surgical suite full of equipment *SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN* such that bleach and UV-C don't cause them to quickly degrade, show the humans out, and run it for an hour. As noted earlier and attested to by the victims of two incidents at the same damn place, UV-C will scorch your cornea with photokeratitis, a just a fancy way to say sunburn of the eye.
If you've had Snow Blindness, you've done it with UV-B. If you've had Welder's Flash, you've done it with UV-C. Because your cornea is highly specialized, transparent, rapidly regenerating skin and it is more sensitive to sunburn than all the rest of your skin. But it also rejuvenates much faster. The eye crusties when you wake up are sloughed off corneal cells. Corneal burns are EXTREMELY uncomfortable. And you are going have very diminished vision because you burnt the transparent thing you look through, ya idgit. We give you protective eyewear for a reason. Except, at a club, this is an out of context problem. IT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. If someone tries to claim this was there for germicidal purposes to protect against $INSERT_PATHOGEN_HERE, go ahead and laugh at them for thinking that would work in any random space, much less one with people in it. We have to do serious planning for germicidal things to make sure it works. Putting this lamp in the club certainly would have made things fluoresce, no question there. But it was also slowly roasting everyone's corneas, much like being unprotected on the surface of Mars or the Moon. On a positive note, unlike what people kept saying as they pointed tweets and articles at me, it wasn't a laser. A pulsed UV laser hit will get you Instant Cataracts as polymerizes the material of your lens like the white of an egg. Other people pointed out UV-C LEDs are a thing now. Yes, they are. But they aren't cheap (yet), have iffy reliability, and not very high power. That will all change with time, so get ready for that I guess.But there is a place I absolutely would have wanted this lamp in the club: the HVAC system. Trying to sterilize surfaces with UV-C pretty much anywhere outside of a surgical suite is dumb. If we want to reduce airborne transmission, we need to do air sterilization. To effectively do that we need lamps powerful enough to work on air flowing through ducts at speed. We do not want to share space with a UV-C air sterilizer because we like to see with our eyeballs. The UV-C equivalent of the little fly killing lamps aren't quite gonna cut it, you're gonna need big fuckers. So, just do it in the HVAC system. Maybe we'll stop having Legionella outbreaks too.

~fin~"
posted by MonkeyToes at 4:08 PM on November 6, 2023 [26 favorites]


huh, I actually have limits on my ill-wishing and schadenfreude, must be going soft

Photokeratitis does sound like it will heal on its own. But yeah, fyre festival is about my limit- having a bad time at a dumb festival is one thing, getting actually injured by irresponsible fuckers is another. If instead they'd all gotten injured in a crowd crush I hope there'd be limited schadenfreude.
posted by BungaDunga at 4:15 PM on November 6, 2023 [6 favorites]


Those party organizers are gonna get sued for all their NFTs! They could lose dozens of dollars!!
posted by saladin at 4:16 PM on November 6, 2023 [38 favorites]


When I first heard about this, it involved a reference to "ape enthusiasts" and in all my innocence I wondered who would wish harm on a bunch of primatologists.

This one I get.
posted by cmyk at 4:31 PM on November 6, 2023 [5 favorites]


The digging we had to do because of the loginwall is nothing compared to the digging people had to do to figure out what Bored Ape Yacht Club's content is really about (YouTube video, 1:02:24 - content warning: racism, descriptions of forced amputations).
posted by BiggerJ at 4:31 PM on November 6, 2023 [4 favorites]


The fact that there are lights that look like "party" lights, but make everyone blind, even temporarily, is horrifiying, and that the crowd had an over-representation of greedy arseholes makes it no less so. If I woke up after a party or concert with a vision impairment I would be terrified. I would absolutely lose my shit and even if it healed normally, I'd probably have both PTSD and be worried for the rest of my life about going blind.

I hope this results in some prison time.
posted by krisjohn at 4:32 PM on November 6, 2023 [29 favorites]


And this is why I wear my sunglasses at night.
posted by Splunge at 4:34 PM on November 6, 2023 [33 favorites]


Okay, Corey.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 4:39 PM on November 6, 2023 [14 favorites]


I think one of the lessons of Covid is, beware of groups
On the other hand, UV-C disinfection can be effective against COVID and many other infectious diseases. I wonder if they accidentally managed to zap some viruses, as well as their own corneas.
posted by mbrubeck at 4:47 PM on November 6, 2023 [3 favorites]


Quite possibly the only event that only spread blindness and not COVID would be something worth noting, I suppose.

At this point, this winter I'm assuming any gathering of more than 5 people indoors for more than a short while is a spreading event. Sort of back to late 2020, really.
posted by hippybear at 4:49 PM on November 6, 2023 [6 favorites]


I am all in favor of delighting in the schadenfreude of watching the implosion/explosion/self-cannibalism/etc of all things 'crypto', but nobody deserves this bullshit. (Also, I cannot believe someone has not already posted "it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye" yet.)

I have learned more about UV from the comments here, which is cool. While I have a smidge of rubbernecking interest, I lack the motivation to watch an hour long video about Bored Ape conspiracy theories, and it unfortunately doesn't look like there's a transcript or even subtitles.
posted by rmd1023 at 4:49 PM on November 6, 2023 [5 favorites]


Apparently no women were harmed at this party because they were not there.
posted by srboisvert at 4:49 PM on November 6, 2023 [56 favorites]


monkey around, f(eye)nd out
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 4:54 PM on November 6, 2023 [2 favorites]


the schadenfreude has burned my corneas.
posted by kaibutsu at 5:44 PM on November 6, 2023 [2 favorites]


> the motivation to watch an hour long video about Bored Ape conspiracy theories, and it unfortunately doesn't look like there's a transcript or even subtitles.

the video draws a lot of its base material from the website gordongoner.com
posted by glonous keming at 6:06 PM on November 6, 2023 [3 favorites]


I will contribute a quick anecdote... I remember one of my friends in university told me about his summer job, installing lighting and laser shows in discotheques. He said that they had to get their installations inspected (by a building inspector?) to make sure that none of the lasers shone below a certain minimum height. That way, no one in the disco could get eye damage from getting hit in the eye by a laser beam. This was in the late 1970s. Laser eye damage caused by club laser light shows is an issue that we have known about for decades, and addressed by, you know, not shining laser beams in people's eyes.
posted by Multicellular Exothermic at 6:11 PM on November 6, 2023 [3 favorites]


What were they celebrating exactly? Hey, those jpegs you spent tons of money on are rapidly losing their value! Let’s party!
posted by misterpatrick at 6:12 PM on November 6, 2023 [3 favorites]


Huh! Phil Broughton (Funranium), who is linked upthread on Bluesky, also posts his rants on his personal site, so if you'd like to read it there, it's:

https://www.funraniumlabs.com/2023/11/ultraviolet-rant/
posted by Myca at 6:26 PM on November 6, 2023 [8 favorites]


Looks like their latest head of social media resigned yesterday over some forgot-to-do-it-as-a-dog-whistle-this-time racist/nazi tweets from his recent past. Just another coincidence, I guess.
posted by nobody at 6:32 PM on November 6, 2023 [9 favorites]


srboisvert : Apparently no women were harmed at this party because they were not there.

There was and she blinded me with SCIENCE!
posted by dr_dank at 7:23 PM on November 6, 2023 [10 favorites]


I guess now they're not just blind to the scammy nonsense of NFTs.
posted by dg at 7:55 PM on November 6, 2023


Wikipedia (@wikipedia@wikis.world)
Please enjoy this 1940s public domain photo used in the article "photokeratitis"


Includes image.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:03 PM on November 6, 2023 [11 favorites]


Adorable image! Not to be missed!
posted by nobody at 8:12 PM on November 6, 2023 [5 favorites]


Having recently watched The Fall of the House of Usher, I can only say that it could've ended worse...
posted by mykescipark at 8:43 PM on November 6, 2023 [5 favorites]


How can I tell that no entertainment or event professionals were involved in this? 🤔
posted by prismatic7 at 8:47 PM on November 6, 2023 [3 favorites]


Do the Bored Ape images have ALT tags?

I'm guessing not.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:59 PM on November 6, 2023 [7 favorites]


I've been physically cringing over every mention of this news because COVID had gotten me into looking up household solutions to install UV-C lights but in the end I decided my personal particularities would make it a bad idea, so those risks were the first thing that jumped out to me. Argh
posted by cendawanita at 9:29 PM on November 6, 2023 [2 favorites]


The tweet I saw first about this read:
Bored Ape Yacht Club
@BoredApeYC

Apes, we are aware of the eye-related issues that affected some of the attendees of ApeFest and have been proactively reaching out to individuals since yesterday to try and find the potential root causes. Based on our estimates, we believe that much less than 1% of those…
From the software-patch-notes-tone I assumed this would be about something like a bug in the code that decides whether their randomized ape pictures have laser beams coming out of the ape's eyes or not.
posted by straight at 9:57 PM on November 6, 2023 [4 favorites]


Although the web3isgoinggreat article has a much better joke:
All this time I thought the lasers were going in the other direction.
posted by straight at 10:00 PM on November 6, 2023 [3 favorites]


Can everyone else read the link? It gives me like one paragraph then a login wall...
posted by Dysk at 11:44 PM on November 6, 2023


> Do the Bored Ape images have ALT tags?
> I'm guessing not.

Bot idea: search for Bored Ape images without alt text, and supply alt text: "ugly, badly drawn ape jpeg"
posted by Pronoiac at 1:07 AM on November 7, 2023 [3 favorites]


Clearly this was run by a bunch of germicidal maniacs
posted by Pronoiac at 1:08 AM on November 7, 2023 [2 favorites]


jwz posted about this with the lede "all my apes are blind", which I hear to the tune of California Dreamin'
posted by Pronoiac at 1:08 AM on November 7, 2023 [9 favorites]


Mod note: added a different, non-paywalled report to the post
posted by taz (staff) at 1:20 AM on November 7, 2023


Aha, why California Dreamin' came to mind: a lament for an ape lost to a scam was put to song. "All my apes are gone..."
posted by Pronoiac at 1:30 AM on November 7, 2023 [2 favorites]


The story I saw, as not a member I couldn’t see this story, they used hospital grade UV sterilization lights as black lights, like staring into the sun

That would be an "Awesome flesh-burning death lamp" then - Let BigClive explain why that might not be such a good idea.
posted by rongorongo at 3:33 AM on November 7, 2023 [5 favorites]


Boy this party sure totally looks worth it for a little casual UV eye damage because wow that's totally off the hook I haven't seen anything that wild and legit since... *falls back asleep and starts snoring immediately*
posted by loquacious at 4:02 AM on November 7, 2023 [11 favorites]


wow that's totally off the hook

It's all the same douchey techbro over and over again. It's like there's one guy just copied and pasted dozens of times with minute changes made to each person and... hey, wait a minute...
posted by Servo5678 at 5:46 AM on November 7, 2023 [13 favorites]


Is it me, or do all these tech bros also have a death wish? Ocean’s Gate et al.
posted by Melismata at 6:16 AM on November 7, 2023 [1 favorite]


The irony of the subject of the story and presenting it with white text on a black background.
posted by NoMich at 6:18 AM on November 7, 2023 [3 favorites]


Hope this isn't a derail, feel free to delete if it is.

Phil Broughton (mentioned above) is a great storyteller and has done a lot of interesting stuff including touring the area around Chernobyl, spent a long winter in Antarctica, tells stories about places even US Marshals aren't supposed to go and rants about laser safety in product that don't seem to care much about laser safety.
posted by ensign_ricky at 7:24 AM on November 7, 2023 [3 favorites]


That would be an "Awesome flesh-burning death lamp" then - Let BigClive explain why that might not be such a good idea.

Big Clive again: The cause of the Bored Ape UVC eye burn incident?
posted by NoMich at 8:30 AM on November 7, 2023 [2 favorites]


Phil also sells an amazing coffee extract called Black Blood of the Earth
posted by whuppy at 8:33 AM on November 7, 2023 [1 favorite]


My prediction: The same thing will happen at next year's conference.
posted by AlSweigart at 8:40 AM on November 7, 2023


Phil's laser safety rant is front page worthy.
posted by Mitheral at 9:24 AM on November 7, 2023 [1 favorite]


"When the time comes to arrest someone on Mars, prior to the planet declaring independence as the Martian Congressional Republic, it’ll be a US Marshal."

Hmmmmmm.....
posted by praemunire at 12:52 PM on November 7, 2023


I had photokeratitis very mildly, once. It felt like my eyes were filled with broken glass. I don't recommend it
posted by scruss at 1:08 PM on November 7, 2023 [5 favorites]


This is entirely what happens when someone says "Dang those union professionals are way too expensive. How hard can it be, anyway? Let's find someone cheap."
posted by ctmf at 10:07 PM on November 7, 2023 [1 favorite]


Big Clive - inundated with messages about his prior video on the subject - makes Bored Ape themed follow up.
posted by rongorongo at 3:26 AM on November 8, 2023 [1 favorite]


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