Nader/Gore Vote swap in effect
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Nader/Gore Vote swap in effect 1,107 votes changed hands so far
i don't know that i could trust someone to trade votes with me. i would vote for gore but how would i know someone would vote for nader in my place? cynicism rears its ugly head.
life in a swing state is weird -- if i see that bush or gore is coming here one more time, i'm gonna scream. bush has been twice, i think, and gore has been three or four times. plus lieberman and cheney. nader has been here once.
posted by sugarfish at 2:40 AM on October 28, 2000
life in a swing state is weird -- if i see that bush or gore is coming here one more time, i'm gonna scream. bush has been twice, i think, and gore has been three or four times. plus lieberman and cheney. nader has been here once.
posted by sugarfish at 2:40 AM on October 28, 2000
Oh this is so lame. Gore could've gotten a million times more than this had he not pandered in the Elien Gonzales affair or appointed "Mr. Conservative" as his running mate or ignored and taken for granted at every opportunity the very constituency that all of a sudden seems so important. We have conservative organizations like the DNC totally monopolizing the agenda for years on end, claiming they know all about winning elections and how nobody but the most conservative person -- surprise, surprise -- should run and how "liberal" is a dirty word and now, with the moment of truth fast approaching, suddenly that's all forgotten and we have "vote-swaping".
For this election, I'll be practicing what's called "action-swaping" where if a candidate acts in a certain way, I'll be voting accordingly.
posted by leo at 5:37 AM on October 28, 2000
For this election, I'll be practicing what's called "action-swaping" where if a candidate acts in a certain way, I'll be voting accordingly.
posted by leo at 5:37 AM on October 28, 2000
Hey, it's not like Nader supports either one, he blasts Gore everyday -
"The current administration "has completely lacked a strategy of prevention'' in its policies aimed at reducing children's exposure to air pollution and toxic heavy metals and pesticides, Nader said."
"In an interview with Reuters Health, Nader said that if elected, he would increase the EPA's power to enforce current laws that are supposed help protect children from exposure to toxins and pollution and would ask Congress to legislate "many of the particulars relating to childhood health.''
Vice President Al Gore was invited to attend the meeting but was instead in Michigan accepting the endorsement of the environmental group the Sierra Club."
"Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader challenged Al Gore's populist credentials on Monday and called on the Democratic nominee to reject campaign money from industries he criticized during his address to the Democratic National Convention."
"Give the money back, Mr. Gore, or stand condemned of deceiving and misleading the American people," he said."
"'He's trying to make a passing grade in Populist 101,' Nader said. "The problem is for the past eight years Gore has been walking a corporate line, not the populist line."
"'The Justice Department of the Clinton administration - and under Vice President Gore - has filed over 20 percent fewer lawsuits in the area of environmental crime prosecution than [were filed in] the Reagan/Bush years,' Nader said."
"According to Nader, Gore has no right to cast himself as the environmental candidate in the presidential race."
"'Basically, he has betrayed most of the promises he outlined in his book, "Earth in the Balance," in 1992,' Nader said."
"Specifically, Nader said that Gore has given the automobile industry a "free ride" by not proposing stringent fuel efficiency standards."
"Gore has also been very weak in calling for stricter regulations on the use of pesticides and herbicides, and he was a staunch supporter of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) even though environmental groups spoke out against it, Nader noted."
"'But [Gore] has made sure that he has taken money from all of these special interests, while he goes around the country saying he's going to fight big oil, big HMOs, big insurance companies and big corporate polluters,' Nader said."
"More than 100 grassroots environmental leaders from 25 states have signed on with Environmentalists Against Gore."
"'Al Gore stopped, blocked or obstructed every single one of those campaigns, and the Sierra Club endorsed him anyway," Hermach said. "That really begs the question - or the conclusion - the Sierra Club is a political front group for the Democratic Party.'"
"'Al Gore talks tough about protecting the environment, but whenever money and political dealers ask him to, Gore uses his power to hurt working families and the earth,' Brower said. 'Gore seems to think that because he wrote about how to save the planet in "Earth in the Balance," he can get away with the same cheap and short sighted political behavior he criticizes in his book.'"
Nader also said that The Democratic Party has become just as bad as the Republican, maybe even worse.
Those are the things Gore is running on, his plan - pay down the debt, and save the environment. That's it, and we see he's lied just about everything else, so, why do you believe him now?
Vote Nader, Nader doesn't care for Gore or Bush, he needs votes to make the Green Party, if you plan to vote for Gore, well, then you know where you stand.
posted by tiaka at 5:54 AM on October 28, 2000
"The current administration "has completely lacked a strategy of prevention'' in its policies aimed at reducing children's exposure to air pollution and toxic heavy metals and pesticides, Nader said."
"In an interview with Reuters Health, Nader said that if elected, he would increase the EPA's power to enforce current laws that are supposed help protect children from exposure to toxins and pollution and would ask Congress to legislate "many of the particulars relating to childhood health.''
Vice President Al Gore was invited to attend the meeting but was instead in Michigan accepting the endorsement of the environmental group the Sierra Club."
"Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader challenged Al Gore's populist credentials on Monday and called on the Democratic nominee to reject campaign money from industries he criticized during his address to the Democratic National Convention."
"Give the money back, Mr. Gore, or stand condemned of deceiving and misleading the American people," he said."
"'He's trying to make a passing grade in Populist 101,' Nader said. "The problem is for the past eight years Gore has been walking a corporate line, not the populist line."
"'The Justice Department of the Clinton administration - and under Vice President Gore - has filed over 20 percent fewer lawsuits in the area of environmental crime prosecution than [were filed in] the Reagan/Bush years,' Nader said."
"According to Nader, Gore has no right to cast himself as the environmental candidate in the presidential race."
"'Basically, he has betrayed most of the promises he outlined in his book, "Earth in the Balance," in 1992,' Nader said."
"Specifically, Nader said that Gore has given the automobile industry a "free ride" by not proposing stringent fuel efficiency standards."
"Gore has also been very weak in calling for stricter regulations on the use of pesticides and herbicides, and he was a staunch supporter of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) even though environmental groups spoke out against it, Nader noted."
"'But [Gore] has made sure that he has taken money from all of these special interests, while he goes around the country saying he's going to fight big oil, big HMOs, big insurance companies and big corporate polluters,' Nader said."
"More than 100 grassroots environmental leaders from 25 states have signed on with Environmentalists Against Gore."
"'Al Gore stopped, blocked or obstructed every single one of those campaigns, and the Sierra Club endorsed him anyway," Hermach said. "That really begs the question - or the conclusion - the Sierra Club is a political front group for the Democratic Party.'"
"'Al Gore talks tough about protecting the environment, but whenever money and political dealers ask him to, Gore uses his power to hurt working families and the earth,' Brower said. 'Gore seems to think that because he wrote about how to save the planet in "Earth in the Balance," he can get away with the same cheap and short sighted political behavior he criticizes in his book.'"
Nader also said that The Democratic Party has become just as bad as the Republican, maybe even worse.
Those are the things Gore is running on, his plan - pay down the debt, and save the environment. That's it, and we see he's lied just about everything else, so, why do you believe him now?
Vote Nader, Nader doesn't care for Gore or Bush, he needs votes to make the Green Party, if you plan to vote for Gore, well, then you know where you stand.
posted by tiaka at 5:54 AM on October 28, 2000
Hey, at least you can vote for Nader where you live. The great state of North Carolina says that even if I write him in, he won't get credit.
Here's to holding my nose and voting anyway...
posted by salsamander at 7:23 AM on October 28, 2000
Here's to holding my nose and voting anyway...
posted by salsamander at 7:23 AM on October 28, 2000
I already voted for Nader yesterday. Early voting ROCKS!
Sometimes, living in Texas actually doesn't suck all that much, even though we've got Dubya year-round (ugh!).
posted by beth at 7:36 AM on October 28, 2000
Sometimes, living in Texas actually doesn't suck all that much, even though we've got Dubya year-round (ugh!).
posted by beth at 7:36 AM on October 28, 2000
What's even worse is that if Bush wins, we're stuck with Rick Perry as governor! *shudder*
posted by veruca at 3:59 PM on October 28, 2000
posted by veruca at 3:59 PM on October 28, 2000
I'm tired of voting for party platforms. I wish we could vote on who's the best PERSON for a given job, not the best CONTACTS. This vote swapping thing sounds too good to be true. One thing that is sure though, Gore can't win Texas. My vote won't help Gore win Texas, but it might be able to help break the two party system.
I'm not very green. I prefer George Carlin's approach to environmentalism. Human beings should wallow in their own filth like the pigs we are. We deserve every nonbiodegradable styrofoam cup in a landfill that we put there. We deserve losing the ozone layer to our own excess. However, Nader has a point. A vote for either Bush or Gore is a vote for confidence in the capitalistic maelstrom of greed and avarice that George Carlin's always making fun of.
If I can get a Nader supporter to vote for Gore in a swing state, I'll help support Nader here in Texas. We'd still have the lesser of two evils in the white house, and maybe next go around the Green Party will be taken seriously enough to get into the presidential debates. Which is the way it should be. We shouldn't have a two party system. We should have a two hundred party system. Something's gotta break this whole Tories/Whigs thing. It's embarrassing.
Do you want Bush or Gore? Do you want Coke or Pepsi? What's the difference? Screw it. I'll have a Zima.
posted by ZachsMind at 1:20 AM on October 29, 2000
I'm not very green. I prefer George Carlin's approach to environmentalism. Human beings should wallow in their own filth like the pigs we are. We deserve every nonbiodegradable styrofoam cup in a landfill that we put there. We deserve losing the ozone layer to our own excess. However, Nader has a point. A vote for either Bush or Gore is a vote for confidence in the capitalistic maelstrom of greed and avarice that George Carlin's always making fun of.
If I can get a Nader supporter to vote for Gore in a swing state, I'll help support Nader here in Texas. We'd still have the lesser of two evils in the white house, and maybe next go around the Green Party will be taken seriously enough to get into the presidential debates. Which is the way it should be. We shouldn't have a two party system. We should have a two hundred party system. Something's gotta break this whole Tories/Whigs thing. It's embarrassing.
Do you want Bush or Gore? Do you want Coke or Pepsi? What's the difference? Screw it. I'll have a Zima.
posted by ZachsMind at 1:20 AM on October 29, 2000
Oh this is so lame. Gore could've gotten a million times more than this had he not pandered in the Elien Gonzales affair ...
When Gore stated that Elian's custody should be decided in a family court instead of an INS court, public opinion polls were running 70 percent to 30 percent against his position. How could that possibly be considered pandering?
posted by rcade at 9:08 AM on October 29, 2000
When Gore stated that Elian's custody should be decided in a family court instead of an INS court, public opinion polls were running 70 percent to 30 percent against his position. How could that possibly be considered pandering?
posted by rcade at 9:08 AM on October 29, 2000
He was pandering to the Miami Latino population, because they knew Florida was going to be very close.
posted by veruca at 10:49 AM on October 29, 2000
posted by veruca at 10:49 AM on October 29, 2000
So Gore's pandering to the Cuban voters if he supports any of their opinions on Elian, and would have been pandering to the mainstream voters if he opposed them. No wonder people call him a panderer if those are the ground rules.
posted by rcade at 8:13 PM on October 29, 2000
posted by rcade at 8:13 PM on October 29, 2000
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