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posted by rlk at 1:29 PM on March 7, 2018 [2 favorites]
posted by rlk at 1:29 PM on March 7, 2018 [2 favorites]
Trump is not Dukat. Dukat had a long career of military and government service, an appreciation for subtlety and nuance in the baroque game of politics, and an ability to charm. If anything, Trump is that whiny klingon kid the Duras sisters used as the figurehead to distract people while they sold out their empire to the Romulans.
posted by Jon_Evil at 1:49 PM on March 7, 2018 [18 favorites]
posted by Jon_Evil at 1:49 PM on March 7, 2018 [18 favorites]
Trump is not Dukat.
Dukat exploited countless workers and made their lives miserable, and sexually exploited women, all the while insisting to anyone who would listen that he was a great guy. So, yeah, actually.
posted by Halloween Jack at 2:55 PM on March 7, 2018 [6 favorites]
Dukat exploited countless workers and made their lives miserable, and sexually exploited women, all the while insisting to anyone who would listen that he was a great guy. So, yeah, actually.
posted by Halloween Jack at 2:55 PM on March 7, 2018 [6 favorites]
If Trump can be compared to any character in a Star Trek show, I'd think it should be Harcourt Fenton Mudd (disclaimer: I haven't seen his appearances in STDiscovery, so there may have been retconning). But then, there's a piece of STD merchandise that directly associates Lorca with #45...
posted by oneswellfoop at 5:34 PM on March 7, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by oneswellfoop at 5:34 PM on March 7, 2018 [1 favorite]
What, you don't see Trump as a Ferengi?
posted by Kirth Gerson at 6:22 PM on March 7, 2018 [1 favorite]
posted by Kirth Gerson at 6:22 PM on March 7, 2018 [1 favorite]
Ferengi have standards.
posted by zarq at 6:32 PM on March 7, 2018 [7 favorites]
posted by zarq at 6:32 PM on March 7, 2018 [7 favorites]
First season Ferengi maybe. Before they figured out what to do with them.
But my first choice would be the flying single cell creatures from Operation--Annihilate! that hang squeaking on the walls until they sudenly fly off, slap into you, and make you go violently insane.
posted by Naberius at 7:28 PM on March 7, 2018 [2 favorites]
But my first choice would be the flying single cell creatures from Operation--Annihilate! that hang squeaking on the walls until they sudenly fly off, slap into you, and make you go violently insane.
posted by Naberius at 7:28 PM on March 7, 2018 [2 favorites]
if i recall correctly, dukat had feelings, like when his daughter died and he went nuts. i think the only thing trump's ever cried over was a cheezburger he dropped.
posted by wibari at 8:45 PM on March 7, 2018
posted by wibari at 8:45 PM on March 7, 2018
dukat had feelings, like when his daughter died and he went nuts.
The Ziyal thing is debatable as to whether it was really because she died, or because Sisko & Co. had just thrown Dukat's and the Dominion's plans for conquering the Alpha Quadrant into a cocked hat. Dukat probably loved his daughter on some level, but he had also previously threatened to kill her because she was politically embarrassing, more than once IIRC. (I want to be clear that it's not even that I hate Dukat--he makes for a great villain, and fits in the setting and complements the other characters perfectly--but that there is a small but irritating segment of Trek/DS9 fandom that genuinely thinks he's a great guy, all the evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. You know, just like Cheeto Benito.)
posted by Halloween Jack at 7:17 AM on March 8, 2018
The Ziyal thing is debatable as to whether it was really because she died, or because Sisko & Co. had just thrown Dukat's and the Dominion's plans for conquering the Alpha Quadrant into a cocked hat. Dukat probably loved his daughter on some level, but he had also previously threatened to kill her because she was politically embarrassing, more than once IIRC. (I want to be clear that it's not even that I hate Dukat--he makes for a great villain, and fits in the setting and complements the other characters perfectly--but that there is a small but irritating segment of Trek/DS9 fandom that genuinely thinks he's a great guy, all the evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. You know, just like Cheeto Benito.)
posted by Halloween Jack at 7:17 AM on March 8, 2018
If Trump can be compared to any character in a Star Trek show, I'd think it should be Harcourt Fenton Mudd
first of all how dare you
Harry Mudd still had more charm in one pinky finger than Trump could ever hope to achieve in a lifetime.
posted by XtinaS at 11:12 AM on March 8, 2018 [1 favorite]
first of all how dare you
Harry Mudd still had more charm in one pinky finger than Trump could ever hope to achieve in a lifetime.
posted by XtinaS at 11:12 AM on March 8, 2018 [1 favorite]
jcreigh, I apologize, but this comment does contain spoilers. As do a couple of comments above this one.
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The Ziyal thing is debatable
Dukat was always the hero in his own eyes and Marc Alaimo played him as a quasi-heroic, tragic figure, blind to his own flaws and justifying any atrocities he committed. Which is one of the reasons why he was such a deep, well-realized character. It made episodes like "Waltz" so compelling. Another actor might have taken Dukat's scenes towards the end of the episode into awful, 'campy' territory. Instead, they're genuinely chilling to watch.
But this, from "Sacrifice of Angels": "We'll go back to Cardassia, Ziyal. We'll be safe there. You'll live with me. Everything will be fine. We'll both be very happy together. I know you forgive me. After all, I am your father and I forgive you." [voice cracking] "My precious girl."
...was genuinely moving, I think. Perhaps the final straw for his sanity? In his own mind, he loved her.
Completely off subject....
Three actresses played Ziyal on the show. The third and last was Melanie Smith, who also played Jerry's girlfriend Rachel in the infamous Seinfeld episode "The Hamptons." She's the one who walks in on George when he has his "shrinkage" issue.
posted by zarq at 11:27 AM on March 8, 2018 [2 favorites]
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The Ziyal thing is debatable
Dukat was always the hero in his own eyes and Marc Alaimo played him as a quasi-heroic, tragic figure, blind to his own flaws and justifying any atrocities he committed. Which is one of the reasons why he was such a deep, well-realized character. It made episodes like "Waltz" so compelling. Another actor might have taken Dukat's scenes towards the end of the episode into awful, 'campy' territory. Instead, they're genuinely chilling to watch.
But this, from "Sacrifice of Angels": "We'll go back to Cardassia, Ziyal. We'll be safe there. You'll live with me. Everything will be fine. We'll both be very happy together. I know you forgive me. After all, I am your father and I forgive you." [voice cracking] "My precious girl."
...was genuinely moving, I think. Perhaps the final straw for his sanity? In his own mind, he loved her.
Completely off subject....
Three actresses played Ziyal on the show. The third and last was Melanie Smith, who also played Jerry's girlfriend Rachel in the infamous Seinfeld episode "The Hamptons." She's the one who walks in on George when he has his "shrinkage" issue.
posted by zarq at 11:27 AM on March 8, 2018 [2 favorites]
small but irritating segment of Trek/DS9 fandom that genuinely thinks he's a great guy
totally, i agree with you. i wasnt trying to say that. it's just my natural instinct to find pretty much anyone (real or fictional) more sympathetic than trump.
posted by wibari at 2:11 PM on March 8, 2018
totally, i agree with you. i wasnt trying to say that. it's just my natural instinct to find pretty much anyone (real or fictional) more sympathetic than trump.
posted by wibari at 2:11 PM on March 8, 2018
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