The Traitor List
February 12, 2003 11:26 AM   Subscribe

The Traitor List. From the straw man while-u-wait department. Remove known sociopaths like Zacarias Moussaoui and Patch Adams from the mix and you get a pretty good list of celebrity activists, with a few politicians for good measure. Anyway, is this site a joke or not? Should actors stay out of politics? And is there something unAmerican about posting images in the right aspect ratio?
posted by condour75 (38 comments total)
Of course it's a joke. And it ain't.
posted by MaxVonCretin at 11:34 AM on February 12, 2003

I'm mostly sure it's a real site, and the author has issues with each of the people listed.

This was more or less covered on 6 February at MeFi, though the link in today's post is a bit more offensive. In fact, it was almost reminiscent of those sites that put up pictures of abortion clinic workers.

This type of link, unfortunately, has led to me kinda seeing MeFi as a downer lately. No offense, but I wish we only posted negative things when there was a real value, and a worthy discussion. Links like this only foster more hatemongering, or highlight the hatemongering of others.
posted by VulcanMike at 11:36 AM on February 12, 2003

Milton Glaser?

Damn you Milton, with your sleek architectural and interior designs, you're making everyone hate america!
posted by mathowie at 11:37 AM on February 12, 2003

Brian Eno

It takes a special breed of British personage to be an American traitor.
posted by machaus at 11:38 AM on February 12, 2003

Jimmy Carter?!?
posted by shagoth at 11:40 AM on February 12, 2003

That's some eloquent political commentary you've found there, condour. I'll respond with an equally eloquent "ptthhhh!" Christ, is it too much to ask for at least brief descriptions of why these people are traitors? It's just a freakin' list of names. I guess if I don't know why these people are traitors, I must be a traitor as well. All this page proves is that the author knows how to use Google Images.

On preview: A joke? Where's the punchline? Are they making fun of` people who would call celebrity activists "traitors"? Or are they trying to make fun of the activists? I don't get the joke; I'm pretty sure they're serious. (I'm also pretty sure they're in high school.)
posted by mr_roboto at 11:40 AM on February 12, 2003

Anyway, is this site a joke or not?

I really doubt it matters any more.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 11:40 AM on February 12, 2003

Make sure to visit the Ari Fleischer tribute page. I'm still weeping tears of solidarity.
posted by machaus at 11:42 AM on February 12, 2003

Ok, so everyone who visits that page hears this .wav file, right? It's not just me, right? And if I'm hearing it correctly, it says, "You're the traitor." So, this nut is accusing everyone who visits his list of traitors a traitor? Genius. Also, I'm amazed at how similar Leslie Cagan and Oliver Stone look. They could be twins!
posted by UrbanFigaro at 11:44 AM on February 12, 2003

A whois lookup shows them as registered through So it could be someone concerned about terr'ists hiding their identity or a big old put on that would be given away by knowing who owns the site. I'm leaning towards the latter, but who can tell these days?
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 11:49 AM on February 12, 2003

That's it you're all on my list, you pinkos!

Why do you all hate America so much?

Seriously, shagoth, Carter is on there for meeting with Castro and for being a pinko Democrat in general I would suspect.
posted by Pollomacho at 11:52 AM on February 12, 2003

I wonder how many of these people were on Nixon's list, or would have been, were they born.
posted by condour75 at 11:57 AM on February 12, 2003

I dunno but I don't think Roma Downey is an American citizen either, Neither are Zacarias Moussaoui or the DC snipers. Plus I think it's repulsive that this person would put someone like Ron Kovic on this list. A person that fought in vietnam so that this idiot could remain free to put this kind of crap on the net.
posted by whirlwind29 at 11:58 AM on February 12, 2003

So, this nut is accusing everyone who visits his list of traitors a traitor?

Urbanfigaro good point but explain this: IF YOU DO NOT SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT'S DECISIONS YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO OUR COUNTRY![not my caps]

But I've concluded, If you don't support a or the President, nothing said is better than a rant, to rant, especially if it was not the man you voted.(for me)

PS, I think the all caps says it best about this site.
posted by thomcatspike at 12:01 PM on February 12, 2003

Anyway, is this site a joke or not?

I'd say about 50/50.

Some of the people on the list are addle-mided twerps, but only Lindh is actually a traitor. A couple like Ron Kovic and John Sayles are personal heros of mine, and far from your typical by the book leftists.

I'm also upset that I didn't make the list. Tell me, man, where did I fall short?
posted by jonmc at 12:02 PM on February 12, 2003

From the bottom of the page:

All emails sent to are monitored by the U.S. Government
posted by Pinwheel at 12:03 PM on February 12, 2003

Um, the About Us page may shed some kind of light on this too. Or not. Maybe it's just my browser.

On preview: or Pinwheel may have settled things there.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:05 PM on February 12, 2003

"We've got to ask, why is this man [Osama bin Laden] so popular around the world?" Sen. Patty Murray

That traitorous bitch!
posted by Tenuki at 12:09 PM on February 12, 2003

All the pictures loaded (twice) except the two Cusacks. Does this mean they're... what? Being rehabilitated? Does this make them "transitional" traitors?
posted by soyjoy at 12:12 PM on February 12, 2003

"sociopaths like Patch Adams"?

Why is Patch Adams a sociopath?
posted by rich at 12:18 PM on February 12, 2003

soyjoy, maybe it means they're actually the same person.
posted by tolkhan at 12:20 PM on February 12, 2003

Condolences on making it to the bottom of the page, Pinwheel.
posted by Skot at 12:20 PM on February 12, 2003

Shoot. I think we've all missed the "disclaimer" linked to on the bottom of the page:

Paradoy. Not to be taken seriously. These "traitors" are not legal "traitors" of the United States. Though we wish they were

So it is a paradoy! But of what?!? Maybe they're paradoying Bush's actual traitor list?

Also: they wish that there were more people betraying America? That's true patriotism!
posted by mr_roboto at 12:28 PM on February 12, 2003

Whoever it is, they are using Microsoft Frontpage to do their site. For some reason, this makes it easier for me to write the author(s) off as a hoaxter / crank / totally insane ...
posted by moonbiter at 12:30 PM on February 12, 2003

that was a joke, rich. Movie looked terrible, but I didn't see it. Mr_roboto -- yeah the question isn't whether it's tongue-in-cheek or not; i think that's obvious. The question is, is it just slightly tongue-in-cheek by someone who hates these people, or REALLY tongue-in-cheek by someone who is anti-Bush?
posted by condour75 at 12:31 PM on February 12, 2003

I'm also upset that I didn't make the list. Tell me, man, where did I fall short?
posted by jonmc at 12:02 PM PST on February 12

Don't panic! There's still time! Just go here:

and follow these instructions:

Feel free at anytime to email with any comments. If you wish to be branded a traitor with just email your pathetic reason here.

I did and it felt sooo good to join the ranks of those patriots already on this list! You can too! As a matter of fact, why not invite everyone you know to join up?
posted by nofundy at 12:36 PM on February 12, 2003

Joke?!? This is certainly no joke for those of us who remember the HUAC hearings and subsequent treason trial against Corey Glover. No doubt the author of this site suffers from disfunction in his sexual apparatus. I really don't understand the drudge/oreilly obsession with the Hollywood left. Btw, did any of you see the Los Angeles Times article this morning that traced the funding of Hollywood blockbuster "How to lose a guy in ten days" to a Saudi Arabian prince who is active in the funding of global terror?

Bonus Quiz:

Q: With which two actors/leftist operatives did Corey Glover commit a string of late seventies bank robberies in order to fund pro-commie terror cells within the U.S.?

A: Orc killer turned freedom killer Viggo Mortenson and Corey's brother (in arms) Danny Glover.
posted by mokujin at 12:39 PM on February 12, 2003

I don't think that's Mumia Abu-Jamal. Unless he's doing his hair differently.
posted by wilberforce at 12:50 PM on February 12, 2003

How can one Indigo Girl be a traitor and not both of them? Did you notice that Martin Sheen looks exactly like Ani Di Franco? This site is obviously a joke no matter what the initial intent.
posted by whatever at 1:29 PM on February 12, 2003

Isn't Corey Glover the singer from Living Color?

condour75 - sorry, didn't get the joke, especially since you put Moussaoui, who really is a sociopath of a sort there, too.
posted by rich at 1:33 PM on February 12, 2003

Click on "Contact The President", then click "NO". The animated .gif is AWESOME.
posted by mkultra at 1:40 PM on February 12, 2003

mkultra - I second that emotion. This redeems the whole site, in my view.
posted by soyjoy at 2:03 PM on February 12, 2003

The animated gif of the superheroes dancing is wicked clever.

However, you may note that the website maker names that animation file "gay_dancers.gif."
posted by Dunvegan at 2:22 PM on February 12, 2003

"I myself feel that our country, for whose Constitution I fought in a just war, might as well have been invaded by Martians and body snatchers. Sometimes I wish it had been. What has happened, though, is that it has been taken over by means of the sleaziest, low-comedy, Keystone Cops-style coup d’etat imaginable. And those now in charge of the federal government are upper-crust C-students who know no history or geography, plus not-so-closeted white supremacists, aka “Christians,” and plus, most frighteningly, psychopathic personalities, or “PPs.""


probush/prolife/prodeath/prowar/prodrilling/prorich/prohate/propavement/probombs/prosecrecy/prodeficit/procorporate/propollution/ etc... etc. etc.
posted by specialk420 at 2:48 PM on February 12, 2003

Of course, no Bush lovin' patriot site would be complete with out a comment like this:

"Gay Dancer's Reported at U.N. Global Summit."

Gay dancer's what?
posted by 2sheets at 3:00 PM on February 12, 2003

Hhmmm ... interesting reactions. May give at least a few folks a glimpse of how it feels to conservatives to see "Bush is a terrorist", or "Ashcroft is a Nazi" all over websites, discussion baords, and protest banners.

The reaction is identical: "I'm pretty sure they're serious. (I'm also pretty sure they're in high school.)"
posted by MidasMulligan at 5:38 PM on February 12, 2003

Midas - GW may not be a terrorist, but he does say the darndest things - "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator..."-George W. Bush, Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect......."A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it." —George W. Bush, July 27, 2001 - and he does consort with known Anti-Castro Cuban terrorists (Orlando Bosch)

I think GW is a rather honest, plain spoken man, though:

"Throughout the 20th century, small groups of men seized control of great nations, built armies and arsenals, and set out to dominate the weak and intimidate the world." - George W. Bush, 2003 State of the Union Address

"Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment." —George W. Bush, Jan. 2001 (Colin Powell will help)

"You fucking son of a bitch. I saw what you wrote. We're not going to forget this." - George W. Bush to writer and editor Al Hunt, 1988

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" -George W, Bush, Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000
posted by troutfishing at 9:13 PM on February 12, 2003

Er, Midas, before you get too smug about how seriously "conservative" the site is, maybe you, too, had better check the animated gif that Dunvegan pointed us to... er, immediately after mkultra and I had remarked on it. (What's up with that?)
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