I would just show you my butt, right now.
July 11, 2012 8:44 PM   Subscribe

Ze Frank previously and Rainn Wilson talk about the Teen Brain.
posted by lazaruslong (28 comments total) 18 users marked this as a favorite

 
That. Was. AWESOME!
posted by JimmyJames at 9:00 PM on July 11, 2012 [1 favorite]


and songs like this
posted by philip-random at 9:03 PM on July 11, 2012


We sure talk down to teens a lot.
posted by glhaynes at 9:06 PM on July 11, 2012 [2 favorites]


I love Ze, but I've found the new version of The Show to be a bit precious for my tastes, most of the time. We need some more Those Brooklyn Stairs! and Fingers in Food as a release valve for the guru/life-coach persona he seems to be favoring.

If the Earth Were a Sandwich was a gag, not an actual thing...

solamente gags
posted by gerryblog at 9:08 PM on July 11, 2012 [4 favorites]


Just watched this. A++. Would watch again.
posted by jourman2 at 9:22 PM on July 11, 2012


We are so lucky to have Ze. So many wonderful lessons: how to dance properly... how the teen brain works... the spiral hot-dog...
posted by fartknocker at 9:31 PM on July 11, 2012


I've never seen this man (Ze) before, and I'm having trouble paying attention to him because when he talks, he opens his eyes so wide you can see the whole iris. It's weirdly hypnotic.
posted by snorkmaiden at 9:33 PM on July 11, 2012 [2 favorites]


Hypnotic? I found it screamed "Do NOT trust me! I am never sincere!"
posted by Goofyy at 9:52 PM on July 11, 2012 [1 favorite]


Yeah, that too. I both can't look away from his eyes and don't trust him, at the same time. If I were a teenager, I would feel roundly patronised.
posted by snorkmaiden at 9:57 PM on July 11, 2012


Is this what Beakman's World spun off into?
posted by stevil at 9:57 PM on July 11, 2012


Now I could--I would--right now I'd just show you my butt right now--I have no cares about that...

Priceless.
posted by weapons-grade pandemonium at 10:05 PM on July 11, 2012


The fact that he did not actually show his butt made a mockery of Rainn Wilson's claims.

And this is just anecdata, but I have never been more exquisitely aware of the consequences of my actions or more in control of my emotions that when I was a teenager. I may have emotional Benjamin Button disease.
posted by benito.strauss at 10:20 PM on July 11, 2012


I don't buy it. In my (adult) experience, the reason adults are able to make "wise" decisions and do things that prevent problems from happening by "thinking ahead" is that they've already had bad experiences that came from failing to do the right thing. As a result, whenever they are placed in a situation that reminds them of the bad experience they had, it sticks out into consciousness enough to make them ponder how to prevent it happening again. It doesn't have anything to do with teenagers not having "access to the frontal lobe where wisdom is stored." If you ask adults why they are doing something that seems like it involves "thinking ahead," they'll give you a very nice and sensible explanation that makes you think "how logical and smart! of course that seems quite convincing! why didn't I think of that?" but really they're just post-hoc rationalizing a way of thinking which is mostly drawing on learning and experience (both directly or vicariously, e.g. through reading). Rainn Wilson knows now he has the social expertise to handle the social consequences of a butt exhibition, so he doesn't freak out as much as he did as a teenager, when the social consequences were worse and he didn't know what sort of things to say to defuse people's reactions.
posted by Harvey Kilobit at 10:21 PM on July 11, 2012 [1 favorite]


I wish this kind of stuff came with a disclaimer that's like, hey, so you're a teenager and people keep telling you that feeling like the world is ending is part of that, but if you literally want to die a lot of the time, that's worse than regular teenagerhood and you probably have depression. Or something. Because I was so constantly told to dismiss my emotions as a part of adolescent madness and I had no perspective AT ALL that the depression thing didn't really click right and I spent probably 6 years of my life with depression looming over me and not really doing anything about it.
posted by NoraReed at 10:54 PM on July 11, 2012 [2 favorites]


I think that's the third time in the past week or two but only the third time in my life that I've seen or heard the term "googly eyes" -- one was in a bondcliff askme and the other was... somewhere I forget at the moment -- but anyway: are "googly eyes" a current consumer fad?
posted by pracowity at 11:36 PM on July 11, 2012


And come to think of it, Ze keeps giving us those "runaway bride"/"googly" eyes in this video.
posted by pracowity at 12:27 AM on July 12, 2012


I wish he'd just shut up. And also, give his upper brow muscles a rest. Douche-tastic.
posted by ReeMonster at 12:31 AM on July 12, 2012


Adults! Always with those EXPEDIT shelving units.
posted by rongorongo at 12:50 AM on July 12, 2012


And what do neuroscientists know anyway? I use my brain to tell me how my brain works, and there's no way that could go wrong.
posted by zoo at 1:19 AM on July 12, 2012 [2 favorites]


Nooo! Not brains again, I'm so sick of brains.
posted by quoquo at 1:23 AM on July 12, 2012


So, they end by saying that (bona fide) adults have privileged access to reality, because they have their emotions under control or because their emotions are toned down or because their emotions have a sort of built in rationality (correct me if this is hyperbole compared to what Ze actually says in the end). But doesn't this boil down to the same thing they suppose in the beginning in order to correct it, i.e. the Aristotelian picture: Teenagers are drunk idiots, incomplete adults, due to their incomplete brains?

We are our brains, yes, but that identity only helps us understand ourselves when we look at our brains to a certain extend, because brains are things, but we are people.

They do make a good point about the problematic relation between the 1st person vs 3rd person perspective bona fide alienated teenagers have. The 3rd person perspective onto themselves informs them about their stance in relation to their social peers and others in general. Assuming that perspective I look at myself in comparison to others along countless scales, looks, eloquence, number of limbs etc. There is no robust objectivity in that perspective, because it's me who's looking, so certain things I regard about others always have something to do with me too, although I might think that I have a clear picture of the other. If you do not implicitly know about this relativity, your 1st person perspective is bound to be alienated by your 3rd person perspective. The things you deliberately do (1st person) will be authoritatively informed by things you others do, but which you haven't fully understood, because you do not take your own perspective onto those things others to into account. You're trying to be a social robot, following rules, which aren't rules but things people do, people like you.
posted by quoquo at 2:06 AM on July 12, 2012


Come on, folks. This is the internet. These weren't two famed neuroscientists addressing a panel of fellow luminaries regarding the oddities of adolescent thinking! This was two guys with names like Ze and Rainn (that should tell you something right there) whose goal is to, get this, entertain you and somehow make money doing it!

I didn't think they were that far off, they were reassuring if nothing more, and they didn't say something like, oh, I don't know, like maybe:

"Assuming that perspective I look at myself in comparison to others along countless scales, looks, eloquence, number of limbs etc. There is no robust objectivity in that perspective, because it's me who's looking, so certain things I regard about others always have something to do with me too, although I might think that I have a clear picture of the other. If you do not implicitly know about this relativity, your 1st person perspective is bound to be alienated by your 3rd person perspective. The things you deliberately do (1st person) will be authoritatively informed by things you others do, but which you haven't fully understood, because you do not take your own perspective onto those things others to into account. You're trying to be a social robot, following rules, which aren't rules but things people do, people like you"

Because a teen would get, like, halfway through that and say, "hey, Dude, let's go get high" and be outa here.... (don't get me wrong, quoquo, I agree with what you said, it just sort of made me want to zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)

It was entertaining, with a smidgen of truth stuff.

yes, I'm a fan of both Ze and Rainn.
posted by HuronBob at 3:42 AM on July 12, 2012


I couldn't watch....dude never takes a breath....it was giving me anxiety....
posted by pearlybob at 5:48 AM on July 12, 2012


I love almost everything that Ze Frank's done with the new show. It's like John Green but more . . . earnest?
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 7:15 AM on July 12, 2012 [1 favorite]


if you literally want to die a lot of the time, that's worse than regular teenagerhood and you probably have depression.

Yeah, this is an excellent point. I was nineteen before I realized that most people actually DIDN'T feel that way and it wasn't that there was some massive denial-related conspiracy to cover up the fact that we were all suicidal, it was actually normal not to want to kill yourself.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 7:54 AM on July 12, 2012


I don't buy it either. Adults are constantly doing stupid stupid shit. High school never ended for a lot of people. Dumb teens will egg someone's car because they're bored, dumb adults will order the invasion of Iraq for basically the same reason.

Adults do their stupid drama over longer timespans and in lower tones than teens because they don't have the energy for the kind of intensity that teens can produce. The main source of the wisdom of age is having made that particular mistake before. If we're lucky we can learn from someone else's mistake too, but that's less common, either for adults or teenagers.
posted by echo target at 8:44 AM on July 12, 2012


I couldn't watch....dude never takes a breath....it was giving me anxiety....

It's the Jay Smooth editing style.
posted by pracowity at 10:34 AM on July 12, 2012


"I would just show you my butt right now," says a rich and very famous actor who's used to being on millions of screens every day, marveling at how being exposed is "such a big deal" to these idiot teens.
posted by glhaynes at 2:07 PM on July 12, 2012 [1 favorite]


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