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Obama and Romney battle it out, rap style
October 22, 2012 2:56 PM   Subscribe

President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney will have the final debate of the US Presidential race tonight. Yawning at the thought of a formulaic back and forth, while secretly hoping for a rap battle? Then look beneath the fold for examples of explicit lyrical parodies.

MC Bama may have 99 problems but Mitt ain’t one. Did I say Mitt? My bad, I meant RMoney. Not that Barack Flacka Flames cares, as he mixes it up hard core gangsta style with Head of State while Romney shakes it like a Etch-A-Sketch.

What's that, you want rap battles?
Alright then, watch Epic Rap Battles of History get crazy with it in the studio, as does Funny or Die. Those too polished for ya? Then take it to the streets!

Finally, Juice Rap News takes a more nuanced and serious look at the issues. Stick around for the last minute, so you don't get too depressed.

The debate, focused on foreign policy, starts at 9pm EST.
posted by Brandon Blatcher (4475 comments total) 51 users marked this as a favorite

 
I will again do my best to stay awake to see this epic battle.

(2 out of 3 so far!)
posted by iamkimiam at 3:01 PM on October 22, 2012


I was kinda hoping there'd be no new debate thread and last week's debate thread would have a shot at beating the recently set longest thread record.
posted by Kattullus at 3:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Final Debate Could Prove Pivotal -- "With 15 days left in a deadlocked presidential contest, candidates get their final chance to show a side-by-side comparison to millions of Americans."
posted by ericb at 3:02 PM on October 22, 2012


Also noteworthy, Key & Peele: Obama Raps
posted by maryr at 3:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


This one's on foreign policy. Everyone look for Bin Ladin's head on a stick around the half-hour mark.
posted by shakespeherian at 3:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Mr Romney, what do you propose to do in order to bring about a resolution in Syria?"

"Well, my staff has shown me binders full of bombs we can use"

also, drink whenever Romney says "I know what it takes!"
posted by ninjew at 3:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


A friend of mind asked me this and I couldn't answer: what's the over/under on Romney blaming something on birds?
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


Mitt Romney Style (Gangnam Style Parody)
posted by homunculus at 3:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney's foreign policy cred: He sat at a desk near the Olympics once.
posted by shakespeherian at 3:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Now I am sad that I have no Rap Snacks on hand.
posted by elizardbits at 3:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Look below ye and weep young thread...
posted by Jaybo at 3:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


That OctoberSurprise thing is about to happen.
posted by The Whelk at 3:06 PM on October 22, 2012


"Je m'appele Mitt Romney...A president is not a foreign policy expert."
posted by obscurator at 3:07 PM on October 22, 2012


Be back later, hopefully.
posted by obscurator at 3:07 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm going to make this one, sensible and intelligent post, then I'm going to make dinner, open the bottle(s) of wine and watch the debate... All bets are off at that point.... (and, in the spirit of this clever debate kick off) "Yo"
posted by HuronBob at 3:08 PM on October 22, 2012


That OctoberSurprise thing is about to happen.

So we're not going to Black Angus?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 3:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


I posted these Esquire links in the old thread, but they belong more here:

Charles P. Pierce: War Is Not the Answer, So War Becomes the Answer: Your Final Unaccountable-Executive-Branch Debate

Tom Junod: The Lethal Debate: Questions About Killing
posted by homunculus at 3:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The foundation for a sound foreign policy is when a man and a woman get married before they start having babies.
posted by perhapses at 3:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [23 favorites]


I have a hearing tomorrow that I should be prepping for. But I'm going to lose anyways, it's really stressing me out and I just won't be able to be productive until late tonight / early tomorrow morning (my typical reaction to stress. Need to fix it.)

So let's watch the debate!
posted by Lemurrhea at 3:10 PM on October 22, 2012


hey guys I heard there was a baseball game tonight?
posted by 2bucksplus at 3:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


So we're not going to Black Angus?

I am incredibly shamed that I know that quote and its context.
posted by Pope Guilty at 3:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I confidently (and with dismay) expect variations on the theme "No Daylight Between Us and Israel." Mitt will be singing this number long and loud.
posted by GrammarMoses at 3:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Mr Romney, what do you propose to do in order to bring about a resolution in Syria?"

"That's something that I will disclose once I'm elected president."
posted by indubitable at 3:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Any ideas where a non-cable having American in Quebec can watch this final debate?
posted by Kitteh at 3:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Great post, B.
posted by box at 3:12 PM on October 22, 2012


War Is Not the Answer, So War Becomes the Answer: Your Final Unaccountable-Executive-Branch Debate

Actually, I believe Romney's answer to any war related question will be along the lines of "war would not happen if there were fewer single mothers."
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Kitteh: CNN.com?
posted by carsonb at 3:13 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh fuck, and with that I'm following this thread.
posted by carsonb at 3:14 PM on October 22, 2012


Whooooooop, here I am.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 3:14 PM on October 22, 2012


As long as CNN.com allows Canadian IP addys, then that should be good!
posted by Kitteh at 3:14 PM on October 22, 2012


I wonder if Peter King has given us a preview for tonight:

GOP Jumps The Shark: Congressman Suggests Obama Doctored Libyan Intelligence To Win Reelection

In related news: Rep. Issa Defends Potentially Endangering Libyan Lives
posted by homunculus at 3:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Kitteh, I've been watching on CSPAN's website from Ontario, it's been pretty good. Not as much stupid commentary as CNN.
posted by Lemurrhea at 3:15 PM on October 22, 2012


14 minutes until the big "October Surprise"
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 3:16 PM on October 22, 2012


I hope it's somehow related to Homestuck.
posted by The Whelk at 3:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


The latest Gallup numbers are killing me. 56/49. Ermagahd.
posted by pxe2000 at 3:17 PM on October 22, 2012


That October Surprise website is just a rickroll, btw.
posted by 2bucksplus at 3:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'm relaxing in my binder, waiting.
posted by SillyShepherd at 3:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


SweetTeaAndABiscuit: “14 minutes until the big ‘October Surprise’”

Don't get too excited.
posted by koeselitz at 3:18 PM on October 22, 2012


I've been wanting to say this for a while but I just haven't been able to bring myself to compile quotes and cites so I'm just going to say it: Darrell Issa is a dick.
posted by Room 641-A at 3:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


I'll be watching baseball first and catching up on the debate (and thread) on recorded playback!
posted by TwoWordReview at 3:18 PM on October 22, 2012


*kicks rock with shoe* it's never aliens for real.
posted by The Whelk at 3:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I just voted! An incredibly old dude handed me a CONSERVATIVE VOTER GUIDE right outside the no more signs zone and I helpfully used it to make sure that my pre-researched choices weren't approved by the guide. Thanks, republican women's club of central nc!

I am clinging to the hope that the polls look so bad because everyone who has already voted has stopped answering their phones.
posted by winna at 3:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Yeah, his dickishness has long since surpassed the kudos he earned for fighting SOPA.
posted by TwoWordReview at 3:19 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm watching to keep track of how many ways Obama calls bullshit on Romney without actually using the word "lie."
posted by ambrosia at 3:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


You say you're still undecided
Like a 'tard on the telly
Always stuck behind fools
just like you at the deli
posted by Blue Meanie at 3:20 PM on October 22, 2012


Don't miss that Epic Rap Battle of History below the fold, it's amazing. EAGLE.

pxe2000, Nate Silver argues Gallup's track record is not that great when their numbers significantly diverge from the consensus (as they are now).
posted by Rhaomi at 3:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Rude Pundit: What Obama Should Say, Part 3.
posted by notsnot at 3:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I know the "October Surprise" is supposed to be a rickroll but I'm crossing my fingers for a true surprise.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 3:23 PM on October 22, 2012


(Warning: Rude)
posted by notsnot at 3:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Like goatse?
posted by maryr at 3:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I am flabbergasted at how close this thing is, and have my fingers crossed that Five Thirty Eight's electoral college forecast is the one that is on the money.
posted by never used baby shoes at 3:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


THE SURPRISE IS A PONY YOU GET A PONY AND YOU GET A PONY EVERYBODY GETS A PONY
posted by The Whelk at 3:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [14 favorites]


...that was meant as a reply for crushing SweetTea's hopes and dreams, but yes, it is rude.
posted by maryr at 3:26 PM on October 22, 2012


Also I belive the GOP knocked Reddit's servers down in order to prevent the spread of hilarious debate memes.
posted by The Whelk at 3:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


And oh god that poor pony.
posted by maryr at 3:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


There's a Very Important baseball game on when the debate is happening, so once again, I rely on you all to keep me snickering and up to date on what they say. Many thanks.
posted by rtha at 3:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


How is this race even close? Wait, maybe my question contains a keyword.
posted by maxwelton at 3:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [29 favorites]


A dancing horse pony?
posted by Gary at 3:27 PM on October 22, 2012


If the October surprise people had any sense of Internet history it would be a spiderman made you gay gif. Old school pre YouTube hijinkery.
posted by The Whelk at 3:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


In a way "Never Gonna Give You Up" is a pro-Obama 2012 message.
posted by 2bucksplus at 3:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


Directory Listing Denied

Damn You October!!!! *shakes fist impotently*
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 3:30 PM on October 22, 2012


That October Surprise site is down now.
posted by 3200 at 3:30 PM on October 22, 2012


timer stopped and site goes poof? Well that was anticlimactic.
posted by Big_B at 3:31 PM on October 22, 2012


October Surprise:

Directory Listing Denied
This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.


Maybe they stored it on Amazon's servers...
posted by FJT at 3:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


SURPRISE!
posted by maryr at 3:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The surprise is in our hearts, right?
posted by FJT at 3:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Surprise!
posted by trunk muffins at 3:31 PM on October 22, 2012


So the Octsurprise countdown finished and nothing seemed to happen. I tried to reload the page and it seems to have failed.

OMG OBAMA SHUT DOWN THE INTERNET!
posted by Lemurrhea at 3:31 PM on October 22, 2012


Ah. It's back up now with some sort of link to documents. I'm not clicking it. Please tell me what I've missed.
posted by 3200 at 3:32 PM on October 22, 2012


still loading. might be goatse or seizure robots or rgb.

sigh
posted by raihan_ at 3:32 PM on October 22, 2012


Omg I need to punch someone in the nuts RIGHT NOW.
posted by Big_B at 3:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


SURPRISE
posted by The Whelk at 3:33 PM on October 22, 2012


SHOCKING!!
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 3:33 PM on October 22, 2012


The documents are a frank assessment of American foreign policy in terms of giving up, letting down, running around, &c. taped in secret during a meeting with Rear Admiral R. Astley.
posted by cortex at 3:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [21 favorites]


It's...a rickroll.
posted by ymgve at 3:33 PM on October 22, 2012


For me it links to a blank white page; an unmistakable Romney endorsement.
posted by 2bucksplus at 3:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Omg I need to punch someone in the nuts RIGHT NOW.

Surely there is a single word in German that means this.
posted by poe at 3:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [23 favorites]


Please tell me what I've missed.

Well let's just say that it's never going to give you up.
posted by Big_B at 3:34 PM on October 22, 2012


It's Rick Astley.
posted by Gary at 3:34 PM on October 22, 2012


Well. That was terribly funny.
posted by 3200 at 3:34 PM on October 22, 2012


If the "October Surprise" doesn't involve pickles, I ain't interested.
posted by Greg Nog at 3:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Nüssenschmerzsofort
posted by perhapses at 3:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


It's drone music! Nooooo!!!!!
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 3:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


THE SURPRISE IS A PONY YOU GET A PONY AND YOU GET A PONY EVERYBODY GETS A PONY

no because it's enough work to mind the, uh, leavings of my small dog. so no, I'm going to consider a pony to be a punishment and would react accordingly
posted by ninjew at 3:37 PM on October 22, 2012


That pickle is kinda scary.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 3:37 PM on October 22, 2012


Final Debate Could Prove Pivotal -- "With 15 days left in a deadlocked presidential contest, candidates get their final chance to show a side-by-side comparison to millions of Americans."

Translation: You should watch the debates on television so we can sell lots and lots of advertising.
posted by NedKoppel at 3:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


In all the reliable polls, Mitt's numbers moving up, and in keh Ohio, he is closing gap with 5 point difference now
posted by Postroad at 3:39 PM on October 22, 2012


The surprise is that it's actually a pretty aesthetically radical dubstep remix of Never Gonna Give You Up, but we're all so dead inside that we can't even tell anymore.
posted by cortex at 3:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


I don't know if I can handle the next two weeks. I'm wearing out the CTRL and R keys on my laptop reloading 538.com every five minutes.
posted by octothorpe at 3:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Move on to F5.
posted by maryr at 3:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


RIDE OUR PONIES INTO THE FUTURE
posted by homunculus at 3:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Would that be the F5-point plan?
posted by trunk muffins at 3:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


oh man, it's kinda tempting to stay up to watch the debate, but I've gotta teach tomorrow and stuff, and the internet at home is slow and kinda expensive in this part of Africa......... I'm relying on you all to carry forward the spirit of YAD KCOL SPAC into this debate.
posted by kaibutsu at 3:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Would that be the F5-point plan?

I know what it takes.
posted by never used baby shoes at 3:49 PM on October 22, 2012


At least that would be functional.
posted by maryr at 3:51 PM on October 22, 2012


Metafilter: That pickle is kinda scary.

(hi guys i'm on nyquil real bad k)
posted by palomar at 3:52 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Would that be the F5-point plan?

It's actually an F1-point plan: refresh the tax cuts. Umm.
posted by ersatz at 3:53 PM on October 22, 2012


No Daylight Between Us and Israel

Leave some room for the holy ghost, there, young man!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 3:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


Help?
posted by rabbitrabbit at 3:54 PM on October 22, 2012


picked a terrible day to take a break from drinking...
posted by SomaSoda at 3:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


What I would like to see is a mash-up of the debate as an epic rap battle combined with a Gangam Style parody using elements of "Somebody That I Used To Know" moderated by Jenna Marbles.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


I was just thinking maybe I'll try the drinking game approach tonight.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 3:56 PM on October 22, 2012


It's actually an F1-point plan: refresh the tax cuts. Umm.

Nonsense, it wouldn't help at all.
posted by howfar at 3:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I will just follow along on facebook. I have an eclectic friends list so I should be fine.
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 3:59 PM on October 22, 2012


Wait, it starts at 9 and not 8? BUT I ALREADY STARTED DRINKING WTF.

i mean it's just decaf green tea but still

i will have to pee soon
posted by elizardbits at 4:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


CNN: Debate To Be Moderated By Hologram Tupac
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 4:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


I was just thinking maybe I'll try the drinking game approach tonight.

I keep wondering how people can play drinking games with the debates without dying of alcohol poisoning.
posted by audi alteram partem at 4:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


It's actually an F1-point plan

As exciting as the new COTA track is, I don't think it will make a noticeable impact on the economy.
posted by ceribus peribus at 4:02 PM on October 22, 2012


72 year old Freedom Rider John Lewis kicks it up Gangnam style to get out the vote in Atlanta - you are my hero, sir.
posted by madamjujujive at 4:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


I know the "October Surprise" is supposed to be a rickroll but I'm crossing my fingers for a true surprise.

Don't give up hope yet: Donald Trump, Gloria Allred Rumored To Have “October Surprises” for Campaigns
posted by homunculus at 4:07 PM on October 22, 2012


C-SPAN is doing their pregame show.
posted by shakespeherian at 4:07 PM on October 22, 2012


New Revelation At '47%' Dinner - Romney Was Hoping For Something Like Iran Hostage Crisis (VIDEO)
posted by homunculus at 4:07 PM on October 22, 2012


OK NOW CAN I HAVE A BINGO CARD PLEASE
posted by bq at 4:14 PM on October 22, 2012


I just voted! An incredibly old dude handed me a CONSERVATIVE VOTER GUIDE right outside the no more signs zone and I helpfully used it to make sure that my pre-researched choices weren't approved by the guide. Thanks, republican women's club of central nc!

I am clinging to the hope that the polls look so bad because everyone who has already voted has stopped answering their phones.


Heh, Winna, great minds think alike. I saved my Republican guide that came in the mail so I could take it in with me to see who not to vote for. Our local early voting station here in Garner NC doesn't open until Wednesday, however, so I have to wait.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:14 PM on October 22, 2012


Hey guys please keep politics out of this thread - this is a rap music thread.
posted by Mister_A at 4:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


New Revelation At '47%' Dinner - Romney Was Hoping For Something Like Iran Hostage Crisis (VIDEO)

I don't think any commentary I can give to this wandering drunken horsefly of a response from Mitt could do it justice, but basically, someone asks Mitt the completely bizarre question of how he could go about "duplicating" the Iran Hostage Crisis to his favor. The one where eight US servicemen died, that is. Instead of responding like any decent human being to such a suggestion, Mitt says the following:
I appreciate the idea. I can't—one of the other things that's frustrating to me is that at a typical day like this, when I do three or four events like this, the number of foreign policy questions that I get are between zero and one. And the American people are not concentrated at all on China, on Russia, Iran, Iraq. This president's failure to put in place a status forces agreement allowing 10-20,000 troops to stay in Iraq? Unthinkable! And yet, in that election, in the Jimmy Carter election, the fact that we have hostages in Iran, I mean, that was all we talked about. And we had the two helicopters crash in the desert, I mean that's—that was—that was the focus, and so him solving that made all the difference in the world. I'm afraid today if you said, "We got Iran to agree to stand down a nuclear weapon," they'd go hold on. It's really a, but…by the way, if something of that nature presents itself, I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 4:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I just want everybody to know in advance I'm busting a huge fever right now, loaded with all sorts of meds, and I WILL GO FERAL IF CASPER GETS UP IN ANYONE'S FACE.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 4:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


CRAZY PEOPLE CALL C-SPAN
posted by shakespeherian at 4:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


That Rmoney sketch is going to give me nightmares. Something about the giant plastic bobblehead Romney is even scarier than the regular one.
posted by winna at 4:20 PM on October 22, 2012


CAN THEY DEBATE IN ALL CAPS?
posted by localhuman at 4:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


In all the reliable polls, Mitt's numbers moving up, and in keh Ohio, he is closing gap with 5 point difference now

"keh" is a combination of "key" and "eh"
posted by telstar at 4:25 PM on October 22, 2012


Something about the giant plastic bobblehead Romney is even scarier than the regular one.

how do you tell the difference?
posted by HuronBob at 4:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


IF ROMNEY WINS, I'M MOVING. I'VE GOT MY EYE ON A SWEET LITTLE BUNGALOW TWO STREETS OVER.
posted by Mental Wimp at 4:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


If Romney wins we are all moving... to China
posted by edgeways at 4:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


how do you tell the difference?

Giant plastic bobblehead Romney is less likely to start a war with Iran.
posted by localroger at 4:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]



Giant plastic bobblehead Romney: is consistent on his positions
posted by edgeways at 4:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


New Revelation At '47%' Dinner - Romney Was Hoping For Something Like Iran Hostage Crisis (VIDEO)
"I appreciate the idea. I can't—one of the other things that's frustrating to me is that at a typical day like this, when I do three or four events like this, the number of foreign policy questions that I get are between zero and one".
And by 'foreign policy' I mean 'treason'.
posted by Room 641-A at 4:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Giant plastic bobblehead Romney prolly has more respect for women as actual human beings and not just mindless baby machines.
posted by elizardbits at 4:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Giant plastic bobblehead Romney is less likely to start a war with Iran.

I wonder how Giant plastic bobblehead Romney would do this? Send itself as a gag gift that turns out to be so not funny to the recipient in Iran that they retaliate?
posted by Hicksu at 4:33 PM on October 22, 2012


I keep wondering how people can play drinking games with the debates without dying of alcohol poisoning.

Well I'm Scots-Irish soooooo
posted by The Whelk at 4:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Send itself as a gag gift that turns out to be so not funny to the recipient in Iran that they retaliate?

If you were an ayatollah and you received a Giant Plastic Bobblehead Romney in the mail, would you not want to reply with nukes?
posted by localroger at 4:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


WWGPBhRD?
posted by shakespeherian at 4:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


If Romney wins....that could be it for the Post Office. On a personal level this is really scary, serious stuff because that's where our family income and medical insurance comes from.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Well I'm Scots-Irish soooooo

...when you see a haggis you don't know whether to eat it, or shove it up your ass!
posted by howfar at 4:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Giant plastic bobblehead Romney is less scary than the real thing. Plus, full of candY. Maybe.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:39 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm sure the hostage Romney clip will get removed from context, but in terms of the whole question his response doesn't seem that bad. He's saying that IF he had the opportunity to negotiate some major foriegn policy thing (freeing hostages,) he'd take advantage of the opportunity. If anything, it's just irritating business speak. That said, it does sound pretty bad out of context - wonder if we'll hear about it tonight.
posted by Wulfhere at 4:40 PM on October 22, 2012


New Revelation At '47%' Dinner

I have clearly been a little too deep in the weeds on this stuff the last few weeks, because my first thought was "wait, there's more footage now?" and my second thought was "oh, no, that person posting on dailykos just hasn't been paying any fucking attention to the footage scene" and then my third thought was "I sound like I'm writing Pattern Recognition fanfic now".
posted by cortex at 4:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [18 favorites]


In today's 13 national polls, it's 47.38 to 47.31. I'd tell you who led, except that it doesn't matter.
posted by fullerine at 4:41 PM on October 22, 2012


Real life is basically William Gibson fanfic at this point.
posted by The Whelk at 4:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [24 favorites]


The DailyKos person would have known if they were paying attention to the 47% motherthread.
posted by TwoWordReview at 4:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Are we really going to have two debate threads?
posted by futz at 4:47 PM on October 22, 2012


Uh, that new revelation was in the original video.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 4:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Curious to see if either of them will attempt to shift things to domestic or other issues.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:48 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney Supports a Woman's Right to Choose What She Makes For Dinner
posted by triggerfinger at 4:48 PM on October 22, 2012


That said, it does sound pretty bad out of context...

I THOUGHT IT SOUNDED PRETTY BAD IN CONTEXT. HOPING FOR BAD THINGS: "Romney: Ohhhh. [A few chuckles in audience.] I'm gonna ask you, how do I duplicate that scenario."
posted by Mental Wimp at 4:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Giant plastic bobblehead Romney is less scary than the real thing. Plus, full of candY. Maybe.

Well it's definitely full of something, but I don't think that's candy.
posted by localroger at 4:49 PM on October 22, 2012



picked a terrible day to take a break from drinking... sniffing glue.
posted by Danf at 4:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oh Brandon, I think that's a given. I anticipate every foreign policy question getting a basic answer and then a pivot to "and that's why a strong economy is imperative."
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 4:51 PM on October 22, 2012


I think Obama has a distinct advantage in the foreign policy area, and I hope he presses it by tying Romney to the Republican's dismal performance during the Bush administration.
posted by vibrotronica at 4:52 PM on October 22, 2012


Dang, I forgot and favorited a few items early today.

Gonna run out early. Thas OK, keep on with the wise comments, cogent analyses, and plentiful snarks.
posted by BlueHorse at 4:53 PM on October 22, 2012


Well the exporting jobs overseas is a given, it is both domestic and Foreign Policy
posted by edgeways at 4:54 PM on October 22, 2012


A Comprehensive Timeline Of Mitt Romney’s Foreign Policy Positions During The Campaign
posted by homunculus at 4:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


"How can he be tough on China" was one of Obama's best zingers from debate #2.
posted by localroger at 4:55 PM on October 22, 2012


The Etch-a-Sketch one sounds like JJ Fad doing topical political rap THIS IS A GOOD THING

The rap battle with the eagle? Romney's rhymes were sicker, sorry. The actor realized that he'd be better off not tied to Romney's actual mannerisms; that sunk rappin' Obama.

But the 99 problems was surprisingly solid.
posted by klangklangston at 4:58 PM on October 22, 2012


A Comprehensive Timeline Of Mitt Romney’s Foreign Policy Positions

Oh good lord this is the scariest thing I think I've ever seen.
posted by ndfine at 5:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


""How can he be tough on China" was one of Obama's best zingers from debate #2."

Yeah, it was. Too bad conservatives went galloping off with a load of bullshit about how because the fixed legislative pension Obama gets has investments abroad that means they're totally equal. Which is bullshit, but like most things in this election, voters bright enough to catch it already know who they're voting for.

I've said it before — we always get the hippies, they always get the assholes, it's just a question of how the moron vote breaks.
posted by klangklangston at 5:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


i'm not watching, but i know i can count on this thread to let me know which B-word becomes the new Romney meme.
posted by sio42 at 5:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


October Surprise: Romney declares war on the United Kingdom.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 5:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I want this debate to lead to the headline: "The Gif that cost Romney the election."
posted by drezdn at 5:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


I don't care what anyone thinks anymore. I love that damn song.
posted by Roger Dodger at 5:04 PM on October 22, 2012


Who ges the Hippie assholes?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Is it that the Democrats say less meme-able things, or that the internet is left-leaning too far to exploit that to the fullest? Or some sort of weird bias on my part? Just, between Big Bird, Binders full or women, invisible Obama...
posted by Andrhia at 5:04 PM on October 22, 2012


Giant plastic bobblehead Romney doesn't hate the entirety of birdkind.
posted by winna at 5:06 PM on October 22, 2012


Who ges the Hippie assholes?

I think that would be Dennis Hopper.
posted by localroger at 5:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Who ges the Hippie assholes?

Libertarians, anarchists, and conspiracy groups.
posted by The Whelk at 5:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Any ideas where a non-cable having American in Quebec can watch this final debate?

It's on CBC Newsworld (English station). Try one of the big hotel bars, like the Chateau Frontenac, and ask the bartender to switch stations if it's not on.
posted by weapons-grade pandemonium at 5:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


So Romeny hates birds.

Someone should check to make sure he's not chewing nitrogen gum at all times.
posted by The Whelk at 5:07 PM on October 22, 2012


OK NOW CAN I HAVE A BINGO CARD PLEASE

@acarvin

For tonight's bingo card: Benghazi, currency manipulator, 20% enrichment, no daylight, draw-down, arm the opposition, Bin Laden, Islamist.
posted by SomaSoda at 5:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


If Mitt says "Bob" more than three times in a row, drink the whole glass. You're done.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I think Bibi, Romney's old friend, needs to be on the bingo card.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 5:10 PM on October 22, 2012


add - apology tour, no fixed date, our fine men and women in uniform, Arab Spring, Muslim Brotherhood
posted by edgeways at 5:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


it's just a question of how the moron vote breaks.

Yeah, *sigh* but if we're going by the "which one would you like to have a beer with" standard that worked so well for GWB, that doesn't work out so well for Romney, even when you factor in all the naked racists.
posted by localroger at 5:12 PM on October 22, 2012


If I knew for sure that Obama would mention the numerous gaffes from Romney's recent totally unnecessary and self-injurious international gaffe-based tour, I would totally watch this thing.
posted by theredpen at 5:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Take a drink every time Romney proclaims his superior Leadership without saying what he'd do differently, what different policies he would advance, or what exactly Obama did to not have Leadership.

Actually, don't, you'll die.
posted by 0xFCAF at 5:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


A Comprehensive Timeline Of Mitt Romney’s Foreign Policy Positions

Oh good lord this is the scariest thing I think I've ever seen.


If you think that's scary, Romney has Cofer Black as a foreign policy adviser. This is the same guy who was part of the Bush/CIA team that allowed 9/11 to happen and then went on to help run Blackwater/Xe/Academi or whatever they are calling themselves now.

We saw what happened with Cheney during the Bush years, when voters let the fox in the henhouse. If you want your military replaced with corrupt, incompetent and unaccountable mercenaries — if you want your tax dollars going to pay for the military to be taken apart and outsourced like another Bain Capital property — Romney's your man.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 5:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


I have the feeling we will not be seeing the narcoleptic Obama from debate #1 tonight. I just hope we also don't see the narcoleptic moderator.
posted by localroger at 5:14 PM on October 22, 2012


I am on a tight schedule here, people. Get the stew simmmering, start the rice, move the car, and open another beer. Can I make it? The BF is just realizing that this means no Boardwalk Empire tonight.
posted by computech_apolloniajames at 5:16 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm baking a potato among other things
posted by The Whelk at 5:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


If you think that's scary, Romney has Cofer Black as a foreign policy adviser. This is the same guy who was part of the Bush/CIA team that allowed 9/11 to happen and then went on to help run Blackwater/Xe/Academi or whatever they are calling themselves now.

Yeah. This is definitely one of those cases where if there has to be a slate of war hungry oligarchs controlling our foreign policy, I at least hope it's the war criminals in the Obama administration and not the almost-definitely-worse potential war criminals in a Romney administration. I then just have a sad.
posted by ndfine at 5:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


The talking heads are predicting tonight's debate won't be as contentious as last week's, especially on Romney's part, as he needs to come across calm and sober and presidential.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 5:19 PM on October 22, 2012


Is there anyone in particular that I should be following on twitter during the debate (not that you guys aren't good enough for me, but I thought I would approach this sort of like Mitt's polygamist heritage would advocate).
posted by HuronBob at 5:20 PM on October 22, 2012


BBC is running a report where John McCain is quoted as saying "It was Osama Bin Laden who said there is a strong horse and a weak horse and clearly we're the weak horse"

OTHER THAN THE WHOLE KILLING HIM THING YEAH?
posted by fullerine at 5:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


The BF is just realizing that this means no Boardwalk Empire tonight.

Doesn't Boardwalk Empire air Sunday nights?
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 5:21 PM on October 22, 2012


Doesn't Boardwalk Empire air Sunday nights?

yes but time lords
posted by elizardbits at 5:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


The talking heads are predicting tonight's debate won't be as contentious as last week's

Expect those heads to say the same thing immediately after the debate is finished. Commentary that comes out minutes after an event was written before the event took place.
posted by ceribus peribus at 5:23 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Here's the good bingo card:

http://www.backupbrain.com/debate-bingo/
posted by bq at 5:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Commentary that comes out minutes after an event was written before the event took place.

I hereby retract every statement I've made immediately after having sex.
posted by HuronBob at 5:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'm sure the hostage Romney clip will get removed from context, but in terms of the whole question his response doesn't seem that bad.

The 47% video came out on Sept. 17. On Sept. 13, after the Libya and Egypt attacks, a Romney advisor, probably Lanhee Chen, said this:
“We’ve had this consistent critique and narrative on Obama’s foreign policy, and we felt this was a situation that met our critique, that Obama really has been pretty weak in a number of ways on foreign policy, especially if you look at his dealings with the Arab Spring and its aftermath,” one of Mr. Romney’s senior advisers said on Wednesday.
The original source of the quote is the NYT, but see this post from TPM.

Based on their actual actions, it seems clear that "opportunity" meant political opportunity. If anything, the video explains what Romney was trying to accomplish with his fake dudgeon after Benghazi.
posted by Bokmakierie at 5:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


yes but time lords

The doctor needs to pop in and smack Nucky, then leave.
posted by The Whelk at 5:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Debate #1 suggests that the format favors Romney, but Romney is very, very weak on foreign policy in general, almost Palin weak. I think a lot is going to depend on whether Schieffer follows Lehrer's lead on not enforcing the rules. Obama can't come on too aggressively because Uppity Black Dude, but he underplayed that hand in #1 and got it about right in #2. Romney doesn't have a lot of other cards to play, and Obama clearly rattled him in #2. #2 format favored Obama more, but the topic favors Obama here. Hey, I think the popcorn is about ready.
posted by localroger at 5:26 PM on October 22, 2012


Hippie Assholes is my new band name.
posted by telstar at 5:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Public Favors Less U.S. Involvement in The Middle East (Pew Research)

A national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Oct. 4-7, 2012 among 1,511 adults, including 1,201 registered voters.
posted by cashman at 5:27 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm going to score the entire debate with 60s girl group songs
posted by The Whelk at 5:28 PM on October 22, 2012


Is there anyone in particular that I should be following on twitter during the debate¿

There's an open AskMe on the funny accounts for debate watching goodness.
posted by limeonaire at 5:29 PM on October 22, 2012


i think maybe you need to draw Debate Critic Snake
posted by elizardbits at 5:29 PM on October 22, 2012


There's too many tabs open, what thread am I in?!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Will this debate reveal the location of the supposedly great American Peephole?
posted by srboisvert at 5:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


i think maybe you need to draw Debate Critic Snake

We both know the debate critic is an adorable fox.
posted by The Whelk at 5:31 PM on October 22, 2012


Try doing that and watching a ballgame.
posted by limeonaire at 5:32 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm going to score the entire debate with 60s girl group songs

That is obvious. I mean the last one was the Motown Hall debate, no?
posted by ersatz at 5:32 PM on October 22, 2012


Sir, I demand to know where do you stand on the Middle Earth Peace Process!?
posted by infinite intimation at 5:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


There's too many tabs open, what thread am I in?!

Thread is here, Mr. Burton. The Republicans, the Democrats... they've been fighting for centuries.
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 5:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


OTHER THAN THE WHOLE KILLING HIM THING YEAH?

Beating a dead horse, eh?
posted by Challahtronix at 5:33 PM on October 22, 2012


HE INTERRUPTED ME, AND IT FELT LIKE A KISS
posted by The Whelk at 5:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


where do you stand on the Middle Earth Peace Process!?

THERE ARE TOO GODDAMN MANY TROLLS.
posted by localroger at 5:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


I have the baseball game on the TeeVee and will have the debate on my Apple laptop device. All I can say is, as much stupid shit as we're bound to hear during the debate, at least Joe Buck isn't involved in any way.
posted by mudpuppie at 5:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


Hippie Assholes is my new band name.
For the love of God! No scratch 'n sniff merchandise.
I hate the smell of patchouli
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:35 PM on October 22, 2012


"Romney has said, Anybody could have decided to finish bin Laden. Even [Jimmy] Carter. This again was a mistaken concept. President Obama didn’t just decide [one day to kill bin Laden]. The operation to end the life of bin Laden necessitated multiple points of decision by him. I know from operations I have been involved with on a smaller scale.

They are very intricate. You don’t just give the order and wait in your office for commanders to come three months later and say it’s done. No. This kind of operation, which is accident prone, hands on operation, one has to make one decision after the other […] It took courage and cool headedness and leadership. Anyone who says it was an easy thing to decide, doesn’t understand what he’s talking about. [Such comments] show a total lack of understanding of what this kind of operation means."

— Efraim Halevy, former chief of Mossad, Israeli’s intelligence service. [via]
posted by cashman at 5:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [16 favorites]


Has it started? This is so much better.
posted by sammyo at 5:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The talking heads are predicting tonight's debate won't be as contentious as last week's, especially on Romney's part, as he needs to come across calm and sober and presidential.

Except if he goes that route, isn't Romney stuck saying "Me too, me too!" or "I have a cunning new foreign policy plan that I will announce after I am president."?

The Right Wingers on my facebook feed are all over 27 flavors of loudly armchair generalling the Libya affair, planning the invasion of Iraq and humping Israels leg like an overly friendly dog. If Romney is calm and sober during this debate, it's going to be like thelling them there's not Santa Claus.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 5:36 PM on October 22, 2012


How will the candidates handle the potentially dangerous civil war among our friends and trading partners in Skyrim?
posted by The Whelk at 5:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I WIL BE SAD TMRW BECUZ NO MORE DBATE POST

(it's still CAPSLOXK day)
posted by ninjew at 5:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'll be watching the debate while keeping one eye on live blogging from Andrew Sullivan and The Economist. Well, and here, of course.
posted by Short Attention Sp at 5:38 PM on October 22, 2012


Sir, I demand to know where do you stand on the Middle Earth Peace Process!?

Romney would be complaining about highwaymen in the aftermath of the War of the Ring.
posted by ersatz at 5:38 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'm sure the hostage Romney clip will get removed from context, but in terms of the whole question his response doesn't seem that bad.

I think it sounds pretty bad in context. If a Democratic candidate was caught saying that, the Republicans would crucify them. It's actually kind of odd how little attention that comment received compared to the rest of the video, or compared to Obama's "you didn't build that" comment which really was taken out of context.
posted by homunculus at 5:38 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I would like to see Romney get heated and his voice get really high and squeaky and his eyes all beady with that fake-ass smile.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 5:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh? And when did you stop outsourcing your pillaging to the Trolls of Eastwick??

You'ld be th' last one to deal with the crisis of rampant Troald Dahls!!
posted by infinite intimation at 5:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


i'm watching the al jazeera feed on you tube and it's great cause the on the floor reporter has what i think is a scottish accent? maybe welsh? (it makes me think of ianto so maybe it's welsh. ianto being the reporter would be awesome. mmm 3pc suit...)
posted by sio42 at 5:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I would like to see Romney get heated and his voice get really high and squeaky and his eyes all beady with that fake-ass smile.


WHEN I TALKED!

JUST!

LIKE!

THIIIIIIIIIS!
posted by The Whelk at 5:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [21 favorites]


and his voice get really high and squeaky and his eyes all beady with that fake-ass smile.

That's right before the face pops off and you see the circuitry like in Westworld ... oh crap, was that this thread or the other one?
posted by localroger at 5:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I had to hide a dear friend on Facebook on the weekend. She posted a photo of the assembling crowd waiting to hear Ann "Cruella DeVil" Romney speak in Boca Raton, saying what a great first lady she'd make. I'm not unsympathetic. I, too, once had to eat my caviar off the ironing board in between mansion moves.
posted by Short Attention Sp at 5:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


The Right Wingers on my facebook feed are all over 27 flavors of loudly armchair generalling the Libya affair, planning the invasion of Iraq and humping Israels leg like an overly friendly dog. If Romney is calm and sober during this debate, it's going to be like thelling them there's not Santa Claus.

If Mitt doesn't say "strength" 10 times tonight, I'll be shocked. That's his shitty little mantra, that he's going to treat foreign policy in such a way that America is showing its strength, operating in strength, bathing in strength and eating spaghetti with strength sauce with a little parmestrength cheese heaped on top.
posted by cashman at 5:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I would like to see Romney get heated and his voice get really high and squeaky and his eyes all beady with that fake-ass smile.

"When I outsourced your jobs, I talked JUST! LIKE! THIIIIS!"
posted by jason_steakums at 5:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


I am hoping that mitt's anger comes shining through with a desperate intensity tonight
posted by angrycat at 5:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh dangit too late :)
posted by jason_steakums at 5:42 PM on October 22, 2012


I kinda wish we could have this thread keep going and no one actually turns on the debate.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 5:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


We could just talk about fan fiction or something.
posted by The Whelk at 5:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Things I'm waiting for:
The election to be over and the usual embargoed in depth story of how the campaigns were run to be revealed.

Also, more analysis to see if that first debate really Romney a huge rise or he already trending upwards. And of course, what the Presidential meeting that occurred after that first debate.

I still calling the election for Obama, to be decided by 11pm EST on Election Night.

I am hoping that mitt's anger comes shining through with a desperate intensity tonight

I doubt that'll happen, unless Obama really prods him, which I dearly hope happens.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:44 PM on October 22, 2012


We'll make up our own debate, with blackjack and hookers!
posted by jason_steakums at 5:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Ann is wearing a deep green dress, Michelle has on a lovely gray dress with a black lace overlay.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 5:45 PM on October 22, 2012


Fuck! BLOOD! KILL!! KILL!! DEATH! DEATH!! BLACK METAL!! GRRRRRGRGRGRGRGRG!!!!!!



I need to channel this blood thirst to Obama. Please stand by.
posted by Skygazer at 5:45 PM on October 22, 2012


I am hoping that mitt's anger comes shining through with a desperate intensity tonight

I saw this documentary movie called 2012 about something like that.
posted by localroger at 5:45 PM on October 22, 2012


Brandon, every time you post that prediction, I breathe a little easier (for an hour or two anyway).
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 5:45 PM on October 22, 2012


If Romney wins we'll have to suffer through a president shoving the faces of world leaders into plates of butter...... ''hey hey Putin, smell this, does it smell bad to you?''
posted by edgeways at 5:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


We could just talk about fan fiction or something.

I already floated Clinton=Kirk and Obama=Spock but to no avail.
posted by fleacircus at 5:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


When people in the other thread were talking about the debate thread possibly being some other thread, did they mean this thread? Not this thread?
posted by Anything at 5:47 PM on October 22, 2012


Which makes Romney the crystalline entity?

Maybe a Horta.
posted by The Whelk at 5:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ann and Michelle both look nervier than I've seen either of them before. Michelle is having a better hair day though.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 5:47 PM on October 22, 2012


We could just talk about fan fiction or something

Tonight's B-meme: Big Busty Broads from Baghdad.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I already floated Clinton=Kirk and Obama=Spock but to no avail.

Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a moderator.
posted by ceribus peribus at 5:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


I am hoping that mitt's anger comes shining through with a desperate intensity tonight

I doubt that'll happen, unless Obama really prods him, which I dearly hope happens.


I disagree! I think it is very, very hard for Romney to keep his cool. He desperately wants to tell you exactly what he thinks. He's the fucking Nathan Jessup of politics.
posted by triggerfinger at 5:48 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney would be a maitre 'd president. "A table overlooking our bombing of Iran, Mr. Adelson? Certainly. Give me just a moment."
posted by Short Attention Sp at 5:48 PM on October 22, 2012


Michelle is having a better hair day though.

Which reminds me that there are still some hair-switch permutations yet to be witnessed..
posted by Anything at 5:49 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney in his Big Bird of Prey.
posted by fleacircus at 5:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Brandon, every time you post that prediction, I breathe a little easier (for an hour or two anyway).

Every time I feel a little scared, I just remind myself of Brandon's prediction and tell myself there is nothing to be scared of if Brandon isn't scared.
posted by triggerfinger at 5:49 PM on October 22, 2012


Guys did you know you can get wine in boxes and just like stick a straw in there
posted by The Whelk at 5:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [18 favorites]


I'm just gonna throw this out there: George W = Harcourt Fenton Mudd
posted by jason_steakums at 5:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney in his Big Bird of Prey.
posted by fleacircus at 8:49 PM


oh fleacircus you almost made me pee my pants!
posted by sio42 at 5:51 PM on October 22, 2012


I have no alcohol. How much yogurt needs one drink to get a buzz?
posted by Anything at 5:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Well soon I will fall off the thread as I actually watch the debate -- the TV is not in the same room as the computer, for good reasons. See y'all in an hour and a half.

On review: Big Bird of Prey FTW.
posted by localroger at 5:52 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Depends on how old it is, Anything.
posted by curious nu at 5:52 PM on October 22, 2012


Ann Romney is one scary lady.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 5:52 PM on October 22, 2012


That's one ugly necklace.
posted by HuronBob at 5:52 PM on October 22, 2012


No! Not another beady-eyed little gnome white guy moderator! We're DOOMED!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 5:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


If Romney wins we'll have to suffer through a president shoving the faces of world leaders into plates of butter...... ''hey hey Putin, smell this, does it smell bad to you?''

Make that: Big Busty Broads from Baghdad with Buttery Breath
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:53 PM on October 22, 2012


Bob Scheiffer has a purple binder (full of women?)
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 5:53 PM on October 22, 2012


the TV is not in the same room as the computer

I solve this problem by having more than one computer and VNC.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 5:53 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh man I need to remember to eat things before debates.
posted by The Whelk at 5:53 PM on October 22, 2012


Quiet as mice? You look LIKE STUART LITTLE IN A SUIT, PAL!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 5:54 PM on October 22, 2012


I didn't expect the first "America #1!!" to come from the moderator.
posted by Lemurrhea at 5:54 PM on October 22, 2012


Keep me informed metafilter. Have fun!
posted by knapah at 5:54 PM on October 22, 2012


Damn Antiques Road Show is over, must be time to throw down.
posted by edgeways at 5:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I've got CBS on so all I see is Kat Dennings so all is right with the world.
posted by The Whelk at 5:54 PM on October 22, 2012


Wow, Bob Schieffer and Al Neuharth look a lot alike these days.
posted by jason_steakums at 5:55 PM on October 22, 2012


Man, how I despise the smug organizers of these debates.
posted by odinsdream at 5:55 PM on October 22, 2012


Ann Romney looks like a Tina Fey/Amy Poehler mashup.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 5:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I notice that it is a desk again so we can't be having with handkerchiefs.

We will never see podiums in debates again.
posted by winna at 5:56 PM on October 22, 2012


Hugh Jackman as Wolverine is rated#2 on the TV Guide channel's "Sexy Beasts" countdown.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:56 PM on October 22, 2012


localroger: "Well soon I will fall off the thread as I actually watch the debate -- the TV is not in the same room as the computer, for good reasons."

Say hello to my little HDHomerun. ;)
posted by wierdo at 5:56 PM on October 22, 2012


Gotta love that crest. An eagle treading on the shield-flag of the US. Why not?
posted by Lemurrhea at 5:56 PM on October 22, 2012


Which makes Romney the crystalline entity?

Maybe a Horta.


Romney's one of those haughty commodores who always think they know better than Kirk and end bringing the Enterprise to the brink of destruction.
posted by audi alteram partem at 5:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Bob doesn't give a rat's ass. I don't know, I just get that feeling.
posted by cashman at 5:57 PM on October 22, 2012


So Bob spends the entire time with his back to the audience? Was it like that in the first debate? Man, his hair person really had to make an effort.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:57 PM on October 22, 2012


Eagles in this past decade have gotten more bellicose.
posted by lineofsight at 5:57 PM on October 22, 2012


Eric Northam from True Blood is number #1, in case you were wondering.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:58 PM on October 22, 2012


Hello. I've got butterflies in my stomach.

Fremdshamen is that cool German word for when Romney goes into a David Brentian moment and your jaw hits the floor...

I'm also trying to get the hashtag #RomneyFatigue going on the Twitter. Also the hashtag #RomneyhasCoffeePoopbreath.

K, let's RUMBLE BITCHES!!
posted by Skygazer at 5:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm honestly wondering if I can stand an hour and a half of looking at and listening to Romney...
posted by HuronBob at 5:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney has already shown he can reverse campaign positions for the night of the debate and then backpedal for his base the following day; I'm hoping he calls out Obama on drone strikes tonight.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 5:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mit Romney? NEIN! OHNE Romney!!!
posted by Pallas Athena at 5:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [17 favorites]


Please don't do the song-and-pony dance of "The audience has agreed to remain quiet....exxxxcept for right now! When we welcome the President and Romney!" I wish Bob would just open the debate like "Alright, everybody get the fuck up!"
posted by cashman at 6:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


It's bugging me that I'll be reminded of Cat-Bounce.com through this whole thing...
posted by wallabear at 6:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm envisioning Peter Skarsgard - Hugh Jackman slash being written already Brandon.
posted by vuron at 6:00 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney is Cyrano Jones; amoralistic capitalist who doesn't care what he leaves in his wake.
posted by Flunkie at 6:00 PM on October 22, 2012


CNN has the best coverage. Much more inside baseball.
posted by odinsdream at 6:00 PM on October 22, 2012


Rom-nay so to say.
posted by ersatz at 6:00 PM on October 22, 2012


HERE WE GO!!

*rubs hands together*
posted by triggerfinger at 6:00 PM on October 22, 2012


CBS's opening reel makes it look like a star studded extravaganza is starting
posted by The Whelk at 6:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Damn it, not CNN, CSPAN.
posted by odinsdream at 6:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Heh, watching CSPAN which is sitting in silence panned out; can hear all of the broadcasters making their "welcome viewers" at once. Awesome.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh man, they just showed clips from the Romnesia video on Al Jazeera.
posted by Kattullus at 6:00 PM on October 22, 2012


Time to get my sketchbook and beer which cost more than my meal tonight
posted by hellojed at 6:01 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama should just have the SEAL team strike force that got Bin Laden stand behind him for the entire debate. In Hawaiian shirts.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Go go go!
posted by ersatz at 6:01 PM on October 22, 2012


I just can't get over the sight of the giant blue and red set with Bob's little white head floating above it all.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:01 PM on October 22, 2012


Fuckin' Bob Scheiffer better not pull a Jim Lehrer Old-man routine tonight. I want him to get up and deck Romney if ROmney doesn't shut his pie hole...
posted by Skygazer at 6:01 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh this guy I like this guy.
posted by bq at 6:01 PM on October 22, 2012


I refuse to belive a place is called Boca Raton.
posted by The Whelk at 6:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Wouldn't Wolverine been Eric's ideal mate, as the former can regenerate blood? It would be like a fresh candy, EVERYDAY.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The audience has also taken a vow of chasity and poverty,
posted by The Whelk at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Boca Ratohhhhhn, sez the Bob.

Never in my life have I heard it said like that.
posted by winna at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012


Damnit.
posted by cashman at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


OK, rye whiskey ready, let's do this thang
posted by King Bee at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I need to learn to lip read.
posted by bq at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012


They're definitely within choking distance of each other.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012


Really Mitt and Obama should be debating slash fic.
posted by The Whelk at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012


VOW OF SILENCE
posted by ninjew at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012


Don't fail me now, body-language experts!
posted by Room 641-A at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012


Bob, don't pull a Lehrer.
posted by zardoz at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012


Notice Bob left out the CPD as reviewers of his questions.
posted by odinsdream at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012


No hanky from the cow. Or is it premature to call him cow tonight?
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:02 PM on October 22, 2012


Wait, why are they in the ancient homeland of the east coast jews.
posted by elizardbits at 6:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Oh God, Bob has a denture whistle.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


#bainport
posted by cashman at 6:03 PM on October 22, 2012


Clapping clapping...

Sitting tonight!! Good, Romney's shit will be that much more intrusive and stupid.
posted by Skygazer at 6:03 PM on October 22, 2012


God he could fit something big and witty und those eyes.
posted by bq at 6:03 PM on October 22, 2012


Or is it premature to call him cow tonight?

Betcha 10 grand it's appropriate.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama's ON. You can see it on his face.
posted by gentian at 6:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


yes show 'em all how "nuclear" is pronounced
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:03 PM on October 22, 2012


Broad question on what happened in Libya...
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012


Good, let's get Libya out of the way.
posted by zardoz at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012


I keep getting distracted by Bob's giant gold watch...
posted by Diagonalize at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh Libya is like a free square
posted by bq at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


THAT'S NOT A JOKE MITT
posted by The Whelk at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh puke...on ROmney.
posted by Skygazer at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012


Don't try to joke, Mitt. Please.
posted by cashman at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


METAFILTER: IT'S NICE TO BE FUNNY NOT ON PURPOSE THIS TIME.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


There's a modesty panel to stop the candidates from kicking each other under the table.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


...a humerous event...?
posted by odinsdream at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012


All mr. niceguy.... not buying it.
posted by HuronBob at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Good that Romney goes first on this question because he'll have to lay out his theory and then Obama can refute it.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:04 PM on October 22, 2012


Sounds like an essay so far.
posted by ersatz at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama looks ready to pounce. It's like how my cat looks when she sees a particular smarmy and conservative moth.
posted by barnacles at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [31 favorites]


"hope that there would be a change"

you did that on purpose
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Be funny not on purpose? WTF is he talking about?
posted by waitingtoderail at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh, god. "Be funny, not on purpose"?? He's started already...
posted by blurker at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney's trying to seem human with that opener
posted by gaspode at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney's blinking quite more than his usual.
posted by lineofsight at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Fellas, enough of the thank yous. Answer the damn questions.
posted by zardoz at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Terrorists....of some kind
posted by The Whelk at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney enumerates things that have been happening and then says they aren't.
posted by wierdo at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


i don't really want to watch this though

i wanna look at butts on tumblr

democracy is hard
posted by elizardbits at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [20 favorites]


Terrorists of some kind.
posted by obscurator at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


OH WE'RE LAUGHING AT YOU, NOT WITH YOU PAL
posted by ninjew at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


DON'T FORGET MALI
posted by odinsdream at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh god I've already got bingo, I'm not going to make it.
posted by The Whelk at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


"our hearts and minds go to them" uhhh, mixed metaphors there
posted by hellojed at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh those darned Al-Qaeda-type Individuals
posted by jason_steakums at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Hey Romney - no mention of Tunisia, which is doing reasonably well?
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm seeing a disturbing event right here. It's called Mitt Romney.

Ha!
posted by item at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Shh..Romney rambling...rambling...err....zzzzz....
posted by Skygazer at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


oh for heaven's sake, yes, the people who killed the four Americans in Benghazi were terrorists, no one is questioning this, ever
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama has that intense labrador-retriever-waiting-for-the-stick-to-be-thrown look.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


And apparently dictators are better than freely elected leaders.
posted by wierdo at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Why do the Republicans hate democracy in the Middle East?
posted by sfts2 at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt: LET ME LIST ALL THE THINGS I KNOW ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES
posted by triggerfinger at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [15 favorites]


Obama stare
posted by hal9k at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The nice kind, probably.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:05 PM on October 22, 2012


we can't kill our way out of this mess

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
posted by elizardbits at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [21 favorites]


I think this is literally the first time ever that a person in the GOP refuted violence as the solution to a problem.
posted by barnacles at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


Can't kill our way out? Really? HIPPIE@!
posted by Mister_A at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012


Republican says: We can't kill our way out of this mess. NEVER FORGET
posted by ersatz at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney trying to get "yes he killed Bin Laden" out of the way.
posted by shortfuse at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012


It's finally hit me--Mitt Romney looks like Matthew Fox's older brother: Mitt Fox.
posted by zardoz at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


WHAT IS THIS PLACE MOLLY AND ITS AL QAEDA TYPE INDIVIDUALS.
posted by winna at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The World of Islam.
posted by ericb at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney's answer was literally incoherent.
posted by odinsdream at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I'M THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF BIIIIIIIOTCH
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


EW I JUST HEARD ROMNEY'S TOUNGE
posted by The Whelk at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012


i wanna look at butts on tumblr

democracy is hard


Can't talk, debaitin'
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


We can't kill our way out, because Romney can't kill his way out of a wet paper bag.
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama started off not really answering the question, but now he's starting to hit it.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:07 PM on October 22, 2012


WHAT IS THIS PLACE MOLLY AND ITS AL QAEDA TYPE INDIVIDUALS.

I actually heard this as Molly, as in the American Girl Doll, and I thought, wow, that's really a new battleground for terrorism, it's true
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


The guy on SNL who plays Mitt is getting worse with every one of these parody debates.
posted by item at 6:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


highly relevant
posted by elizardbits at 6:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Why hello there clear, fact-supported, specific example Obama speech.
posted by The Whelk at 6:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


.... unless they're finally living up to all that "pro-life" bullshit they usually spout?!

OH SHIT IT MUST BE THE END TIMES
posted by barnacles at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2012


Thank you for bringing up the counter-protests in Libya, Obama! Actual substance!
posted by wierdo at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2012


First question is Libya and Romney just shit the bed. Obama looks stunned Mitt borked it so much.
posted by fullerine at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2012


OH, go after the BAD guys.
posted by maryr at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


TO INTERRUPT THEM

YES YOU KNOW YOUR SKILLS WELL
posted by elizardbits at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Bad guys are bad.
posted by homunculus at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2012


KILL THE BAD GUYS!!!
posted by Diagonalize at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"go after the bad guys"..

allright then...

sheesh...
posted by HuronBob at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2012


i know have attention issues, but i find it soooooo hard to pay attention to Romney. it makes me tired as i try really hard to just listen to more than three words in a row he says.
posted by sio42 at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama's on the attack, surprise surprise!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh no he said it
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:08 PM on October 22, 2012


We can't just kill peopl HEY LET'S JUST GO KILL THEM
posted by mudpuppie at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


STRAIGHTFOWARD

GO AFTER BAD GUYS
posted by The Whelk at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


ALL OVER THE MAP. Flip-flopper, asshole!
posted by ericb at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt will interrupt the enemies on the land, he will interrupt them on the sea. He will interrupt them in the fields and in the vales. He will interrupt them in the air and in space.
posted by barnacles at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [20 favorites]


Is this where I make my Chamillionaire joke? DAMN.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney says his strategy is to do what the administration is already doing.
posted by wierdo at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


WAIT

We can't kill our way out of things BUT we need to go after the bad guys? Are we hitting them with silly string? Are we sozzling them with limpid rhetoric? Bad metaphors?!
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


My policy is to go after the bad guys. (All righty then)
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Way to take it right to Romney's face. Did Romney just repudiate both wars?!
posted by odinsdream at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt: "Go after the bad guys"

Irrefutable.
posted by goHermGO at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


He wants to interrupt the bad guys? Well, if there ever was someone who was overly qualified to do that...
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


By which I mean "the Muslim world," sorry.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


I deeply loathe the phrase 'bad guys'.
posted by winna at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


This is going to be a very rough, long night for Mitt. He isn't making any kind of sense in these answers.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt: my strategy is to interrupt bad guys. Yeah Mitt, you're pretty good at interrupting
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


I've read better speeches in comic books Mitt.
posted by The Whelk at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt has a binder full of arab scholars.
posted by shortfuse at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


"key our foreign aid"? I thought Romney was going to zero out foreign aid.
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney: "Kill the Bastards"
posted by Rhaomi at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Binders for EVERY Arab country!
posted by mudpuppie at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney is talking about nation-building and islamic scholars/the UN. My head is exploding.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Terrorists just need economic development y'all. And more Chamillionaire.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh, please. Before Obama got Bin Laden, Romney was saying it wasn't worth it to try.
posted by Flunkie at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012


How about some damn gender equality at home, Mitt?
posted by goHermGO at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


"Gender equality." - Mitt Romney.

My ironymeter just broke.
posted by Kattullus at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [16 favorites]


Mitt Romney proclaims the need for gender equality....in other countries.
posted by obscurator at 6:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


"Gender equality"? Really I don't see you as a beacon for that one.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama is fucking this up. Romney is looking legitimate. He should be discrediting his character better.
posted by amuseDetachment at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Huh get them to reject extremism on their own! But also kill and interrupt them! MAybe banishment too! Mormonic power go!
posted by Mister_A at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Help the MUSLIM WORLD! WTF Romney?
posted by ericb at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


oh this whole "how we can help the world" schtick is so tiresome and presumptuous. As if every country wants us to tell the how to live.
posted by lampshade at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


I see that Romney wants to promote economic development in the Middle East. How about in America?
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Whoa Moderate Mitt comes out with a vengeance for gender equality in the Middle East. Of course, we can't have gender equality here, that's just silly.
posted by winna at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama suppressing a huge smile right here as Mitt babbles.
posted by The Whelk at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


I've read better speeches in comic books Mitt.

oh god now he is starting to remind me of namor
posted by elizardbits at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


I'm not opposed to the idea, but it is downright weird to see a Republican promote giving foreign aid to Islamic countries.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


"Another Iraq. Another Afghanistan"

Mitt talks like these are things, not places with people living in them.
posted by carsonb at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


"To kill them" - why does it have to be about killing? Couldn't a goal be less killing?
posted by limeonaire at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


His strategy is straightforward. Kill the bad guys. But not kill our way out of this. Got it.
posted by iamkimiam at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oooh population statistics! Very Presidential, Casper.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


DAMN YOU ELIZARDBITS
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


If Mitt keeps adopting new positions like this there will be no more orphans in a month or so.
posted by ersatz at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


Romney likes to number things alot. "Number One..., Number Two...". Anyone else notice that? Maybe I'm just picking up on it more often but I swear I noticed it in the last debate(s) as well.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


They're both pretty low-key. This is a good format.
posted by zardoz at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


oooh - now's Romney's using numbers like Obama. but he still makes no sense and i can't follow.
posted by sio42 at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Something about the smarm in political speech is too hard to take so I've got you guys and the TV on closed caption. And beer. Obama has a hell of a death stare.
posted by emjaybee at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


oh my god, Romney is... What the fucking hell
posted by odinsdream at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Oooooo Mitt has memorized population numbers!
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


All over the map, sir.
posted by blurker at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


BOOM RUSSIA BOOM
posted by The Whelk at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


OH SNAP HE BROUGHT UP RUSSIA.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


SNAP
posted by zennie at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


THE 1980s CALLED
posted by jason_steakums at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


Why am I even watching. Not like Romney is going to convince me. If Obama cooked and ate a kitten I would vote for Jill Stein.
posted by Ad hominem at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Jingoism FTW!
posted by headnsouth at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh snap
posted by bq at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Russia-slam!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Real question: Isn't northern Mali pretty much desert?
posted by maryr at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


IRAN IN THE FACE!!!

IN THE FACE!!!
posted by Aizkolari at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Good interruption by Schieffer!
And then Obama hits him on RUSSIA!
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


The 90s are calling to ask for their foreign policy back buuurn
posted by ersatz at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney: We don't want another Iraq. We don't another Afghanistan.

Which is why I'm more for the guy who's ending those wars, and not the guy rattling his saber at Iran.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


please please call them "The Arabs" again thx
posted by ninjew at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


1980s are calling and asking for their foreign policy back

SNAP
posted by King Bee at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Cold war is over! Nixon dead!
posted by Mister_A at 6:10 PM on October 22, 2012


I see the corners of Obama's mouth turning up every time Mitt quotes wikipedia.
posted by droomoord at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


Mali?
posted by zardoz at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


1. Get rid of the bad guys
2. interrupt them
3. Make Muslims "Just say No" to terrorism

Simple!
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


RUSSIA MOTHERFUCKER,
.
posted by emjaybee at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


oooopsss there is that sick romney smile
posted by lampshade at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


The 1980's called, they want their foreign policy back. OHH!
posted by cashman at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


1980 - 30 = 1950 - 30 = 1920

I APPROVE OF THIS SORT OF PARALLELISM, OBAMA

*rhetoric + math = luv*
posted by barnacles at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


"The 1980s have called, they want their foreign policy back!"

Ms.Eld "OH SNAP!!!! AHHAHAHA."
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Aww, Obama made a foreign policy funny


(my boyfriend is looking at me and just kind of shaking his head sadly, whispering something about "you can't take the DC out of the girl..."
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The 1980's called; they said they want their foreign policy back.
posted by The Great Big Mulp at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


FUCKING SMIRKOFF
posted by Mister_A at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


zing!
posted by zardoz at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


the 1980s called and want their foreign policies back? SNAP.
posted by sio42 at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


Guys is it wrong to like your president so much?
posted by The Whelk at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


YES! "the 80's called!" joke. Ooh, with another slam about "not being in the position to actually form foreign policy."
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


Wow, Obama is going all out.
posted by ersatz at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama might as well just start throwing flip flops into his face... oh, wait, he is...
posted by HuronBob at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


BAM! Tell it, my prez!!
posted by blurker at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Oh, sorry, you don't actually have any real power, do you?"
posted by Diagonalize at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama is schooling him now.
posted by Rumple at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


"You said 'Russia'"

BOO-YA!
posted by Room 641-A at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


"Every time you've offered an opinion, you've been wrong."
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


Stuck in class again for a debate... and this time, honestly, I'm just watching you guys instead.
posted by gracedissolved at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


this time mitt is looking down
posted by lampshade at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


Yes - he brought back the "You Were Wrong!" that he used against McCain.
posted by cashman at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


Also I got "Mali" in our debate drinking game; am drunk.
posted by Mister_A at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


"I know you haven't been in a position to execute foreign policy." DOUBLE OHSNAP.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


REMINDER FROM THE OTHER THREAD: IT IS STILL INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY.
posted by Aizkolari at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


omg Obama wants to execute Mitt!!!

Sorry, I'm only half paying attention.
posted by item at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


Metafilter: your opinions are wrong.
posted by insectosaurus at 6:11 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama on the defense coming on hard tonight.
posted by windbox at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt looks like someone just told him he has cancer of the puppy.
posted by The Whelk at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [16 favorites]


Romney likes to number things alot. "Number One..., Number Two...". Anyone else notice that? Maybe I'm just picking up on it more often but I swear I noticed it in the last debate(s) as well.
posted by RolandOfEld at 9:10 PM on October 22 [+] [!]

Oh he would be using power point if they let him.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Holy damn, Mr. President, that was awesome.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Wow Obama is on the ATTACK!
posted by Dr. Send at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


lampshade: "oooopsss there is that sick romney smile"

God that's annoying.
posted by octothorpe at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


damn you guys this thread is faster than a drunk cheerleader OF ANY GENDER at homecoming
posted by elizardbits at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama is rippin'
posted by lampshade at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


"Every time you've offered an opinion, you've been wrong," is a good line.
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney is so inept Obama attacking him makes it look like he's kicking a puppy.
posted by fullerine at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney is now smirking like Joe Biden.
posted by wierdo at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Calling him wrong, confused and being all "let me tell you how it's done" while calling him out on etch a sketch
posted by ersatz at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Oooooo Mitt has memorized population numbers!

He'll only impress me if he knows their Per Capita and how much Mining they produce.
posted by zennie at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


Wow, Mitt's smirking is going to get him into trouble here.
posted by blurker at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Stuck in class again for a debate...

That's okay, Mitt is too.
posted by cashman at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


I thought that was a kind of ham-handed way to bring up the Russia thing. Apparently I'm the only one.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Admittedly, Obama sounds a little rehearsed on this, but I'll be impressed if anyone, including Mitt Romney, can actually remember his own record.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


And Romney lies about the things he's said in the past.
posted by wierdo at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Why is Bob bending the rules to let Mitt babble.
posted by winna at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


IGNORE EVERYTHING THE MAN SAID STAY ON TALKING POINTS MITT
posted by The Whelk at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt got his feelings hurt. :(
posted by mudpuppie at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


But I can say this: We are talking about the Middle East. Good you're with us, Nitwittens.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"I don't agree with what the president said about my record, it's not accurate."

I can't believe this motherfucker can get away with straight-up lying. Where's Candy Crowley when you need her?
posted by barnacles at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Moderator: I'm going to give you a few minutes to pick yourself up off the floor.
posted by ish__ at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"GOD, STOP PICKING ON ME ALREADY!"
posted by Diagonalize at 6:12 PM on October 22, 2012


"They don't happen to be accurate," but Romney wouldn't explain why or how Obama's wrong.
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


oh here comes the boo-hoo poor me mitt talk.
posted by lampshade at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012


To sea, maties! It's the rising tide of tumult and confusion!
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012


What the F is a "geopolitical foe" exactly?
posted by King Bee at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Of course I don't concur...what what
posted by zardoz at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012


Doubling down on Russia? That's bold.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012


This is more debate #1 Obama :-(
posted by amuseDetachment at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012


Russia is ...

I didn't read that, just citing on the fly.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


That's not true.
posted by The Whelk at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012


ohmygod answer an actual question
posted by ninjew at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


stop co-opting Friday Night Lights
posted by likeatoaster at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Obama is rippin

Too much arugula.

posted by emjaybee at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney is getting argumentative.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012


Not that I should need to defend myself in a debate, but here's my defense Mr. President sir. Look how calm I am! I am the calmingest calmer who ever calmed!
posted by zennie at 6:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


There is no such thing as too much arugula.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012


mittens is threatened by putin's sassiness
posted by elizardbits at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012


Has Bob slipped into a nap.
posted by winna at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Mitt Romney: The right course for us is Augusta National
posted by triggerfinger at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


The first playground debate.
posted by ersatz at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012


Damn, he's a rude fucker...
posted by HuronBob at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh no...he will no shut up..
posted by Skygazer at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012


The look on Obama's face "Jesus, man, I can't believe you want to lie to me like that. Assssssssssssshoooooooooooooole."
posted by barnacles at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


smirky smirk
posted by bq at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012


They're both looking to their left, who are they looking at
posted by jinjo at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012


YOU MUST BE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU STAND AND WHAT YOU MEAN

Preach it, Obama.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Tumult! Romney learned the word TUMULT for the debate.
posted by quietalittlewild at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


Moderator, we need a fact check here!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012


uh oh.....we are getting into nanner nanner land. c'mon boys....get back on track.
posted by lampshade at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012


> They're both looking to their left, who are they looking at

Youuuuu
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


*throws bucket of water over candidates*
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012


Mittens, do you want some milk chocolate or a blanket or something?
posted by The Whelk at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012


I think Putin would kill and eat Romney given the chance.
posted by Mister_A at 6:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [17 favorites]


winna: Why is Bob bending the rules to let Mitt babble.

Old white guys got a club and when you're in the club you gotta follow the rule, which is if you're an old white guy you get to break all the rules everyone else has to follow.
posted by Kattullus at 6:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


You have to be clear and know what you've said to whom, or the house of cards comes tumbling down.
posted by blurker at 6:15 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney has the "you prick" smile-and-squint!
posted by not_on_display at 6:15 PM on October 22, 2012


Governor, here's what I've learned since being Commander-in-Chief: You Have To Be Clear.

FUCK YEAH MR. PRESIDENT! That's it - I'm having the first man-baby. Man-baby Obama II.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


I'm only hanging in until they both answer the cilantro question, then I'm going to bed.
posted by HuronBob at 6:15 PM on October 22, 2012


Burn. Talking down to Mitt like he's a five year old...nice.
posted by zardoz at 6:15 PM on October 22, 2012


My debate drinking game involves sitting in a bar with no tvs and watching y'all react to the debates. And drinking. I am clearly winning.
posted by restless_nomad at 6:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [14 favorites]


and number 6: I look AWESOME in rose colored glasses!!!
posted by item at 6:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


JIM LEHRER II: BOB
posted by ninjew at 6:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Someone mentioned this upthread, but by Golob that tongue noise is disgusting.
posted by obscurator at 6:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


tumult more like tUmUt amirite
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:15 PM on October 22, 2012


I guess Obama is just going to needle him until he starts sputtering like last time?
posted by Ad hominem at 6:16 PM on October 22, 2012


Katullus, that's literally the reasoning I came up with for explaining why the women moderators have been so much better this year. They know that the old media types and the old boys politicians' club won't let them in, really, so they're all "Fuck it; let's moderate."
posted by barnacles at 6:16 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


I would be comparing Romney's foreign policy to Bush every sentence. He NEVER mentions Bush, if the Democrats had a president like Bush the Republicans would be comparing the candidate to him every minute of every day.
posted by any major dude at 6:16 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Darn banner ad, can't see how many fingers Obama is holding up while numbering his points.
posted by jermspeaks at 6:16 PM on October 22, 2012


I think Putin would kill and eat Romney given the chance.

..while riding a unicorn shirtless eating a bacon sandwich.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:16 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I like Obama's non stripped tie.
posted by The Whelk at 6:16 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Kattullus: Old white guys got a club and when you're in the club you gotta follow the rule, which is if you're an old white guy you get to break all the rules everyone else has to follow.

Not fair. He stopped Romney so Obama could speak, he stopped Obama so Romney could speak.
posted by maryr at 6:16 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Two-mutt
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Glad someone at that table finally pointed out Syria isn't just a pawn for the US and the defense budget.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:17 PM on October 22, 2012


Me, I prefer my ties to be strippers.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:17 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm hearing a lot of boilerplate. Bob is gonna just sit back and let them talk. Hopefully they'll ignore Bob and talk to each other.
posted by zardoz at 6:17 PM on October 22, 2012


5-0, Giants, btw.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


I am hungry.
posted by bq at 6:17 PM on October 22, 2012


Even Romney is looking kind of impressed at Obama's talk right here
posted by triggerfinger at 6:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I like Obama's non stripped tie.

His tie has stripes. They're vertical, but there's stripes there.
posted by item at 6:17 PM on October 22, 2012


It's cool that Obama is making points, but Romney looks legitimate. So long as he looks legitimate on the middle east, he wins.
posted by amuseDetachment at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Speaking of Putin, I think the Pussy Riot girls started their prison terms today. Fucker.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Syria is Iran's route to the sea? I thought Iran had sea ports. ?:(
posted by barnacles at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Humanitarian disaster = Opportunity!
posted by odinsdream at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Fuck no, what is happening in Syria right now should not be referred to as "an advantage" for us. Civilians are dying.
posted by maryr at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Our ally, Isruhl.
posted by Dr. Send at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012


'..while riding a unicorn shirtless eating a bacon sandwich.'

This is my family crest.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Mitt's pin is all big and pointy. It's distracting.
posted by The Whelk at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012


If by vertical you mean horizontal
posted by bq at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012


here comes the bomb the middle east blather. time to send everyone's kid's to die other than yourr eh mitt?
posted by lampshade at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Did Romney say that Syria is Iran's route to the sea?
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Micro-striped
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012


Did Romney just say Syria was Iran's "route to the sea?"

And thanks Obama for mentioning that we can't have a repeat of 1980s Afghanistan (indirectly).
posted by wierdo at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama still needs to speak more like a true believer and less like my dad trying to teach me a lesson about the way life works.
posted by Mittenz at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Syria is Iran's route to the sea?
posted by Flashman at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012


Yeah, Mitt, the whole humanitarian aspect kind of fails to launch when you spend thirty seconds on that aspect and a whole minute on how to take advantage of the opportunity to reshape the region to our liking.
posted by winna at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012


Syria is Iran's route to the sea? I thought Iran had sea ports. ?:(

Eponysterical.
posted by Aizkolari at 6:18 PM on October 22, 2012


No. Syria isn't an opportunity for us. Those people dying aren't somehow our trump card to Iran.

...wait how are we doing this without military involvement? The hell? This isn't D&D, you can't just roll for extra arms that magically only work with Special USA-Approved Allies.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


> Mitt's pin is all big and pointy. It's distracting.

Why do you hate America?
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The White Council, sponsored by Mitt Romney.
posted by ersatz at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh, come on.
posted by barnacles at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney is just rotely repeating the neocon hard line on Syria. He doesn't have a clue.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012


It's weird to agree with what Romney is saying.
posted by zardoz at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012


MITT - IT'S NOT AN ANSWER IF YOU SAY THE SAME THING OBAMA JUST DID.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Whomever has "Israel" in the drinking game better have a potty close by.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


We don't want arms in the wrong hands.
posted by migurski at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Is Romney repeating exactly what Obama just said?
posted by blurker at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


So what I'm hearing from Romney on Syria is just repetition of what Obama said.
posted by wierdo at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012


Is Romney suggesting we assemble a Justice League in Syria or something? He's kind of rambling.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Shades of Bush's performance of rattling off memorized names of people and places from Romney.
posted by odinsdream at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney totally crammed for this oral exam, and is making sure to point out Facts He Knows About Syria: Iran's only ally, route to the sea, etc.
posted by Superplin at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Yes, let's prop up a government of our choice, and arm them, making sure the bad guys over there don't get the arms. That's worked out so well in the past.
posted by headnsouth at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


Foreign policy debate categories from Schieffer:
* America’s role in the world
* Our longest war – Afghanistan and Pakistan
* Red Lines – Israel and Iran
* The Changing Middle East and the New Face of Terrorism – I
* The Changing Middle East and the New Face of Terrorism – II
* The Rise of China and Tomorrow’s World


It's like most of the world doesn't even exist (what about the Americas? Africa? South Asia? Oceania?).
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


His tie has stripes. They're vertical, but there's stripes there

I just see dark dots. But it's not some huge banded Jos. a Bank thing.
posted by The Whelk at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney just repeated Obama's line. HE'S COPYING!
posted by zardoz at 6:19 PM on October 22, 2012


Oops. Sorry, LT. How ironic! ;)
posted by blurker at 6:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The RomneyBot has adapted since the last debate. He's maintaining his composure and hoping to make Obama appear combative in comparison.
posted by homunculus at 6:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


how did he just confuse assad with kofi annan.
posted by elizardbits at 6:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Am I the only one who thinks Romney sounds like a high-school essay?
posted by ersatz at 6:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Flashman: "Syria is Iran's route to the sea?"

yeah i had to look that up on google maps.

still doesn't make any sense.
posted by rebent at 6:20 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney is kind of less-coherently repeating what Obama says. I actually think that will help him, as long as he looks and sounds good doing it, which to about half of the electorate, I'm sure he does.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


If by vertical you mean horizontal

No, by vertical I meant vertical. Like Obama's tie-stripes.
posted by item at 6:20 PM on October 22, 2012


How do you call the bloodshed in Syria a human disaster and then call Syria an "opportunity for America" in the next sentence?
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I know the point of a debate is to debate each other, but going on the attack early made Obama look weak. The nerves are telling a bit; he's talking at rather than talking to. His pitch and pace are both a notch too high.

Deep breath, Mr President, and lay it out for us, not for him. We're all counting on you.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney just repeated Obama's line. HE'S COPYING!

Its a tried and true tactic sadly with Mitt
posted by lampshade at 6:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney is like this annoying guy at a party i was at the other night who was having a religion/philosophy conversation with a friend of mine. the annoying guy was annoying because it was obvious he read books and knew words and phrases but had no idea what they meant.
posted by sio42 at 6:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


SAY NATO SAY IT
posted by bq at 6:21 PM on October 22, 2012


Romn-E is in copy/write mode right now.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


The exports of Libya are numerous in amount. One thing they export is corn, or as the Indians call it, "maize". Another famous Indian was "Crazy Horse". In conclusion, Libya is a land of contrast. Thank you.
posted by ninjew at 6:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [54 favorites]


The RomneyBot has adapted since the last debate. He's maintaining his composure and hoping to make Obama appear combative in comparison.

Yes, but can he last the whole 90 minutes?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:21 PM on October 22, 2012


This is going to be a weird debate because, as the Syria and Libya responses illustrate, there really isn't anything Romney would do that's all that different from what Obama did do.
posted by Flashman at 6:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


WAIT THAT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE IF WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
posted by The Whelk at 6:21 PM on October 22, 2012


Woo! Banana republic in Syria!
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012


I see horizontal tiny stripes with tiny stars.
posted by bq at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Hmm. On closer examination of Obama's tie-stripes, they're not stripes at all. This will be the big news of the day, surpassing the fact that Mitt's penis is hanging out of his fly.
posted by item at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney's Stare = HE HATES OBAMA !!!
posted by ericb at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012


Is Romney repeating exactly what Obama just said?

Yes. This is why Romney's going to be considered the "victor" in this debate. All he really has to do is agree more-or-less with Obama and he looks "Presidential" and Obama looks "aggressive" when he attacks Romney.
posted by dirigibleman at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Shorter Romney: I have no idea what I would do differently than Obama in Syria.
posted by humanfont at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012


6-0 Giants
posted by mudpuppie at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Isn't this getting into ...classified territory?
posted by obscurator at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012


Man, if I lived in the Middle East this debate would be freaking me the fuck out.
posted by benito.strauss at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [17 favorites]


Not using American military involvement

So....by MAGIC.
posted by maryr at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


And oh, man the baseball game's on the verge of a bloodbath.
posted by dirigibleman at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012


"Governor, it sounds like you're just parroting what the President said. Can you say something original instead?"
posted by Diagonalize at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


We're gonna arm some people? What could possibly go wrong?
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012


Wait so if the military aren't involved in Syria at all, but Assad is going bye bye, are you just....dropping in weapons? From...not planes? Dirigibles maybe? Is he just suggesting assassination? Do we have Secret Definitely Not SEAL Ninjas?
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


So Romaney doesn't want to do any government action, he just wants to sell them things.

Mitt Romney is Obedahia Shane!
posted by The Whelk at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


surpassing the fact that Mitt's penis is hanging out of his fly.


And that he walked out on stage with toilet paper dragging from his shoe....that was weird
posted by lampshade at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012


Yes, but if they both agree, Romney wins because he looks presidential, that's not a good thing.
posted by amuseDetachment at 6:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Wow the Giants are killing it.
posted by Dr. Send at 6:23 PM on October 22, 2012


elizardbits: "how did he just confuse assad with kofi annan"

They both have moustaches.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:23 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


OBAMA BUILT THIS FOREIGN POLICY IN A CAVE

WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS
posted by elizardbits at 6:23 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


Romney has dry mouth?
posted by bq at 6:23 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney is kinda dumb and is totally parroting Obama.
posted by snsranch at 6:23 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Uh yeah Mitt we're kind of already doing that."
posted by jason_steakums at 6:23 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Wow, Obama called him on the repeat loop.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:23 PM on October 22, 2012


Yes, but who will stop the bloodletting on the part of the Cardinals?!
posted by limeonaire at 6:23 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama just called Romney out on his lack of differentiation with the administration's existing policy in the middle east.
posted by wierdo at 6:23 PM on October 22, 2012


Arm the Syrians. Check. That go-to plan has always worked so well. Especially after he JUST FUCKING SAID that Syria is Iran's biggest ally.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:23 PM on October 22, 2012


Oooh nice rhetorical improv there
posted by The Whelk at 6:23 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt's smirk makes me want to kick him in the teeth.
posted by PorcineWithMe at 6:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney bot is.... sad?
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:24 PM on October 22, 2012


America Stands For Democracy!
posted by ericb at 6:24 PM on October 22, 2012


In what alternate universe does Romney look presidential? He looks like a televangelist to me.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [24 favorites]


Mitt's totally gonna ralph.
posted by obscurator at 6:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The Cardinals of St. Louis are JUST ANOTHER PUBLICLY-FINANCED BIRD ROMNEY WOULD DISPENSE WITH! VOTE NOVEMBER 6TH!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


ok can someone pause it for a sec i have to pee
posted by elizardbits at 6:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Uh, Obama, I'm not sure jobs is where you want to go here...
posted by maryr at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012


America sometimes sits for Democracy, too, but that's okay. America is over 200 years old.
posted by barnacles at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


In what alternate universe does Romney look presidential? He looks like a televangelist to me.

He's white.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


6-0 Giants

10-0 Bears
posted by cashman at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Whenever Romney is talking, Obama looks like he is listening intently and eager to engage. When the President is talking, Romney looks like he is smelling farts.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


It's got to be so weird to be in a country that other countries talk about like this.

US privilege check.
posted by The Whelk at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Televangelists have more gravitas.
posted by winna at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I just realized this thread had over 300 comments before this thing even got started. This might go down in the very important part of history books as the Mefi thrad that no one will ever actually read all the way through.
posted by item at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Yes, but who will stop the bloodletting on the part of the Cardinals?!

Isn't this pretty much where Washington had them?
posted by never used baby shoes at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


elizardbits I got some bad news for you
posted by barnacles at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012


He looks like a televangelist to me.

QFT
posted by wabbittwax at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


NBC cut off Romney's side of the screen for a moment there...
posted by JoeXIII007 at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012


In what alternate universe does Romney look presidential? He looks like a televangelist to me.,

Well he's white, for one. That's totally worth bonus points, unfortunately.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012


ok can someone pause it for a sec i have to pee

you forgot your debate bucket?
posted by ninjew at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


They're dots.
posted by jontyjago at 6:25 PM on October 22, 2012


"I'll be quick." Ha!
posted by Bokmakierie at 6:26 PM on October 22, 2012


PANIC MITT MODE PANIC EYES DARTING AND TWITCHING
posted by The Whelk at 6:26 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt Romney: "Man, wouldn't it be great if we could predict the future?"
posted by jason_steakums at 6:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


You keep using the word "friend," Governor. I do not think that word means what you think it means.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Freedomvoices! That's actually a neat compound noun. Imma roll that one into conversation today.
posted by barnacles at 6:26 PM on October 22, 2012


The Cardinals of St. Louis are JUST ANOTHER PUBLICLY-FINANCED BIRD ROMNEY WOULD DISPENSE WITH! VOTE NOVEMBER 6TH!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:24 PM on October 22 [+] [!]

ROMNEY YOU LEAVE FREDBIRD ALONE!
posted by gc at 6:26 PM on October 22, 2012


Hey man, is that Freedom Voices? Turn it up!
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


oh my god. romney just said freedom voices. i'm going to throw up now.
posted by sio42 at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012


"I like how we handled Egypt, I just wish the POTUS were a wizard who could stare into the future and plan accordingly."
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Shit, shit, shit, peace, peace is safe to talk about right? People like peace!
posted by Diagonalize at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012


oh my god i can just bring my ipad into the bathroom with me
posted by elizardbits at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [15 favorites]


Mitt talks in a lot of 20/20 hindsight. But I guess that comes with the territory when the debate is about what happened when one was not even the candidate yet.

Still weird.
posted by lampshade at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012


These freedom voices, these binder women, these American states under Romn-E.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012


A lot of agreement going on so far. This debate should've been half foreign policy and MORE DOMESTIC POLICY. It's badly needed.
posted by zardoz at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012


Peaceful Planet. Brought to you by Haliburton.
posted by Dr. Send at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


OH OH, ECONOMY and STRONG, drink twice!
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012


THERE'S THE ECONOMY SEGUE!!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


He looks like a televangelist to me.

Used car salesman. Or, worse, a manager of used car salesmen.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Here comes Mitt's strength thing.
posted by cashman at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012


He wishes that we had a better vision OF the future?! I think we all wish that, Romney. It would give me great peace of mind to know the outcome of this election already.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama should point out "You're afraid of what Ahmadinejad says? Weener."
posted by barnacles at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


HEY EVERYONE WE'RE ALL GOING TO THE BATHROOM WITH ELIZARDBITS NOW
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [15 favorites]


Mitt, when you're backstepping into Domestic Economy in a Foreign Policy debate we can all smell the desperation.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh, terrific soldiers.
posted by maryr at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012


ok....here comes the stump speech stuff....mitt is floundering
posted by lampshade at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012


Mubarak "crushed" people. *holds fingers up to eye... "I'm crushing your head! I crush your head!"
posted by mudpuppie at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


The PRESIDENT is PRESIDENTIAL tonight (as always).

Fuck you, opportunist, hollow, flip -flopper Mitt Romney. Blah, blah, blah.
posted by ericb at 6:27 PM on October 22, 2012


But that means I have to remove my catheter ..... :(
posted by barnacles at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012


Peace != moar killing, Romneybot.
posted by limeonaire at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012


romney bot is not doing well with names tonight.
posted by sio42 at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012


Is Romney's face bright red on every channel or just MSNBC?
posted by octothorpe at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Is he free associating?
posted by bq at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt does a huge right turn into the economy. I've done this in exams before - it does not go well, even as a joke.
posted by winna at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


FORTY-TWO ALLIES!
posted by maryr at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


dude mantles of peace are so 1945

also, are you seriously taking Ahmadinejad at his taunts? because he really just wants your lunch plutonium
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt Word Salad Romney
posted by The Whelk at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney quotes Ahmadinejad to claim the debt is some sort of national security issue.
posted by wierdo at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


42 ALLIES
posted by Flashman at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012


GUYS, WE HAVE 42 FRIENDS!
posted by Diagonalize at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney, if you're going to listen to Ahmadinejad on what makes America great, I don't know what to tell you.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


Word salad for America!
posted by aspo at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012


OK, Romney said "42" first....does he, WIN?!?!
posted by obscurator at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012


The Schieff's not doing so bad here.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012


All that technology and intelligence got us bogged down in two land wars in the Middle East. Time to reevaluate, Romney.
posted by lineofsight at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012


Forty-two allies! That's the entire Risk board.
posted by oulipian at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


*peeks in elizardbits medicine cabinet*
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


The rest of the answer to the ultimate question "allies". "42 allies". And bonus: they are around the world.
posted by meinvt at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012


We have to stand by our principles. What are our principles? check back with me next week.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012


You already have the strongest military Mitt, stronger than all the rest combined. And America's influence got done by a certain man called W.
posted by ersatz at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Out military's second to none in the world." Our military is second to -13 in the world.
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


HAY GUYS IM PEEIN
posted by elizardbits at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [17 favorites]


Did he really just say he wish we recognized there was a growing energy and passion for freedom in that part of the world. Are there parts of the world where people DON'T yearn for freedom? As far as I can tell only Republicans yearn for slavery.
posted by any major dude at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Let's play "What's our Role."
I think we should be pirates.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Ha! This is the ad non-members are seeing.
posted by hot_monster at 6:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Damn you whelk
posted by aspo at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012


America has more Facebook Friends than any other country on this earth.
posted by maryr at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Shit. Not this running out the clock again and endless bs from Romney.
posted by Skygazer at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012


This isn't a goddamned debate, it's Dueling-Banjos speechifying.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Y need to clean your bathroom elizardbits
posted by The Whelk at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012


maryr: "Oh, terrific soldiers."

for our economy strongest in the world sequestration great soldiers don't deserve budget cuts.
posted by boo_radley at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


OH OH, ECONOMY and STRONG, drink twice!

If you're drinking on those, I hope you have "9-1-" already dialed and some nice person to push that last "1" for you.
posted by gladly at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Millions of eyes rolling
posted by Flashman at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012


Is Romney's face bright red on every channel or just MSNBC?

CSPAN too.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012


Ugh paternalistic leading the world shit yeah this has always worked out well.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012


GUYS, WE HAVE 42 FRIENDS!

YOU FORGOT POLAND
posted by mudpuppie at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Way to steer your argument into a tree Mitt
posted by The Whelk at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


'Bama has to hit him back on the economy.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012


We want things to be GOOD
posted by jinjo at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney- promoting peace throughout the world by "arming people".
posted by PorcineWithMe at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney keeps "pivoting" this back to domestic issues. Dude no.
posted by hellojed at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012


The Whelk: PANIC MITT MODE PANIC EYES DARTING AND TWITCHING

That was Mitt activating economy.exe.

See what I did there?
DOS is a 1980s operating system.
Okay, that was a bit of a reach.

posted by Kattullus at 6:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Are we just sedating the world with Peace Doritos or something? I don't get how we're supposed to spread peace around or why anyone would welcome it, frankly.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


SHUT UP SHUT UP
posted by bq at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


My conservative buddies are declaring on Facebook that they are going to bed.
posted by humanfont at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Talking about the economy seems to be the last refuge of this scoundrel.
posted by Danf at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


PHEW

He didn't forget about Poland.
posted by barnacles at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney is visibly sweating. As a somewhat sweat-more-than-average person, I want to feel bad for him. But I really don't at all. Melt Mittens, melt.
posted by raztaj at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


BOILERPLATE
posted by zardoz at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


I think in the last 5 minutes he's said scrunf 15 or 20 times.
posted by cashman at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


GUYS, THE MILLITARY BUDGET, WILL NOT CUT IT, AT ANY MOMENT THE IMPERAL JAPANESE NAVY MIGHT APPEAR TO SURROUND US ON ALL SIDES
posted by The Whelk at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


uh oh he's stuck on the economy subroutine, reboot him while Obama is talking
posted by ninjew at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


WHAT ABOUT POLAND?
posted by item at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney: Ditto, but in a patronizing, disagreeable way.
posted by shakespeherian at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


He remembered Poland.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


America's role in the world is the Ninja from the ICP Live Tour.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


KEEP YOUR BLOODY MISSILES FROM EUROPE, MITT
posted by ersatz at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


is this the Charlie Brown teacher segment?
posted by lampshade at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


HAY GUYS IM PEEIN

Looks like elizardbits is playing the drinking game by my rules, godspeed you!
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Finally, someone coached Obama on how to act when Mitt speaks. He's watching calmly. No emotion. Just watching.
posted by zarq at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Strengthen our military? Yeah, they're so hurting for money.
posted by zardoz at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama just looked at Bob like "did you hear what this mf just said?"
posted by cashman at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012


"We don't know what the world is going to throw at us." We can take a good guess: climate change, massive unrest of the impoverished, the twilight of American empire.
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


My conservative buddies are declaring on Facebook that they are going to bed.

They're confident going to bed, or bored going to bed?
posted by winna at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012


What Bob's thinking
posted by hellojed at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


NEVAR FORGET POLAND!

Seriously, I can't. It's my name and everything.
posted by Diagonalize at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012


9/11!!

*DRINK*
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I got forty-two allies but a Mitt ain't one.
posted by Flunkie at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


And come to speak of it, America is not one indispensable nation, Obama.
posted by ersatz at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Next question: what is the meaning of life?
Also, do you guys like America?

Can these questions be any more vague? Might as well just give each of them 30 min to speak thir platforms
posted by rmless at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012


"One nation, indispensible..."
posted by asperity at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012


DAMMIT, APPARENTLY WE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR A LONG FUCKING TIME. :(
posted by mudpuppie at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012


As an American, and an American living abroad, I wouldn't mind if America wasn't the "one indispensable nation." Maybe it's time for the US to chill out, take a vacation, maybe manage its garden and paint the walls, 'cos the place is starting to look a little run-down.
posted by barnacles at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


OH SO SOUTH AMERICA IS JUST LEFT OUT THERE FINE WELL TAKE OUR LIME DRINKS AND GUINEA PIGS ELSEWARE
posted by The Whelk at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Fuck it, let's just make this a domestic debate.
posted by amuseDetachment at 6:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


also did Romney call out lower birth rates as some sort of world catastrophe?
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:32 PM on October 22, 2012


I feel Obama's eyes are looking past Romney during those long, calm pauses.
posted by jermspeaks at 6:32 PM on October 22, 2012


obama really looks like he's trying to not laugh.
posted by sio42 at 6:32 PM on October 22, 2012


But I don't want a job commensurate with my college degree!

/philosophy major
posted by scatter gather at 6:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


" fine, you want to steamroll this into a domestic debate! Fine, there's all the things I burned you with before, you're welcome"
posted by The Whelk at 6:32 PM on October 22, 2012


COME ON THEY HAVE LIQUID CHEESE DISPENSERS IN AMERICA MAN
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:32 PM on October 22, 2012


The President finally sounds Presidential.
posted by zarq at 6:32 PM on October 22, 2012


I am pretty sure I heard Obama snickering.
posted by elizardbits at 6:32 PM on October 22, 2012


lookit dat adams apple, wow.
posted by boo_radley at 6:32 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney went from Poland to Iran faster than Carmen Sandiego.
posted by maryr at 6:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [23 favorites]


Bush Cheney Zing
posted by Rumple at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I am just saying, "education for ladies" and "gender equality" tend to go with "fewer kids" so maybe re-think your talking points.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I thought Obama just said "Asking the lumpiest to pay a little bit more" and I'm not even drinkin.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


I love how Obama has adopted the motto of Tesco for his tax plan. Every little (bit) helps.
posted by ersatz at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


THEN WHY DON'T YU TELL US WHAT THAT IS?!
posted by The Whelk at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I know what it takes, guys. I know.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney's laugh when saying "agenda of the future" is terrifying.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Come on Obama hit him on his 12 million job bull shit.
posted by humanfont at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney will get America working again? I could have SWORN he said in the last debate that Government doesn't create jobs. Curious.
posted by barnacles at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Sweet, 5-step plan!
posted by King Bee at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


C'mon c'mon c'mon call him on the 12 million jobs FINALLY. Now's the time!
posted by jason_steakums at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Five steps! Drink!
posted by benito.strauss at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


Ooh, 'Romney laughed robotically'.
posted by bq at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


INTERRUPT HIM OBAMA!! INTERRUPT HIM!! TELL HIM HE IS A LYING PIECE OF DUNG!!
posted by Skygazer at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


I know what it takesssssss
posted by rmless at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


Ooooh, Dick Cheney reference. Better not say his name twice more.
posted by Flunkie at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


FIVE SIMPLE STEPS DOWN THE BOTTLE
posted by The Whelk at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I guess they got bored with foreign policy and decided to just go full-bore talking points.
posted by winna at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


Five simple steps! Everyone chug!!
posted by Dr. Send at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I've got a policy for the future. I'll give you the details ... in the future.
posted by headnsouth at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


NO NOT THE FIVE SIMPLE STEPS - THE ONES SO SIMPLE THEY HAVE NO FACTS IN THEM! AAAAAAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEEE!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


HE KNOWS WHAT IT TAKES
posted by mudpuppie at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


FIVE SIMPLE STEPS!
posted by octothorpe at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES

lol forever
posted by ninjew at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I know how to create 12 million new jobs, but you don't because I'm not telling you nyah nyah!
posted by ersatz at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


STOP WITH THE FIVE STEPS SHIT, EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S A CROCK
posted by triggerfinger at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


AND THE FINAL STEP IN MY PLAN IS "PROFIT"
posted by elizardbits at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


oh...here it is..the 5 step myth. Can't wait for this rebuttal.
posted by lampshade at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


So much for the foreign policy debate.
posted by dirigibleman at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012


I didn't realize tonight's episode was a repeat. Feh.
posted by Superplin at 6:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Just for you Mitens, I'll just leave this here:

First come smiles, then comes lies. Last is gunfire.
-- Roland Deschain
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


"Heh, heh, heh, I have a policy for the future."
posted by nobody at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


Man, remember the Monroe Doctrine? Wasn't that great?
posted by maryr at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Latin America, y'all!
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


Latin....America.
posted by obscurator at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


Guys I'm already out of Chimay
posted by shakespeherian at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Shit, there's the China reference. I only have two beers to drink tonight, people!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


This morphed so slowly into a domestic debate I didn't even notice it.

This moderator is fucking terrible.
posted by barnacles at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Hey let's just increase our trade. . .it's THAT simple!
posted by Danf at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney's laugh when saying "agenda of the future" is terrifying.

It's the little, pinched laugh of a little-minded man with a pinched heart.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


put the teachers first by getting rid of the teachers union?
posted by rebent at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


Fuck the teachers.... yep....
posted by HuronBob at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


STUPID TEACHERS UNIONS!
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


STOP REPEATING THE FUCKING FIVE STEP PLAN

JETLAGADDICT SMASH YOUR TALKING POINTS

SO BORING THIS IS SO BORING

wait when did we get to Latin America? Latin America is....is not a country? It is not a discrete entity wait why are we on unions?

Mittlash. I think I have Mittlash.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


oh god the steps, always with the steps
posted by scatter gather at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


"Teacher's union has got to go" uh no
posted by hellojed at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


OH SO SOUTH AMERICA IS JUST LEFT OUT THERE FINE WELL TAKE OUR LIME DRINKS AND GUINEA PIGS ELSEWARE

You'll be glad to know that Mitt is eager to embrace the varied languages and time zones of our southern neighbors.
posted by winna at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


What a load of lies.
posted by benito.strauss at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney keeps repeating the same debunked statements. It's obnoxious. And how can anyone who knows the first thing of his history can buy into the idea that he knows how to create jobs?
posted by JHarris at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


Sigh. I picked a hell of a time to quit drinking.
posted by snickerdoodle at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


Is this the "GRAB BAG SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT" question? I feel like I'm watching the last two debates on fast forward.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Also apparently Romney doesn't know that South America is huge and has a ton of left-wing governments.
posted by ersatz at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


They speak LATIN in Latin America. Am I right?
posted by ericb at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


It's almost a given that jobs will be created and wages will rise, no matter what. Romney is a confidence man.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


YOU WOULDN'T KNOW A SMALL BUSINESS IF IT BIT YOU ON THE ASS MITTENS
posted by elizardbits at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Trade doubles every five or so years...And this is sustainable how?
posted by limeonaire at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Okay , as long as we're back on domestic policy, how about we address LGBT rights?
posted by triggerfinger at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


STOP SHITTING ON GREECE
posted by shakespeherian at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


What the fuck do you know about small business, Mitt?
posted by maryr at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


Is wondering if it's just me, or if nobody else understands what the hell Romney is talking about, either.
posted by wintermind at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


If trade grows by 12% a year, how can it double every five years? I'm bad at math, but I think I'm better than Romney?
posted by mudpuppie at 6:34 PM on October 22, 2012


The road to Grease could be a tumult
posted by quietalittlewild at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Dat steps
posted by jinjo at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012


Gimmee some of them TIME ZONE OPPORTUNITIES.
posted by Kinbote at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I know what we need. I DO, I DO, I SWEAR.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012


Did we get number five twice?
posted by blurker at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012


Guys, do you think mitt likes small business? I can't tell
posted by rmless at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012


And number 6 we all need to believe and tinker bell will come back to life
posted by aspo at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Really, investors think we're on the road to Greece, Romney? Short term real treasury rates are still negative.
posted by wierdo at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012


The moderator should ask why America is third in the world in liking America. We lag behind Japan in liking America, are we just going to let Japan like us more than we do? What will they do about the liking America gap.
posted by Ad hominem at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


5 Points - drink

But WTF happened to Foreign Policy?
posted by Rumple at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012


OH BACK TO SMALL BUSINESSES.

HEY ROMNEY IF I INCORPORATE MY BUTT WILL YOU CALL ME A JOB CREATOR WHENEVER I TAKE A SHIT
posted by hellojed at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


9 million jobs? Fun with numbers.
posted by zardoz at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama finally called Mitt out on his 'small business' promotions. *swoon*
posted by carsonb at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012


Time zone, language opportunities....Hooo boy! Did anyone have time zones on their bingo card? I want to hear more about these time zone opportunities. Could they help out a lady trying to pee during a debate?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012


Time for this debate's joke from my FB friend :

"For my conservative friends who tell me that Mitt Romney is a master debater, I ask you this - is that even allowed in the Mormon Church?"
posted by HopperFan at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney is worried about declining white birth rates for obvious GOP reasons. They need to make more angry old white dudes stat.
posted by emjaybee at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Also, what are "language opportunities"?
posted by limeonaire at 6:35 PM on October 22, 2012


"Latin America's economy"? I'm surprised he's saying China and not just EMEA.
posted by boo_radley at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012


If nothing else alka seltzer profits are going to soar tomorrow
posted by The Whelk at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012


They speak LATIN in Latin America. Am I right?

A GOOD moderator would be all, 'Time out. Name four languages spoken in Latin America... Go!'
posted by winna at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Education, yay!
posted by zardoz at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012


Talk about math teachers! That's me!!!!!
posted by King Bee at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Five Simple Steps", the heatseeking new single from Mitt Romney and the Bain Capitals.....
posted by theartandsound at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Strengthen our military? Yeah, they're so hurting for money.

Well, yes. But I suspect that's not where Mitt would put the money.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"if you talk to teachers"...

My math teacher wife is approving of, guess who.....
posted by HuronBob at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


okay I mean I <3 teachers but I must have missed the part where the teacher's unions joined the UN and became the recognized foreign policy issue that homework really is
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"The Road to Greece" is a little known Crosby/Hope film from 1942 in which the two heroes have a zany, madcap adventure on their way to souvlaki and doom.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


Is there some sort of mic problem that whenever Obama says the letter S, he sounds like the groundhog from Whinnie The Pooh? "Small Businesses" sounds like "tweet tweetnetweettweet"
posted by not_on_display at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012


Fuck Romney if he wants the final word each time...
posted by Skygazer at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Talk to teachers. As if Romney would be caught dead talking to a teacher, they are the rabble.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt is going to go right for his "class sizes" talk, where he talks about kids in Mass. Yall ready?
posted by cashman at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney just had a good point, about how the U.S. should focus on trade with Latin America, because a lot of Americans speak Spanish, and a lot of Latin America speaks Spanish, and there's a time zone overlap, so their business day overlaps with ours, and he blew it by trying to cram it into five words.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


> Guys I'm already out of Chimay.

Finally, an international crisis we can all agree on a solution to.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Mitt is proud of US!
posted by maryr at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012


BOB SUCKS.
posted by cashman at 6:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


NO SHUT UP AND GET BACK TO FOREIGN POLICY

MODERATOR YOU ARE THE WORST
posted by elizardbits at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


OH POINT TO THE MODERATOR

oh no wait Romney's talking again about Romney and the state that's disowned him

no points for you
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


After TWENTY MINUTES Bob wakes up and remembers that this is a foreign policy debate.
posted by winna at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


LET ME TALK I NEED THIS I HAVE A THING TO TALK ABOUT EDUCATIOON TALKING REMEMBERING WHAT'S THE QUESTION
posted by The Whelk at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


That's what spilled water does to a circuit board.
posted by obscurator at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


WHERE'S MY COMPETENT WOMAN MODERATOR!!!!!
posted by benito.strauss at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [19 favorites]


"I make 4th Graders NUMBER ONE."
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


But WTF happened to Foreign Policy?

Everything must be seen through the lens of America.
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


Mod is bad.
posted by shortfuse at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


What is WITH Romney's bedroom-eyes while Obama is talking?
posted by Theta States at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Moderator: "CAN I BRING THIS DEBATE BACK ON TOPIC THIS IS STUPID"
Romney: "No, I want to talk about domestic policy."
Moderator: "oh okay that's fine i'll just go under the table now if that's okay"

Me: "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"
posted by barnacles at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


And now... back to foreign policy... not.
posted by jermspeaks at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Bob might as well just roll over and die for all he is moderating
posted by rmless at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


For shame, Bob. I am so sick of the laying down and letting Romney steamroll each and every "conversation."
posted by mynameisluka at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


MITTERUPTION TIME
posted by boo_radley at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Bob Shieffer just sounded like he was SNARLING on that "Can I just get back to foreign policy here?....."
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


"I'm so proud of the state that I was governor of" Unfortunately they are not so proud of you.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


> After TWENTY MINUTES Bob wakes up and remembers that this is a foreign policy debate.

Then promptly goes back to sleep.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


Yay! Obama's schooling the governor on education policy! Boo! This is the foreign policy debate!

Yay! Mittens is talking about fourth-graders! Boo! They're ahead of him in school!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


Can he not pronounce Massachusetts maybe?
posted by Flashman at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Dammit guys, I think YouTube is lagging behind the live feed, so I feel like I'm reading this thread so fast I'm reading ahead into spoilers for something that's happening currently... but if I switch to the TV I am all alone!

GUYS
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Watching the CNN squiggle-line, men disapprove of strong statements from Obama, but women like them....
posted by Theta States at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


Class sizes make a difference in terms of carbon dioxide-induced oxygen deficits, yes; anyone else see that link?
posted by limeonaire at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


Please someone fire Mitt's advisors for NOT FUCKING TELLING HIM THAT NO ONE LIKES AN INTERRUPTER
posted by triggerfinger at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"But that was ten years before you took office and then you cut the budget".
posted by ersatz at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


"The state that I had the chance to be governor of" because I moved there so I could be governor.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I'm going to be sick.
posted by Skygazer at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


After TWENTY MINUTES Bob wakes up and remembers that this is a foreign policy debate.

Schieffer really is kinda blowing it. sad
posted by lampshade at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


Also, what are "language opportunities"?

More people in the US speak Spanish than Chinese and its easier to learn.
posted by Jahaza at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012


Bob stop, he's babbling off topic, bob what are you doing stahp
posted by The Whelk at 6:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


ahahaha, go Bob..."we have heard this in other debates"
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012


Too bad Romney didn't take those awesome math classes.
posted by classa at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012


look at Obama he's totally making the "who is this clown even" face
posted by ninjew at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


COME ON OUR WEBSITE
posted by The Whelk at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012


"Republicans and Democrats came together"

George W. Bush said he was going to be uniter, not a divider. I can't imagine Romney would be any better than the horribly divisive Bush presidency was.
posted by jiawen at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012


More numbers from Romney. By which I mean lists - not facts.
posted by maryr at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012


Mod: How will you pay for it

Mitt: Let me talk instead about the military
posted by triggerfinger at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Does Romney get to speak 3 times in a row?
posted by aspo at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012


Shieffer: OK, we've heard this all before.
posted by octothorpe at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012


You can balance a budget by reducing spending? YOU DON'T SAY.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012


Seriously, how many times can he bring up the Massachusetts schools #1 thing? Even if it were relevant to anything, it's Massachusetts! If someone managed to do that with, say, Mississippi, I'd vote for him if he were Satan himself.
posted by asperity at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Oh the facts are hiding on the website!

DON'T WORRY OBAMACARE IS DONE GUYS

HAVE FUN DYING
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:38 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Ah yes, Bob. Visit my website, you'll learn just what I'm talking about!
posted by mynameisluka at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I think Obama isn't so much trying to interrupt or bust him on facts but instead to hit Romney with stuff to shake him up.

I think it's working.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt is sweating.
posted by The Whelk at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012


"Come on over to my website."
posted by obscurator at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012


BOB

BOB

BOB

ROMNEY IS TALKING ABOUT BULLSHIT BOB

STOP HIM NOW
posted by King Bee at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [22 favorites]


Romney really hates THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A.
posted by ericb at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012


He'll balance the budget within 8-10 years?
posted by ceribus peribus at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012


Someone's blink sequence needs debugging.
posted by theredpen at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


How could I vote for someone to be President if that person doesn't respect the President... ?
posted by HuronBob at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012


FINALLY, he reveals a platform. He will cut 5% of the discretionary budget.
posted by Flashman at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012


"the POOR" I mean SO NEEDY, the POOR, they probably never even went to a state college in Massachusetts
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


He's so proud of his record in Massachusetts that he's not bothering to campaign there now because he knows there's no point.
posted by homunculus at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I love Obama's smile. It's so much more charming than the face Mitt makes when he hears something he doesn't like.
posted by blurker at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


SHUT UP MITTENS
posted by elizardbits at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012


WHAT DID HE JUST SAY TURN OVER MEDICAID TO THE STATES????????? OH MY GOD. SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN SATAN...
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012


I don't want to hear anymore about how Romney looks Presidential. No way that kind of interrupting and talking over people doesn't cause an international incident.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


THE POOR!
posted by octothorpe at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitts eyes seem to be watering up....or is that just my tv?
posted by lampshade at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012


Bob?

BOB!
posted by The Whelk at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh, Romney, Rhode Island got more money with their wacko waiver, not less.
posted by wierdo at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


'States run these programs (Medicaid) more efficiently.'

With fat subsidies from the federal government.
posted by winna at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney is trying to sell that used car again.
posted by ersatz at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Bob

Bob

Bob

Bob
posted by shakespeherian at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


yes lets cut things because the economy isn't strong so lets not help it
posted by ninjew at 6:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romn-E firmware upgrade 8 apparently included a new "Yay Medicare" feature.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Factoid:

Mitt Romney's net worth (250 million) is slightly more than Jamie Oliver's (235 million).

Surprised?
posted by cacofonie at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Block grant for Medicaid. Jesus Christ.
posted by Talez at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012


Damn it -- and now we're back to the first two debates...
posted by blurker at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012


ALSO

MOTION TO ENABLE THE IMAGE TAG FOR ELECTION DAY
posted by elizardbits at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


"Come on to our website"
"Oh. Ok."
posted by iamkimiam at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


caps lock isn't how Bob feels inside
posted by ninjew at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


"he should've answered the first question"

The audience had a quickening.
posted by The Whelk at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt Romney is sooooo stoned right now.
posted by not_on_display at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012


No, Obama don't go into boring math now :( Keep with the rhetorical flourish math, please!

No not trillio...zzzzzzZZZZzzZZzzz
posted by barnacles at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The puuoor. WE ARE ALL PUUOOR COMPARED TO THIS GUY!
posted by theredpen at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


The expression on Mitt's face is the one I wear when my cat farts.
posted by droomoord at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


"We spend more than the next 10 countries combined" Thank you.
posted by cashman at 6:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


MOTION TO ENABLE THE IMAGE TAG FOR ELECTION DAY

help i can only favorite this once why
posted by ninjew at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Mitt seems to be getting a little steamed.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012


SPACE
posted by ersatz at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I successfully came onto their website.

Now I'll just brb gotta get something to clean my screen
posted by barnacles at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


HEY BOB COME ON MY WEBSITE AND MAYBE I'LL TELL YOU HOW MY TAX PLAN WORKS
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE HAVING A FUCKING PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE RIGHT NOW
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


SPACE!
posted by giraffe at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012


WE ALL NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT SPACE
posted by The Whelk at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Bob

Bob

Bob

Bob


CAPS LOCK IS HOW I FEEL INSIDE.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


MOTION TO ENABLE THE IMAGE TAG FOR ELECTION DAY

Denied. Carry on.
posted by jessamyn at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [39 favorites]


Do you think mitt's lips are allergic to debates? They always seem to go away when they start
posted by rmless at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012


Every time I look at the knobby dial-y thing on CNN, it's good for Obama and not so good for Romney.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


According to the CNN feed, undecided women heart Barack Basicmathematicsama.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I've been so busy working I haven't had a chance to start drinking or follow the debates.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012


We need to be thinking about space, and expelling people like Romney into it.
posted by obscurator at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt has a "I don't know what the hell this guy is talking about" look.
posted by HuronBob at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012


jessamyn!! FINALLY A STRONG MODERATOR
posted by barnacles at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [57 favorites]


SHUT UP ABOUT THE OLYMPICS YOU DICKWAFFLE
posted by elizardbits at 6:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


MOTION TO ENABLE THE IMAGE TAG FOR ELECTION DAY


That is such a wonderful, terrible idea. It's terrific.
posted by maryr at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


EXACTLY! More money is not the answer -- spending on the right things is the right answer!
posted by blurker at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


yep and then Bain sold them to China, so I guess that's going to be rough on Mississippi
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012


oh no not the olympics...
posted by dhruva at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012


Cyberspace! Space space! yes I'm mocking Obama. He's dreamy and all, but.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


The words "balance the budget" have lost all meaning.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012


Next up: Mitt balances the universe on the head of a pin.
posted by Dr. Send at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


"I had a chance to be governor of state..." Maybe that read as "I had a chance to be governor of [STATE]" on his script?
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney, you balanced budgets at Bain by taking government subsidies. You balanced the Olympics budget by taking government subsidies.
posted by wierdo at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Secret Life of Gravy wrote upthread
Obama has that intense labrador-retriever-waiting-for-the-stick-to-be-thrown look.
So true
posted by dougzilla at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012


our navy is just a shitty rowboat covered in flies i'm gathering?
posted by Greg Nog at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


In the world of business, you don't balance your budget, you go out of business. And then Bain Capital buys it and profits.

No wonder he thinks he can do this.
posted by maryr at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


sheesh.....mitt is just harping on the military angle....he just can't get off that point.
posted by lampshade at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012


The guy whose job it was to get debt to struggling companies is talking about how businesses need to have balanced budgets at all times?
posted by Ndwright at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Who sank Mitt's battleship?
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012


I thought this was a furrin policy debate.
posted by SillyShepherd at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt looks like he's about to cry.

Just keep saying balance, over and over.

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE NAVY I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE GREAT ATLANTEIAN THREAT
posted by The Whelk at 6:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


How about fighting in no conflicts? Can we do that, please?
posted by giraffe at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


GDP = private consumption + gross investment + government spending + (exports − imports)

can someone please tattoo the GDP equation on these people who claim that they'll cut government.
posted by winna at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I can't get the Youtube stream to catch up, every time I refresh it just gets a few more seconds behind.
posted by jinjo at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012


If only our ships and planes had improved technologically since 1917.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Our Navy today now has a BAJILLION TIMES MORE NUCLEAR ENGINES than 1916.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012


MITT THIS ISN'T JEOPARDY YOU DON'T CHOOSE TOPICS
posted by ninjew at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Wait. Wait. Did Romney just suggest two conflicts was a sign we were doing better?
posted by maryr at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Sequestration? Sea Quest Ration? Seacrest Ray Gun?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


The low 200s OH NOES
posted by zardoz at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt keeps reminding me of that scene from Office Space: "I'M A PEOPLE PERSON! I'M GOOD WITH PEOPLE!"
posted by Diagonalize at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


ALL GOVERNMENT SPENDING IS WRONG, EXCEPT MILITARY CAUSE OTHERWISE PEOPLE WILL STEAL OUR STUFF
posted by The Whelk at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


HORSES.
posted by giraffe at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


HAHAHAHAHAH!!!
posted by cashman at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012


PLANES LAND ON THEM
posted by jason_steakums at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


Hah! Bayonets! I'M BACK ON TEAM BARRY!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


FUCK EVERYBODY WE'RE DOING 5 CONFLICTS
posted by contraption at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Fewer horses, hee hee her
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012


HORSES AND BAYONETS!
posted by oulipian at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


"Well governor we have also fewer horses and bayonets."
posted by ersatz at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [18 favorites]


Obama, no you didn't!
posted by amuseDetachment at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh SNAP
posted by bq at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012


Fewer horses and bayonets...lol
posted by sfts2 at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


HA! Horses and bayonets!!!
posted by lampshade at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012


Fewer horses and bayonets FTW!!!
posted by Superplin at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012


ROMNEY SHIFTS INTO STRONG PRO-HORSE STANCE TO COUNTER
posted by Greg Nog at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [17 favorites]


Ha bayonets! Slam!
posted by rmless at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012


HORSES AND BAYONETS
posted by mynameisluka at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012


UNMENTIONED: ROMNEY'S WEBSITE IS LEMONPARTY.ORG
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 6:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


MOAR BAYONETS!!!!
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


SHIPS THAT GO UNDERWATER
posted by jontyjago at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


horses and bayonets.
posted by exlotuseater at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


LOL Battleship.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


PLANES LAND ON THEM <3 <3 <3
posted by Kattullus at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


We also have fewer horses and bayonets BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Why do we need a military that's as strong as in 1917 or 1918 or whatever?
posted by limeonaire at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


ROMNEY: MORE HIRSES AND BAYONETTES AND FINE SUITS OF THE FINEST ARMOUR
posted by The Whelk at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh he is making Mitt look dumb.
posted by cashman at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Haha! We live in the future now, stupidpants. Do you want us to have lots of schooners and dreadnoughts, too?
posted by barnacles at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


Hey, Obama just used an Al Franken joke! Horses and bayonets, baby!
posted by blurker at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


OMG. " We have ships that go underwater. "

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Mitt is going to explode.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


"We have these things called aircraft carriers."
posted by Room 641-A at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


You sank Mitt's battleship!
posted by Flashman at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


What about the horses and bayonets?
posted by Aizkolari at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


OH SNAP OBAMA!
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


"We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them."
posted by reductiondesign at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


In the Navy, yes, you can sail the seven seas
In the Navy, yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the Navy, come on now people, make a stand
In the Navy, can't you see we need a hand
In the Navy, come on, protect the motherland
In the Navy, come on and join your fellow, man
In the Navy, come on, people, and make a stand
In the Navy, in the Navy
posted by mudpuppie at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I also went to the 2002 Olympics! Yay, that means I can balance the budget too!
posted by iamkimiam at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


VOTE REPUBLICAN

MORE BAYONETS
posted by Flunkie at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


oh god I wish this had props

though, sir, if you think you are winning the lady vote on this "no horses" plan, you, sir, are mistaken #teampony
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Fewer horses and bayonets! BURN.
posted by insectosaurus at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


BATTLESHIP
posted by headnsouth at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


SHIPS THAT GO UNDERWATER
posted by jinjo at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Lolololol- bayonets and horses
posted by askmehow at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


FEWER HORSES AND BAYONETS!
posted by ericb at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


OH SHIT HOLY SNAP WE DON'T HAVE CAVALRY!

I SWEAR HE STOLE THAT FROM MEFI!
posted by Theta States at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


"Horses and bayonets."
I'm sure the "Explain it to me like I'm a five year old" subreddit is fucking blazing right now.
posted by obscurator at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Is Obama watching a clock and then interrupting at precisely the two-minute mark to cut down Romney overrruns? I think that's clever. I can support tactical interruption.
posted by gladly at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


lol horses and bayonets SNAP 3: FOREVER
posted by ninjew at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh dear, I just spit-taked a rather nice cab over "fewer horses and bayonets."
posted by jamaro at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


Smallest navy still?
posted by Garm at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


OHH SHIIIIT AHAHAHAHAHAHA
posted by Evernix at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Ha ha, he made it sound like Mitt thinks we still have bayonets. BAYONETS, MOTHERFUCKER!
posted by theredpen at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney / Aubrey 2012
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


MOTION TO ENABLE THE IMAGE TAG FOR ELECTION DAY

Denied. Carry on.


Wow. The bias
posted by triggerfinger at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Some play five-dimensional chess. Romney plays five-dimensional war.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


Ooo, I think Obama just lost the Navy vote there.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


"We have these things called aircraft carriers, and planes land on them."
posted by Danf at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


SINKING HIS BATTLESHIP
posted by SomaSoda at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


OH GOD NOT ISRAEL

brb heroin times
posted by elizardbits at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Great last word for Obama there.
posted by Aizkolari at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


Fewer horses and bayonets!
posted by Otherwise at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


E4
posted by sio42 at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney you just got laughed at son!
posted by cashman at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


I love, love, love that Obama defined submarine.
posted by asperity at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama gets points for referencing the hit feature film Battleship.
posted by shakespeherian at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Oh my fucking god. I am speechless at what Obama just did on the Navy.
posted by wierdo at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


We visited the website and it still doesn't work. (audience chuckles)
posted by Pudhoho at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


OH YEAH OH YEAH OH YEAH no more bayonets and horsies! GO OBAMA STICK 'EM. LOVED THAT.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Whoa the audience just broke their vow of silence!
posted by Dr. Send at 6:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


He just sunk Romney's battleship.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:45 PM on October 22, 2012


we visited the website hahahahha
posted by fungible at 6:45 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


BAMMMMMM!
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:45 PM on October 22, 2012


Seriously who the fuck is that old fart with white hair?
posted by jontyjago at 6:45 PM on October 22, 2012


And now for the Israel couples skate.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:45 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


FIX BAYONETS BEFORE THEY FIX YOU
posted by The White Hat at 6:45 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The disciplined audience is nevertheless unable to suppress its mirthful tittering.
posted by Rhaomi at 6:45 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


VOTE REPUBLICAN

WE WANT MORE OF THOSE FANCY SHIPS THAT TRAVEL UNDERWATER AND UM...UM...HORSES..THAT'S RIGHT HORSES!!


HA!
posted by Skygazer at 6:45 PM on October 22, 2012


We cannot afford a bayonet gap.
posted by 3200 at 6:45 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


USA + ISRAEL = BFFs 4 LYFE
posted by Diagonalize at 6:45 PM on October 22, 2012


Oo it's time for "who loves Israel?"
I hope they both try to pronounce things in hebrew
posted by rmless at 6:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


best way to watch debate
posted by elizardbits at 6:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [32 favorites]


This week? What a coincidence!
posted by homunculus at 6:46 PM on October 22, 2012


so I'm the only one who thought that was a touch condescending then? ok cool just checking
posted by likeatoaster at 6:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


We cannot afford a bayonet gap.

Or a horse gap....think of the dressagers!
posted by lampshade at 6:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


ROMNEY'S PLAN IS JUST A VEILED ATTEMPT TO HAVE MORE DANCING HORSES.
posted by The Whelk at 6:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


Oh please god someone tell me they have the full bayonettes quote.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I hate this "who has the biggest boner for Israel" contest.
posted by Aizkolari at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Romney is a premature actionator.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012


There's another 45 minutes of this.. I think I'm going to need a beer.
posted by goHermGO at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012


I am appalled at our minuscule buggy whip and musket budget. Lowest in American history.
posted by Superplin at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


And, a United States President...ME..

I see what you did there, sir.
posted by cashman at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm sure Rafalca would look quite fetching with his own bayonet.
posted by argonauta at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitts having a hard time smiling now. It looks uncomfortable.
posted by Liquidwolf at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Thanks to this debate in the election in two weeks I will now be casting my vote for a nuclear Iran.
posted by item at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


crying laughing sry
posted by ninjew at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


can someone please photoshop Romney as Napoleon on Fat Pony, leading dressage ponies to battle?

pretty please? I have so few pony requests but my god make it so
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


Also Mitt's "When I'm president" is sad.
posted by goHermGO at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney is clearly shaken now.
posted by wierdo at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012


Harry Potter and the Threat of Iran
posted by giraffe at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Last resort. Not the first resort."

That's the phrase that won the presidency.
posted by deanklear at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


so I'm the only one who thought that was a touch condescending then?

Yeah, but sometimes it may be deserved
posted by edgeways at 6:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


WINE TIME.
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


GOD NUMBER ONE NUMBER TWO BULLET POINTS WORK FOR POWERPOINT NOT IN DEBATES
posted by The Whelk at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


We have their back. Romney - gangsta 4 life.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Extra value is what you get, when you buy bayonets ♫
posted by theredpen at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"...they will have to face a united world, AND a United states president (me), who..."
posted by jinjo at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


I don't think these slams are gonna win over undecideds... When Biden explained the smaller military budget it sounded like he was an expert. Obama's sounding a bit cavalier...
posted by mdn at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


ROMNEY: B-7?

OBAMA: ALL UR BATTLESHIPS BELONG TO US.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


all the world's aircraft carriers
posted by changeling at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [15 favorites]


PSA - just broke 1,100 comments for this thread
posted by lampshade at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


"our mission in Iran". Again, what weird phrasing.
posted by benito.strauss at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


Correcting "if I'm President of the United States" to "when I'm President of the United States"? That's backwards, Mitt.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


He sure loves his numbered steps.
posted by aspo at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney: "If I am... When I am president of the United States..."

*SPOILER ALERT*
posted by Theta States at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Not just sanctions, mind. CRIPPLING SANCTIONS.
posted by jontyjago at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


But who will stand with Antarctica?
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


Wait ... now the GOP is keen on sanctions and doesn't want to just "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bom Iran"?? I can't keep up with their switcheroos.
posted by barnacles at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


WHEN I AM PRESIDENT
WHEN I AM PRESIDENT
WHEN I AM PRESIDENT

Maybe if he says it three times it will come to pass?
posted by mynameisluka at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


Everytime I see elizardbits name I think "EEEEE! Lizard Bits!"
posted by mysticreferee at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


Hang on, awhile ago, Mitt was mad 'cause we didn't do enough during the Green Revolution, now we need to tackle Iran with peace and diplomacy? I haz a confuse.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


If elected, I will copy whatever Obama says. But bettter!
posted by Orange Pamplemousse at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


If you elect me I will keep doing what he's doing.
posted by headnsouth at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


"If I'm president... When I'm president..."

Little presumptuous there, Mittens.
posted by Talez at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


Bah I can't stand listening to rehash politico yammer, just tell me who's winning.
posted by sammyo at 6:48 PM on October 22, 2012


Oil is fungible. Stopping it from entering your ports would matter not one whit.

Also: WHO is he inditing for genocide?
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm pretty sure "ships carrying Iranian oil" is like, the definition of "sanctions"

but then again a hour ago you didn't know Iran had "ports" soooo
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


"We need to handle this diplomatically, by treating their diplomats like shit."
posted by jason_steakums at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney basically said no more Chinese or South Korean imports, which is what would be required under his "tightened" sanctions on Iran.
posted by wierdo at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"I would do exactly what this failed president over here has done, except way more!"
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


The Genocide convention? Not very well attended this year. Surveys returned asked for better buffet.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


He hopes to shame Iran out of a nuclear weapon?
posted by ersatz at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012


Harry Potter and the Threat of Iran

YOU'RE A PANICKY ROBOT,ROMNEY
posted by The Whelk at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


What's the 'genocide convention'?
posted by Flashman at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Tact, motherfucker. Tact is necessary. Barking at other countries doesn't work.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012


Genocide convention?
posted by Talez at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


YOU LITERALLY CANNOT FIND IRAN ON A MAP MITTENS

OH MY GOD

SHUT UP I HATE YOU OH MY GOD

DEREK HALE TAKE ME AWAY
posted by elizardbits at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Does he not know the meaning of the word indite?
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012


Treating diplomats as pariahs is a great way to reach agreements.
posted by winna at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Nuclear folly?
posted by The Great Big Mulp at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012


genocide incitation? Well so much for those backroom talks that were not happening that the NYT reported and then did not report
posted by lampshade at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012


weird, Romney strategy seems to be just repeat whatever Obama says...
posted by dhruva at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012


crippling sanctions

Ableist motherfucker.
posted by Ice Cream Socialist at 6:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


OMG, one of my TeaPublican relatives just said on FB "Did our president just compare our Navy to a game of battleships and our armament to bayonnets?"

Definitely time for wine.
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 6:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh, hand gestures. Oh, oh, Bob, no.
posted by maryr at 6:50 PM on October 22, 2012


When I'm President, there will be more bayonets. And, horses. And those underwater boats of which you speak.
posted by Otherwise at 6:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


gencon
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Our only mission in Iran is making sure they don't develop nuclear weapons? How about less jingoistic talk about Iran?
posted by limeonaire at 6:50 PM on October 22, 2012


Someone told me that in marketing you always need an odd number of bullet points. I've noticed that Romney always has an odd number of plan points.
posted by aspo at 6:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Let's not mock the Genocide Convention, everyone.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


so I'm the only one who thought that was a touch condescending then?

It was very condescending, but it was worth making. The Navy of 2012 would uttered destroy the Navy of 1916, so of course we don't need as many ships.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


Iran can enter the League of Nations. Yep.
posted by snsranch at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama has kept his best burn material for the last debate.
posted by ersatz at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


oooo..."say them louder would make a difference"

heh heh
posted by lampshade at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


UNDERLYING MESSAGE: I actually know how government works you fucking toddler.
posted by The Whelk at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [17 favorites]


Romney's foreign policy is clearly just a stimulus for the dressage horses of war, who dare not sip the oil of Iranian hatred
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I love it -- Obama just reminded the world that foreign policy is hard, and takes lots of work. Smooth.
posted by wintermind at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


"Someone told me that in marketing you always need an odd number of bullet points. I've noticed that Romney always has an odd number of plan points."

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


ROMNEY JUST ASKED FOR AHMADINEJAD TO BE TRIED UNDER THE "GENOCIDE CONVENTIONS" BECAUSE HIS WORDS ENCOURAGE GENOCIDE

HIS WORDS

GENOCIDE

GUYS
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Ah, good job Obama talking about Iranians like humans.
posted by limeonaire at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012


I'D DO WHAT YOU DO ONLY LOUDER.
posted by Otherwise at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


OK kids, that's it!

Bib Bird -- Binders of women --Bayonets.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


I'm imagining Mitt's bayonet military like a new Decemberists song.
posted by iamkimiam at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


Navy 2012/Navy 1916 will surely be the next Reddit alt-history megathread.
posted by barnacles at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Just say it louder! That's how you get furriners to understand English, anyway.
posted by Superplin at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012


Yeah, Mitt doesn't get that US-only sanctions are pretty useless. Or he doesn't care, so long as he can look tuff.
posted by benito.strauss at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt the hell what's with the coquettish blinks and nods what the hell man are you crashing
posted by The Whelk at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Horses & Bayonets", "Genocide Convention"

This debate is ripe with so many shirt ideas (that everyone else is going to beat me to making and I probably won't anyway)
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 6:51 PM on October 22, 2012


The Great Big Mulp: Nuclear folly?

Encyclopædia Britannica: "folly, (from French folie, “foolishness”), also called Eyecatcher, in architecture, a costly, generally nonfunctional building that was erected to enhance a natural landscape."
posted by Kattullus at 6:52 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN
See what you did there.
posted by O Blitiri at 6:52 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama could Mitt in the bean bags and CNN will probably still call it a draw.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:52 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


iamkimiam: "I'm imagining Mitt's bayonet military like a new Decemberists song."

16 binders full of military wives?
posted by stet at 6:52 PM on October 22, 2012 [16 favorites]


scrunf scrunf scrunf
posted by cashman at 6:52 PM on October 22, 2012


So what happens when the clock stops, Obama? Same question, Romney.
posted by chrominance at 6:52 PM on October 22, 2012


Navy 2012/Navy 1916 will surely be the next Reddit alt-history megathread

No matter who wins, we get rum.

STRENGTH. DOWN YOUR DRINK.
posted by The Whelk at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


That's it. I'm voting for the smart guy.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Obama Weak. Me Strong.
posted by octothorpe at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012


"Apology tour"? BINGO!
posted by wintermind at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney conveniently forgets that Iran has been enriching uranium since before Obama took office. And forgets about Stuxnet.
posted by wierdo at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


> so I'm the only one who thought that was a touch condescending then?

No, it was condescending. But it's a ridiculous argument, one Romney's been making for a while and should have stopped by now. If he's going to be that amateurish he deserves a bit of teasing.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


STRENGTH: the opposite of WEAKNESS
posted by jinjo at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt the hell what's with the coquettish blinks and nods what the hell man are you crashing

Mitt Romney Looking Longingly At People
posted by saturday_morning at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


There's the daylight, that took much longer than I expected.
posted by maryr at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012


Remember the most important thing is to appear strong, not actually be strong, sell the sizzle, not the steak

DAYLIGHT, MULLAHS OH GOD I HAVE TO WORK TOMORROW STOP
posted by The Whelk at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012


Strength, strength, strength. Ignorance, ignorance, ignorance.
posted by ersatz at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012


STRENGTH STRENGTH STRENGTH

CENTRIFUGES
posted by shakespeherian at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012


SPINNING URANIUM
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012


Apology Tour? Fuck you Flip Romney.
posted by ericb at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012


"he'd meet with all the world's worst actors in his first year"

Did I miss the meeting with Schwarzenegger?
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


STOP CALLING IT AN APOLOGY TOUR

LITERALLY NO APOLOGIES WERE GIVEN
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney knows that Iran is laughing at us you guys. They said we had small wee wees.
posted by emjaybee at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012


Oooh what was that look during "centrifuges" Obama, are you gonna claim stuxnet?
posted by jason_steakums at 6:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Could the US Navy of 1916 conquer Rome?!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Binders of centrifuges! 10,000 centrifuges!
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012


But are they spinning faster Mitt? That's the scary part right?
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


10,000 centrifuges!
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt's entire debate strategy: What he just said, but from a white guy
@billmaher
posted by edgeways at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [18 favorites]


10,000 centerfuges? Go on, Barry, take credit for Stuxnet. You know you want to.
posted by stet at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Gods, my mother would NOT get off the phone...whadImiss?
posted by dejah420 at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt they're the representatives of sovereign nations not puppies that keep peeing in the house
posted by The Whelk at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


So Romney wants to attack Iran? Obama needs to just ask him straight out....
posted by Skygazer at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012


Tighter! I said TIGHTER!
posted by headnsouth at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


So it looks like Obama is going to go with the "check it out I know stuff" strategy and Romney is going for more of a "I am telling you that I know stuff but I am not going to actually say any of it" thing
posted by rmless at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Spinning uranium? With a magical spinning wheel? Irans' army is going to have nuclear uniforms if we don't stop them.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Nothing Governor Romney just said is true"
posted by ersatz at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


"Nothing Governor Romney just said is true."

That's what we wanted to hear! SAY IT
posted by barnacles at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Nothing Governor Romney has said is true! YAY!
posted by jontyjago at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


ON SNAP

"NOTHING GOVERNOR ROMNEY JUST SAID IS TRUE"
posted by elizardbits at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


10,000 centrifuges!!!!! Not one centrifuge left behind!!!!
posted by theartandsound at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012


I would totally buy tickets to the Apology Tour because that shit is long overdue.

Would totally buy that ticket before the one for 10,000 Centrifuges.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Has anyone else ever taken a bucket of uranium and spun it around? You gotta keep spinnin' that uranium, otherwies it flies out and irradiates the shit out of you.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Whopper! Damn.
posted by janell at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"nothing Governor Romney just said is true"

"biggest whopper"

PLEASE HAVE A VICTORY PARADE WITH PONIES, SIR, LET THERE BE INAUGURATION PONIES
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


Weakness! Just like Jimmy Carter!
posted by homunculus at 6:54 PM on October 22, 2012


NOTHING YOU HAVE SAID IS TRUE
posted by The Whelk at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Tightest sanctions possible! We need to tighten them!!!

Has he been reading 50 Shades of Gray?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


"NOTHING GOVERNOR ROMNEY SAID IS TRUE."

BOO-YA!
posted by Room 641-A at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


jesus god. i think romney thinks that on the first day in office he gets to blow up all the places he doesn't like.
posted by sio42 at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


OH SHIT. Mitt invested in Iran!
posted by jason_steakums at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


How many of them came from Bain?
posted by edgeways at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012


Mmmmm....Whoppers (TM).
posted by blurker at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012


WHOPPER HAHAHA
posted by triggerfinger at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012


You go, Obama. Fact checkers say you are a LIAR!
posted by ericb at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012


WHOPPER. Closest Obama will come to saying "you lie!"
posted by zardoz at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012


we should say 'differently abling' sanctions.
posted by Mister_A at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


WHOPPER

oh yeah
posted by quietalittlewild at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Spinning uranium. Quick, somebody make an animated gif!
posted by SillyShepherd at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012


I THOUGHT THE MILITARY HAD SWARMS OF MILLIONS OF NANOBOATS
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012


We should put centrifuges on our aircraft carriers.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012


"Nothing Governor Romney just said is true"

Since, like, April 2010.
posted by gladly at 6:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Obama: You were still invested in a Chinese oil company working in Iran. Whooff!
posted by Skygazer at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


twirling twirling twirling towards freedom
posted by ninjew at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


‘We also have fewer horses and bayonets!’ of the Day
posted by changeling at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


10,000 Centrifuges is way better in the book than the movie. I thought it lost the plot and just kind of went in circles, personally.
posted by feloniousmonk at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I kind of prefer the 'uhs' to the gathering pauses where you can see the President fighting not to go 'uh'.
posted by winna at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012


Quote from my facebook feed: "Now I why the man in the White House wants to prevent the military from voting." What right-wing meme is this?
posted by waitingtoderail at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh god, he even repeated it as he repeated it.
posted by maryr at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012


If I say it twice, it must be true.
posted by blurker at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012


Has he been reading 50 Shades of Gray?

Behave or Mittens will read 50 Shades of Gray to you as bedtime story.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012


ISRAEL GOT DISSED!
posted by giraffe at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012


Just once, just one time, I want Obama to look at Romney and say "You fucking idiot.....", just one time.
posted by HuronBob at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


That's it. I'm voting for the smart guy.

Mitt's not stupid, he's just venal, powerhungry, arrogant, a little ignorant, and utterly willing to assume any position that will get him higher up the ladder (presumably as long as it doesn't conflict with a loose interpretation of his religion). He's dangerous because he is smart but his intelligence is utterly focussed on his own personal success.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [16 favorites]


"We're four years closer to nuclear Iran" Wait, doesn't that mean they haven't progressed at all? It's been four years.
posted by fungible at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


We could just leave the "Iran problem" to Iran's biggest enemy - Saddam Hussein. Oh, wait ...
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012


HAHA OH MY GOD

LOOKIT MITT PRETENDING HE CARES ABOUT THE JEWS
posted by elizardbits at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Nuclear Iran? Fuck you Mitt, you piece of shit scaremonger.
posted by zardoz at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012


Uhh Mitt? Are you defending the Iraq war?
posted by jason_steakums at 6:56 PM on October 22, 2012


Every four years, we'll ALWAYS be closer to a nuclear Iran, you dumbshit.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


APOLOGY TOUR? FUCK YOU, FLIP!
posted by ericb at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012


"You skipped Isreal," with a very soulful look.
posted by Danf at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012


"First trip I took was to visit our troops"

OH SNAP MUTHAFUCKA!!!!!!!
posted by barnacles at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


NUMBER TWO, REPEATING, GID I HOPE SOMEONE FIRES THE PROGRAMMER WHO DID THIS TS IS REDUNDANT.

I LOVE ISREAL MORE! ME!
posted by The Whelk at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012


We should put centrifuges on our aircraft carriers.
What are these aircraft carriers you speak of? We should have centrifuges mounted on horseback.
posted by Flunkie at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012


Lol America has not dictated other nations. *Cough*
posted by ersatz at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


'oh by the way?' That's the PRESIDENT, you sniveling prig.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012


"If we're going to talk about trips that we've taken..." sick burn.
posted by sallybrown at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Ugh, stop saying "A nuclear Iran"
posted by limeonaire at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012


I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, SO I'M GOING TO WHIP OUT A TRIVIAL SEMANTIC ARGUMENT!
posted by Diagonalize at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Spinning centrifuges" is beginning to sound like some sort of dance move for robots

oh wait he's explaining the "apology tour" which apparently included "dictating to other nations" only, somehow, that's bad, instead of the mysterious FORCES OF FREEDOM that will help free Syria, magically, the way we want it to?
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012


GODWINNED THE DEBATE OMG
posted by elizardbits at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


No pictures yet here. But it exists!
posted by insectosaurus at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"We are 4 years closer to nuclear Iraq."

If Romney had been president, he would have stopped time and those 4 years would never have passed.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


AMERICA HAS NOT DICTATED

ONLY BEEN VERY, VERY STRONG
posted by jinjo at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Did Mitt just forget to explain Obama's Chinese company doing business with Iran hit?
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt -you whining, wheedling, Little Brother Who Can't Play Ball With the Big Guys wet-behind-the-ears-from-hair-dye-huffing motherfucker.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


I don't know why they're even bothering to pretend to ask Bob- he's completely out of the frame.
posted by winna at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"America has not dictated to other nations. It has liberated other nations from dictators." As well as installed a few of our own.
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


YOU HEAR THAT? WHOPPER, YEAH, AS IN: BARRY JUST PULLED BURNERS MADE THE MOTHERFUCKIN BEEF COOK AND SERVED YOU, NYUCKA!

DAMN

damn.
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012


You tell him Bama!!!

I like it when Obama lectures him
posted by triggerfinger at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I LOVE ISREAL MORE

I CAN ACTUALLY PRONOUCE HEBREW WORDS.
posted by The Whelk at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


OMG the one-upsmanship is really annoying on both sides.

I visited Israel!
Oh yeah? Well I visited the troops!
posted by headnsouth at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


You know that sound in Baldur's Gate when you trigger a trap and fireballs start shooting at you?
posted by penduluum at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Obama is now nailing it. Get out of the hyperbolic and tell the personal story. Yes.
posted by meinvt at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Holy shit.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:57 PM on October 22, 2012


someone, get mitt a handi-wipe for his butt
posted by lampshade at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Dammit my son took out the garbage and did his homework and cleaned the bathroom and I've run out of chores so he really does get to use the computer for Minecraft now.
posted by The corpse in the library at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


Romney ... Tight faced smirk, blink, blink, blink ...
posted by ericb at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2012


My favourite 10,000 centrifuges songs is Peace Aircraft Carrier
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Does Mitt Romney know I have a centrifuge at work?
posted by maryr at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Wow. I kind of forgot that there was a moderator.
posted by giraffe at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


LOOKIT MITT PRETENDING HE CARES ABOUT THE JEWS

Or, as he calls them, Gentiles.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Nice job, nailing Mitt for just using Israel as a fundraiser.
posted by Theta States at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I SWEAR I SUCKED OFF FOUR ISRAELI MEN, ONE OF WHOM SMELLED VERY UNUSUAL
posted by Greg Nog at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


WHAT IFFFFFFF
posted by en forme de poire at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2012


Did Romney just refuse to answer the moderator's question? Can you do that??
posted by barnacles at 6:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Hypotheticals hurt Mitt's head.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Yad Vashem and S'derot. Thanks how you do it.
posted by benito.strauss at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


You are the king of hypotheticals mitt you only deal in abstract vagueness
posted by The Whelk at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


that's a bad hypo
WAIT DON'T ASK HIM NEVERMIND
scary things!
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


ANOTHER MODERATOR SCALP!
posted by ersatz at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


mitt looks like he just threw up a little in his mouth. right when the israel bombers question was asked.
posted by sio42 at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012


"Let's not talk hypotheticals -- after all, I'd rather not have to answer that question. Let me answer this other hypothetical question."
posted by cjelli at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


Bob, i'd like to not answer the question if that's alright.
posted by shakespeherian at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Someone keeps kicking the camera tripod aimed at Mitt, no?
posted by obscurator at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012


Wow, Mitt actually had a good answer there.
posted by zardoz at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012


So, Mr. Big Balls Republican doesn't have any idea of how he'd respond when that phonecall comes in the middle of the night? Typical chickenhawk.
posted by wintermind at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Please tell me "four years closer" was in the drinking game.
posted by maryr at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012


uh this debate is ABOUT hypotheticals, jerk

specifically you being the president
posted by ninjew at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Why did I pick "tumult" as my drinking word?
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


He just fired Bob!
posted by O Blitiri at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Eventually all 10,000 centrifuges will spin in sync with each other. I saw it in a thread here the other day.
posted by ceribus peribus at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"I would answer your question but I'd rather tell you what I see in my crystal ball."


Oh Mitt....
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012


When you are losing a debate, just convince everyone they are about to be nuclear bombed
posted by rmless at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh god, there is now going to be a metric buttload of Netanyahu/Romney slash.
posted by Diagonalize at 6:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


It was a stupid question. Point to Romney on that.
posted by Thistledown at 7:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The lines on CNN can even detect Mitt's lying-ness.
posted by lineofsight at 7:00 PM on October 22, 2012


ROMNEY BOT ERROR ERROR ERROR #######2476547 ERROR ERROR ERROR


FAIL
posted by snsranch at 7:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


tumult everywhere
posted by SomaSoda at 7:00 PM on October 22, 2012


I see skies of death.
Bloody roses too.
I see destruction...for me and you.
And I think to myself
What a Romnerful world.
posted by cashman at 7:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


this is just gibberish, right? I have literally no idea what this whole paragraph has been about
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:00 PM on October 22, 2012


When Mitt looks around the world, is he spinning a globe?
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Quick, someone put Lehrer's hair on Schieffer's head!
posted by wierdo at 7:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"I see..."

♪♪ Doctor my eyes... ♪♪
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:00 PM on October 22, 2012


One Ticonderoga class Cruiser and a freighter full of reloads The Navy of 2012 would uttered destroy the Navy of 1916, so of course we don't need as many ships.

FTFY
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 7:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


On the other hand, that one sentence was the only thing he's said I agree with. Let's not play pretend games with what would be an unimaginably horrible possibility on national television.
posted by winna at 7:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Ronny Romney really is not making any sense
posted by jontyjago at 7:01 PM on October 22, 2012


I never in my life thought there'd be a Republican candidate for President that would make George W. Bush look smart by comparison. Seriously. This is unbelievable.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


That's Democratic, shithead.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 7:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


I believe it's pronounced Nuke-ya-ler
posted by Mister_A at 7:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


OULIPO ROMNEY STYLE
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


"Govern, the problem is ... you've been all over the map. I'm pleased you're endorsing OUR policies, ... but just a few years ago you said that's something you'd never do."

SAY "FLIP FLOP" the GOP hates that

SAY IT SAY IT SAY IT
posted by barnacles at 7:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Mitt is full of facts but can't really put them together to draw a sensible conclusion. You would almost think he had memorized a bunch of talking points. JUST LIKE ANOTHER PERSON I KNOW.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney's grasping like a drowning man now after not wanting to answer that "hypothetical."
posted by Skygazer at 7:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Welp. I've run out of the overly expensive special almond toffee I was using in place of alcohol.

Now what :(
posted by jinjo at 7:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


ICE BUUUUUUURN
posted by The Whelk at 7:01 PM on October 22, 2012


LOOKIT MITT PRETENDING HE CARES ABOUT THE JEWS

They are actually all secretly Mormons, they were all baptized in absentia deep in an underground bunker below the mother church in Salt Lake.
posted by sammyo at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Here, Mitt, meet my new friends FLIP and FLOP."
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012


You know, I really wish someone would start talking about Soft Power and what we can do to increase the USA's Soft Power.

I find it insanely sad that all these debates over foreign policy degenerate to discussions about military power.

Here's a hint to all you politicos. The best way to win a conflict is to make the other side not even want to fight you.
posted by bswinburn at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


in the same way.......[insert stupid mitt promise here]
in the same way.......[insert stupid mitt promise here]
in the same way.......[insert stupid mitt promise here]
in the same way.......[insert stupid mitt promise here]

good one mr pres
posted by lampshade at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'd like to see the president finally roll his eyes and say, "For crying out loud, I missed the Bears game for this clown?"
posted by Ice Cream Socialist at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Welp. I've run out of the overly expensive special almond toffee I was using in place of alcohol.

Now what :(

Alcohol.
posted by ersatz at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


‎"But I think Gov. Romney maybe hasn't spent enough time looking at how our military works," said Obama. "You mention the Navy, and how we have fewer ships than 1916. We also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military has changed. We have aircraft carriers; we have ships that go underwater; nuclear submarines."

"And so the question is not a game of 'Battleship' where we're counting ships."
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Schieffer is such an amateur, even Romney saw that "gotcha" question coming from a mile away
posted by any major dude at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012


He remembered the name of the 4-year-old. Damn.
posted by mdonley at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012


Please no 911 stuff. Argh
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012


PINK BRACELET OH HEY
posted by sallybrown at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012


I didn't want to spend too much time on it, but a quick perusal of Wikipedia indicates that a lot of the capital ships in the 1917 fleet (maybe the majority of it? who knows what is specifically being referenced) were participants in the Great White Fleet's circumnavigation in 1907. Oh, Mitt, you miss when the Navy was the Great White Fleet?
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney - Ryan: Leading the Charge!
posted by changeling at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Mitt looks queasey and green.
posted by The Whelk at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Now what :(

We comfort you.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Did Mr. Romney just learn the word "tumult" (4 times already)?
posted by infinite intimation at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012


As romney watches Obama as he speaks, I can see him thinking... "don't let them see it in my eyes, please, don't let them see it...."
posted by HuronBob at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


blah blah 9/11 we will nevar forget zzzzzz
posted by zardoz at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012


Somehow I think this is where Obama wins
posted by hellojed at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


ahhhh... a touching story of bloodlust and revenge

"I looked into that litle girl's eyes and told her Bin Laden couldn't sit in his musty cave anymore"
posted by Greg Nog at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


HAHA SHUT UP MITTENS
posted by elizardbits at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Give Mitt a chance.
posted by ersatz at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012


9/11!!

*Drink!*
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Good for you, Bob!
posted by HuronBob at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh shit, OBAMA'S ON FIRE!
Who'd have thought he'd rock it on 9/11?
posted by Theta States at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Keep interrupting Mitt! KEEP IT UP
posted by triggerfinger at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012


THANK YOU BOB SHUT HIM DOWN
posted by twist my arm at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Was that ... wait a minute. Was that moderation? Fascinating!
posted by barnacles at 7:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Romney, please don't laugh ever again.

heh heh heh heh heh heh heh...
posted by giraffe at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


SHOT DOOOOOWN IN A BLAZE OF BORING
posted by elizardbits at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


Moderator smackdown!
posted by dirigibleman at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012


OH MY GOD HE'S THE MODERATOR HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS, YOU MEWLING GIT.
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


"Yeah, you did it first pal."
posted by The Hamms Bear at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012


With respect sir, you had laid out quite a, uh, program there...
posted by Pudhoho at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Schieffer finally laying down the law.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh, Bob actually did some moderating?
posted by Panjandrum at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh God, tears to eyes at that story.
posted by limeonaire at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012


Ha Mitt is whining to the ref. The only guy who did that when he was winning was McEnroe, and you're no McEnroe, Mitt!
posted by Mister_A at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney just ASKED the moderator for something and he didn't get it. He's seriously, seriously losing his steam. Deflation is imminent.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Mitt is so chastened now he's actually listening to the moderator.
posted by wierdo at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Alright Bob, shut him down nicely.
posted by zardoz at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012


so THAT's what moderation looks like.
posted by sio42 at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


WHAT ABOUT THE FUCKING DRONES AND KILL LISTS BOB YOU FUCKING TOOL
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 7:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


I know I refused to answer the question earlier but that's not fair
posted by shakespeherian at 7:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Bob did a pretty good job of shutting Mittens down there when he started the whole "But Whaaaa I wanna disagree with the black man!"
posted by dejah420 at 7:05 PM on October 22, 2012


2014? I thought withdrawal deadlines were bad?
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Obama needs to ask Romney just a one word question.

"How?"
posted by fullerine at 7:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Hold on, did he adopt Obama's timetable? That first debate wasn't that long ago, Mitt. A few people might have seen both of them.
posted by ersatz at 7:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


WTF when he's president we'll be out by 2014? Just the last debate he was saying we shouldn't give a timeline! What a big mistake it is to give a timeline!

Jesus Christ they say this about every politician, but this guy really is a flip-flopper.
posted by Flunkie at 7:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


a can someone just page me when Romney says something insane that results in a meme this wine box is nearly gone
posted by The Whelk at 7:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Clearly Pakistan has better centrifuges.
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


oh I see, Pakistan is important because they have warheads

subtle, so very subtle
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012


"All over the map" is also where Romney's money is.
(stolen from @juliasegal)
posted by Flashman at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Man Mitt is all about being helpful and convincing people without sticking guns in their faces!
posted by Mister_A at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney will cry after this. He will cry in private & not take visitors.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt is pulling out the flame topics all over.


If he was making a FPP, it would be deleted for sure.
posted by lampshade at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


The CNN running tally of how undecided men and woman are trending seems to be pretty luke-warm on Romney's comments -- especially the women.
posted by blurker at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012


Wai that wasn't even an answer it was just words
posted by The Whelk at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


Pakistan is a nuclear power, numbnuts.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012


a can someone just page me when Romney says something insane that results in a meme this wine box is nearly gone

BOXES FULL OF WINE
posted by mudpuppie at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


I think Mitt forgot about another certain large, nuclear power threatened by a destabilized Pakistan.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I bet Ann wishes she could barf in her purse.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney is blurting out facts he has memorized but clearly does not understand and cannot contextualize
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


WHAT ABOUT THE FUCKING DRONES AND KILL LISTS BOB YOU FUCKING TOOL

Sir, we're going to ask you wait outside in the alley with Ms. Stein.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


I withdraw my previous criticism of Bob Schieffer, someone just got slapped at the Country Club dinner.

Mitt. Mitt got slapped. Ooooh that felt good to watch.
posted by Kattullus at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Heh, "pulling out responsibly".
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


STOP LOORKING DIRECTLY AT THE CAMERA MITT YOU CREEP ME OUT
posted by The Whelk at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I can't stand listening to Romney. He's like a precocious child earnestly trying to teach something to you, completely oblivious to a) his own ignorance and b) the fact that you already know the subject matter much, much better than him.
posted by zardoz at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [17 favorites]


I think Mitt forgot about another certain large, nuclear power threatened by a destabilized Pakistan.

France?
posted by maryr at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


also, didn't Ryan totally slam the local Afghani security forces during the VP debate? did I imagine that Biden-smackdown in the general Glory of Biden chuckles?
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I kind of want to see some punches thrown. Does that make me a bad person?
posted by giraffe at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012


Binder women! To the freedom voices! The boxes of wine! The centrifugii!!!!!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


This debate would have been more informative if Albert Brooks' character from Broadcast News was the moderator.
posted by any major dude at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm trying to play along like it's Jeopardy, but it's not working. Hmmmm.
posted by iamkimiam at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012


"... time to do some nation-building here at home."

Yes!!! Do!
posted by barnacles at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Infrastructure, YES!
posted by headnsouth at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


*Devastated

"Decimated," Mr. President, means you only killed 10% of them.

/language&historynerd
posted by Panjandrum at 7:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Whoa, Romney almost threw up
posted by goHermGO at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


RUSSIA HAS NUCULAR BOMBS!
posted by Mister_A at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012


Dear God?!! We gave you guys in the western colonies the permission to rule yourselves for a while, like, 236 years ago now (which in terms of our history isn't very long), and this is the best you can do? What is coming out of the mouth of Herman Munster's slightly prettier brother?

You guys are welcome back to the mother country at any time but, please, for the love of Cthulhu, try and find a better class of political opponent. Seriously. Rick Perry was somehow worse than this?!
posted by Wordshore at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


I keep wanting to tell Mitt to stay down so the brutal pummeling will stop. Stay down, Mitt! Stay down!
posted by Justinian at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh hey, name check PTSD by name, good for the veteran vote

Oh crap wow we have another box oh no
posted by The Whelk at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Definitely some intratracheal vomiting happening on the left side of my screen.
posted by obscurator at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


romney literally looks like he's about to shit his pants
posted by JimBennett at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012


if you wait to pull out you have to stick around to take care of whiny things
posted by ninjew at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012


Good mention of veteran care.
posted by zardoz at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012


I hate the fact that I'm watching this and hearing Romney sound like a total fool but afterward, the networks will still call it a draw.
posted by octothorpe at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [23 favorites]


I was waiting for an answer from Romney on what he would do if Afghanistan was not strong enough to withdraw troops. I figured this would be a tough question for him because he had to go first and could not parrot the Prez. I was right. It was hard. Gobbledy-gook blah blah blah Pakistan! blah blah blah.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt just rolled his eyes when Obama mentioned the First Lady. How rude!
posted by dejah420 at 7:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


oh god he said obama bin laden
posted by elizardbits at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


"Obama's Bin Laden"?
posted by jason_steakums at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oh bob.
posted by cashman at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


he just said "obama bin laden"
posted by koeselitz at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Good lord, did he just say Obama Bin Laden?! I wasn't paying attention.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012


"Obama bin Laden"! Quite a slip of the tongue there Mr. Schieffer.
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney is winning. He's not winning to a liberal ear because the guy is a fucking idiot but he's winning. Dog whistle scaremongering with the whole "four years closer to a nuclear Iran".

yeah....he is holding enough to keep his supporters inside the bubble.
posted by lampshade at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Obama's bin Laden."
Oops.
posted by obscurator at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I know you're feeling sick Romney lying that much makes me feel ill too
posted by The Whelk at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012


People on the news were saying that this debate would be right in Obama's wheelhouse. I guess they were right!
posted by blurker at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Binder women! To the freedom voices! The boxes of wine! The centrifugii!!!!!

The 100 nuclear weapons! Connie Network! Molly of the Bayonets!
posted by Mister_A at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Shorter Romney: Obama is rocking it in Afghanistan.
posted by humanfont at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Pretty sure it was "Obama's bin Laden", which was. . .weird.
posted by Ndwright at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012


You guys are welcome back to the mother country at any time

You all don't want me - I have run the points program like forty times and no matter what I don't have enough to move.
posted by winna at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I kind of want to see some punches thrown. Does that make me a bad person?
posted by giraffe at 7:07 PM on October 22 [+] [!]



No but it might make you Tagg Romney
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


No we shouldn't divorce Pakistan, because then we'd have to give them half of our military.
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


Romney is winning. He's not winning to a liberal ear because the guy is a fucking idiot but he's winning. Dog whistle scaremongering with the whole "four years closer to a nuclear Iran". Being confident about winning the election. Making Obama chase his tail a lot of the time. He's an idiot but he's projecting better.

FWIW, CNN's undecided Florida voter trendlines are loving just about everything Obama says while lukewarm-to-negative on Romney's answers.
posted by Rhaomi at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Why is N. Dakota the only state voting for foreign policy topic: the war in Afghanistan?
posted by Surfurrus at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012


So if a nationa has lots of nuclear weapons, you don't divorce them.

So maybe Iran is trying to build nukes just because it wants a relationship! That's sweet!
posted by barnacles at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Women of CNN Fl. seem to be strongly favourable to President Obama (I seriously hope everyone at CNN et al. who use language that sounds like "courting language", "turned on/off" is just never given a serious microphone again).

(President Obama compared Mr. Romney to Mr. Biden on their "positions" regarding what should have been done to get Osama Bin Laden [clever framing])
posted by infinite intimation at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Grab your hands!
posted by aspo at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012


So ten minutes ago he says that we don't want Pakistan to become a failed state, and then says that the civilian government there doesn't actually...work?
posted by mdonley at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012


In four years Pakistan will have four more years of nuclear capability under its belt.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Did I mention nuclear terrorist weapon hand??? DID I????
posted by Mister_A at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012


What is this scifi shit Romney is writing about Pakistan?
posted by shakespeherian at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


This debate would have been more informative if Albert Brooks' character from Broadcast News was the moderator.

Along with the sweating and the defective set!
posted by Pudhoho at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Wait why are we talking about Pakistan as a future failed state? That's...that's kind of unseemly, really.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


#horsesandbayonets now trending.. and @HorsesBayonette just got established....
posted by Skygazer at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012


"Decimated," Mr. President, means you only killed 10% of them.

It really doesn't, and hasn't for a long time.
posted by Dasein at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


"Pakistan is on it's way to doubling its number of nuclear weapons someday."

Pretty true for every country, no?
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney sounds like he's reading a children's encyclopedia on Pakistan.
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


12 Days of Christmas, 2012 Election edition: 10,000 centrifuges, 100 nuclear weapons, 5 simple steps, and a horse holding a bayonet...
posted by theartandsound at 7:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


"No, we want to stay friends with them, even though I'm clearly terrified either way" -How Romney sounded just now
posted by limeonaire at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama gave a death stare when Romney said he doesn't blame the administration for the strained relations with Pakistan.
posted by ersatz at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012


DRONES!
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Trial separation with Pakistan.
posted by ceribus peribus at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm going to lie down and bench pres this box of wine while slowly emptying it via straw
posted by The Whelk at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


Is it bad that I'm feeling sorry for Romney right now? Dude does not look well.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


DRONES
posted by rebent at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012


HOLY SHIT DRONES QUESTION

BOB I LOVE YOU
posted by Greg Nog at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Mother Jones: Romney invested his personal money—nearly $77,000—in a Chinese oil company that was doing business with Iran http://is.gd/mH5TwJ #debates
posted by changeling at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


DRONES
posted by triggerfinger at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012


My one conservative Facebook commentator has been very excited by Mitt's performance. We really do live in different worlds.
posted by meinvt at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I keep waiting for Mitt to realize he's failing his Voight-Kampff test and jump the desk.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


EVERYBODY LIKES DRONES

HUGE MASS OF BEES FOR PRESIDENT.
posted by The Whelk at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


I am so tired of Romney deciding who is civil and who is not. Who is moral and who is not.

Who died and appointed him god? What arrogance.
posted by lampshade at 7:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"killing bad guys"... is that the second time? WTF!
posted by HuronBob at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Drones are being used in drone strikes." No, really?
posted by octothorpe at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012


I love drones and I love droning on and on and on
posted by rmless at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Any and all means necessary to take out people who pose a threat to us
posted by jinjo at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Seriously, we were not talking about Iran.
posted by maryr at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Is Iran closer to Obam? Yes.
posted by Dr. Send at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ah, yes. Islamic extremism.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012


TUMOOLTIPASS
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [16 favorites]


What does that answer have to do with drones? Drones was the question.
posted by dejah420 at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012


I think someone told Mitt that "tumult" is part of the drinking game.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Damn I love a good tumult!
posted by quietalittlewild at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney is winning.

Pasted from The National Review's The Corner:
JonahNRO Why won't Obama correct Schieffer's pronunciation? "Bob, it's pronounced POCK-ee-STahn.
12 seconds ago · reply · retweet · favorite

jimgeraghty Is it time for us to divorce Pakistan? I dunno, some Pakistanis have some pretty extreme views on marital laws.
25 seconds ago · reply · retweet · favorite

Mario_A_Loyola Obama's failure has been to manage crises piecemeal, without strategy.The way to defeat his argument is NOT piecemeal, but with strategy.
about 1 minute ago · reply · retweet · favorite

jimgeraghty Obama just wanted to end the war in Afghanistan so that veterans could get jobs at home in our thriving American economy.
about 1 minute ago · reply · retweet · favorite

Mario_A_Loyola There he goes again: Obama using "we" when he means "the Bush administration."
2 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

RichLowry so did romney just endorse taking all u.s. troops out of afghanistan after 2014?
3 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

JonahNRO I hope the Obama bus has all-wheel drive to climb over all the bodies he's thrown under it.
3 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

JonahNRO The way Obama stares at Romney, it's like he's thinking: "Why won't Romney burst into flames? Why!?"
4 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

JonahNRO Shorter Obama: My first presidential decision was to pick a veep as wrong as Mitt Romney.
5 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

robertcostaNRO That was Schieffer as TV veteran right there: No, sir, the clock is running and we must move to C Block
5 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

kathrynlopez joe biden=mitt romney?
6 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
It reads more like each side is praising their chosen horse, which is no surprise.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


> "Decimated," Mr. President, means you only killed 10% of them.

>> It really doesn't, and hasn't for a long time.

Meet my legion at the playground after school. We'll settle this.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


I do love the word "tumult".
posted by Theta States at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Robot Romney supports drones...surprise.
posted by limeonaire at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm pretty sure Romney's Word of the Day calendar landed on "tumult" today.
posted by bondcliff at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


ROMNEY ENDORSES OBAMA!
posted by hydrophonic at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


"It's not a tumult." FFS.
posted by obscurator at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Tumult again. Drink!!!
posted by dry white toast at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Tumult x 4!
posted by Mapes at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012


So maybe Iran is trying to build nukes just because it wants a relationship! That's sweet!

I know this is a joke, but once you have nukes you're like the Ohio of the world.
posted by oneirodynia at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


does he just see this as a movie with HORSES AND BAYONETS vs. SPINNING CENTRIFUGES, set in some sort of benighted land with Roadrunner ACME BOMBS strewn about?
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012


no drones :(
posted by rebent at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Lincecum's warming up! Giants 7-0.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Romney says "Terror" like Bush II did: "Terr".
posted by vibrotronica at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN
posted by ninjew at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012


i know i'm biased but i really, really have a hard time following whatever mitt says. like it really doesn't make sense. i think i finally understand that incoherent doesn't mean mumbling or saying purple dog bligppy blooop. it means saying words but not making sense.

he makes my head hurt and i'm just trying to be fair and actually understand him. and i can't.
posted by sio42 at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


Tumult!
posted by Wordwoman at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama, Romney. Please. Oh, please. There are only minutes left. Do not mention 'Honey Boo-boo.' Otherwise, I will be required to take shots of rye, vodka and Jägermeister.
posted by ericb at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Tunisia!
posted by maryr at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012


I wonder how bad it makes him, and his harder core supporters, feel when Mitt says, straight out, that "The President was right to do that."

I wonder if he loses some small, small, small, microscopic portion of his voter base each time that happens
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012


meinvt, only one conservative on your fb feed? Lucky.
posted by headnsouth at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt: "Some of my best friends are drones."
posted by goHermGO at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I suspect that "killing bad guys" is actually romney's anti-bullying program in our schools....
posted by HuronBob at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012


Me!
posted by homunculus at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Man, look at my president observing that Romney dipshit with his steely eyes, like a hawk waiting for the moment when he swoops in, snaps Romney's spine and gobbles him up like a little weasel....
posted by Skygazer at 7:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Definitely a Rorschach debate. No real zingers, no real callouts. Or have I missed them????
posted by zardoz at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


[Folks, as per usual, you need to be able to make your comments without the ironic racism/sexism/hurfdurf stuff. Thanks.]
posted by jessamyn at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm glad Obama is talking about soft power.
posted by ersatz at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Everytime Obama hears a lie, he gives Shieffer a knowing look.
posted by Bokmakierie at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012


Ugh, can we stop calling in the homeland?
posted by maryr at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Romney said The President was right. The demos should run that as an ad over and over again.
posted by humanfont at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012


What does that answer have to do with drones? Drones was the question.

To be fair, he did start off with (paraphrased) "I agree with Obama's drone program and I think it's working."
posted by cjelli at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


China! C'mon, Obama, go for the jugular. CHOMP
posted by barnacles at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012


TALK TALK TALK TALK AROUND THE POINT
posted by The Whelk at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Come on Sensata!
posted by cashman at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Tuning out the tumult in Tunisia together!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012


"now... say something xenophobic about the celestials... anything you like, just get crazy with it"
posted by Greg Nog at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Very telling when Mitt gets a "YES PLEASE BOB!" smile when Bob says "Let's go to the next issue.", instead of arguing for more time to talk.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


@VanityFair
Romney: Israel NOTICED that you didn't visit this year, Barack. Israel will not be sending you $36 for Chanukah.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


Who's hurfdurfing? C'mon, people, quit with the hurfdurfing!
posted by blurker at 7:15 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney has never said the words women, respect, and dignity in the same sentence.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:15 PM on October 22, 2012


Definitely a Rorschach debate.

Obama dropped Mitt down a rhetorical elevator shaft?
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 7:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


I like a good brouhaha myself.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


mudpuppie: "Lincecum's warming up! Giants 7-0."

Flagged as booooo. Go Tigers!

posted by fireoyster at 7:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Why does China have to play by the same rules as everyone else? I mean, it's not like the US plays by the same rules as everyone else.
posted by barnacles at 7:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Ugh, can we stop calling in the homeland?

Okay, "Fatherland" it is.
posted by benito.strauss at 7:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


How many times has Romney said he agreed with and/or supported one of Obama's policies or proposals?
posted by Room 641-A at 7:15 PM on October 22, 2012


TALK TALK TALK TALK AROUND THE POINT

I see what song you're doing there.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:16 PM on October 22, 2012


@JohnKerry: Mitt apparently had no binders on foreign policy
posted by changeling at 7:16 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The greatest future threat to the national security of this country is HURFDURFING.
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:16 PM on October 22, 2012


TALK TALK TALK TALK AROUND THE POINT

+2 bardic song bonus.
posted by ersatz at 7:16 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


My one conservative Facebook commentator has been very excited by Mitt's performance. We really do live in different worlds.

Of course. Mitt's a salesman. He's not flip-flopping, he's resetting the merchandise. These people are excited by sizzle, not substance. And certainly not by facts.
posted by Pudhoho at 7:16 PM on October 22, 2012


MITT LOOKING PRETTY MADE UP TONIGHT

IT'S NO TELEMUNDO THOUGH
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 7:16 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


The 9/11 4-year old story was better than the tire one, Mr. President.
posted by Diagonalize at 7:16 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


The World According to the 2012 Foreign Policy Debate
posted by changeling at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Why does the US have to be the best at everything? I'm semi-serious here.
posted by giraffe at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


More from the The Corner:
jimgeraghty Wish these guys had just played Risk, although Obama would complain about all the bayonets and horses.
3 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

RichLowry how many times has romney said the president is right tonight? i thought he shld try to be a little above the fray, but this is a bit much
3 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

JonahNRO Not a great Romney answer on drones. Even from hawkish perspective, there's a downside politically and also they hamper intel gathering.
3 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

charlescwcooke Again, when Obama really doesn't like what Romney's saying, he looks at the moderator. It's so odd.
3 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite
Mitt isn't making many friends.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney just said that government doesn't make businesses successful and make them hire people?

What has his entire platform he's been running on based on then?
posted by hippybear at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Government doesn't create jobs! I will create 12 million jobs!
posted by droomoord at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


China is just like us guys!
posted by Room 641-A at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


wait China wants peace and hates protectionism? this is breaking news!
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Government investments caused the company I worked for to grow. #truestory
posted by maryr at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


BUSINESSESS OCCUR IN NATURE NATURALLY LIKE FUNGUS SPORES GOVERMENTS ARE EVIL MAKE ME THE HEAD OF GOVERMENT CAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT.
posted by The Whelk at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


A nuclear Iran? Greatest threat? Wrong again.
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012


What do you perceive to be the greatest future threat to national security of this country?

Obviously the reformation of the Spanish Armada - Mitt Romney
posted by any major dude at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


What - no DONNYBROOK, DUST-UP, FRACAS, or A BRIEF SCUFFLE ENSUED supporters here? For shame, you rounders!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


ROMNEY IS GOING INTO MADLIB MODE

"UH, BUSINESSES ARE NOT GROWN BY GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE OF THE THREAT OF A NUCLEAR IRAN"
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


LET'S TALK ABOUT CHINA
posted by shakespeherian at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012


He's jumping in to answer the question. Now he's talking about China. Now China's jobs... OH FUCK !! ECONOMY. NOT. STRONG.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012


"We can be a partner with China." Give them our jobs and such.
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:17 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama: "we have to ensure that we're Takin' Care of Business here at home".

Obama is a secret Canadian.
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:18 PM on October 22, 2012


So now China is our partner and we're not going to label them currency manipulators?

Does he realize that some of us watched the other debate?
posted by winna at 7:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


Metafilter: various forms of chaos.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


That's a weird change on China.
posted by Quonab at 7:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


China is human-farming.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:18 PM on October 22, 2012


Gee, China holds a sixteenth of our debt. That's a mighty large portion, Mitt.
posted by wierdo at 7:18 PM on October 22, 2012


After this debate, the Gallup poll will be like 92 to 7 in favor of Romney, but only because they oversample from Romney's NUCLEAR family
posted by King Bee at 7:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


78 minutes so far, and astonishingly neither of them have stopped for a nice cup of tea yet. No wonder everyone looks jaded.
posted by Wordshore at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm bored I need a seriously set the desk on fire moment or I'm just going to comb my new blonde hair.

AAAAHAHAH devalued currency I'm so sorry liver currency manipulator oh god no I will die stop
posted by The Whelk at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012


stavrosthewonderchicken: "I like a good brouhaha myself."

As do I, but all Mittens is giving us is falderal. I feel hornswoggled.
posted by dejah420 at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


BECAUSE YOU SHIPPED JOBS TO CHINA IDIOT. that's why you saw people lose jobs.
posted by sio42 at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Currency manipulation! Drink.
posted by mdonley at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012


China is free and open!

But we lose jobs!

Tariffs!

Currency manipulator!

guys no one tell Bain about this, okay, I'll make it up to them
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012


ACTUAL ROMNEY QUOTE: "I'VE WATCHED YEAR-IN AND YEAR-OUT AS COMPANIES HAVE SHUT DOWN AND PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS"

YES YOU HAVE MITT
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [39 favorites]


wait but last time you said you'd crack down on China so was that your answer or what
posted by ninjew at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney talking about america losing jobs because China is just so wtf I don't even
posted by triggerfinger at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Romney will have a full day 1 if he's elected Godpleaseno
posted by ersatz at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oooh, the labeling! How, um...useless!
posted by blurker at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh I spoke too soon - they ARE still currency manipulators.

But somehow we're going to be partners with them? And now Bob points this out. Thanks for waking up for a minute, chief!
posted by winna at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012


Well it's no broadswords in a pit
posted by edgeways at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012


I will label them a currency manipulator. Then I will insist that they have to pay workers less or I won't send them any more stuff to make.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012


So essentially the Chinese are like modern-day Gremlins? *head explodes*
posted by mynameisluka at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"THEY" "THEY" "THEY"
posted by lineofsight at 7:19 PM on October 22, 2012


Mitt stop I have to work tomorrow noooooooo
posted by The Whelk at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012


THERE IS A CYLON TRADE WAR
posted by oulipian at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012


WE CAN'T SEE YOUR HANDS!
posted by Theta States at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012


Bob has just skipped Obama and started debating Mitt himself.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


YES CALL HIM OUT, BOB
posted by ninjew at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012


East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94: "ACTUAL ROMNEY QUOTE: "I'VE WATCHED YEAR-IN AND YEAR-OUT AS COMPANIES HAVE SHUT DOWN AND PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS"


s/watched/supervised/g
posted by mullingitover at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Repeat yourself! Repeat repeat!
posted by aspo at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012


THIS is the Sensata moment.
posted by obscurator at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012


YES YOU HAVE MITT

It's the final debate, I hope Obama calls him on this.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama's look when Romney's speaking is priceless.
posted by ersatz at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


oh no our projector went out at "they sell us this much every year" etc. were there hand motions? or...?
posted by changeling at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012


This much? This much?
posted by zardoz at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh, THIS much versus THIS much, now I see, Mitt!
posted by sallybrown at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012


I AM SO HAPPY THE DEBATE HAPPENS ON CAPSLOCK DAY!!!
posted by Theta States at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


As do I, but all Mittens is giving us is falderal. I feel hornswoggled.

It's a fine kerfuffle, but I was hoping for more of a dustup.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


oh Romney, valve-interest stories are not the same as human-interest stories

I'm sorry but robots aren't human
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


OH SNAP!!!
posted by barnacles at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012


Pick a stance on China and stick with it, dude. They watch these debates, too.
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 7:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Is it me or did Romney just get really emotional when he said: "They're stealing our intellectual property." I've been joking for years that Mitt's a robot, but that made me actually think for a second that he's actually a computer. Who breaks up when he thinks about lost intellectual property?
posted by Kattullus at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Bob Schieffer keeps letting Mitt double dip by asking him follow ups to his two minute statements.
posted by yoink at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


He just called him out on Bain!
posted by ersatz at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"...we have to say to our thieving, lying, manipulating friends in China..."
posted by iamkimiam at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh, I give up.
posted by blurker at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


There it is, he called him. I hoped he was holding this hole card.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012


WELCOME TO SNAPSVILLE, POPULATION: SOETORO
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012


"Trade War"?

Oh god The Phantom Menace was bad the first time guys

GUYS
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


VALVES. Drink!
posted by zardoz at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


YOU SHIPPED JOBS OVERSEAS FUCK YEAH OBAMA
posted by triggerfinger at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"You should know!"

BOO-YA!
posted by Room 641-A at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012


oh no our projector went out at "they sell us this much every year" etc. were there hand motions? or...?

yup, looked like he was bout to tally his bananas.

DAYLIGHT COME AND WE WANNA GO HOME
posted by winna at 7:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Bob has just skipped Obama and started debating Mitt himself.

Wounded wildebeest and all that.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:23 PM on October 22, 2012


SEN

SA


TA



SEN-SA-TA!!


#BAINPORT NOW!!
posted by Skygazer at 7:23 PM on October 22, 2012


You're attacking me! Stop attacking me!
posted by obvious at 7:23 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Son of Detroit. Detroit Mitt City woo!
posted by ersatz at 7:23 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"My dad was head of a car company." Way to bond with the common Rust Belt voter there, Mitt.
posted by maryr at 7:23 PM on October 22, 2012 [16 favorites]


I hope Chris Matthews has an EMT close by.
posted by Room 641-A at 7:23 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


DETROIT!
posted by HuronBob at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012


you actually wanted the auto industry to go bankrupt

that's what you did

they went through a managed bankruptcy

that's what they did

how are your pants not on fire?
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney: Bama's bein mean to me waaaaahhhhh
posted by triggerfinger at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012


THIS. CAN'T. GO ON he said, with passion in his voice, for the first time, about counterfeit faucets or something
posted by jinjo at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


THEY ARE UNDER OUR BEDS

THEY ARE GLOWERING AT OUR DAUGHTERS

CHINA
posted by en forme de poire at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


not attacking you, attacking your policies Mitty. No ad-hom here.
posted by exlotuseater at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


oh my god watching him get caught in lie after lie after lie

immense boner
posted by elizardbits at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


My dad was head of a car company ~~~~~side smirk~~~~ooo you said car and I am the son of a car.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Sarah Silverman ‏@SarahKSilverman
It looks like @mittromney's whole head is made out of pussy skin #compliment
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Check the record!
posted by rmless at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012


LIEBOT ENGAGE!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012


Wordshore: 78 minutes so far, and astonishingly neither of them have stopped for a nice cup of tea yet. No wonder everyone looks jaded.

One of the nice things about watching the debate on Al Jazeera is that you get updates on cricket scores scrolling by on that distracting little bar all news channels must have these days.
posted by Kattullus at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


How can you provide a guarantee while you take a company through bankruptcy? Wouldn't that guarantee be an asset?
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama took the shot when he saw Romney open up the "exporting jobs to China" avenue.
posted by vibrotronica at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


(Matt, how's the server holding up here?....)
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Let's check the record. People in Detroit don't forget."

That's fucking right!
posted by HuronBob at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


Y'all broke my internet.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:24 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney sweating. "I would never do anything to hurt Detroit."

Obama: Let's check the record.
posted by Skygazer at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


So Romney thinks the private sector should have gotten a no-lose deal to finance the GM bankruptcy, rather than the public who actually put up the money seeing the profit?
posted by wierdo at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"The people of Detroit don't forget!"

nice.
posted by Theta States at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012


SEN-SA-TA!!

Inside Bain's Chinese Sensata Factories, Where Workers Put in 12-Hour Days for $.99-$1.35 an Hour
posted by homunculus at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Where's Candy Crowley when you need her?
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


hot damn i just yelled yes yes yes! like i was at a football game when Obama said "yes you ARE familiar with china jobs etc."

that was AWESOME
posted by sio42 at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"I'm still speaking." That's how we know you're lying.
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


"I'm still speaking!"

Oh, you dick.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


DETROIT DONT FORGET!
posted by zardoz at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012


Research is great? #PhatGrants4Life
posted by wintermind at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm booting up the Springsteen, right now...
posted by HuronBob at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Investing in companies?! But.. aren't companies people? I am so confused.
posted by giraffe at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012


Finally we agree! RESEARCH IS GREAT! I'M STILL SPEAKING!
posted by mynameisluka at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


haha it's probably news to every R&D department that they don't do research! only academics do research! only government money is research!
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Solyndra!
posted by octothorpe at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012


ROM-BOT IS OUT OF CONTROL BZZZ>..BZZZTT...CRACKLE>>>>ZAP...PING!!
posted by Skygazer at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012


He would have made them go through bankruptcy so that they'd lower their costs, but then says he won't export jobs. Where the hell does he think the lower costs are going to come from if not from mass layoffs?
posted by smirkette at 7:25 PM on October 22, 2012


Stop getting slightly interesting in yur final moments debates I wanna go back to being too drunk for a Monday and reading fan fiction.

HIW DIES IT MAKE IT LESS LIKELY NOTHING CAN YOU SUPPORT A SINGLE ASSERTION WITH AN ACTUAL FACT OR NUMBER
posted by The Whelk at 7:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


RESEARCH IS GREAT
posted by thirteenkiller at 7:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I love how Romney is all for investing in basic research i.e. the costly bit, but wants private companies to take advantage of it afterwards.
posted by ersatz at 7:26 PM on October 22, 2012


"I'm still speaking."

Second term, Day 1: Drone strike on Mitt.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 7:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Anyone know what the Romneys drive?
posted by Thistledown at 7:26 PM on October 22, 2012


Now Obama needs to say NOW I'M TALKING
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


so wait i thought the government didn't create jobs

LAUGH IN HIS FACE
posted by ninjew at 7:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The Interrupting Cow has arrived.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Anyone know what the Romneys drive?

Drive? What are they, farmers?
posted by jason_steakums at 7:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [19 favorites]


"Let's check that."

Candy? Where are you and your real-time fact-checking mojo?
posted by Superplin at 7:26 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


He would have made them go through bankruptcy so that they'd lower their costs, but then says he won't export jobs. Where the hell does he think the lower costs are going to come from if not from mass layoffs?

That and breaking the pension promises given to the generations of employees who worked at those companies and depend on those pensions.
posted by winna at 7:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


government money is makin' it rain for research
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"airbrush history" = "lie like a rug"
posted by Ice Cream Socialist at 7:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


5 minutes left.......

well this event was pretty stupid. romney is at a his flail threshold, but its pretty much too late. Unless Obama gets a major zinger in there its just going to be a draw weighted toward Obama.
posted by lampshade at 7:27 PM on October 22, 2012


Ok let's end this. Isn't it time for closing now?
posted by rmless at 7:27 PM on October 22, 2012


Bury me on a pyre of spent wine boxes tell them I was a good man
posted by The Whelk at 7:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [21 favorites]


And Romney has rebooted.
posted by fzx101 at 7:27 PM on October 22, 2012


YES MITTENS

PEOPLE WHO YOU FIRED ARE STILL LOOKING FOR JOBS

GTFO
posted by elizardbits at 7:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Bob: "Actually Governor Romney you did say 'Let Detroit Go Bankrupt."
posted by Flashman at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012


"The policies of the last four years..." were responsible for saving us from the Great Recession, not tanking the world economy like the policies of the Republican plutocrats.
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


YOU MET THEM WHEN YOU FIRED THEM DICKBAG
posted by elizardbits at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Anyone know what the Romneys drive?
posted by Thistledown at 10:26 PM on October 22 [+] [!]


Ann drives a couple of Cadillacs!
posted by giraffe at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012


LOCK UP THAT APPLETON VOTE
posted by Greg Nog at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


More people on food stamps because WE DON'T SUPPORT STARVING THE POOR....
SAY IT
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Ooh time for fake people stories!
posted by rmless at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I want to smack that faux-concern off Mitt's face.
posted by Theta States at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012


Damnit 4 years from now we better freaking have realtime fact checking. The moderator better google whatever is under debate, or admin assistants better google it, and within 3 minutes, like an instant replay review, we'd better have who is right and who is wrong. Come on, we live in the 21st century.
posted by cashman at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [25 favorites]


NO NOT THIS AGAIN I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE TIME TO BE FREE OF THIS ANECDOTE ABOUT THIS MYSTERIOUS LADY IN PHILLY MAKE IT STOP RESEARCH NEW FAKE PEOPLE
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012


The Whelk: "Bury me on a pyre of spent wine boxes tell them I was a good man"

HE WAS AN AWFUL MAN WHO DRANK SCOPE MOUTHWASH BY THE GALLON.
posted by boo_radley at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


Romneybot: When failing.....must.....remember....talk.....about......jobs
posted by triggerfinger at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012


"I love teachers." Well, Mitt, I can say with some surety that most teachers do not love you.
posted by smirkette at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I saw someone sad once! My wife saw someone weeping!
posted by mynameisluka at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


and he's crashing again. uh ah jobs! four years closer to nuclear bomb. jobs teachers federal...loving teachers.
posted by fzx101 at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012


Mostly worthless moderator.
posted by Pudhoho at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romeny is making some vocal points here at the end. Some were decent retorts (soundbite-wise anyway). I wish this would have ended about 10 minutes ago.

Obama: Use your lifeline, mention companies by name.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm Hot for Teacher!
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:28 PM on October 22, 2012


WE ALL LOVE TEACHERS
posted by The Whelk at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Hey, jetlagaddict, as a government scientist lemme tell ya...it's more like a trickle in this club than a tropical storm.
posted by wintermind at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Make America attractive, put some lipstick on Alabama, iron Oregon's suit.
posted by cashman at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Fuck you Schieffer.
posted by benito.strauss at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I LOVE TEACHERS
posted by thirteenkiller at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012


holy shit. romney is just...wow...
posted by sio42 at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012


I LOVE TEACHERS BA-ABUP-BLUP PRIVATE SECTOR.
posted by boo_radley at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


NYT: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt
Editorial by Mitt Romney, Published: November 18, 2008
posted by zarq at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [18 favorites]


Here Mitt is again with this "I met a young woman" and "Ann met someone" bullshit, WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? They sound made up.
posted by Ice Cream Socialist at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Tonight: "I've met unemployed people."
Last debate: "I've sat across the table from unemployed people."

"I think we all love teachers!"

BOO-YA!
posted by Room 641-A at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm hoping 4 years from now it's just a straight-up Jeopardy game.
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I hate that friggin' laugh...
posted by HuronBob at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Is the coughing level really ramping up out in the audience, or is that just me?
posted by jinjo at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012


SHOVEL HOT TAR DOWN MY LYING GULLET BLUH BLUP HUH HUH HHHUHH
posted by boo_radley at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012


hisssssssss
posted by elizardbits at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012


Other than the Olympics, these debates are the stupidest things to happen every four years. Why do I do this to myself each time?!
posted by barnacles at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


My loathing for Mitt Romney approaches in intensity my loathing for George W Bush, even if for mostly different reasons.

I literally cannot believe half of America thinks this guy is worthy to be their president. It boggles my mind. How is that even possible?
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [44 favorites]


Did he just laugh in the face of Obama while he was saying his final word?

If so, "ASSHOLE".
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012


oh I don't like that Romney gets the last word
posted by triggerfinger at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012


STOP SAYING YOU LOVE TEACHERS, YOU LOVE GREECE, YOU LOVE MILITARY PEOPLE, godDAMN what an absolute EMPTY SUIT.

I swear the Republicans are hell-bent on making the office of the President look like ANYONE CAN GET THERE.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Is Obama echoing or have I had too much beer?
posted by Dr. Send at 7:30 PM on October 22, 2012


I think we all love to SHUT THE HELL UP
posted by trunk muffins at 7:30 PM on October 22, 2012


Prepare to hear more about Iran
posted by Pyry at 7:30 PM on October 22, 2012


"I think we all love teachers."

I withdraw all my snarky thoughts, Mr. Schieffer, you're alright by me.
posted by Kattullus at 7:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Good framing by Obama on his final statement. Highlighting that the whole mess was started by past policies and saying what he wants to do.
posted by ersatz at 7:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


If y'all had had my 10th grade gym teacher, you wouldn't say you love all teachers.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Last word AGAIN?!
posted by O Blitiri at 7:30 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama is ACTUAL hissing
posted by ninjew at 7:30 PM on October 22, 2012


I hate it when Romney gives me a look like he is telling me something I don't know, but it is something really dumb like when he keeps saying "currency manipulation" really slow.
posted by Ad hominem at 7:30 PM on October 22, 2012


We all love teachers! On this, we can agree.

Well, as long as they're not lazy, crappy, underperforming losers who strike because they hate America. Not those teachers.
posted by Superplin at 7:30 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Mitt Romney loves teachers, but earlier tonight he was attacking them. He also won't help states hire more.
posted by humanfont at 7:30 PM on October 22, 2012


More from The Corner:
jimgeraghty Romney's laugh about "too many TV commercials" made me laugh out loud.
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charlescwcooke Good that Romney gets to sum up the three debates.
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kathrynlopez was really hoping for an international religious freedom round tonight.
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DanFosterNRO BINDERS
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DanFosterNRO ROMNEY HAS BINDERS FULL OF TEACHERS
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posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012


Did Obama lose every coin toss of the debates? He never went first or closed last did he?
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Did he just laugh in the face of Obama while he was saying his final word?

He laughed at the "way too many TV commercials" line.
posted by King Bee at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012


Artistic representation of tonight's debate (drawn by me, with assistance by Yeti Imperial stout)
posted by hellojed at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


That mysterious young woman in Philadelphia also whipped a battery at Mitt's head, but he never shares that part of the story.
posted by gladly at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


"I was...Anne was with a woman who was weeping because she lost her job."

Oh man. A name? A job? Any details to convince me this really happened and it wasn't just Ann firing the maid? Go back to telling valve stories, Mitt, you are better at anecdotes that don't involve humans.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


Good response to Obama on the undecided voter knobby thing.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney closing statement: I'm a motherfucker.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012


there is actually peace in this country, that's a nice thing we do have
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012


From Romney's NYT "bankrupt" op-ed: Bankruptcy "would permit the companies to shed excess labor."
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Listening to Romney speak is even more painful tonight. He's so breathless and anxious, it's like I vicariously don't get a chance to breathe when he's speaking.
posted by meese at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"good to be with you"? Is he giving an introduction again?
posted by boo_radley at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Final statements. I'm preparing to hate David Brooks yet again.
posted by benito.strauss at 7:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I swear the Republicans are hell-bent on making the office of the President look like ANYONE CAN GET THERE.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 19:29 on October 22 [+] [!]
I don't want to be rude, but I think that point was proved in 2000.
posted by wintermind at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Obama nailed his closing statement. Absolutely nailed it.
posted by vibrotronica at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Obama closed last in the second debate.
posted by Andrhia at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012


The carpet is the best place to lie down with your wine box yes this plan is the best plan yes
posted by The Whelk at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


Romney flat lined on the undecided voter knobby thing.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012


I wanna hear more about those valves!
posted by Dr. Send at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I just muted Romney, damn that felt good.
posted by HuronBob at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Did Obama lose every coin toss of the debates? He never went first or closed last did he?

Obama closed the second Presidential debate, but yes: Romney's won more tosses overall.
posted by cjelli at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney better not ever go to Greece without an army...

He's going to get his ass so kicked.
posted by Skygazer at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Guys I love teachers so much that I want to break up their union so that they can love me as much as I love them economy five points I know what it takes
posted by rmless at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Mitt learned how to get along with the Democrats of Massachusetts.

Mostly by leaving.
posted by maryr at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


hellojed, I'm very interested in the kawaii cabinet of which you draw.
posted by barnacles at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Those trendlines are really tanking. Could Obama retake Florida??
posted by blurker at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU PEONS
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


Food Stamp rations are people!
posted by Room 641-A at 7:32 PM on October 22, 2012


That mysterious young woman in Philadelphia also whipped a battery at Mitt's head, but he never shares that part of the story.

robots need batteries tho
posted by ninjew at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


If our nation is the hope of the earth, wow, the planet is FUCKED.
posted by smirkette at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Tooooooooorch
posted by The Whelk at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


jetlagaddict: we have constant, low-level warfare all over the country, and a truly ridiculous number of people in prison. This is not a peaceful country.
posted by Malor at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh man, the CNN opinion meter flatlined for Romney's closing remarks, but loved Obama's.
posted by Theta States at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt once again lies about his bipartisan record in Massachusetts.
posted by wierdo at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney fundraiser planned Thursday in Hong Kong.

Um.
posted by gaspode at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I want to see The Whelk do a slow waltz in a ratty bathrobe with his wine box. I'll pay good money for this.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


"This nation is the hope of this earth"

what the hell? the hope of universal access to doritos, maybe
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


FoxNews headline in about 5 minutes: President wasn't calm, attacked too much
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney is totally flubbing it.
posted by deanklear at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney's won more tosses overall.

he is the best tosser
posted by elizardbits at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [30 favorites]


Mitt: "This nation is the hope of the earth.........."

Thanks Mitt....all I can say is....."Sham-Wow'
posted by lampshade at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney got NO love from the undecided voters.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Make me the President, pleaaaaaase!
posted by ersatz at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012


'I'll lead you in an open and honest way.'

Oh I have to giggle hollowly with a great bitterness.
posted by winna at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The carpet is the best place to lie down with your wine box yes this plan is the best plan yes

"Oh thank you toilet bowl for being so cool on the side..."
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Glad to see him acknowledging that he's not part of the greatest anything.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012


The...the hope of the Earth?
posted by wintermind at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


wait someone said doritos
posted by elizardbits at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romeny closing: I want to be your president.

Won't happen jackass, go fuck a Hedge Fund, you robotic tool.
posted by Skygazer at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


I really thought he was going to pull that "When I'm president" line again in his closing.
posted by ceribus peribus at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


So Romney ended up copying David Cameron's "I met a X once" election debate tactics.
posted by Wordshore at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012


Bob, you sucked.
posted by barnacles at 7:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


hope of the earth? that's embarrassing.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012


The hope of the Earth? The Earth was hoping you guys would talk about climate change.
posted by homunculus at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [23 favorites]


"We'll work with good Democrats, and good Republicans"

=

'Anyone who doesn't work with us is a bad person'
posted by jiawen at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


"Good job, Bob."
posted by Room 641-A at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012


NYT: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt
Editorial by Mitt Romney, Published: November 18, 2008


"The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk."

Not sure that's exactly what he said but wtf do I know?
posted by You Should See the Other Guy at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012



Obama closed the second Presidential debate, but yes: Romney's won more tosses overall.


Well he would know all about being a tosser.
posted by Freon at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I LOVE WATCHING THEM FAKE SMILE AT ONE ANOTHER
posted by elizardbits at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


GOOD JOB OBAMA!! clapclapclap
posted by triggerfinger at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012


jetlagaddict: we have constant, low-level warfare all over the country, and a truly ridiculous number of people in prison. This is not a peaceful country.

Somehow, I feel like Romney isn't the guy to fix the drug war and broken private prison systems, no.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


What's this "hope of the earth" stuff? Is this some kind of dominionist dogwhistle?
posted by asperity at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I worked out what it is when Romney's tone pushes the "sounding presidential" button in my brain.

It's because his voice sounds a bit like Martin Sheen's.

Goddamn TV-rotted brain.
posted by Pallas Athena at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"The greatest generation" – the last generation to bravely stand up and fight against hippies, the civil rights movement, and children in Viet Nam.
posted by koeselitz at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


what is up with all these wives and familys?
posted by rebent at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012


Agh awkward patting
posted by mynameisluka at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012


Hey, big phony chummy smiles.
posted by figurant at 7:34 PM on October 22, 2012


there are TOO MANY ROMNEYS!
posted by rebent at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


What the heck? Are those all his children?
posted by Flashman at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012


HAHAH It is wonderful to grasp your hand and laugh at your platitudes HA HA HA
posted by boo_radley at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Thanks again MetaFilter.
posted by Sailormom at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012


damn Michelle that's a fucking killer dress, that's some goth Mary Crawley shit I tell you what
posted by Greg Nog at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [19 favorites]


Romney wins because more family on stage.

Tag wins because he goes for suckerpunch TKO on Obama.

We lose because the country has come to this sort of thing being the best we can expect.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


It's so cute when Obama leans down to talk to kids!
posted by cashman at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Mitt got kinda video dating service at the end there.

I'm going to go read stories about Clint and Couldon being boyfriends.
posted by The Whelk at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Is the guy who said he'd like to punch Obama up on stage with him now?
posted by Flunkie at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


OH NO TAGG DONT PUNCH HIM
posted by ninjew at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


I love how Romney is surrounded by adults and Obama is talking to kids after the debate.

There's something to be gained from those images.
posted by hippybear at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


Obama to Tag "So you're the shitass that wanted to punch me?"
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


I just realized that the Romneys have their young kids/grandkids onstage, but Sasha and Malia haven't attended any debate.
posted by girlmightlive at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012


CBS says Romney moderated his rhetoric, did not go for jugular.
posted by maryr at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012


I would totally wear the dress the First Lady is wearing. I wouldn't look nearly as good in it though...
posted by dejah420 at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney is as red as a fire truck during the awkward after talk.
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Blonde kiddo Romney is the best Romney.
posted by ersatz at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


It is so foolish of me to watch the debate on CNN. Somehow I forget how annoying it is to hear Wolf Blitzer's mealy-mouthed summation at the end. What a hack.
posted by wabbittwax at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


I'm watching cspan and they have the phone numbers up:

202-555-0001 Obama Supporters
202-555-0002 Romney Supporters
202-628-0205 CRAZY PEOPLE
posted by cashman at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


My wife sez:

Bob: Final words, Governor Romney?
Governor Romney: FEED ME A STRAY CAT.
posted by boo_radley at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [40 favorites]


Romney presented well in his closing, but overall he was weak in this debate, while having a few shining moments.

Obama was tough, forceful and direct, a little too much at times, but it was what was needed from his side and he accomplished that very well.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


hellojed, I'm very interested in the kawaii cabinet of which you draw.

Suddenly, I am too.
posted by hellojed at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


CBS just said Obama won.
posted by zarq at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh my god, what on earth is Candy Crowley talking about. Mitt Romney's surgical precision?
posted by mynameisluka at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012


Wow everyone looks so HAPPY.
posted by zardoz at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012


At least we made it without having to hear "children of the same God" yet again.
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


AMERICA IS THE HOPE OF THE EARTH

OCTOBER SURPRISE: THERE IS A METEOR HEADED FOR EARTH, ONLY AMERICAN HERO BRUCE WILLIS CAN STOP IT
posted by shakespeherian at 7:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Lol Chris Matthews - "Any jackass can talk about bombing Iran...."
posted by triggerfinger at 7:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


CBS says Romney moderated his rhetoric, did not go for jugular.

Just his own wrists, then?
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 7:37 PM on October 22, 2012


C-SPAN Romney supporter caller complains about the moderator.
posted by wierdo at 7:37 PM on October 22, 2012


Vote on Cnn.com poll at bottom of page, search for "quick vote".
posted by Theta States at 7:37 PM on October 22, 2012


What the heck? Are those all his children?

If each generation of Romneys mutiplies exponentially, they should be able to run a candidate who can win a majority just from voting family members eventually.
posted by figurant at 7:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


It looked like that small boy wanted to be held by Obama, but someone snatched him away!
posted by Malice at 7:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oh my god, what on earth is Candy Crowley talking about. Mitt Romney's surgical precision?

Candy Crowley or Monica Crowley? I can see that from the latter, but it's just weird from the former.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:37 PM on October 22, 2012


Flunkie: "Is the guy who said he'd like to punch Obama up on stage with him now?"

"Hey Tag, I hear you got beef with me. Well, I hope you packed a lunch."
posted by boo_radley at 7:37 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


I'll say one thing for the Romneys, they're all attractive people
posted by ninjew at 7:37 PM on October 22, 2012


I wonder if all the talking heads will call this one a near draw?
posted by 3200 at 7:38 PM on October 22, 2012


CBS suggests that Romney did not press on Libya attacks because of his misfire in 2nd debate.
posted by maryr at 7:38 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


My wife sez: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[School has been rough on her recently so I'm stuck being the pillow that can't move until she startles herself awake]
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:38 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


It takes balls to go right into the middle of the Romney clan and smile and meet them and be THE PRESIDENT.
posted by Skygazer at 7:38 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


If each generation of Romneys mutiplies exponentially...

I think Iain Banks calls these "Aggressive Hegemonizing Swarms."
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [16 favorites]


Huh? America is the hope of the Earth? Thought America was the hope of Kolob? Or Kolob was the hope of America? Or the Earth? Or something. Confused.
posted by Wordshore at 7:39 PM on October 22, 2012


Candy Crowley or Monica Crowley? I can see that from the latter, but it's just weird from the former.

Candy. She talked about how Mitt read as a surgeon/doctor whose first directive was "do no harm."
posted by mynameisluka at 7:39 PM on October 22, 2012


until she startles herself awake

yell PRESIDENT ROMNEY in her ear
posted by twist my arm at 7:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [14 favorites]


I'll say one thing for the Romneys, they're all attractive people

In that creepy Mormon clone kind of way, yes.

c.f. The Osmonds
posted by hippybear at 7:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Can we just do away with closing statements entirely next time? I really don't like how the last candidate can just say whatever the fuck without a rebuttal, and how both candidates can just go into stump speech mode. Doesn't matter if it's "my team" or not that gets the last word, I don't like it either way.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Okay, now the Giants just need to wrap it up and I can stop vicariously wearing myself out.
posted by smirkette at 7:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


ninjew: "I'll say one thing for the Romneys, they're all attractive people especially that little boy wtf"

They're made to wear molds during their formative years, much like Buddha Pears, but for jawlines and cleft chins.
posted by boo_radley at 7:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


RESULTS OF CNN'S QUICK VOTE:
Obama 0% 0
Romney 0% 0
Total votes: 0
This is not a scientific poll
posted by shakespeherian at 7:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [21 favorites]


Apparently it's a phrase from a speech of Abraham Lincoln's?

Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration, will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance, or insignificance, can spare one or another of us. The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the latest generation. We say we are for the Union. The world will not forget that we say this. We know how to save the Union. The world knows we do know how to save it. We -- even we here -- hold the power, and bear the responsibility. In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free -- honorable alike in what we give, and what we preserve. We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth. Other means may succeed; this could not fail. The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just -- a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud, and God must forever bless.
posted by winna at 7:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


CSPAN is still a magnet for a...certain kind of caller.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


David Brooks complaining about Obama being too "mean". Shut up, Brooks.
posted by benito.strauss at 7:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


David Brooks on PBS: I thought the Horses and Bayonets comment was condescending.
posted by Skygazer at 7:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Poll: Alright folks - one of our last polls. Who won?
Romney by a lot (18%)
Obama by a lot (54%)
Romney by a little (15%)
Obama by a little (14%)
by Steve Krakauer, CNN 10:29 AM

posted by Defying Gravity at 7:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I could watch replays of the "horses and bayonets" line all night.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


i want to stay up and watch this thread but i have to get up early. goodnight internet! thanks for watching for the debate with me!
posted by sio42 at 7:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


it's a phrase from a speech of Abraham Lincoln's
Good lord, is Romney no Abraham Lincoln. Stealing from the best, though, I guess.
posted by smirkette at 7:42 PM on October 22, 2012


Yay! I got polled!
posted by gladly at 7:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Kiron Skinner was on AlJazeera English actually choking on spin. So now they have Tom Ridge.
posted by classa at 7:42 PM on October 22, 2012


Slight movement in the main Obama vs Romney spread betting market, but not much.
posted by Wordshore at 7:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


it's a phrase from a speech of Abraham Lincoln's

Governor, Abraham Lincoln was a friend of mine and you're no Jack Kennedy!
posted by mazola at 7:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


So Romney basically said "I'd do what Obama is doing, but the last 4 years have been a disaster".

Scary thing is, I think it might work.
posted by fullerine at 7:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


well, time to turn off the pundits again for a the next couple of weeks.

Now, time to get back to some serious politics............Yosemite Sam - "Wild and Woolly Hare"
posted by lampshade at 7:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Candy Crowley is under attack from the right for her "partisan" fact-checking last debate; she's covering her bases by being courteous to Romney, I guess?
posted by Pallas Athena at 7:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


some of my best friends are teachers!
posted by suedehead at 7:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Wow, even the Republicans on CNN concede Obama won and are only going so far as to spin it as "he didn't melt down."
posted by wierdo at 7:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Huh? America is the hope of the Earth? Thought America was the hope of Kolob? Or Kolob was the hope of America? Or the Earth? Or something. Confused.

The Babylon Project was our last, best hope for peace. A self-contained world five miles long, located in neutral territory. A place of commerce and diplomacy for a quarter of a million humans and aliens. A shining beacon in space . . . all alone in the night.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 7:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


I just realized that the Romneys have their young kids/grandkids onstage, but Sasha and Malia haven't attended any debate.

I imagine they're in school, as they should be.
posted by padraigin at 7:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


David Brooks on PBS: I thought the Horses and Bayonets comment was condescending.

I thought that was OK, but the "we have ships you land planes on: aircraft carriers" came off a little smarmy to me, but as Obama was sitting next to the emperor of smarm, I don't think it'll matter much in the final analysis.
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Somehow the CNN spin seems to be that Romney is the peace candidate who represents hope and change? Holy shit. It's not every day you see the cotton candy being spun in the moment.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:45 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Oh why do I subject myself to the C-span phone loons?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:45 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I imagine they're in school, as they should be.

Republicans don't hold with that book learnin
posted by elizardbits at 7:45 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Some kindly soul made a gif of the tally me bananas gesture!
posted by winna at 7:45 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Go vote. It makes you feel big and strong.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


@BrentBozell: Something is wrong with Romney tonight. He's refusing to challenge Obama's failed policies. He's sounding LIKE Obama. This is terrible.

Most recent tweet: Bad news for Romney: Poor performance, and lack of vision. Good news for Romney: No one knows; America had been put to sleep.
posted by Room 641-A at 7:46 PM on October 22, 2012


Goodnight, MeFi. Remember that we need a a strong election thread and if you elect me, I will provide this thread. I know how to do it.
posted by ersatz at 7:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Power move: Obama gives Tag a hug.
posted by humanfont at 7:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I imagine they're in school, as they should be.

They send kids to school at night in D.C.?
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:46 PM on October 22, 2012


SYRIA IS "IRAN'S ROUTE TO THE SEA"
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 7:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Ari Fleischer on CNN (Republican talking head) said it was pretty much a draw, but Obama did pretty good, but it doesn't really matter because it was about foreign policy and the only thing Americans care about is the economy now.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:47 PM on October 22, 2012


he looks shook, s0n.
posted by Uther Bentrazor at 7:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Obama giving Tag Romney a hug is a nice gesture on the president's part.
posted by maryr at 7:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


They send kids to school at night in D.C.?

They don't send their kids down to Florida on a school night. I wouldn't. Not with Grandma on deck.
posted by padraigin at 7:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


David Brooks on PBS: I thought the Horses and Bayonets comment was condescending.
Yes, condescending. As if Mitt Romney didn't know that his "Navy smaller than 1916" line that he's been trumpeting nonstop is completely idiotic. Of course Mitt Romney knows that his "Navy smaller than 1916" line that he's been trumpeting nonstop is completely idiotic. Calling him out on it? For shame, Mr. President.
posted by Flunkie at 7:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


One of my aphorisms is never take any commentator on military affairs or foreign policy seriously unless they've read Thucydides. Only one of the men on stage tonight gave any indication being even passingly familiar with The Peloponnesian War. That is the man I will vote for.
posted by ob1quixote at 7:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


The first Republican talking point is that Obama got spanked on the Apology Tour thing. Karl Rove tweeted it and others seem to be repeating it.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:48 PM on October 22, 2012


Goodnight, MeFi. Remember that we need a a strong election thread and if you elect me, I will provide this thread. I know how to do it.

I'll buy you 12 million George Michaels.
posted by Room 641-A at 7:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


So where can I go online to vote and say Obama won??
posted by soundproof at 7:48 PM on October 22, 2012


I think that the Obamas simply don't exploit their girls for politics. Children don't need to be on that stage.
posted by Surfurrus at 7:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [16 favorites]


They send kids to school at night in D.C.?

No, but they had school today, presumably with homework, and they have school tomorrow.
posted by cooker girl at 7:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


They send kids to school at night in D.C.?

Small people should be in bed before this time of night.

In fact, I think technically my bedtime is still 8:30 pm, because my parents are strict.
posted by winna at 7:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


ooh attack the block is on

l8rs bruvs
posted by elizardbits at 7:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


To follow up on EMRJKC's point - even if they mean the Mediterranean, Iraq probably has some thoughts on Syria being Iran's route to the sea.
posted by maryr at 7:49 PM on October 22, 2012


padraigin: "I just realized that the Romneys have their young kids/grandkids onstage, but Sasha and Malia haven't attended any debate.

I imagine they're in school, as they should be.
"

I think they were at the first debate?

My daughter just asked where they were, too. I pointed out that they have school in the morning, as does she, so GET YOUR BEHIND UPSTAIRS, you've learned enough new curses from me tonight.

( I will admit that watching her dance around singing "Mitt Romney is a doucheface, Mitt Romney is a doucheface" was kind of funny and we struggled to keep straight faces.)
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 7:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [20 favorites]


Debbie Wasserman Schultz is a muppet.
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 7:50 PM on October 22, 2012


You gotta wonder about a right-wing warmonger who avoided Vietnam by trying to convince the French to stop drinking wine, and who has five grown sons, of whom not a one has ever served in any branch of the military. I'm a diehard bleeding heart pacifist lefty with three sons, and one of mine served in the US army. Which one of us is the real murrican?
posted by mareli at 7:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [14 favorites]


Karl Rove tweeted it and others seem to be repeating it.

Just like they've done with every other thing he's put forward for the past 12 years.

He probably has Frank Luntz sitting next to him helping him compose his tweets at this very moment.
posted by hippybear at 7:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I think that the Obamas simply don't exploit their girls for politics.

Oh, I think there is a little of that, but it's not terribly egregious
posted by edgeways at 7:50 PM on October 22, 2012


Thanks, all.... Your company reassures me......
posted by HuronBob at 7:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


They send kids to school at night in D.C.?

Reasons I would disrupt my kid's sleep schedule short of death, dismemberment, or other calamity:
posted by snickerdoodle at 7:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


53-23-24, Obama-Romney-Tie in the CBS snap poll. Obama's trust on foreign policy and terrorism up dramatically from before the debate. Split on china.
posted by wierdo at 7:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Yeah, I get it.
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:51 PM on October 22, 2012


To follow up on EMRJKC's point - even if they mean the Mediterranean, Iraq probably has some thoughts on Syria being Iran's route to the sea.

Syria is the least useful place on the map.
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:52 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I think they were at the first debate?

It's possible that they were on a fall break, and equally possible that the Romney kids are now. My kids had a five-day weekend last week for conferences.
posted by padraigin at 7:52 PM on October 22, 2012


Oh this gif is both horrifying and hypnotic. You will hate me if you click it.

BE WARNED
posted by winna at 7:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [19 favorites]


Just like they've done with every other thing he's put forward for the past 12 years.

He probably has Frank Luntz sitting next to him helping him compose his tweets at this very moment.


Like a neocon version of Simon & Garfunkel.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


After all that, all the debates from the GOP candidate battles, through Perry and Santorum and Bachmann and Pawlenty and Cain, through these three debates, from Obama's snooze in Denver to tonite's aircraft carriers and horses and bayonets, my final summarising thought, hope, expectation even, is:

Mathowie/Jessamyn 2016

Goodnight, America. Sleep well.
posted by Wordshore at 7:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Ugh, God, Ann has seen that look, can you imagine
posted by Countess Elena at 7:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I literally have no idea what Romney would do on any issue as president, and I'm not just saying that as a partisan.
posted by empath at 7:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


Yeah, it just reminded me how small the Obama family is compared to the Romneys.
posted by girlmightlive at 7:54 PM on October 22, 2012


Well most Republican talking heads are claiming a draw which bodes well for Obama. I don't think it was a massive win for Obama because Romney just tried to play defense for 90 minutes but it's probably a weak win for Obama.

Kinda strange given that Obama clearly has the advantage in the EC moving forward but Romney seems committed to the base election strategy.
posted by vuron at 7:54 PM on October 22, 2012



Ugh, God, Ann has seen that look, can you imagine

And our good Countess has just upped the horrifying factor by about eighty. I just thought it made it clear he was a lizard people.
posted by winna at 7:54 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


There is a tiny, tiny part of me , the part that clicks on links labeled NSFL, that is curious to see what a Romney presidency would look like. How horrible would it be and would any of his Republican voters notice if he completely screwed things up. I'm hearing all these phone-ins say "We can't afford 4 more years of Obama" and I just want to scream at them, "Jesus Christ! You think the past 4 years are bad? 4 years of Romney would destroy us!
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


I literally have no idea what Romney would do on any issue as president

fuck it up unimaginably, i expect
posted by elizardbits at 7:55 PM on October 22, 2012 [18 favorites]


I literally have no idea what Romney would do on any issue as president

Hold the pen; sign what Grover Norquist asks him to.
posted by Joey Michaels at 7:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


The America hope of the earth thing is an LDS thing
posted by atomicstone at 7:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


As usual, CNN's interaction with the "undecided voters" is giving me hives. CLICK. I shall rely on all of you to tell me what the polls say.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:57 PM on October 22, 2012


The supreme court is the reason why I'm terrified of an Romney win, chances are good that whoever wins this election will be able to pick 2 Supreme Court justices which could basically doom forward momentum on a whole host of issues.
posted by vuron at 7:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [16 favorites]


I'm not normally this kind of a girl, but I feel like I need to be honest with all of you tonight.

I kind of love Chris Matthews.

Is that wrong?

posted by triggerfinger at 7:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


8-0 bottom 7th
posted by asockpuppet at 7:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


winna, this one's better. :)
posted by zarq at 7:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Secret Life of Gravy, please do not troll the election. Or, if you do, at least do it properly and vote for Ron Paul or Herman Cain.
posted by maryr at 7:58 PM on October 22, 2012


Yay, Romney voters on Facebook are complaining about the moderator, that means their guy lost.
posted by marxchivist at 7:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


George Pataki: "I never thought I'd quote the New York Times."

But then they said something I liked.
posted by Room 641-A at 7:59 PM on October 22, 2012


humanfont: "Power move: Obama gives Tag a hug."

Wouldn't you love to know what they whispered in each other's ear? As Obama drew Tag in, felt that sharp intake of breath... That moment of uncertainty on Tag's part; a clenching, rushing instinct, right on the verge of fight-or-flight as he extends his arms... And then the back slap, the smile, cheek-to-cheek and almost but not quite touching as Obama's eyes narrow and lock on to Tag's eyes... What did they say?
posted by boo_radley at 7:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [7 favorites]


As usual, CNN's interaction with the "undecided voters" is giving me hives.

Awesome for once! Unemployed guy who decided he'll stick with the President, woman who admitted rolling her eyes at Romney's pandering to teachers.
posted by sallybrown at 7:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


8-0 bottom 7th

13-0 3rd quarter.
posted by cashman at 7:59 PM on October 22, 2012


Nice apparently Obama crushed Romney in the CBS snappoll.
posted by vuron at 8:00 PM on October 22, 2012


empath: I literally have no idea what Romney would do on any issue as president, and I'm not just saying that as a partisan.

If I have taken one thing away from the ten long years I've been watching him politick, it's that I'm pretty sure that he'll wake up everyday with only one thing on his mind: "My hair should look great today."
posted by Kattullus at 8:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


That moment of uncertainty on Tag's part; a clenching, rushing instinct, right on the verge of fight-or-flight as he extends his arms...

oh god is it hot in here
posted by shakespeherian at 8:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


Headline: Obama Takes Out Romney with Mid-Debate Drone Attack.
posted by ceribus peribus at 8:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


The America hope of the earth thing is an LDS thing

Well, no. It's way older than LDS. It started with John Winthrop and his "shining city on a hill" sermon at the founding of the Massachusettes Bay colonies. It's been echoed a lot across the years, including by Kennedy and Reagan.
posted by hippybear at 8:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Awesome for once! Unemployed guy who decided he'll stick with the President, woman who admitted rolling her eyes at Romney's pandering to teachers.

Shit, figures I'd tune out the minute it got good!
posted by mynameisluka at 8:01 PM on October 22, 2012


CNN's poll is scientific and you know what I really don't give even the slightest of a fuck.
posted by item at 8:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


53-23-24, Obama-Romney-Tie in the CBS snap poll.

And the snap poll was apparently all (nominally) undecided voters, so that's extra good.
posted by saturday_morning at 8:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I think what we learned tonight is that Obama is so damn good he convinced Romney.
posted by Ad hominem at 8:01 PM on October 22, 2012 [28 favorites]


I remember reading somewhere that, as collective organizations go, people in the State Department have contributed one of the highest amounts to the Obama campaign, next to Microsoft and UCal system or something.

That tells me more about where US should be going, foreign policy wise, than another bout of American Gladiators In Chief- The World Edition
posted by the cydonian at 8:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


CNN's poll showed up for a bit there and was showing 70%+ Obama, but now it's back to all zeroes.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:02 PM on October 22, 2012


Obama's really helped with his incumbency in this debate, I think. All I can think is, "well, he's actually done this."
posted by girlmightlive at 8:02 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama punches Romney....
posted by HuronBob at 8:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama is so damn good he convinced Romeny.

that should go in the stump speech
posted by twist my arm at 8:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


I kind of love Chris Matthews.

Is that wrong?


Absolutely not.
posted by Room 641-A at 8:03 PM on October 22, 2012


I just want to say, for note, that bayonets are very much still issued to modern soldiers.
One of my aphorisms is never take any commentator on military affairs or foreign policy seriously unless they've read Thucydides. Only one of the men on stage tonight gave any indication being even passingly familiar with The Peloponnesian War. That is the man I will vote for.
Obama knows to never get surrounded on Sphacteria.
posted by Jehan at 8:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


CNN is replaying Obama's smackdown of Romney's "You didn't visit Israel" attack. Even more awkward for Mitt the second time around.

Blitzer, of course, says "Both candidates showing their glowing support for Isreal."

You have missed the point, Wolf.
posted by Panjandrum at 8:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


shakespeherian: "oh god is it hot in here"

oh no i think its just mitt
posted by boo_radley at 8:04 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Over on Fox, Shep was recounting a tweet by a Marine stating that the Marines still use bayonets and said Obama was being untruthful when he said "we have fewer horses and bayonets". How unsurprising. If you can't come up with an actual fact check, just make shit up. It's a wonder they manage to survive up there on bullshit mountain.
posted by wierdo at 8:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I missed most of this debate. How did Obama refer to Thucydides?
posted by koeselitz at 8:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The point is that everyone thinks Israel is totally dreamy and they both write 'Barack Israel' and 'Mitt Israel' respectively in loopy cursive on their trapper keepers
posted by shakespeherian at 8:05 PM on October 22, 2012 [13 favorites]


haha holy shit prosceco is a serious stealth drunk. It's like Visual Champagne Plus Plus.
posted by boo_radley at 8:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


Lawrence O'Donnell: "You played Mitt Romney in the debate--"
John Kerry: The exorcism is next week.
posted by Room 641-A at 8:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [12 favorites]


What up, Leffe Brun in the house!!!! YAY DEBATE THREADS, YOU HATES MY LIVER!
posted by Theta States at 8:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


on their trapper keepers

on their david ben gurion trapper keepers
posted by elizardbits at 8:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


How unsurprising. If you can't come up with an actual fact check, just make shit up.

The height of 2012 Republican word play was taking "You didn't build that" out of context. It shouldn't surprise anyone that they don't understand metaphors.
posted by Joey Michaels at 8:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The point is that everyone thinks Israel is totally dreamy and they both write 'Barack Israel' and 'Mitt Israel' respectively in loopy cursive on their trapper keepers binders full of women
posted by mynameisluka at 8:07 PM on October 22, 2012


How did Obama refer to Thucydides?

"Governor, I knew Thucydides. Thucydides was a friend of mine. You are no Thucydides."
posted by Joey Michaels at 8:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Just in case CNN's poll goes down again...

75% Obama/25% Romney
posted by jason_steakums at 8:08 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


BIG BIRD

BINDERS

BAYONETS

ROMNEY 2012
posted by The Whelk at 8:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [20 favorites]


Fuck, he could win on that slogan.
posted by mazola at 8:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Re the visit to Israel, I was surprised that Obama never got back to the point I thought he was going to make, that he seemed to be teeing up, which was that when Romney went to Israel it was with a plane full of lobbyists, and was dedicated to fund-raising dinners and glad-handling.
posted by Flashman at 8:10 PM on October 22, 2012




haha holy shit prosceco is a serious stealth drunk. It's like Visual Champagne Plus Plus.

"I don't touch champagne. That stuff is HANGOVER FUEL."

-My Mom.
posted by The Whelk at 8:10 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


So, Kudlow (with Fox?) said Romney was on Valium?
posted by terrierhead at 8:11 PM on October 22, 2012


At least it's not tequila, which gets you drunk like you took money from it.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:11 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


John Kerry: That was young Egyptians with their tweets, and their ability to Google.
posted by Room 641-A at 8:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Not just sanctions, mind. CRIPPLING SANCTIONS.

Iran sanctions 'putting millions of lives at risk': Western sanctions hitting import of medicines for diseases including multiple sclerosis and cancer, charity warns
posted by homunculus at 8:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


plz don't say the T word
posted by elizardbits at 8:12 PM on October 22, 2012


plz don't say the T word

Thucydides?
posted by homunculus at 8:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Hannity just called the president "petulant and childish". And their Florida focus group admits that Obama did well on foreign policy, but the election was about economics.
posted by FJT at 8:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


HA HA

BREAK DANCE
posted by shakespeherian at 8:12 PM on October 22, 2012


Secret Life of Gravy, please do not troll the election

Not for all the bayonets in China.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


shakespeherian, I'm not sure if you're talking about prosecco, champagne or valium but I endorse the sentiment either way.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:12 PM on October 22, 2012


TONIGHT WE WITNESSED AN ELEPHANT ATTEMPTING TO MATE WITH A DONKEY

NOW THE THRILLING CONCLUSION

GIRAFFE BIRTH LIVE 2012
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 8:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Dammit, you guys. Stop being witty and interesting and stuff. I need to go to bed.
posted by cooker girl at 8:12 PM on October 22, 2012


T...equila shots?
posted by twist my arm at 8:13 PM on October 22, 2012


Yeah we still have bayonets but let's be honest if you ever get in a situation where you have to fix bayonets for a charge or you are defending yourself with a melee weapon, shit has gone serious south.

The idea that we need to substantially increase the size of our navy is pretty ludicrous. We already have a large number of carrier battlegroups and a ridiculous number of fast attack and boomer subs. I mean if we actually need a navy for a conflict with China in the South China sea, we pretty much are completely screwed regardless.
posted by vuron at 8:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Joey Michaels: " It shouldn't surprise anyone that they don't understand metaphors."

That's the thing, it's even worse. Obama simply did not say that we had no horses or bayonets in our military, he said that we have fewer than we once did. At least in the "you didn't build that" case there was arguably ambiguous grammar. In this case, there was no ambiguity.
posted by wierdo at 8:14 PM on October 22, 2012



plz don't say the T word

the last time I used the T word I was strapped to a rolling office chair with duct tape and sent down a hill at 3AM in Poughkipsbee, NY
posted by The Whelk at 8:14 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I say we let him go
posted by shakespeherian at 8:14 PM on October 22, 2012


RE: Bayonets

Google search for "last major bayonet charge" turns up this guy, who lead the charge in the Korean War. He also apparently enlisted in the US Army in 1940, then deserted in 1941 to the Canadian Army, because the US was too slow getting involved in WWII.
posted by Panjandrum at 8:15 PM on October 22, 2012


BAYONETS ARE EFFECTIVE AGAINST ZOMBIES WHAT DOES MITT KNOW?
posted by The Whelk at 8:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The CNN snap poll is 48O - 40R.
posted by Justinian at 8:15 PM on October 22, 2012


CNN's snap poll saying 48% Obama 40% Romney.
posted by SomaSoda at 8:15 PM on October 22, 2012


Dammit, you guys. Stop being witty and interesting and stuff. I need to go to bed.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:15 PM on October 22, 2012


The idea that we need to substantially increase the size of our navy is pretty ludicrous. We already have a large number of carrier battlegroups and a ridiculous number of fast attack and boomer subs. I mean if we actually need a navy for a conflict with China in the South China sea, we pretty much are completely screwed regardless.

The USA has more aircraft carriers than the rest of the developed world combined.

The question I, as a foreigner, ask myself is "Who the fuck do you people intend to start a war against?"
posted by Talez at 8:15 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


CNN poll of registered voters across the spectrum:
Obama won: 48%
Romney won: 40%

Wolf gives caveat that more Republicans watch the debates than Democrats (really?)
posted by sallybrown at 8:16 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


For the Michigan/Detroit crew... I present Springsteen..
posted by HuronBob at 8:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Who the fuck do you people intend to start a war against?"

ANYONE WHO DOESN'T THINK WE'RE LIKE TOTALLY STRONG AND BUFF


RIIIIIIPED SICK MAN USA USA USA
posted by The Whelk at 8:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


And then the back slap, the smile, cheek-to-cheek and almost but not quite touching as Obama's eyes narrow and lock on to Tag's eyes... What did they say?

"OHH... YOU TOUCH MY TRA-LA-LA"
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 8:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Who the fuck do you people intend to start a war against?"

why, u got some oil bro
posted by twist my arm at 8:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [23 favorites]


The question I, as a foreigner, ask myself is "Who the fuck do you people intend to start a war against?"

Loki.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


My daughter just asked what she would have to do to run for president. What say you, MetaFilter?
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 8:17 PM on October 22, 2012


East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94: ""OHH... YOU TOUCH MY TRA-LA-LA""

Fun Boo radley fact: I have this CD. Bought it when it first came out. Came with a condom.
posted by boo_radley at 8:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Take Two:
Dammit, you guys. Stop being witty and interesting and stuff. I need to go to bed.

Ha ha! I'm already in bed! which is a good thing because I appear to be a bit tiddly.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


1. be a gazillionaire
posted by twist my arm at 8:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Someone tweeted: In '04 Bush lost all three debates; this race is just about as close as that one.

It would be tragic if any Obama supporters decided he won tonight and so doesn't need people to get out and vote.
posted by Surfurrus at 8:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I just want to say, for note, that bayonets are very much still issued to modern soldiers.

The US army has not issued bayonets to soldiers in Afghanistan, nor did it in Iraq. The US military's last bayonet charge was in 1951, in Korea.
posted by humanfont at 8:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


My daughter just asked what she would have to do to run for president. What say you, MetaFilter?

Well, I'll canvass.
posted by mrgoat at 8:20 PM on October 22, 2012


"My daughter just asked what she would have to do to run for president."

Post this in AskMe..... really, it would be a great thread, but the question will get lost here....
posted by HuronBob at 8:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Look, here's Romney's plan:

1. Cut everyone's taxes by 20%
2. Up the defense budget by 2 trillion
3. It won't cost the government a dime!
4. We'll figure it out after the election

So all Obama has to say is, fuck it, let's make it 100%, up the defense budget by 2 quadrillion, and while we're at it, everyone gets ATVs and blowjobs. Check and mate.
posted by fungible at 8:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


BAYONETS.

BINDERS.

BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.

ROMNEY 2012
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 8:20 PM on October 22, 2012 [14 favorites]


Talez, I think the general argument is that the carrier groups need to be able to provide a platform for providing air superiority in two theatres at the same time. I guess the assumption that in some conflicts the ability of the Air Force to successfully stage air superiority assets from ground bases is in some doubt.

I think the reliance on carrier groups is kinda outdated in the modern area of asymmetrical warfare but you aren't going to see a major abandonment of that bit of military strategy anytime soon.
posted by vuron at 8:20 PM on October 22, 2012


humanfont: "The US military's last bayonet charge was in 1951, in Korea."

Heard a TH on NPR saying the same about amphibious vehicles, which Mitt wants to buy a few dozen of.
posted by boo_radley at 8:21 PM on October 22, 2012


VOTE OR I WILL STAND OUTSIDE YOUR WINDOW STARING AT YOU JUST OUTSIDE THE CORNER OF YOUR EYE AND WHEN YOU TURN TO LOOK I'LL VANISH BEHIND A TREE.

I MEAN I WAS GOING TO DO THAT ANYWAY BUT IF YOU DON'T VOTE I'LL BE MAKING SUCH A JUDGMENTAL FACE.
posted by The Whelk at 8:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [23 favorites]


It would be tragic if any Obama supporters decided he won tonight and so doesn't need people to get out and vote.

I just signed up to help locally (making donations was too easy)... I suggest that everyone consider doing that....
posted by HuronBob at 8:21 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


The Whelk: "I MEAN I WAS GOING TO DO THAT ANYWAY BUT IF YOU DON'T VOTE I'LL BE MAKING SUCH A JUDGMENTAL FACE."

YOUR PRESIDENT OR YOUR HOA CHAIR, YOUR CHOICE!
posted by boo_radley at 8:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


SLENDERMAN/CANDLEJACK 2016
posted by elizardbits at 8:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


HuronBob: ""My daughter just asked what she would have to do to run for president."

Post this in AskMe..... really, it would be a great thread, but the question will get lost here....
"

Too tipsy right now ... someone MeMail me and I'll do it in the morning. With enough detail to make it not chatfilter!
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 8:22 PM on October 22, 2012


My daughter just asked what she would have to do to run for president. What say you, MetaFilter?

Start now.

Keep her record impeccable with nothing anyone can ever dig up about her and use against her 30 years from now.

Begin with school government and debate team.

Keep her grades up and get into an ivy league school.

Study law.

Do a lot of volunteerism in areas which give her a broad exposure of humanity, but never anything which might be controversial later. (Soup kitchens are okay, betterment of life issues for prostitutes, not so much.)

Learn to network with people who have Real Money.

Don't be afraid to let people know her goal and to take advice from people more powerful than her about how to get further along her path.

Mostly, be ambitious from this point forward and keep her eye on the prize.
posted by hippybear at 8:22 PM on October 22, 2012 [16 favorites]


I just signed up to help locally (making donations was too easy)... I suggest that everyone consider doing that....

I am going into the campaign office tomorrow! I think a lot of us did things in 2008 and have only donated this cycle. Well folks, its time we get off our butts and make this happen.
posted by cashman at 8:23 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Does anything other than Ohio matter for the next two weeks?
posted by chrismc at 8:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Hippybear, stop being all sensible and shit. You're making the rest of us look silly.
posted by Panjandrum at 8:24 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


O Canada!

Tweet by @1_Non_Blonde:
for a country that wants to lay pipes all over our land; strange no mention of #Canada or #cdnpoli in #debate2012
posted by Surfurrus at 8:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


(Soup kitchens are okay, betterment of life issues for prostitutes, not so much.)

Not a lot of optimism for our culture maturing in 30 years, eh?

Yeah, me neither.
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 8:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


It would be tragic if any Obama supporters decided he won tonight and so doesn't need people to get out and vote.

Just to be clear, I'm voting. Though I think it's important to add that it was tragic that Obama completely phoned in the first debate and allowed Romney to generate the momentum that has made this such a close race.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 8:25 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


if you ever get in a situation where you have to fix bayonets for a charge or you are defending yourself with a melee weapon, shit has gone serious south.

Totally more moral and modern just to bomb people from drones, I know.
posted by Jimbob at 8:25 PM on October 22, 2012


Chrismc, basically the center of the battle is Ohio, there are paths to 270 that don't involve Ohio but they are pretty sketchy for both candidates. There is still a couple of non Ohio paths plus the dreaded 269-269 split but I think it's quite possible that Romney will win the popular vote and Obama will win the electoral vote.
posted by vuron at 8:26 PM on October 22, 2012


The consensus on Charlie Rose is that Romney didn't do as well as Obama, but the strategy seemed to be as coming off more easy going and in control so as to appeal to women more.

I'd extrapolate from that, that the Romney camp inner polls show they've hit a ceiling unless they can whittle down Obama's lead with women, also perhaps it was an effort to try and undo some of the "binders full of women" talk from the last debate.

Lot's of people (Tina Brown, Gwen Ifill, John Heileman) are making the observation of how many times ROmney used the word "Tumult" as people have here. Strangely I think I so sick of Romney I just half hear him at this point and don't remember him using that word at all.

All in all, I think this puts Obama in a decent place with tons of ammo to use against Romney on Detroit, on China, even on his poor understanding of the middle east and how bellicose he sounds in terms of Iran.

I'd feel more comfortable if and when the Gallup Poll begins to come back in line with the others and stops giving Romney this ridiculous 6 point lead.

Something seems really off there. (I hope.)
posted by Skygazer at 8:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


" someone MeMail me and I'll do it in the morning."

done..
posted by HuronBob at 8:27 PM on October 22, 2012


I think it's quite possible that Romney will win the popular vote and Obama will win the electoral vote.

Which, as many have said, would be a wonderful opportunity for a consensus to get rid of the Electoral College.
posted by Danf at 8:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh, and Martha Radditz is on Charlie Rose if anyone is a big fan.
posted by Skygazer at 8:28 PM on October 22, 2012


And then the back slap, the smile, cheek-to-cheek and almost but not quite touching as Obama's eyes narrow and lock on to Tag's eyes... What did they say?
Who's your Daddy?
posted by islander at 8:29 PM on October 22, 2012


The last known bayonet assault might have been Basra, 2004:
A group of 20 British soldiers near Basra fought off an ambush by over 100 Mahdi fighters in Iraq, but eventually ran low on ammo. They then resorted to a fierce bayonet charge that killed 20 militiamen and compelled the rest to flee or surrender, with only three British soldiers injured.
posted by jjwiseman at 8:29 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Kawaii Cabinet
posted by hellojed at 8:31 PM on October 22, 2012


Talez, I think the general argument is that the carrier groups need to be able to provide a platform for providing air superiority in two theatres at the same time.

I'm pretty sure they reached that threshold four Nimitz class carriers and a USS Enterprise ago. The current US Navy could take on the G8 combined and win.
posted by Talez at 8:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Full transcript from Washington Post
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"OHH... YOU TOUCH MY TRA-LA-LA"

Holy shit. I just last week put a Günther song on a mix CD for a friend (yes, that still happens) and I'll bet this is the first time he's ever been referenced w/r/t a U.S. presidential debate.

Brazil, however...
posted by psoas at 8:31 PM on October 22, 2012


Skygazer: "The consensus on Charlie Rose is that Romney didn't do as well as Obama, but the strategy seemed to be as coming off more easy going and in control so as to appeal to women more."

If that was his strategy, he failed. The PPP swing state snap poll shows Obama winning among women by 18 points, and men by 2.
posted by wierdo at 8:31 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm not a big fan of the Electoral College even if it's liable to save Obama's ass this year but I can't imagine it going away anytime soon. There are simply too many states with a clear incentive to retain the system for it to ever get past the requisite number of states even if it could get through Congress.
posted by vuron at 8:32 PM on October 22, 2012


MY FAVORITE PART OF THE DEBATE WAS MITT'S CLOSING STATEMENT

"LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY FELLOW AMERICANS... TODAY, AS IF DRAWN BY A MYSTERIOUS FORCE, I FOUND A SMALL PATCH OF EARTH, AND DUG A HOLE. THEREIN I FOUND THESE FIVE GOLDEN PLATES."
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 8:32 PM on October 22, 2012 [10 favorites]


There are simply too many states with a clear incentive to retain the system for it to ever get past the requisite number of states even if it could get through Congress.

It doesn't need to get through Congress. The NPVIC kicks in as soon as 270 EVs sign up.
posted by Talez at 8:33 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


VOTE OR I WILL STAND OUTSIDE YOUR WINDOW STARING AT YOU JUST OUTSIDE THE CORNER OF YOUR EYE AND WHEN YOU TURN TO LOOK I'LL VANISH BEHIND A TREE.


THE BLAIR WHELK PROJECT


That's actually really scary...

I'm not getting any sleep anytime soon.

posted by Skygazer at 8:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


vuron, the cool thing is that you don't need a constitutional amendment to get rid of the EC.

Most of the states in the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact so far are the bluest of the blue, but if Obama wins this election while losing the popular vote, I bet you'll start to see some Southern and Western states popping up on that map.
posted by saturday_morning at 8:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


"A collection of things we used to have more of"
posted by neroli at 8:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Though I think it's important to add that it was tragic that Obama completely phoned in the first debate ...

I don't. I think Obama supporters needed a reality check. Having a candidate with a clear, factual, informed, intelligent and broad vision for peace and economic recovery is not enough. He can't do it alone.

How many times have we seen substance lose to style in America? The forces opposing progressive politics are organized, committed and monied. They know how to fight and they will fight viciously no matter how much they are shown to have muddled and dangerous ideas.
posted by Surfurrus at 8:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Lulu's Pink Converse: “My daughter just asked what she would have to do to run for president. What say you, MetaFilter?”

the most important thing for her to do right now is make sure she's born in the United States
posted by koeselitz at 8:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Don't knock the amphibious vehicles. Those Duck Boats are great for tourism.
posted by maryr at 8:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


The National Popular Vote thing is a trainwreck waiting to happen -- as far as I can tell, there's nothing to stop states from pulling out after the fact if they decide they prefer the results the other way...
posted by gerryblog at 8:35 PM on October 22, 2012


I'd also focus efforts on Virginia (very winnable!) and Florida (still within grasp, but uphill climb).
posted by Theta States at 8:35 PM on October 22, 2012


The US army has not issued bayonets to soldiers in Afghanistan, nor did it in Iraq. The US military's last bayonet charge was in 1951, in Korea.
Well by that measurement nuclear weapons are more obsolete than bayonets. That might actually be true, but the point still stands. Modern militaries still have bayonets, still train with them, and can still issue them. The bayonet is not obsolete in the way that the horse is. The US military will enact another bayonet charge long before another cavalry charge. Anyway, this is a silly argument.
"Governor, I knew Thucydides. Thucydides was a friend of mine. You are no Thucydides."
Obama is Pericles, Romney is Cleon. Sure, Pericles is a great statesman, but Cleon may surprise you, much to your dismay.
posted by Jehan at 8:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Power move: Obama gives Tag a hug.

Forget Tagg, has anyone seen Josh?
posted by homunculus at 8:36 PM on October 22, 2012


I don't know about that, maryr.
posted by wintermind at 8:37 PM on October 22, 2012


HuronBob: "I just signed up to help locally (making donations was too easy)... I suggest that everyone consider doing that...."


I would love to live in a country where I could do that, and not have it create fallout for my elementary aged kid. But I don't. I live in Texas.
posted by dejah420 at 8:38 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


Fewer. The phrase was fewer bayonets.
posted by Orange Pamplemousse at 8:38 PM on October 22, 2012 [9 favorites]


My daughter just asked what she would have to do to run for president. What say you, MetaFilter?

First, be smart from the very beginning.
posted by maryr at 8:39 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


but Cleon may surprise you, much to your dismay


TEAM ANTIGONE AND HER RIGHTEOUS RAGE
posted by The Whelk at 8:40 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


The bayonet is not obsolete in the way that the horse is.

Horses are used by the U.S. regularly in Afghanistan...
posted by one_bean at 8:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


MY ENEMY IS MY ENEMY, EVEN IN DEATH.

Yeah, I was Cleon in a play once. I didn't really know the context. I figured he was just, y'know, a Klingon.
posted by maryr at 8:41 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


THE BLAIR WHELK PROJECT

just hovering over you while you sleep.

"heeeeeeeey"

"go away"

"we should do shoooooooots"

"no"

"and talk about teeeeeen wolf"

*whimper*
posted by The Whelk at 8:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [20 favorites]


More from Charlie Rose:

John Heileman: The Romney camp probably think's it can keep making more improvements in the battleground states.

Mark Helprin: But Obama has a good floor (?) in the battleground states and and he's not hemorrhaging support at all (Hieleman nods vigorously at this), and Obama has the absolute stronger, state of the art, (light-years advanced from even their 2008 GOTV ground game) ground game in Ohio and the other battleground states.

Helprin also pointed out how early voting is going to be a huge advantage for Obama.


Everyone (Al Hunt, John Dickerson, Gwen Ifill etc...) is talking Obama's superior ground game now...
posted by Skygazer at 8:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I figured he was just, y'know, a Klingon.

I have a bold new idea for how to stage a greek drama festival.
posted by The Whelk at 8:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Romney's 5 biggest lies in the first half of the debate
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


horsesandbayonets.tumblr.com is king of the internet for a day.
posted by Turkey Glue at 8:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


It started with John Winthrop and his "shining city on a hill" sermon at the founding of the Massachusettes Bay colonies. It's been echoed a lot across the years, including by Kennedy and Reagan.

Reagan's use of "city on a hill" had almost nothing to with Winthrop's meaning. Check out Sarah Vowell's The Wordy Shipmates for a great explanation.
posted by benito.strauss at 8:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Geek drama festival!
posted by saturday_morning at 8:44 PM on October 22, 2012


I have a bold new idea for how to stage a greek drama festival.

Oh hi you must be new to the internet.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:44 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


koeselitz: "Lulu's Pink Converse: “My daughter just asked what she would have to do to run for president. What say you, MetaFilter?”

the most important thing for her to do right now is make sure she's born in the United States
"

She was. But we have also established her Canadian citizenship (my husband was born in Canada of American citizens, and holds dual citizenship). We made sure to do that when she was born, as GWB was President, and we wanted to keep all options open for her. Would that be a problem?
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 8:45 PM on October 22, 2012


it's not the internet if you do it at Lincoln center
posted by The Whelk at 8:45 PM on October 22, 2012


You can tell Obama did well because the right wing media is not even trying to spin this as a Romney win:
Drudge: "Grand Finale" with photo of Obama looking tired, + new random scandals
National Review: 8 mini-headlines, most positive are "Focus-grouped Romney edges disainful Obama" and "Romney Should Be Pleased"
Fox:"Romney Pitches Foreign Policy Shift, As Obama Defends Record Abroad"
posted by msalt at 8:46 PM on October 22, 2012


(quickly rewrites Lysistrata to be about reactor cores)
posted by The Whelk at 8:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


UHURA IN AULIS
posted by The Whelk at 8:46 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I presume POTUS got in close to Tagg and said:

Now watch this drive, motherfucker.
posted by spitbull at 8:47 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


guys let's all talk about greek tragedy
posted by shakespeherian at 8:48 PM on October 22, 2012


GREAT SUMMARY HERE
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 8:48 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Nuclear weapons are also useless. We should get rid of them.
posted by humanfont at 8:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


horsesandbayonets.tumblr.com


Holy crap, the internet is so mean.

But so so funny...



Houston, we have achieved meme velocity.

posted by Skygazer at 8:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


The point wasn't that there are NO bayonets or horses - we still use both - but that we need far fewer, because we have another century of war technology added to it.
posted by Miko at 8:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [6 favorites]


Right-wingers are saying this debate didn't matter, because Romney won the first one...?
posted by Theta States at 8:50 PM on October 22, 2012


Around the world perceptions of Obama-Romney contest
Much of the Chinese coverage of the presidential campaign has focused less on who might win than on China-bashing rhetoric from the candidates.

Obama and Romney have had heated exchanges about China’s alleged currency manipulation, unfair trade practices and the loss of American jobs, each accusing the other of being soft on the issues. The fear in China is that the victor will find it hard to dial back the tone after the election.

The Foreign Ministry and the official Xinhua News Agency last week took the unusual step of commenting on the U.S. election and urging both candidates to cool it.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


guys let's all talk about greek tragedy

the concept of hubris/humility
posted by The Whelk at 8:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


> Right-wingers are saying this debate didn't matter, because Romney won the first one...?

Well, then this election shouldn't matter, because Obama won the first one.
posted by mrzarquon at 8:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [28 favorites]


Romney: "I agree with Obama! But with more anger! And words!"
posted by msalt at 8:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


.... we have another century of war technology ...

says everything about American foreign policy
posted by Surfurrus at 8:51 PM on October 22, 2012


If you're voting Romney at this point you are a failed human being and you hate America.

Simple as that.
posted by bardic at 8:51 PM on October 22, 2012 [11 favorites]


I'm surprised the Republicans haven't realised that they have 79 electoral votes sitting in their back pocket for Romney right now.

I wonder if they'll use them because they probably won't get the chance to pull off a stunt like it ever again.
posted by Talez at 8:52 PM on October 22, 2012


I UNDERSTAND THAT MOST OF THE HORSES AND BAYONETS ARE NOW REMOTE DRONE HORSES AND BAYONETS, CODENAME MK-RAFALCA
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 8:52 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


I might just be shallow enough to be cheering that Chicago beat Detroit just now on Monday Night Football.
posted by cashman at 8:53 PM on October 22, 2012


Register To Vote
posted by bardic at 8:53 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


we have also established her Canadian citizenship

Your daughter would probably have to renounce that citizenship for a Presidential race, unless the country changes radically in the next 40 years. Teabaggers of the Future would make a lot of noise about how "this commie's gonna steal all our maple syrup and give it to the canucks!"

I also wonder, on a serious note, if there couldn't be a reasonable challenge brought on the 'natural-born' thing. Seems like dual-citizenship would go against the intent of that constitutional rule.
posted by honestcoyote at 8:54 PM on October 22, 2012


I really hope that tomorrow morning, Romney supporters and spinners will be arguing in support of horses and bayonets in modern warfare. Think about that for a few seconds. It makes this election zoooom past 2008 in the absurdity stakes.
posted by gofargogo at 8:55 PM on October 22, 2012


One of my aphorisms is never take any commentator on military affairs or foreign policy seriously unless they've read Thucydides. Only one of the men on stage tonight gave any indication being even passingly familiar with The Peloponnesian War. That is the man I will vote for.

We know how The Peloponnesian Wars went. Ill-informed citizens voting of their own free will in imperfect democratic systems, mostly in favour of a series of ongoing complicated military entanglements, which eventually ended in disaster for everyone involved, including the winners (mostly over-simplified, except for the disaster part).
posted by ovvl at 8:56 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


WE HAVE A BAYONET GAP WITH RUSSIA! IRAN IS BUILDING A GIANT BAYONET AS WE SPEAK!
posted by honestcoyote at 8:57 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


The better to kill all the bad guys with.
posted by ceribus peribus at 8:57 PM on October 22, 2012


My daughter just asked what she would have to do to run for president. What say you, MetaFilter?

Stay in school, become awesome, and talk down to the people who hate themselves, because they love that, and it helps everybody get on the same page. Oh yeah, run as a woman.
posted by Brian B. at 8:58 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Is there a bayonets in spinning centrifuges tumblr yet?
posted by shakespeherian at 8:59 PM on October 22, 2012


I'm surprised the Republicans haven't realised that they have 79 electoral votes sitting in their back pocket for Romney right now.

I wonder if they'll use them because they probably won't get the chance to pull off a stunt like it ever again.


Wait what now?
posted by jason_steakums at 8:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


What Happens After You Label a Country a Currency Manipulator?
Contrary to Romney’s suggestion, the law doesn’t actually give the president authority to immediately impose punitive tariffs on manipulators, and the Economic Policy Institute has suggested that such a move would violate U.S. commitments under the World Trade Organization, which require that trade spates be worked out through the organization’s the dispute settlement mechanism — potentially a years-long process.

Romney’s move might carry more firepower if Congress were to pass the Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Act of 2011, a bill that would deem currency manipulation a form of subsidy and require the Commerce Department to consider what tariffs could be issued in the response. Perhaps ironically for Romney, the bill, which has already passed overwhelmingly in the Senate, was sponsored by Ohio Democrat Sherrod Brown — one of the Senate’s most liberal members — but faces opposition in the House from Republican leaders John Boehner and Eric Cantor.

Of course, just because the legal ramifications of the manipulator label are unclear doesn’t mean the political consequences wouldn’t be major. Romney’s comments last night were enough to prompt threats of a currency war in China’s state media. Such a move on “day one” of the Romney administration would certainly send a message — but more of a symbolic than a legal one.
posted by cashman at 8:59 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


CENTRIFUGES FULL OF BAYONETS
posted by elizardbits at 9:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


goddammit shakes
posted by elizardbits at 9:00 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Is there a bayonets in spinning centrifuges tumblr yet?

Not yet.
posted by Talez at 9:02 PM on October 22, 2012


It will be interesting to see if there is any substantial movement in the polls out of this debate. If things stay completely level then Obama will probably get somewhere around 290 electoral votes. If Obama moves it 2% then he'll get a 332 or so landslide and if Romney moves it 2% then it will be a narrow Romney win. Short of some really awful or really awesome BLS number or something like an Israel attack on Iran (unlikely) I just don't think Romney has been able to do enough damage to Obama to seal the deal.

Now maybe Gallup is closer to accurate but they are such an extreme outlier anymore I don't think they can be considered to be remotely accurate even though they are generating a massive amount of noise. If there is a substantial correction in Gallup polling then this election will almost certainly slip away from Romney.
posted by vuron at 9:03 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama should send Romney the The Final Countdown movie, or the 1632 book series. And Kerry calling Romney the Wikipedia candidate was funny, and true as hell. To think Romney could ever be President, in this day and age, should be totally laughable to 47 percent...oh wait!
posted by Flex1970 at 9:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


So upon reflection, all I really got from this debate was the sense Romney is literally trying to lead from behind.
posted by wierdo at 9:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


From behind a horse.
posted by Skygazer at 9:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


A horse with an affixed bayonet.
posted by hippybear at 9:12 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney is literally trying to lead from behind.

bossy bottoms man....
posted by The Whelk at 9:13 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney, horses, and submarines. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Here's a cold war warning about our Amphibious Cavalry Gap with the USSR:
Intelligence reports coming out of Soviet Central Asia and Siberia indicate that the Soviets have undertaken an extensive horse-breeding program. The number of horses in the USSR increased fifteen percent (or forty-two percent [reports vary]) in the period 1968 - 1971. These figures indicate that the Soviet planners have assigned horse-breeding a high priority.

The question now arises: What place does this crash program occupy in Soviet strategic thinking? Here we can only speculate; but in the light of the Soviet Union's known expansionist aims, it behooves us to consider the possibility that they intend to use those horses against us. . . .

[Due to the accident of geography, our cities ] are at least four times as vulnerable to amphibious attack as the USSR. When one considers that they also have more horses than we do, the seriousness of the amphibious cavalry gap becomes apparent.

So if the Soviets are planning a sneak amphibious cavalry attack on the US, they will almost certainly use submarines, and will be building a larger submarine fleet. This, we find, is precisely what they are doing. The Soviet Union now has 401 submarines to only 152 for the United States.

Is there any hope of overcoming the disparity between our military capacity and that of the Soviets caused by our greater vulnerability?

[ . . .]

-- "The Amphibious Cavalry Gap" by J. J. Trembly (as told to James E. Thompson); Analog, Feb 1974.
posted by Herodios at 9:17 PM on October 22, 2012 [8 favorites]


I'm surprised the Republicans haven't realised that they have 79 electoral votes sitting in their back pocket for Romney right now.

I wonder if they'll use them because they probably won't get the chance to pull off a stunt like it ever again.
What are you referring to?
posted by Flunkie at 9:18 PM on October 22, 2012


koeselitz: I missed most of this debate. How did Obama refer to Thucydides?
He didn't. It was a comment I made to my friend while watching the debate because I thought that Romney's apparent ignorance of history disqualified him as a serious candidate for President. Then you laughed and the kids laughed and the dog laughed and I died a little inside. Naturally, I'll be including a link to The Peloponnesian War in my profile now.

In all seriousness though, I wish more politicians would read Thucydides.
posted by ob1quixote at 9:18 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney will create 12 million jobs under his plan. Moody's predicts f we stay the course we will have 12.3 million new jobs in the next four years. So he is really proposing to eliminate 300,000 jobs.
posted by humanfont at 9:19 PM on October 22, 2012 [17 favorites]


So if the Soviets are planning a sneak amphibious cavalry attack on the US, they will almost certainly use submarines

Wut? I mean...wut? Horses on...submarines? I guess the air force would get unicorns in this scenario?
posted by never used baby shoes at 9:24 PM on October 22, 2012


pegasi
posted by twist my arm at 9:27 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


Horses on...submarines?

The family-friendly comedy really writes itself, here.
posted by meese at 9:28 PM on October 22, 2012


Romney's Detroit op-ed's going to continue to kill him in Ohio, and Obama really really stuck it to him on that one tonight. Romney was so nervous defending that. He just looked sweaty and uncomfortable. I'm thinking that, right there, was this election, period.

From what I've learned, the car industry is strong in Ohio, and it's the reason Obama's established a good firewall in that area against this late stage encroachment from the antediluvian W. Romton Abbey.

I think, aforementioned encroachment is going to bleed off for Romney. But Gallup needs to figure out what the frickin' hell is going on with it's whacked LV poll.
posted by Skygazer at 9:28 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I thought it was cute when Obama shook hands with one of Romney's grandchildren at the end of the debate.

(CNN) Debate viewers split 48% for Obama and 40% for Romney in the poll, a margin within the sampling error of plus or minus 4.5%
posted by Golden Eternity at 9:30 PM on October 22, 2012


It's a shame the USSR weren't able to splice gills onto the horses. Using submarines to deliver regular horses would be a blood bath as the submarines would need to surface but aquatic horses would maintain a stealthy approach until they could charge the beaches.

It's pretty clear that in order to keep our military supremacy vs the unwashed hordes we need a crash program to develop geneseed for Space Marine legions.
posted by vuron at 9:31 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Horse-torpedoes might work.
posted by Skygazer at 9:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Adam Gopnik from the New Yorker:
We still make primitive narratives of nemesis—we are making them today, and shall make more and more—out of what are, at heart, contingencies of accident and economic cycles.

If Romney should win, we will be told that Obama’s Presidency was doomed by fatal flaws evident to all from the beginning, and all that he has done will be tainted. His isolation, his inability to reach out to his partners, his creation of hopes which could never be fulfilled, his failure to coax and wheedle and court the Congresses as Lincoln and Johnson are now imagined to have done—the result in Ohio was predestined.

If, on the other hand, say, minorities in Cleveland should turn out in big numbers, and Obama wins by a narrow margin… why, then Obama will be like Lincoln, a battler who pulled it out, kept his cool, saw it through, and remade his country in his own image. What happens in the next three weeks will not just shape what happens next—it will dictate all that is said about all that had happened before (para spacing mine)
Shorter Herzberg on today's debate:

Mitt Romney essentially supports Barack Obama’s foreign policy in almost every particular. The question is: Whom do you trust more to carry out Barack Obama’s foreign policy, Mitt Romney or Barack Obama?
posted by the cydonian at 9:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [28 favorites]


The first debate was 1960 (with some irregular predecessors) I hope they don't continue like this for another 50 years. The live audience turns it into a sporting spectacle. Maybe we need something like private chats ala Charlie Rose style where more intelligence can be had. There are so many genres it could be done.
posted by stbalbach at 9:35 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


"2073 new comments, show"

Sweet jeebus.
posted by cmyk at 9:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


I'd like to see presidential debates in the horror genre with lots of gore.
posted by Skygazer at 9:36 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'm looking forward to the time when the Presidential debates are settled mano-a-mano like Kirk and Spock fighting using those Vulcan weapons.

Why watch verbal sparring when you can watch a real fight to death.

Obama would totally destroy Romney in this sort of fight.
posted by vuron at 9:40 PM on October 22, 2012


I'd like to see presidential debates in the horror genre with lots of gore.

Not to beat around the bush, but didn't they have that for the 2000 season?
posted by the cydonian at 9:42 PM on October 22, 2012 [15 favorites]


Keep in mind that 2000+ comments on a night when there is a game 7 in the NLCS and Monday Night football. Obama vs Romney is the new national pasttime.
posted by vuron at 9:42 PM on October 22, 2012


There are so many genres it could be done.

From Wikipedia:
The series of seven debates in 1858 between Abraham Lincoln and Senator Stephen A. Douglas for U.S. Senate were true, face-to-face debates, with no moderator; the candidates took it in turns to open each debate with a one-hour speech, then the other candidate had an hour and a half to rebut, and finally the first candidate closed the debate with a half-hour response.
The Lincoln/Douglas Debates (SCTV).
posted by mazola at 9:42 PM on October 22, 2012


Once again, I voice my support for a pinball showdown.
posted by Room 641-A at 9:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [4 favorites]


Obama would totally destroy Romney in this sort of fight.

When Bush beat Richards in the gubernatorial race in Texas, my 15-year-old brother called me at college to say "They shoulda done that as a trial by combat. That way Richards would have been guaranteed to have won."
posted by KathrynT at 9:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


There is some sort of perfect mega storm maybe headed for the Mid-Atlantic and New England. Eight days before the election.
posted by stbalbach at 9:43 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm looking forward to the time when the Presidential debates are settled mano-a-mano like Kirk and Spock fighting using those Vulcan weapons.

Why watch verbal sparring when you can watch a real fight to death.

Obama would totally destroy Romney in this sort of fight.
Well of course Obama would win with Vulcan weapons.
posted by Flunkie at 9:49 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney seems suprised to learn about submarines and aircraft carriers
posted by humanfont at 9:51 PM on October 22, 2012


just chiming in to say that Obama's response on Israel was nothing short of masterful - fucking Clintonesque. And clearly not rehearsed. Not sure if Florida is still in play, but that definitely turned some heads.
posted by fingers_of_fire at 10:09 PM on October 22, 2012 [5 favorites]


perfect mega storm maybe headed for the Mid-Atlantic and New England

Quick, someone get Clooney to West coast!
posted by Slackermagee at 10:10 PM on October 22, 2012


Nothing Is Foreign to the Liar Willard Romney Anymore: A Report from the Flippy-Floppy Final Debate of 2012
posted by homunculus at 10:50 PM on October 22, 2012 [3 favorites]


gerryblog: The National Popular Vote thing is a trainwreck waiting to happen -- as far as I can tell, there's nothing to stop states from pulling out after the fact if they decide they prefer the results the other way...

Actually, the law stipulates that the compact only takes effect once it achieves a majority of electoral votes before July 20th of a presidential election year, and at that point, states that wish to join or withdraw from the national popular vote compact would not be able to do so until January 20th of the following year.
posted by malapropist at 11:06 PM on October 22, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh good, more worrying voting machine stuff. (pdf)
posted by jason_steakums at 11:07 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


Vulcan Obama is a cold-blooded precision killing machine.
posted by polyhedron at 11:09 PM on October 22, 2012


Rove, to Mittens, afterwards:

WHERE DID YOU LEARN YOUR TRADE

WHOEVER TOLD YOU THAT YOU COULD WORK WITH MEN
posted by sixswitch at 11:34 PM on October 22, 2012 [2 favorites]


homunculus Esquire link:

My god, Romney actually said that America doesn't install dictators, ignoring the fact that we've had these problems with Iran for 60 years precisely because we overthrew an elected president and installed a friendly dictator whose rule was so bloodthirsty that religious fanatics ran him out, imprisoned our embassy officials, and gave Ben Affleck a chance 30 years later to direct a cool movie. Do we honestly have to count them all off? Somoza? Rios Montt? Pinochet? And, yes, Saddam Hussein. Romney sounded like he was taking history at one of those Jesus-on-a-dinosaur middle schools that "Bobby" Jindal has opened in Louisiana.

my monitor is all sizzling and shit

it's like.. I get why a neocon candidate could be a viable option right now. like how being ruled by a right-wing hard-ass could benefit this country in some ways. and even though the factors involved, in our heavily globalized society, are far outside the control of any one head of state and the country he presides over, there's been a whole lot of fucking real pain in the last 5 years and it's not hard to desire a real drastic change to make the pain stop. it won't, of course. but that guy has to have real charisma, that 'something' that Romney just doesn't seem to have. I LOVE Obama as our president. I love what it says about our country that he made his way into that office. but I also don't necessarily have an issue with a Republican president. but even the Republicans don't like Romney. and after 4 years where they made it exceedingly difficult for our current president to do get a lot done, why is it in anyone's interest to elect another guy they don't like? Romney is the "anything but Obama" candidate; the same ridiculous game the GOP has been playing since he took office. I'd LOVE to see a real, viable, smart right wing candidate in a few years. but the way that party acts now, I just don't know that they can actually make that happen.
posted by ninjew at 11:43 PM on October 22, 2012


YOU WOULDN'T KNOW A SMALL BUSINESS IF IT BIT YOU ON THE ASS MITTENS

Oh, that reminds me, winter's around the corner and need to get some new ass mittens.
posted by krinklyfig at 12:23 AM on October 23, 2012 [9 favorites]


Naturally, I'll be including a link to The Peloponnesian War in my profile now.

I've had a quote from it in my profile for years that I think plays well in any American foreign policy debate.
For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretences- either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed; and in return we hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Lacedaemonians, although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 12:46 AM on October 23, 2012 [4 favorites]


I'm looking forward to 2016 presidential debates on MetaFilter, with jessamyn and cortex as moderators.
posted by mbrubeck at 12:48 AM on October 23, 2012 [1 favorite]


Slightly off-topic but did we get anymore on the October surprises promised by Trump or Gloria Allred?
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 12:51 AM on October 23, 2012


I get why a neocon candidate could be a viable option right now. like how being ruled by a right-wing hard-ass could benefit this country in some ways.

I'm curious what you imagine a "right wing hardass" is anymore. Iraq and the Bush years revealed the true face of the GOP: a power-crazed loyalty cult. That's all they were all along. When Colin Powell held up that vial of bullshit, he killed the myth of the good conservative.

So.. who is this neocon right wing hardass, and how would his or her presidency benefit the US? I can't even imagine it, but then I am a shrill partisan moonbat liberal.
posted by fleacircus at 12:53 AM on October 23, 2012 [8 favorites]


Re: October Surprises.

A plague on anyone who holds on to a genuinely damning piece of information about a political candidate until right before an election. My gravest curse on anyone who, for their own ego's satisfaction, attempts to falsely sway the electorate with bullshit. May they die covered in painful, festering boils. May their line be barren and swiftly extinct. May those who support and enable them bring pain and sorrow down upon their families for a thousand years. May those who are swayed to change their votes by such gross tactics never know another true night's rest or feel peace in their soul until the end of their days.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:02 AM on October 23, 2012 [8 favorites]


I'd LOVE to see a real, viable, smart right wing candidate in a few years. but the way that party acts now, I just don't know that they can actually make that happen.

You pretty much have one already. In fact, he's already president.
posted by wobh at 1:40 AM on October 23, 2012 [41 favorites]


For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretences- either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed; and in return we hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Lacedaemonians, although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments