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It's Time For Another Woman Moderator for the U.S. Presidential Debate!
October 16, 2012 2:39 PM   Subscribe

Ever since the first televised general election presidential debate was held on September 26, 1960, between U.S. Senator John F. Kennedy, the Democratic nominee, and Vice President Richard Nixon, the Republican nominee the vast majority of moderators have been men. "Why haven’t women moderated a presidential debate in the past 20 years, especially when women vote more than men?"*

"When ABC News' Carole Simpson was hired as the first female and African American presidential debate moderator in 1992, it never occurred to her that two decades would pass without another being chosen. But in the years since she slung questions at candidates George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Ross Perot, not one woman has been chosen for the role"*

This evening, CNN's Candy Crowley moderates a town-hall style debate between President Obama and Governor Mitt Romney.
posted by ericb (3061 comments total) 42 users marked this as a favorite

 
And ... Candy Crowley's selection as a moderator was likely influenced by a Change.org petition hosted by three teen girls:
Woman Moderator Petition: Teen Girls Fight For First Female Moderator For 2012 Presidential Debates
posted by ericb at 2:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


I was kind of hoping one of the debates would be moderated by three teen girls.
posted by mazola at 2:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [31 favorites]


Is my memory failing me? Didn't Gwen Eiffel do one last time, or was that the veeps?
posted by trackofalljades at 2:50 PM on October 16, 2012


I'll be more excited when there's a woman on the other side of this stage.
posted by delfin at 2:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


Is my memory failing me? Didn't Gwen Eiffel do one last time, or was that the veeps?

She has hosted only V.P. debates (2004, 2008).
posted by ericb at 2:53 PM on October 16, 2012


It would also be nice if the CPD were replaced by the League of Women Voters, but that horse will probably never re-enter the barn.
posted by Jpfed at 2:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [15 favorites]


Both campaigns have now complained about Crowley in advance of the debate. The campaigns signed a ‘Memo Of Understanding,’ with the Commission for Presidential Debates, but Crowley has said she doesn't feel bound by it and will ask follow-up questions if the candidates' answers are evasive.
posted by zarq at 3:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [34 favorites]


Note that both times women have moderated a Presidential debate they have been "town hall" style debates rather than the more traditional forum. The moderator of a town hall debate is supposed to be more or less a complete wallflower and it kind of offends me that both times women have done the moderation they get pawned off on these town halls.

The rules both candidates have agreed to for tonight's debate indicate Crowley is not allowed to do anything except hand the microphone to people. No rephrasing the questions, no follow-ups or asking for clarification, nada. My understanding is that Crowley herself has not agreed to these rules, but I don't know if that means she has actively not agreed to them and intends to be more active, or that they just never bothered to ask her to agree to them.

Personally, I hope she says screw your bullshit rules and goes renegade.
posted by Justinian at 3:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [28 favorites]


Oh, thanks zarq! So Crowley has actively disagreed with the rules.
posted by Justinian at 3:03 PM on October 16, 2012


mazola: "I was kind of hoping one of the debates would be moderated by three teen girls."

Ew. Seriously? So gross.
posted by schmod at 3:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [28 favorites]


Based on last weeks VP debate, maybe only women should moderate.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 3:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [48 favorites]


Eh, there are plenty of men who could do a bang up job. Unfortunately Lehrer's time has passed. I hope that was the last time he is allowed near a debate.
posted by Justinian at 3:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


I don't necessarily believe in the whole 11 dimension chess of Obama's campaigning theory... but signing the Memo of Understanding with Romney seems like a great move (whether or not they agree with it -- which I think they, sadly, probably do, but I don't know) -- it increases the chances that Crowley ups the follow-ups (which is good if/when Romney evades all over the place) and if Romney's campaign complains about Crowley's follow-ups being against the rules, they can say "Look, we agree with you - sorry chumps."
posted by MCMikeNamara at 3:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'd like to see someone other than a TV news reader moderate the debates.
posted by Longtime Listener at 3:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


Thanks for the post, ericb. Raddatz was very good last time. It looks like Crowley intends to moderate instead of just being in the room.
posted by ersatz at 3:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I don't know why there has to be a moderator. Just put them both up there and let 'em go at it. It'd make much more interesting TV... but probably hasten the end of the republic.
posted by ennui.bz at 3:18 PM on October 16, 2012


Or maybe the networks should tell the candidates that they will ask whatever questions they want and if someone doesn't want to show up they will stick up a picture of a chicken on a lectern in their place and broadcast that for an hour.
posted by biffa at 3:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [21 favorites]


This is the new debate thread? good enough!
posted by Theta States at 3:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


She gets time after the initial response to "foster a discussion." What could that mean if not ask follow up questions?
posted by m@f at 3:26 PM on October 16, 2012


Between Raddatz's impressive handling of the veep debates and Crowley's response to the "Memo of Understanding" malarkey (thanks zarq!), I think I might have to write in Raddatz/Crowley 2012 in a few weeks.
posted by katya.lysander at 3:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Have we established a Memo of Understanding for this thread yet?
posted by mazola at 3:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Take the discussion home, show it its new bedroom, introduce it to its new brother and sister...
posted by cortex at 3:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


Or maybe the networks should tell the candidates that they will ask whatever questions they want and if someone doesn't want to show up they will stick up a picture of a chicken on a lectern in their place and broadcast that for an hour.

Minus the chicken picture, it's been done.
posted by delfin at 3:28 PM on October 16, 2012


Justinian: " So Crowley has actively disagreed with the rules."

Yep. Hopefully she'll turn in more of a Raddatz performance than a Lehrer.

Longtime Listener: "I'd like to see someone other than a TV news reader moderate the debates."

That's one of the reasons why Raddatz was a good choice. She's a senior reporter with great foreign policy chops, and in her career has been her network's State Department and White House correspondent. She's also reported from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq quite extensively.
posted by zarq at 3:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


I hope Crowley is smart enough to ignore the contract that prohibits followups and has other silly rules. Screw the rules the candidates wrote lets have a debate.
posted by humanfont at 3:31 PM on October 16, 2012


ennui.bz: "I don't know why there has to be a moderator. Just put them both up there and let 'em go at it. It'd make much more interesting TV... but probably hasten the end of the republic."

Give 'em a bunch of weapons, lock 'em in until only one is left alive. Play the Star Trek Amok Time music during the battle and I'd watch.
posted by zarq at 3:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Former Gov. Granholm and Steve Schmidt were on Today this morning. When asked what debate questions they would ask, Granholm suggested asking Romney whether he would hold Supreme Court nominees to a litmus test and Schmidt suggested asking Obama what he would do differently in the next four years than he has done in the past four (imo, the better question).

My dream question: "Governor Romney, you have stated you will shut down Planned Parenthood. How will you ensure that uninsured women obtain equivalent health screening and testing services such as pap smears for the little to no cost they currently pay PP?"

(Although I won't lie, I would laugh if someone stood up and asked "Pepperoni or sausage?" They played the clip this morning of an audience member asking Clinton "boxers or briefs" and it was pretty shocking to watch, even now.)
posted by sallybrown at 3:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


She gets time after the initial response to "foster a discussion." What could that mean if not ask follow up questions?

Great, now you've got me imagining Linda Richman as a debate moderator:

[candidate answers question with Inspiring Story Of An Injured Veteran #38]
Richman: "I'm all verklempt...." (gestures to candidates) "Tawk amongst yourselves... I'll give you a topic: Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island. Discuss."
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 3:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


I would love it if someone would ask Romney to explain why he paid more tax than he owed for 2011, when he has so famously said that paying more in taxes than is necessary should be disqualifying for the Presidency.

I'd like someone to ask Obama why the hell we haven't gotten out of Afghanistan yet.
posted by ambrosia at 3:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


mazola: "I was kind of hoping one of the debates would be moderated by three teen girls."

Ew. Seriously? So gross.


what you did there, I see it.

before all the capslock starts happening in here, I'm going to say right now I am hoping for the real Obama to step up tonight. plus isn't there an actual mefite in attendance as well? so that has to mean it will go well..

Take the discussion home, show it its new bedroom, introduce it to its new brother and sister...

BUT WE ALREADY PLAYED THERE WE WANT A NEW TOY WAAH
posted by ninjew at 3:41 PM on October 16, 2012


What I want to see is to have the moderator break up the speechifying and to zero in on very specific issues in the debate. With facts taking such a backseat in this campaign season, why not use the debates to try to pin down some factual issues once and for all (not that I have much hope, but let's dream)?

Like when Romney rattles off his 12-point list on how Obamacare will doom us all, the moderator can try to force Obama to set aside most of those points for a moment and focus the debate just on the $716 billion in alleged Medicare cuts. Say we're not leaving and we're not moving on until that issue is resolved and bring that issue to as much of a resolution as is possible. Repeat ad nauseam.

I don't doubt that a debate like this would get pretty wonkish and technical (and heated!), but that would actually seem to suit both candidates. Frankly, I'd just like to see some of the basic factual points arguments that have been flying around settled once and for all, and the only time that is going to happen is when both candidates are on stage together. There's plenty of legitimate room to debate actual policy, but these debates have become a game of "the sky is green!" and "any fool can see the sky is clearly red." You just can't debate anything of substance without some shared framework of factual reality and logic.
posted by zachlipton at 3:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Extra points if she calls him Congressman Romney.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Give 'em a bunch of weapons, lock 'em in until only one is left alive. Play the Star Trek Amok Time music during the battle and I'd watch.

What I think the debate commission should do is wire up each candidate to receive electric shocks administered by their opponent with the voltage increasing with each shock. BUT, the catch is that the first candidate to pass out will be considered to have won the debate.
posted by ennui.bz at 3:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Some details:
"The format focuses on the 80 people that will be here asking questions of the candidates. They've been chosen as uncommitted voters from Nassau County by the Gallup organization."
More details:
All of the tickets allocated to Hofstra University from the Commission on Presidential Debates will be distributed to current students in the days before the debate, as recommended by the CPD and consistent with past practices of debate hosts, including Hofstra in 2008. President Rabinowitz has already clearly stated that he, along with all administrators and faculty, will not take seats within the debate hall but will instead watch the debate at a campus simulcast, in order to allow the maximum number of Hofstra students to attend the debate.
posted by cashman at 3:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Shock collars controlled by the audience. Let's see Romney lie his way out of that.
posted by five fresh fish at 3:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Having a woman moderate the debates is a no-brainer. The male moderators usually vacillate and kowtow, worried about their Q-ratings.
posted by Renoroc at 3:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I wish they didn't limit it to uncommitted voters. I am deeply suspicious of uncommitted voters at this stage in the process. Where the hell have they been all this time?
posted by ambrosia at 3:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [30 favorites]


The audience at Hofstra University -- 80 uncommitted voters from Long Island's Nassau County recruited by Gallup -- will ask the questions

i.e. an audience of the ignorant, dishonest, or willfully obtuse. It's like they set out to create an audience youtube commenters. perfect.
posted by ennui.bz at 3:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [27 favorites]


five fresh fish: "Shock collars controlled by the audience."

That's it from Hofstra University in New York. The Presidential Debates have been brought to you by: Breakaway Paramilitary Uniforms, Ortopure Procreation Pill, and Cadre Cola; it hits the spot! Promotional considerations paid for by: Kelton Flame Throwers, Wainwright Electrical Launchers, and Hammond & Gage Chainsaws. Candy Crowley's wardrobe by Chez Antoinne: 19th-Century craftsmanship for the 21st-Century woman. Cadre Trooper and studio-guard side arms provided by Colchester: the pistol of patriots. Remember: Tickets for the Hofstra University studio tour are always available for Class-A citizens in good standing. If you'd like to be a contestant at The Presidential Debates send a self-addressed stamped envelope to: CPD Talent Hunt, care of your local affiliate or email CPD@commission.org....
posted by zarq at 3:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Oh, yes, our friends, the Undecided Voters, who have such important questions as: (Yes, I've linked to this sketch before, but I am so outraged by the power given to the undecided voter that I just enjoy it that much.)
posted by MCMikeNamara at 3:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [26 favorites]


ambrosia: "Where the hell have they been all this time?"

Undecided voters have some real questions.
posted by Apropos of Something at 3:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Apparently, I'm not needed in the debate thread because my jokes and comments are covered. Have fun everybody!
posted by MCMikeNamara at 3:54 PM on October 16, 2012


Hey man, as long as they don't open up the phone lines to the "independent" or "uncommitted" voters after this dog and pony show is over, I'm happy.

I can't believe so many people in our country had to have someone figure out how to dial the phone for them.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 3:55 PM on October 16, 2012


80 uncommitted voters from Long Island's Nassau County

Unfortunately for us all, Lindsay Lohan already came out in support of a candidate.
posted by sallybrown at 3:55 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm going to go against the conventional wisdom and say that Obama does not have to win the debate. He just has to tie.

I'm of the school that the fundamentals of the election favor Obama, probably by about 3% of the national popular vote or so. See, for instance, the Princeton site. Events can buffet a snapshot back & forth, but the polls and eventually the vote will drift back to 3% where there is not wind at the back of one candidate or another.

Hence, if he at least draws, the polls will drift back to 3% +/-.
posted by JKevinKing at 3:57 PM on October 16, 2012


An undecided voter on the VP debate.
posted by ambrosia at 3:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Unless Mitt audibly poops himself, the media will say he won (I may be a pessimist when it comes to this).
posted by drezdn at 4:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Unless Mitt audibly poops himself, the media will say he won (I may be a pessimist when it comes to this).

That depends on whether you believe his pants will be half full or half empty.
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [21 favorites]


and remember folks, this is a "town hall" style debate. not only will the candidates be wearing shock collars but they will be wandering around the hall twirling their microphones like bad lounge singers... that's right, the 1st annual presidential karaoke contest! can obama beat romney's take on "Call Me Maybe" with his vicious attack version of "(Romney) Somebody I Used to Know."
posted by ennui.bz at 4:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


No matter what happens tonight the media and undecided voter surveys will call it a Romney win.
posted by 2bucksplus at 4:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


I don't know, I'm thinking that a strong-ish Obama performance would be spun as a win, so that they can set up THE TIEBREAKER OF THE CENTURY for next week BE SURE TO TUNE IN.
posted by saturday_morning at 4:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


I wouldn't put it past him to audibly poop himself, he is really not the best at dealing with regular people.
posted by sallybrown at 4:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


romney's take on "Call Me Maybe"

Your a woman
Must have a baby
Legal abortion
I'm for it... maybe.
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:13 PM on October 16, 2012 [14 favorites]


Wouldn't the media be more likely to give Obama the win if they want the narrative to be about a tighter race? Then they can spend the next week going on about the crucial tie-breaking final round.
posted by shortfuse at 4:17 PM on October 16, 2012


I'll be out tonight, so I'm counting on y'all to summarize this for me by the time I get back. Hope Sullivan has had his chamomile tea before the debate starts.
posted by arcticseal at 4:19 PM on October 16, 2012


Give 'em a bunch of weapons, lock 'em in until only one is left alive. Play the Star Trek Amok Time

They should have to take a POTUS version of the Kobayashi Maru.
posted by audi alteram partem at 4:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Yeah, I agree the playing field is tilted against an Obama win. Romney would probably have to have a major gaffe for him to lose. But I also think that a good debate by Obama, no matter what Romney does, will lead to a tie, with conservative & liberal media calling it their respective ways and the middle splitting the difference. That's all Obama needs, IMHO. Romney's metaphorically shitting himself would be gravy... and great!!!
posted by JKevinKing at 4:21 PM on October 16, 2012


Just had an earthquake here in Boston (and New England). Romney is looking to shake things up!
posted by ericb at 4:22 PM on October 16, 2012


Whenever I read articles that include interviews with undecided voters, I want to stab myself in the eyes.
posted by perhapses at 4:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Eric,

Whoa, you're OK I take it!

Maybe the gods are sending a message. Wonder what it is?! ;)
posted by JKevinKing at 4:24 PM on October 16, 2012


I don't know why Candy Crowley was selected when both Robin Meade and Erin Burnett are obviously more qualified.
posted by Tanizaki at 4:26 PM on October 16, 2012


An undecided voter speaks: "I care a whole lot about issue X, and look at how pretty the leaves are on those trees, so I'll probably vote for candidate Y." (Where candidate Y is the one most opposed to issue X."
posted by perhapses at 4:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Actually existing media bias: Questions for tonight’s townhall debate will be drawn from a survey of Nasssu County residents. 73% white, Nassau is the 12th richest county in the US.

I'm kind of dreading this.
posted by gerryblog at 4:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


Unless Mitt audibly poops himself, the media will say he won (I may be a pessimist when it comes to this).

Don't laugh! When someone's that full of shit, it's harder than you think.
posted by indubitable at 4:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


They should have to take a POTUS version of the Kobayashi Maru.

They have one. It's called the Gaza Strip.
posted by delfin at 4:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [18 favorites]


From perhapses link -

"But I give Romney the edge. It just couldn't hurt to get someone new in there."

Oh my...
posted by TwoWordReview at 4:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


An undecided voter speaks: "I care a whole lot about issue X, and look at how pretty the leaves are on those trees, so I'll probably vote for candidate Y." (Where candidate Y is the one most opposed to issue X."

MSNBC literally just ran this segment: A Romney voter whose main issue is speedy withdrawal from Afghanistan.
posted by gerryblog at 4:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Mitt Romney Will Push Obama To 'Man Up' On Libya, Foreign Policy Adviser William Richardson Says (VIDEO)

Hillary Clinton is not a doormat for Obama
Would anyone say that about a male secretary of state? Very likely, no. If a man stood up and took responsibility for a failure in his department, he would be admired as handling the problem with a tough-as-nails manner.
posted by Golden Eternity at 4:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


That depends on whether you believe his pants will be half full or half empty.

Trickling down.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 4:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


I'm not sure I'm gonna make it to the election, y'all. Watching the live stand-up with the people outside the debate venue on Hardball right now is even more depressing than the last time with the "He's a communist. Study it out." woman.
posted by ob1quixote at 4:33 PM on October 16, 2012


4.6 magnitude earthquake with epicenter in Southwestern Maine. Felt from Maine to R.I.
posted by ericb at 4:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


An undecided voter speaks: "I care a whole lot about issue X, and look at how pretty the leaves are on those trees, so I'll probably vote for candidate Y." (Where candidate Y is the one most opposed to issue X."

MSNBC literally just ran this segment: A Romney voter whose main issue is speedy withdrawal from Afghanistan.


From the article perhapses linked: a voter who dislikes "sending jobs overseas" and "would like to see the country move to government-provided universal health care" --> voting for Romney.
posted by sallybrown at 4:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


4.5? Ha ha! Here on the West Coast, we use those little guys to butter our toast! (You hold the knife still and let the bread move around.)
posted by SPrintF at 4:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Obama Excited to Participate in First Debate
posted by moorooka at 4:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Are the Republicans going to say that it's a Democrat conspiracy, same as the hurricane that occurred at the same time as their convention?
posted by arcticseal at 4:39 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm sure all the undecided voters in Maine who are concerned about this earthquake will vote for the candidate who is most likely to cut funding on earthquake research and preparedness.
posted by perhapses at 4:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


The Last Stand for Humanity for an Election in Which Bullshit Is Now the Status Quo: Your Debate Preview

Romney's Vision for Etch-A-Sketch America Takes Hold
posted by homunculus at 4:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Actually existing media bias: Questions for tonight’s townhall debate will be drawn from a survey of Nasssu County residents. 73% white

Which is almost exactly the number for the nation as a whole. Within one percentage point.
posted by Justinian at 4:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Golly!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:42 PM on October 16, 2012


The deeper demographics don't match. And anyway, the median county in the US isn't the 12th richest, is it?
posted by gerryblog at 4:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Dang, new thread! There I was like a dummy hanging out in the old threads and didn't know the party had moved on.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:43 PM on October 16, 2012


The Ten Most Dangerous Town Hall Participants.
posted by lalex at 4:43 PM on October 16, 2012


The campaigns signed a ‘Memo Of Understanding,’ with the Commission for Presidential Debates, but Crowley has said she doesn't feel bound by it and will ask follow-up questions if the candidates' answers are evasive.

Secret Debate Contract Reveals Obama and Romney Campaigns Exclude Third Parties, Control Questions
posted by homunculus at 4:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


And speaking of excluding third parties: Green Party candidate arrested outside debate site
posted by homunculus at 4:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


We're wasting our time talking about this when they've just discovered an planet orbiting Alpha Centauri. The Chinese have already completed two spaceship thrusters and one spaceship hull! We need to research Fusion and Ecology fast.
posted by gerryblog at 4:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


And anyway, the median county in the US isn't the 12th richest, is it?

That seems mathematically unlikely, yes. I was just pointing out the problem isn't that the county was too white. Too rich, sure. But racially it is a very good cross section, comparable to the nation as a whole. Well, its religious demographics are probably a mismatch as Catholics and, particularly, Jews are hugely overrepresented. But racially it is a good fit.

It is Richie McRichverville, though, as you say.
posted by Justinian at 4:47 PM on October 16, 2012


Ooh, those are pretty leaves.
posted by box at 4:49 PM on October 16, 2012


Gerryblog,

I guess we can go and hang out until Golan Trevize, Janov Pelorat & Bliss show up. In the meantime, everyone will be topless!!! (Suspicious timing, that news, with Krugman writing the intro to the new Foundation release & all. Conspiracy!)
posted by JKevinKing at 4:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Dang, new thread! There I was like a dummy hanging out in the old threads and didn't know the party had moved on.

Don't diss the Motherthread like that. <3 Motherthread 4ever!
posted by winna at 4:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Personally I think the county can be "too white" even if the raw top-line numbers match. If I were doing it, I'd pick from a few different counties and cities with demographic profiles that match the way different communities live in the US. Picking from just one very white, very suburban, very rich county basically obliterates the experience of anyone who doesn't fit that mold.
posted by gerryblog at 4:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


homunculus: "The campaigns signed a ‘Memo Of Understanding,’ with the Commission for Presidential Debates, but Crowley has said she doesn't feel bound by it and will ask follow-up questions if the candidates' answers are evasive.

Secret Debate Contract Reveals Obama and Romney Campaigns Exclude Third Parties, Control Questions
"

I don't see how this is news or a surprise. The candidates are not forced to debate anyone. They chose to debate each other and exclude third party candidates - there is no abrogation of rights or justice here. I'm sorry that the candidates don't want to talk to 3rd partiers, but it's their choice.
posted by rebent at 4:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Hillary Clinton is not a doormat for Obama

Conservatives Suddenly Decide Ball Busting Harridan Hillary Clinton Is a Wimpy Doormat
posted by homunculus at 4:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I hold no faith in the polls. I hope that I am not being naive though. One debate gave willard this bump?

The only explanation that I can think of is that all of the uneducated voters tuned in for the first debate and thought, "hey, this guy seems reasonable!".

Also his use of the Gish Gallop debate technique:

Gish has been characterized as using a rapid-fire approach during a debate, presenting arguments and changing topics very quickly. Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education, has dubbed this approach the "Gish Gallop," describing it as "where the creationist is allowed to run on for 45 minutes or an hour, spewing forth torrents of error that the evolutionist hasn't a prayer of refuting in the format of a debate" and criticized Gish for failing to answer objections raised by his opponents. The phrase "Gish Gallop" has come to be used as a pejorative to describe similar debate styles employed by proponents of other, usually fringe beliefs, such as homeopathy or the moon landing hoax.

posted by futz at 4:55 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


If I were doing it, I'd pick from a few different counties and cities with demographic profiles that match the way different communities live in the US.

So you want them to fly in people from all over to ask questions? That's no longer a typical town hall style format. Which, hey, fine. But it seems like a pretty radical change.

The real reason Nassau was picked is undoubtedly twofold. One, because it is a typical swing county. Swing counties tend to be affluent suburbs with a bunch of white people. That's a political reality. Two, because its racial demographics more or less match the nation as a whole. That's ass covering to try to avoid exactly the "too white" charge you're making. So clearly unsuccesful.

I hate pandering to these idiotic swing counties, too, but I understand why they do it and it's a pretty inescapable part of the current electoral system. Kind of like how they always have those shitty Iowa pander debates. Iowa is far more unrepresentative than Nassau County but we're stuck with that crap too.
posted by Justinian at 4:55 PM on October 16, 2012


So you want them to fly in people from all over to ask questions? That's no longer a typical town hall style format. Which, hey, fine. But it seems like a pretty radical change.

New York City is *right there.* What, twenty minutes on the train on a bad day?
posted by gerryblog at 4:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Iowa is far more unrepresentative than Nassau County but we're stuck with that crap too.

Now we're talking. There are problems with representality throughout the system, but this is the one annoying me tonight.
posted by gerryblog at 4:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


NinJew: plus isn't there an actual mefite in attendance as well? so that has to mean it will go well..

Yes, The Whelk will be there hanging out in the spin room, I believe. Hopefully he checks in and gives us some "man on the scene" commentary.

Knowing The Whelk, or The Whelk-y, as I like to call him, he'll probably end up drinking scotch with Obama after the debate.
posted by Skygazer at 4:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


One debate gave willard this bump?

I read somewhere that Romney was treading up before the debate, but I can't find the link now.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:01 PM on October 16, 2012


There is no county in America where you can draw a local sample properly representative of the entire country. Like anyone wants to fly 100 swing voters into one place for a TV appearance. If that really was the intention they'd just tape record their questions.
posted by Hollywood Upstairs Medical College at 5:01 PM on October 16, 2012


They should have a town hall style debate in South Central L.A. On one side of the room would be people dressed in blue; on the other, those dressed in red. The candidates would sit in the middle.
posted by perhapses at 5:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Like anyone wants to fly 100 swing voters into one place for a TV appearance.

That wouldn't be cost prohibitive, and wouldn't be necessary. New York City is very close and would by itself have tons of opportunity for diversity. And there are tons of counties within driving distance besides.

If that really was the intention they'd just tape record their questions.

That would also be better than deliberately skewing the whole thing to rich white people.
posted by gerryblog at 5:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


They should have the debate here in Fairfield County, CT, just across the Sound. We have a diverse population, including both hedge fund managers and bankers.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 5:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Debate hall temp has been negotiated to be between 62 and 64 degrees (wear your long johns).
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 5:06 PM on October 16, 2012


Is there a reliable youtube link for the debate? C-span failed me for the VP debate.
posted by futz at 5:08 PM on October 16, 2012


They should have the debate here in Fairfield County, CT

Hah, that's where I grew up. You forgot insurance executives.
posted by Justinian at 5:08 PM on October 16, 2012


"Uh, thanks for taking my question. I guess I want to know: The Hammers--the Hammers is the nickname of what English Football club? Y'know?"
posted by maxwelton at 5:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


If either candidate answers any question with "Toxteth O'Grady, USA" I will send them all my money.
posted by delfin at 5:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Chris Hayes just dropped the 12th richest county stat on MSNBC, having retweeted my tweet about it earlier. I'll declare victory here, I think.

He proposed we have a town hall debate in the Bronx, which I'd love to see too.
posted by gerryblog at 5:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Hah, that's where I grew up. You forgot insurance executives.

Don't leave out the equestrian hobbyists and country club golfers! "Mr. Romney, where did Rafalca go wrong, and how will she bring home the gold next time?"
posted by sallybrown at 5:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


That would also be better than deliberately skewing the whole thing to rich white people.

But they're the ones who are undecided! On the one hand, social issues that matter dearly to them. On the other hand, money.

They need to the debates to feel better about voting against the social issues they hold dear and for the money that they crave like a tick craves blood from a bull's ball sack.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


He proposed we have a town hall debate in the Bronx,

In Spanish?
posted by ceribus peribus at 5:17 PM on October 16, 2012


That wouldn't be cost prohibitive, and wouldn't be necessary. New York City is very close and would by itself have tons of opportunity for diversity. And there are tons of counties within driving distance besides.

There's lots of opportunity for diversity right there in Nassau county. There are a lot of people there, even if on average they're richer than the country as a whole.
posted by Jahaza at 5:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


If either candidate answers any question with "Toxteth O'Grady, USA" I will send them all my money.
Final question, who holds the record for the world's stickiest bogey?
posted by Jehan at 5:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I was reading the debate agreement. I know it doesn't mean shit-all, but I was still amused to see that one party is "Obama for America", and the other "Romney for President". Way to work the messaging, Romney.
posted by Lemurrhea at 5:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


They need to the debates to feel better about voting against the social issues they hold dear and for the money that they crave like a tick craves blood from a bull's ball sack.

Sadly, there is more than a little bit of truth to this.
posted by Justinian at 5:21 PM on October 16, 2012


Chris Hayes just dropped the 12th richest county stat on MSNBC, having retweeted my tweet about it earlier.

Crazy! I don't think that just because those folks are wealthy that it means they won't ask good questions, or that it presumes that they are for or against either candidate.
posted by cashman at 5:22 PM on October 16, 2012


Jahaza, that's true. We'll see how well Gallup did in selecting. I'm predicting they did a terrible job, and that we'll get a ton of questions about war and the deficit and almost nothing about other issues.
posted by gerryblog at 5:22 PM on October 16, 2012


Speaking of women and debates.
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 5:23 PM on October 16, 2012


Crazy! I don't think that just because those folks are wealthy that it means they won't ask good questions, or that it presumes that they are for or against either candidate.

I'll have you know I already declared victory, but sure, there's diversity even in homogenous communities. But it would never occur to the media to hold a debate in the 12th poorest county in the US.
posted by gerryblog at 5:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


rt.com? not clicking.
posted by futz at 5:25 PM on October 16, 2012


The earthquake was just Romney shifting his positions at the Boston hq.
posted by humanfont at 5:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


How does Nassau rank on a scale of most expensive media markets?
posted by ceribus peribus at 5:27 PM on October 16, 2012


Besides, the Jill Stein arrest has already been mentioned here.
posted by futz at 5:27 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm predicting they did a terrible job, and that we'll get a ton of questions about war and the deficit and almost nothing about other issues.

If there's no question relating to women's issues beyond "abortion: yea or nay," I'm going to be seriously pissed. I guess I might as well go ahead and prepare myself. In the past year we've seen the "legitimate" rape brouhaha, equal pay discussions, the war on Planned Parenthood, Republicans shutting Sandra "Slut" Fluke out of the birth control hearing, opposition to VAWA, etc, and yet it doesn't seem important enough to merit mention.
posted by sallybrown at 5:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


So because I can't get over the debate agreements and I got nothing else to do while we wait:

What would happen if one of the candidates decided to go against it? Like suppose Obama just flat-out asked Romney a direct followup? I can't picture Romney refusing to answer it on the grounds of the contract, because that shows weakness and such. And I can't see them backing out of the next debate for the same reason. And there's no penalty attached to the contract. So what's stopping it? Just a basic sense of fair play?
posted by Lemurrhea at 5:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


If there's no question relating to women's issues beyond "abortion: yea or nay,"

"Your running mates are both Catholic. How does their faith inform their decisions about women's issues? And be specific."
posted by gerryblog at 5:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Just a basic sense of fair play?

I think there's also a mutually beneficial, long-term relationship between the parties they don't want to put at risk -- basically the same reason people in Congress keep their promises to each other even when they're not enforceable. Blowing up the gentlemen's agreements is perceived to be bad for the country, so they don't.
posted by gerryblog at 5:31 PM on October 16, 2012


What time does this thing start, now?
posted by koeselitz at 5:31 PM on October 16, 2012


9pm. In 27 minutes or so.
posted by cashman at 5:32 PM on October 16, 2012


9PM eastern, then. Thanks.
posted by koeselitz at 5:33 PM on October 16, 2012


"Your running mates are both Catholic. How does their faith inform their decisions about women's issues? And be specific."

"My running mate's faith is strong and he holds firmly to it, but what really matters this election to voters is my three-legged dog."
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:33 PM on October 16, 2012


The ads are starting now; the debate begins in thirty minutes.
posted by ceribus peribus at 5:33 PM on October 16, 2012


9pm EST.

I've got 3 windows: C-SPAN, this thread, Chile vs Argentina World Cup Quals. Plus Long Trail Ale. I'm all set.
posted by shortfuse at 5:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'm pretty darn excited. Obama knows he has to knock this out of the park.
posted by chaff at 5:34 PM on October 16, 2012


Jahaza, that's true. We'll see how well Gallup did in selecting. I'm predicting they did a terrible job, and that we'll get a ton of questions about war and the deficit and almost nothing about other issues.

'How will your Presidency affect the taxes on my sailboats and horses?'
posted by winna at 5:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


And be specific.


Let me know how that works out for you.
posted by xbonesgt at 5:35 PM on October 16, 2012


Anybody taking bets on which Romney shows up to this debate? Will it be Bain Mitt, Massachusetts Mitt, Severe Conservative Mitt, or newly Moderate Mitt?
posted by wierdo at 5:35 PM on October 16, 2012


On CSPAN, the Chairmen of the CPD are explaining to the crowd how the whole thing will work.

I note that, much like the candidates, one man has a red tie and one man has a blue tie.
posted by Lemurrhea at 5:36 PM on October 16, 2012


Nate Silver: Pre-debate benchmark: Obama would have a 62% chance of winning an election held today per our "now-cast", Romney 38%. After the last few decades, Democrats pretty much have to be prohibitive favorites to believe they even have a chance.
posted by gerryblog at 5:36 PM on October 16, 2012


Does anyone know if there's a low-bandwidth version available of the C-SPAN stream?
posted by Anything at 5:38 PM on October 16, 2012


"I was kind of hoping one of the debates would be moderated by three teen girls."

I dunno. I thought What's Her Face made some really salient points with regard to auditing the Fed.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 5:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


"Uh, thanks for taking my question. I guess I want to know: The Hammers--the Hammers is the nickname of what English Football club? Y'know?"

The second debate took a turn when Governor Romney ripped open his shirt to reveal a large tattoo reading "Millwall" then dropped his pants yelling, "I'M BLOWING BUBBLES I'M BLOWING BUBBLES"" while farting.

"This is a game changer," said FOX anchor Britt Hume, "Governor Romney has channeled the zeitgeist of the American voter with this one move. President Obama was speechless, what a joke!"
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I downloaded Chrome to run Metafilter alongside my Firefox windows just in anticipation of this thread.
posted by triggerfinger at 5:40 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm hoping Obama has a real Clinton moment where he walks up to a questioner and really connects with them on a personal level.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 5:43 PM on October 16, 2012


I went to an educational talk on Roman water under the theory I should do something other than refresh the thread and my train is now TWELVE MINUTES LATE and this is heartbreaking-- update fast and fleetly, all ye who enter here!
posted by jetlagaddict at 5:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Anything: maybe the C-SPAN live (flash) radio feed? You won't get the video, of course, but it would be less bandwidth.
posted by ceribus peribus at 5:44 PM on October 16, 2012


When these debate posts get to stay, I always feel like we're getting away with something. Like the mods are like, "ok, let them have their fun."
posted by Lutoslawski at 5:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


"Well, I didn't think much good would come out of this debate, but I have to say I was wrong – America is certainly a better place today because of what happened tonight. If it weren't for this historic evening, triggerfinger might never have installed a browser that was actually stable and clean."
posted by koeselitz at 5:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Part of me is anxious because this is serious business and people's lives will be affected by the election.

Part of me is fascinated to see what happens and if my understanding of the election is correct.

And part of me hasn't been this nervous since before Game 3 of the 2008 World Series & right before the Iggles lost to the Patriots in the 2005 Superbowl.
posted by JKevinKing at 5:46 PM on October 16, 2012


ceribus peribus: Thanks for the suggestion; I do want video, though. Currently I think I'll be watching the ABC stream on Youtube.
posted by Anything at 5:47 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm hoping Obama has a real Clinton moment where he walks up to a questioner and really connects with them on a personal level.

But then Romney will try to do that too and it will basically turn into this.
posted by triggerfinger at 5:47 PM on October 16, 2012


Mr. Romney, could you tell me about how your tax plan affects my fetus?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:47 PM on October 16, 2012


OH BOY. TIme for the fate of the freeworld to boil down to some hand gestures and dodged questions. CAN'T WAIT.
posted by hellojed at 5:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


No no no not again debate vs. playoff baseball no no fuuuuuuuuck
posted by vrakatar at 5:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


When these debate posts get to stay, I always feel like we're getting away with something. Like the mods are like, "ok, let them have their fun."

After the election we'll all be back to the 1,2,3 Magic rules and we'll be told we have five minutes before we have to stop playing and go be grownups.
posted by winna at 5:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


There's room for both, vrakatar! :)
posted by JKevinKing at 5:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm approaching this with dread. Debate 1 should have been a shitfest with both parties scraming "you're a liar", so I fear that's been deferred to this debate.
posted by amuseDetachment at 5:52 PM on October 16, 2012


Both Michelle Obama and Ann Romney are wearing the same shade of hot pink. What could this mean?
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 5:52 PM on October 16, 2012


Why does the debate stage look like the set of "American Gladiators?" is that on purpose?
posted by hellojed at 5:53 PM on October 16, 2012


Metafilter & dvr for debates & tv for baseball
posted by JKevinKing at 5:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Also: RE American Gladiators: Romney should just call himself "Turbo" and break out a tennis ball launcher.
posted by hellojed at 5:54 PM on October 16, 2012


Both Michelle Obama and Ann Romney are wearing the same shade of hot pink. What could this mean?

If I remember my 90s cheerleader movies, it means the plucky underdog (Romney) is going to come up with a new routine right before the big event and win everyone's heart.

I don't see it.
posted by Lemurrhea at 5:54 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Who is that lady with the enormous earrings?

Also, I hate to remark on someone's personal appearance, but Ms Crowley looks fantastic tonight. I LOVE her hair like that.
posted by winna at 5:54 PM on October 16, 2012


From Sam Stein: wow, gallup breaks down regional support. East: Obama +4, Midwest: Obama +4, West: Obama +6, South: Obama -22 bit.ly/S1RUTW
posted by gerryblog at 5:55 PM on October 16, 2012


Why you have to go state by state.
posted by gerryblog at 5:55 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm not near a TV. Is Obama awake?
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:56 PM on October 16, 2012


Ohhhh the South. I love my Southern husband but I really hate the South.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Break a leg, Mr. President.
posted by Golden Eternity at 5:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


If I was running for President, I would insist that each candidate come out to theme music. And then pull something like GY!BE, just so I have like 10 minutes to work the crowd while the song plays.
posted by Lemurrhea at 5:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Sweet jesus, the Tigers haven't scored yet? Now I'm anxious.
posted by computech_apolloniajames at 5:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Both Michelle Obama and Ann Romney are wearing the same shade of hot pink. What could this mean?

Breast cancer month.
posted by dirigibleman at 5:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Oh god CSPAN the suspense is killing me.
posted by pemberkins at 5:59 PM on October 16, 2012


Metafilter & dvr for debates & tv for baseball


I do it old school on a.m. radio with John and Suze. But good idea to dvr the other thing.
posted by vrakatar at 5:59 PM on October 16, 2012


These debates are digging into my sleeping time. There we go!
posted by ersatz at 5:59 PM on October 16, 2012


I don't know how to handle the awkward silence so I'm just going to start drinking now.
posted by pemberkins at 6:00 PM on October 16, 2012


I can't watch this because I'm with republican relatives who I have to be related to after all of this is over. Is this where I can find out more?
posted by jph at 6:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ok, I have my bottle of pellegrino, my lemon zest, my browser with tabs open to CNN and CSPAN...but Cspan is down atm, and this thread. I'm all set. Bring on the smackdown, Mr. President. We're all counting on you down here.
posted by dejah420 at 6:00 PM on October 16, 2012


Ah aha aha ahhhhh!!!


Woohoohoo! It's beginining!
posted by Skygazer at 6:02 PM on October 16, 2012


"Make sure questions get answered"

Good luck with that, Ms Crowley
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:02 PM on October 16, 2012


Two minutes to answer. LOL
posted by triggerfinger at 6:02 PM on October 16, 2012


fuck. c-span won't load again.
posted by futz at 6:02 PM on October 16, 2012


Does anyone have an online feed more reliable that YouTube's? It's laggy for me.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:02 PM on October 16, 2012


dejah420, try youtube.
posted by ersatz at 6:03 PM on October 16, 2012


I can't help but think of the SNL skit whenever I hear about "uncommitted voters".
posted by Phire at 6:03 PM on October 16, 2012


I have my Dog Whistle Bingo card in front of me. I'm hoping the word "uppity" is used quickly by a pundit tonight so I can claim the center square.
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Tying it all together, I've got some 8% pumpkin beer.
posted by notsnot at 6:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama, you actually smiled! Good start.
posted by pemberkins at 6:03 PM on October 16, 2012


Let the farce begin!!!!!
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 6:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Poor college guy
posted by hellojed at 6:03 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh man. Waves of awkward Romney Fremdshamen blowing off the screen already.
posted by Skygazer at 6:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


PBS Newshour is where I've been.
posted by winna at 6:03 PM on October 16, 2012


First question is jobs...not a happy start.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:03 PM on October 16, 2012


The UK gets a socialist feed without lag.

Now go go go!
posted by ersatz at 6:03 PM on October 16, 2012


Has anyone woken up Lehrer for this one?
posted by inigo2 at 6:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ha, Mitt makin a play for Pennsylvania by mentioning Philadelphia.
posted by cashman at 6:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Jeremy is so freaking nervous.
posted by saul wright at 6:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


I am drinking Lips of Faith Tart Lychee and am ready!
posted by Windigo at 6:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Smarmy bastard
posted by triggerfinger at 6:04 PM on October 16, 2012


Didn't Ryan's budget eviscerate Pell grants?
posted by Rhaomi at 6:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


And the non-answers are out of the gate!
posted by computech_apolloniajames at 6:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


He's trying to do the "walk toward you because I care" Clinton thing
posted by triggerfinger at 6:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


yes Romney, thanks for illustrating the problem that this guy JUST EXPLAINED TO YOU.
posted by iamkimiam at 6:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


He "knows what it takes."

Ewwwwww....
posted by Skygazer at 6:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


cashman: "Ha, Mitt makin a play for Pennsylvania by mentioning Philadelphia."

Hah, like most of PA admits that Phily is part of the state.
posted by octothorpe at 6:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


That was a hardcore non-answer. "I know how to make good jobs, trust me."
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Wow Romney is really getting specific. Great answer
posted by Flashman at 6:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I have jobs, I can make jobs, I know what it takes to bring back jobs....HOW? HOW? HOW?
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Not bad Mitt.
posted by cashman at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012


Fremdschamen: A German term which describes the process of being vicariously embarrassed by someone else. For example when somebody's concept for a great party gag goes terrible wrong and you watch him fail in the middle of all of his friends.

(I had to look that up, Skygazer)
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


"I know what it takes to bring jobs back..."

Great! WHY ARE YOU KEEPING IT A SECRET?
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [21 favorites]


Anybody taking bets on which Romney shows up to this debate? Will it be Bain Mitt, Massachusetts Mitt, Severe Conservative Mitt, or newly Moderate Mitt?

Looks like Moderate MittBot has been deployed.
posted by winna at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oh gee isn't it swell that Romney wants Jeremy to get a job. No actual plan, just being a nice guy. Isn't he sweet.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I know what it takes to create good jobs. Outsourcing to China.
posted by ersatz at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Mitt's laugh is like nails on a blackboard.
posted by HuronBob at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Fox tomorrow: Obama so rude. Not thanking Romney, the crowd, Crowley, the good people of Nassau County, etc. etc. etc.
posted by shortfuse at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Jeremy likes Obama better...I can tell.
posted by Skygazer at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012


Pell grants? Since when do you want to keep those? Since you found out you were debating at a college?
posted by Miko at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [15 favorites]


Jeremy aint trying to manufacture nothin, Mr. President.
posted by cashman at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


On the attack - "Governor Romney said, let's let Detroit go bankrupt."
posted by koeselitz at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012


octothorpe: " Hah, like most of PA admits that Phily is part of the state."

Without Philly, it's West Virginia with 10% more teeth and black-and-gold instead of blue-and-gold.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney "I know what it takes I know what it takes I know what it takes" THERE'S NO BEEF HERE
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 6:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Listening to this on just audio as I switch from tab to tab is really horrifying.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama has a list. Lists are good.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:07 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm the guy that got rich firing people, but trust me, I also know how to create jobs. How? Well, I just know.
posted by Rhomboid at 6:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Aaaaaand the Youtube feed is borked.
posted by en forme de poire at 6:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Detroit burn. Nice.
posted by ersatz at 6:07 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama is speaking too fast. It's sounding forced.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:07 PM on October 16, 2012


I was kind of hoping one of the debates would be moderated by three teen girls.

I find that a genuinely interesting proposition. Would the Big Time Politicians tell bald lies into the faces of wide-eyed children?
posted by zennie at 6:08 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama should have asked what his major was. They both should have.
posted by cashman at 6:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Obama is far more energetic.

CROWLEY GOES FOR THE FOLLOWUP!
posted by winna at 6:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


OOOOOH FOLLOW-UP!
posted by sallybrown at 6:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Mr. Romley!

NBC News feed is good.
posted by Miko at 6:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oooh, Candy Crowley is already demanding clarification and better answers! This bodes well.
posted by koeselitz at 6:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Uh, why does Mitt get a do-over?
posted by Flashman at 6:08 PM on October 16, 2012


Ooh, Candy asked a pretty awesome question about the long-term unemployed there.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:08 PM on October 16, 2012


CNN Response-o-Meter pegged high for all of Obama's answer
posted by mikepop at 6:08 PM on October 16, 2012


Obamas ratings with voters going well. CNN blowing up. CSPAN still down. Gonna try for the utubes.
posted by dejah420 at 6:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Like you say, CANDY....
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:08 PM on October 16, 2012


And Candy is off the reservation. Go girl!
posted by dejah420 at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012


Yeah, so Obama isn't looking so hot. He has the wrong attitude, Romney looks more sure of himself.
posted by amuseDetachment at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012


5-point plan, drink
posted by King Bee at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney says he knows how to create jobs but he won't tell us HOW he's going to do it.
posted by Daddy-O at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm the guy that got rich firing people, but trust me, I also know how to create jobs. How? Well, I just know.

Jeremy, you're going to love living in the dormitories at the factory. It'll feel just like college again! The more roommates, the more fun, during the two hours a day that you're granted for sleeping.
posted by gladly at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


Aw, I bet that kid doesn't want to work in manufacturing. I feel like Obama didn't do as much as Romney did to directly reassure him—even if what Romney said was lies.
posted by limeonaire at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"When I was governor of Massachusetts"

The same Massachusetts he's so unpopular in that he's not even bothering to campaign there.
posted by homunculus at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


C-Span is working fine for me.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012


Mitt Romney is the most lying liar of lyingness that ever lied down and vomited lies on your carpet of Truth.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


Is this the same "five point plan" that was made of wishes instead of ideas?
posted by almostmanda at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney's still not saying anything.
posted by octothorpe at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


FIVE POINT PLAN (FPP)!!!
posted by JoeXIII007 at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


haha did Romney just say he wanted to take Detroit bankrupt?
posted by lalex at 6:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Please call him on aspiring to the 12 million jobs that will be there regardless of what anyone does.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"You took Detroit bankrupt!" Huh?
posted by koeselitz at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Dunno, Romney's plan has 5 Points. That is pretty convincing.
posted by Ad hominem at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Just isn't true!
posted by homunculus at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


"Just isn't true"

Obama comes out swinging.
posted by Phire at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama KILL!! KILL!!! KILL!!!!

YOU SAVED DETRIOT!!
posted by Skygazer at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Ok this Obama is way better. He better keep this up.
posted by amuseDetachment at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Nice eyeroll from the fellow in the back, there.
posted by pemberkins at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


heh here we go with the Detroit rebuttal.
posted by lampshade at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


The first "LIAR!" has been unleashed. Go, Mr. President!
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


JUST ISN'T TRUE. Boo-yah.
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama's second segment much better than first - more fired up, more like his speeches. Slightly less hurried.
posted by shortfuse at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"What Gov. Romney said just wasn't true" Yesssssssss!!!!!!!!!
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


FYI, NBC feed much better than YouTube. Here.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


"He doesn't have a five point plan. He has a one point plan....to make sure the people at the top play by different rules." WOW.
posted by Phire at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [14 favorites]


Huh, Romney claiming that the President did what he suggested on Detroit. Not sure the specific details on bankruptcy law will be clear to voters.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


BURN, "he doesn't have a 5-point plan, he has a 1-point plan"
posted by King Bee at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama: "What Romney says just isn't true!" Finally!
posted by dejah420 at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Yeah Obama call out the lies!
posted by insectosaurus at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Aaaaand here we go with the Bain attacks.
posted by koeselitz at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Whoa!!


OHHHHH!!!


ROMNEY HAS A ONE POINT PLAN!!!
posted by Skygazer at 6:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Say that over and over. Drop the L-bomb. Let's do this thing.
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012


Like in previous debates, my live feed is behind everyone else's.

I just got to Candy asking the follow-up. Romney looks like he's trying to get those lasers to shoot out of his eyes to kill her.
posted by meese at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012


He's talking about 7-11's bankruptcy? Aren't they owned by the Japanese now?
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012


NICE Bain burn.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012


Somebody forgot to take the Romneybot out of repeat mode.
"How will I get a job?"
"Yes, you'll need a job!"
"How will these long term unemployed get jobs?"
"We have a lot of long term unemployed people who need jobs!"
posted by ceribus peribus at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


That was awesome. JUGULAR
posted by Miko at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012


BARACK JUST KICKED ALL KINDS OF ASS ON THAT DETROIT QUESTION! GET HIM MR. PRESIDENT!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Ooh, Romney's playing interrupting cow again!
posted by wierdo at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


MITT-BOT WILL DECIDE WHEN MITT-BOT SPEAK
posted by tonycpsu at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Haha, and Candy does not let Romney speak!
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


Can't wait for the media to talk about how rude Romney is, like they did Biden. Cause they will, right?
posted by inigo2 at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Candy is not a puffball
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


I think by the end of this Obama will hit his stride and sound even stronger and more like when he was challenging McCain.
posted by cashman at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012


OMG the accents. I miss the NY area.
posted by Miko at 6:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Poor Phillip Tricolla. So nervous.
posted by Skygazer at 6:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Sit on back down, Mr. Romney.
posted by zennie at 6:12 PM on October 16, 2012


Rude move, Romster, pushing Candy Crowley like that.
posted by sallybrown at 6:12 PM on October 16, 2012


DON'T LET HIM INTERRUPT YOU CANDY!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


You go, Candy Crowley ... don't let Flip Romney steamroll you! You're in charge!
posted by ericb at 6:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Turning a question into oil prices about sustainable energy. Nice.
posted by Phire at 6:12 PM on October 16, 2012


Candy Imma let you finish...
posted by ersatz at 6:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Ha! go Candy!
posted by ian1977 at 6:12 PM on October 16, 2012


though really should gas drilling be what he brings up in NY?
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:13 PM on October 16, 2012


This gas price question is a tough one – it appeals strongly to the lowest common denominator. I'm hoping Obama can pull this one off.
posted by koeselitz at 6:13 PM on October 16, 2012


I hope obama goes for ROmney's jugular again. I'm glad Crowley held the line their with his interruppting cow bullshit.
posted by Skygazer at 6:13 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'm retreating to a bar called balls the cat to hide from televised debate coverage.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:13 PM on October 16, 2012


Candy should just have a button that cuts the mic out.
posted by ian1977 at 6:13 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


"Romney will say he's got an 'all of the above' plan, but his plan will let the energy companies write the policies."
posted by Phire at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


I was kind of hoping Obama would go hardcore free-market and ask if Romney suggests socialist control over prices.

...not that it was a good strategy, but it'd be fun.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ohhh man this is a good, cogent answer! Wow. This is an entirely different debate style, so massively better than last time.
posted by koeselitz at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Predict solyndra jab in Rodney's response.....
posted by cacofonie at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012


Now Gov. Romney will say...." Ooo nice. Setting the crowd up for the lies to come
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


He's got the oil and gas part, but not the energy part.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012


Spoiler: Romney wants to drill everything everywhere.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012


*prepars to check Solyndra off of his Bingo card*
posted by tonycpsu at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Way to tie Jeremy into the second answer.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Is it just me or is the audience VERY heavily male?
posted by naoko at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


I've said it before and I'll say it again: The moderator should have a "cut the mike" button. And should use it.

In fact I'll go farther this time: They can see the countdown clock just like we can. Their mikes should be off at all times except between 2:00 and 0:00 on their turns.

If Romney wants to be a "YOU WILL LET ME TALK NOW" jackass, let him do it while no one can hear him.
posted by Flunkie at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [17 favorites]


How that hell is the president supposed to control the price of gas? Price controls? Nationalize the oil companies?
posted by octothorpe at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


The knobby thing on the bottom of the CNN screen was high during Obama's answer (high is good) and bottomed out when Romney started talking.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:14 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney doesn't care much for birds of any size.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


I don't know why people think it's such a bad idea to keep our oil reserves in reserve, and not just for times when prices are a bit high for us.
posted by Miko at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Obama could so destroy him for drilling permits... two words: Deepwater Horizon.

I hope he gets to rebut.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


yeah man who wants federal lands to be pristine and to have actual potable water? Yeah, who wants birds in the future?

BIRDS ARE FOR THE WEAK HEAR THAT BIG BIRD
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


mitt sure hates birds.
posted by changeling at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Mitt is rattled, he's becoming angry mitt. Fantastic. Angry Mitt isn't likeable.
posted by dejah420 at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Again with the birds.
posted by mikepop at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney hates migratory birds.
posted by winna at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Romney's back to wanting to kill off birds.
posted by inigo2 at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


The heck with those stupid birds.
posted by octothorpe at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney just can't stop going after birds, big or small.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


The answer started off weak but he framed it well afterwards.
posted by ersatz at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Mr. Coal?
posted by computech_apolloniajames at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Drill Baby Drill
posted by Flashman at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Those birds were clearly communists.
posted by homunculus at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt hates birds, Big or oil-barring.
posted by Windigo at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Mitt's only belief in anything renewable is the belief that the wealthy are a renewable source of votes.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I thought we were done with the "drill, baby, drill" shtick four years ago?

Romney hates birds. You heard it here first.
posted by Phire at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney: Fuck birds.
posted by figurant at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


CNN feed preferred Obama answer
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012


If the oil companies were using one half of their current leases, they'd maybe there'd be a reason to open up more federal land leases. And now into clean coal. Jackass.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Won't anyone thik of the poor poor oil companies
posted by goHermGO at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


GOD WHO NEEDS CLEAN AIR, ROMNEY, WE CAN ALL SNIFF PERRI-AIR OUT OF GOLD-PLATED CANS
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


25 birds! And, then there's the big one -- not Mr. Coal. Mr. BIG BIRD!
posted by ericb at 6:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Why does Romney keep talking about increasing oil production on federal lands and waters as if that's a good thing? "The right course for America" is not covering everything in soot and oil.
posted by limeonaire at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


ANGRY BIRDS MITT
posted by ersatz at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012


I don't want to watch this.
posted by hellojed at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012


LEAVE THE BIRDS ALONE!!
posted by estuardo at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


How that hell is the president supposed to control the price of gas?

That's the problem with the town hall format, you get questions that have a very narrow focus.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012


They're coming back precisely because energy costs are HIGH, you dolt.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Maybe Romney was traumatized by a Hitchcock film when he was younger...
posted by Phire at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney: Fuck birds.

If Mitt loses, FOX can go with the headline "Obama for the Birds"
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012


North America energy independence is complicated - if you're just using net import/export, then Canada can kind of carry the US without helping you out.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012


First they came for the birds, and I said nothing, for I am not a bird.

Next they came for the trash-can dwellers, and I said nothing, for I am not a trash-can dweller.

Next they came for the counting vampires, and I said nothing, for I am not a counting vampire.
posted by Flunkie at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [33 favorites]


I don't understand why it's bad to have increased domestic oil production on private land.
posted by purpleclover at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


More drilling, more coal, steam engines, hire some indentured servants, use some fulcrums, get some abacuses.
posted by cashman at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Note that he always says "North American energy independence" (IOW, he's banking on increased production in Canada's tar sands)
posted by wierdo at 6:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Not true! NICE.
posted by Miko at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012


Neither one mentioned safety or regulation of oil/gas drilling.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I can already feel the flock of angry birds.
posted by iamkimiam at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney is blathering on energy. Weird non sequiturs. Forgot his script?
posted by howfar at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012


I like this moderator.
posted by insectosaurus at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


"Very little of what Gov Romney said is true"!!!!
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012


"Very little of what Governor Romney just has ever said is true."

FTFY, Mr. President.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012


Right on....called out Romney flipflop on coal.
posted by Miko at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012


"You stood in front of a coal plant and said this plant kills, and shut it down. So I try to be consistent."
posted by Phire at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Yes, Obama, you are working with the industry. Colluding with them to allow frackers to pollute groundwater.
posted by wierdo at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012


Ha, very little of what gov romney says is true. Go Mr. Prez!
posted by dejah420 at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012


Nice! TALK TO HIS ROBOT LYING BIRD HATING FACE O!
posted by Skygazer at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Ha! a Massachusetts zinger! finally!
posted by lampshade at 6:17 PM on October 16, 2012


"be consistent" hah! burn.
posted by en forme de poire at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


Dude, Candy don't take no guff from no one. I love her.
posted by King Bee at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Heh Heh Natural gas doesn't just appear-- we're encouraging it....there's a fart joke in there somewhere.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm really glad the "call him a liar" camp won the strategy fight.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I don't understand why it's bad to have increased domestic oil production on private land.

BECAUSE BIRDS.
posted by winna at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama is hammering it on ever response: "hardly any of what Governor Romney said was true."
posted by koeselitz at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


though does anyone aside from the Queen of England actually carry a pocketbook?
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


Ha! Candy asked the right question re: gas prices

BAM! Romney a liar says Obama.
posted by ian1977 at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


THIS PLANT KILLS
posted by oneirodynia at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


I think Obama is intentionally walking close to Romney, hoping Romney will get angry enough to take a swing on him.
posted by HuronBob at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


I'm loving this Obama. He's landing blow after blow.
posted by Flashman at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama, it is good you are talking about how you are also eager to fuck the earth with a big drill.

Virility polls well among everyone.

OH SHIT, HE'S CALLING HIM ON BS!
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


FIGHT!
posted by shortfuse at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


"You stood in front of a coal plant and said 'This plant kills"."

Oh me, oh my, this is the hard hitting Obama who wasn't around next week.

And now we have interupting cow..... mutha fucka.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


It remains to be seen if it will be effective or not, but you certainly can't say Obama is not taking it to Romney, right in the face, POW!!!
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


Fight!
posted by homunculus at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
posted by zennie at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


This is actually an argument.
posted by koeselitz at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


FISTICUFFS BUDGET FISTICUFFS
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney's pitch is rising. Hee.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


Fight!
posted by TurkishGolds at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


OOOH fight!
posted by sallybrown at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


Holy fuck. Dick swinging.
posted by Miko at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]



"This plant kills." -- Romney
posted by inigo2 at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Are they going to fistfight!!??
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh HELLO DIRECT QUESTIONS!
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


Why is the moderator not shutting him up?
posted by Flunkie at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney is such a dick.
posted by octothorpe at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Mano a mano time
posted by computech_apolloniajames at 6:18 PM on October 16, 2012


Whoa.
posted by nobody at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012


Please, Obama, please talk about environment, not just how much oil you'll drill.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Oh now it's getting interesting. They're arguing and their naked dislike is quite palpable.

Obama makes the point about the unused permits!
posted by winna at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


CAPS FEELS GOOD!!!!
posted by iamkimiam at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Candy, please bring up fracking. I want to see everyone squirm.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ooh ... Rockin' Sockem' Robots. Face- to -face!
posted by ericb at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


So much for the "No direct questions between candidates."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012


Yayayayay! Obama backs my angry rhetoric up!
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012


That's it - I'm a punch this Mormon fuck into next year. DO NOT GET in the President's face, and DO NOT interrupt him.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Wow.

Romney is angry.
posted by insectosaurus at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney yields time to his opponent. DEBATE FAIL.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Who has a ruler!??!!
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012


YES IT IS NO IT ISNT YES IT IS!
posted by TurkishGolds at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that Fox won't have much issue with Romney interrupting the President repeatedly.
posted by Phire at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Not true Governor Romney. Ha!
posted by ersatz at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012


Ha! This is fantastic. Wow. An actual point where they disagree and will not back down.
posted by koeselitz at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


What did he say about birds? I was in the backyard, dealing with ACTUAL birds. (Month-old chicks were on a field trip outside.)
posted by mudpuppie at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


It's like Romney didn't expect Obama to say mean things about him. His face looks like it never even heard of slaps before.
posted by Kattullus at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


Candy, where the f&*ck are you? MODERATE.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


HOLY GOD
posted by Miko at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


Yes, peons, coal jobs! Coal doesn't...kill...no, I never....JOBS, PEONS, JOBS
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


YES THIS IS GOOOOOOD!
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


"You'll get your chance in a moment, I'm still speaking." OH THE PAINFUL IRONY.
posted by cjelli at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


fact checking regarding oil and gas leases
posted by craven_morhead at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Whoa, RUDE! ("That wasn't a question, that was a statement.")
posted by limeonaire at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


What a RUDE FUCKING ASSHOLE Mitt Romney is.
posted by headnsouth at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Dick Fight.
posted by dejah420 at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


I think I saw Romney's coif spring loose.
posted by lineofsight at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


When they're one on one, Obama kills him. Jeez.
posted by King Bee at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney, I have to go to bed soon. Please do something silly for me to joke about tomorrow.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm still speaking.
posted by TurkishGolds at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


I thought no direct questions were allowed? THUNDERDOME!
posted by ersatz at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


Are we witnessing a Mitt Romney extinction burst?
posted by Room 641-A at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


This format is below the station of President. I'm ashamed for all of us.
posted by HuronBob at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


This is going to be interesting.
posted by insectosaurus at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow. What an entitled DICK.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romneys disrespect is breathtaking.
posted by hollygoheavy at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Romney: "I'm still speaking." But, what are you saying? Lies, lies, lies.
posted by ericb at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


man alive, this format is making me so squirmy. they're totally in punching distance.
posted by changeling at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Why have I never heard any candidate, Republican or Democrat, mention the role of speculators in raising gas prices?
posted by qxntpqbbbqxl at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Romney is rude as fuck. Or as the press will say tomorrow, assertive.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Ill give you your time, go ahead. hahahaahah
posted by ian1977 at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


OMG Mitt Romney is a national embarrassment.
posted by dejah420 at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Arg. YouTube has cut out during real face-to-face.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:20 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney, you fucking idiot. The price of gas was so low when Obama took office because the economy (and thus demand) was in the toilet. It is high now because demand has returned.
posted by wierdo at 6:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [14 favorites]


The fighting makes me uncomfortable :(
posted by Windigo at 6:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"You'll get your chance?? YOU"LL GET YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK?????"

That's it - this man is a complete and utter fucking douchebag.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Gas prices were low because the economy had imploded like that house at the end of Poltergeist.
posted by Rhaomi at 6:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


"One last thing: While you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tight-Ass Club, in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits."
posted by craven_morhead at 6:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


BURN
posted by zennie at 6:21 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh God thank you Obama. Pls explain supply and demand to this "businessman".
posted by wierdo at 6:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


OH SNAP. Where the hell was this Obama last debate?
posted by amuseDetachment at 6:21 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh my goodness ... Romney is impossibly incontinent. There goes a negotiative World.
posted by de at 6:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ice burn on the shitty economy == lower gas prices. Well played.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney, you fucking idiot. The price of gas was so low when Obama took office because the economy (and thus demand) was in the toilet. It is high now because demand has returned.

You and Obama both, my friend.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:21 PM on October 16, 2012


I don't think this is awesome or a real argument. It's ROmney tossing baseless allegations.

It's almost like the strategy here is Romney goes on the attack, and Obama, who was counselled to be "respectful" after Biden, is trapped in either backing down to appear "reasonable," or counterattack and risk appearing Angry Black Man.
posted by Miko at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oh nice response by the crowd to Obama
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Who would win in a Romney/Obama Fistfight? esquire.com
posted by lampshade at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012


weirdo: PSYCHIC!
posted by leotrotsky at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012


Mitt thinks he controls the cost of energy.

Hi Mitt!

Love,
The rest of the world
posted by ersatz at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Is this the debate thread? Because Romney keeps opening his mouth and it is upsetting me.
posted by maryr at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


"It's conceivable that Gov Romney could bring down gas prices, because with his policies, we could have another recession." The crowd AUDIBLY gasped: "oooh..."
posted by koeselitz at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [33 favorites]


Sure, you can have cheap gas if you destroy the economy!
posted by delmoi at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney's disrespect is breathtaking.

Seriously, people I've hated for decades I've not been that rude to. It's honestly shocking.
posted by winna at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


He just busted Romney for saying that wind workers were invisible, nobody-people.

Super.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


ROMNEY, CANDY IS TALKING!
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012


Shit, I want Obama to be able to back up "That's not true" with "Don't take my word for it. Look it up at xxxxxx." That would take it out of "No, YOU'RE not being truthful!" pingponging.
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


MAKE HIM ANGRY OBAMA.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012


THIS MODERATOR SUCKS.
posted by Miko at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


That was a good burn there.
posted by saul wright at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh yes. Obama gets a laugh. He's killing.
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney is impossibly incontinent.

Depends.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [23 favorites]


Don't promise anything, Candy. Shut him down.
posted by shortfuse at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012


Candy: "In the followup, it doesn't work like that".

ZOMG
posted by King Bee at 6:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


I'd like to buy a response Candy-- Imma let you finish, Candy
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012


CANDY DO NOT LET HIM RAILROAD YOU
posted by triggerfinger at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


OMG, Romney just got shot down on a point of order! And he goes on...
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney knows he done goofed.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


DO NOT LET THIS MAN INTERRUPT AGAIN, CANDY. THIS SANCTIMONIOUS ASS NEEDS TO GET HIS ASS SLAPPED.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney is really, really talking over Ms. Crowley.
posted by koeselitz at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012


FUCK ROMNEY!! FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK ROMNEY!!!

SIT THE FUCK DOWN ASSHOLE!!
posted by Skygazer at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Pipelines are so important, we arrest people on their own property for protesting against them.
posted by homunculus at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012


"Candy, Candy, Candy." Could Romney be any more condescending?
posted by Phire at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


LET ME TELL YOU HOW THE RULES OF THE DEBATE WORK, MODERATOR
posted by Flunkie at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012


"I'm used to being interrupted." YES.
posted by Phire at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


The next time Romney interrupts him, Obama's gonna show him the four years of Krav Maga training he's been taking from some CIA instructor in the basement of the White House. Shut the fuck up, Romney cow.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Holy fucking shit, this guy.
posted by TurkishGolds at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012


This one is meaner. Someone gonna get popped in the mouth.
posted by dirtdirt at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Where is the power button for that mic?
posted by mynameisluka at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney's trying to tell Crowley how the debate works. Take it to MittaTalk.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [37 favorites]


I don't like Obama much, but I love that he keeps feeding Romney lemons. Pucker up, you lying liar.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm close to turning this mess off.
posted by HuronBob at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney is really reaching here....really grasping to get his stump speech in at any chance.

Kinda pathetic actually.
posted by lampshade at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Actually, in the follow-up it doesn't quite work like that."
posted by Room 641-A at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012


Candy -- yeah ... tell Romney. Shut up you smug asshole.
posted by ericb at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Jebuz. Romney just lost the election. Right then.
posted by dejah420 at 6:23 PM on October 16, 2012


So, it appears the empty chair tonight belongs to the moderator.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:24 PM on October 16, 2012


Man, Romney. Why do you hate moderators?
posted by ersatz at 6:24 PM on October 16, 2012


Taxes! Romney's specialty!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Thank you, President Obama. Green energy creates jobs. THAT is where you need to be going here.
posted by maryr at 6:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Barry O. Dropping bomb after bomb after motherfucking bomb.
posted by howfar at 6:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


"You're doing great.."

I love it.
posted by meowf at 6:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Wow, Mittens is doubling-down on the dickish interrupting and bull-dozing through the moderator from the first debate.
posted by gladly at 6:24 PM on October 16, 2012


Arguing with the moderator about the debate rules is always a good idea.
posted by ceribus peribus at 6:24 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh my God, I love her accent so much, and great question.
posted by limeonaire at 6:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Resolved: Women should moderate all Presidential debates. No old guys.
posted by humanfont at 6:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [22 favorites]


You're right middle class lady... but only about PART OF THAT.
posted by zennie at 6:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama you better get him on this deduction question!
posted by cashman at 6:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


This is making me sooooooooooo uncomfortable.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Jebuz. Romney just lost the election. Right then.

Well, this is like the 10th time so...
posted by delmoi at 6:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


MITT ROMNEY WOULD NOT LAST ONE MINUTE WITH ME IN THE ROOM.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Romney, is that number a specific, or are you just bullshitting us for fun?
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:25 PM on October 16, 2012


Hey moderator, threaten to cut Romney's response time for the next question if he keeps cutting in.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:25 PM on October 16, 2012


I think Romney didn't prep properly for talking over a female moderator. Not good optics.
posted by gerryblog at 6:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


This one is meaner. Someone gonna get popped in the mouth.
I thought that said pooped in the mouth, which is more appropriate for Romney. He is a mouth pooper.
posted by Flamingo at 6:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Romney, why should the proportion of income taxes paid by the top 1% not increase as their share of total income increases?
posted by wierdo at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Lipstick Thespian for moderator 2016
posted by King Bee at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"I'll pick a number." HA.
posted by carsonb at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


No tax on cap gains? Did I hear that right?!
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Deduction caps would be devastating to the middle class far more than the top tier tax payers. Ridiculous.
posted by Phire at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


You're right middle class lady... but only about PART OF THAT.

The part between the words you said, that was correct. But when you used your woman hole to speak, that's where you went wrong.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


What about rich people, though? Do they get to get all those interest deposits tax free? Like you?

ps: 200k a year? IS NOT MIDDLE CLASS.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012


Ah nevermind, $250k or under.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012


"Pick a number" - What the hell, the election is in like 3 weeks? "pick a number" are you serious?"
posted by cashman at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Wait, what? The middle class is going to get their tax break through capital gains?
posted by maryr at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


There's your 1% dog-whistle... "60% of the tax the nation collects." instead of "11% effective rate."

The Luntz is strong in this one.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


Romney does magic!
posted by Miko at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


boooooring.

Oh yeah all the taxes that middle class people are paying on capital gains and dividends.

(And seriously, most middle class people, if they do have investments probably 401ks or IRAs that are tax free)
posted by delmoi at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney, how about YOU pick a number? I'm sure you can pull one out of your ass.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012


No capital gains tax! WHAT!?
posted by figurant at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


No capital gains taxes for poor people. Cool.

DICK.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


Sweet! Romney will get rid of taxes on the $2.16 of interest I earned last year. Oh wait.
posted by snickerdoodle at 6:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [27 favorites]


Romney doesn't realize that most middle class people have net negative savings, and most of the savings they have are in 401ks.
posted by wierdo at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


"I'll pick a number". Ha, great planning.
posted by ersatz at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Hmm, so nobody pays more taxes, and he fixes the deficient?

Romney, fess up.

You perfected alchemy, didn't you?
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


"I will not reduce the share that's being paid by the highest tax payers." Sorry, Adelson.
posted by Phire at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012


I feel like Romney's trying to sell me on a pyramid scheme.
posted by saul wright at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Woohoo! No taxes on my dividends and capital gains!! Wait, what are those?
posted by Ad hominem at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Have they been buried, Governor? Buried? That one must have tested well.
posted by dirtdirt at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012


The fuck? Nobody making under $200,000 a year is making jack shit in interest or dividends anyway.

This debate is going to take years off of my life.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


Mitt "Pick a Number" Romney
posted by smithsmith at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


How are the response meters doing (CNN, etc.)?
posted by iamkimiam at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama is about to pounce.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012


I ADORE that someone asked specifically about the deductions.

Romney is babbling about his mathemagic. He's now talking about limiting deductions and only having a bucket. And eliminating capital gains tax!

PLEASE let Obama take up the point that eliminating capital gains massively benefits the wealthiest Americans.
posted by winna at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


This is it. Obama's got to get him here.
posted by cashman at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012


A friend suggested that the moderator should have the power to deliver a series of mild electric shocks when presenters go overtime.
posted by Miko at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


You know, no taxes on interest, dividends, and capital gains would be nice—and I say that as someone who does invest some small amount of my middle-class income—but Romney hasn't talked about any of the specific tax deductions she asked about. Let's see if Obama does better.
posted by limeonaire at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Well, Obama at least obliquely mentioned the poor, "folks striving to get into the middle class." That's...something.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


No tax on cap gains? Did I hear that right?!
Oh, yeah, yeah you did.
posted by wintermind at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


LOL I'm going to lose my mortgage interest deduction and I won't be able to pay for my kid to go to college but hey, I won't get taxed on all those capital gains I earn.
posted by headnsouth at 6:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [14 favorites]


Resolved: Women should moderate all Presidential debates. No old guys.
The last moderator was great. This one kind of sucks, so far at least, in kind of the same way that the old guy did.
posted by Flunkie at 6:28 PM on October 16, 2012


Frantically refreshing this thread as the only medium you have for following the debate is SO GODDAMN WEIRD. Birds and shouting and candy? What? Huh?
posted by Shepherd at 6:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [16 favorites]


Oh great I can skip paying taxes on the 1% interest I'm collecting on my CD's and other fixed income. Big whoop.
posted by humanfont at 6:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Dammit, Obama, when are you going to make with the pouncing and devouring?
posted by wintermind at 6:28 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh come on Mr. President. Romney's tax plan is AIR! Eviscerate him! I like hearing your plan, but people need to know Romney's is air.
posted by cashman at 6:29 PM on October 16, 2012


Governor Romney's allies in Congress

ZING
posted by Panjandrum at 6:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Flunkie: “The last moderator was great. This one kind of sucks, so far at least, in kind of the same way that the old guy did.”

Dude, no. Think about this for a moment: she is not allowed to ask follow-up questions, according to the rules. So far, she's been exceedingly brave.
posted by koeselitz at 6:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [14 favorites]


Obama's response meter looks strong. I was so nervous during the Romney-tude I forgot to look at his.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:29 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama hits the anecdote about Romney thinking his tax rate is fair! Ha!
posted by winna at 6:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney not revealing a tax plan reminds me about how republicans said nobody knows what's in Obamacare, after the bill was published for everyone to read.

There is no document for the Romney plan. But we should trust the guy who changes his stance on everything all the time.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:29 PM on October 16, 2012


"Is it fair that someone likes you pays a lower tax rate than a nurse or a bus driver? And he said that's fair, and that's what grows the economy. And I fundamentally disagree with that." Great line.
posted by Phire at 6:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"I fundamentally disagree with that."

It's meat, but not much. Keep it comin' pal.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm not up to pace with this debate thread but Kathleen Madigan tweets: "This is beyond awkward. I hope someone pulls a fire alarm. And I hope it's jeremy so he has a job."
posted by stoneandstar at 6:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


"You heard what I said about my tax plan"

Which time?
posted by inigo2 at 6:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'm loving these camera angles. Someone is always lurking in the background.
posted by Revort at 6:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Is it just me or is Romney not staying on his side of the contractually obligated line on stage?
posted by ob1quixote at 6:30 PM on October 16, 2012


Ouch, Romney just made it sound like rich people pay 60% of their income in tax.
posted by wierdo at 6:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Someone as ungodly wealthy as Romney doesn't know what it's like to make less than 50K a year. I hate how he talks like he understands.
posted by King Bee at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


I wonder if Romney will address the inconsistency between his current position and his position at the RNC? LOL JOKES.
posted by Phire at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


How surprising that Romney wants no tax on dividends, capital gains, and interest. Here are the numbers from his 2011 return:

Capital Gains: $6,810,176
Dividends: $3,649,567
Interest: $3,012,775
Wages, salaries, tips, etc.: ZERO
posted by Flunkie at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [14 favorites]


The issue is that the wealthy have to pay more. The top 5% pay 60% of taxes but take in 95% of the cash from the economy each year.
posted by humanfont at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


"Where is Martha" is trending on twitter. Ha.
posted by insectosaurus at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Why do I want to bring rates down, and at the same time lower rates and deductions at the high end?" Because I'm lying and I can tell you any magical thing I want!!
posted by limeonaire at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Anyone watching the "Undecided-ometer" on CNN? Pretty entertaining. The undecideds are not big fans of Mitt Romney's tax ideas.
posted by delmoi at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Frantically refreshing this thread as the only medium you have for following the debate is SO GODDAMN WEIRD. Birds and shouting and candy? What? Huh?

Romney brought an unlicensed Big Bird pinata to destroy. The crowd is screaming for him to stop, but he said that he will only stop the beatings if they promise to vote for him.

Fox News will describe it as refusing to negotiate with terrorists, except they'll be confused on which group are terrorists.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [15 favorites]


"'Small businesses' keep more of their capital."

I wonder how small we're talking about here?
posted by carsonb at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney's such a bad actor with the fake puzzlement, fake "I feel your pain." It bums me out that people can't seem to read that. He puts it on like a mask.
posted by Miko at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Like he gives a shit about women..
posted by HuronBob at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Seriously - come on, Barack! Here's your mop, wipe the floor with Romney brand wax!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"So when you bring rates down, those businesses are able to keep more money and hire more people"
posted by cashman at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


OH! Now it's energy independence for North America in FIVE years! It was 8 earlier.
posted by maryr at 6:31 PM on October 16, 2012


Dude, no. Think about this for a moment: she is not allowed to ask follow-up questions, according to the rules. So far, she's been exceedingly brave.
Exceedingly brave? She's letting Mitt talk whenever he wants. The problem is not follow up questions.
posted by Flunkie at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012


I think Obama hit the tax question out of the park.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Cracking down on China when they cheat fill my coffers"
posted by obscurator at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama, please continue to hang Romney with his previous 'Etch-A-Sketch' quotes.
posted by ericb at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012


These are not a plan! They are friendly sentiments!
posted by almostmanda at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Here's what I propose we do next debate.

We get a bunch of guys in black zentai suits to sneak up on the guy who debates/abuses time/chronically disobeys the moderator, and have them put their hands over the debator's mouth.

That'd creep me out enough I wouldn't want them anywhere near me.

Sorry Zentai enthusiasts.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney seems to think that free trade agreements increase employment here. That's not actually true.
posted by wierdo at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012


Yeah, Mitt, lets talk about women.
posted by dirtdirt at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I just want to let you know that me reading this thread aloud has made my utterly apolitical husband turn on the debates so he can see the carnage for himself.
posted by anastasiav at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney is not sitting back down? Weird.
posted by shortfuse at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


MATHMATHMATHMATH
posted by cashman at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


If the drinking game includes "Get this Economy going again" and "5 point plan" we're going to bankrupt the medical sector with alcohol poisoning cases. Watch out.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh shit Ann Romney and sons look so fucking scary and grim...
posted by Skygazer at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012


I wanna know where the hell Romney bought gas on Long Island for $1.86 four years ago. I lived here then and remember gas being around $2.40-$2.50 when Bush left office.
posted by zarq at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


I know about unemployment. Some of my business friends have created unemployment.
posted by ersatz at 6:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


No it's NOT settled, dammit!
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Tigers up 1-0, carry on.
posted by JoeXIII007 at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Romney looks like a sad monkey.

GOOD.
posted by Skygazer at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I wonder how small we're talking about here?

The entire definition of "small business" that you hear these guys talking about is something that bugs me a lot. My brother has a small business. He and his wife have one employee and hardly draw a salary. There's a big difference between that and a 50+person group with multimillion dollar budgets. It sounds nice, but it's time to be a little more honest about these distinctions.
posted by Miko at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Obama's doing math again. Let's see if it works better this time.
posted by delmoi at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Come on, Obama, just use the word "lie". Just once. I'm begging you.

(Then use it over and over as appropriate.)
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Which loopholes is he gonna close? He can't tell you." About time, Obama.
posted by Phire at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'm seriously still not even sure that I heard that correctly, it's just so astounding: Did he really say that he wants no taxes on capital gains and such?
posted by Flunkie at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney is not sitting back down? Weird.

Lurch-ish with borderline "I'ma punch this sucka". Totally agree.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012


Big bird!
posted by larthegreat at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Hahaha, Obama nailed him on the capital gains magical thinking thing.
posted by limeonaire at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


BIG BIRD!
posted by octothorpe at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012


Five Point Plan? Or, Five Points, Manhattan?
posted by ericb at 6:33 PM on October 16, 2012


Weee, Big Bird!

*drinks*
posted by Defying Gravity at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012


Enough with Big Bird already. Let it go.
posted by homunculus at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I don't get how republicans say they love free trade but want to do something to impair our trade with China.

That's not how laizes faire economics work.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Response meter isn't liking Obama's answer. :(
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012


Women don't like it when Obama talks about Big Bird.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012


Sketchy deal!
posted by meowf at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Boom! Big Bird!
posted by howfar at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Neither should you. "The math doesn't add up." Right. Keep on that.
posted by Miko at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Just keep blinking, Mr. Romney.

It's like he keeps trying to Refresh but it's not working.
posted by zennie at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Sketchy deal. BOOM.
posted by benito.strauss at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


WOW!
posted by JayG at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012


I just love this "energy independence for North America" in less than 10 years from Romney. It's up their with Paul's solution to our conflict with Iran, "We just need to change the ayatollahs minds."
posted by maryr at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney's lost his poise totally. He's just imagining arrows in Obama's face...HA HA HAAA....
posted by Skygazer at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney seems to have that "oh crap, but I'll keep smiling" look on his face.
posted by lampshade at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Burn.
posted by Falconetti at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012


#sketchydeal
posted by Flashman at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012


"SKETCHY"! Go Etch-a-sketch! Don't tease me like that!
posted by gladly at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012


"You wouldn't take such a sketchy deal! and (turns to America) neither should you!"

Got Him.
posted by cashman at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


Flunkie: “Exceedingly brave? She's letting Mitt talk whenever he wants. The problem is not follow up questions.”

We can agree to disagree on this, I guess. She spent twenty seconds trying to talk over him before he walked toward her and she backed down. Jim Lehrer did nothing of the kind, and in fact apologized whenever it happened.
posted by koeselitz at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


I like "sketchy". This man talks my language.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney is doing that "looking adoringly" thing again!
posted by lineofsight at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I am dead serious: Angry Romney scares the ever-living SHIT out of me.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


That's not how laizes faire economics work.

That's because it's lazy fair economics.
posted by charred husk at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Hold your ground, Candy, hold your ground!
posted by pemberkins at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney's starting to get that tight angry look on his face. hahaha
posted by triggerfinger at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012


OMG, and Obama came back to the loss of deductions thing at the end. Very good stuff.
posted by limeonaire at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012


SHE ACTUALLY DIDN"T LET HIM SPEAK!!! WOOOOOOOOOO.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012


"Closing deductions for wealthy individuals."
This now refers to corporations.
posted by obscurator at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


skeeeeeeeeeetch

hilarious
posted by stoneandstar at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012


Calling him out on the lack of plan. At last.
posted by ersatz at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012


HE KEEPS FUCKING INTERRUPTING HER. RUDE
posted by triggerfinger at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Of course they add up" In other words: "Trust me".
posted by wierdo at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"I ran the Olympics...and balanced the budget."

with a serious federal bailout, iirc.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Ohhhh so sleazy, Romney. Sounds waaaayyy too slick: "Of courrrrrse they add up." Uh-huh.
posted by limeonaire at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012


"I'm someone who ran businesses INTO THE GROUND."
posted by HuronBob at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


FOREIGN!!!
posted by tonycpsu at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Energy independence in five years? His own plan is eight years, and—surprise, surprise—it's total bullshit.
posted by ob1quixote at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh, my. Look at Romney's facial expression. The smug sneer. He despises Obama.
posted by ericb at 6:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney, how can I add up a bunch of unknown variables and get a constant answer?

See me after class.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


I am dead serious: Angry Romney scares the ever-living SHIT out of me.

I keep waiting for him to deploy the lasers.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012


"If somehow the math doesn't add up, would you reconsider?" "Of course the math adds up." Wooooooooow.
posted by Phire at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


FOREIGN (dogwhistle)
posted by goHermGO at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"I ran the Olympics, and balanced the budget."


...with federal money? That's kind of tough if you, you know, ARE the federal government.
posted by cjelli at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"If somehow the numbers don't add up..."

Romney sneers, "Of course they add up."


Ooo I'm convinced.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


DAT SMILE. Obama in the background while Romney is saying... stuff. I just died.
posted by Zephyrial at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


And Romney, when confronted with the inconsistency in his tax plan says "that's not my plan."
posted by wierdo at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012


I ran the Olympics with 1.5 billion in government funds and balanced the budget.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Ooooh....GREECE. So scary!!! I should go as Greece for Halloween, because at least the Republicans seem to find it terrifying.
posted by Miko at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Here comes the stump speech points again and with a Greece reference as the cherry on top
posted by lampshade at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney, let the bloody moderator speak.
posted by ersatz at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Also I am loving Crowley's refusal to let Romney walk over her.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012


Of course they add up. Here's an anecdote about me.
posted by Malice at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Of course they add up."

Touche!
posted by ian1977 at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012


Could he sound more condescending when he talks about his experience as a CEO.

And now he's interrupting again!
posted by winna at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012


Was that a swipe Romney made on governing Massachusetts?
posted by ericb at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


haha I loved Obama's face right before he stood up to interrupt
posted by stoneandstar at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012


I am dead serious: Angry Romney scares the ever-living SHIT out of me.

Wait untill he becomes President and gets angry at Iran.
posted by homunculus at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


And Romney interrupting cows again.
posted by wierdo at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow, this is so fucked up. She's absolutely doing the best job she can.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Cut. His. Mic.
posted by obscurator at 6:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


God, the talking over Candy is sooooooooo disrespectful and rude and frankly classic Alpha Dog misogyny.
posted by Miko at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [20 favorites]


"Of course the math would add up." Someone should organize an effort to send thousands of abacuses to Romney's campaign HQ.
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney, just straight out insult the moderator.

It'll rally the base and confirm to the right you lost because the debate was "unfair."
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


Fuck yeah! Women make 72 percent of what men earn—answer that!
posted by limeonaire at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney should not mention the Olympics, when the federal government had to bail him out.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney is completely incapable of shutting his mouth when it's time to move on.
posted by hollygoheavy at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Road to grease?
posted by ian1977 at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


Smirk Romney as he walked back to his chair
posted by mikepop at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh yeah, it's ladies night...
posted by maryr at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


YESSSSSS!!! Gender pay equality!
posted by cashman at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


This could be a funnnnnn question. Equality in the workplace for women?
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


This thing is pretty raucous! I love it!
posted by lampshade at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney: SHUT THE FUCK UP! Stop interrupting!
posted by ericb at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


Ha! Women's issues! There's no wiggle room for Romney now.
posted by wabbittwax at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Arg, can't handle it when all three talk at once.

Also, Ms. Fenton should ask all of the questions.
posted by craven_morhead at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


Great. Obama is back!!!

I'm breathing much easier.


YES!!


*HIGH FIVES*
posted by Skygazer at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"I was raised by a single mom..." Here's the human edge – Obama's hitting all the bases here.
posted by koeselitz at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


He's doubled it. 10 trillion to 16 trillion. *Cough*
posted by ersatz at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


How is Romney going to counter Obama's anecdotes about women in his life???
posted by mudpuppie at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


I'm in a sports bar right now, even though I'm not a huge sports fan, especially regarding any of the games under contention tonight.

But I can see 20+ TVs from where I sit, and not one of them is showing the debate. It is glorious. I wish I had figured this out long ago.

OTOH, I'm still following this thread, so I have yet to completely master the ignore debates for races that one is already decided on kata.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney really shouldn't talk over the moderator. Doing it to Obama is one thing, but he looks really douchey doing that.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:37 PM on October 16, 2012


women in the workplace!!! Lilly Ledbetter!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012


Wait untill he becomes President and gets angry at Iran.

I was going to favorite that, but that's not the right word to describe my feelings. Sort of the opposite of favorite. "Dreaded horror", yes that's it. Of to MeTa to request my pony.
posted by King Bee at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


I think he meant that governors have limited control.
posted by Burhanistan at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012


So, two minute answers, with two minute follow ups, and they covered two questions in half an hour.
posted by ceribus peribus at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Great! Looking forward to it!"

BAM!
posted by ian1977 at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012


Bringing up the Lilly Ledbetter Act - about time, in this campaign!
posted by Phire at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Candy needs a gong.
posted by jph at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


I can't imagine Mitt can mess with this one.
posted by cashman at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh boy how is Romney gonna go at this one? FREE MARKET!
posted by zardoz at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012


yayyyy this is a family issue yaaayyy
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012


Haha, there was an article recently that talks about Bain Capital's major deals.

Turns out, most of them was buying a bunch of business, merging them, taking on a huge debt, and then taking a huge fee and pawning it off to wallstreet setup to fail.

So actually Mitt's plan for the economy - totally void of real numbers - is actually similar to the business plans he foisted on to chumps on wallstreet.
posted by delmoi at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


LILY LEDBETTOR ACT! WOO HOO!!

SUCK ON THAT MONSIEUR LE ROMNEY!!
posted by Skygazer at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Knock knock!
Who's there?
Interrupting cow.
Interrupting cow w-
Well of course my budget numbers add up!
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [38 favorites]


Family issue. Middle class issue. That's right: women's issues are everybody's.
posted by Miko at 6:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [14 favorites]


The first debate was not a loss.

It was an assessment of Romney's weaknesses.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [24 favorites]


"This isn't just a women's issue, this is a family issue and a middle-class issue." Precisely.
posted by Phire at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


"This is not just a women's issue, this is a family issue, this is a middle class issue." Hell yes, go tell it Obama!
posted by sallybrown at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Cut. His. Mic

I must believe that she doesn't have this power. I can't see her being given that red button. Anyone know for sure one way or the other?
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012


Sniff. It is a sad state of affairs when pointing out that women's issues are family/middle-class/everyone issues actually brings a tear to my eye.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


I'm kind of sad he's talking about student loans. Just hammer, hammer, hammer the Lilly Ledbetter Act.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012


Lilly Ledbetter!
posted by zardoz at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama talking about Pell Grants. He needs to point out that Romney/Ryan want to cut them.
posted by winna at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012


Holy, holy shit. I love this answer. Glass ceilings, single moms, smart as a whip. Obama is looking like fucking Fabio right now, or so I would say if I weren't sick of the romancing the lady voter rhetoric. FAMILY ISSUE. MIDDLE CLASS ISSUE. HOLY SHIT.
posted by stoneandstar at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Was that a swipe Romney made on governing Massachusetts?

I recommend anyone who hasn't read this article yet check it out after the debate:

Mass Revolt: Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts just six years ago. Today he’s so unpopular here he’s barely bothering to campaign in the state. There are reasons for that—and they could spell doom for his presidential campaign.
posted by homunculus at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney's being disingenous * about “small businesses” paying taxes on the owner's personal return at the individual rate. That's not how pass through taxes on s corps and llcs work. Look at the romney returns. He has llcs and s corps. He's paying less than 15%. what a lying asshole.

*charity
posted by leonard horner at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012


Turns out, most of them was buying a bunch of business, merging them, taking on a huge debt, and then taking a huge fee and pawning it off to wallstreet setup to fai

Oh, not even news. That's what the private equity market is. I guess people don't really know much about it, still.
posted by Miko at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012


"I can't have extra wives, I'm running for office for Pete's sake."
posted by obscurator at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"We've got to make sure that we do not tolerate discrimination". YES.
posted by cashman at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012


Women undecideds on CNN looooooove Lily Ledbetter
posted by hollygoheavy at 6:39 PM on October 16, 2012


"Women are increasingly the breadwinners in the family" with Romney sneering in the background. Nice shot.
posted by ersatz at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"my" state? Dude, people here don't even recognize you on the street.
posted by Miko at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


I want the question asker to just roll her eyes at Romney right now.
posted by King Bee at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012


ROMNEY, NO, DON'T MENTION WHEN YOU WERE GOVERNOR, YOU ARE OPENING PANDORA'S BOX AND THE DEMONS INSIDE ARE FACTS AND THIS METAPHOR IS TORTURED.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [15 favorites]


People with the qualifications. Can't we find some women? Took a concerted effort. ASSHOLE.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Yes, Mitt says he has run companies, but he really hasn't. He's bought and sold companies.
posted by benito.strauss at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney comes out for affirmative action!
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


A concerted effort to find women! WHole binders full of women!

Wait, I think that was the Russian dating service with the binders.
posted by Miko at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


"important topic" he says dismissively.
posted by howfar at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Binders full of women!
posted by hellojed at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow Romney, that's a great anecdote about "binders full of women".
posted by wierdo at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


woah I want a binder full of women!
posted by Theta States at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


"Gosh, can't we find some women?"
posted by Room 641-A at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Binders full of women.
posted by obscurator at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I HIRED SOME WIMMIN ONCE YOU GUYS
posted by mynameisluka at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [18 favorites]


Romney supports affirmative action for women. *

* Offer valid only for Mitt's cabinet. No fatties.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


WHOLE BINDERS FULL OF WOMEN
posted by Flashman at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Why are these all men?" "These are the ones who have the qualifications." "Well, can't we also find some women?" "So we went to women's groups and they brought us binders of women." That resonates less than he might think.
posted by Phire at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [20 favorites]


"They brought us binders full of women."
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Whole binders full of women!
posted by obvious at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


HA!

Obama: "I learned about women because I was raised by a single mother."

Romney: "I learned about women because I was, uh, Governor of Massachusetts."

Not sure if...
posted by koeselitz at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [22 favorites]


I doubt she has the literal power to cut his mike, but she certainly has the literal power to say "It is not your turn, sit down and be quiet until it is."
posted by Flunkie at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012


The topic is inequalities in the workplace, Romney is a former CEO, and he goes to his 'experience as Governor?' *forehead slap*
posted by carsonb at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


WHOLE BINDERS FULL OF WOMEN!!!
posted by chaff at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Binders full of women." Hilarious, tragic & outrageous all at once.
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


They brought Romney binders full of women? So...he had bound women?
posted by maryr at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Brought me binders of women
posted by hal9k at 6:40 PM on October 16, 2012


"Binders full of women"?!?!?
posted by Dr. Fetish at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Women's issues? Here's an anecdote about me!
posted by Malice at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


The first debate was not a loss.

It was an assessment of Romney's weaknesses.


I doubt it, but even if true, people have started voting already.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012


Mitt supports affirmative action for women! Who knew?
posted by headnsouth at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012


IF you're going to have women in the workplace
-Mitt
posted by goHermGO at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


OH HOLY HELL, he's Fred fucking Flintstone.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Fail answer, Romney, making it seem like it takes an EPIC search to find qualified women..."sometime you need to be more flexible," fuck you, because only women want a flexible schedule?
posted by sallybrown at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [17 favorites]


One of the reasons I could get so many women to be on that team is because I only had to pay them about 70% of what I pay the men I mean we like flexible schedules and women are great and good workers, amirite?
posted by King Bee at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012


Aaaaaaand Romney's answer is condescending and gross. Don't talk about this shit like a little problem you happened to remember to solve by making some cold calls or wtf.
posted by stoneandstar at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Women are increasingly the breadwinners in the family" with Romney sneering in the background. Nice shot.

Well, of course. They're cheaper to hire, and it's a buyer's market, ain't it?
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012


"Whole binders full of women!" That sounded kinda creepy.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012


"my economy will be so good, employers will ACTUALLY want to hire women!"
posted by Theta States at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


The new economy?

Romney, what are you doing to the old economy? Romney, my money and job are in the old economy.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"They brought us... whole binders full of women."

And now he's talking about how women need more work flexibility. Because of course we all have children.

Flexible schedules are also a dogwhistle for pay inequity - that's one of the facile justifications for why we have lower pay.
posted by winna at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [16 favorites]


Some of my best friends are WOMEN!
posted by ericb at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


they'll be so desperate for workers they will even hire women! awesome!
posted by gatorae at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Candy needs to get her big boots on for this and quick.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012


MsEld: "Wait a tic, did he just mansplain that he was so wonderful in understanding that his female employees had household duties so he let them work flex hours?"
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


"my" state? Dude, people here don't even recognize you on the street.
posted by Miko


Oh yes they do. That's why he can't walk around here.
posted by benito.strauss at 6:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama is killing it tonight.
posted by humanfont at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012


And Romney's solution to pay inequality turns out to be "improve the economy" and magic.
posted by wierdo at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


"I had more binders than any leadership team in America."
posted by smithsmith at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


But, ultimately, I'm not going to do anything for women.
posted by dirtdirt at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Yes, it's a mystery why women, who make up the majority of state workers, and who are primarily affected by budget cuts in welfare and childcare subsidies are in poverty. It's a real mystery.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


This whole "my new economy" sounds like a post-apocalyptic scenario.

ROMNEYBOT RUNS BARTER TOWN.
....
ROMNEYBOT RUNS BARTER TOWN!
posted by Theta States at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Oh yeah, Romney, you just care oodles about women. We can tell.
posted by clavier at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012


A bit of reproductive justice and control over health care decisions so that they can do family planning and adequately plan their own career trajectories would be nice, too, Governor.
posted by Phire at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES!
posted by saysthis at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Some of the longest 2 minutes ever.
posted by shortfuse at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


ROMNEY, NO, DON'T MENTION WHEN YOU WERE GOVERNOR, YOU ARE OPENING PANDORA'S BOX AND THE DEMONS INSIDE ARE FACTS AND THIS METAPHOR IS TORTURED.
Here's what I'd ask: "What about you companies at Bain? Or did you figure it didn't matter, becuase they were all going to be laid off in a few years anyway?"
posted by delmoi at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Shut up, Mitt. You're way out of your shallow here.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Wow, Romney's answer is totally incoherent.
posted by bswinburn at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012


"Mr. Romney what is your favorite color?"

THIS IS NOT A STRONG ECONOMY!
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Economy! Economy! Economy!
posted by howfar at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney wanted to hire women because they are cheaper
posted by Mr. Merkin at 6:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


The lady in the patterned pants looks SO ANNOYED by Romney's bullshit answer right now. She is the best commentator on the debate so far.
posted by King Bee at 6:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ooooh, you just pissed my wife off, Mitt. And the crowd doesn't look happy.
"Of course they don't. He's still gender stereotyping."
posted by charred husk at 6:43 PM on October 16, 2012


The issue is not that they're not hiring women—because women really are more and more of the workforce—it's that they're not paying us enough. So you're not going to pay us more, Mr. Romney...but you're going to give us a flexible schedule? Also, you're way over time, dude.
posted by limeonaire at 6:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Even CNN's undecided men are liking Obama's stance on contraception.
posted by delmoi at 6:44 PM on October 16, 2012


OBAMA DROPS A-BOMB ON HOFSTRASHIMA
posted by tonycpsu at 6:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


OH MAN OBAMA BRINGS THE WOMEN'S HEALTHCARE ISSUE. HARD. CORE.
posted by clavier at 6:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Yes, Phire, exactly. Telling women they're never going to get jobs they're qualified for unless someone happens to 1) realize 2) care and 3) solicit binders is unsympathetic and lame.
posted by stoneandstar at 6:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


pie in the sky, emerald city, fantasy bullshit....THAT is the GOP platform....
posted by HuronBob at 6:44 PM on October 16, 2012


Thank you, President Obama, for taking seriously the realities of women's health care and the economics of childcare. Thank you.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Ohhhh, and Obama's bringing healthcare screenings and preventive care and child care into this. Awesome.
posted by limeonaire at 6:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


BLAMMO! PP provides all sorts of health services!!
posted by Skygazer at 6:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


"Binders full of women" the new Big Bird?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:44 PM on October 16, 2012


I'd just like to point out that whenever Romney says "I know what it takes!" it sure sounds like there's an implicit "Why don't you believe me already?!"
posted by nobody at 6:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Nothing says equality like ordering some women from a binder.
posted by ceribus peribus at 6:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [31 favorites]


IF we are going to have women in the workplace? IF??!?!? WE ARE HALF THE WORLD.
posted by esmerelda_jenkins at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [35 favorites]


Romney seems peeved healthcare got brought up.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012


I am so in love with Obama right now for actually discussing reproductive justice and Planned Parenthood.
posted by Phire at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [24 favorites]


The contraception attack was just great. Although for once I kind of wish Romney had to answer it.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Having daughters vs, having sons.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Its Bush time!
posted by lampshade at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012


THE BUSH BOMB
posted by delmoi at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


A+ on Planned Parenthood answer
posted by Flamingo at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oooooh, Bush, and on the day Bush endorsed Romney!!
posted by cashman at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama is ON tonight. Welcome back, Barry.
posted by zardoz at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"These are not just women's issues". Yes.
posted by ersatz at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012


And now he's talking about how women need more work flexibility. Because of course we all have children.

And of course we have to make it home in time to make dinner for our men.
posted by Malice at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [18 favorites]


difference between mittens and gwb?!?!? YES
posted by triggerfinger at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Bush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Watch him duck.)
posted by benito.strauss at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Aaaaand... he waits until the followup, and starts talking full on about womens' healthcare and contraception.

Candy: Well, Romney can't answer that. NEXT QUESTION.
posted by zennie at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


How do you differentiate yourself from Bush? Nice!
posted by King Bee at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012


HOLY SLAM DOWN FROM THE AUDIENCE
posted by JayG at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Whoever had "George W. Bush" on your bingo cards, retrieve them from the trash cans and claim your winnings!
posted by tonycpsu at 6:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


KEEP ASSERTING YOUR RIGHT TO TALK MITT!!!!!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012


OMG! Romney can't tell time!!
posted by Skygazer at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


bush...that's a great question, this idiot will not answer it.
posted by HuronBob at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012


Shut up Romney - what a dick.
posted by cashman at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012


If Candy was in his binder, would she have been hired?
posted by mudpuppie at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Somehow I don't think really appreciates that question at all. He certainly doesn't seem to want to answer it...
posted by delmoi at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012


OMGGGGGGGGG, HE WENT INTERRUPTING COW ON THE NEXT QUESTION....... WTF WTF WTF WTF.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


ROMNEY NEEDS RULES! WHERE ARE THE RULES?
posted by charred husk at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Bush?

BUSH?!

TOTAL AVOIDANCE MODE ACTIVATED!
posted by carsonb at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Fun fact: Romney doesn't know how to talk to people who don't already agree with him. He's confused the people aren't shaking their heads in agreement.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [17 favorites]


How do you differ from President Bush, Governor Romney?

Delicious.
posted by figurant at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


BUSH!!!!
posted by zardoz at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney, get to Bush.

Oh, wow. Romney said "every woman in the world should have access to contraceptives."
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney is ignoring the question of Ms. Katz.
posted by dejah420 at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


George W. Bush!
posted by ericb at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012


"How do you differentiate yourself from Geogre W. Bush?"
FUCKIN' \m/!!
posted by obscurator at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Romney: "Every woman in America should have access to contraception."
posted by koeselitz at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Just answer the question, Romney. Stop fighting with the moderator.
posted by insectosaurus at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012


"Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives....unless she works for a religious organization, then all bets are off."
posted by Phire at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


What's the difference between you and Bush. That's gold.
posted by ersatz at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


5 Point Plan is the new Lockbox
posted by mikepop at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


That's a great question that I appreciate, but let me disappear into rules-lawyering and the previous question. [nervous laugh]
posted by Rhaomi at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney, this isn't fair!
posted by ericb at 6:46 PM on October 16, 2012


He really said "The Arabs"???
posted by HuronBob at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [14 favorites]


"President Bush and I are different people."

Well, thank you for that informative answer, Governor.
posted by winna at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney is just lying through his teeth, acting like not only has he not said what he did about overturning Roe V Wade, but that it's not even a question. Liar liar liar.
posted by cashman at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Free trade, attack China's trade.

Whelp.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


It will be such a strong economy there won't be enough white men! They will be hiring women and immigrants and all kinds of undesirables! Fellas! Get the binders.

That was one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen national candidate say.
posted by Ad hominem at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [30 favorites]


Oh my god Romney can he be more rude about timekeeping etc. Answer the woman's question, don't "let me get back to you"!
posted by clavier at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


WAAAA WAAA WAAAA! Man he grating.
posted by ian1977 at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012


Really, contraceptive care for everyone? Even those who work in Catholic facilities? Well, that's....good for another five minutes of truthiness, I guess.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012


Crack down on China?
posted by howfar at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney threw Bush under the bus.
posted by Burhanistan at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney "my 5 point plan is so different that" it looks different every time I open my mouth in front of a different audience!
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives. I'll send a memo to my party.
posted by ersatz at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


The Arabs!!!
posted by zardoz at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney: "Every woman in America should have access to contraception."

He so obviously does not actually believe that. What the hell. He will say anything.
posted by King Bee at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"I came through small business"...

Yeah, with a bulldozer.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


more stumping and not answering the question....Mitt is flailing.
posted by lampshade at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney came through small business? WTF?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


also I like how he skeddaled over the lady parts questions like it was an inconvenient lump on the dressage ring
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Bain was a small business... that helped other businesses grow fold.
posted by HuronBob at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012


Obamacare? Jerk, she asked about you and bush.
posted by cashman at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012


yeah, what does crack down on china even remotely mean? he also said call out china for cheating? what is he talking about? is that a dog whistle?
posted by askmehow at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Yeah, Republicans NEVER talk about small businesses.
posted by almostmanda at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012


Some of my best friends are jobs.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [19 favorites]


MBA President is MBA President.
posted by carsonb at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Q: How are you different from bush?
A: Let me tell you why I don't like Obamacare... Also I like small businesses.
posted by delmoi at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


WoooO! she cut him off!
posted by hellojed at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow, Mittens is gonna balance the budget? Lessee, only the Democrats have ever done that. You are Lying MacLiarson, you poopstain.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


So the businessman will crack down on China and create 12 million jobs and fix the economy? Teach us economics, Mitt.
posted by ersatz at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Man, if Obama brings up the nonsense Bain is pulling at \the Sensata plant Romney's so fuucked...
posted by Skygazer at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012


jobs business makes jobs, business. Jobs? businnesss. bush? jobs and busniness im not bush lets make a jobs business okay

"thank you governor Romney"
posted by Greg Nog at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Romney "came through small business"? Does he know what "small" means?
posted by clavier at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I don't think "I know how to make jobs happen" means what Romney thinks it means.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:48 PM on October 16, 2012


Someone tell mitt that restating your talking points over and over is not the same as answering direct questions
posted by rmless at 6:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


bring in the 47%
bring in the 47%
bring in the 47%
posted by cashman at 6:49 PM on October 16, 2012


Aw, small business Mitt...how cute. Are you fucking kidding me, Mitt?
posted by zardoz at 6:49 PM on October 16, 2012


TONIGHT Romney: "Every woman in America should have access to contraception."

TOMORROW Romney: "We can't force business to provide contraception to women! Invisible hand all up in your uterus!"
posted by Panjandrum at 6:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


YES! Reference to Bain shipping jobs to China, finally!!!!!
posted by inigo2 at 6:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


still stuck on binders of women. reminds me of the joy books in Big Love.
posted by changeling at 6:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


YES! Turn and face! In the face!
posted by cashman at 6:49 PM on October 16, 2012


Oooh Obama, be careful about talking about the evils of spying on your own population. That's not a road you should go down.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Does he know what "small" means?

Yes, its the general description of the paycheck his domestic staff gets each week
posted by lampshade at 6:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama got a laugh from the audience.
posted by humanfont at 6:49 PM on October 16, 2012


"Governor you're the last person who's going to get tough on China." Ooh.
posted by shortfuse at 6:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Andy Borowitz: Romney: "The biggest difference between Bush and me is he believed in dangerous ideas and I believe in nothing."
posted by gladly at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [15 favorites]


THE LAST PERSON
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012


Stop talking about China, just point and say "BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH".
posted by Theta States at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


OBAMA: Governor you're the last person who's goona get tough on CHina.


OH NICE!!
posted by Skygazer at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt is flailing.

Not according to the stepfords on my facebook feed ... "Mitt is too legit to quit, not missing a beat from the last beatdown"
posted by headnsouth at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012


The contraceptive comment is a very interesting slip. I think it's obvious that Romney meant every woman in America should be able to buy contraceptives. Presumably he also believes I should have "access" to private jets and gold-plated limousines.
posted by koeselitz at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


George W. Bush Whiles Away the Time Painting Pictures of Dogs

I wonder if Mitt ever painted Seamus.
posted by homunculus at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012


still stuck on binders of women. reminds me of the joy books in Big Love.

Well, he is a mormon. That makes the image even more uncomfortable.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE say George was a compassionate conservative.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama looooves this question.
posted by shortfuse at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney's reaction shots show him on the run, knows he's losing.
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012


"George Bush didn't propose turning Medicare into a voucher. George Bush never suggested self-deportation. So there are differences." Hee, amazing.
posted by Phire at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [17 favorites]


Oh Obama is ripping Mitt a new asshole. Sorry to curse you guys.
posted by cashman at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"George Bush didn't propose turning Medicare into a voucher."

OH SNAP.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


"Governor, you're the last person who's going to get tough on China"
posted by ersatz at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Honestly can't tell whether they're being more aggro or I'm just way drunker this time. Either way, havin' a gas
posted by Greg Nog at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Obama loves Bush more than Romney!
posted by Burhanistan at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow, Obama is saying Bush >> Romney on social policy. Talk about... surreal.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Obama is calling Romney on the floor tonight. I want to high five him so hard.
posted by clavier at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"You're the LAST person who's gonna get tough on China!" BAM!
posted by zardoz at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012


It will be such a strong economy there won't be enough white men!

That is a beautiful encapsulation of Romney.
posted by benito.strauss at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oh WOW – Obama now making the claim that Romney is worse than Bush. That is a gutsy and frankly awesome approach.
posted by koeselitz at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Obama just crushed it on the differences between Romney and Bush, and Romney didn't get a response. That's going to leave a mark.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


Dammit. Oh well, it was still a good one.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012


Eat another lemon, you liar. Haha.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


hahaha pro-bush slam down
posted by JayG at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012


Q: Obama, How is Romney different then bush?
A: Romney is a much bigger asshole.
posted by delmoi at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [60 favorites]


Dude, no. Think about this for a moment: she is not allowed to ask follow-up questions, according to the rules. So far, she's been exceedingly brave.

We don't need follow-up questions - just someone to moderate the speakers and keep them on point. She should remind them what the question was and push them to actually answer it, not expand the question or ask something related like she's been doing. Also she's just a rambler...
posted by mdn at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


OMG, Obama is saying "Bush was LITERALLY better than Romney." I'm laughing right now.

Also a bit tipsy, so make of that what you will.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Wow, that was a powerful indictment by Obama, outlining how in some ways Romney is the same as Bush and others where he's more extremist than Bush.
posted by wierdo at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


I'm rooting for Obama but...

Yeah, so Romney should've gotten a rebuttal there.
posted by amuseDetachment at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012


Here we go.. The disappointed Obama voter question.

Cool.
posted by Skygazer at 6:51 PM on October 16, 2012


Ok, the worse than Bush thing was pretty awesome.
posted by Lutoslawski at 6:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Really, that was the question... "What have you done to earn my vote?"

Wow, really.... really? Sounds like something a middle school student would ask.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Wow, Romney has to face a person who can't afford things.

Will his curiosity get the best of him? Will he say "Sir, where are your bootstraps?"
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


There are differences with George W. Bush and Romney....Obama just snapped Mitt Romney like Derek Jeter's ankle.
posted by humanfont at 6:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


BUSH IS BETTER THAN ROMNEY.

I actually agree.
posted by Malice at 6:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


And I have.
posted by zennie at 6:52 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama is winning so of course tomorrow's papers will say it was a tie.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


He's ashamed of asking that question. He wouldn't even look at the president. Maybe he was nervous, I don't know, but that just seemed a bit weird.
posted by cashman at 6:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Q: Stuff is expensive, why should I vote for you again?
A: I KILLED BIN LADEN!
posted by delmoi at 6:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


amuseDetachment: " Yeah, so Romney should've gotten a rebuttal there."

The format of the second two minutes is up to the moderator, and Romney had been monopolizing those segments. It's not the case that each guy gets a rebuttal.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Why can't anybody talk about anything but the economy for 10 fucking seconds.

Never mind. I know the answer; I just think it's shitty and small-minded. I want a better job too but Christ.
posted by penduluum at 6:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


OMG, Obama is saying "Bush was LITERALLY better than Romney." I'm laughing right now.

Yes. It was a beautiful reversal. Obama's saying Romney wouldn't even be as good as Bush.

Whoah.
posted by Skygazer at 6:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


octothorpe: "cashman: "Ha, Mitt makin a play for Pennsylvania by mentioning Philadelphia."

Hah, like most of PA admits that Phily is part of the state.
"


Exactly. Trying to win over PA by mentioning Philly is like trying to win over most of New York City by mentioning the Mets. Maybe worse, even.

Anyone who likes Philly isn't voting for you, Mitt. And the ones who are voting for you are afraid to go to Philly.

This is not an exaggeration. I ran into a nice old lady who lived maybe 45 minutes outside of Philadelphia and never visited because she was too afraid to.
posted by Deathalicious at 6:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


"Binders full of women"
Aaaahh, perhaps he mistakenly referred to his ancestor's wedding album.
ZZZZIIINNNnnnggg.
posted by obscurator at 6:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


You guys broke Metafilter on my phone.
posted by computech_apolloniajames at 6:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I predict that Romney's response will mention the economy. And that it is not strong.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Honestly can't tell whether they're being more aggro or I'm just way drunker this time. Either way, havin' a gas

There was a moment earlier where I thought it might get physical. They were drifting toward each other in that purposeful, tense way I've seen two dudes start up a bar brawl. It is not just the drunkitude.
posted by winna at 6:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


amuseDetachment: “Yeah, so Romney should've gotten a rebuttal there.”

Ms Crowley said the question was similar, so his rebuttal now counts for both, I guess. He talked over her earlier... maybe this is the price for that.
posted by koeselitz at 6:53 PM on October 16, 2012


I've got to be in work in 6 hours. Fuck you Obama for making me able to watch this debate!
posted by howfar at 6:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"a lot of us are (struggling)". Us. Huge.
posted by cashman at 6:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"George Bush never proposed cutting funding to Planned Parenthood!"
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 6:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Good question to rattle of his list of accomplishments though. Like whatthefuckhadobamadone.com in video form.
posted by ersatz at 6:53 PM on October 16, 2012


BAM.
posted by esmerelda_jenkins at 6:54 PM on October 16, 2012


Satan is real. Satan has black-dyed hair and an interrupting problem.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 6:54 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


BOOM BIT
posted by mynameisluka at 6:54 PM on October 16, 2012


I've spent the last thirty four minutes working on my Mr. Coal costume.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:54 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"I will now tell you what you think."
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:54 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Let me tell you how you feel."
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:55 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"We can't afford to have four years like the last four years."

I don't know, the part where America didn't slide into an economic black hole looks pretty good to me.
posted by Phire at 6:55 PM on October 16, 2012 [22 favorites]


Obama does a better job on framing this time.
posted by ersatz at 6:55 PM on October 16, 2012


Obamacare equals Romneycare. ZING! And, so true.
posted by ericb at 6:55 PM on October 16, 2012


Yeah, I wrote that before the question came up. The last two questions were the same.
posted by amuseDetachment at 6:55 PM on October 16, 2012


"It's the same healthcare plan that he passed in Massachusetts, and it's working well." Booyah.
posted by limeonaire at 6:55 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney's looking a bit punch-drunk.
posted by wallabear at 6:55 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


But who will be Mr. Gas? Was there a third?
posted by computech_apolloniajames at 6:55 PM on October 16, 2012


The CNN's cyborg-undecideds are unpleased.
posted by delmoi at 6:55 PM on October 16, 2012


Just looking at Romney's posture he just seems awkward and douchey.
posted by vuron at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012


Since when is 1.3 trillion double 1.1 trillion, Mr. Romney?
posted by wierdo at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitts voice is cracking....weird.
posted by lampshade at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney's not moving CNN's undecided lines at all.
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama was railing a bit. I want him to speak to the questioner, and every American who's struggling, and outline how he will help.

He didn't do that, so now Romney gets a chance to look empathetic. Ecch.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt doesn't seem to be trending very well any more on the CNN chart.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012


Dude, my health care premiums have gone DOWN in the last year. I had insurance for two years under Obamacare, and you know what? This middle class lady loved it.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Romney is sounding tired and slightly peevish-- this really isn't going the way he planned.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama, explain bending the curve to Romney.

He's a bit confused.
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012


Considering that the Republicans in Congress have tried in lockstep to stop him from doing *anything,* what the President has been able to accomplish is fucking astounding.
posted by zarq at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [21 favorites]


I am so tired of that middle class getting crushed line.

10 PRINT 'THE MIDDLE CLASS IS GETTING CRUSHED'
20 LOOP 10
posted by winna at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


23 million and 8% . Someone said, keep saying those numbers Mitt... keep saying 'em.
posted by HuronBob at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012


Listen Mr.47% black man, I'm gonna tell you what your deal is...
posted by Skygazer at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney is looking wild, grimacing and unhinged. Obama relaxed and confident.
posted by Flashman at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ha, Romney calling out Obama on past promises or a lack of proposals is priceless. That's why I stay up to watch these.
posted by ersatz at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Funny, Romney gets that adding X jobs and subtracting X jobs = no net change. How does he not get that cutting Y taxes and closing Y loopholes = no effect on the deficit or debt?
posted by Phire at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Weird Republicans took over congress and shutdown many of Obama's programs, now suddenly the economy has slowed.
posted by humanfont at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Did Romney just slam Dodd-Frank? Seriously?
posted by delmoi at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney sucks in this format. Jim Leher was his talisman.
posted by zardoz at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012


He didn't do that, so now Romney gets a chance to look empathetic. Ecch.

Luckily, that's not exactly a strong suit.
posted by Lemurrhea at 6:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney only keeps repeating the same ten things.

And maybe ten more things that he changes everytime.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


REAGANNNNN! DRINK UP!
posted by Theta States at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


How in the hell is Romney even able to lie about health insurance costs going up for families under Obamacare without repeated bolts of lightning blowing his perfectly groomed head off his shoulders?
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Reagan's just like drinking Bingo, right? Because, dude, that was DECADES ago. DECADES.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012


I will be Ronald Reagan???
posted by blurker at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012


Too bad undecided voters don't know what Dodd-Frank is.
posted by delmoi at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Ronald Reagan's recovery raised taxes, you lying piece of two-bit suit.
posted by Phire at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Apparently, 2.3% is also lower than 2.1%.

Also Romney, there was no systemic crisis in the Reagan recession. And people "dropping out of the workforce" are mostly retiring.
posted by wierdo at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012


And I have a binder full of women to go look at!
posted by meowf at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Funnily enough, we don't have a record for your presidential actions OR a plan, Mitt.
posted by jetlagaddict at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


amuseDetachment: Romney should've gotten a rebuttal there.

He should've spoken up then.
posted by Kattullus at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012


so now Romney gets a chance to look empathetic. Ecch.
posted by Pallas Athena


Don't worry, he won't take it.
posted by benito.strauss at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012


Deathilicious: This is not an exaggeration. I ran into a nice old lady who lived maybe 45 minutes outside of Philadelphia and never visited because she was too afraid to.

The Republic of Atlantastan feels your pain. Meet later for sweet tea and cheesesteaks?
posted by Panjandrum at 6:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama up to 63.9% on Intrade. Was at 60% when I checked before the start.
posted by Golden Eternity at 6:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney-bot experiencing empathy overload and data-iarrhia...
posted by Skygazer at 6:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I can't wait for the Taiwan Animator's take on this.
posted by lampshade at 6:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


10 PRINT 'THE MIDDLE CLASS IS GETTING CRUSHED'
20 LOOP goto 10

I'm old...
posted by HuronBob at 6:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [20 favorites]


Romney: "The only reason the unemployment rate seems a little lower today is...the number of people that have dropped out of the workforce." Wait, what?
posted by limeonaire at 6:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney called Obama "wonderful"!
posted by Burhanistan at 6:58 PM on October 16, 2012


My husband and his friends have an awful, sexist thing they say when someone is being too whiny to be tolerated. I try not to use it, but it keeps springing into my head every time Mittens gets in a twist about the time keeping. "Waahhhh, my p***y hurts!"
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 6:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


This format is kind of chaotic.
posted by feloniousmonk at 6:58 PM on October 16, 2012


computech_apolloniajames: "But who will be Mr. Gas?"

He magically shows up wherever there are nachos and sodas.
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


OMG her accent.
posted by zennie at 6:58 PM on October 16, 2012


Immigration policy. This will be interesting.
posted by koeselitz at 6:58 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney's using his talking to the help voice.
posted by Flashman at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [18 favorites]


Wow, Reagan was better at fixing a recession than Obama is at fixing a near-depression.

I'm better at getting out of a tall SUV than Felix is at opening his chute when jumping out of a space balloon.

I can do anything with these comparisons!
posted by mccarty.tim at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Oh, the disdain on her "Romney..."
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Heh. On mic "Lorraine, did I get that right?"

Off mic, seconds before, "What's your name? Lorraine?"
posted by mudpuppie at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Hahaha immigration question
posted by vuron at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012


hey, he can talk in italics "legal"
posted by HuronBob at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney likes mexicans because Ann is seriously half welch guys.
posted by delmoi at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Ha. She called him "Romney" to his face...
posted by mdn at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Wooo! That patterned pants lady got to ask a question! Roll your eyes at him again!
posted by King Bee at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh God he doesn't understand the Funny Foreign Sounding Name!
posted by howfar at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012


"Get a green card stapled to their diploma" - I don't know how well that's gonna play in Arizona....
posted by Phire at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney's Binder of Women now has a Twitter.
posted by raztaj at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Buuuuurn!
posted by ersatz at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012


Legal Immigrants
posted by octothorpe at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012


limeonaire: Unemployment measures the number of people who have no job, but are looking for work. When they stop looking for work, unemployment no longer accounts for them.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I read her opening as "How you dooin, President. Romney, (question)?"
posted by longtime_lurker at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


"sanctioned" elaborate?

"magnets"

dogwhistle city
posted by Miko at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Lorraine: Yeah hi whatever Gov, Romney...Hi Mr. President (wink, blush...smiles demurely...)

HA HA HA...

Lorraine is so cute.
posted by Skygazer at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


10 PRINT 'THE MIDDLE CLASS IS GETTING CRUSHED'
20 LOOP goto 10

I'm old...


I knew I did that wrong, but it has been twenty years since I did Basic. My joke, she is broken.

But like a virtuous woman I will not fix it in edit! My flag is nailed to the mast!
posted by winna at 6:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Hola. My PAPA was born in Mexico on a Mormon compound, so as to preserve bigamist beliefs.
posted by ericb at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


DRAFT ALL THE BROWN CHILDREN!
posted by mudpuppie at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Immigration? Let me tell you a personal anecdote.
posted by Malice at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Drivers licenses??
posted by naoko at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012


"Lorraine did I get that right"....such a transparent ploy, look, I'm so considerate talking to furriners...
posted by dhruva at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012


No more more free fridge magnets?
posted by Flashman at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012


Lulu's Pink Converse: “My husband and his friends have an awful, sexist thing they say when someone is being too whiny to be tolerated. I try not to use it, but it keeps springing into my head every time Mittens gets in a twist about the time keeping. ‘Waahhhh, my p***y hurts!’”

I think you misspelled that – didn't you mean "p***s"? Seems like that would make more sense, anyway.
posted by koeselitz at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


OK, Obama needs to say something like "now, since Romney didn't answer your question at all, allow me to..." Seriously.
posted by King Bee at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012


Um, kids of people who come here illegally are citizens if they are born here, Mr. Romney.
posted by wierdo at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012


"Let me babble for a bit and include an answer to your question." He can't answer this question, he's running for office for pete's sake.
posted by obscurator at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Year one...send all the latinos to Afganistan... problem(s) solved.
posted by HuronBob at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Is a magnet anything like an anchor?
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow, Reagan was better at fixing a recession than Obama is at fixing a near-depression.

And to think all that he had to do was raise taxes.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


"Military service is a pathway to become a citizen". Man screw you dude.
posted by cashman at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


The kids should be able to become citizens if we can use them as cannon fodder. Yaaaah
posted by bardophile at 7:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Holy cow I can't keep up with this thread, but has anyone noted that in addition to kicking ass on actual substance, Obama has wholly eliminated (not reduced but eliminated) his "uhs" and "ahs."

That is one very disciplined man.

Also "binders full of women," omg. Thank you, Mitt.
posted by torticat at 7:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


Thank you Gilleraine, did I get that right? Thank you. (jots down name to have her deported later)
posted by ian1977 at 7:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Did Romney just offer immigration preference for people who will go fight in the army?
posted by Theta States at 7:01 PM on October 16, 2012


Her name is Lorraine! Lorraine! Stop asking her!
posted by A Bad Catholic at 7:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP
posted by ersatz at 7:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [19 favorites]


Oh shit, he got Lorraine's name wrong. THE DEMOCRATS ARE SCREWED~!
posted by mazola at 7:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


koeselitz: "Lulu's Pink Converse: “My husband and his friends have an awful, sexist thing they say when someone is being too whiny to be tolerated. I try not to use it, but it keeps springing into my head every time Mittens gets in a twist about the time keeping. ‘Waahhhh, my p***y hurts!’”

I think you misspelled that – didn't you mean "p***s"? Seems like that would make more sense, anyway.
"

I am using that FROM NOW ON. I can't believe I didn't think of it.
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


Don't Question me Candy - I'm a Man!
posted by Miko at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


MILITARY SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP!
posted by Malice at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Haha.. Bam couldn't get it either. He's doing great tonight though! Hit his stride about 30 minutes in and he's in the zone now.
posted by ReeMonster at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012


Did Romney just offer immigration preference for people who will go fight in the army?

That's actually part of the DREAM act.
posted by delmoi at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012


Debate #1 "Big Bird." Debate #2 "Binders full of women." What b-word will haunt Romney for debate #3?
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama, don't take credit for the crappy economy reducing the number of people trying to cross illegally.
posted by wierdo at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012


Did Romney just offer immigration preference for people who will go fight in the army?

DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?
posted by Sticherbeast at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [22 favorites]


That time the word "gangbangers" appeared in a presidential debate.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Romney couldn't run away fast enough from the immigration question-- he gave up the floor to Obama so fast that Obama was not even ready.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012


Workforce participation has gone down in a serious way and its a real problem, fwiw, but it's not the explanation for whats going on with the numbers now.

Not watching. Can't bear it, but thoroughly enjoying the comments.
posted by idb at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama has wholly eliminated (not reduced but eliminated) his "uhs" and "ahs."

Good catch. totally true.
posted by Skygazer at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


tee hee gangbangers.
posted by en forme de poire at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Lorraine" is just not that difficult a name to pronounce.
posted by headnsouth at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


GANGBANG '12
posted by mynameisluka at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012


ersatz beat me to it.
posted by Malice at 7:02 PM on October 16, 2012



"Military service is a pathway to become a citizen"

So we're gonna staff our military with people who aren't citizens ?

That seems... not well thought out.
posted by Pogo_Fuzzybutt at 7:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


Why does CSPAN, among others, not have the clock time for answers/rebuttals sitting in the bottom right corner? I mean, jesus christ we do it for playclocks in football, isn't it worthwhile here?
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Mr President I love you but there is no such word as "oftentimes".
posted by Pallas Athena at 7:03 PM on October 16, 2012


obama says "we did these 3 things and they are 1... 2... 3..."

mitt says "i will do 5 things" and never says what they are
posted by askmehow at 7:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [15 favorites]


And to think all that he had to do was raise taxes.

And not be thwarted at every turn by a hostile congress
posted by rmless at 7:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"He said I will veto the DREAM act. We will encourage self deportation...making life so miserable that they'll leave. He said the Arizona law is a model for the nation." BURN BABY BURN.
posted by Phire at 7:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Thank God all those Welsh immigrants now have lawful paths to citizenship and will no longer be stopped because they look undocumented.
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Oh Obama is on.
posted by cashman at 7:03 PM on October 16, 2012


sketchy gangbangers
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:03 PM on October 16, 2012


There's a pathway to citizenship for people who have been here since they were children? One that doesn't require them to leave the country for over a decade? News to me.
posted by bswinburn at 7:03 PM on October 16, 2012


Looks like the flip flops are flapping home to roost.
posted by howfar at 7:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Go Barack, talk about Arizona's POS laws. And tell the crowd how Romney loved loved loved them.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 7:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


ersatz beat me to it.

Well, I'm from Buenos Aires...
posted by ersatz at 7:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mr President I love you but there is no such word as "oftentimes".

Maybe he said two words...often times?
posted by ian1977 at 7:04 PM on October 16, 2012


No, let me ignore your question and go back and answer what I want!
posted by meowf at 7:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Ohhhh man, calling Romney on his support of the Arizona immigration bill. Second-degree burn.
posted by clavier at 7:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Q: Let's go back to self-deportation
A: NO!
posted by delmoi at 7:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


What a rude asshole...
posted by HuronBob at 7:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney's an ass to the moderator.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Look, Lorrena or whoever you are, I'm planning on starting a lot of wars, and they won't fight themselves. We're going to need brown people on the front lines, Loretta. All we can import: tell your friends."
posted by gladly at 7:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [28 favorites]


Anti-profiling response. Good one!
posted by ersatz at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012


"No. Let me to back" phew...
posted by howfar at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012


Candy, please quit telling me what to do. You're not my REAL mom.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


How on earth has Romney's marriage lasted?
posted by de at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Mr President I love you but there is no such word as "oftentimes".

Huh? Sure there is.
posted by Miko at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


Wow.
posted by ReeMonster at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012


Self Deportation. Candy Crowley ... follow-up and make Flip address it.
posted by ericb at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012


Hey, Mitt, the President can't 'file' legislation. Congresspeople do that. US Citizenship 101.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


Nice job bringing up McCain, Mitt. Drape yourself with the sweet scent of victory.
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I swear to god, Mitt, if you ever put an image of you licking anything in my head again, so HELP ME GOD.
posted by goHermGO at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


CNN undecided trendline dips below 0 when he is nasty to Candy, flatlines at 0 the rest of the time.
posted by longtime_lurker at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012


SELF DEPORTATION
posted by Miko at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012


Stop saying "illegals" Mitt, it is not helping you.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Don't talk about being beaten by a losing presidential candidate, Mitt...
posted by fishmasta at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Licking my wounds. Oh, someone please make that a meme.
posted by blurker at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Man, it's almost like being President is really hard, Mittens.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


PRESIDENTS DON'T "FILE LEGISLATION" DAMMIT!
posted by HyperBlue at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Let people make their own choice."

So if they choose to stay, you'll be ok with that?
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Oh dear, "licking my wounds from being beaten by John McCain". Bad image mistake.
posted by dejah420 at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


"Licking my wounds from being beaten by John McCain." Really, you want to go there?
posted by sallybrown at 7:05 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney called people "Illegals". Not good.
posted by cashman at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


"Illegals" oh fuck.
posted by howfar at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


This whole referring to people as "illegals" thing is really kind of offensive, Romney.
posted by limeonaire at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Romney said 'Hispanics'.

They should just loop that over and over and play it in ads.

Oh god he's digging a crater with the self-deportation comment justification.
posted by winna at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney is giggling nervously, talking about licking wounds.

Obama, just offer to let him quit now.

It'll look civil.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012


My 5-year-old son just pointed at Mitt Romney and said "hey, he's a dumb one". Then went back to Disney Jr. on the iPad.
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [36 favorites]


Did Romney really say "illegals"?
posted by octothorpe at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


[crosstalk]
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Romney says he is not in favor of stopping illegal immigration.
posted by wierdo at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012


I love that Romney presents "they can't get the benefits they want" before "they can't get the jobs they want" as a reason to, uh, self-deport.
posted by asperity at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012


Yes, call undocumented immigrants "illegals", they love that and don't detect the pandering to the right wing at all.
posted by bswinburn at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012


Mittens...good fucking god.
posted by dejah420 at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012


ahhh....ye ole blind trust thing....
posted by lampshade at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh pension snap.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012


"My pension is not as big as yours." BOOM.
posted by Phire at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [18 favorites]


Damn! "Not as big as yours"
posted by Miko at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


ROMENY LICKS HIMSELF!
posted by ian1977 at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"just gonna make a point." well, not really...
posted by HuronBob at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012


OOh! Burned.
posted by cashman at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012


"I don't look at my pension, it's not as big as yours."

NICE.
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


JUST START PUNCHING
posted by Burhanistan at 7:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Blind Trust bullshit is bullshit
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012


OH SNAP!
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney is in full meltdown.
posted by Ad hominem at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


This is getting painful... the all talking at once, saying nothing thing...
posted by mdn at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012


Ohhhhhhh burn. "I don't look at my pension, it's not as big as yours."
posted by limeonaire at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Omg, Obama is having to, quite literally, throw the weight of the presidency behind the moderator to get this thing to move along.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Seriously, Governor. MittaTalk.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


Fucking bully for president. NO THANKS MITTENS.
posted by HyperBlue at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Feburary 2008: Right Wing Anoints Mitt Romney The New ‘Face Of Conservatism’
posted by homunculus at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012


it's not as big as yours so it doesn't take as long. LITERAL LOL.
posted by en forme de poire at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


The funny part about a pension measuring contest is that, in politics anyways, the smaller one wins.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Mittens is going off the reservation about the cayman islands.
posted by dejah420 at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012


"If I could just have you SIT DOWN GOVERNOR ROMNEY THANK YOU"
posted by headnsouth at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com
posted by Flashman at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Big laugh...he's attacking Obama for having a pension now?
posted by howfar at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


OMG CANDY JUST TOLD ROMNEY TO SIT DOWN!!!! GO CANDY GO!!!
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


"Mr. Obama, do you look at your blind trust!?"

"It's not as big as yours..."

Why did he open himself up to that? He really should have just let it go.
posted by delmoi at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney oh my god stop being a douche to the moderator.
posted by clavier at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012


I don't look at my pension, it's not as big a yours, it doesn't take me as long
posted by triggerfinger at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"His top advisor on immigration is the guy who designed the entirety of it [the Arizona law]." Bam!
posted by limeonaire at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


That is going to play well to the right -- Obama won't let Romney explain, he's so mean, Romney must be correct!
posted by inigo2 at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow, this debate is kind of a mess.
posted by insectosaurus at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


That interchange went really really badly for Romney there.
posted by vuron at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012


Mitt needs a time out I think.
posted by lampshade at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012


This is hard to watch. Almost feel sorry for Romney.
posted by jamesonandwater at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012


Deck him, Mr President. I am totally releasing you from any sort of moral compunction against physical violence against this interrupting cow.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Oh god I was so focused on the use of 'Hispanics' that I didn't even HEAR that he said 'illegals'.
posted by winna at 7:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


"Have you looked at your pension? Let me give you some advice."

Shut up, Fuckface Romney! You are a smug, entitled asshole!
posted by ericb at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney hounding on MR PRESIDENT WHAT ABOUT YOUR PENSION HUH reminds me mostly of a dog that really wants to go outside. "MR PRESIDENT ANSWER MY QUESTION SIR HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY I NEED TO GO OUTSIDE HEY HEY HEY OH HEY HEY CAN WE GO WALKIES HEY HEY."
posted by cjelli at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


I hope to god someone finds a way for candidates to discuss issues in a manner that makes us proud, because this isn't it..

I don't want to vote for either of them.
posted by HuronBob at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com

You knew that was coming but dang the internet is quick.
posted by cashman at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


I'm sorry, that man should not even be a hopeful. How did that happen?
posted by de at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Obama: "Carrie's a dude?"
posted by maryr at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]



"Mr. Obama, do you look at your blind trust!?"

"It's not as big as yours..."

Why did he open himself up to that? He really should have just let it go.


I don't know, I thought that was pretty funny. 99% of Americans don't have blind trusts, and many of them don't even have pensions or 401Ks.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Don't go away, Mr. President."

"I'm here."

'Bout time.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Libya – wow.
posted by koeselitz at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012


Such a plant.
posted by Miko at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


GLOBAL TELECOM SUPPLY IN MINNEOLA SITTING AROUND AND TALKING ABOUT LIBYA
posted by King Bee at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


(This will not be easy.)
posted by koeselitz at 7:08 PM on October 16, 2012


Q: "Let me tell you how much the company I work rocks... Now, on Libya"
posted by delmoi at 7:09 PM on October 16, 2012


People have short memories. Republicans tried to crucify GW over sensible immigration ideas.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oh god I was so focused on the use of 'Hispanics' that I didn't even HEAR that he said 'illegals'.

As soon as he slips up and says NEGROES or COLOREDS i am downing this entire bottle of tequila.
posted by elizardbits at 7:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [29 favorites]


I'm sorry, that man should not even be a hopeful. How did that happen?

Trump Gingrich Perry Bachman Cain Santorum Gingrich.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


Quoting a friend: "Self-deportation": what Mitt's grandparents did to avoid U.S. polygamy laws."
posted by Miko at 7:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [23 favorites]


If Mitt gets in the President's face one more goddamn time....I LOVE how Obama just laughs him off.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Wow, this debate is kind of a mess.

No, Jim Leher was a mess.
posted by zardoz at 7:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Pretty obvious that Romney was going for a zinger and hoping to get Obama to say "I don't look at my portfolio" or some such.

Just what I thought btw.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Woah! Did you hear the smooth in his voice when he said..."Okay...hi Kerry"
posted by ian1977 at 7:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Lets see if Romney has the balls to tell obama to "man up" on this, like his advisers have been saying he will...
posted by delmoi at 7:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Why did I know that Cary was going to try to bring up a "gotcha question"?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


As soon as he slips up and says NEGROES or COLOREDS i am downing this entire bottle of tequila.

Don't do that baby bean we don't have universal health care and the emergency room bill would be astronomical for alcohol poisoning.
posted by winna at 7:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


"That's now how a commander in chief operates." That's a really great line.
posted by Phire at 7:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


"Military service is a pathway to become a citizen"

Wasn't that the plot of Starship Troopers? We're going to start sending hopeful citizens to other planets to fight gigantic bugs?
posted by fuse theorem at 7:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Mitt is SO coming off like some lily-tighty-white talking down to the Negro Help.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


>i am downing this entire bottle of tequila

Tequila, huh? You sound like on those Anchor Drunks.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Wait, there's tequila...??? I just have wine.
posted by HuronBob at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Here is the demeanor I wanted Obama to settle into. Focused, forceful, strong voiced. I am so glad to see him back.
posted by cashman at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Gut punch.
posted by Miko at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012


That was a strong response on Libya.
posted by koeselitz at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012


I was just told that "Binders full of Women" is trending on twitter.
posted by cashman at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012


*cringes at the heaving, breathing, red-faced Angry Romney. God help us.*
posted by mynameisluka at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012


romney is so red and close to meltdown
posted by triggerfinger at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012


'Thank you Cary, for your question. The funds will be in your account in three business days.'
posted by winna at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


This doesn't look presidential on either of their parts, but Obama is backed into a corner on this. Last time when he just let Mitt be the lone asshole, he got called a wimp, so this time Obama has to throw in there with Mitt.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Why didn't he mention the $300odd million in funding the Republicans blocked?
posted by inigo2 at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


The Romney smile is now like a half smirk.

This has got to be killing Romney - to be called on the carpet without mercy. Something a CEO is not used to that often.
posted by lampshade at 7:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


That was a good ending to Obama's answer.

Mitt flat-out just said it was Obama's fault.
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney gives a shit about you, really.
posted by HyperBlue at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012


So the question was roughly, "The State Department refused extra security [in Libya]—who was it that denied enhanced security, and why?" Obama's not really answering that question...and now Romney's turning it around with the feigned empathy.
posted by limeonaire at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm a little amazed at how quickly Romney has run out of energy-- he sounds like he has been up for more than 24 hours.

Obama, on the other hand sounds great, very energetic.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Wait, there's tequila...??? I just have wine.

hey me too! pass the good stuff!
posted by Lutoslawski at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney lies again: Obama said it was a terrorist attack on the 12th.
posted by wierdo at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow, this debate is kind of a mess.

No, Jim Leher was a mess.

No, Jim Lehrer didn't even show up to moderate. At least I can HEAR Candy sometimes.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I hope Obama has seen the NYTimes article that says yes, it was because of the video.
posted by cashman at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney sounds terrible on this answer.
posted by octothorpe at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Maybe because it's really hard to figure out crime scenes in Libya? And analysis takes time?
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney in critical overload mode...bzzt..bzzt...Libya....
posted by Skygazer at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Tequila? Self-Deport yourself, you illegal, drink Kentucky straight bourbon (I'm drinking vodka, and on the next flight to Novosibirsk thank you very much)
posted by King Bee at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I've long felt that this issue was not going to get the traction Romney's team wants. This sort of cements that perception. Obama's team made a mistake, they take responsibility, it's tragic, it's a difficult world that's in a fucking mess. Let it go. Stop trying to score political points on it. It looks freaking bad.
posted by Miko at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


A preemptive strike. "I am ultimately responsible."
posted by Golden Eternity at 7:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


YEAH IT TAKES TIME TO KNOW THINGS FUCKHEAD.
posted by delmoi at 7:13 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Why didn't he mention the $300odd million in funding the Republicans blocked?

That's part of the follow-up.
posted by dobi at 7:13 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney was compared unfavorably to W? damn, I'm missing a good one aren't I. I'm hoping he short-circuits here..
posted by ninjew at 7:13 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Is that what they call presidential? Mitt is looking like amateur hour here in contrast.
posted by ersatz at 7:13 PM on October 16, 2012


SYMBOLIC SIGNIFICANCE
posted by mynameisluka at 7:13 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


What happens if I put vodka in my PBR?
posted by zennie at 7:13 PM on October 16, 2012


If Obama went to the bathroom Romeny would say he was taking a metaphorical and literal shit on Americans.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:13 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney looks completely lost in this Libya question.
posted by humanfont at 7:13 PM on October 16, 2012


Wait, there's tequila...??? I just have wine.

I only have beer but I have to work tomorrow, dammit. Why can't these things be on weekends?
posted by octothorpe at 7:13 PM on October 16, 2012


Seems like it's chilling out a bit, even though the bullshit still flows like the Mississippi.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012


Maybe because, Goddamnit, sometimes national security means doing the right thing by the people whose lives are on the line - or whose lives have been lost - instead of appeasing the talking heads on Sunday morning political programs?
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


oh my god is he calling the Libya info stream a cover up? Way to go Romney.
posted by clavier at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012


What does that mean? "Daylight between us and Israel"?
posted by blurker at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney, what fundraisers were you attending after the Benghazi murders? The internet will know, never fear.
posted by Pallas Athena at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Iran is "four years closer to a nuclear bomb" the way that I am four years closer to being named supreme ruler of the universe. Did they buy more centrifuges?
posted by Phire at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [26 favorites]


First time I've ever liked Mitt: he pronounced Iran correctly. One tiny point in his favor against about 40 billion against.
posted by sallybrown at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


And what would you have done? Would you have invaded? How do you think, Romney, that they will react to you and your talk of oil independence and your distrust of foreign nations?
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Wow, the end of that answer was a totally rambling. Romney is losing the plot.
posted by delmoi at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


What happens if I put vodka in my PBR?

Russian hipster party.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Romney sounds terrible on this answer.

He really does seem like he's just winding down. Like his batteries are draining and there's a little monitor by his head like "10% left, save your work".
posted by cashman at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Boy, Mittens cow cannot WAIT to get us into another war, can he? Attack Iran, attack Libya, brown people bad.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Obama: "Romney is a jerk whose first response to Libya was to politicize it."
Romney: "Yeah, and that's what I'm going to do for the next two minutes."
posted by Pope Guilty at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Why can't these things on weekends?

Seriously. Not a bad idea, it would become like the Superbowl eventually.
posted by Miko at 7:14 PM on October 16, 2012


symbolic significance, brought to you by the department of redundancy department.
posted by iamkimiam at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


This is ridiculous and vapid.

It's the distillation of the idea that politics is a boxing match. A fucking spectator sport and equally vapid.

This is not a question of cheering for the home team and screaming at the referee.
posted by cacofonie at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Smack that bastard down!
posted by Burhanistan at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012


And the suggestion....

Go
posted by hal9k at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Why does it being an attack by terrorists call into question Obama's whole policy in the Middle East? It's just a fact that there are a number of people in the Middle East who want to kill us; do we really think they'd want to kill us less if Romney were president?
posted by limeonaire at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oooh... righteous anger from Obama. This is good.
posted by koeselitz at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Awesome. Eat a lemon, you liar.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"The suggestion that anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own, governor, is OFFENSIVE."
posted by headnsouth at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [21 favorites]


Yes, looking right at Mitt. Yes!
posted by cashman at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"The suggestion that anyone on my team would play politics after we've just lost four of our own is offensive. That's not what we do."
posted by Phire at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oh he is mad. There was genuine rage when he said 'The suggestion that anyone on my team would play politics when we lost four of our own is offensive.'
posted by winna at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Yeah Obama! Offensive indeed.
posted by Go Banana at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Killed it!
posted by Defying Gravity at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012


HOLY SHIT, I was not expecting that about Lybia. Nice speech, SIR.
posted by Theta States at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Nice. Obama says that Romney's accusations are "offensive".
posted by wierdo at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama straight telling Romney what Romney said was "offensive", straight to his face.
posted by shortfuse at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


I'd like to welcome Pissed Obama to the debate. Pissed Romney has been here for a while.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Obama is kicking ass right here
posted by triggerfinger at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh yeah, Barry is mad.
posted by dejah420 at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


oh my god is he calling the Libya info stream a cover up? Way to go Romney.
I listened to Hannity for like 30 seconds this morning, and he referred to it as such blithely, as if it were common knowledge.
posted by obscurator at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Damn. Obama is smacking him down.

Romney looks like an idiot.
posted by delmoi at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012


STOP TALKING OVER THE MODERATOR MITT YOU FUCK
posted by Pope Guilty at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Iran is "four years closer to a nuclear bomb" the way that I am four years closer to being named supreme ruler of the universe. Did they buy more centrifuges?

I, for one, welcome our phirey overlords.
posted by ersatz at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Obama: I'm the one who meets the Motherfuckin' caskets, Governor.


Oh shit.
posted by Skygazer at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


EXHILARATION
posted by mynameisluka at 7:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Phire- no they're just spinning them faster

Oh wait, that's US doing that, because it Breaks Them
posted by mrzarquon at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Trendlines topping out, staying there for about 20 secs.
posted by longtime_lurker at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


Governer
posted by Golden Eternity at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


HAHA GET THE TRANSCRIPT MOTHERFUCKER
posted by elizardbits at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


OMG "this is offensive"! Wow!
posted by KGMoney at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Hahahaha
posted by The Hamms Bear at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


SMACKDOWN ACT OF TERROR BOO-YAH
posted by mudpuppie at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


HAAA! Candy is calling Romney out on a lie!
posted by koeselitz at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Oh wow.
posted by Rhaomi at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


OH GOD CANDY I LOVE YOU!
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


OH SHIIIIIT CANNNDY
posted by Greg Nog at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]



Wasn't that the plot of Starship Troopers? We're going to start sending hopeful citizens to other planets to fight gigantic bugs?

It's a recurring in theme in much of Heinlein's work.
posted by Pogo_Fuzzybutt at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh FUCK
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


CANDY CALLS OUT MITT ON BEING A LYING SACK OF SHIT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
posted by Pope Guilty at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [15 favorites]


Please proceed, Governor dickhead.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Crowley is fact-checking live! Fucking amazing.
posted by Phire at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


"can you say that a little louder, Candy?"
hahahaha, awesome!
posted by Theta States at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


He's going to spit on the moderator and reject her flex hours.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Oh shit, Crowley calls romney out on the lie!
posted by wierdo at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


Can you say that a little louder, Candy! Romney officially lost right there.
posted by cashman at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Go Candy! Fact-checking on the fly!
posted by Defying Gravity at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Hahaha, people are clapping against the rules.
posted by delmoi at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


whoa!
posted by dhruva at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


OBAMA IS PISSED AND SHOULD BE!!!!
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]



Please proceed, Governor. (smile)
posted by droomoord at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


BAM. ZING, Romney you got called out and fucked!
posted by ericb at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Called out by the moderator.
posted by dejah420 at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


Get the transcript...

Talk about Death of a Salesman.
posted by Pudhoho at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Crowley points out the actual facts! There is a fair amount of applause.
posted by winna at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I was doubtful about Romney's eyebrows, but y'know, they're really presidential.
posted by asperity at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


OH MY GOD CANDY JUST CALLED ROMNEY ON HIS SHIT AND THE CROWD CLAPPED
posted by craven_morhead at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [21 favorites]


Woo! Go Candy! Truth squad that!
posted by bswinburn at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


"Please proceed, Governor, I'm not going to fucking play ventriloquist dummy for you."
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


OH CANDY FUCK YEAH
posted by triggerfinger at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Holy shit, moderator fact-checking.
posted by dirigibleman at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Oh shit.
posted by nosila at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


Applause!!! For the moderator. *slow clap for the moderator*
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


You stuttering Romney?
posted by delmoi at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney missed a huge chance to look presidential when he followed went pit-bull on Obama about the attack on the embassy. He should have just said, 'I agree that when you're president the buck stops with you. Let's move on.'
posted by zennie at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama: "Please proceed governor."

That's right, give him enough rope to hang himself.
posted by A Bad Catholic at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


"Can you say that a little louder, Candy?"
posted by item at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


So much back-pedaling!
posted by maryr at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


OOOHHHHHH SNAAAAAAP
posted by Evernix at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney is sounding like an idiot.... wow
posted by HuronBob at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012


Uh dude it can both be terrorism and spontaneous, it's not like they have to pencil it in and sign up on a Doodle first.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


Look at the transcripts.
posted by ericb at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012


OH MY GOD MITT ROMNEY, YOU WERE FACT CHECKED LIVE. THIRD-DEGREE BURN.
posted by clavier at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


Romney really screwed the pooch on this whole exchange about Libya / terror / Rose Garden.
posted by Flunkie at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MODERATION WIN
posted by en forme de poire at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow, Obama.

"Get a transcript!"
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


And he used the Red Phone again to get Romney to sit down. Mitt has a hissy.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Oh he just hung his head as he went back to his seat!
posted by meowf at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Romney in full indignant tone: How dare Obama go to a fund raiser!? Right,Romney, Im sure you would never do anything like that.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


i have the hugest emotional boner right now ngl
posted by elizardbits at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Romney melting down a bit there... Stumbling, stuttering.
posted by shortfuse at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Now THAT was a zinger.
posted by cjelli at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012


Holy cow, gun control! I would have NEVER expected this.
posted by Phire at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Has someone ID'd Nina Gonzalez? She looks Welsh.
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Gun control! Hello third rail.
posted by winna at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012


/fans self
posted by Phire at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


And Romney continues to dig himself in on Libya after he just got creamed. The sad thing is that he completely fucked himself. Obama didn't answer the question in the first place. Had he let it go, Obama would have looked very weak in that exchange, IMO.
posted by wierdo at 7:17 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney just lost it here.
posted by ersatz at 7:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Remember folks, whoever hates the moderator more, lost the debate.

Candy just lost Romney the debate.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Demand a Plan
posted by homunculus at 7:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


All debates should be ladies nights!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


That was Romney's "Crime. Boy, I don't know" moment.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


lol finger guns
posted by ninjew at 7:19 PM on October 16, 2012


"Weapons that were designed for soldiers do not belong on our streets." YES.
posted by Phire at 7:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [15 favorites]


Are we done talking about how Candy is a weak moderator now?
posted by craven_morhead at 7:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


He called it Terrorism on September 12.
posted by zarq at 7:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Whoa, assault weapons ban comes up. NRA goes into full ballistic mode.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 7:19 PM on October 16, 2012


Thank you, president, for pointing out that gun violence is a big-picture thing, not something called AK47.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Yes please reintroduce an assault weapons ban.
posted by clavier at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012


It's important to talk about the larger social issues around systematic gun violence. This is a good answer.
posted by winna at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Wow, Obama is saying maybe we should do something about gun control, maybe.

I hope the NRA sends him a fruit basket for the increased sales.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


$10 he says "Fast and furious"
posted by delmoi at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Dude, even I know that "automatic weapons" doesn't mean what you think it means.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"I'm not familiar with..." any fucking thing...
posted by HuronBob at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Destruction.
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012


Um, automatic weapons aren't illegal...?
posted by mudpuppie at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Anyone watching CNN's "undecided voter" graph? How did it react when Mitt was fact checked by Crowley?
posted by jamesonandwater at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012


It's already illegal to have automatic weapons?
posted by zennie at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012


I thought the assault weapon ban had expired? Somebody hit me with a cluex4?
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012


NY Times Fact Checks:

Mr. Romney just repeated the false charge — which he also made during the first debate — that Mr. Obama has doubled the deficit.

Mr. Romney charged that Mr. Obama promised the unemployment rate would be 5.4 percent by now. (It is currently 7.8 percent.) This is an old canard

Mr. Romney just charged that “a recent study has shown that people in the middle class will see $4,000 a year higher taxes as a result of the spending and borrowing of this administration” — a claim that FactCheck.org recently examined and labeled “nonsense.”

r. Romney correctly stated that he produced a balanced budget during each of his four years in office. But that’s hardly unusual: every governor does it. The Massachusetts constitution requires that the budget be balanced.

Mr. Romney just warned that Mr. Obama’s plan to let the Bush-era income tax cuts for the highest-earning Americans expire would hurt small businesses. But 97 percent of small businesses do not earn enough to be hit by the higher rates

Mr. Romney said he wanted to keep the Pell Grant program growing. This a new position for him...The governor and his campaign have repeatedly criticized President Obama’s expansion of the Pell Grant program, which they have said is unsustainable

posted by Miko at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [24 favorites]


Romney's ticker goes negative when he says he doesn't want new laws on guns
posted by triggerfinger at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


These questions are so non consecutive and varied. Must be really hard to jump around like that in your mind and switch topics so fast.

Guess I won't be president. I am still thinking about the things from 3 questions ago.
posted by rmless at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Okay, converted to Candyism.
posted by mdn at 7:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Oh Mitt is talking about the culture of violence someone might need to go help miss elizardbits.
posted by winna at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Now would be a good time for Romney to point out his experience, vis a vis his forefathers fighting the good fight against the cartel in Mexico.
posted by obscurator at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012


Um, Mr Romney, automatic weapons aren't exactly illegal in this country...
posted by item at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I think Mitt needs a nap.
posted by howfar at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012


Point for Mitt actually saying "culture of violence".
posted by Theta States at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012


Change our culture of violence says the guy who wants to jump Syria's shit tomorrow.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


Charles Pierce tweets that Romney signed an assault weapons ban in MA.
posted by Flashman at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


$10 he says "Fast and furious"

You mean $10,000 right? No? Begone.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Solution to gun violence: Ban gay marriage.
posted by delmoi at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [23 favorites]


Aaaaaaand the Mormon comes out.
posted by Miko at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Romney is agreeing with Obama on gun control. Automatic points to Obama.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012


There better be fucking gay marriage question.
posted by Theta States at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012


Parents are not really a good form of gun control. Just saying.

And ps? Two parent families sometimes include folks who can't legally marry.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


SINGLE MOMS CAUSE GUN VIOLENCE holy fuck please do not elect this man
posted by headnsouth at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [35 favorites]


Single moms, you should think about how your decision not to abort made people shoot each other in the head.
posted by zennie at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [18 favorites]


why is he talking about making babies

you don't need machine guns to make babies

that is not how it works
posted by elizardbits at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [38 favorites]


" Girls, get married before you have babies. This is how I'd affect gun violence" -- Mitt Romney, 10/16/12
posted by mudpuppie at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [20 favorites]


LOL FOREVER
posted by mynameisluka at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Whoa...your answer to the question about keeping AK-47s off the street has to do with building nuclear families?
posted by limeonaire at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Getting married before having babies!
posted by ericb at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"weapons that were designed for soldiers in War Theatres... don't belong on our streets."
posted by infinite intimation at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Wait.

Wait.

Romney.

WHAT

THE

FUCK?
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


WOW, single moms create gun violence! Nice one Mittens.
posted by en forme de poire at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Obama on gun control: "Let's take reasonable efforts to control gun violence."

Romney on gun control: "HELLO BASE, I'VE GOT SOME DOG WHISTLES AND VICTIM BLAMING FOR YOU!"
posted by Panjandrum at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


You mean $10,000 right? No? Begone.

Yeah. Especially since I just won my bet!
posted by delmoi at 7:21 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh my godddd I can't breathe through Romney's heteronormativity.
posted by clavier at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


"If you are going to have a baby you might want to think about getting married" (said in holier-than-thou voice). I hate him so bad right now.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


I owe Delmoi $10, damn
posted by HuronBob at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


delmoi: "$10 he says "Fast and furious""

You sir are a winner!
posted by octothorpe at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012


He's standing next to the President of the United States, who was raised by a single mom.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [79 favorites]


Is Romn-E seriously arguing that the solution to gun violence is marriage?
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


$10 he says "Fast and furious"

You win!
posted by cashman at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012


AK's aren't illegal, either, Mittens.
posted by item at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ignoring a gun violence question and answering it with a more offensive opinion about heteronormativism????

ROMN--eeYYY bzzt..bzzt..zbztb.ztz.btz.sd......
posted by obscurator at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Automatic weapons aren't actually illegal, just very very expensive because only pre-1986 guns are still legal. They do require a very expensive license from the federal government to possess, though.
posted by wierdo at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012


oh geez........the unmarried black moral hole...keep it up Mitt..

And there it is! FAST AND FURIOUS
posted by lampshade at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


The violence in America is Obama's fault? What?
posted by maryr at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


what if magic parents appered i bet people wouldn shoot each other as much then

i swear to make parent appear and raise a child so it grows up real good

ill make new fathers from my cloning chambers if need be
posted by Greg Nog at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


"I am not a fan of new legislation on gun control" No shit, sherlock, your party would flay you alive.



Oh shit. Did Romney just claim that single moms are the reason gun violence is so bad? Oh you ladies need to close your legs and everything will be peaceful.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


SINGLE MOMS CAUSE GUN VIOLENCE

That's why women come in binders.
posted by inigo2 at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [22 favorites]


Facebook page for Binders Full of Women
posted by triggerfinger at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


GET MARRIED, PEOPLE, OR YOU CAUSE VIOLENCE. I COME FROM THE 50s TO WARN YOU!
posted by ersatz at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [16 favorites]


Wow, my parents got divorced, like about 50% of all children's parents do. It's a freaking miracle that I haven't shot anyone, just like it's a miracle every divorced children hasn't. So lucky that miracle happens everyday. That is what you call a miracle, isn't it? Something that's totally and absolutely commonplace?
posted by bswinburn at 7:22 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Fact-checked live by Candy again!!!
posted by sallybrown at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney in full fail mode here. Candy had to be like, okay dude, come back to the question.
posted by cashman at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Wow. Romney turns a question about gun control into a rant about two-parent (heterosexual, obvs) families.
posted by Defying Gravity at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney now running from his MA record on guns. Ha ha.
posted by shortfuse at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


> Point for Mitt actually saying "culture of violence".

Point reversed for blaming it on single mothers.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


And then they created gun babies, who never ever raised their weapons to hurt people?
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"If you liked it then you shoulda put a Glock on it...."
posted by mudpuppie at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


"The NRA signed off on my assult-weapons ban, OK? "
posted by delmoi at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012


Still reeling from the lighting that just struck through there.
posted by zangpo at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"OR YOU COULD ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION"
-Candy Crowley [paraphrased]
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


Automatic weapons means More than one round per trigger pull, that's big guns or older weapons from pre 19__ (I forget the year). The AK47s and AR15 weapons %99.99999 of gun owners maybe have/own are Semi-Automatic.

Meanwhile Romney is in mansplain mode to Candy.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'll bet anyone here $10 that HuronBob doesn't pay delmoi.
posted by item at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal
posted by homunculus at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Oh, Candy. You complete me.
posted by blurker at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Oh damn Candy calls Romney on his waffling. High fives all around.
posted by clavier at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


I'm in denial.

Did that REALLY just happen??

No way, that just happened...
posted by Skygazer at 7:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


It was NEVER YOUR FUCKING STATE, NITWITTENS!
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"washington is a place that is gridlocked". Yeah jerk, that's because your republican buddies are obstructing everything.
posted by cashman at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Romney sure blinks a lot when challenged.
posted by figurant at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


By the way, talking about violence and guns and Mexico without talking about drugs is moot. But hey, let's not go there.
posted by ersatz at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


*SemiAutomatic meaning one round per trigger pull.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Most of my adolescence was under a single mom.

WHERE'S MY ASSAULT RIFLE, NOBAMA?
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [14 favorites]


Oh you ladies need to close your legs and everything will be peaceful.

but that's where i keep my .50cal
posted by elizardbits at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [29 favorites]


Mitt's certainly going to improve his standing with single women with these sorts of answers. Get a man already women!
posted by vuron at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue
posted by Evernix at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012


CAPS IS HOW I FEEL INSIDE
posted by triggerfinger at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [23 favorites]


also I feel like telling President Obama that single parents lead to gun violence is kind of like telling Jo Biden how to feel about car crashes.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [33 favorites]


Russian hipster party.

Turns out I just start making loktos of atypios.
posted by zennie at 7:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I don't know what people are complaining about. Now this is a DEBATE. Heated, awkward, and full of put downs. And Obama is KILLING.
posted by zardoz at 7:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


heh questioner: 'I know you signed legislation supporting the assault weapon ban, so why do you say in your answer now that you don't support it?'
Obama followup: 'Well, Romney was for the assault weapon ban before he was against it'.
posted by jacalata at 7:25 PM on October 16, 2012


Unless Obama drops dead in the next five minutes, he wins.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:25 PM on October 16, 2012


Nassau has a community college? I bet that shit is posh, son.
posted by cashman at 7:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Moderator is definitely better now. Her part in the Libya thing was truly epic, and she seems to have generally got things a little more under control than earlier.
posted by Flunkie at 7:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Damn, gotta go. It's been fun!
posted by zardoz at 7:25 PM on October 16, 2012


My parents got divorced but then got back together. Does this mean I can only shoot zombies with my automatic weapons?
posted by item at 7:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Oh you ladies need to close your legs and everything will be peaceful.
but that's where i keep my .50cal


Duh, that's DANGEROUS
posted by King Bee at 7:25 PM on October 16, 2012


Guys, the debate is pretty much over.

Binders full of single mothers are going to go to the ballot box.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


I now understand why I so much less than my male coworkers. I'm not in a binder, I don't have guns, and I don't have a man.
posted by winna at 7:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Obama now shutting down Candy. Not good to watch.
posted by shortfuse at 7:25 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


"Governor Romney said that hiring teachers does not grow our economy." Ouch.
posted by Phire at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Jesus, why did Obama go into Romney mode there. Just don't do it.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Oh Obama, be a better person, don't be mean to Candy! Stop taking Candy from her job!
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Whoa, assault weapons ban comes up. NRA goes into full ballistic mode.

This is Sparta!
posted by homunculus at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


No Obama don't fight Candy what are you doing
posted by chaff at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Outsourcing! Romney has to be like "aw damn."
posted by cashman at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012


Yes please social and educational reform. Go on, call Romney on his dismissal of social programs.
posted by clavier at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012


SENSATA, motherfucker.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Binder clips. Ammo clips. Magazines. It's all connected!
posted by ceribus peribus at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012


ok....here we go...the Sensata moment
posted by lampshade at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Barack, SENSATA. Bring it up. Do I have to spell it out for you?
posted by obscurator at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012


I want more questions about gay rights.

That will never happen, unfortunately.
posted by King Bee at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Yes, a lot of good people have lost jobs when jobs have moved to China by COMPANIES LIKE BAIN CAPITAL.
posted by headnsouth at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


"China is the largest manufacturer in the world, it used to be America"

HMMMM, could it be because they have 4 times as many people as you?
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


You need to get to work on that then winna and don't forget to vote Romney/Ryan.
posted by vuron at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'll bet anyone here $10 that HuronBob doesn't pay delmoi.

HuronBob pays, gets his $10 back.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Okay Obama, shh!
posted by ersatz at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012


And to make an utterly off-topic point, srsly.
posted by Rhaomi at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012


Stop trying to make "trickle down government" work, Mitt. It's no Big Bird.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Trickle down government!

Drink!
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


"Trickle down government has not worked anywhere. Except, like, Canada, and Europe, and Australia...."
posted by Phire at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


jesus, maybe obama just had altitude sickness in Denver?
posted by boo_radley at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I wish Obama's answer on this started with "Outsourcing? Oh Governor you shouldn't have even tried to answer that one."
posted by cashman at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I love that they're sticking with the "trickle down government" thing!
posted by nobody at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012


Jesus, why did Obama go into Romney mode there. Just don't do it.

Nah, he only did it once, that's ok. It's doing it repeatedly that hurts a candidate.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


When Romney goes to sleep, he'll be dreaming of the "terror" fact check. He could have survived this debate otherwise, but that was brutal to watch.
posted by Sticherbeast at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Stop trying to make "trickle-down government" happen. It's not going to happen.
posted by Phire at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Romney talking against outsourcing is too much too bear.
posted by ersatz at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Trickle down government" has to be the least descriptive phrase of the election cycle.
posted by bswinburn at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


OhHAHAHA Romney talking about outsourcing, priceless.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Trickle down govt. Romney is going into rerun mode hoping we will all just remember the first debate.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney prices goods low compete advantageous ** bzzzzz snt! Bzzzzzzzz....
posted by Miko at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012


Day 1: I am going to call China names.
posted by maryr at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


Mitt "Outsourcer-in-Chief" Romney complaining about manufacturing jobs going overseas is pretty fucking lol.
posted by Pope Guilty at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


WHAT ABOUT MEDIUM BUSINESS?
posted by ersatz at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Oh great.....calling China economic terrorists. I guess he will get to that right after bombing Iran.
posted by lampshade at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


"to make sure i get all the money," cackled romney evilly
posted by elizardbits at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


> Oh you ladies need to close your legs and everything will be peaceful.

>> but that's where i keep my .50cal

So basically this?
posted by Panjandrum at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012


Mitt is THE LAST MAN ON EARTH to hold anyone accountable on trade.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'll bet anyone here $10 that HuronBob doesn't pay delmoi.

Send me an address....!
posted by HuronBob at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012


mitt's going to be strict!
posted by mudpuppie at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012


Fuck yeah! Why won't Obama label china! I will label china on day one right after I repeal omabacare!
posted by Ad hominem at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


And seriously holy shit neoliberalism turns out to be for poor countries only
posted by Pope Guilty at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney talking against outsourcing is too much too bear.

Romney talking against outsourcing is just enough to beer.
posted by Theta States at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


What does trickle down government even mean?
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Jesus, why did Obama go into Romney mode there. Just don't do it.

You never go full Romney.
posted by King Bee at 7:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [18 favorites]


Right, Mitt, because in your own life you follow the economic rules strictly and play by them.
posted by cashman at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Playing by the rules? Like having Swiss bank accounts? Like Bain's outsourced jobs to China? Who writes these rules?
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Tonight Romney will have a dream about an alternate future where he is in office and has to deal with actual China policy.

He will wake in a gibbering sweat.
posted by Pallas Athena at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012


But it may be that the secret speedy tariff rules are part of what the Binder-Americans have access to.
posted by winna at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012


Like, is government viscous?
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


China has been a currency manipulator for years and years and years??
America has been a currency manipulator for years and years and years!!
posted by de at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney is going to lay tariffs on China? We have entered full crazy mode, please fasten your seat belts and put all seat backs and tray tables into their locked orientation.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I can't possibly be the first person to think Obama tanked the first debate after this massacre.
posted by JayG at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


China .... -- > Obamacare!
posted by mudpuppie at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Canada qualifies as "overseas" now?
posted by clavier at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm looking forward to Romney declaring war on China after we invade Iran.
posted by vuron at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"Trickle-down government" is hilarious, because it's trying to play off of how people remember how "trickle-down economics" didn't work.
posted by Sticherbeast at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


If I were starting a business, it would be in Canada. Because then if I or my employees got sick it wouldn't be a big deal.

(also I could stay home, which'd be nice)
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


You....you....currency manipulator!
posted by ian1977 at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Yes, Obamacare has been a disaster on companies that want to hire people and not give them healthcare.
posted by delmoi at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


I love that in the shot of romney you can see the time run out in the big red clock....he's still talking, almost a minute after his clock went off. And hasn't answered the question.
posted by dejah420 at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow the audience just booed Romney on the China question.
posted by humanfont at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Mitt Romney is an equal opportunity lover of wars - not just violent wars, but also trade wars! Hurray!
posted by Phire at 7:29 PM on October 16, 2012


Wait, isn't this supposed to be over right now? We're in OT!
posted by longtime_lurker at 7:30 PM on October 16, 2012


>WHAT ABOUT MEDIUM BUSINESS?

It's bad times in the media business.
posted by maryr at 7:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney wants to make sure more people are hired...but he's said nothing about how much those people would be paid, especially women.
posted by limeonaire at 7:30 PM on October 16, 2012


I wish Obama would mention that Romney personally sent jobs over seas.
posted by delmoi at 7:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Yeah, people must really hate that gosh darn Obamacare. Who needs to live, hunh? Small business owners don't get cancer! They don't have high risk pregnancies! They don't have children with special needs! Small business owners are made of unicorn tears!
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"If you had a business where would you rather start it?"

Uh here? We have more millionaires than any other country, dickwad, why do you think that is? We are a very pro-business country.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


THe medium business, on the other hand, is excellent. Cross my palm with silver and I will tell more.
posted by Miko at 7:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


I hear no boos. There were boos?
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:31 PM on October 16, 2012


God, this isn't good for me. My heart is beating fast.
posted by Miko at 7:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Send me an address....!

If there's one thing I've learned from watching Romney, it's that bets made during debates don't count.
posted by item at 7:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Tonight Romney will have a dream about an alternate future where he is in office and has to deal with actual China policy.

RomneyBot is not programmed to dream.
posted by homunculus at 7:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


"That will create 800,000 new jobs... problem is they'll be in China, or India, or Germany."

Nice.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


I can't possibly be the first person to think Obama tanked the first debate after this massacre.

Whether it was intentional or not, tanking the first debate had an upshot insofar as it drew more attention to this debate, and how it also makes Obama's ebullience look just that much more ebullient.
posted by Sticherbeast at 7:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


That China segment was idiotic.

Posted from my computer, manufactured in China.
posted by ersatz at 7:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Trickle-down government". That's so fetch!
posted by benito.strauss at 7:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


Can you have babies if you only have one wife, or do you have to wait until you have a whole bunch of sister-wives?
posted by esmerelda_jenkins at 7:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I feel like these debates are more about China than America
posted by rmless at 7:31 PM on October 16, 2012


I wish Obama would mention that Romney personally sent jobs over seas.

Just did! Happy demoi-mas!
posted by winna at 7:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Revoke China's MFN status and that'll take care of any talk of tariffs.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 7:32 PM on October 16, 2012


Apple!
posted by HuronBob at 7:32 PM on October 16, 2012


Miko: "God, this isn't good for me. My heart is beating fast."

My solution to that was bourbon.
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 7:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


LET US ADVANCE TOGETHER TOWARD THE ALMIGHTY CANDY CROWLEY
posted by cashman at 7:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


iDebate
posted by HuronBob at 7:32 PM on October 16, 2012


Mitt Romney: "The answer is very straightforward."
posted by obscurator at 7:32 PM on October 16, 2012


BUY SOME APPLES
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


How does Chinese theft of IP matter with regards to Apple voluntarily building things in China?
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


oh god I officially know a birther on facebook

oh god

oh god what do I do
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [17 favorites]


Romney just accused China of stealing our intellectual property and hacking our computers, and that's why Apple manufacturers Iphones there?
posted by Theta States at 7:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


CHINA HAX0RZ
posted by jason_steakums at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney goes back to vague platitudes.
posted by wierdo at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012


China is stealing our intellectual property? They hacked into our computers?

Fuck you, Mitt Romney, from the bottom of my Chinese-Canadian heart.
posted by Phire at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Romney had better hope to god that he does get the Presidency, because after going with this China as the evil empire schtick he is not going to be able to work with the Chinese.
posted by winna at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Day 1, I will go to war with China.
posted by blurker at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


Whoa, is the China paranoia a real thing? Who is Romney playing to?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


CHINA'S STEALING UR APPLE STORES!
posted by figurant at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Are we in injury time?
posted by drezdn at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012


Ohh that pinched, angry smile on Mitt.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


FAKE APPLE STORES = REPUBLICANS SHOULD RULE THE WORLD
posted by item at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Uh, the fake Apple store is not the reason Apple doesn't bring its jobs back to the US.

Obama *nailing* the response here. Create innovation.
posted by maryr at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012


High wage, high skill jobs...back to education. Yes.
posted by dejah420 at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Ahhhh, should've said GOOGLE!
posted by limeonaire at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012


What about people who don't have high level skills? Argh, Obama.
posted by charred husk at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"God, this isn't good for me. My heart is beating fast."

I used to say that about sex, but I was wrong... hang in there.
posted by HuronBob at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


oh god I officially know a birther on facebook

salt and burn
posted by elizardbits at 7:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


"We can compete with anybody in the world in a race to the bottom."
posted by entropicamericana at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012


What the fuck was that?
posted by amuseDetachment at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama finishing strongly!
posted by Defying Gravity at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012


Calling China terrorists is a choice example of why Mitt Romney will be a disaster in foreign policy.
posted by zangpo at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


I love that. "There are some jobs that aren't coming back....and we need to focus on other ones."
posted by bardophile at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


OBAMA TELLS IT LIKE IT IS. We're never getting those low-wage manufacturing jobs back.
posted by clavier at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


WHICH OF YOU WILL PISS HARDER ON A CHINESE MAN

DO IT NOW AND PROVE YRSELVES
posted by Greg Nog at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [18 favorites]


Government does not create jobs! But I'll totally do so when I'm president.
posted by asperity at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


"Government does not create jobs." ROMNEYBOT BROKEN...HALP.
posted by sallybrown at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [20 favorites]


Obama is slaying him on that question. Mitt rambled and got cut off, and went interrupting cow it seems....
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012


I was kind of hoping last question would be sausage or pepperoni. :(
posted by mudpuppie at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


"They be climbin in computers, stealin our intelectual property!!!!"
posted by smithsmith at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Oh, good question, guy.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012


BEEP BOOP GOVERNMENT DOES NOT CREATE JOBS
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Man I love Obama, he is is even a better capitalist than Romney.
posted by Ad hominem at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Gubmint don't create jorbs
posted by Burhanistan at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012


Barry Green: What meme would you like to set straight?
posted by maryr at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


LAST QUESTION: PLANT
posted by winna at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012


Er, nevermind. Head up my butt. Won't edit that.
posted by charred husk at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012


"GOVERNMENT DOES NOT CREATE JOBS. SO VOTE FOR ME SO I CAN USE THE GOVERNMENT TO CREATE JOBS"
posted by delmoi at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


"Government does not create jobs" -- MOTHERFUCKING GOVERNOR Romney

(emphasis mine)
posted by King Bee at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THINK I AM A CREEPY ROBOT AND MY REBUTTAL IS BEEP BOOP BLORP BLERRRRGH
posted by elizardbits at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [27 favorites]


47% apology here.
posted by cashman at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


can each of you please tell two truths and a lie
posted by en forme de poire at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [18 favorites]


Romney last debate: "I will make 12 million new jobs."

This debate: "Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs."
posted by bswinburn at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


holy mother of all interrupting cows...Romney has been such a dick.
posted by dejah420 at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Government does not create jobs! Except for all those government workers Republicans demanded we fire I guess.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I hope Obama says "I'm not a Muslim." or something.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Mitt only managed to say "Government does not create jobs!" twice. You've got to say it three times to summon Reince Priebus.
posted by obvious at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [43 favorites]


Moo.
posted by jessamyn at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


"government does not create jobs...government does not create jobs" it's stuck!
posted by howfar at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm not watching CNN, can someone watching CNN tell me what the live poll meter thingie showed when Romney went all cray-cray?
posted by amuseDetachment at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Romney cares about 100% of the American people, y'all.
posted by item at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012


Is he trying to manufacture tears?
posted by cashman at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney, did you just say "Stop hitting me?"
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I hate to harp on someone's accent, but I really don't think Romney's pronunciation of "entrepreneur" helps him among swing voters.
posted by fishmasta at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012


be specific
posted by en forme de poire at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012


I LIKE PEOPLE REALLY I DO

ALSO GOD
posted by brain_drain at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Romney tries to correct misconception that he doesn't care about children.
posted by Theta States at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney's Creed.
posted by zennie at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"biggest misperception" about Romney as a candidate: he's a robot. AN ALIEN ROBOT.
posted by clavier at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012


THERE IS NO WAY THE PRINCE OF LIES CAN EVER CONVINCE HUMANS THAT HE IS MISCONCEIVED. Oh wait.....*clutches crucifix with trembling hands*
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012


"I want 100% of Americans to have a bright prosperous future."

Oh except the poors. And probably the illegals. And the gays. And the sick people. Especially the poor sick people, my god.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


Oh Obama had to play Dad, "Candy some of those jobs will never come back"

I"m sure that Romney would be happy to use his binder to fill some of those slave wage jobs.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012


Government does not create jobs? What about the entire defense industry - and the commercial technologies that have followed?
posted by Golden Eternity at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Obama: "Candy, there are some jobs that are never going to come back."
Believe him.
posted by de at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012


"I am not a man, dear friend. I am DEVO"
posted by ersatz at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


"Congregation", not "ward." Telling.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Romney, if you are trying to apologize for the 47% video, quit blaming it on Obama. You flapped those lips yourself.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney went to the Olympics, y'all.
posted by item at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012


oh god I officially know a birther on facebook

oh god

oh god what do I do


Send them increasingly ridiculous "proof" of other, even more insane conspiracy theories. Breed them into your own little conspiracy bonsai tree.
posted by Sticherbeast at 7:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [73 favorites]


47% apology here.

Wow, went there.

Also, serving as a missionary and pastor in your choice is not impressive, because not optional.

Also, we in Massachusetts are not "my kids" or "my people."
posted by Miko at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Chance for Obama here to finally clear up the misperception of him being a Christian.
posted by shortfuse at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"We're all children of the same god." ... Romney, you're a child of Ba'al, too?! Welcome back to the fold!
posted by barnacles at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


"I care about 100% of the people, unlike what some campaigns characterize me as."

He is setting Obama up here. Is Romney going nuts?!

Obama, it's all yours. Get'er done.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


No one's buying this "I care about 100%" bullshit Romster,,,
posted by Skygazer at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012


"I was able to get 100% of our people insured! All 98% of adults!"
posted by jason_steakums at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ah yes, the Olympics. Keepin' it on topic there, Mitt.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012


"We are all children of the same god" again. Just go back to your Church, Romney, and leave me alone.
posted by Phire at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Whoa, is the China paranoia a real thing? Who is Romney playing to?

White working class men.
posted by dirigibleman at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


WE DON'T HAVE TO SETTLE FOR YOU EITHER DICKFACE
posted by elizardbits at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Romney final comment (youtube)
posted by lampshade at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012


"I've sat across the table from people who were unemployed."
posted by Room 641-A at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Shades of the Jolson "Mammy" routine.
posted by Miko at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


oh god I officially know a birther on facebook

I have lots of red-staters on my feed, but I "heard" only one conservative's comment tonight, which is, in its entirety: "Con Artist."
posted by Countess Elena at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney doesn't have to settle for people on food stamps, y'all.
posted by item at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012


"I got 100% of my state insured...including 98% of adults." DOES NOT COMPUTE.
posted by cjelli at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [14 favorites]


Romney just Romneycared himself on live television. OMFG.
posted by deanklear at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


"children of the same god." Well, that's a misperception Romney has about me, one of the 100% of the American people.
posted by audi alteram partem at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Okay, Romney is creeping me out now.
posted by ersatz at 7:36 PM on October 16, 2012


>47% apology here.

Nope, not quite.
posted by maryr at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012


Freudian slip by Mitt - "If I become present, I'll...."
posted by cashman at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Am I the only one here who remembers the separation of church and state?

I really don't want to hear about anyone's religion. Just policy.
posted by rmless at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


The Olympics, you say?

How Mitt Romney Shook Down American Taxpayers For His Welfare Olympics
posted by homunculus at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Romney sounds like a drowning man....
posted by HuronBob at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney: We're all children of the same god. My god. Not yours. Especially not brown people gods.
posted by Malice at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


answer me right now, was he trounced sufficiently so as to not consider showing up for the third debate? or is that self-awareness subroutine still a bit buggy?
posted by ninjew at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


last question to Romney: What do you think the biggest misconception people have about you is?
Romney: the president's campaign has tried to characterise me as someone who does not care about 100% of Americans. I want to help all Americans, because I believe we are all children of one god. I helped save the Olympics. I got 100% of Massachusetts health insurance. I want to save America for all Americans, including the 23 million people now struggling to get a job.

[massively truncated, I can't take dictation fast enough]
posted by jacalata at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama's answer: "I AM NOT A SOCIALIST, DAMN IT."
posted by koeselitz at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


"Government does not create jobs."

Mr. Romney, there are a few SBIR and STTR grant holders that would like a word with you.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Nope, not quite.

Well he tried, he just sucked at it.
posted by cashman at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"all my children"

that's creepy...
posted by Lutoslawski at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama, just do an endzone dance. Show 'em ya know about sports.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:37 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


47%!
posted by meowf at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


47% BURN TIME!
posted by Panjandrum at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Man Mittens really had a breakdown today.
posted by delmoi at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


BANG! 47%
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


And here comes Obama's attack on the 47%

Sploosh.
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


YES!! The 47% comment!
posted by lampshade at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


Mitt, you SOFTBALLED that 47% response in.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Translation: "I believe that Mitt Romney cares about his own."

I concur.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama: "I believe Governor Romney is a good man!" *fact checkers explode*
posted by Defying Gravity at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


ah ha ha gigantic slapshot at the finish in re 47%
posted by Greg Nog at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


"Government doesn't create jobs." -Guy who wants to be the head of government so he can create jobs
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [19 favorites]


WHOOP THERE IT IS
posted by Flashman at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


AND THERE IT IS THE 47% HOLY FUCK
posted by chaff at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
posted by mynameisluka at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


THANK YOU! Finally the 47% comes out.
posted by blurker at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


OHHHHHHHHHH SNAP CLOSIN' WITH THE 47%
posted by clavier at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


47%! THERE it is!
posted by saysthis at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


"47 million people on food stamps"

All that 100% nonsense was in there to get us to forget the number 47 even existed, Mitt. You just blew it.
posted by Ice Cream Socialist at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oh my god, this is brilliant

Attacking Romney on the 47% thing...

in the LAST 2 MINUTES

so ROMNEY CAN'T RESPOND
posted by koeselitz at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [43 favorites]


Man, the people in the front rows look sheepish, like they're being lectured by the President.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


The ticker doesn't like the 47%
posted by triggerfinger at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


Now folks, there are going to be talking heads.

They will suck.

Watch this instead.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama brings up romney's 47% quote and the cnn ticker totally flatlined.
posted by jacalata at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


Did Obama answer the question at all?
posted by zennie at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


Series tied, 1-1
posted by Thistledown at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Over-under on Romney trying to speak over the moderator after Obama finishes?
posted by inigo2 at 7:38 PM on October 16, 2012


OH SHIT HERE'S THE 47% REMIND US HOW MUCH MITT HATES US BARACK
posted by Pope Guilty at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012


"I believe the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent trash ..."

Oh, wrong movie.
posted by Lulu's Pink Converse at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Here we go ...OBAMA NAILS HIM ON THE 47% remark. CUE THE HORNS!! EYE OF THE TIGER!! KARATE KICKS!! BACKWARDS KARATE KICKS!! CHICKS WITH MACHINE GUNS! ETC...

USA USA!! USA USA!!!
posted by Skygazer at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


TIME FOR THE TALKING HEADS
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012


No question who won. No question.
posted by cashman at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


GREAT JOB CANDY!
posted by triggerfinger at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Damn. "Think about who he was talking about." Call him out, Mr. President. Call him out.
posted by PorcineWithMe at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama fucking crushed that.
posted by vuron at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Slam. Dunk.

BAKAKAKAKAKAKA
posted by deanklear at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama: "47%"
Team Obama: "heh heh heh" (youtube)
posted by lampshade at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012


Awesome. Obama mentioned the 47% tape when Romney wouldn't have time to respond.
posted by delmoi at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


oh god I officially know a birther on facebook

Pretty much my whole family is birthers (and not coincidentally highly racist against black people).
posted by dirigibleman at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Wheeeeeeeewwwwww.

Strong conclusion.

Ann not looking confident.
posted by Miko at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012


"47%" just increased the blood-alcohol level of thousands of Anericans.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


He ENDS on 47%! Beautiful. Gorgeous.
posted by saysthis at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Good job, Candy
posted by figurant at 7:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Like OK I'm thinking I'll just JUST CLOSE WITH THE 47% THING IF THAT'S COOL

I love the president sometimes. He had a great night.
posted by chaff at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Now hug your wives for the camera.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012


Clear winner, Obama, by a mile. Romney came across as a privileged interrupting cow the whole night.
posted by Purposeful Grimace at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012


We just won the election!
posted by Ad hominem at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Yes he answered it quite well actually
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012


Now to tune into FOX NEWS and find out how much of an ANGRY NEGRO Obama was....
posted by King Bee at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


CBS feed is immediately "Well....... [SUPER LONG PAUSE] we have never seen anything like that in Presidential history."
posted by jason_steakums at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


oh shit

OH SHIT

ARE MICHELLE AND ANN WEARING THE SAME SUIT
posted by elizardbits at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


romney got that look like like he gon vom cuz he ate too much butter too quick
posted by Greg Nog at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


the Binders Full of Women Facebook page already has more than 40k likes. and hundreds more every time I refresh.
posted by changeling at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Ann did not look pleased.
posted by goHermGO at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Obama mentioned the 47% tape when Romney wouldn't have time to respond.

Really well played.
posted by Miko at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Oh god, the way Ann and Mitt robotically turned together with plastered looks, please gif that. I need a gif of that, dear god I need a gif of that.
posted by cashman at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


Anyone else find it disturbing that the wives are wearing pink, yet the men are in nice, fully formal suits?

Layers upon layers of irony.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Ho-oly shiiiiiiiiiiiiit....
posted by Osrinith at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012


Obama looks a lot happier in the post-game.
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Shut up PBS chowderheads! OBAMA!! OBAMA!! OBAMA!!
posted by Skygazer at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


SLAM. FUCKING. DUNK.
posted by Evernix at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012


SNAP POLLS

I NEED SNAP POLLS

PLEASE, SNAP POLLS
posted by Flunkie at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012


When Brooks is calling it for Obama you know Romney got his ass kicked.
posted by vuron at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


Rachel Maddow: "This was the best debate of for Barack Obama in his entire career"
posted by delmoi at 7:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


CBS calls this "the most rancorous presidential debate ever". Also, "it was spirited."
posted by maryr at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


wow....that was intense to say the least
posted by lampshade at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012


i need cake
posted by elizardbits at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Even David Brooks said Obama won - "If we have to go by winners and losers."
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


I am so. Relieved. BRB, drinking everything in sight. See y'all tomorrow.
posted by Phire at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Yup. Obama's night. Even the talking heads can't really think of much to dispute.
posted by howfar at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Good job, Candy

Eh, she started weak, but hit her stride. I'd give her a B-

But Romney? He fell apart this evening. Obama clearly got under his skin.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


limeonaire: Romney wants to make sure more people are hired...but he's said nothing about how much those people would be paid, especially women.

Heh. This "add women and stir" approach was cutting edge in some parts of academe in the 1970s and 1980s. Then people dug deeper for nuances like Where does the money flow? Who's in leadership positions? Who's in control of where the money flows? What are the tacit (unstated) norms influencing who does what, and how do they reinforce the obvious and stated norms? etc.

Romney: I added women to my cabinet! Admire me!
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'm calling it a draw.
posted by mazola at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Biden should have smiled/laughed 20% less. Obama should have interrupted about 20% less hard.

They both still won.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I like how talking heads are trying to shape this as a tie already.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney/Bush comparison was the finishing move.
posted by JayG at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012


Chris Matthews "Romney is the guy who leaves his phone on the airplane"
posted by delmoi at 7:41 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Chris Matthews is about to orgasm.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Brb stuffing victory potstickers into my face
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


> "Government doesn't create jobs." -Guy who wants to be the head of government so he can create jobs.

Yeah, that really is a mindblower.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Yes!
posted by Golden Eternity at 7:42 PM on October 16, 2012


From my FB friend : "I can't believe Obama just screamed 'Sexual Chocolate' and threw the microphone down.'
posted by HopperFan at 7:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [23 favorites]


Cake! Cake! CAKE!!
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:42 PM on October 16, 2012


Can't get a good look at the crowd sizes gathering around both candidates.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:42 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow. It's 4.45 in the morning. And I am so glad I stayed up all night to watch this. It was fucking awesome.
posted by iamkimiam at 7:42 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


Good point on PBS -- Romney adding women to his cabinet the way he did "was the definition of affirmative action".
posted by inigo2 at 7:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


Oh shit, now I can. Romney is going TO the people, the people are coming to Obama.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Biden is so going to let Obama drive his Trans Am.
posted by lampshade at 7:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [38 favorites]


"I've sat across the table from people who were unemployed."
posted by Room 641-A


"I ridiculed their cookies."
posted by benito.strauss at 7:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


Obama mentioned the 47% tape when Romney wouldn't have time to respond.

Really well played.


Yeah, but really dumb on Romney's part, like 101 dumb. There was no doubt what Obama was going to bring up at that point, none.

The truth is that Romeny really cracked this evening, just folded like old chair.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


This "add women and stir" approach

Absolutely. An op-ed worthy critique of the "binder of women" formula.
posted by Miko at 7:43 PM on October 16, 2012


Chris Matthews on the 'snippiness' of Mitt Romney: "He's the guy who refuses to turn off his phone on the plane at takeoff."
posted by ericb at 7:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


the wives are wearing pink

October is Breast Cancer Awareness month. Women in politics must wear pink ribbons or pink suits. Double points for wearing both!
posted by misha at 7:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


From nate silver's twitter, "Pre-debate benchmark: Obama would have a 62% chance of winning an election held today per our "now-cast", Romney 38%."

We'll see tomorrow.
posted by bswinburn at 7:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Biden is so going to let Obama drive his Trans Am.

Biden's out the passenger side, smashin' mailboxes with a baseball bat.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [29 favorites]


Romney adding women to his cabinet the way he did "was the definition of affirmative action"

I hope someone researches to see that those women were paid the same as the men in the same job. That was the question, correct?
posted by You Should See the Other Guy at 7:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


CSPAN caller who leaned towards Romney says that Obama was stronger, but he was unhappy with the debate as a whole, no specifics.
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:44 PM on October 16, 2012


Looks like Obama did what he needed to do. Media may call it a tie, but Obama did himself good tonight, and us.
posted by JKevinKing at 7:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Wow. It's 4.45 in the morning. And I am so glad I stayed up all night to watch this. It was fucking awesome.

3.45, no?
posted by ersatz at 7:44 PM on October 16, 2012


relevant
posted by triggerfinger at 7:44 PM on October 16, 2012


Borrowing a phrase from Larry on Curb Your Enthusiasm, I think tonight POTUS got in that ass.
posted by fuse theorem at 7:44 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Fox is talking about how angry Obama is, his clenched jaw, how Romney told Obama to sit down...
Oh, and how good Romney was.
posted by Theta States at 7:45 PM on October 16, 2012


From nate silver's twitter, "Pre-debate benchmark: Obama would have a 62% chance of winning an election held today per our "now-cast", Romney 38%."

We'll see tomorrow.


Takes a few days for 538 to really catch up because he's professional.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


whew
posted by Flashman at 7:45 PM on October 16, 2012


"He's the guy who refuses to turn off his phone on the plane at takeoff."

Worse, he's the guy yapping on his Bluetooth headpiece while staring vacantly in your direction.
posted by Miko at 7:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


That on-the-spot fact-check on Libya is going to be legendary. Brutal. Romney is a victim of epistemic closure in a big way here; the right has been reporting from an alternate universe on Libya for months.
posted by gerryblog at 7:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [14 favorites]


I think Obama is more of a pie man.
posted by seanmpuckett at 7:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


ANDREW SULLIVAN WEEPING BITTER TEARS OF OF DEFEAT
posted by boo_radley at 7:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


I guess Romney knew Obama was going to bring up the 47%... so he pre-empted it with his 100% remarks. Not very strong, but maybe the best Romney could do considering that Obama got to speak last.
posted by kellybird at 7:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Fox News reiterating the 'controversy' about whether Obama called the embassy attack terrorism. Has Obama as speaking about 3 minutes longer than Romney, total.
posted by zennie at 7:46 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney is going TO the people, the people are coming to Obama.

Obama went straight over to talk to the audience immediately after hugging Michelle; Mitt finished his hug and was protectively surrounded by the rest of his posse for several minutes.
posted by ceribus peribus at 7:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Chris Mathews is saying he could have done a little better because the attack was in response to the video. But I actually thought he did really good. Rather then litigating the cause, he displayed leadership and shamed Romney for his political opportunism.

From nate silver's twitter, "Pre-debate benchmark: Obama would have a 62% chance of winning an election held today per our "now-cast", Romney 38%."

It'll take a few days to filter through.
posted by delmoi at 7:46 PM on October 16, 2012


MARTHA RADDETZ WINS ALL YOUR DEBATES.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 7:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


OMG, NPR just noted the use of "gangbangers" in the debate.

Also, praising Moderator fact checking and saying "facts do matter."
posted by Panjandrum at 7:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


That on-the-spot fact-check on Libya is going to be legendary. Brutal.

I really hope that puts some fire under the asses of future moderators, it was absolutely a standout moment.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:46 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


Romney wrote the book on gaslighting.
He's impossibly controlling.
posted by de at 7:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


zennie: the time difference matches the clock on CNN.
posted by bardophile at 7:47 PM on October 16, 2012


Man, I feel like Joe Biden does when he gets a seat on the Amtrak Superliner car.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


I really needed that VW ad of people laughing naturally. Well timed, advertisement.
posted by maryr at 7:47 PM on October 16, 2012


In somewhat unrelated other news.........

Honey Boo Boo backs Obama (politico)

smart girl!
posted by lampshade at 7:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


What's up with all the disposable cameras? Electronics ban?
posted by Burhanistan at 7:47 PM on October 16, 2012


Mitt finished his hug and was protectively surrounded by the rest of his posse for several minutes.

Tellingly, no one from the audience stepped up to press him.
posted by Miko at 7:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Already comparing this performance to the seconda reagan-mondale debate.

Comparing Obama to Saint Reagan in a positive way is never going to be a good thing for Romney
posted by vuron at 7:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Republicans accuse moderator Candy Crowley of asking questions. #debate
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 7:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


Preach it, Sunglasses Hillary.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:48 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Lol, now I know this isn't representative, but the PBS instant poll has 91% for an Obama victory. It's all us foreigners and Commies watching, I suspect.
posted by howfar at 7:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


lol postdebate woman on PBS just said "women full of binders."
posted by saul wright at 7:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


"Government doesn't create jobs." -Guy who wants to be the head of government so he can create jobs.

Both of them said that, I'm pretty sure Obama said it in his closing remarks.
posted by jacalata at 7:49 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


National Review's The Corner seems to be calling this a draw and notes Romney stumbled several times.

Also notes that CSPAN callers are morons, which I can't disagree with.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:49 PM on October 16, 2012


In my fantasy world, when Obama and Romney exchanged brief words during their handshake at the start of the debate, Obama said "Now watch this drive."
posted by jason_steakums at 7:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [20 favorites]


Yawn, goodnight people. Fun as usual.
posted by ersatz at 7:50 PM on October 16, 2012


I feel limp and enervated now
posted by mynameisluka at 7:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


So guys, wasn't that such a TIE??!
posted by obscurator at 7:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [10 favorites]


NBC mentioned "binder full of women" within the first minute after the debate.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I think jobs are developed in America via photosynthesis.

We can't bring in more sunlight. But we can bring in more carbon dioxide.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:50 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Had to turn off Fox News, more talking heads who consider Romney the winner, Obama just being angry and defensive.
posted by Theta States at 7:50 PM on October 16, 2012


I kinda want a cigarette. And I've never had a cigarette before in my entire life.
posted by snickerdoodle at 7:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [19 favorites]


No one puts baby in a binder.

Almost splarfed my last mouthful of Autumn ale. That was close.
posted by Miko at 7:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


A teacher just called into CSPAN to say that at his salary rate, Obama couldn't understand his situation. But Romney could.

What?
posted by Lutoslawski at 7:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


I was really hoping Obama would come up with some flippant line like "Binders? Under my watch women are secretary of state."
posted by cmyk at 7:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


teacher just called into CSPAN to say that at his salary rate, Obama couldn't understand his situation. But Romney could.

What?


Private school?
posted by jason_steakums at 7:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Obama owned that shit; sneak preview of the foreign policy debate: Obama skipping around with Bin Laden's severed head.
posted by Renoroc at 7:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Obligatory LOTR photoshop
posted by humanfont at 7:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


obscurator, I just cackled like a madman
posted by en forme de poire at 7:52 PM on October 16, 2012


The man is unemployed, Lutoslawski. Living off his savings.
posted by gerryblog at 7:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Artistic interpretation of the debates (by me, with assistance by Boulevard Brewery's "Dark Truth Stout")
posted by hellojed at 7:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


"I don’t think Obama is perfect and I don’t blindly trust him. but Romney is contradictory, homophobic, sexist, against Planned Parenthood, anti-abortion, focused on the upper class, entirely confused as to what the middle class even IS, environmentally unconcerned, and an asshole".
posted by cashman at 7:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [24 favorites]


But Christ, C-SPAN has an independent saying he'll vote for Romney because Obama can't understand him as Obama has too high a salary. Okay.
posted by ersatz at 7:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Blarg! I missed the 47% bit. Is there a video up anywhere?
posted by ian1977 at 7:53 PM on October 16, 2012


dang david brooks looks like a damn baby puppet made of foam rubber

all jiggly and such
posted by Greg Nog at 7:53 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Sadbird in the middle kills it, hellojed. Five stars!
posted by winna at 7:53 PM on October 16, 2012


A teacher just called into CSPAN to say that at his salary rate, Obama couldn't understand his situation. But Romney could.

What?


Amazing, isn't it. My wife has a friend who is a teacher that is a diehard Republican. She is voting for Romney because she wants taxes to come down.

How does she think teachers get paid? Teacher salary fairies?
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:54 PM on October 16, 2012 [43 favorites]


The fact that Romney fell into what was basically the cliché "tell us what your greatest weakness is" interview trap is telling.
posted by mikepop at 7:54 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


lol postdebate woman on PBS just said "women full of binders."

Perfect way to describe how I feel after a long day at the office.
posted by sallybrown at 7:54 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Obama's rose garden excerpt:

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.
posted by smithsmith at 7:55 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


The man is unemployed, Lutoslawski. Living off his savings.

He's so bad off he can't even pay enough for his horse to win the Olympics.

It is a tragedy of the common man. Move over, Death of a Salesman!
posted by winna at 7:55 PM on October 16, 2012


How does she think teachers get paid? Teacher salary fairies?

The free market will take care of it!
posted by ian1977 at 7:55 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


So, there's no way Romney can go into the next one without changing his Gish Gallop debate style because it fell so flat on him here. The question is, does he have anything else in his bag of tricks?
posted by jason_steakums at 7:55 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


David Brooks predicting a jump in the polls for Obama after tonight
posted by FreelanceBureaucrat at 7:55 PM on October 16, 2012


putting all those women in binders is a job, then? yay employment
posted by ninjew at 7:55 PM on October 16, 2012


How does she think teachers get paid? Teacher salary fairies?

Usually via local property taxes, through the state government. Federal taxes won't make a big impact, actually.
posted by delmoi at 7:55 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


MSBC is re-running Romney's epic meltdown on Libya.
posted by delmoi at 7:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


So.. uhh... was Obama's performance in the first debate 12-dimensional-chess or what?

The difference was so big in terms of debating skills. I'm eagerly awaiting the inevitable books and interviews after this election to get an inside picture of the Obama campaign on exactly what happened.
posted by amuseDetachment at 7:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


The free market will take care of it!

Yes! We've all noticed how eager people are to line up and increase teachers' salaries whenever possible.
posted by Miko at 7:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Heh, I've got coworkers who are state workers and are diehard tea party government is bad types. It's like they can't really understand that in effect a decent percentage of their salaries come from taxation.
posted by vuron at 7:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


The fact that Romney fell into what was basically the cliché "tell us what your greatest weakness is" interview trap is telling.

Well, he hasn't had to interview for most of his jobs and hasn't successfully interviewed for most of the rest.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


Mark Shields on PBS mentioned how neither could really afford to be humble because of the stakes in this debate.
posted by Skygazer at 7:57 PM on October 16, 2012


A teacher just called into CSPAN to say that at his salary rate, Obama couldn't understand his situation. But Romney could.

What?


I heard the same thing and my mind boggled. Just now they were reading comments fro Facebook and someone said "Romney crushed him with facts." It's bizarro world out there-- people are hearing and seeing things through whatever political spectacles they have on.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


"The question is, does he have anything else in his bag of tricks?"

He will go into End Level Boss Mode and start jumping furiously and making the screen bounce while throwing extra fireballs.
posted by ian1977 at 7:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [17 favorites]


I can't wait until the fact checkers get to the North American energy independence in the next eight five years. Because that is some unlikely shit.
posted by maryr at 7:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


CSPAN's fbook page is 14??-928 for Obama in the debate.
posted by Lemurrhea at 7:58 PM on October 16, 2012


putting all those women in binders is a job, then? yay employment

Yeah, but we bring interns* in for that kind of job.



*Unpaid, straight out of college. It's good experience you know.
posted by headnsouth at 7:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


JayG: "I can't possibly be the first person to think Obama tanked the first debate after this massacre."

No, I called it last time.
posted by notsnot at 7:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I thought that I disliked Romney before but I really really hate him after his performance tonight. What a nasty privileged little putz.
posted by octothorpe at 7:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [16 favorites]


Axelrod was asked if the timing of 47% closing was part of (long-term) strategy. He said no, Obama felt it was just the right time to bring it up.
posted by shortfuse at 7:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Ha! Jeff Greenfield (on undecideds): Well, they were probably watching the Yankee game cuz they don't care. (paraphrased)
posted by ian1977 at 7:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Heh, I've got coworkers who are state workers and are diehard tea party government is bad types. It's like they can't really understand that in effect a decent percentage of their salaries come from taxation.

Just wait until they get a Scott Walker-type in charge.
posted by drezdn at 7:58 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


So.. uhh... was Obama's performance in the first debate 12-dimensional-chess or what?

The difference was so big in terms of debating skills. I'm eagerly awaiting the inevitable books and interviews after this election to get an inside picture of the Obama campaign on exactly what happened.
Well, part of it may just be his competitive nature. He got bad reviews after the first debate and was just personally bothered by the fact that he "lost", even if it wouldn't affect the overall election.
posted by delmoi at 7:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Mark Blumenthal ‏@MysteryPollster
CBS News KN poll of 500 uncommitted voters. Who won? Obama 37, Romney 30, Tie 33
posted by Bukvoed at 7:59 PM on October 16, 2012


Lots of low information voters calling in to C-SPAN.
posted by Pudhoho at 7:59 PM on October 16, 2012


"Reince Preibus": Tonight was a great night for governor Romney
posted by King Bee at 7:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Best comment on Facebook so far:

‎"DID THEY BRING ME BINDERS OF WOMEN WHEN I ASKED FOR SONS?"
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Bobby Jindal is on CNN trying to convince us that Romney wasn't wrong on the Libya "terror attack" issue.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 7:59 PM on October 16, 2012


WHEW! Okay guys I'm surprised they cut the bit where Romney's tongue caught a fly out of midair but I'm currently doing body shots with my new bestie Barry O on Air Force Fun with Dj Diamond Joe spinning some classic rock hits also Captain America is real and he's giving me a basket of kittens and also kisses on the mouth laters
posted by The Whelk at 7:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [43 favorites]


If Obama has trouble understanding the blight of teachers from his lofty salary then the average teacher must look like an ant from Romney's perspective near the peaks of the wealth mountain.
posted by vuron at 7:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Vote on CSPAN's facebook page here
posted by Theta States at 8:00 PM on October 16, 2012


My best friend is on the phone with me and I can hear the talking heads talking about how the President wasn't 'polite'.

Because the 'no, you listen to ME' tantrums Mitt was throwing were positively Court of Louis XIV at Versailles in their exquisite courtesy.
posted by winna at 8:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


I'm sorry to ask again, but:

Did I mishear or misunderstand Romney when (I believe) he said that he would not tax interest, dividends, or capital gains?
posted by Flunkie at 8:00 PM on October 16, 2012


Anyone who mentions Reince Preibus gets a favorite.
posted by absqua at 8:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


He will go into End Level Boss Mode and start jumping furiously and making the screen bounce while throwing extra fireballs.

...and grows all 40 stories high like a Power Rangers villain. Luckily, Team Obama brings it Megazord style (Joe's Zord is the Trans Am, natch).
posted by jason_steakums at 8:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Right in the middle of the post-debate coverage on Philadelphia's ABC affiliate is a Pennsylvania Voter ID reminder commercial. Amazing.
posted by gladly at 8:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Lots of low information voters calling in to C-SPAN.

That was the case last time too. Really shocking to me, but I shouldn't be so shocked.

Starting to realize: who tunes in to debates? The hopped-up base, and fuzzy-headed undecideds who actually base their vote on things like the debates, rather than on months/years of policy actions and platforms.
posted by Miko at 8:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Reince Preibus lost his binder.
posted by humanfont at 8:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


"Romney got more tweets than Obama"
Say no more.
posted by de at 8:02 PM on October 16, 2012


Y'all realize that C-SPAN call-ins have always been crazy crap, and are the TV equivalent to Youtube comments right?

Nobody's vote is going to change from the call-ins, they'll just make you go ragemode so hard.
posted by amuseDetachment at 8:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Did I mishear or misunderstand Romney when (I believe) he said that he would not tax interest, dividends, or capital gains?

Nope.
posted by zarq at 8:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I'm sorry to ask again, but:

Did I mishear or misunderstand Romney when (I believe) he said that he would not tax interest, dividends, or capital gains?


For those making under $250,000, I think.
posted by Lemurrhea at 8:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Did I mishear or misunderstand Romney when (I believe) he said that he would not tax interest, dividends, or capital gains?

Yeah that's apparently how (he said) he's going to help the middle class
posted by Flashman at 8:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Reince Preibus sounds like a medical problem to my ears. An intimate medical problem.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 8:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


"Romney got more tweets than Obama"

Wait, we can't call it until we check the 7-11 cups!
posted by Miko at 8:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


I'd love to see an organized C-SPAN call-in campaign from Reddit or 4chan.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Of all the reasons to mention why America should be more like Canada, Romney picks the federal corporate tax rate? And the nominal rate at that - on average US corps pay less than the Canadian rate due to extensive deductions.

Seriously Mitt. There are a million reasons to imitate Canada. The singular number for one tax rate is not one of them.
posted by GuyZero at 8:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


"Romney got more tweets than Obama"
Say no more.


Something something big bird/ birds tweet?
posted by ian1977 at 8:03 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney argued that the economy needs to be amazingly robust so that employers will be desperate enough to hire women. In other words, he said that we're the least desirable people to hire. WTF?
posted by jiawen at 8:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [24 favorites]


Usually via local property taxes, through the state government. Federal taxes won't make a big impact, actually.

It's hard to find the actual numbers, but federal funding isn't nothing. There's support grants, and transportation money, and food money, etc.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 8:03 PM on October 16, 2012


Hey now, clearly Romney paying a 0.4% tax rate would help the middle class!
posted by Justinian at 8:03 PM on October 16, 2012


"Reince Preibus": Tonight was a great night for governor Romney

What? That means some fool released him from his ancient puzzle box.
posted by homunculus at 8:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Did I mishear or misunderstand Romney when (I believe) he said that he would not tax interest, dividends, or capital gains?

Yeah that's apparently how (he said) he's going to help the middle class


Christ, what an asshole.
posted by rocketman at 8:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


‏@wonderella: I have a five-point plan, America. It involves wind, water, earth, fire... and most of all, heart.
posted by maryr at 8:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [21 favorites]


Jon Stewart is skewering Ryan tonight.
posted by deanklear at 8:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Looks like a transcript here.
posted by RolandOfEld at 8:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Okay people, the show is over. Back to the MotherThread.
posted by homunculus at 8:05 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney argued that the economy needs to be amazingly robust so that employers will be desperate enough to hire women. In other words, he said that we're the least desirable people to hire. WTF?

Obviously all those men he gets hired will need secretaries.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


My favorite CSPAN call ins have to be the lady who said there are too many black people on it and called the channel "Black Span," and the very upset older woman who called in and said that everyone, including the white house, should take down their Christmas trees in protest of Obamacare because Obamacare's pitting her son against her somehow.
posted by mccarty.tim at 8:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Jon Stewart is skewering Ryan tonight.

Don't even bring up that shitheel Paul Ryan. Fuck that guy.
posted by rocketman at 8:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


OH SNAP
posted by elizardbits at 8:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [22 favorites]


>I'd love to see an organized C-SPAN call-in campaign from Reddit or 4chan.

Huh, apparently Ron Paul won the debate.
posted by maryr at 8:06 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Haha, Andrew Sullivan is on the phone with MSNBC. Not crying audibly, so far.
posted by delmoi at 8:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


OH SNAP

It even appears to be a snap.

Senator, we have snap confirmation. I repeat, we have snap confirmation.
posted by winna at 8:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


and the very upset older woman who called in and said that everyone, including the white house, should take down their Christmas trees in protest of Obamacare because Obamacare's pitting her son against her somehow.

Wait, why is her Christmas tree still up? Is that in protest of heathen trick-or-treaters? I don't want to have to fight my Christmas tree for birth control, I am kind of afraid it would win...
posted by jetlagaddict at 8:07 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Andrew Sullivan "Bloody Elated"
posted by delmoi at 8:07 PM on October 16, 2012


Am I the only one who wants Obama's closing statement of the final debate to just be this?
posted by jason_steakums at 8:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


via Twitter: You guys don't get it. Romney's supporters *enjoy* watching him be rude and disrespectful to a woman and a black man.
posted by Phire at 8:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [30 favorites]


Oh Jesus Christ. So Andrew Sullivan is now the official "Leave Britney Alone" guy of the 2012 campaign.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 8:08 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


The Whelk: "Dj Diamond Joe spinning some classic rock hits "

CREEDENCE! CREEDENCE! WHOO!
posted by boo_radley at 8:08 PM on October 16, 2012


Hey Ladies, don't want to be in a binder?
posted by shothotbot at 8:08 PM on October 16, 2012


This is my summary of the debate:

CROWLEY: I got to — I got to move you on —

ROMNEY: He gets the first —

CROWLEY: — and the next question —

ROMNEY: He actually got —

CROWLEY: — for you —

ROMNEY: He actually got the first question. So I get the last question — last answer —

CROWLEY: (Inaudible) in the follow up, it doesn't quite work like that. But I'm going to give you a chance here. I promise you, I'm going to.

And the next question is for you. So if you want to, you know, continue on — but I don't want to leave all —

ROMNEY: Candy, Candy —

With some useless pleasantries, flipflops, and Obama ass kicking thrown in for good measure.

posted by RolandOfEld at 8:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Mark Halperin (on Charlie Rose): Romney sounded incredibly weak on Libya especially in the moment when he was corrected by Crowley.The president got inside ROmney's head and rattled him. The president won. and it will stabilize things for him. ans it's a great night for him.


Jake Tapper (Charlie Rose): The president had a plan and he executed it beautifully.
posted by Skygazer at 8:09 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Aww, Sullivan was deeply disoriented after last debate. Poor guy.
posted by Ad hominem at 8:09 PM on October 16, 2012


Andrew Sullivan actually does sound like he's having a heart attack, but in a good way. DEEP BREATHS ANDREW.
posted by lalex at 8:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Andrew Sullivan mentioned the "Binder Full of Women" and it's internet-meme ness.
posted by delmoi at 8:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Am I the only one who can't even access twitter right now, let alone post about Romney's ramblings?
posted by inigo2 at 8:10 PM on October 16, 2012


Mitt Romney's tax plan is like Candy Crowley's debate format because in the end, you just have to take it on faith that the numbers add up.
posted by feloniousmonk at 8:10 PM on October 16, 2012


It's Tuesday night
I'm putting on tighest tie,
my smuggest grin,
my best device for concealing my sexism
and I got everything I need!

Got my body, got my lies, got a binder full of women, b-b-b-binder full of women.

just me?
posted by Lemurrhea at 8:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Between the VP debate and this one, I think there were at least a half-dozen moments where the Romney/Ryan team were backed into saying "...actually, I agree with the President on that."
posted by jason_steakums at 8:10 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


OH SNAP
posted by elizardbits


And they should have gifed the whole thing. If you watch the video, right before that Obama takes a sip of water as he has one foot on the floor, and his other leg up on the stool. I think he leaned over and did a shoulder pop and then grapevined over to Candy while she factchecked Mitt. And then after the debate was over, Obama's swag was on 12. He was walking around the stage like he wanted to do that Ace Ventura thing like "yes! yes! yes! ya feel that buddy?" Just strolling. The after-moments of the debate were priceless. I can't wait to see gifs.
posted by cashman at 8:11 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Cory Booker's on Colbert tonight; I'm pretty excited by that.
posted by inigo2 at 8:12 PM on October 16, 2012


Andrew Sullivan on the phone with Chris Matthews. Andrew is effusive about Obama's performance. Forgives him for his previous debate performance.
posted by ericb at 8:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


there should be a third debate except with broadswords

obama will have the one that the crazy gnomes made in oglaf
posted by elizardbits at 8:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


Hey now, clearly Romney paying a 0.4% tax rate would help the middle class!


my last name isn't Romney fuck you
posted by clearly at 8:12 PM on October 16, 2012 [11 favorites]


"eagerly awaiting the inevitable books and interviews after this election to get an inside picture of the Obama campaign on exactly what happened."

Josh, playing a prank on Donna, accidentally locked Toby and Sam (and the nervous looking, balding secret service guy with the glasses from the post-debate meet-n-greet) in the basement steam-room, while the president was sneaking a smoke in the middle of a situation room session... allowing for a mega-shout-it-out session, and ultimately, in a fit of deep honesty, Toby said "sir, you need to step it up". Mostly.
I shall presume, anyway.

In the post-debate session, I am watching, and the young guy who asked the education question is standing back, and he looks so much like he wants to go say hi to the President. ah, he got a picture just before President Obama left. Nice.
posted by infinite intimation at 8:13 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Cory Booker's on Colbert tonight; I'm pretty excited by that.

They tape during the day, though. It'll be the Wednesday episodes that deal with the debates.
posted by delmoi at 8:13 PM on October 16, 2012


Maybe Obama can bat for the Yankees tomorrow.
posted by shothotbot at 8:13 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


You know that no one on the TV shows tonight will have seen the debate, yeah?
posted by maryr at 8:14 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney needed to win this debate to keep generating forward momentum. His post-debate 1 polling was already beginning to look less positive for him especially in terms of his electoral college chances (although pretty decent in terms of popular vote).

An Obama tie means another week lost without much forward momentum which Obama is using to run out the clock.

But with an Obama win and make no mistake this was a decisive Obama win this means that a lot of that forward Romney movement will be lost in the next 5 days which will put Romney in a massive hole with only one real good chance of making the case next week remaining.

That's killer and even though debates rarely decide elections, this debate could've helped Obama just seal the deal.
posted by vuron at 8:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


John Kerry: In the next few days as the fact checking begins, you will see that this is the moment the Romney campaign began to unravel.
posted by SweetTeaAndABiscuit at 8:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


Patton Oswalt: This isn't so bad for Romney. He can easily win this without single moms, immigrants, the middle class or all women.
posted by Phire at 8:14 PM on October 16, 2012 [31 favorites]


I was excited for Cory Booker and you folks took that away from me! Jerks! I'm putting you all into binders!
posted by inigo2 at 8:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Iowa is NOT unrepresentative of America. You are ignorant of the demographics of Iowa as it is today. I am an Iowan.
posted by Galadhwen at 8:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


John Kerry: In the next few days as the fact checking begins, you will see that this is the moment the Romney campaign began to unravel.

Dear John Kerry: Please don't say anything. Let's all just be quiet right now.
posted by Miko at 8:15 PM on October 16, 2012 [22 favorites]


Martha Raddetz is the biggest reason in these debates to make me still believe America is still great. MASSIVE FAN NOW.
posted by Lipstick Thespian at 8:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Anericans

I just noticed this about five minutes ago. I shall choose to blame iOS.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 8:15 PM on October 16, 2012


Hannity: "Romney prosecuted Obama on the last four years"
posted by King Bee at 8:15 PM on October 16, 2012


John Kerry: In the next few days as the fact checking begins, you will see that this is the moment the Romney campaign began to unravel.

I don't know that "unravel" is as correct as "continue unraveling after it briefly snagged on that one, stubborn, competent stitch that wouldn't budge without really giving it all you've got".
posted by jason_steakums at 8:16 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Yeah, someone was saying that on CNN, too, the "prosecuting him" but. I don't recognize any of the pundolts, so couldn't begin to tell you who it was.
posted by bardophile at 8:17 PM on October 16, 2012


I think that at this point the results are already clear and definitive: Women Moderators.
posted by benito.strauss at 8:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [30 favorites]


"Romney prosecuted Obama on several times used the phrase 'the last four years'"
posted by Miko at 8:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Can anyone find a clip of Obama's closing remarks?
posted by ian1977 at 8:18 PM on October 16, 2012


I am already a Binder-American, thankyouverymuch.

Which reminds me, I should go back to putting recipes in this binder. I'm such a stereotype.
posted by maryr at 8:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


The usual suspects on my facebook feed are VERY VERY QUIET right now. Waiting to be told what they think, I think.
posted by headnsouth at 8:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [15 favorites]


Iowa is NOT unrepresentative of America. You are ignorant of the demographics of Iowa as it is today. I am an Iowan.

Is this some kind of joke I'm not getting? Iowa is 95% white. 95%.
posted by Justinian at 8:18 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


I think that at this point the results are already clear and definitive: Women Moderators.

The binders are working!
posted by ian1977 at 8:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Maybe Mitt was going for the scrapbooking vote with the binder comment.
posted by ian1977 at 8:19 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Jake Tapper whoops...that's actually Chuck Todd (on the Charlie Rose Show): The president had a plan and he executed it beautifully.
posted by Skygazer at 8:19 PM on October 16, 2012


King Bee: Hannity: "Romney prosecuted Obama on the last four years."

Hannity: Up next - Straw into gold! Straw into gold!
posted by Pudhoho at 8:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Iowa is NOT unrepresentative of America. You are ignorant of the demographics of Iowa as it is today. I am an Iowan.

I think that Iowa's probably the best single-state representation of the midwest, for sure. It's situated and laid out in just such a way that it's got an excellent mix of everything the midwest has to offer. It doesn't represent much outside of the midwest, however.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:20 PM on October 16, 2012


Complete Second Debate

From the comments:

UPVOTE IF ROMNEY WON
Reaperlastfm 26 minutes ago

UPVOTE IF OBAMA WON
Reaperlastfm 26 minutes ago 134
posted by Orange Pamplemousse at 8:20 PM on October 16, 2012


Phire, maybe Republicans should just start embarking on a campaign to repeal the 14th, 15th, 19th, 23rd, 24th and 26th amendment.

No person shall have a vote unless they are a white, property owning male. Everyone else should get back to work on the plantation.
posted by vuron at 8:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


H'okay, kids. It's been fun, but curfew is coming up, and if I don't get back into my binder I might spontaneously generate a pack of serial killers.
posted by cmyk at 8:20 PM on October 16, 2012 [26 favorites]


I think that at this point the results are already clear and definitive: Women Moderators.

Women, break free of your binders, and tell that governor to SIT DOWN.
posted by headnsouth at 8:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


It sounds like Romney was flustered!
posted by Elementary Penguin at 8:21 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


So what are the red staters saying?
posted by AElfwine Evenstar at 8:21 PM on October 16, 2012


So what are the red staters saying?

I'll get back to you after work tomorrow.

Three more weeks... Three more weeks... Three more weeks...
posted by clearly at 8:23 PM on October 16, 2012


The Haus of Gaga is already fiercely at work on the Binder Suit.
posted by Anything at 8:23 PM on October 16, 2012 [17 favorites]


The usual suspects on my facebook feed are VERY VERY QUIET right now. Waiting to be told what they think, I think.

I'm in a wall debate of whether the Rose speech was actually Obama calling the Libya attack an "Act of Terror." Why do I even try?
posted by jmd82 at 8:24 PM on October 16, 2012


So what are the red staters saying?
From my Facebook feed: Just because Obama said that we won't stand for acts of terror while talking about this doesn't mean he called this an act of terrorism.

(not kidding; wish I was)
posted by Flunkie at 8:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


So what are the red staters saying?

They're blaming the moderator for being a bitch (gendered language intentional, probably), a winning strategy for whiners and crybabies everywhere.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Haha I'm a Binder-American, but not a dirty,gun-spewing Binder-American.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:24 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Phire, maybe Republicans should just start embarking on a campaign to repeal the 14th, 15th, 19th, 23rd, 24th and 26th amendment.

Don't laugh. The other day I had that thought - what if they decided women shouldn't even vote? - and I started Googling it. And sure enough, there are a whole bunch of places on the web where you can hang out and talk about why women should not have the vote. I'm not saying they're actually Republican candidates, but you know, I wish it felt more like sci-fi to me than it really does to even think about.
posted by Miko at 8:26 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Transcript Truthers: Conservatives Deny Obama Called Libya Attack An "Act Of Terror"
posted by zombieflanders at 8:27 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm in a wall debate of whether the Rose speech was actually Obama calling the Libya attack an "Act of Terror." Why do I even try?

The tragedy for Mitt is that he repeated Obama's exact words: "act of terror." No wiggle room.
posted by gerryblog at 8:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


A few of my facebook friends are pretty happy with Romney. Saying that Obama just lied, lied, lied. Shrug.
posted by gaspode at 8:27 PM on October 16, 2012


They're blaming the moderator for being a bitch

And as we know, the side that whines about the moderator is the one that lost.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 8:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


I'm not saying they're actually Republican candidates

Definitely not, but those guys are not voting Democrat.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:27 PM on October 16, 2012


Wow, the internet is fast: Binders Full Of Women.
posted by lalex at 8:27 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


But seriously, my take-away from this debate is that I am so glad I never had to work for or along side with Romney. He seems like he would be such a condescending jerk to anyone with a binder vagina.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Just because Obama said that we won't stand for acts of terror while talking about this doesn't mean he called this an act of terrorism.

I was *just* coming here to wonder if that would be a line that Fox would trot out. "Acts of terror can be committed by non-terrorists! So Obama didn't REALLY call the attack an act of terrorism!"
posted by shortfuse at 8:28 PM on October 16, 2012


Either way, there was this observation from Mr. [George] Will on ABC, a compliment to both candidates and to the moderator, Candy Crowley of CNN: “I have seen every presidential debate in American history, since the four of Nixon and Kennedy in 1960. This was immeasurably the best.”
posted by Flashman at 8:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


"I sat across from people who were unemployed...of course, they weren't unemployed when they walked into my office, but hey, it's not like I was going to offer relocation expenses to China"
posted by jacy at 8:28 PM on October 16, 2012 [9 favorites]


But seriously, my take-away from this debate is that I am so glad I never had to work for or along side with Romney. He seems like he would be such a condescending jerk to anyone with a binder vagina.

they are kind of... binderish, in a nerd vagina dentata way. I think we have a new euphemism! hoorah!
posted by winna at 8:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]



"I sat across from people who were unemployed...of course, they weren't unemployed when they walked into my office, but hey, it's not like I was going to offer relocation expenses to China"


Especially since they are dirty currency manipulators!
posted by ian1977 at 8:30 PM on October 16, 2012


Republicans are saying Candy Crowley was wrong, since Obama actually said "No act of terror will..." so he used the phrase but didn't literally label the act with that phrase. It's a pretty ridiculous parsing.
posted by delmoi at 8:30 PM on October 16, 2012


The talking heads seem to be focusing on:
1. Obama came out swinging. Was it too much? Too little?
2. The Libyra Rose Garden AHA moment.

I can't understand why they aren't talking about:
1. The fact that Romney was undeniably rude and condescending to both the moderator and Obama. "That wasn't a question. That was a statement"
2. Answering a question about automatic rifles with "women, before you have kids, get married"
3. WOMEN FROM BINDERS
4. Obama's pretty knockout closing arguments bringing out the 47%.
posted by cacofonie at 8:30 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Vagina Dentata, what a wonderful phrase....
posted by cmyk at 8:31 PM on October 16, 2012


Lipstick Thespian: "Reince Preibus sounds like a medical problem to my ears. An intimate medical problem."

No, it's medical instructions. "reinse your Priebus three times daily. If conditions do not improve in five days, please contact your doctor."
posted by notsnot at 8:31 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


But seriously, my take-away from this debate is that I am so glad I never had to work for or along side with Romney. He seems like he would be such a condescending jerk to anyone with a binder vagina.
Seems to me like he'd be a condescending jerk to most of the binder-challenged amongst us too.
posted by Flunkie at 8:31 PM on October 16, 2012


I'm in a wall debate of whether the Rose speech was actually Obama calling the Libya attack an "Act of Terror." Why do I even try?

The tragedy for Mitt is that he repeated Obama's exact words: "act of terror." No wiggle room.


Then they move on and wonder why Obama didn't call it an Act Of Terror in the following 2 weeks. A continuing shift in the phrasing.
posted by jmd82 at 8:32 PM on October 16, 2012


wait for it
posted by The Whelk at 8:32 PM on October 16, 2012 [43 favorites]


wait for it

Geez, I didn't need to sleep EVER AGAIN.
posted by winna at 8:33 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Talking heads can't give this completely to Obama because that would undermine their whole horserace narrative. Obama winning narrowly helps fuel viewership even though the election is likely going to slip away from Romney after his performance.

Hell he gave the Obama campaign at least 2-3 weeks worth of soundbites to generate attack ads in this debate alone.
posted by vuron at 8:34 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


The Whelk: "wait for it"

Holy crap, that's frightening. Don't do that. It's almost bindertime for me. How am I supposed to file myself to sleep with that image in my brain? Damn it. Now I need kittens.
posted by dejah420 at 8:35 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


After we agree on making sure all future moderators are women, can we also agree that all future debate seating should be Biden/Ryan style with candidates comfortably seated opposite each other with moderator in between? I HATE the randomly wandering around stage style. It was making me really uncomfortable and distracted. I almost tuned out early on because I couldn't handle the tension. I couldn't stop nervously wondering how much more 'in your face' they were going to get.
posted by marsha56 at 8:36 PM on October 16, 2012


It was making me really uncomfortable and distracted.

It was like a classic case study in intimidating body language. I agree it looked sort of undignified.
posted by Miko at 8:37 PM on October 16, 2012


wait for it

HOLY SHIT, I JUST SPAT OUT MY WINE.
posted by Theta States at 8:38 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


ok, need more wine now...
posted by Theta States at 8:38 PM on October 16, 2012



HOLY SHIT, I JUST SPAT OUT MY WINE.

No, it was sucked out of your mouth and into the twin black holes where his eyes should be.
posted by ian1977 at 8:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Here's video of Romney being fact checked by the moderator, then the audience laughing and clapping about it.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:39 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Fantastic photo of Barack, Mitt, and Candy having a casual disagreement in NYT.
posted by maryr at 8:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Here's video of Romney being fact checked by the moderator, then the audience laughing and clapping about it.

What's the ETA on Fox News complaining about the bias of the (rich, mostly white) audience? Or has it happened already?
posted by jason_steakums at 8:40 PM on October 16, 2012


What a weird time for an emergency alert system test.
posted by feloniousmonk at 8:40 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Guys, I have to go to bed so let's shut this down until tomorrow okay?
posted by triggerfinger at 8:42 PM on October 16, 2012


Intrade at 65.1% Obama.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:42 PM on October 16, 2012


That story about the Binder stuff not even being accurate is quite good.
posted by Miko at 8:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Binder story not even true
posted by mikepop at 8:43 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


via zombieflanders in the motherthread: Mind The Binder - Hey, I know about that binder! And guess what -- Mitt Romney was lying about it.
What actually happened was that in 2002 -- prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration -- a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I've checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I've just presented it is correct -- and that Romney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.
Mitt's binder story appears to be yet another lie.
posted by cashman at 8:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [22 favorites]


What's the skinny on the binder y'all?
posted by fleacircus at 8:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt's binder story appears to be yet another lie.

gasp
posted by elizardbits at 8:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [12 favorites]


I think I'm going to dress up as a gigantic binder for Halloween.
posted by longdaysjourney at 8:45 PM on October 16, 2012 [22 favorites]


Guys, the binder story is so totally not true.
posted by cashman at 8:46 PM on October 16, 2012


Also
the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term
posted by Miko at 8:46 PM on October 16, 2012


Heh. "Server is too busy" on the binder debunking story, definitely making the rounds.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:46 PM on October 16, 2012


people, keep on linking to that binder-not-true story and quoting from it, because I can't get it to load
posted by koeselitz at 8:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Mitt Romney's appoinments of women did not continue apace in 2006. He must have misplaced his binders. (PDF)

Between January 2002 and July 2004, 14 (42 percent) of Governor Romney’s first 33 appointments to senior-level positions were women.

From 2004 to 2006, however, women made up just 25 percent of the 64 new appointments made by Governor Romney.

From January 2007, when Governor Patrick took office, to September 13, 2007, when data collection concluded, he had made 60 new appointments. Twenty-seven (45 percent) of these were women.



MassGAP’s early impact—with then-Governor Romney selecting women as 42 percent of his new appointments—was promising. However, the analysis in this report suggests that subsequent appointments did not reflect a continued commitment to the selection of women for high-level posts. The net result over the four points in time suggests that women’s gains between 2002 and 2006 were elusive: women at the end of the Romney administration did not hold a higher percentage of senior-level positions than when he took office (see Figure 2 above). What explains this fact?

First, even during the first time period (September 2002 through July 2004), the majority (61 percent) of new appoint- ments did not change the gender of the appointee. Our analysis shows that a woman was appointed to a position previously held by a woman in 24 percent of the cases, and Governor Romney appointed a man to a position already held by a man in 37 percent of cases.
Second, newly appointed women replaced men in 18 percent of the positions. However, in 21 percent of the cases, a man replaced a woman. It is this latter point that helps explain the lack of overall growth in women’s representation in top positions: men replaced more women than women replaced men.
Third, the pattern shown in 2004 was repeated in 2006, clearly indicating that gains are difficult to attain because women are appointed to replace women, men replace men, and when there is a change in sex, more men replace women than women replace men.

posted by oneirodynia at 8:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


At this point if Romney said that we were not being invaded by aliens from another planet I'd just head for the store to buy all the tin foil I could carry so as to make a covering to keep out their evil mind rays.
posted by winna at 8:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Hillary: Where's my binder?

Barack: You're flying on it.

posted by Panjandrum at 8:47 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


I can't read the binder story :(
posted by triggerfinger at 8:48 PM on October 16, 2012


It took forever to load for me, just give it some time.
posted by Miko at 8:49 PM on October 16, 2012


Earlier this evening a friend posted a story about how some Willard campaigner blew her a kiss as she was driving by and it gave her the creeps.

Now we know what this was about. He wanted to put her in his binder.
posted by cmyk at 8:50 PM on October 16, 2012


Oh man I really hope the streets are filled with ambling Trapper Keepers on Halloween. Rainbow Unicorns for all Americans!
posted by jetlagaddict at 8:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


The long and the short of the binder story is that Mitt didn't ask for the binders; he was presented them by a nonprofit group on the first day he took office.
posted by gerryblog at 8:51 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Cashman has the first 3 paragraphs of the article up above, here's the rest: (page still nonresponsive, I think we killed it):
I will write more about this later, but for tonight let me just make a few quick additional points. First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women.

Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)

Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?
End article
posted by dejah420 at 8:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


I demand more binder explanation. The internet fails me.

(AGAIN)
posted by purpleclover at 8:52 PM on October 16, 2012


"Server is too busy" on the binder debunking story,

It will load eventually, but the story seems to be a work in progress. I am sure it will get much more detail soon.
posted by lampshade at 8:52 PM on October 16, 2012


> he was presented them by a nonprofit group on the first day he took office.

You mean he took a handout?
posted by mrzarquon at 8:52 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


Wasn't following the thread real time, but when Romney brought up Obama's pension during the immigration section it was literally the same as when you're arguing with someone and think of the perfect comeback a few hours after it's relevant. Except the comeback was no good.

Also, I loved the guy who asked the last question: "I think this one is a tough question," then proceeds to lob a softball that equated to "Talk about how you're misunderstood as a person. Any aspect you want, doesn't really matter to me."
posted by DynamiteToast at 8:53 PM on October 16, 2012


> he was presented them by a nonprofit group on the first day he took office.

You mean he took a handout?


this pun is a thing of beauty and a joy forever.
posted by winna at 8:54 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


It still feels weird that Obama didn't hit the "Embassy security upgrade money was blocked by Congressional Republicans" thing, but then again he's been really canny about not getting bogged down in blaming people during these debates, and I bet that plays better.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:54 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


Also, I loved the guy who asked the last question: "I think this one is a tough question," then proceeds to lob a softball that equated to "Talk about how you're misunderstood as a person. Any aspect you want, doesn't really matter to me."

You're going to love #ToughQuestionsFromBarry on Twitter.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Also, I loved the guy who asked the last question: "I think this one is a tough question," then proceeds to lob a softball that equated to "Talk about how you're misunderstood as a person. Any aspect you want, doesn't really matter to me."

...which then led to Romney getting his ass kicked without the ability to respond.
posted by jaduncan at 8:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


Oh, by the way, Happy Ada Lovelace Day.
posted by homunculus at 8:56 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


Also, I loved the guy who asked the last question: "I think this one is a tough question," then proceeds to lob a softball that equated to "Talk about how you're misunderstood as a person. Any aspect you want, doesn't really matter to me."

I liked that one, because you don't often get a "YOU provide the negative point about yourself" question.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:57 PM on October 16, 2012


Best exchange between Obama and Romney all night.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 8:57 PM on October 16, 2012 [6 favorites]


I liked that one, because you don't often get a "YOU provide the negative point about yourself" question.

I did think it was an interesting question, but it didn't strike me as difficult to answer.
posted by DynamiteToast at 8:58 PM on October 16, 2012


no mater who won, we got candy
posted by The Whelk at 8:58 PM on October 16, 2012


I was waiting for the: "Where do you see yourself in 5 years time?" question.
Didn't happen.
posted by de at 8:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


The part that really pisses me off:
First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women.
So he wanted the appearance of working with women, but he didn't want to actually work with them. His version of "Run along and play, but bring me a drink first."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [8 favorites]


i wanted poffins
posted by elizardbits at 8:59 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


I liked that one, because you don't often get a "YOU provide the negative point about yourself" question.

I did think it was an interesting question, but it didn't strike me as difficult to answer.


It's the classic "What do you think your greatest weakness is?" job interview question. Anyone can turn that around and knock it out of the park, unless POTUS is also in on the interview.
posted by Think_Long at 9:00 PM on October 16, 2012


Best exchange between Obama and Romney all night.

Obama 2012: I'm your huckleberry.
posted by jason_steakums at 9:00 PM on October 16, 2012 [4 favorites]


You're going to love #ToughQuestionsFromBarry on Twitter.

"Why was I allowed to ask a question?"

"You see a turtle on its back. Do you give it a name? If so, what?"

"What's the difference between a duck?"
posted by winna at 9:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [3 favorites]


Rock, paper, or scissors? Please answer in form of saying "rock", "paper", or "scissors". Please also be specific. #ToughQuestionsFromBarry
posted by triggerfinger at 9:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [1 favorite]


i wanted poffins

Gretchen, stop trying to make poffins happen!
posted by lalex at 9:01 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


At the end, when the wives came onto the stage, Ann Romney looked is if she'd just discovered a deceased cockroach at the bottom of the glass after finishing her iced tea. That's gotta count for something.
posted by islander at 9:02 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


oh poffins are a thing in the world. They happen without our intervention, like magnets.
posted by winna at 9:02 PM on October 16, 2012


Romney going beserk during the debate.
posted by Bokmakierie at 9:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [7 favorites]


Ann Romney's quietly glad people are seeing what she's had to put up with all these years.
posted by de at 9:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [13 favorites]


CNN snap poll: Obama 46, Romney 39.

Sample was an even 33-33 Dem/GOP sample, which Wolf Blitzer mentions is ~8 points more Republican than the nation as a whole as averaged across prior surveys.

And he characterizes it as a draw.

whut
posted by Rhaomi at 9:03 PM on October 16, 2012 [5 favorites]


Via Twitter again: Dear Mitt: The VT shooter, the Columbine shooter, Dark Knight shooter, DC sniper... all from two parent families. Try again.
posted by Phire at 9:04 PM on October 16, 2012 [34 favorites]


So if Obama gets a sizable bounce from this debate and democrats are pretty much a lock to retain control of the Senate is there a remote chance that we could get a major increase in the house or is Super PAC money going to keep that reliably full of tea party nutcases? I'm having a hard time finding anyone really willing to make any sort of predictions about likely house makeup at this point.
posted by vuron at 9:04 PM on October 16, 2012


Anil Dash: Liberals want an America where we acknowledge losing a debate, get frustrated & come back trying. Conservatives today prefer denying a loss.
posted by Phire at 9:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [22 favorites]


Romney going beserk during the debate.

Watch out, Mister President! There's a pointy shark on the horizon, and his mouth is open!

Sometimes that shark he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. And, you know, the thing about a shark... he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be living... until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'. The ocean turns red, and despite all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip you to pieces.
posted by winna at 9:05 PM on October 16, 2012 [2 favorites]


Fucking Verlander. So, how was the debate?
posted by vrakatar at 9:06 PM on October 16, 2012


It still feels weird that Obama didn't hit the "Embassy security upgrade money was blocked by Congressional Republicans" thing

Part of the job of POTUS is getting Congress to do stuff. Bringing up Republic