Hodgman Roasts Obama
June 20, 2009 9:11 AM Subscribe
John Hodgman tests President Obama's nerd credentials at the Radio and TV Correspondents Dinner. [SLYT]
I don't read MeTa regularly and never would have thought to check there first.
posted by HumuloneRanger at 9:25 AM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by HumuloneRanger at 9:25 AM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
Let me just be the fourth to say that this has been posted in MeTa.
posted by nevercalm at 9:26 AM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
posted by nevercalm at 9:26 AM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
I don't read MeTa regularly and never would have thought to check there first.
No, sorry if my comment seemed snarky. The fact that something was mentioned on MeTa doesn't mean that a blue post is unacceptable.
Henrik's comment was better.
posted by Dumsnill at 9:29 AM on June 20, 2009
No, sorry if my comment seemed snarky. The fact that something was mentioned on MeTa doesn't mean that a blue post is unacceptable.
Henrik's comment was better.
posted by Dumsnill at 9:29 AM on June 20, 2009
This belongs here.
posted by Artw at 9:34 AM on June 20, 2009 [4 favorites]
posted by Artw at 9:34 AM on June 20, 2009 [4 favorites]
I hear this site has a different section that also has a similar post on a related subject.
posted by Balisong at 9:39 AM on June 20, 2009 [4 favorites]
posted by Balisong at 9:39 AM on June 20, 2009 [4 favorites]
Nerdtastic.
posted by rageagainsttherobots at 9:46 AM on June 20, 2009
posted by rageagainsttherobots at 9:46 AM on June 20, 2009
I enjoyed the serious message behind the speech too.
posted by gameshints at 9:49 AM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by gameshints at 9:49 AM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
As I said on MetaTalk earlier today, this is the Colbert moment: You are clearly not exactly the person we hoped you would be. And perhaps it was wrong and impractical and unrealistic of us to lay such hopes upon you. I've decided that it's directed in equal parts at Obama and at his increasingly disenchanted supporters.
posted by gerryblog at 9:51 AM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by gerryblog at 9:51 AM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
I'm tired of John Hodgman. I read his cute little book, I watch his cute little Daily Show segments, I read his cute little Twitter feed. I'm over-Hodgmanned.
(This was pretty funny, though)
posted by BitterOldPunk at 9:57 AM on June 20, 2009
(This was pretty funny, though)
posted by BitterOldPunk at 9:57 AM on June 20, 2009
Enjoyed it, but ...
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posted by samsm at 10:00 AM on June 20, 2009
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posted by samsm at 10:00 AM on June 20, 2009
I hope that's not the sound of a weirding module activating.
posted by kid ichorous at 10:01 AM on June 20, 2009 [11 favorites]
posted by kid ichorous at 10:01 AM on June 20, 2009 [11 favorites]
Most important question: Did Obama get a hobo name?
posted by ColdChef at 10:01 AM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by ColdChef at 10:01 AM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
I think C-SPAN takes pride in always zooming in on the audience members who look most insulted by a speech. Take 3:48, as Hodgman goes on to explain how all the members of the audience were once high school newspaper geeks, and it cuts to a table of people who couldn't be bothered with such a sentiment. More pronounced, you have a guy staring at the ta-tas of some young hunny at his table while his post-prime wife looks on.
He must have been a jock.
posted by Christ, what an asshole at 10:03 AM on June 20, 2009
He must have been a jock.
posted by Christ, what an asshole at 10:03 AM on June 20, 2009
More pronounced, you have a guy staring at the ta-tas of some young hunny at his table while his post-prime wife looks on.
He must have been a jock.
He's David Axelrod, Obama's senior advisor. Surely a geek.
posted by game warden to the events rhino at 10:13 AM on June 20, 2009
He must have been a jock.
He's David Axelrod, Obama's senior advisor. Surely a geek.
posted by game warden to the events rhino at 10:13 AM on June 20, 2009
CSPAN hosts it directly, but neither it not Youtube really cut the mustard when the thing is an hour long. What happened to their switch to more open licensing? One would think this would be out there in a more readily stored, higher resolution codec already. This sounds like an example of "Presidential events at the White House" to me.
posted by MrZaius at 10:16 AM on June 20, 2009
posted by MrZaius at 10:16 AM on June 20, 2009
This is great. I hope they bring the PC guy back every year to roast our Mac of a president.
posted by nevercalm at 10:18 AM on June 20, 2009 [7 favorites]
posted by nevercalm at 10:18 AM on June 20, 2009 [7 favorites]
I'd never thought of the Constitution as a penultimate nerd document or the Founding Fathers as nerds, But Hodgman makes a strong case there. "God as Dungeon Master" is a concept that probably shaped everything that went into the framing of the American system. Not to mention, when you look at their portraits, the evidence is there - these are the expressions of men who have endured many a wedgie.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 10:21 AM on June 20, 2009 [4 favorites]
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 10:21 AM on June 20, 2009 [4 favorites]
MetaTalk was the wrong place to post this, that was the error. MetaFilter is the right place. Good post, HumuloneRanger.
posted by w0mbat at 10:25 AM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by w0mbat at 10:25 AM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
I think C-SPAN takes pride in always zooming in on the audience members who look most insulted by a speech.
Really, they always find that one person who is clearly thinking "god why am I here I have so many more important things to do hurf durf." At least Obama was cracking up the entire time.
posted by Solon and Thanks at 10:26 AM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
Really, they always find that one person who is clearly thinking "god why am I here I have so many more important things to do hurf durf." At least Obama was cracking up the entire time.
posted by Solon and Thanks at 10:26 AM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
Most important question: Did Obama get a hobo name?
#424 on the original list of 700.
posted by EarBucket at 10:31 AM on June 20, 2009 [6 favorites]
#424 on the original list of 700.
posted by EarBucket at 10:31 AM on June 20, 2009 [6 favorites]
Worthy of a post I'd say.
posted by fire&wings at 10:31 AM on June 20, 2009
posted by fire&wings at 10:31 AM on June 20, 2009
Obama and Hodgman? How can anyone think this wouldn't end up on MetaFilter?
The only think that would make it more appropriate is if it was a dinner made of bacon.
posted by rokusan at 10:38 AM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
The only think that would make it more appropriate is if it was a dinner made of bacon.
posted by rokusan at 10:38 AM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
Thing about it.
posted by Christ, what an asshole at 10:50 AM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by Christ, what an asshole at 10:50 AM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
#424 on the original list of 700.
I had no idea. Fantastic. Thank you.
posted by ColdChef at 10:53 AM on June 20, 2009
I had no idea. Fantastic. Thank you.
posted by ColdChef at 10:53 AM on June 20, 2009
The "simple, three-part question" about Frank Herbert's Dune cracked me up. Pure comedy gold.
posted by KokuRyu at 10:58 AM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by KokuRyu at 10:58 AM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
That was great, thank you. As with the defining Colbert performance, I think what's most funny is the bit where he skewers the press themselves.
posted by Nelson at 11:06 AM on June 20, 2009
posted by Nelson at 11:06 AM on June 20, 2009
I don't read MeTa regularly
So you're, um, single, then?
posted by elfgirl at 11:06 AM on June 20, 2009 [23 favorites]
So you're, um, single, then?
posted by elfgirl at 11:06 AM on June 20, 2009 [23 favorites]
As with the defining Colbert performance
For the record, the Colbert speech was made at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Similar event, yet different.
posted by hippybear at 11:31 AM on June 20, 2009
For the record, the Colbert speech was made at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. Similar event, yet different.
posted by hippybear at 11:31 AM on June 20, 2009
His speech wasn't that great.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:34 AM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:34 AM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
The "simple, three-part question" about Frank Herbert's Dune cracked me up.
I don't get it. That was about as simple a question as he could offer. A medium-difficulty question might have asked:
(1) Who was the current Padishah-Emperor of the Known Universe?
(2) From what planet do the Sardaukar originate?
(3) What happens if a lasgun beam strikes a shield?
Hard questions might have been:
(1) Describe the mental organization of Leto II.
(2) How can original memories be restored to a ghola?
(3) What is an axolotl tank?
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 11:35 AM on June 20, 2009 [4 favorites]
I don't get it. That was about as simple a question as he could offer. A medium-difficulty question might have asked:
(1) Who was the current Padishah-Emperor of the Known Universe?
(2) From what planet do the Sardaukar originate?
(3) What happens if a lasgun beam strikes a shield?
Hard questions might have been:
(1) Describe the mental organization of Leto II.
(2) How can original memories be restored to a ghola?
(3) What is an axolotl tank?
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 11:35 AM on June 20, 2009 [4 favorites]
Funny, but I thought the quiz bogged things down.
posted by Pope Guilty at 12:02 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Pope Guilty at 12:02 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
Who was the current Padishah-Emperor of the Known Universe?
tensefail?
...unless ROU_Xenophobe is also a kwisatz haderach.
posted by reverend cuttle at 12:09 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
tensefail?
...unless ROU_Xenophobe is also a kwisatz haderach.
posted by reverend cuttle at 12:09 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
Funny, but how many comedy-based events do they have a year? It seems like this is at least the fourth since the inauguration. I'm not saying they shouldn't be having fun, but at this rate they'll be holding press conferences at the Laugh Factory. Not sure we're there yet, but at some point it becomes too much, too often.
posted by o0o0o at 12:25 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by o0o0o at 12:25 PM on June 20, 2009
I <3 Dune references. Never thought Obama as the Kwisatz Haderach though. But I did have a sensation on election night, as if we had just blown up the Death Star.
posted by SirOmega at 12:32 PM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
posted by SirOmega at 12:32 PM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
I did have a sensation on election night, as if we had just blown up the Death Star.
Nub nub?
posted by rokusan at 12:35 PM on June 20, 2009
Nub nub?
posted by rokusan at 12:35 PM on June 20, 2009
Hello, nerds.
posted by minervous at 12:39 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by minervous at 12:39 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
Nub nub?
I think you'll find that 'Yub Nub' is the canonical transcription.
posted by jedicus at 12:40 PM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
I think you'll find that 'Yub Nub' is the canonical transcription.
posted by jedicus at 12:40 PM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
Only since this is a nerd post...
A lot of the founding fathers were deists: they thought that God created the world, but did not intervene in it afterwards. Therefore God is clearly not a Dungeon Master, who controls and influences the game as it progresses. God is more like Steve Jackson: he just creates the game, how you get on with it is up to you.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 12:45 PM on June 20, 2009 [8 favorites]
A lot of the founding fathers were deists: they thought that God created the world, but did not intervene in it afterwards. Therefore God is clearly not a Dungeon Master, who controls and influences the game as it progresses. God is more like Steve Jackson: he just creates the game, how you get on with it is up to you.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 12:45 PM on June 20, 2009 [8 favorites]
oOoOo, the main ones are the White House Correspondents' Dinner, the Radio and Television Correspondents' Dinner (this one), and the Gridiron Club. The National Press Club also has weekly events which sometimes get notice. This year the Alfalfa Club dinner was in the papers but mainly because it was founded to honor Robert E. Lee and Obama is, well, black. But these are the well-known annual dinners. I'm sure there are others because it's part of the Washington social culture. What's new and unusual is that they are always on C-SPAN and/or the web, and for that reason the comedy acts are aimed at the national audience more than they used to be. In years past they tended to be, oh, Rich Little doing pretty much the same act as always.
posted by dhartung at 12:49 PM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by dhartung at 12:49 PM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
It seems like this is at least the fourth since the inauguration.
If Obama were Bush, these would have been vacations.
posted by Dr-Baa at 12:52 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
If Obama were Bush, these would have been vacations.
posted by Dr-Baa at 12:52 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
That was boring. I turned it off around the 2 minute mark.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:57 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:57 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
Hard questions might have been:
(1) Describe the mental organization of Leto II.
(2) How can original memories be restored to a ghola?
(3) What is an axolotl tank?
I can answer all those off the top of my head.
/me cries
posted by rodgerd at 1:08 PM on June 20, 2009
(1) Describe the mental organization of Leto II.
(2) How can original memories be restored to a ghola?
(3) What is an axolotl tank?
I can answer all those off the top of my head.
/me cries
posted by rodgerd at 1:08 PM on June 20, 2009
I only thought it was ok. I guess I ended up feeling that cramming nerdy references into the speech wasn't enough to really make it funny.
posted by OmieWise at 1:10 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by OmieWise at 1:10 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
I liked it. I think it helps if you consider yourself in that group. Wasn't brilliant, but I like Hodgman's delivery, especially because there are times you can tell he might work better on a screen or with a smaller audience, and he loses the crowd a bit and he just sort of plods through, like he's demonstrating the vacuum cleaner he's trying to sell you and is determined to get through his pitch. There's something really endearing about it.
It wasn't as good as Colbert's infamous speech, but there is no way to deliver something like that without all the history behind it. Obama's still in his first six months.
posted by krinklyfig at 1:30 PM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
It wasn't as good as Colbert's infamous speech, but there is no way to deliver something like that without all the history behind it. Obama's still in his first six months.
posted by krinklyfig at 1:30 PM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
Now I want more Hodgman. GIVE ME MORE HODGMAN!
posted by deliquescent at 1:30 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by deliquescent at 1:30 PM on June 20, 2009
Oh, this was aimed at people who think Colbert is funny? Gotcha.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:36 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:36 PM on June 20, 2009
I always thought it was Yub Yub.
posted by stinkycheese at 1:42 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by stinkycheese at 1:42 PM on June 20, 2009
*shudder*
posted by stinkycheese at 1:44 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by stinkycheese at 1:44 PM on June 20, 2009
I find Hodgman pretty dull most of the time, frankly. I don't think he compares to Colbert at all, the "colbert moment" refers to Colbert's white house correspondents dinner, where he basically ripped on Bush and everyone in the media to their faces.
posted by delmoi at 2:11 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by delmoi at 2:11 PM on June 20, 2009
As I said on MetaTalk earlier today, this is the Colbert moment: You are clearly not exactly the person we hoped you would be. And perhaps it was wrong and impractical and unrealistic of us to lay such hopes upon you.
yes, it's our fault. Us stupid asshole voters and volunteers who got him elected. Clearly it was "wrong and impractical and unrealistic" of me to expect him to respect the Constitution or keep more than a couple of his promises. It was definitely "wrong and impractical and unrealistic" to be surprised when he had the breathtaking hypocrisy to go to Philadelphia, stand in the same building with the Constitution, and say that he believed in indefinite detention for people who might possibly be thinking about committing a crime at some point.
I'm such an asshole, and that ever so gentle, pre-vetted, Court Jester bit of toadying really set me straight. Bravo! Now can we watch a video of Toby Keith poking fun at Bush?
posted by drjimmy11 at 2:15 PM on June 20, 2009 [7 favorites]
yes, it's our fault. Us stupid asshole voters and volunteers who got him elected. Clearly it was "wrong and impractical and unrealistic" of me to expect him to respect the Constitution or keep more than a couple of his promises. It was definitely "wrong and impractical and unrealistic" to be surprised when he had the breathtaking hypocrisy to go to Philadelphia, stand in the same building with the Constitution, and say that he believed in indefinite detention for people who might possibly be thinking about committing a crime at some point.
I'm such an asshole, and that ever so gentle, pre-vetted, Court Jester bit of toadying really set me straight. Bravo! Now can we watch a video of Toby Keith poking fun at Bush?
posted by drjimmy11 at 2:15 PM on June 20, 2009 [7 favorites]
Other things that aren't as good as the Colbert speech
The American Civil War
Long-distance relationships
Arm cancer
Calculating tips
Lumbar punctures
Bad haircuts
Poliovirus
Mondays
Itchy sweaters
Zombie bed bugs
Super Mario Sunshine
Gentrification
posted by shadytrees at 2:37 PM on June 20, 2009
The American Civil War
Long-distance relationships
Arm cancer
Calculating tips
Lumbar punctures
Bad haircuts
Poliovirus
Mondays
Itchy sweaters
Zombie bed bugs
Super Mario Sunshine
Gentrification
posted by shadytrees at 2:37 PM on June 20, 2009
I'm such an asshole, and that ever so gentle, pre-vetted
Ha! Do you take all comedy so personally?
posted by smackfu at 2:46 PM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
Ha! Do you take all comedy so personally?
posted by smackfu at 2:46 PM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
I don't think he compares to Colbert at all, the "colbert moment" refers to Colbert's white house correspondents dinner
The problem with Colbert, or rather his act, is that he is as confined to a two-dimensional image as Dorian fucking Gray. He can never step out of his little caricature, all edges, but only relax or intensify it; he can give you O'Reilly on a good hair day or bad. Unlike Jon Stuart, who can on occasion take off the jester's cap and comport himself for an interview, Yorick here can only parrot and condescend. He cannot dialogue. He intends to live and die with the thing on.
And so whereas Stuart's comedy can distinguish between our defunct medium - television - and those credulous of it, Colbert's cannot. Its joke is as vast as it is useless and foregone - 'Lord, how can all these rubes believe all this tripe,' to the tittering of some internet chorus, one as much the mirror-image of O'Reilly's passive dittoheads as irony will allow.
posted by kid ichorous at 3:03 PM on June 20, 2009 [5 favorites]
The problem with Colbert, or rather his act, is that he is as confined to a two-dimensional image as Dorian fucking Gray. He can never step out of his little caricature, all edges, but only relax or intensify it; he can give you O'Reilly on a good hair day or bad. Unlike Jon Stuart, who can on occasion take off the jester's cap and comport himself for an interview, Yorick here can only parrot and condescend. He cannot dialogue. He intends to live and die with the thing on.
And so whereas Stuart's comedy can distinguish between our defunct medium - television - and those credulous of it, Colbert's cannot. Its joke is as vast as it is useless and foregone - 'Lord, how can all these rubes believe all this tripe,' to the tittering of some internet chorus, one as much the mirror-image of O'Reilly's passive dittoheads as irony will allow.
posted by kid ichorous at 3:03 PM on June 20, 2009 [5 favorites]
drjimmy11: I'm such an asshole, and that ever so gentle, pre-vetted....
smackfu: Ha! Do you take all comedy so personally?
I think, smackfu, that drjimmy11 is saying that, to call Hodgman's facile and toothless bit a "Colbert moment" (which it couldn't be further from), and then to interpret it as laying blame on those Obama voters who are now very disappointed with him, takes more than a little contortion and is just a bit insulting.
And re: the post--I like Hodgman fine, and this me smile, but it was way too small for the room. It would have played much better in my basement. Twenty-six years ago. Obama would have laughed then, too.
posted by tzikeh at 3:05 PM on June 20, 2009
smackfu: Ha! Do you take all comedy so personally?
I think, smackfu, that drjimmy11 is saying that, to call Hodgman's facile and toothless bit a "Colbert moment" (which it couldn't be further from), and then to interpret it as laying blame on those Obama voters who are now very disappointed with him, takes more than a little contortion and is just a bit insulting.
And re: the post--I like Hodgman fine, and this me smile, but it was way too small for the room. It would have played much better in my basement. Twenty-six years ago. Obama would have laughed then, too.
posted by tzikeh at 3:05 PM on June 20, 2009
Er, Jon Stewart. He's okay but I'm not going to give him retroactive credit for On Liberty.
posted by kid ichorous at 3:07 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by kid ichorous at 3:07 PM on June 20, 2009
kid ichorous: "The problem with Colbert, or rather his act, is that he is as confined to a two-dimensional image as Dorian fucking Gray. He can never step out of his little caricature, all edges, but only relax or intensify it; he can give you O'Reilly on a good hair day or bad. Unlike Jon Stuart, who can on occasion take off the jester's cap and comport himself for an interview, Yorick here can only parrot and condescend. He cannot dialogue. He intends to live and die with the thing on.
And so whereas Stuart's comedy can distinguish between our defunct medium - television - and those credulous of it, Colbert's cannot. Its joke is as vast as it is useless and foregone - 'Lord, how can all these rubes believe all this tripe,' to the tittering of some internet chorus, one as much the mirror-image of O'Reilly's passive dittoheads as irony will allow."
I'm not sure when the last time you experienced Colbert was, but I think you should reevaluate him. In the beginning of the character, what you say was true - he had a lot of problems with staying in character when it would've been easier and better (in the moment) for him to drop it.
But as time has gone on, he's grown into the character, and now he has learned how to make it do what he wants. It's a little strange to explain, but I think the best example is his interviews. If you go back to the beginning, you'll see an obsessive need to "nail" the interviewee, at the expense of a good interview. He even remarked, out of character, that this was the worst thing about the character. But if you watch him now, he uses slightly different language. He still asks the ridiculous questions, and plays the conservative fool, but he has an incredible way with still somehow making his interviews full-bodied and real.
And if you imagine him irrelevant, you should go back and watch his USO week. It was moving, sincere, and quite well done.
posted by TypographicalError at 3:25 PM on June 20, 2009 [11 favorites]
And so whereas Stuart's comedy can distinguish between our defunct medium - television - and those credulous of it, Colbert's cannot. Its joke is as vast as it is useless and foregone - 'Lord, how can all these rubes believe all this tripe,' to the tittering of some internet chorus, one as much the mirror-image of O'Reilly's passive dittoheads as irony will allow."
I'm not sure when the last time you experienced Colbert was, but I think you should reevaluate him. In the beginning of the character, what you say was true - he had a lot of problems with staying in character when it would've been easier and better (in the moment) for him to drop it.
But as time has gone on, he's grown into the character, and now he has learned how to make it do what he wants. It's a little strange to explain, but I think the best example is his interviews. If you go back to the beginning, you'll see an obsessive need to "nail" the interviewee, at the expense of a good interview. He even remarked, out of character, that this was the worst thing about the character. But if you watch him now, he uses slightly different language. He still asks the ridiculous questions, and plays the conservative fool, but he has an incredible way with still somehow making his interviews full-bodied and real.
And if you imagine him irrelevant, you should go back and watch his USO week. It was moving, sincere, and quite well done.
posted by TypographicalError at 3:25 PM on June 20, 2009 [11 favorites]
Okay, you're on. I'll watch the (five?) interviews from uso week.
posted by kid ichorous at 4:06 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by kid ichorous at 4:06 PM on June 20, 2009
1. Shai Hulud
2. Thumper
3. Water of Life
posted by exlotuseater at 4:11 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
2. Thumper
3. Water of Life
posted by exlotuseater at 4:11 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
Colbert's "Formidable Opponent" on gays in the military--in front of a packed military house, in Saddam Hussein's former palace--was "uncomfortable-room comedy" at its best. He's still at the top of his game, as far as I'm concerned.
posted by ColdChef at 4:17 PM on June 20, 2009 [4 favorites]
posted by ColdChef at 4:17 PM on June 20, 2009 [4 favorites]
"And so whereas Stuart's comedy can distinguish between our defunct medium - television - and those credulous of it, Colbert's cannot. Its joke is as vast as it is useless and foregone - 'Lord, how can all these rubes believe all this tripe,' to the tittering of some internet chorus, one as much the mirror-image of O'Reilly's passive dittoheads as irony will allow."
Well, it is just a character. He has done other work, and eventually he'll go on to something else. But it still works right now, and he actually does walk to the edge of his character during interviews these days and sort of lets his guard down. He had Green Day on there and ran the interview like Carson Daily on MTV, but it's OK, because ample opportunities exist. He was very careful in Iraq not to be too stridently sarcastic, but he was able to make the room go silent a few times, especially during the segment ColdChef mentions.
posted by krinklyfig at 5:16 PM on June 20, 2009
Well, it is just a character. He has done other work, and eventually he'll go on to something else. But it still works right now, and he actually does walk to the edge of his character during interviews these days and sort of lets his guard down. He had Green Day on there and ran the interview like Carson Daily on MTV, but it's OK, because ample opportunities exist. He was very careful in Iraq not to be too stridently sarcastic, but he was able to make the room go silent a few times, especially during the segment ColdChef mentions.
posted by krinklyfig at 5:16 PM on June 20, 2009
Daily? Daly? See, I'm not really in the loop ... do the kids still like the music teevee?
posted by krinklyfig at 5:17 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by krinklyfig at 5:17 PM on June 20, 2009
The problem with Colbert, or rather his act, is that he is as confined to a two-dimensional image as Dorian fucking Gray. He can never step out of his little caricature, all edges, but only relax or intensify it ... Yorick here can only parrot and condescend. He cannot dialogue. He intends to live and die with the thing on.A bunch of people have pushed back here, but I'm going to take an ever stronger approach. I think that statement is moronic. It presupposes that humor is a strictly logical system that given a set of constraints (or axioms) it cannot transcend them any more then 2+2 = n*1/3. Furthermore, it presumes that your own views on the rules of humor are correct. Both of these are incorrect, and thus your statement is indefensible.
And so whereas Stuart's comedy can distinguish between our defunct medium - television - and those credulous of it, Colbert's cannot. Its joke is as vast as it is useless and foregone - 'Lord, how can all these rubes believe all this tripe,' to the tittering of some internet chorus, one as much the mirror-image of O'Reilly's passive dittoheads as irony will allow.
posted by delmoi at 5:30 PM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
"But if you watch him now, he uses slightly different language. He still asks the ridiculous questions, and plays the conservative fool, but he has an incredible way with still somehow making his interviews full-bodied and real."
Yeah, but one thing that bugs me is it's a little transparent, like the veil is dropped a bit. He sucks up a lot more these days. But the show continues to surprise me with the quality and the completely free-form nature of the writing, despite the reliance on parody of a particular format. The simplest ideas are pretty ripe, like the Formidable Opponent segment, reminds me a bit of Even Stepvhen (Islam vs. Christianity is good). A Colbert Christmas was outstanding, exactly right, and sort of came out of nowhere. Bill O'Reilly never did a Christmas special, and definitely not with Willie Nelson singing about his gift of marijuana for the Baby Jesus. I never buy DVDs of television, but got that one.
"And re: the post--I like Hodgman fine, and this me smile, but it was way too small for the room. It would have played much better in my basement. Twenty-six years ago. Obama would have laughed then, too."
That's kinda why I liked it. His delivery was nerdy.
posted by krinklyfig at 5:37 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
Yeah, but one thing that bugs me is it's a little transparent, like the veil is dropped a bit. He sucks up a lot more these days. But the show continues to surprise me with the quality and the completely free-form nature of the writing, despite the reliance on parody of a particular format. The simplest ideas are pretty ripe, like the Formidable Opponent segment, reminds me a bit of Even Stepvhen (Islam vs. Christianity is good). A Colbert Christmas was outstanding, exactly right, and sort of came out of nowhere. Bill O'Reilly never did a Christmas special, and definitely not with Willie Nelson singing about his gift of marijuana for the Baby Jesus. I never buy DVDs of television, but got that one.
"And re: the post--I like Hodgman fine, and this me smile, but it was way too small for the room. It would have played much better in my basement. Twenty-six years ago. Obama would have laughed then, too."
That's kinda why I liked it. His delivery was nerdy.
posted by krinklyfig at 5:37 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
delmoi: "A bunch of people have pushed back here, but I'm going to take an ever stronger approach. I think that statement is moronic. It presupposes that humor is a strictly logical system that given a set of constraints (or axioms) it cannot transcend them any more then 2+2 = n*1/3. Furthermore, it presumes that your own views on the rules of humor are correct. Both of these are incorrect, and thus your statement is indefensible."
To be fair to kid ichorous, Stewart and Colbert are not entirely about humor anymore. They have established themselves as critics of media and politics, despite following shows with crank-calling puppets.
So, in that light, being stuck in a character whose criticism capabilities are reduced to caricaturing O'Reilly and other pundits is a mistake. But I don't think that's a problem Colbert suffers from anymore.
posted by TypographicalError at 6:15 PM on June 20, 2009
To be fair to kid ichorous, Stewart and Colbert are not entirely about humor anymore. They have established themselves as critics of media and politics, despite following shows with crank-calling puppets.
So, in that light, being stuck in a character whose criticism capabilities are reduced to caricaturing O'Reilly and other pundits is a mistake. But I don't think that's a problem Colbert suffers from anymore.
posted by TypographicalError at 6:15 PM on June 20, 2009
it cannot transcend them any more then 2+2 = n*1/3
n = 12
posted by zippy at 7:01 PM on June 20, 2009
n = 12
posted by zippy at 7:01 PM on June 20, 2009
I think that statement is moronic. It presupposes that humor is a strictly logical system that given a set of constraints (or axioms) it cannot transcend them any more then 2+2 = n*1/3. [...] your statement is indefensible.
Delmoi: holy shit. I’ve checked all the numbers, and you’re right. I pray my mistake has not cost us too much. The defenses must hold.
I was mad to think that the Dorian Gray analogy would cohere. In my folly I though it would address the disconnect somewhere between personhood and TV persona. And I thought the disintegrating head of O’Reilly as a passable conjugate to the tortured painting: this headshot, this face swallowed down its open throat, this pinkish scream turned inside-out. And the cro-magnon brow, the bulbous punching-bag of a brain. Don't you know that they do not let him sleep? That his nights are paroxysms of every form of torture he defends on air - electro shocks, mock executions, and non-stop Eminem? It is to this hangdog wreck we anchor an ever-young Stephen Colbert. The part ages; but the actor does not.
Still, the correct two-dimensional cage analogy is, as your math confirms, General Zod’s planar prison from Superman 2. That thing was badass down to the eigenvector, an evil Solitude Fortress that lives in wavering between here and nothingness, and releases its villain at the moment of highest drama.
On viewing the new Colbert I have come to two realizations. First, it is true - Colbert has learned to tone it down. It actually works. Even in the worst case, is now much less like two Bill O'Reilli - one real, one false - are flaying me in stereo, but rather that one is pinning me down and the other is shouting in my face.
Second, it was not my understanding that the entire show had been transplanted to Comedy Central’s server farm, nor that, in keeping with today's vernacular, I should have known to parse “comedy central online” as "minefield of asshat." I had suspicions in the past. They are all come true.
Consider this fair warning. There is, by all appearances, an asshat monarchy that has sprung up around us, Disney castles and gypsy tents. Asshat has Title now. Mr. Asshat, of the Canterbridgian Asshats. It has estate to bequeath. There are now asshat duchies, baronets, asshat vassal systems, legal arabesques to asshat inheritance and franchise. There is asshat pageantry and perhaps an asshat flag.
First: the Burger King. I've known for some time that he'd taken on a Kingly avatar, but only now understood it as a sort of fratboy trickster demigod. If the commercials are to believed, he kicks down doors and holds hockey airhorns to your sleeping ear. You wake in a terrified hunger, sleep still plastered to your face. He is like a Midas of asshattery, ready to transmute your world to an unhappy meal of 3 AM microwave sliders. Burger King: Gotcha.
Next in the pantheon: Gene Simmons, shitfaced seraph astride a polished throne of glam, satellited by platinum bimbos. He is a baritone asshat. He is also some kind of asshat franchise & pater familias, to be succeeded by his asshat son. I am informed, eight times or so, that he has graduated from asshat medical school, and should properly be addressed as Doctor Asshat. There was a time - yesterday, in fact - when I would not have to think of Gene Simmons at all.
McDonalds entreats me to join in the nuveau asshattery, to become a Dollar Menunaire. I assume from the advertisements it tastes like something between a cigar burn and a consumer jury stacked deep with asshats - the sorts of people who reflexively call ‘shotgun’ upon entering any structure with more than one door. If presented with their monopoly menu, I will take the car or the shoe; I know who’s got dibs on the hat, and in what number.
What’s more, the asshats have apparently made good on some sort of perverse, malfunctional gesture of civic responsibility. They have torn up the roads, mocked our infrastructure in its disrepair. In fact, they are such calculating asshats - perhaps a braintrust of asshats, asshat scientists - that they’ve mutilated stretches of highway in such a pattern as to make your tires skid out a song. As expected, the construction of the song itself is pure asshat baroque: it is all the unpleasantness of road damage and ring tone at once. I don't even know what it is selling. "We broke the world. Best, the Asshats."
I have just seen a total of sixty or seventy minutes of Colbert strewn across various episodes, and maybe a half hour of it in the last two months. I have seen some high power of that in asshat commercials. It is a form of psychic vandalism, and I contend that no program, no matter how good, is worth that.
posted by kid ichorous at 8:25 PM on June 20, 2009 [9 favorites]
Delmoi: holy shit. I’ve checked all the numbers, and you’re right. I pray my mistake has not cost us too much. The defenses must hold.
I was mad to think that the Dorian Gray analogy would cohere. In my folly I though it would address the disconnect somewhere between personhood and TV persona. And I thought the disintegrating head of O’Reilly as a passable conjugate to the tortured painting: this headshot, this face swallowed down its open throat, this pinkish scream turned inside-out. And the cro-magnon brow, the bulbous punching-bag of a brain. Don't you know that they do not let him sleep? That his nights are paroxysms of every form of torture he defends on air - electro shocks, mock executions, and non-stop Eminem? It is to this hangdog wreck we anchor an ever-young Stephen Colbert. The part ages; but the actor does not.
Still, the correct two-dimensional cage analogy is, as your math confirms, General Zod’s planar prison from Superman 2. That thing was badass down to the eigenvector, an evil Solitude Fortress that lives in wavering between here and nothingness, and releases its villain at the moment of highest drama.
On viewing the new Colbert I have come to two realizations. First, it is true - Colbert has learned to tone it down. It actually works. Even in the worst case, is now much less like two Bill O'Reilli - one real, one false - are flaying me in stereo, but rather that one is pinning me down and the other is shouting in my face.
Second, it was not my understanding that the entire show had been transplanted to Comedy Central’s server farm, nor that, in keeping with today's vernacular, I should have known to parse “comedy central online” as "minefield of asshat." I had suspicions in the past. They are all come true.
Consider this fair warning. There is, by all appearances, an asshat monarchy that has sprung up around us, Disney castles and gypsy tents. Asshat has Title now. Mr. Asshat, of the Canterbridgian Asshats. It has estate to bequeath. There are now asshat duchies, baronets, asshat vassal systems, legal arabesques to asshat inheritance and franchise. There is asshat pageantry and perhaps an asshat flag.
First: the Burger King. I've known for some time that he'd taken on a Kingly avatar, but only now understood it as a sort of fratboy trickster demigod. If the commercials are to believed, he kicks down doors and holds hockey airhorns to your sleeping ear. You wake in a terrified hunger, sleep still plastered to your face. He is like a Midas of asshattery, ready to transmute your world to an unhappy meal of 3 AM microwave sliders. Burger King: Gotcha.
Next in the pantheon: Gene Simmons, shitfaced seraph astride a polished throne of glam, satellited by platinum bimbos. He is a baritone asshat. He is also some kind of asshat franchise & pater familias, to be succeeded by his asshat son. I am informed, eight times or so, that he has graduated from asshat medical school, and should properly be addressed as Doctor Asshat. There was a time - yesterday, in fact - when I would not have to think of Gene Simmons at all.
McDonalds entreats me to join in the nuveau asshattery, to become a Dollar Menunaire. I assume from the advertisements it tastes like something between a cigar burn and a consumer jury stacked deep with asshats - the sorts of people who reflexively call ‘shotgun’ upon entering any structure with more than one door. If presented with their monopoly menu, I will take the car or the shoe; I know who’s got dibs on the hat, and in what number.
What’s more, the asshats have apparently made good on some sort of perverse, malfunctional gesture of civic responsibility. They have torn up the roads, mocked our infrastructure in its disrepair. In fact, they are such calculating asshats - perhaps a braintrust of asshats, asshat scientists - that they’ve mutilated stretches of highway in such a pattern as to make your tires skid out a song. As expected, the construction of the song itself is pure asshat baroque: it is all the unpleasantness of road damage and ring tone at once. I don't even know what it is selling. "We broke the world. Best, the Asshats."
I have just seen a total of sixty or seventy minutes of Colbert strewn across various episodes, and maybe a half hour of it in the last two months. I have seen some high power of that in asshat commercials. It is a form of psychic vandalism, and I contend that no program, no matter how good, is worth that.
posted by kid ichorous at 8:25 PM on June 20, 2009 [9 favorites]
Is there any chance that some geek out there can strip out the 60Hz hum in the audio track?
posted by Wild_Eep at 9:21 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by Wild_Eep at 9:21 PM on June 20, 2009
Honestly, he lost points with me for not knowing Crom. You can't read an issue and not know that. He's been referred to as a comic collector repeatedly, and this proves that he clearly was not -- unless it was in the anti-nerd manner of buying boxes of comics as an investment and boxing them unread.
posted by CaseyB at 9:23 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by CaseyB at 9:23 PM on June 20, 2009
Honestly, he lost points with me for not knowing Crom. You can't read an issue and not know that.
Or he forgot. He may have other things on his mind.
posted by Mental Wimp at 9:52 PM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
Or he forgot. He may have other things on his mind.
posted by Mental Wimp at 9:52 PM on June 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
Wait, how could not remember Crom? Does he know about the riddle of steel? How can he lead us if he doesn't know these things?!
posted by homunculus at 9:54 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by homunculus at 9:54 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
Honestly, he lost points with me for not knowing Crom
It seemed to me like he knew the answer and decided it would be better not to play into what was obviously a leading question.
posted by o0o0o at 9:56 PM on June 20, 2009
It seemed to me like he knew the answer and decided it would be better not to play into what was obviously a leading question.
posted by o0o0o at 9:56 PM on June 20, 2009
Probably, when one is president of the United States, it's best not to correctly name the god in Conan the Barbarian in front of cameras.
posted by Ms. Saint at 10:06 PM on June 20, 2009 [11 favorites]
posted by Ms. Saint at 10:06 PM on June 20, 2009 [11 favorites]
He's afraid to. If he says it, he will offend Allah, and he's a secret Muslim as we all know.
posted by hippybear at 10:09 PM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
posted by hippybear at 10:09 PM on June 20, 2009 [3 favorites]
Not posted to Youtube: the following 14-minute speech by Justin Long about how the President is a cool dude who likes making home movies.
posted by mightygodking at 10:12 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by mightygodking at 10:12 PM on June 20, 2009 [1 favorite]
CROM WILL PUNISH OBAMA
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 10:13 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 10:13 PM on June 20, 2009
I have just seen a total of sixty or seventy minutes of Colbert strewn across various episodes, and maybe a half hour of it in the last two months. I have seen some high power of that in asshat commercials. It is a form of psychic vandalism, and I contend that no program, no matter how good, is worth that.
And that, my friend, is why you go to bittorrent. No commercials.
posted by five fresh fish at 10:20 PM on June 20, 2009
And that, my friend, is why you go to bittorrent. No commercials.
posted by five fresh fish at 10:20 PM on June 20, 2009
Crom be damned, I want some of whatever kid ichorous is smoking.
posted by rokusan at 11:35 PM on June 20, 2009
posted by rokusan at 11:35 PM on June 20, 2009
"They have established themselves as critics of media"
The daily show and colbert report have always been parodies of news media, and I'm pretty sure parody is usually critical.
posted by flaterik at 12:45 AM on June 21, 2009
The daily show and colbert report have always been parodies of news media, and I'm pretty sure parody is usually critical.
posted by flaterik at 12:45 AM on June 21, 2009
Honestly, he lost points with me for not knowing Crom
It seemed to me like he knew the answer and decided it would be better not to play into what was obviously a leading question.
Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with an out of context clip of, "President Obama, what is best in life?"
posted by rodgerd at 1:09 AM on June 21, 2009 [3 favorites]
It seemed to me like he knew the answer and decided it would be better not to play into what was obviously a leading question.
Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with an out of context clip of, "President Obama, what is best in life?"
posted by rodgerd at 1:09 AM on June 21, 2009 [3 favorites]
The problem with Colbert, or rather his act, is that he is as confined to a two-dimensional image as Dorian fucking Gray. He can never step out of his little caricature, all edges, but only relax or intensify it; he can give you O'Reilly on a good hair day or bad. Unlike Jon Stuart, who can on occasion take off the jester's cap and comport himself for an interview, Yorick here can only parrot and condescend. He cannot dialogue. He intends to live and die with the thing on.
I'm amazed you see it this way, as Colbert is about the most deft and even subtle comedian I can think of. He manages to point toward, perform, and directly nail all at the same time, and somehow all with a light heart, so that it never seems mean-spirited but just revealing.
Perhaps it's that Stewart switches between funny man and serious man, whereas Colbert walks a line of funny-serious man, which I find very appealing, but you may not. Still, it's missing the point to call him two-dimensional, since he is parodying the two-dimensional, so you've gotta give him at least another dimension for that (remember those Seinfeld live-action trailers for Bee Movie? He's like that, dressing up as a cartoon but so obviously not a cartoon himself...)
posted by mdn at 10:11 AM on June 21, 2009
I'm amazed you see it this way, as Colbert is about the most deft and even subtle comedian I can think of. He manages to point toward, perform, and directly nail all at the same time, and somehow all with a light heart, so that it never seems mean-spirited but just revealing.
Perhaps it's that Stewart switches between funny man and serious man, whereas Colbert walks a line of funny-serious man, which I find very appealing, but you may not. Still, it's missing the point to call him two-dimensional, since he is parodying the two-dimensional, so you've gotta give him at least another dimension for that (remember those Seinfeld live-action trailers for Bee Movie? He's like that, dressing up as a cartoon but so obviously not a cartoon himself...)
posted by mdn at 10:11 AM on June 21, 2009
It seemed to me like he knew the answer and decided it would be better not to play into what was obviously a leading question.
It was almost certainly this, or some variation thereof. Obama collects Conan the Barbarian comics specifically, it's impossible that he wouldn't have known.
posted by rifflesby at 11:42 AM on June 21, 2009
It was almost certainly this, or some variation thereof. Obama collects Conan the Barbarian comics specifically, it's impossible that he wouldn't have known.
posted by rifflesby at 11:42 AM on June 21, 2009
I want to know where Obama stands on the Mutant Registration Act.
posted by Artw at 10:33 AM on June 22, 2009
posted by Artw at 10:33 AM on June 22, 2009
Speaking as a nerd who read the most recent Conan incarnation for 50 issues or so, in an on-the-spot moment like that I wouldn't have remembered.
posted by graventy at 1:01 PM on June 22, 2009
posted by graventy at 1:01 PM on June 22, 2009
Crom laughs at you, he laughs from his mountain.
posted by Artw at 1:08 PM on June 22, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Artw at 1:08 PM on June 22, 2009 [1 favorite]
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