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February 12, 2013 5:54 PM   Subscribe

President Barack Obama will tonight give the first State of the Union address of his second term in office. The address will again focus strongly on the issues of jobs and the economy. The Republican response will be delivered by Senator Marco Rubio of Florida and will focus on traditional Republican messages of lower taxes and spending. The bilingual Senator plans to give his remarks in both English and Spanish in an attempt to reach out to the Latino community which has proven difficult for Republican politicians to connect with. There will also be a Tea Party response delivered by Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Senator Paul will call for reduced spending and debt and for the Republican party to be more welcoming of immigrants. Jill Stein of the Green Party will also give a response.

Comprehensive live coverage is available online via C-SPAN.
posted by Drinky Die (255 comments total) 15 users marked this as a favorite
 
Also: Ted Nugent
posted by young sister beacon at 6:01 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


I was worried we weren't going to have a SotU thread, and I had nothing prepared to do one, so...yay Drinky. I find it astonishing that we've now got almost half a dozen responders to the speech. Some interesting facts, the opposition party response was started by the republicans because they didn't care for LBJ. Also, did you know that from john adams until Woodrow Wilson, the SotU was delivered by text, and not a speech? Adams felt the speechifying was too much like royal pronouncements and he stopped the practice started by George Washington.
posted by dejah420 at 6:01 PM on February 12, 2013


So I know this isn't the first time they've gotten a response but the Tea Party isn't a separate party from the GOP, is it? I don't understand why they get a response when they share funds with the RNC and regular old Republicans. Either get in line or start a new party?

I'm not a Republican and don't really care, but why would Republicans allow this to be a thing?
posted by OnTheLastCastle at 6:02 PM on February 12, 2013 [5 favorites]


Can someone tell me what would be the best channel to watch this on? And by best I mean funnest.
posted by young sister beacon at 6:03 PM on February 12, 2013


I have this thread and the Dorner thread live. Thanks, tabs.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:03 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


There is a lot to be said for the entertainment value of the crazy callers on C-SPAN.
posted by Drinky Die at 6:04 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


yeah, I too don't understand how the rebuttal team wants a rebuttal to the rebuttal. Its almost a Monty Python sketch.
posted by dejah420 at 6:04 PM on February 12, 2013 [4 favorites]


Energy Secretary Steven Chu is the Designated Survivor. He resigned two weeks ago though, I think that's cheating.
posted by troika at 6:05 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Thanks, tabs.

Thabs.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:06 PM on February 12, 2013 [19 favorites]


The Big Speech Of The Week
posted by homunculus at 6:06 PM on February 12, 2013


Chu hasn't resigned. He announced that he would resign when someone else takes over.
posted by Flunkie at 6:06 PM on February 12, 2013


For many Americans the highlight of the address is going to be watching heads explode when the Republican response is in Spanish. Going to be a lot of waffling on Fox News tonight...
posted by hobo gitano de queretaro at 6:07 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]




PBS just said that two of the Supremes aren't going to come. wow, that seems odd.
posted by dejah420 at 6:07 PM on February 12, 2013


C-SPAN, by far. The crazy callers, the shots of random people standing around beforehand, just the cinema verite-ness of the thing--I cannot recommend it enough. For stuff like debates and SOTUs, it's my favorite channel.

On preview: as long as Diana Ross and Mary Wilson are there, I'm chill.
posted by box at 6:09 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


PBS just said that two of the Supremes aren't going to come. wow, that seems odd.

Scalia hasn't attended since 1997.
posted by ddbeck at 6:09 PM on February 12, 2013


The bilingual Senator plans to give his remarks in both English and Spanish in an attempt to reach out to the Latino community which has proven difficult for Republican politicians to connect with.

They know that if you explain your racist policies in Spanish, that doesn't make them less racist, right?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:10 PM on February 12, 2013 [15 favorites]


OnTheLastCastle

In 1968 the Republicans gave 9 responses to Lyndon Johnson's SotU so 2 really isn't that outlandish.
posted by MrBobaFett at 6:12 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Flunkie: Chu hasn't resigned. He announced that he would resign when someone else takes over.

Everything I've read said he was stepping down at the end of the month.
posted by troika at 6:12 PM on February 12, 2013


They know that if you explain your racist policies in Spanish, that doesn't make them less racist, right?

I wouldn't assume they thought of this.
posted by OnTheLastCastle at 6:13 PM on February 12, 2013


Thanks, Mr. Fett! That is interesting.

BTW, anyone drinking their way through it. If Rand doesn't manage to look at the right camera, you have to keep drinking straight whiskey for the whole speech.
posted by OnTheLastCastle at 6:14 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


I have never liked "the response" by the party in opposition. It always strikes me as disrespectful on some level. This is supposed to be the President's show....at least that is how I always think of it. I think it detracts from and cheapens the entire event.

I don't think most people are watching by that point anyway.
posted by HostBryan at 6:14 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Did boner just try to yank off the presidents arm?
posted by Lord_Pall at 6:14 PM on February 12, 2013


PBS just said that two of the Supremes aren't going to come. wow, that seems odd.

As said earlier, Scalia hasn't attended for years, but PBS just said the other justice not in attendance is Alito, who's still butthurt over being called out in a previous SOTU speech for the Citizens United decision.
posted by palomar at 6:15 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


So did Gen. Dempsey just not put on all of his awards or something? Look at him compared to Gen. Odierno.
posted by A Bad Catholic at 6:15 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


In case one thread isn't enough, remember Metafilter chat is also available for live bloggery and goofing around.
posted by LobsterMitten at 6:16 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


really, ddbeck, how did I not know that? i'm sure you are correct, I just don't know how I could have not noticed that in all these years. Apparently all old white guys look alike to me. (I kid, I kid)
posted by dejah420 at 6:16 PM on February 12, 2013


When he started by invoking Kennedy I thought he was going to finish what President Bartlett wussed out on: we're going to cure cancer in 10 years.

Now the rest is going to be a disappointment.
posted by craven_morhead at 6:17 PM on February 12, 2013


Jill Stein of the Green Party

If past experience is any guide, the blue loves the Green.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 6:17 PM on February 12, 2013


Poor Biden. I would not want to have people staring at my eyes all night with a scratched cornea (per NBC).
posted by asperity at 6:19 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


I hate the line "The state of the Union is strong." It's so pro forma.
posted by Flunkie at 6:19 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Didn't he say the state of the union is strong-er?
posted by eddydamascene at 6:21 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


There's always the Middle Finger Response, if none of the others interest you.
posted by blaneyphoto at 6:21 PM on February 12, 2013


Weird, this was supposed to be about jobs and the economy but instead he is talking about the deficit.
posted by Drinky Die at 6:21 PM on February 12, 2013


State of the Union: In Favor of Easter Ties
posted by craven_morhead at 6:22 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Alito, who's still butthurt over being called out in a previous SOTU speech for the Citizens United decision.

On PBS Judy Woodruff tried to bring up Alito's behavior two times and each time David Brooks interrupted to point out some quotidian fact about whoever was on screen at the moment.
posted by audi alteram partem at 6:22 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


my theory is that biden has a purple tie on for domestic violence/pushing VAWA through.
posted by anya32 at 6:25 PM on February 12, 2013


I just got done partying all day for Mardi Gras here in New Orleans, came home to rest my weary soul, turned on SotU, and am thinking maybe I should get back to drinking.
posted by mostly vowels at 6:25 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


Re: removing the sequester only for defense cuts, not domestic spending. "That idea is even worse." Even worse. Be still my beating heart. Obama is so milquetoast it is almost beyond parody. Why is he so passionless and forced? I guess he has been for a very long time, but I've never quite gotten why.
posted by shivohum at 6:26 PM on February 12, 2013


I very rarely give a rats ass about media heads, but I despise David brookes with the fire of a thousand suns...
posted by dejah420 at 6:26 PM on February 12, 2013 [5 favorites]



I hate the line "The state of the Union is strong."


Each president should be required to add in some adjective like "The state of the union is strong... strong like bull."
posted by drezdn at 6:26 PM on February 12, 2013 [24 favorites]


Poor Biden. I would not want to have people staring at my eyes all night with a scratched cornea (per NBC).

If there's anyone who could get away with wearing shades at the SOTU address it's Joe Biden.

Boehner looks like he's thinking about what to have for dinner. Like, really thinking about it.
posted by Room 641-A at 6:28 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


STRONG LIKE OX, just like we're strong-like-ox-ing our way through this.
posted by asperity at 6:28 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


"The state of the union is strong-ish."

If you look at it just the right way. Sorta.
posted by notyou at 6:29 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


When Boenher holds his water up in front of his tie, he looks like he's drinking really weak lemonade.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:30 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


After shitting jobs?
posted by estuardo at 6:31 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Poor Biden. I would not want to have people staring at my eyes all night with a scratched cornea (per NBC).

If I were Biden, I'd have worn an eye patch. He could have been a proto-Bond-villain back there.
posted by gladly at 6:31 PM on February 12, 2013 [10 favorites]


If you're in a hurry to get to the twist ending, the whole speech is up on WaPo.
posted by Andrhia at 6:32 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Up and down, up and down, frown and smile, clap hands and clasp hands ... is this where the political definition of the word posturing has it's origins?
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:32 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


"The State of the Union is strong... like a really strong thing."
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:32 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


I'd rather hear more about the Union of the Snake.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:33 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


Boyfriend just noted Mary Landrieu had red, white, and blue Mardi Gras beads. LAISSEZ LES BON TEMPS ROULER.
posted by mostly vowels at 6:33 PM on February 12, 2013 [9 favorites]


I'm really enjoying watching Boehner's microexpressions throughout this speech. What a silly, useless malcontent he is.
posted by palomar at 6:33 PM on February 12, 2013 [14 favorites]


Boehner turns a deeper orange the more Obama goes on!
posted by lineofsight at 6:34 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


yeah, I too don't understand how the rebuttal team wants a rebuttal to the rebuttal. Its almost a Monty Python sketch.

The Silly Party and the Very Silly Party?
posted by octothorpe at 6:35 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Can someone with Photoshop combine the color values of Biden's and the Speaker's ties to see if the result is the color of Obama's tie? I think it's close.
posted by mikepop at 6:35 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


Clean energy arms race with China.
posted by mikepop at 6:37 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


The State of The Union is strong. Strong like my desire to bitch-slap half the people in this room. You know what you did.
posted by wabbittwax at 6:38 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


The President is openly talking about climate change and science and the middle class. Is this what it feels like to live in Canada?
posted by tripping daisy at 6:38 PM on February 12, 2013 [16 favorites]


Yay energy efficient housing gets a name drop! .....
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:39 PM on February 12, 2013


Well, none of the streaming sites are going for more than a few seconds without breaking up into pixelated horror. Damn Comcast. This thread is my sole link to what's going on with this and Dorner, now.
posted by AdamCSnider at 6:39 PM on February 12, 2013


Yay! Bridges!
posted by octothorpe at 6:39 PM on February 12, 2013 [4 favorites]


"Up and down, up and down, frown and smile, clap hands and clasp hands ... is this where the political definition of the word posturing has it's origins?"

They're enabling the Congressional cheat code.
posted by Room 641-A at 6:40 PM on February 12, 2013 [16 favorites]


"Shift our cars and trucks off of oil for good"

That's a strong line, and I appreciate that more than can be quantified.
posted by JoeXIII007 at 6:40 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


So here's what I want: some kind of tracking system to tell me who jumps up first to clap and what their affiliations are. This has got to be automatable now, and given that the audience is already part of the spectacle, seems reasonable, right?
posted by asperity at 6:40 PM on February 12, 2013


AdamCSnider, This is working well for me.
posted by johnpowell at 6:41 PM on February 12, 2013


This is totally irrelevant, but I can't look at Al Franken without thinking, "Wait, isn't he the guy from SNL?". I know, I know. But it's the CONTEXT! Franken was part my era of comedy television...
posted by sundrop at 6:41 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Boehner temporarily unsure if he's in favor of preschool
posted by Flunkie at 6:43 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


is there a Dorner thread? I haven't seen one. I hate to ask, but could I get a link...finding stuff with this device is harder than advertised.
posted by dejah420 at 6:43 PM on February 12, 2013


For those that care, Mrs.Eld does some pretty heavy research in the schooling (and it's effectiveness or lack thereof) field and her reaction to the preschool bit is "Yay! Preschool!" followed by a disagreement with the methodology/results of the Perry Preschool study (that the pres cited).
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:43 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Wow I don't know why I got so excited about the preschool initiative.
posted by azarbayejani at 6:44 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Thanks, johnpowell!

Wow, it's like Boehner has six different personalities all trying to control his face at once.
posted by AdamCSnider at 6:44 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


dejah420, here's the Dorner thread
posted by Flunkie at 6:45 PM on February 12, 2013


STEM STEM STEM blah blah blah, can we please get arts and music back in the schools? kthanxbai
posted by mostly vowels at 6:45 PM on February 12, 2013 [10 favorites]


SOTU Address guest of Republican Rep. Steve Stockman and American patriot Ted Nugent crapped his pants to avoid the draft. Gawker link that justifies that website's existence.
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:45 PM on February 12, 2013 [5 favorites]


Summary thus far:

President: "I want to do things to improve and fix our shit."
Democrats: "We applaud this."
Each Republican: "I'll start applauding when Boehner's the most ethnic guy up there."
posted by Bathtub Bobsled at 6:46 PM on February 12, 2013


STEM STEM STEM blah blah blah, can we please get arts and music back in the schools? kthanxbai

Not to mention trade schools... says the jaded holder of an engineering degree.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:46 PM on February 12, 2013 [6 favorites]


STEM STEM STEM

STEM is sometimes called STEAM. In theory, this is to incorporate design technique into Science, but reality seems to usually be incorporating hastily painted "Recycling is Good" posters.
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:48 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


STEM STEM STEM blah blah blah, can we please get arts and music back in the schools? kthanxbai

When's he gonna talk about dubstep? They promised dubstep in the promo video.
posted by azarbayejani at 6:49 PM on February 12, 2013


Kind of stopped paying attention and could swear he said "We know our congress is stronger than our wine."

That's obviously not true
posted by goHermGO at 6:50 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Who were those frowning women shaking their heads about fair paychecks?
posted by MegoSteve at 6:50 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Jesus, my rep Cathy McMorris-Rogers does not want to get equal pay for her work.
posted by wallabear at 6:51 PM on February 12, 2013 [8 favorites]


Biden keeps standing while Boner sits there limp.
posted by lineofsight at 6:51 PM on February 12, 2013


After the minimum wage raise, did Biden totally just eye Boehner like IT'S ON, ASSHOLE!!! Or was I just wishful thinking?
posted by mostly vowels at 6:51 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Bohner is having some very strange facial expressions...
posted by kuatto at 6:52 PM on February 12, 2013 [4 favorites]


Is the youtube feed going glitchy for anyone else? Is anon making good on their threat?
posted by radwolf76 at 6:53 PM on February 12, 2013


Jesus, my rep Cathy McMorris-Rogers does not want to get equal pay for her work.

Cad, women shouldn't get paid more than they're paid now. They should earn their money the old fashioned ways: inheriting from daddy or massive divorce settlements.
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:53 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


MegoSteve, see my comment, CMcMR on the left -- 4th in line rep leadership. Not sure who the other one is.
posted by wallabear at 6:53 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Boehner blows nose, news at 11
posted by kuatto at 6:54 PM on February 12, 2013


I am okay with manhood also being expressed by not conceiving any children.
posted by asperity at 6:54 PM on February 12, 2013 [11 favorites]


thanks flunkie. and I think orangeman may be stroking out on us.
posted by dejah420 at 6:54 PM on February 12, 2013


Is the youtube feed going glitchy for anyone else? Is anon making good on their threat?


Yeah audio is cutting in and out every few seconds for me.
posted by azarbayejani at 6:55 PM on February 12, 2013


STEM STEM STEM blah blah blah, can we please get arts and music back in the schools? kthanxbai
posted by mostly vowels at 6:45 PM on February 12 [+] [!]


Nope. Despite the worst invective from his critics, Obama is a capitalist through and through. The market wants hi-tech jobs and engineering. The market does NOT want Proust and Bach. Believe me, I hate the market's decisions too (I'm a History major) but Obama sees the writing on the wall. In the future, if you want to be middle class, you'll need to either be an engineer, an administrator of engineers or work for the government in some capacity.

There will be no other options. Obama understands that.
posted by Avenger at 6:55 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


Boehner not a fan of ending the war in Afghanistan
posted by Flunkie at 6:55 PM on February 12, 2013


The C-SPAN stream works in Australia, so now I can listen to something even more depressing than Frightened Rabbit. After watching America's Broken Dreams on Dateline I'm not feeling too good about my home country.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 6:56 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


you'll need to either be an engineer, an administrator of engineers or work for the government in some capacity.

Or a plumber. Citations abound. Really blue collar jobs that can't be exported aren't all that bad.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:57 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Is the youtube feed going glitchy for anyone else?

Was stuttering a little bit, back to normal / working fine as far as I can tell now.
posted by wildcrdj at 6:57 PM on February 12, 2013


Avenger: "Nope. Despite the worst invective from his critics, Obama is a capitalist through and through. The market wants hi-tech jobs and engineering. The market does NOT want Proust and Bach. Believe me, I hate the market's decisions too (I'm a History major) but Obama sees the writing on the wall. In the future, if you want to be middle class, you'll need to either be an engineer, an administrator of engineers or work for the government in some capacity. There will be no other options. Obama understands that."

Suck it up, enroll in engineering school, and do your duty to bring us Star Trek. There will be plenty of time to write about history when you're making it.
posted by The White Hat at 6:57 PM on February 12, 2013 [6 favorites]




Oh god he's just seen The Net.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 6:59 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


I'm just glad he wants to fight cyborg attacks and strengthen our cyborg defenses.
posted by MegoSteve at 7:00 PM on February 12, 2013 [8 favorites]


Trans-Pacific means more money for Australia and more people bitching about the military in Darwin, right?
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 7:01 PM on February 12, 2013


Lord, this is a sternly bored-looking crowd.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 7:02 PM on February 12, 2013


Obama used The Power of Hope! The Darkling took -5 HP damage! Obama leveled up his Power of Friendship!
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 7:02 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


I am a STEM professor and even I can't stand the STEM fetish any longer.

Yeah. It wouldn't be so bad if there were some kind of feeling that the people talking about it the most were actually inspired by STEM topics, or if we were talking about doing great things with it.

Instead, I get the feeling that most of the people pushing the agenda are more or less just worried that the STEM labor supply isn't higher and cheaper. And wouldn't go into a such a field *themselves*, of course, they just know how *important* it is.

Give me a politician who can get up and talk about how awesome it is that we can examine topics like the cardinality of infinite sets, or what material and engineering advances might get us a space elevator.
posted by weston at 7:03 PM on February 12, 2013 [17 favorites]


Trans-Pacific means more money for Australia and more people bitching about the military in Darwin, right?

Who's to say? It's being negotiated in secret. But it's filled with crap about protecting vested interests of giant US media conglomerates - copyright and IP 'protections'...etc
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:06 PM on February 12, 2013 [4 favorites]


Boehner not a fan of the right to vote
posted by Flunkie at 7:06 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Finally, the BONER stood up -- for Michelle Obama and Dr. Jill Biden.
posted by ericb at 7:07 PM on February 12, 2013


LET PEOPLE VOTE ONLINE. Easy. And maybe make it compulsory.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 7:07 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Improving voting access?! From my cynical little Florida-residing heart, I thank you.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:08 PM on February 12, 2013


Just for once I'd like to hear somebody say "We must protect our most precious resource: Our oil'. Or 'our gold'.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 7:08 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Am I allowed to say "Gal" now?
posted by goHermGO at 7:09 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


"When you look at the economic recovery's first two years, the top one percent captured 121 percent of all pre-tax income gains" - homunculus' link.
posted by jeffburdges at 7:09 PM on February 12, 2013


Aaaw, he's talking about the girl at his inauguration.
posted by young sister beacon at 7:10 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Gabrielle Giffords is just holding her hands together and shaking them up and down instead of clapping, and that makes me surprisingly sad
posted by daisystomper at 7:10 PM on February 12, 2013 [7 favorites]


weston: "Give me a politician who can get up and talk about how awesome it is that we can examine topics like the cardinality of infinite sets, or what material and engineering advances might get us a space elevator."

Look, politicians are politicians. You wanna meet people excited about STEM you hang out with educators.
posted by Deathalicious at 7:11 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


what was all the rabble noise during that last applause segment? Pro or con?
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:11 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


It kind of floors me that Obama is having to shame Congress into voting on policies.
posted by Deathalicious at 7:12 PM on February 12, 2013 [17 favorites]


Boehner looks like he's torn between severe gastric distress and occasionally drilling one into his chair.
posted by Ber at 7:12 PM on February 12, 2013 [4 favorites]


I think they were chanting VOTE
posted by mikepop at 7:13 PM on February 12, 2013


He's really making these names sound made up on the spot.
posted by goHermGO at 7:13 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Bohner is having some very strange facial expressions...

He looks more and more like the cartoon dog, Droopy.
posted by ericb at 7:13 PM on February 12, 2013


Boehner looks like he's torn between severe gastric distress and occasionally drilling one into his chair.

Or maybe he ate something rotten on purpose just to troll Obama and see how he deals with the terrible smell.
posted by azarbayejani at 7:14 PM on February 12, 2013


Gawd Bohner isn't standing for the 102 year old that voted. That confirms it. Asshat.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:14 PM on February 12, 2013 [24 favorites]


Bohener won't stand up for a 102 y.o. woman.

Screw you, asshole.
posted by ericb at 7:15 PM on February 12, 2013 [7 favorites]


Desiline, 102 years -- if that doesn't make some poor Republican bastard's heart change...

On preview, Roland....& ericb
posted by wallabear at 7:15 PM on February 12, 2013


Shit I was a fan of Bohner until he didn't stand up for that old ass lady. Fuck him in the butt now.
posted by riruro at 7:16 PM on February 12, 2013 [12 favorites]


I know this is the Obama show, but I am secretly a little disappointed that there wasn't a Tedcam.
posted by young sister beacon at 7:16 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


“Families, gay and straight.”

I'm kind of with Sully on this one-- I can't imagine those words ever being written like that for a Romney SOTU, or a Bush one. I have grown up with the word "family" being ever more encompassing and broad and that really is a good thing about the state of the union, right now.
posted by jetlagaddict at 7:17 PM on February 12, 2013 [18 favorites]


"HI PRESIDENT OBAMA"
posted by azarbayejani at 7:20 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


ACROSS
1. Bohner

DOWN
1. A seven letter word for dipshit

   B   
   _   
ASSHAT
   N   
   E   
   R   

posted by tripping daisy at 7:24 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Why is Karl Rove on my local Fox news show? I thought you had fucked completely off, Karl.
posted by benito.strauss at 7:28 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


It's a sad commentary on the state of the union when your president is pleading your legislature to get Very Big Issues to a vote. Not passed. Just voted on.
posted by craven_morhead at 7:29 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


It's Marco Rubio! He wants to sell you something.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:30 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


And ... Now it's Marco!
posted by ericb at 7:30 PM on February 12, 2013


Marco Rubio can take a flying fuck.
posted by young sister beacon at 7:31 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Just rank bullshit from minute one.
posted by benito.strauss at 7:31 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Marco Rubio: He can look at the correct camera!
posted by protocoach at 7:31 PM on February 12, 2013


I don't understand what's on top of Rubio's picture frame. Web cam?
posted by mostly vowels at 7:32 PM on February 12, 2013


He seems flat, not quite the superstar I keep hearing about.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:32 PM on February 12, 2013


MOAR GOVERNMENT!!!
posted by mostly vowels at 7:32 PM on February 12, 2013


"Gov't will not create jobs."

Internet, anybody?
posted by benito.strauss at 7:32 PM on February 12, 2013 [4 favorites]


Well yeah dude, Obamacare did help me when I paid exactly $0 for my birth control last month for the first time in my adult life.
posted by mostly vowels at 7:33 PM on February 12, 2013 [26 favorites]


Wow, this is some dull boilerplate Republican talking points.
posted by octothorpe at 7:33 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Univision employee: Sen. Marco Rubio is a “loser” and “a token slave boy.”
posted by ericb at 7:34 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Figured it out. He sounds like an infomercial or that high school teacher who drones on and on.

"Government taxes too...anyone, anyone?"
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:34 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


HE EVEN CRITICIZED US
posted by mostly vowels at 7:34 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Some gal just dropped the S bomb prior to the Tea Party response on the CSPAN feed.
posted by The White Hat at 7:34 PM on February 12, 2013


Honestly. The vote-by-mail systems in Washington state and Oregon work. You get a voter's pamphlet in the mail. You get your ballot in the mail, with at least a couple weeks to study the issues on the ballot. You fill out your ballot and drop it in the mail, or drop it last minute at a ballot box. If you're registered to vote and your address is current, you get to vote. No lines, no schedule or weather issues, no last minute bullshit, no broken machines or poll site nonsense. Highly recommended.
posted by wallabear at 7:34 PM on February 12, 2013 [25 favorites]


Citing the growth figure for "the last three months of 2012"? Jezuz Christ this guy is the biggest load of crap I've seen in a while.
posted by benito.strauss at 7:36 PM on February 12, 2013


Did he seriously just talk about God blessing America with coal? Say what?
posted by mostly vowels at 7:36 PM on February 12, 2013


Has the response part always been a thing that happened or has it only started in recent years?
posted by young sister beacon at 7:36 PM on February 12, 2013


I really don't know why anyone accepts the SOTU response job; it's almost impossible to not seem petty and small.

Because they want to give the SOTU
posted by craven_morhead at 7:37 PM on February 12, 2013


Did he seriously just talk about God blessing America with coal? Say what?

Then God must love Arabs more than Americans. Who knew?
posted by benito.strauss at 7:38 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


The opposition response started in 1966. So it depends on whether you consider that recent or not.
posted by Justinian at 7:38 PM on February 12, 2013


Has the response part always been a thing that happened or has it only started in recent years?

Someone upthread mentioned it started with cranky Republicans who hated LBJ - I'd love to learn more about this
posted by mostly vowels at 7:38 PM on February 12, 2013


I'm distracted by the quick swipes at the beads of sweat rolling down his head.
posted by wallabear at 7:38 PM on February 12, 2013


Oh God, he's still talking. It's like 7th period history, you just want it to end because you feel like it's draining the life out of you.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:38 PM on February 12, 2013 [6 favorites]


Is there a point by point fact check for this response? It feels like about 1 lie per 4 sentences.
posted by benito.strauss at 7:39 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


TIME Magazine's cover story this week: The Rebublican Savior -- "How Marco Rubio became the new voice of the GOP.
posted by ericb at 7:39 PM on February 12, 2013


FYI, Obama created more debt in four years than Bush did with the two wars.

Please tell me he's lying, 'cause no one can be that stupid, right?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:40 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


that was the most self-conscious drink from a tiny water bottle ever
posted by daisystomper at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013 [13 favorites]


ABORT ABORT
posted by tripping daisy at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013


Oh oops, dejah420 mentioned it here. Sorry, missed that.
posted by young sister beacon at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013


That water grab is a pretty hilarious screenshot waiting to happen.
posted by protocoach at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Errr wait
posted by tripping daisy at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Of course he doesn't want to change his Mom's benefits - that's reserved for us under 55.

And uh, wow dude, dry mouth?
posted by wallabear at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013


Did he just drink a glass of water on camera? Really?!

He's boring his own mouth by droning on.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013


Did he just lick his hand? Wtf?
posted by Big_B at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013


Yeah that was awkward.
posted by Justinian at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013


Awkward water drink. I thought he was going to bring out a ridiculous prop of some kind.
posted by cacofonie at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013


That was the most awkward break for water I've ever seen in my life
posted by mostly vowels at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013


If Rubio drinks, finish your drink!
posted by Drinky Die at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Hahahaha. Take another swig of your water. Christ Rubio is so lame. LAAAAAMMMMMMEEEEEEE. Ugh, he's like a nervous teenager in Public Speaking 101.

This dude has no future.
posted by windbox at 7:41 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Whoa ... reaching for the drink! Jon, Dave, Stephen, Jimmy and SNL just got the comedic move of this early year!
posted by ericb at 7:42 PM on February 12, 2013


He's playing his own SOTU drinking game! You go Marco!
posted by Big_B at 7:42 PM on February 12, 2013 [5 favorites]




The speech is making him sound like a tremendous dipshit to my liberal ears but put that aside for a second. What the hell was that with the water? Why can the Republicans never do these without looking totally bush league? It's not like they don't have experience with this sort of thing.
posted by Drinky Die at 7:43 PM on February 12, 2013


Hey, don't knock him for needing a drink of water. That many lies tends to dry out your throat.
posted by benito.strauss at 7:43 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


And Jindal dances some freaky dance, somewhere...
posted by wallabear at 7:43 PM on February 12, 2013 [10 favorites]


He looks nervous, like he doesn't know how to end this thing.

Plus, we could cure the energy problem just by the amount of his blinking.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:43 PM on February 12, 2013


Holy fuck. Rubio is the straw man MASTER.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:43 PM on February 12, 2013


This is the weirdest combo of GOP talking points, fuzzy Hallmark paeans to Moms, bad speech-class assignments, and bootstraps lecturing ever...
posted by mostly vowels at 7:44 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


Gosh, I wonder if the internet will mock him for the awkward grab for water.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:44 PM on February 12, 2013 [5 favorites]


Even NBC's mocking him for the water grab.
posted by asperity at 7:44 PM on February 12, 2013


I don't blame him for needing water, I blame the whole setup for requiring him to slowly and awkwardly lean out of the frame, while the audience had no clue what he was doing, to get the water.
posted by Drinky Die at 7:44 PM on February 12, 2013


Already mocked by Maddow for the awkward water grab. About 5 seconds into her analysis.
posted by craven_morhead at 7:45 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]




So does the Rand Paul response come after this?
posted by benito.strauss at 7:45 PM on February 12, 2013


Bob Schieffer being a nice old man about the awkward water drink
posted by mostly vowels at 7:45 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Ha, even Fox news is noting the awkward water grab.

Man, the world is going to eat him alive for that. He looked like a lying ass salesman who was getting nervous about the amount of bullshit he was spewing.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:46 PM on February 12, 2013 [4 favorites]


It just looked like he got very acutely constipated.
posted by cacofonie at 7:48 PM on February 12, 2013


Wow, that was lame. Rubio is the Republican's great hope for 2016?
posted by octothorpe at 7:48 PM on February 12, 2013


Jindal is being interviewed by Brian Williams on NBC right now. He opened by saying that he thought Rubio did an 'excellent job' tonight.
posted by ericb at 7:49 PM on February 12, 2013


It looks even worse in gif form.
posted by Drinky Die at 7:49 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Did he put the water bottle back on the floor? Don't they have an empty chair at least to place it on?
posted by mikepop at 7:49 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


As a Louisiana resident I can't believe I am voluntarily watching Jindal right now.
posted by mostly vowels at 7:50 PM on February 12, 2013 [6 favorites]


The water bottle lives on Clint Eastwood's empty chair
posted by mostly vowels at 7:50 PM on February 12, 2013 [12 favorites]


Remember how weird Bobby Jindal was in the same circumstance? I recall cringing a bit when Tim Kaine did the rebuttal after W. Even though he sounded fine, he had that jump-uppy eyebrow, dog love his heart.
posted by maggieb at 7:51 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Who's interviewing The Nuge? Which channel?
posted by benito.strauss at 7:52 PM on February 12, 2013


Brandon Blatcher: "Plus, we could cure the energy problem just by the amount of his blinking."

Actually this is a common misconception. In reality, our energy needs are actually much greater than that. For example, it's wishful thinking to believe that the GOP could solve our energy problems simply by causing Lincoln to spin in his grave extremely quickly.
posted by Deathalicious at 7:53 PM on February 12, 2013 [8 favorites]


So I just go in and missed the whole thing and was wondering:

Is the state of the union strong?
posted by mazola at 7:55 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


Remember how weird Bobby Jindal was in the same circumstance?
The main thing I remember about Jindal's SOTU response was that he came off like Mr. Rogers.

Well, I mean, Mr. Rogers from that parallel universe where Spock has a goatee.
posted by Flunkie at 7:56 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


mazola: maybe. I'm fairly cynical and I at least feel like America isn't stuck on denial as much as it used to be. He called for a $9 minimum wage, more contributions from the wealthy and corporations to the nation's welfare as well as investment in science and technology while directly addressing climate change and gun control.

It makes me wish they were all one term Presidents so we could get something besides polling results in Ohio as a national direction.
posted by tripping daisy at 7:59 PM on February 12, 2013


Eight Reasons Why Marco Rubio Is Not ‘The Republican Savior’.

Six Hundred and Sixty Six Reasons Why Writing Your Essay As A Number List For SEO Is A Sign Of The Apocalypse.
posted by ennui.bz at 8:01 PM on February 12, 2013 [8 favorites]


So I know this isn't the first time they've gotten a response but the Tea Party isn't a separate party from the GOP, is it? I don't understand why they get a response when they share funds with the RNC and regular old Republicans. Either get in line or start a new party?

I'm not a Republican and don't really care, but why would Republicans allow this to be a thing?



Cause they are really busy rearranging the deck chairs?
posted by notreally at 8:04 PM on February 12, 2013


Marco Rubio's wikipedia before they temporarily locked his page to unregistered users.
posted by young sister beacon at 8:04 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


If I was running Rubio's exploratory committee, I'd be putting his face on drinking birds as a fundraiser ASAP.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 8:11 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


I like to think Rubio's drink was product placement. (*Gotta get the sponsor in there. Gotta get the sponsor in there*)
posted by drezdn at 8:13 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


The President is openly talking about climate change and science and the middle class. Is this what it feels like to live in Canada?

Apparently you haven't heard of Stephen Harper.
posted by one more dead town's last parade at 8:14 PM on February 12, 2013 [12 favorites]


The President is openly talking about climate change and science and the middle class. Is this what it feels like to live in Canada?

Apparently you haven't heard of Stephen Harper.


America is Canada 20 years ago?
posted by curious nu at 8:16 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


Well, Obama's got three more years to do a secret Muslim socialist Mic drop, I guess.
posted by klangklangston at 8:16 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


You really need the full minute before the water grab to appreciate just how thirsty the poor man was.
posted by Combustible Edison Lighthouse at 8:17 PM on February 12, 2013 [6 favorites]


Want to increase beer sales? Don't serve peanuts, just play that Rubio swallowing clip on a loop.
posted by benito.strauss at 8:24 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]


YOU FORGOT ABOUT POLAND (SPRINGS)!
posted by boo_radley at 8:31 PM on February 12, 2013 [7 favorites]


to appreciate just how thirsty the poor man was

Oh god, that's uncomfortable to watch.

I didn't watch Rubio because Jindal just creeped me out last year and I was afraid of more of the same. Just as expected. Last great hope of the GOP?
posted by readery at 8:31 PM on February 12, 2013


The main thing I remember about Jindal's SOTU response was that he came off like Mr. Rogers.

What is this blasphemy? He was obviously Kenneth Parcell from 30 Rock.
posted by Talez at 8:39 PM on February 12, 2013 [2 favorites]


I'm just a silly librul so you may stop reading now if you wish, but whenever this president speaks I listen and feel for a moment inspired at the opportunities that being a citizen of the ole U.S.A. provides to me to be the best I can in all I do to help both myself and others in our shared vision of making the world a better place. The feeling goes away after awhile ( I'm taking medication for it ), but I'm still concerned that if I listen to this man too much I might want to start helping people or some stuff like that. Please advise.
posted by localhuman at 9:39 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


The President is openly talking about climate change and science and the middle class. Is this what it feels like to live in Canada?

Nope. In Canada we are marking the Death of Evidence. Not really pro-science.

Cuts to science and research have been pretty drastic in the past year and climate change... international embarrassment is how many of us would describe our role in that realm.
posted by chapps at 10:00 PM on February 12, 2013 [1 favorite]


TED NUGENT ATTENDS THE STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS: COMEDIANS REACT ON TWITTER, including Mefi's Own, Anil Dash.
posted by maggieb at 10:09 PM on February 12, 2013 [3 favorites]



All that to say this was the first time I watched the state of the union..... And it was in hopes for leadership on climate change that might pressure Harper. Embarrassing.
posted by chapps at 10:10 PM on February 12, 2013


I didn't watch Rubio because Jindal just creeped me out last year

You're going to hate me for this, but his turn came in 2009. True enough, it was rather epic. [uh] [uhhhhh] Just remember that he had been touted as lava-hot, explosive 2012 material.
posted by dhartung at 10:24 PM on February 12, 2013


He looks nervous, like he doesn't know how to end this thing.

He looked coked up or something with all the weird mouth things he was doing and touching his face. But unfounded slander aside, Rubio’s speech was just awful. I think that was the end, or at least a huge stall, in his Presidential run.

Obama was inspiring.
posted by bongo_x at 10:40 PM on February 12, 2013


I've never been terribly impressed by Rubio, but wow, that was pretty awful. The usual parade of talking points overshadowed by that cringeworthy lunge for water. I bet he's glad the Dorner story is sucking up a lot of media oxygen, because the whole thing just screamed "not ready for prime time." Seriously, can you imagine Obama circa 2005 -- a year *after* the keynote that rocked the political world -- looking that nervous and unprepared?

Anyway, I think Rubio-as-ethnic-GOP savior is a red herring. You want the real threat to Democratic dominance of the Hispanic vote, someone genuinely charismatic and being groomed for a political rise verrrry thoroughly, I invite you to check out the upcoming attraction for 2020s conservative politics: George P. Bush. Business experience, military experience, family connections, a foundation in Texas politics, and I doubt the Bush name will be as toxic as most here assume a decade-plus after 43's exit.
posted by Rhaomi at 12:22 AM on February 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


Does anyone have a example of Rubio being good at public speaking? I'm a bit lost at how someone could think he could survive a presidential campaign.

I was slightly reminded of Will McKenzie attempting to lose his virginity in the Inbetweeners
posted by johnpowell at 12:24 AM on February 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


Oh, man, I feel for Rubio here. He sips from the water while his eyes try to say "you're not really seeing this... this isn't happening..."
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:54 AM on February 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


I almost wish that SNL and the late night comedians would realize it's just too hard to top the hilarity of the actual incident, and that everyone will be trying anyway, so why even bother. Although a "Top Ten Things Going Through Marco Rubio's Mind" list might not be too bad.
posted by TheSecretDecoderRing at 2:35 AM on February 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


"These pretzels are making me thirsty"
posted by mikelieman at 4:37 AM on February 13, 2013 [4 favorites]


"you're not really seeing this... this isn't happening..."

It's called an illusion Michael.
posted by The Whelk at 4:47 AM on February 13, 2013 [6 favorites]


I'm not a Republican and don't really care, but why would Republicans allow this to be a thing?

Allowing the Tea Party to have a separate response means that whoever's delivering the State of the Union response doesn't have to include Tea Party talking points in their own speech and can appear more mainstream - while still convincing the Tea Party that they're included and don't have to go third-party.
posted by corb at 4:55 AM on February 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


I'll admit to consciously avoiding the whole show last night, but I have to say that background for Rubio's response looks horrible. Like it's a window in some second-floor utility closet that they hurriedly gussied-up with curtains, family photos, and a flag. They honestly couldn't use a more...statesmanlike...setting?
posted by Thorzdad at 5:05 AM on February 13, 2013


Best LOLRubio I've seen so far has the caption "Stay Thirsty My Friends." Just right.

Of course that requires a dry sense of humor to be funny.
posted by spitbull at 5:13 AM on February 13, 2013 [5 favorites]


I was disappointed that Rubio's response didn't mention how he prefers Tupac to Biggie.
posted by box at 5:46 AM on February 13, 2013


Looks like Rubio went on the morning shows today and during all the interviews he reached off-camera for a bottle of water. That's probably the best thing he could have done, so I give him (or his handlers) credit for not taking it too seriously.
posted by Room 641-A at 7:10 AM on February 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


I can't wait for the SNL sketch that is just Marco Rubio reaching off-screen for increasingly tiny bottles of water.
posted by shakespeherian at 7:41 AM on February 13, 2013 [6 favorites]


Rubio could've shown a sense of humor at the time, saying "excuse me" or something, instead of doing damage control after the fact. But he was too caught up in "Ooohh yeah I'm gonna show Obama what for!"

And TV comedy writers must hate the internet/social media for stealing their thunder, esp with stuff like this and the debates. "We can't do that skit either, someone did it already!" Although it'd be cool if someone did a meta joke about that.
posted by TheSecretDecoderRing at 7:59 AM on February 13, 2013


Turns out it was a product placement by Poland Springs after all! ; )
posted by ericb at 8:07 AM on February 13, 2013 [1 favorite]


The End Of No-Drama Obama

Keeping The Minimum In Minimum Wage
This is the quote to remember every time a Republican asserts his working-class bona fides -- his job in the family tavern, his immigrant parents, his time flipping burgers as a child -- and attempts to demonstrate, once again, that trickle-down economics and supply-side unicorn farming are really done for the folks. John Boehner believes if you pay someone nine bucks an hour, instead of seven, you make it harder for them to rise in society. Low wages are a form of moral correction.

Truly, though, the president had to know he was throwing long into double-coverage on this one. The minimum wage is one of those issues that politicians -- most, but no means all, of them Republicans -- hate. It is enormously popular out in the country; it prevails with regularity at the state level. But the people who purchase Congresses hate it like they hate a valet who's late with the car. And since the country's real owners don't like it, the idea that anything would happen at the federal level is a longshot at best.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 9:58 AM on February 13, 2013 [4 favorites]






Poland Spring's Missed State of the Union Opportunity -- "Poland Spring came up dry when Senator Marco Rubio gave the bottled-water company a moment of social-media fame."
posted by ericb at 12:59 PM on February 13, 2013


Going beyond the dry mouth stuff, TPM has a good article on the substance of Rubio's response, which was most just doubling down on discredited ideas.
posted by benito.strauss at 1:05 PM on February 13, 2013


Poland Spring finally took to Facebook to capitalize on its Marco Rubio moment after the State of the Union address.
posted by ericb at 1:49 PM on February 13, 2013


So ... he was thirsty?

That's ... supposed to be hilarious, for some reason?

I really don't understand people sometimes.
posted by kyrademon at 2:59 PM on February 13, 2013 [2 favorites]


Thirsty people are funny, you have to admit.
posted by mazola at 3:04 PM on February 13, 2013


People sip water during speeches, sure, but this was a perfect storm of unintended comedy. The lip-smacking, his frantic demeanor, the way he fumbles waay off-camera, his persistent eye contact, and the absurdly tiny bottle, and then the resumption as if nothing happened.

It's almost as if he was doing a parody of someone sipping water during a speech... But it wasn't a parody!
posted by TheSecretDecoderRing at 3:12 PM on February 13, 2013 [1 favorite]




Maybe things aren't so bad after all
posted by Renoroc at 6:35 PM on February 13, 2013




Actually, wait. Look at that man. He looks like Jack Nicholson in Batman. He's one chemical bath and a Prince song short of wrecking a museum and kidnapping Vicki Vale. I'm not saying he's a criminally insane mastermind, but maybe let's keep Michael Keaton on speed dial.
posted by boo_radley at 8:33 PM on February 13, 2013 [3 favorites]


From Renoroc's link:

Nugent, who came to the nation’s capital unarmed

OK, that made me chuckle. I was half expecting him to show up with a firearm to prove some fucking point. Nice of them to clarify the situation. I guess.
posted by wallabear at 8:56 PM on February 13, 2013






Fox News Hosts Mock Desiline Victor, 102 Year Old Woman Who Waited Three Hours To Vote (AUDIO).

Keep it up guys .. sure way to helping your GOP become a 'winning team,' assholes!
posted by ericb at 1:36 PM on February 14, 2013 [1 favorite]


Funny thing is that I'm guessing the GOP won the 102-year old demographic.
posted by TheSecretDecoderRing at 12:05 AM on February 15, 2013


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