I Love How You Love Me
June 22, 2010 1:45 PM Subscribe
Over the last few months, a YouTube user has been uploading individual tracks from a 1998 Elf Power/Neutral Milk Hotel concert at NYC's Knitting Factory.
Meanwhile, another individual has uploaded most of Jeff Mangum's solo set at Jittery Joe's (Previously). Unfortunately, there's no playlist, so you'll have to manually search his uploads for "Mangum".
Meanwhile, another individual has uploaded most of Jeff Mangum's solo set at Jittery Joe's (Previously). Unfortunately, there's no playlist, so you'll have to manually search his uploads for "Mangum".
griphus: “Unfortunately, there's no playlist, so you'll have to manually search his uploads for "Mangum".”
I've never heard of this dude, and so far I'm not really into it, but let's do this right, shall we? I don't know what the track order is, but these are the songs:
Engine
A Baby For Pree/Glow
Naomi
Gardenhead
I Love How You Love Me
Two Headed Boy part II
Two Headed Boy
Jesus Christ / Up and Over We Go
posted by koeselitz at 2:07 PM on June 22, 2010 [5 favorites]
I've never heard of this dude, and so far I'm not really into it, but let's do this right, shall we? I don't know what the track order is, but these are the songs:
Engine
A Baby For Pree/Glow
Naomi
Gardenhead
I Love How You Love Me
Two Headed Boy part II
Two Headed Boy
Jesus Christ / Up and Over We Go
posted by koeselitz at 2:07 PM on June 22, 2010 [5 favorites]
(Oops - I may not know the track order, but obviously "Two Headed Boy part II" should probably go after "Two Headed Boy." Sorry.)
posted by koeselitz at 2:09 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by koeselitz at 2:09 PM on June 22, 2010
...I have absolutely no idea why I didn't think of that. Thanks.
posted by griphus at 2:10 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by griphus at 2:10 PM on June 22, 2010
(You didn't think of it, probably, because Youtube's interface/linking is atrocious. You can't just go to the videos the way you had them to get those links. The only way to get unique per-video links from videos on an individual's profile like that is to go to each video and click the tiny "View comments, related videos, and more" link. No, it doesn't make any damned sense, but I think Youtube wants to encourage people not to leave these profile pages for some reason. Note to Youtube: sense-making with the internet is preferred.)
posted by koeselitz at 2:15 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by koeselitz at 2:15 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
(Also, I'm pretty sure I have the order of the tracks exactly backwards up above there.)
posted by koeselitz at 2:16 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by koeselitz at 2:16 PM on June 22, 2010
koeselitz, thanks for your help. I don't recommend making this your introduction to NMH, but I'd listen to a copy of In The Aeroplane Over The Sea, then On Avery Island, then settle down for some mourning that there isn't any more where that came from.
posted by imperium at 2:16 PM on June 22, 2010 [10 favorites]
posted by imperium at 2:16 PM on June 22, 2010 [10 favorites]
Pretty inspired FPP-positioning, on purpose or not.
Baby cooing during "Engine" qualifies as a magical moment.
posted by NolanRyanHatesMatches at 2:17 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
Baby cooing during "Engine" qualifies as a magical moment.
posted by NolanRyanHatesMatches at 2:17 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
Yeah, I've heard of Neutral Milk Hotel, but I've always avoided them solely because they have a hideously awful band name. But that's really no reason to avoid a band ("Beatles," right?) so I should give them a try. I will check that album out on your recommendation, imperium. Thanks.
posted by koeselitz at 2:18 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by koeselitz at 2:18 PM on June 22, 2010
Pretty inspired FPP-positioning, on purpose or not.
Totally on purpose. I was going to drop an offhanded "Holland, 1945" reference in the thread, decided to link to a video just in case, realized this set has never been posted here and, well, there you go.
posted by griphus at 2:18 PM on June 22, 2010
Totally on purpose. I was going to drop an offhanded "Holland, 1945" reference in the thread, decided to link to a video just in case, realized this set has never been posted here and, well, there you go.
posted by griphus at 2:18 PM on June 22, 2010
God, what a great performance that Jittery Joe's show must have been. Thanks for the post (and the expansion on the content, koeselitz).
posted by Pantengliopoli at 2:20 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by Pantengliopoli at 2:20 PM on June 22, 2010
holy shit they made that noise in King of Carrot Flowers Pt II by drawing a bow across the banjo! worth it just for finding that out.
posted by shmegegge at 2:28 PM on June 22, 2010 [3 favorites]
posted by shmegegge at 2:28 PM on June 22, 2010 [3 favorites]
I've got a copy of Live at Jittery Joe's. The track list is as here. The CD also has a really wobbly video of much of the show.
I saw them in Manchester when they played with Sparklehorse - in about 1996 I think. Finest thing I've ever witnessed.
posted by le morte de bea arthur at 2:29 PM on June 22, 2010
I saw them in Manchester when they played with Sparklehorse - in about 1996 I think. Finest thing I've ever witnessed.
posted by le morte de bea arthur at 2:29 PM on June 22, 2010
now all we need is for someone to post video of mangum's recent concert. YOU HEAR ME, INTERNET?! GET ON IT!
posted by shmegegge at 2:30 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by shmegegge at 2:30 PM on June 22, 2010
Yeah, I've heard of Neutral Milk Hotel, but I've always avoided them solely because they have a hideously awful band name. But that's really no reason to avoid a band ("Beatles," right?) so I should give them a try. I will check that album out on your recommendation, imperium. Thanks.
That was me about two years ago. I'd heard of NMH, but never heard them, and didn't understand the level of praise they got here on MeFi. I finally broke down and gave ITAOTS a listen, and became an instant convert. For a few weeks I listened to t'hat disk over and over constantly and my then-girlfriend (now wife) got hooked as well. On Avery Island' is a different beast but just as powerful and awe-inspiring.
So I guess I owe thanks to MeFi for turning me on to this, and if you all have any other suggestions of great music that may have slipped under my radar...I'm all ears.
posted by rocket88 at 2:30 PM on June 22, 2010 [2 favorites]
That was me about two years ago. I'd heard of NMH, but never heard them, and didn't understand the level of praise they got here on MeFi. I finally broke down and gave ITAOTS a listen, and became an instant convert. For a few weeks I listened to t'hat disk over and over constantly and my then-girlfriend (now wife) got hooked as well. On Avery Island' is a different beast but just as powerful and awe-inspiring.
So I guess I owe thanks to MeFi for turning me on to this, and if you all have any other suggestions of great music that may have slipped under my radar...I'm all ears.
posted by rocket88 at 2:30 PM on June 22, 2010 [2 favorites]
Okay, considering koesleitz put more effort into my FPP than I did, here are the individual tracks for the Elf Power/NMH set.
Elf Power
Grand Intrusion Call
The Secret Ocean
Simon (The Bird With The Candy Bar Head)
Temporary Arm
The Arrow Flies Close
The Separating Fault
NMH
Two-Headed Boy
April 8th
Oh Comely
The King of Carrot Flowers (Pts. 2 and 3)
Naomi (Abridged)
Ghost
Song Against Sex
Rubby Bulbs
posted by griphus at 2:31 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
Elf Power
Grand Intrusion Call
The Secret Ocean
Simon (The Bird With The Candy Bar Head)
Temporary Arm
The Arrow Flies Close
The Separating Fault
NMH
Two-Headed Boy
April 8th
Oh Comely
The King of Carrot Flowers (Pts. 2 and 3)
Naomi (Abridged)
Ghost
Song Against Sex
Rubby Bulbs
posted by griphus at 2:31 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
You can't just go to the videos the way you had them to get those links
Click on the time in the lower right to go straight to the watch page. Clicking on the main image plays it on the channel page, but clicking on the lower right of the thumbnail, where the time is displayed, will do what you want.
(I just code here, I don't do UI design :) )
posted by wildcrdj at 2:36 PM on June 22, 2010 [6 favorites]
Click on the time in the lower right to go straight to the watch page. Clicking on the main image plays it on the channel page, but clicking on the lower right of the thumbnail, where the time is displayed, will do what you want.
(I just code here, I don't do UI design :) )
posted by wildcrdj at 2:36 PM on June 22, 2010 [6 favorites]
'Oh Comely' is maybe the best thing.
posted by shakespeherian at 2:39 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by shakespeherian at 2:39 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
Well, shit, there goes Tuesday evening. I was just listening to In the Aeroplane... for about the 67,000th time the other day in the car, with all those lovely moments where it makes you temporarily forget how to breathe.
posted by FelliniBlank at 2:55 PM on June 22, 2010 [5 favorites]
posted by FelliniBlank at 2:55 PM on June 22, 2010 [5 favorites]
We saw them on this tour, in Providence. A small venue but pretty packed and everyone on their feet. Cool to see the set again.
koeselitz, my experience with NMH is that much of it is pretty ok the first time you hear it but if you set up a scenario where you hear the songs several times then they become addictive, I think because of Mangum's unreal ability to sing and sing without ever inhaling. From On Avery Island, the faves are Gardenhead and Song Against Sex. Then In the Aeroplane is a whole album that hangs together.
posted by LobsterMitten at 3:12 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
koeselitz, my experience with NMH is that much of it is pretty ok the first time you hear it but if you set up a scenario where you hear the songs several times then they become addictive, I think because of Mangum's unreal ability to sing and sing without ever inhaling. From On Avery Island, the faves are Gardenhead and Song Against Sex. Then In the Aeroplane is a whole album that hangs together.
posted by LobsterMitten at 3:12 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
all those lovely moments where it makes you temporarily forget how to breathe.
That's a lovely and perfect way to put it.
posted by HumanComplex at 3:13 PM on June 22, 2010
That's a lovely and perfect way to put it.
posted by HumanComplex at 3:13 PM on June 22, 2010
Well, I love this.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:25 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:25 PM on June 22, 2010
> in Manchester when they played with Sparklehorse - in about 1996 I think.
That was '98. I saw them a few days after in Glasgow.
posted by scruss at 3:30 PM on June 22, 2010
That was '98. I saw them a few days after in Glasgow.
posted by scruss at 3:30 PM on June 22, 2010
Whoa! I was at that show at the Knit. Not long before or after, I saw Neutral Milk Hotel play with Of Montreal, which was an off-the-charts awesome double-bill. I think I spent 87% of my disposable income on shows at that time.
posted by *s at 3:31 PM on June 22, 2010 [3 favorites]
posted by *s at 3:31 PM on June 22, 2010 [3 favorites]
now all we need is for someone to post video of mangum's recent concert. YOU HEAR ME, INTERNET?! GET ON IT!
or you could've just been there
B)
posted by defenestration at 3:34 PM on June 22, 2010
or you could've just been there
B)
posted by defenestration at 3:34 PM on June 22, 2010
Yay! You just made my day!
posted by anoirmarie at 3:34 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by anoirmarie at 3:34 PM on June 22, 2010
Ah, yeah - listening to some of In The Airplane, I've heard this before various places. A friend of mine played this for me once, I think. It's pretty memorable, anyway. I remember thinking there was some really poignant and great stuff in that first song and a half, and then I had no clue what to do with "I love you, Jesus Christ!" Still don't, really, although honestly I've only really heard this twice, so it probably needs more listening.
It's odd, because lately I can't listen to anything involving guitars, (except maybe this, which I listen to obsessively). It's like I'm dead to all forms of rock music. Maybe I'll come back around at some point; I don't know. All I can listen to anymore is techno, house, and old-style jazz. Which is weird for me, because I'd really liked rock music for as long as I can remember.
Anyway, I'll hold on to this in my mind, and give it a try again later. Thanks for the recommendations, everybody.
posted by koeselitz at 3:35 PM on June 22, 2010
It's odd, because lately I can't listen to anything involving guitars, (except maybe this, which I listen to obsessively). It's like I'm dead to all forms of rock music. Maybe I'll come back around at some point; I don't know. All I can listen to anymore is techno, house, and old-style jazz. Which is weird for me, because I'd really liked rock music for as long as I can remember.
Anyway, I'll hold on to this in my mind, and give it a try again later. Thanks for the recommendations, everybody.
posted by koeselitz at 3:35 PM on June 22, 2010
or you could've just been there
I just had to Google and holy mother of god how the fuck did I miss that show? HULK MAD.
posted by griphus at 3:37 PM on June 22, 2010
I just had to Google and holy mother of god how the fuck did I miss that show? HULK MAD.
posted by griphus at 3:37 PM on June 22, 2010
I always took the "Jesus Christ" as an exclamation rather than a love object.
posted by *s at 3:38 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by *s at 3:38 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
...and then I had no clue what to do with "I love you, Jesus Christ!"
If I wasn't in a "oh well I'll just let it play" mood at a bus stop the first time I heard Aeroplane I probably would have cut out at that moment as well. It's one of those moments akin to a band throwing in a track of pure noise right around track 2 or 3: either you "get" it (I honestly have no idea what to make of the Jesus Christ stuff either and I've heard the album more times than I can count) or you just let it be and keep going.
posted by griphus at 3:40 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
If I wasn't in a "oh well I'll just let it play" mood at a bus stop the first time I heard Aeroplane I probably would have cut out at that moment as well. It's one of those moments akin to a band throwing in a track of pure noise right around track 2 or 3: either you "get" it (I honestly have no idea what to make of the Jesus Christ stuff either and I've heard the album more times than I can count) or you just let it be and keep going.
posted by griphus at 3:40 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
He writes about the Jesus Christ thing in the liner notes. In what I remember as rambling incoherence, he explains that he didn't actually mean Jesus Christ as Jesus Christ but rather as some light that emanates from all of us and connects us or something like that. I also remember him being self-deprecating about it.
posted by defenestration at 3:43 PM on June 22, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by defenestration at 3:43 PM on June 22, 2010 [2 favorites]
From the 5/6/10 Show at the Christ Knox Benefit at Le Poisson Rouge in NYC
Oh Comely
A Baby For Pree
Where You'll Find Me
Two-Headed Boy Pt. 2
In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
Apparently he played "Engine" as an encore but I can't find it anywhere.
posted by griphus at 3:48 PM on June 22, 2010 [4 favorites]
Oh Comely
A Baby For Pree
Where You'll Find Me
Two-Headed Boy Pt. 2
In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
Apparently he played "Engine" as an encore but I can't find it anywhere.
posted by griphus at 3:48 PM on June 22, 2010 [4 favorites]
Apparently he played "Engine" as an encore but I can't find it anywhere.
Completely paraphrasing:
Mangum: Do you guys know Engine?
Everyone: YES.
Mangum: I'm gonna play that. Feel free to sing along.
Up until this point, people were somewhat hesitant to sing along. The first couple songs were played to a mostly silent, reverent room.
posted by defenestration at 3:55 PM on June 22, 2010
Completely paraphrasing:
Mangum: Do you guys know Engine?
Everyone: YES.
Mangum: I'm gonna play that. Feel free to sing along.
Up until this point, people were somewhat hesitant to sing along. The first couple songs were played to a mostly silent, reverent room.
posted by defenestration at 3:55 PM on June 22, 2010
I saw the show at the Middle East upstairs the day after this NYC show (assuming this list of shows is correct). Before the show Jeff Magnum bummed a cigarette off a friend I was with, though we didn't realize who he was until he went on stage. It was thoroughly awesome.
posted by banjo_and_the_pork at 4:30 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by banjo_and_the_pork at 4:30 PM on June 22, 2010
Great post; thank you for that. I drool like a baby over anything Mangum/NMH.
(In The Aeroplane Over The Sea is my favorite album. Damn, it's just so good.)
posted by heyho at 4:54 PM on June 22, 2010
(In The Aeroplane Over The Sea is my favorite album. Damn, it's just so good.)
posted by heyho at 4:54 PM on June 22, 2010
If someone has a recommendation on a place to upload them, I have thirteen NMH live show bootlegs of varying quality to share.
posted by defenestration at 5:40 PM on June 22, 2010 [5 favorites]
posted by defenestration at 5:40 PM on June 22, 2010 [5 favorites]
He writes about the Jesus Christ thing in the liner notes. In what I remember as rambling incoherence, he explains that he didn't actually mean Jesus Christ as Jesus Christ but rather as some light that emanates from all of us and connects us or something like that. I also remember him being self-deprecating about it.
Hold on, will run and get my liner notes . . .
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 6:00 PM on June 22, 2010
Hold on, will run and get my liner notes . . .
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 6:00 PM on June 22, 2010
"a song for an old friend and a song for a new friend and now a song for jesus christ and since this seems to confuse people i'd like to simply say that i mean what i sing although the theme of endless endless on this album is not based on any religion but more in the belief that all things seem to contain a white light within them that i see as eternal"
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 6:03 PM on June 22, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 6:03 PM on June 22, 2010 [2 favorites]
Also, damn that was some tiny type.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 6:06 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 6:06 PM on June 22, 2010
Thanks PhoB, never noticed that before!
posted by futureisunwritten at 6:40 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by futureisunwritten at 6:40 PM on June 22, 2010
Love. Delirium. Triumph!
Everything you'd expect.
The only thing I really have to add to this conversation (aside from more thanks for griphus for pointing this out) is...
Man, Jeremy Barnes is a madman on those drums, huh?
posted by Rumpled at 7:32 PM on June 22, 2010
Everything you'd expect.
The only thing I really have to add to this conversation (aside from more thanks for griphus for pointing this out) is...
Man, Jeremy Barnes is a madman on those drums, huh?
posted by Rumpled at 7:32 PM on June 22, 2010
Yes! Yes! Awesome! YES!
posted by rachaelfaith at 8:14 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by rachaelfaith at 8:14 PM on June 22, 2010 [1 favorite]
I hope they played, and this person will eventually upload, "Holland 1945".
posted by rachaelfaith at 8:15 PM on June 22, 2010
posted by rachaelfaith at 8:15 PM on June 22, 2010
I always took the "Jesus Christ" as an exclamation rather than a love object.
I think, sir/madam, you just summarized (a key turning point in?) the history of the evolution of Christianity, at least the salient points.
posted by joe lisboa at 9:18 PM on June 22, 2010
I think, sir/madam, you just summarized (a key turning point in?) the history of the evolution of Christianity, at least the salient points.
posted by joe lisboa at 9:18 PM on June 22, 2010
all things seem to contain a white light within them that i see as eternal
My five-year-old has started to ask a lot of questions about what happens after we die. Now I've got a tight, honest answer for her. One more thing, then, to thank Jeff Mangum for, from the bottom of my heart, if the fucker would just come back and assume his rightful place as the elder statesman of indie singer-songwriting already.
posted by gompa at 10:22 PM on June 22, 2010
My five-year-old has started to ask a lot of questions about what happens after we die. Now I've got a tight, honest answer for her. One more thing, then, to thank Jeff Mangum for, from the bottom of my heart, if the fucker would just come back and assume his rightful place as the elder statesman of indie singer-songwriting already.
posted by gompa at 10:22 PM on June 22, 2010
That Pitchfork interview from an earlier thread has me crying about him trying to go back in a time machine and save Anne Frank in his dreams.
posted by theredpen at 6:45 AM on June 23, 2010
posted by theredpen at 6:45 AM on June 23, 2010
If someone has a recommendation on a place to upload them, I have thirteen NMH live show bootlegs of varying quality to share.
Do you have a dropbox account?
posted by griphus at 6:46 AM on June 23, 2010
Do you have a dropbox account?
posted by griphus at 6:46 AM on June 23, 2010
The 'live at the aquarius' bootleg (linked here, above) is my favorite NMH bootleg. The 'Oh, Sister' song is magnificent; I'm known to play it on my ukulele from time to time.
posted by kaibutsu at 7:06 AM on June 23, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by kaibutsu at 7:06 AM on June 23, 2010 [1 favorite]
Thanks for the post, and great timing! I just finished Kim Cooper's loving tribute to In The Aeroplane Over The Sea as part of the 33 1/3 series. Whether you've loved your CD down to the foil or don't know much and are curious about the album/band, it's highly recommended.
Most of the 33 1/3 books are great, but this is definitely my favorite thus far by a wide margin.
posted by SpiffyRob at 7:22 AM on June 23, 2010
Most of the 33 1/3 books are great, but this is definitely my favorite thus far by a wide margin.
posted by SpiffyRob at 7:22 AM on June 23, 2010
did anyone here in nyc make into the benifit show mangum played last month? it sold out in about 6 minutes...
posted by nathancaswell at 7:45 AM on June 23, 2010
posted by nathancaswell at 7:45 AM on June 23, 2010
oh i guess defenstration got in...
posted by nathancaswell at 7:46 AM on June 23, 2010
posted by nathancaswell at 7:46 AM on June 23, 2010
Do you have a dropbox account?
Not yet, but I'll sign up later tonight and upload the goods.
did anyone here in nyc make into the benifit show mangum played last month? it sold out in about 6 minutes...
oh i guess defenstration got in...
Yeah, it was amazing. A great show overall. I never thought I'd get to see Jeff Mangum perform.
posted by defenestration at 8:56 AM on June 23, 2010
Not yet, but I'll sign up later tonight and upload the goods.
did anyone here in nyc make into the benifit show mangum played last month? it sold out in about 6 minutes...
oh i guess defenstration got in...
Yeah, it was amazing. A great show overall. I never thought I'd get to see Jeff Mangum perform.
posted by defenestration at 8:56 AM on June 23, 2010
Yeah, it was amazing. A great show overall. I never thought I'd get to see Jeff Mangum perform.
I kind of wondered if he was going to do actual songs or just noodle around with gypsy field recordings or something.
posted by nathancaswell at 9:26 AM on June 23, 2010
I kind of wondered if he was going to do actual songs or just noodle around with gypsy field recordings or something.
posted by nathancaswell at 9:26 AM on June 23, 2010
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