Malacrianza
May 22, 2013 9:10 PM Subscribe
This is an awesome story, but I hate how whenever a matador is killed by a bull people say the matador 'deserved it'.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 9:54 PM on May 22, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 9:54 PM on May 22, 2013 [1 favorite]
Hey I was a victim / taunter of an angry Costa Rican bull!
posted by Meatbomb at 10:23 PM on May 22, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Meatbomb at 10:23 PM on May 22, 2013 [1 favorite]
I hate how whenever a matador is killed by a bull people say the matador 'deserved it'.
Really? Can you elaborate? In what sense does the matador 'not deserve' it?
posted by trip and a half at 11:55 PM on May 22, 2013 [4 favorites]
Really? Can you elaborate? In what sense does the matador 'not deserve' it?
posted by trip and a half at 11:55 PM on May 22, 2013 [4 favorites]
Really? Can you elaborate? In what sense does the matador 'not deserve' it?
In what way does he? Sure, he died in honest combat and contest with the bull, so its not an unexpected tragedy. But I hate the way people cheer an animal killing a man, like it's some great thing or karmic justice.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 12:00 AM on May 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
In what way does he? Sure, he died in honest combat and contest with the bull, so its not an unexpected tragedy. But I hate the way people cheer an animal killing a man, like it's some great thing or karmic justice.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 12:00 AM on May 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
Well, some of us really are rooting for the bull in a heartfelt way, you know? Why taunt a beast you can befriend (especially when your intention is to cause suffering to the beast who can do sweet FA about it)?
posted by de at 12:10 AM on May 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by de at 12:10 AM on May 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
Charlemagne In Sweatpants: "he died in honest combat and contest with the bull"
Any creature dying needlessly in agony is a tragedy. But "honest combat"? They torture the animals for days beforehand, and then harpoon and bleed them before they even step in to the arena. It's not even close to an even match.
posted by vanar sena at 12:15 AM on May 23, 2013 [6 favorites]
Any creature dying needlessly in agony is a tragedy. But "honest combat"? They torture the animals for days beforehand, and then harpoon and bleed them before they even step in to the arena. It's not even close to an even match.
posted by vanar sena at 12:15 AM on May 23, 2013 [6 favorites]
There's something I'd say that normally people disagree with, so I'll just quote the article's author: If that seems like treachery to the human race, it is.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 12:23 AM on May 23, 2013
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 12:23 AM on May 23, 2013
Charlemagne In Sweatpants: ": If that seems like treachery to the human race, it is. "
One man's traitor is another man's conscientious objector.
posted by vanar sena at 12:26 AM on May 23, 2013
One man's traitor is another man's conscientious objector.
posted by vanar sena at 12:26 AM on May 23, 2013
If that seems like treachery to the human race, it is.
I will not barrack for a thug no matter its biology!
posted by de at 12:38 AM on May 23, 2013
I will not barrack for a thug no matter its biology!
posted by de at 12:38 AM on May 23, 2013
Near the entrance, a man from Calgary, Alberta, Canada, dressed in a tropic-themed button-down shirt handed a wad of colones to a man selling Malacrianza T-shirts. He bought one shirt for himself, and one for his petite wife, a huge fan of the Calgary Stampede rodeo. “Now we can go home and say, ‘That’s nothing,’” she said. “We heard this bull is a killer.”
Because that's what the Stampede needs, more deaths. Speaking as a Calgarian: sigh.
Wonderful article, though.
posted by ZaphodB at 1:20 AM on May 23, 2013
Because that's what the Stampede needs, more deaths. Speaking as a Calgarian: sigh.
Wonderful article, though.
posted by ZaphodB at 1:20 AM on May 23, 2013
If that seems like treachery to the human race, it is.
Well, the winner gets to write history, right? This bull is the winner.
On the other hand, unlike more familiar firs of bullfighting, the Costa Rican version isn't designed to kill the bull. So I feel a bit weird about cheering him for killing the riders -- it's an occupational hazard, sure, but not a death match.
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:57 AM on May 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
Well, the winner gets to write history, right? This bull is the winner.
On the other hand, unlike more familiar firs of bullfighting, the Costa Rican version isn't designed to kill the bull. So I feel a bit weird about cheering him for killing the riders -- it's an occupational hazard, sure, but not a death match.
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:57 AM on May 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
To reiterate, Costa Rican bull fighting is rodeo style bull riding...the bull isn't harmed, only the amateur riders.
posted by Slap*Happy at 2:56 AM on May 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by Slap*Happy at 2:56 AM on May 23, 2013 [2 favorites]
"Though boys throw stones at frogs in sport, yet the frogs do not die in sport but in earnest."
- Bion of Borysthenes
The odds are massively stacked against the bull. This is not conjecture, but fact. The bull is entered into the contest with no indication of having volunteered, and then is almost invariably killed, slowly and painfully. Just as with people, on occasion the intended victim is able to overcome his attacker. When an intended human murder victim defeats his assailant it is cause for glad tidings. Nevertheless we do not call the murder of people sport, and it is inaccurate to call the murder of bulls sport. Good marketing though! Calling it "Painful Slaughter of Animals for the Pleasure of People" may not sell as many t-shirts.
posted by jcworth at 5:44 AM on May 23, 2013
- Bion of Borysthenes
The odds are massively stacked against the bull. This is not conjecture, but fact. The bull is entered into the contest with no indication of having volunteered, and then is almost invariably killed, slowly and painfully. Just as with people, on occasion the intended victim is able to overcome his attacker. When an intended human murder victim defeats his assailant it is cause for glad tidings. Nevertheless we do not call the murder of people sport, and it is inaccurate to call the murder of bulls sport. Good marketing though! Calling it "Painful Slaughter of Animals for the Pleasure of People" may not sell as many t-shirts.
posted by jcworth at 5:44 AM on May 23, 2013
Do people attend the bullfights and root for the bull? That seems really messed up. My only experience is seeing a snip sentence on the google news page from some incident some feed has chosen to make a news story out of and my reaction is almost always meh and I continue scanning down the page; but if you press me on the point I have to say that I would root for the bull.
posted by bukvich at 6:04 AM on May 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by bukvich at 6:04 AM on May 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
jcworth and others -- did you read the article? The event described is not a Spanish or Mexican bullfight. It's bull-riding, more or less a Rodeo. The goal is to not harm the bulls, since the original organizers could not afford to have their bulls harmed.
Now, one could easily make the argument that the event revolves around the bull's protestations at being ridden, therefore the animal is clearly refusing consent, and therefore bull-riding should be opposed, but repeatedly decrying the murder of bulls in a specifically non-bull-murdering event is evidence of failure to engage with the material being presented.
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:06 AM on May 23, 2013 [9 favorites]
Now, one could easily make the argument that the event revolves around the bull's protestations at being ridden, therefore the animal is clearly refusing consent, and therefore bull-riding should be opposed, but repeatedly decrying the murder of bulls in a specifically non-bull-murdering event is evidence of failure to engage with the material being presented.
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:06 AM on May 23, 2013 [9 favorites]
Killer toro? Did anyone else think that this would be an article about sushi?
just me then?
posted by leotrotsky at 6:29 AM on May 23, 2013 [5 favorites]
just me then?
posted by leotrotsky at 6:29 AM on May 23, 2013 [5 favorites]
Killer toro? Did anyone else think that this would be an article about sushi?
Not just you. I was expecting to learn of some bizarre fatty tuna/blowfish hybrid.
posted by TedW at 11:52 AM on May 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
Not just you. I was expecting to learn of some bizarre fatty tuna/blowfish hybrid.
posted by TedW at 11:52 AM on May 23, 2013 [1 favorite]
Nevertheless we do not call the murder of people sport, and it is inaccurate to call the murder of bulls sport
Except in the many cultures that did have blood sports. I guarantee that if we had fights to the death between condemned criminals many people would pay to watch them.
And again, animals aren't human, so the analogy falls apart.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 4:07 PM on May 23, 2013
Except in the many cultures that did have blood sports. I guarantee that if we had fights to the death between condemned criminals many people would pay to watch them.
And again, animals aren't human, so the analogy falls apart.
posted by Charlemagne In Sweatpants at 4:07 PM on May 23, 2013
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