“I think Nick Fury just hijacked our summer vacation,”
January 15, 2019 9:03 AM   Subscribe

 
Ok but really, who is that guy?
posted by GuyZero at 9:17 AM on January 15, 2019


Mysterio??
posted by Made of Star Stuff at 9:18 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


Yep, Mysterio.

I had to post a guess and then go look it up so I can prove to my husband that I still have Marvel cred even when it's outside the X-Men.
posted by Made of Star Stuff at 9:19 AM on January 15, 2019 [8 favorites]


I think the villain is Mysterio, who looks to my (non-Marvel knowledgeable) eye to be some kind of mix between Thor and Dr. Strange as opposed to the Thor/Iron Man combo the trailer suggests
posted by nubs at 9:19 AM on January 15, 2019


Sure seems like Mysterio. He's got a fishbowl on his head in one shot.
posted by wabbittwax at 9:20 AM on January 15, 2019 [5 favorites]


At one point in the trailer he has his trademark fishbowl helmet on, so all the actual comic book nerds watching can feel good about ourselves for recognising that.
posted by MartinWisse at 9:20 AM on January 15, 2019 [10 favorites]


I think Flash has a thing for Peter and Spiderman and boy would his mind be blown to learn they're the same person.
posted by guiseroom at 9:21 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


It works every time, MartinWisse.

"Ooh I knew that! I'm so good at comics!"
posted by Made of Star Stuff at 9:22 AM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


Speaking of Flash, I haven't seen any of the latest round of Spider-Man movies yet, but I like how its supporting cast isn't anywhere near as whitebread as the original comics were.
posted by MartinWisse at 9:23 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


I like that this Spider-Man franchise has a bunch of supporting characters that I enjoyed enough the first time that I'm glad to see them again: all of Peter's classmates, Aunt May, Happy Hogan, and now Nick Fury is all up in this motherfucker. It's an ensemble. I like ensembles.
posted by wabbittwax at 9:24 AM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


I'm looking forward to the bit where he buys a kebab or meets some cheerful cockneys or something. (Though to be fair they did go easy on the redbustaxicabery but I suppose if you've got you're actual Tower Bridge front and centre for a big chunk of your trailer you don't really need it)
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 9:25 AM on January 15, 2019


Anyways, watched this with my oldest, who has decided it - along with all the other "theory" videos he's seen on YouTube - absolutely means the Avengers will totally undo everything about the Snapture in Endgame and that everything is going to be fine and all the heroes will be back.

For me, the absence of any Tony Stark here maybe says something different.
posted by nubs at 9:26 AM on January 15, 2019 [6 favorites]


MartinWisse - so far there's only one Spider-Man movie in "the latest round," and it's a total delight. You should see it.

(And yes, full range of "New-York-is-incredibly-diverse" cast, rather than "wow-New-York-sure-is-white" as we got in the first two franchises.)
posted by tzikeh at 9:28 AM on January 15, 2019 [5 favorites]


absolutely means the Avengers will totally undo everything about the Snapture in Endgame and that everything is going to be fine and all the heroes will be back.

For me, the absence of any Tony Stark here maybe says something different.


Yeah, undoing the Snapture is going to cost us a few main characters for sure. And I'm not just saying that because we know some contracts are up.
posted by tzikeh at 9:29 AM on January 15, 2019 [5 favorites]


This brings up so many questions. I assume this takes place after Avengers: Endgame. So this makes it look like everybody's back to life (except Tony probably). But do people remember that half of the universe died? Does Peter even remember going to another planet?
posted by wabbittwax at 9:30 AM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


Spider Man's rogues gallery is way better than Batman's. Batman has The Joker and then some also-rans. Spider Man has an old man who taught himself to fly because he wants to feel young again, a professor who let himself get carried away with his desire for human augmentation and can't control himself anymore, a guy who can sting with poison but can't handle people mocking him, Juggernaut, and a fucking special effects artist who decides to become a criminal mastermind AND DOES!

Spider Man villains for life.
posted by East14thTaco at 9:32 AM on January 15, 2019 [17 favorites]


In Infinity War, Peter Parker is on a school bus, we assume going to school, but maybe he's coming back from the airport following his school field trip to Europe.

What if this movie takes place right before Infinity War?
posted by guiseroom at 9:34 AM on January 15, 2019 [4 favorites]


The bus ride at the beginning of Infinity War is a field trip to MoMA. Spidey mentions it while either kicking ass or getting his ass kicked. I forget which.
posted by wabbittwax at 9:37 AM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


I was wondering if this chronologically is before IW. That would solve the spoilers issue.
posted by greermahoney at 9:38 AM on January 15, 2019


I haven’t seen the other Spider-Man movie, but I thought the Seinfeld rule was that if you have a series that is consistently in the same location, and then you suddenly take the characters out of that location, it defuses the show?
posted by gucci mane at 9:39 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


But do people remember that half of the universe died? Does Peter even remember going to another planet?

The undoing of the dusting is obvious, and has been all along. As for memory, your choices are:

1) Everybody who wasn't directly involved (hell, maybe some of them, too) forgets

2) Literally everyone in the universe has been through the horrific and personal tragedy of seeing loved ones die in a sudden random dusting and/or follow-on effects like plane crashes, disasters, etc., leading to lasting planet-wide trauma that would fundamentally change the lives of billions, or

3) The Earth of the MCU is now so blase about superhero nonsense that everyone basically blows off the whole thing as "that time some weird super-people shit happened."

I somehow suspect it's 1, which a lot of people will probably be used to from fantasy/sci-fi in general. Option 3 is also fairly common in the comic book world, but I'm not sure how well movie audiences would take to it.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 9:39 AM on January 15, 2019 [7 favorites]


> The bus ride at the beginning of Infinity War is a field trip to MoMA. Spidey mentions it while either kicking ass or getting his ass kicked. I forget which.

Obviously he's referring to the Museum of Mysterio Art.
posted by guiseroom at 9:39 AM on January 15, 2019 [10 favorites]


The passport issue date is 2016. This movie probably takes place before Infinity War.
posted by Made of Star Stuff at 9:39 AM on January 15, 2019 [7 favorites]


Which I'm fine with, for the record!! I really like interstitially retconned stories!
posted by Made of Star Stuff at 9:40 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


Perhaps from the titles of the two MCU Spider-Man movies, "Homecoming" followed by "Far From Home", we can deduce that cause and effect have completely fallen apart and time has no meaning anymore.
posted by ckape at 9:40 AM on January 15, 2019 [18 favorites]


One of the notes on the announcement of this movie back when (at the time "Untitled Spider-Man Movie") stated it began minutes after the end of Avengers 4.
posted by mephron at 9:41 AM on January 15, 2019


You guys know that the Infinity Gauntlet is a book available for purchase and explains all this, right?

They didn't kill Nebula for a reason.
posted by East14thTaco at 9:45 AM on January 15, 2019 [3 favorites]


You guys know that the Infinity Gauntlet is a book available for purchase and explains all this, right?

Yes, but given that Thanos did the Snapture for the sake of courting Death in the book, whereas in the MCU it was some weird Malthusian reasoning, I'm not going to 100% assume that things will resolve in the same way.
posted by nubs at 9:49 AM on January 15, 2019 [7 favorites]


I mean, do you mean the Earth 616 Infinity Gauntlet or like, a Marvel Cinematic Universe Infinity Gauntlet book? Yes, I know how things went in the comics, but Earth 616 Spiderman wouldn't have helped me guess anything about Earth 65 Gwen Stacey, you know? Into The Spiderverse really explains all this.
posted by Made of Star Stuff at 9:49 AM on January 15, 2019 [7 favorites]


Also, it would’ve been awesome if they had used Plastic Bertrand’s Ça Plane Pour Moi. Came out roughly the same time as I Wanna Be Sedated, too.
posted by gucci mane at 9:51 AM on January 15, 2019 [11 favorites]


Nebula will get the gauntlet and wish everything back to 24 hours ago which gives Thanos the gauntlet back but Captain Marvel is there to throw him into the soul stone. Thanos is happy with his fate.
posted by East14thTaco at 9:53 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


Batman has The Joker and then some also-rans.

How dare you say that about The Riddler, Scarecrow, Bane, Two-Face, Catwoman, and let's not forget Clayface, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Penguin, Crazy Quilt, Eraser, Polka-Dot Man, Mime, Tarantula, King Tut, Orca, Killer Moth, March Harriet, Zodiac Master, Gentlemen Ghost, Clock King, Calendar Man, Kite Man, Catman, Zebra-Man, and the Condiment King!
posted by ckape at 10:16 AM on January 15, 2019 [21 favorites]


How dare you say that about The Riddler, Scarecrow, Bane, Two-Face, Catwoman, and let's not forget Clayface, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Penguin, Crazy Quilt, Eraser, Polka-Dot Man, Mime, Tarantula, King Tut, Orca, Killer Moth, March Harriet, Zodiac Master, Gentlemen Ghost, Clock King, Calendar Man, Kite Man, Catman, Zebra-Man, and the Condiment King!

Yeah...for me, Condiment King never cut the mustard.
posted by the sobsister at 10:21 AM on January 15, 2019 [27 favorites]


Catman became kind of interesting in Secret Six, and oh my god I'm a nerd.
posted by kyrademon at 10:30 AM on January 15, 2019 [7 favorites]


Yeah...for me, Condiment King never cut the mustard.

I always relished his appearances.
posted by nubs at 10:32 AM on January 15, 2019 [20 favorites]


IMHO clearly this is taking place in an alternate timeline/universe, where the Snapture killed/spared the opposite people-- Spidey and Nick Fury didn't get dusted, but Stark, Thor, etc all did. And eventually Dr. Strange or someone will break into this alternate universe and everyone gets swapped around again. Everyone whose contracts are up will go into the 'other' universe to keep it safe, everyone who's still in will be in 'our' universe, cue David Tennant In The Rain tearful goodbye forever, gate between worlds close, roll credits.
posted by The otter lady at 10:32 AM on January 15, 2019 [5 favorites]


Kite Man

Hell yeah!
posted by Naberius at 10:35 AM on January 15, 2019 [4 favorites]


Yeah...for me, Condiment King never cut the mustard.

I always relished his appearances.


He first appeared round the time I stopped reading the series and I have never bothered to ketchup. Mayo assume from this that you recommend I do?
posted by ricochet biscuit at 10:45 AM on January 15, 2019 [5 favorites]


The real question is, will there a cameo from Yellow Dog ?
posted by cottoncandybeard at 10:51 AM on January 15, 2019


International trailer with an extra scene! And a less profane Flash Thompson and less pretty Peter.

Random bits to notice: The blonde girl getting friendly with Ned is credited on IMDB as Betty (Brant), but she's wearing Gwen Stacy's iconic hairband. Also, the water monster Mysterio is fighting (or Mysterio-fake "fighting") is totally the MCU version of the villain Hydro Man. A boat behind Ned has the name ASM 212; Amazing Spider-Man #212 marked the first appearance of Hydro Man. Time will tell if the dust monster is MCU Sandman.

Peter's passport* shows his birthday as August 10 (blank year), as clearly August babies are superior. Cough cough.

*Pretty Peter Parker picked a pack of plastic passports
posted by nicebookrack at 11:08 AM on January 15, 2019 [6 favorites]


The folks in charge of the MCU read the comics and know that a bunch of their audience has read the comics. They're not shy about taking elements of stories and characters from the comics but they purposefully don't just take anything whole cloth so as to give us comics nerds a dose of something familiar but also fresh and unpredictable. The only thing I'm sure of about the snapture is that it won't be resolved like it does in the comics.

That said, this movie is taking place after Spider-man: Homecoming but before Avengers: Infinity War. I know that the original plan was for it take place after A:IW but that plan must have changed.

He's not wearing the MK II Spider-suit that Tony summoned for him in A:IW and the trip is happening over summer vacation. I'm betting that after the events of the movie we'll see him heading back home for the start of the school year and probably a after-credits scene where they're loading up for a field trip to MOMA. I watched the trailer again and didn't hear any references to that trip so I'm pretty sure this is set just before A:IW.
posted by VTX at 11:09 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


One way or another I'm glad that we finally have an MCU movie which is in need of a classic 1960s Marvel Comics-style

* This flick takes place before/after the events of Avengers: Infinity War (2018), true believers! — Smilin' Kev Feige

editorial footnote.
posted by qntm at 11:10 AM on January 15, 2019 [10 favorites]


Oh you guys. Condiment King is the nemesis of Bratman, not Batman.

And Reuben.
posted by chavenet at 11:17 AM on January 15, 2019 [21 favorites]


I don't like the red/black suit. Miles Morales gets the black/red suit. Peter Parker should stick with red/blue.
posted by nushustu at 11:20 AM on January 15, 2019 [3 favorites]


*ahem*

- "Spider Man's rogues gallery is way better than Batman's. Batman has The Joker and then some also-rans." Au contraire, mon frère. You have to understand that they're from different eras and sensibilities and reflect their influences strongly. Batman is a Victorian gothic hero who fights Depression-era mobster-influenced villains, which in turn borrow heavily from Chester Gould's Dick Tracy rogues gallery, with its mobster-allusion-heavy types such as Flattop and Pruneface (following in the steps of "Scarface" Capone and Pretty Boy Floyd). Tracy fights them with a teen sidekick and a whole bunch of advanced gadgets. Spider-Man, on the other hand, is a creepy-animal-based hero who fights a bunch of villains who are either likewise animal-based (Doctor Octopus, The Lizard, The Vulture, The Scorpion, The Jackal), mad scientists (Doc Ock again, The Green Goblin, The Lizard again, The Jackal again) and a few who don't fall into those categories. This was just after Marvel had started doing superheroes again after years of getting by in other genres such as horror and mad science; one of their premiere artists of that era was Spidey co-creator Steve Ditko. The division isn't that clear-cut always; The Kingpin could have easily fit in the Dick Tracy-esque Batman rogues gallery, and Batman also had Killer Croc.

- I'm not assuming that Tony isn't showing up because he died, or that the other characters whose actors' contracts are up are going to die either. They might retire; this was already lampshaded with Tony's first scene in Infinity War with Pepper. It's suggested at the end of the first Avengers movie that Cap is headed out on his motorcycle to see America, but we don't know for a fact that he actually did that, so maybe that's what he'll do this time. (That was done in the comics, in Mark Gruenwald's run, IIRC.) And there's also a comics storyline in which Thor and the Asgardians are reincarnated (in Oklahoma, of all places) post-Ragnarok. That would be one way of rebooting those movies, and also of recasting if any of the old cast wants out.

- I'm not putting bets on how exactly the Snapture gets undone. Yes, Nebula is still around, but they've already hugely remixed the comics canon for so many things, and I get the feeling that whoever picks up the Gauntlet next isn't going to last long. I kinda like Nebula, and want her to end up on Earth and be this cyberpunk edgelady.

- You know who I really want to see, if not in Endgame then sometime soon in Phase 4? Nova. Like, Rhomann Dey (John C. Reilly in a surprise cameo, ladies and germs, how cool would that be?) comes in his big honkin' starship for revenge on Tall, Purple and Ugly, but gets whacked, and before he dies transfers his powers (in the comics, the Nova Corps has powers) to some random human. I would dig that so hard. TPTB are being super-coy about it, which tells you something.
posted by Halloween Jack at 11:21 AM on January 15, 2019 [5 favorites]


a field trip to MOMA. I watched the trailer again and didn't hear any references to that trip

Meh, a school field trip to Europe would be a MUCH bigger deal for NYC high school kids than a day trip by bus to MOMA, which is right there in the city. In Spider-Man: Homecoming, Peter goes on an overnight field trip (out of state!) to Washington D.C. with his academic decathlon team, and that field trip isn't mentioned in this trailer either.

IIRC Peter attends a flashy magnet school, which probably has a bigger budget for field trips than your typical public school. (Headcanon that Tony Stark mysteriously became a major school donor after Peter enrolled.) But eventually students are going to start wondering "Why does Spider-Man show up on so many of our school field trips, but never at, like, our state choir competitions?"
posted by nicebookrack at 11:23 AM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


BREAKING: YouTube autocaptions render "Nick Fury" as "Unique Theory."
posted by Iridic at 11:24 AM on January 15, 2019 [11 favorites]


Suitcase monogrammed 'BFP' -- he's bringing his Uncle Ben's suitcase.
posted by WCityMike at 11:28 AM on January 15, 2019 [8 favorites]


To lend some credence to Twitterer jezzerzeus and Made of Star Stuff, they've digitally removed the years from the teaser now.
posted by WCityMike at 11:29 AM on January 15, 2019


Given that Peter actually gets wet while fighting the big water figure, it's not one of Mysterio's illusions. So does that mean we have Crusher Creel, the Absorbing Man, on screen? Sure, he's a Thor villain, but they're sort of out of Thor movies now, so...
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:30 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


1) Everybody who wasn't directly involved (hell, maybe some of them, too) forgets

Not so much forgets as it never happens.

Here's what I think:

Ant-Man and Wasp confirms that the Quantum Realm is outside time and space, and that he probably would have been dusted were it not for his excursion into it at the time of the snap.

Set photos of Endgame show Avengers sporting on their gloves some sort of circular device reminiscent of Ant-Man's regulator.

Endgame trailer ends with Ant-Man being a surprise to Cap and Widow, and that he IS IMPORTANT.

Something timey wimey is going to happen and life goes on for Peter Parker, who never gets off that bus and heads to Europe. It's possible that NO ONE will remember what happened except for Dr. Strange, who explains why Steve Rogers and Tony Stark are no longer around.
posted by linux at 11:31 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


I see Spidey’s out to solve Europe’s pressing issues, like Brexit and the sinking of Venice. Maybe he’ll bust some gilettes jaunes and stop Catalonia from leaving Spain and force Italy to accept refugees on rafts &c &c
posted by chavenet at 11:31 AM on January 15, 2019


Miles Morales gets the black/red suit. Peter Parker should stick with red/blue.

Peter's red/black suit here appears to be based on the Superior Spider-Man suit from 2013, which I hope is not foreshadowing the appearance of Superior Spidey / Otto Octavius, because I HATE HIM. But I agree that Peter should stick to red & blue and Mikes wears black & red much better. Red & black Peter Parker Spider-People tend to be a lot more murderous.
posted by nicebookrack at 11:32 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


The wikipedia entry for the film says that they're battling The Elementals, so that's Hydron, not Hydro-Man. We also get a brief look at Hellfire and a longer one at Magnum (not Sandman.)
posted by me3dia at 11:34 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


So does that mean we have Crusher Creel, the Absorbing Man, on screen?

He was in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. where -- spoiler, if you care -- I think he gets killed by Graviton.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 11:38 AM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


Crusher Creel's storyarc on Agents of SHIELD was surprisingly sympathetic, but I doubt they'd have been free to use Absorbing Man on live action TV as recently as last year if Marvel/Sony had been planning to use him for live action Spidey 2. And there are probably complicated contractual rules for which non-Spidey-affiliated characters Sony is allowed to use.
posted by nicebookrack at 11:55 AM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


This live-action spin-off of Into The Spider-Verse seems like a weird choice of film to make. Who's going to want to see this?
posted by EndsOfInvention at 12:07 PM on January 15, 2019 [9 favorites]


Endgame's definitely going to involve a resolution via Quantum Realm. Bless him, Sebastian Stan already pseudo-spoiled this by mentioning in a print interview sometime during the Infinity War press tour that he shot a big battle scene and that everyone, including Michelle Pfeiffer and iirc Michael Douglas, was there. Marvel, this is what happens when you a) film two movies at the same time and b) maintain such secrecy that not even all of your actors know wtf is going on.

I'm going to be annoyed when some manner of reset button resolves the Snapture, but honestly, if my faves are all alive at the end of it, I can't say I'll mind too much. And anyway, I'll take reset button over not actually handling the worldwide consequences of the Snapture in any even remotely plausible way.
posted by yasaman at 12:17 PM on January 15, 2019


This live-action spin-off of Into The Spider-Verse seems like a weird choice of film to make. Who's going to want to see this?

Everyone who saw Into the Spider-verse? Like the whole thesis of that movie is that All Spider-People Are Valid. There is nearly always room in the public's collective heart for another Spider Person, especially when they're as charming and adorable as Miles Morales voiced by Shameik Moore and Tom Holland's Peter Parker.
posted by yasaman at 12:18 PM on January 15, 2019 [7 favorites]


I think EndsOfOnvention was joking, yasaman.

And yeah, Snapture resolution has to involve a pretty big reset. The entirety of Iron-Man 3 was about Tony's PTSD following the first Avengers film. You can't kill half the world and allow most people to remember it or else your fun movie franchise takes a pretty dark turn.
posted by axiom at 12:27 PM on January 15, 2019 [8 favorites]


Also, it would’ve been awesome if they had used Plastic Bertrand’s Ça Plane Pour Moi. Came out roughly the same time as I Wanna Be Sedated, too.

Yeah, but the Ramones are from Queens, like Peter Parker. (Maybe put it in when the field trip gets to Belgium.)
posted by Guy Smiley at 12:50 PM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


Yeah, but the Ramones are from Queens, like Peter Parker. (Maybe put it in when the field trip gets to Belgium.)

Not just both from Queens, they're from the same neighborhood of Queens: Forest Hills.
posted by maxsparber at 12:57 PM on January 15, 2019 [5 favorites]


Yeah...for me, Condiment King never cut the mustard.

If you've never read a Condiment King story you need to catch up.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 1:03 PM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


They are the sorts of story a gentleman can relish.
posted by maxsparber at 1:10 PM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


Peter's passport* shows his birthday as August 10 (blank year), as clearly August babies are superior.

August 10, 1962 is when Spiderman first debuted in Amazing Fantasy #15.
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 1:24 PM on January 15, 2019 [11 favorites]


This can absolutely take place after Endgame if the very popular theory of time travel is employed. We have Captain Marvel coming back to Earth, and Ant-man has escaped from the Quantum Realm by himself. My favorite theory is that Captain Marvel is the only being strong enough to survive time travel via the Quantum Realm. Aaaaaand The Silver Surfer can also time travel, but that would be the best kept secret ever. Ironman's absence can easily be waved away, or perhaps he dies in Endgame, or he's taken the Mind Stone safely off-planet and is trying to revive VISION (perhaps seeking help from the Kree). It's a universe filled with aliens trying to steal necklaces from wizards, lots of options here.
posted by Brocktoon at 1:26 PM on January 15, 2019 [9 favorites]


omgomgomgomg

Metafilter: a universe filled with aliens trying to steal necklaces from wizards
posted by Made of Star Stuff at 1:34 PM on January 15, 2019 [8 favorites]


The passport issue date is 2016. This movie probably takes place before Infinity War.

Why assume he got his passport just before his trip?
posted by hanov3r at 1:37 PM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


Me: Eh, I liked Homecoming a lot despite its flaws but I need more time after the cinemagic gloriousness of Into the Spider-Verse to get enthused about this
Also me: EMMMM JAAAAAAAY
posted by bettafish at 1:54 PM on January 15, 2019 [5 favorites]


Snapture resolution has to involve a pretty big reset.

The retconaissance. You heard it here first.
posted by biffa at 2:00 PM on January 15, 2019 [9 favorites]


Suitcase monogrammed 'BFP' -- he's bringing his Uncle Ben's suitcase.

Aw, this made me terrible sad for some reason. Like there's this family grief that hasn't been confronted yet and everyone is just tip-toeing around the subject.
posted by cazoo at 2:06 PM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


This live-action spin-off of Into The Spider-Verse seems like a weird choice of film to make

Same. I get these MCU movies are big dumb fun and full of punching (so much punching). I kinda liked Homecoming too, entirely because Tom Holland is so cute such a compelling actor.

But Spider-Verse was something different. It was a comic book made into a movie! Not just an action movie inspired by comic book stories. I know, it's fine to have different kinds of movies but I want more of that other kind of movie. The crazy animated stuff barely holding together movie. Dr. Strange is the closest of the MCU movies to try to achieve that comic book weirdness, and I do like it, but I am nearly alone in that appreciation.

(I'm consoling myself by rereading Sandman and imagining an Into-the-Spiderverse-like treatment of that property. It could be amazing.)
posted by Nelson at 2:08 PM on January 15, 2019 [8 favorites]


The passport issue date is 2016. This movie probably takes place before Infinity War.

Why assume he got his passport just before his trip?


Presumably he needed a passport for his trip to Germany in Civil War.
posted by Uncle Ira at 2:42 PM on January 15, 2019


I 100% believe that Tony Stark smuggled Peter to Germany across international borders on a private plane without a passport.
posted by nicebookrack at 3:05 PM on January 15, 2019 [14 favorites]


The passport issue date is 2016. This movie probably takes place before Infinity War.

Why assume he got his passport just before his trip?


Because he's Parker and he's always barely two steps ahead of screwing everything up.
posted by lumpenprole at 3:16 PM on January 15, 2019 [6 favorites]


I 100% believe that Tony Stark smuggled Peter to Germany across international borders on a private plane without a passport.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that folks like Peter and Scott Lang got to that fight in Germany without really going through passport control; same as whenever the superheroes decide they need to go into any country and destroy large buildings in the pursuit of justice.
posted by nubs at 3:20 PM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


I think it's obviously post-IW, and Wikipedia confirms. That makes me a little surprised they dropped the trailer ahead of Endgame, even though anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knew Holland would be back as Spiderman.

The whole thing just makes me mad about the two-part IW approach, again.
posted by uberchet at 3:25 PM on January 15, 2019


Respectfully disagreed, East14Taco. Batman has Egghead as played by the great Vincent Price. I am open to someone digging deep into spider-history and finding the perfect actor to pull it off, but I'm not holding my breath on something that rivals the perfect storm Vincent Price/Egghead. It's too bad that Mysterio is taken now because that's got Christopher Lambert's name all over it, although he's probably too old for that role now. Then again, keep him in the fishbowl and just use his glorious voice. Maybe someone can get Vinnie Jones as Big Wheel or something. I'd watch that.
posted by forbiddencabinet at 3:28 PM on January 15, 2019




The Riddler, Scarecrow, Bane, Two-Face, Catwoman, and let's not forget Clayface, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Penguin, Crazy Quilt, Eraser, Polka-Dot Man, Mime, Tarantula, King Tut, Orca, Killer Moth, March Harriet, Zodiac Master, Gentlemen Ghost, Clock King, Calendar Man, Kite Man, Catman, Zebra-Man, and the Condiment King!

The Riddler could be good if anybody bothered to write him as something other than Shitty Joker. I have opinions about the Riddler so don't get me started.

Scarecrow sounds cool in an elevator pitch but there's only one story you can tell about him (With Batman, that is. His cameo in Sandman was as pretty cool).

Two-Face is objectively terrible. Frank Miller did the best job with him and had to give him one face to do it. Frank Miller!

Catwoman is not a villain and that makes me sad. Also, bored rich heiress Catwoman is best Catwoman.

Clayface is OP which is why they don't use him much. (Chameleon has this for Spider Man so it's a wash.)

Penguin has umbrella powers, but he was played by Burgess Merideth so I want to like him. But umbrella powers.

The rest of those villains are Shitty Jokers and one Steve Martin gag.

And yes, a woman has talked to me once.
posted by East14thTaco at 3:29 PM on January 15, 2019 [7 favorites]


The Riddler could be good if anybody bothered to write him as something other than Shitty Joker. I have opinions about the Riddler so don't get me started.

I think Gotham has a pretty good Riddler. I like that this version has an issue solving a personal riddle concerning his own state(s) of mind(s), which look to be heading for a resolution in this final season's story arc.

The rest of those villains are Shitty Jokers and one Steve Martin gag.
Batman and his Rogue's Gallery is fascinating as by and large his greatest foes are as human as he is, and with equally disturbing though extremely disparate psychoses, expressed by how these villains commit their crimes.

Of them, Penguin suffers the most when it comes to writing a good version because there wasn't really anything you could peg on him other than he was a dandy who liked to wear tuxedos to a bank robbery. In that sense, Penguin is pretty terrible. Meredith did his best by giving him a quacky laugh, but that was it. Even the Animated Series (still arguably the favorite version of Batman for Gen X comic fans) had trouble with Penguin.

I grew up on Spider-man and got into Batman mostly because everyone sort of did in the late 80s and early 90s because of Frank Miller. Spider-man villains are less disturbing from a psychoses point of view, at least the interpretations of them I read as a kid. What's not to love? Among them, you have a geriatric thief with wings, a nerd with four robot arms, a guy in a flat gray rhino suit, and one wearing a fishbowl on his head and green netting for a suit. Spider-man has as colorful a set of villains to play with as Batman, even if their motivations are more straightforward.

I'm not going to say if they're a better gallery of rogues than Batman's as I love them all.
posted by linux at 4:06 PM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


Spider-Man, on the other hand, is a creepy-animal-based hero who fights a bunch of villains who are either likewise animal-based (Doctor Octopus, The Lizard, The Vulture, The Scorpion, The Jackal), mad scientists (Doc Ock again, The Green Goblin, The Lizard again, The Jackal again) and a few who don't fall into those categories

You're right, but I think this misses the most important feature of Spider-Man's rogue's gallery. Aside from the jobbers whose role is to be webbed up in the first three pages, Spider-Man's best villains represent the people who are most intimidating to teenagers: adults and authority figures. He's got a lot of mad scientist villains primarily because they represent teachers and professors. That's why The Green Goblin ended up being his arch nemesis. He's a teenager's worst nightmare: your friend's scary dad.
posted by painquale at 5:01 PM on January 15, 2019 [7 favorites]


painquale’s got it, but I would add that Peter Parker’s most successful villains (besides J. Jonah Jameson) are all dark “road not taken” reflections of him. There’s Norman Osborn as the ruthless self-made inventor-entrepreneur, Harry Osborn as the loyal son desperate for the approval of a father figure who’s no Uncle Ben, Octavius as the amoral scientist, and Brock as the unscrupulous reporter.

And MJ is also a foil for Peter (as a normal person who hides the depth of her character behind a protective facade), making this whole affair rather solipsistic...
posted by bettafish at 5:16 PM on January 15, 2019 [4 favorites]


Well, everyone is going on about continuity and rogue's galleries and whatnot...

Was I the only one bothered by Nick Fury shooting that dude with the tranquilizer dart? I get it, that's movie shorthand to non-lethally remove characters from a situation, but that bothers me. Call me old-fashioned, but the good guys should at least give people an option to voluntarily exit before doing something extreme as that. Very authoritarian, and I can't stand that. I know, it's a superhero movie, I shouldn't worry about things like how tranquilizers don't work that way and can be lethal if they do, allergic reactions, getting hit in the eye, breaking a bone when dropping like a bag of cement, or even, as pointed out in the trailer as a joke, choking on your own tongue. But I do. Sorry.
posted by KHAAAN! at 5:25 PM on January 15, 2019 [7 favorites]


Spider-Man is the guy who prevents his villains from achieving super villain status. That's one of the concepts that makes Honecoming a great story. It's a re-booted Peter Parker, but not a Spider-Man origin story. It's a Vulture origin story. Ironman won't touch The Vulture because he's small potatoes. No Avenger has the will or the time to round up provincial arms dealers that don't murder innocent people and aren't HYDRA affiliated. Homecoming is a demonstration of Spider-Man's nearly unlimited potential after he successfully prevents the rise of The Vulture, Super Villain. Not soon after he is engaged in combat with Thanos, as he should be. He's a top class hero that would be utterly terrifying if not for his innocent personality and level sense of justice.
posted by Brocktoon at 5:42 PM on January 15, 2019 [7 favorites]


Mysterio's blasts seem very Eye of Agamotto-y, which seems like a weird misdirection considering how little of the general public has witnessed the time stone in action.
posted by ckape at 5:44 PM on January 15, 2019


It's Mysterio. None of that is actually happening. He's just staging a fake Hydroman battle using a bunch of Avengers props and effects to make himself look like a hero for some reason.
posted by painquale at 5:54 PM on January 15, 2019 [3 favorites]


A Mysterio suit powered by the Time Stone would be pretty epic, I hope you're right.
posted by Brocktoon at 6:11 PM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


I'd prefer Spider-Man movies to have less Tony Stark. Like, none Tony Stark if possible. Stark is a fucked-up guy in the MCU. He's stuck in a loop of solving problems that he himself is largely responsible for and never holds himself accountable. He brought a child who idolizes him to a superhero brawl, then ghosted him. But occasionally shows up to give the child variations of his own signature super-weapon, and then takes them away when, surprise, the child uses that super-weapon in Stark-like ways. It's a gross relationship. I hope Stark dies in Endgame.
posted by um at 6:17 PM on January 15, 2019 [3 favorites]


Eh, cut him some slack. There's no frame of reference on the containment of a teenage demi-god. One of Spidey's abilities is massive damage mitigation, and Cap just isn't capable of murdering orphans from Queens.
posted by Brocktoon at 6:35 PM on January 15, 2019 [3 favorites]


KHAAAN!: I have a feeling that a central character conflict of the movie will be Peter/Spidey rebelling over Nick Fury's attempts to enlist/control him as an official operative. Homecoming saw Peter finally turn down Tony Stark's urging to "Do the superhero stuff I tell you or else risk my rejection and disapproval," and those were were orders coming from Tony's best mentorly intentions of protective concern and paternal love for Peter. Nick Fury seems much more likely to be pragmatically interested in using Spider-Man as an obedient asset than in necessarily doing what is best for teenage Peter Parker. And Peter & Fury's interaction may be more complicated if Endgame sees the death of Tony Stark, considering Tony's own rocky relationship with Fury.

MCU Nick Fury's appearance and some of his personality was based on comics' Ultimate Nick Fury, but MCU Fury is not as big of an asshole as Ultimate Fury was, and Ultimate Fury was a particularly massive asshole to teenage Ultimate Peter Parker. IIRC Ult Fury was basically like "I'll look the other way as long as you're a minor, but if you cross me I'll out your secret identity in a heartbeat, and also I own your ass the second you turn eighteen." So we will see how much if any of that dynamic carries over to the MCU relationship.
posted by nicebookrack at 6:37 PM on January 15, 2019 [5 favorites]


After the wonderful experience that was Enter The Spider-Verse, this just looks lame. Pass.
posted by hoodrich at 7:47 PM on January 15, 2019


...the good guys should at least give people an option to voluntarily exit before doing something extreme as that. Very authoritarian...

Nick Fury isn't so much a good guy as a guy working for good. Mostly. This has been hashed out repeatedly in the comics but even in the MCU he was the guy who brought the Avengers together by straight up lying to them.

It is a classic setup: young idealistic hero and older jaded mentor. It seems likely that Peter is going to join the many many heroes who (in the comics) have rebelled against Fury's methods and outlook.
posted by iamnotangry at 8:47 PM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


Given that Peter actually gets wet while fighting the big water figure, it's not one of Mysterio's illusions.

Mysterio's whole deal is that he was a movie stunt man / special effects artist who uses movie tricks to pretend to have superpowers.

So Peter getting clobbered by something wet? Could just be old-school practical FX.
posted by straight at 9:12 PM on January 15, 2019 [3 favorites]


Even 616 Fury could be a not-nice guy some of the time; he tried to take over Tony Stark's company to ensure that Stark would keep equipping SHIELD. (That was a pretty grim time for the character; it included the "Demon in a Bottle" storyline, as well as an incident in which Justin Hammer (considerably nastier than the Iron Man 2 version) hacks the control systems of the Iron Man suit; he waits until Tony is posing for a picture with a foreign diplomat while wearing the suit, with his hand on the guy's back, then activates the repulsor ray in that hand. )
posted by Halloween Jack at 9:19 PM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


Re: Batman's Rogues v. Spiderman Rogues gallery: My 2c: so much depends on a writer understanding the psychodynamics.

The Batman Rogues gallery works because they embody different mental illnesses, whether it's Dent's multiple personality disorder, Scarecrow's phobias... even The Penguin is a twisted caricature of Bruce Wayne... a Bruce Wayne gone wrong in every possible way.

Meanwhile, Spiderman villains are all exaggerated figures of anxiety within the typical life of a teenager. The Lizard is the science teacher who suddenly turns into an asshole; Green Goblin is your friend's scary and abusive dad; The Vulture is a cranky old man who hates youth. And J. Jonah Jameson is the greatest villain of all: the adult who refuses to ever give youth the benefit of the doubt, a villain who can't be stopped by all the punching and quipping and web fluid that Parker can muster.

So essentially, both rogues galleries work and fail according to the authors who understand the fundamental conflict:

In Batman, it's the slope between neurosis and psychosis- Batman is fighting to retain his sanity in an insane society.

In Spiderman, it's Youth versus Authority- a young idealistic adventurer working to overcome the toxicity and cynicism of adult authority figures.
posted by LeRoienJaune at 9:32 PM on January 15, 2019 [2 favorites]


It wasn't until the third Spidey film franchise that they realized none of his new theme music was sticking because "Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can" is already perfect, and can be performed with strings and brass.

The MCU Spidey movie my heart wants would co-star Charlie Cox Daredevil, who gives Pete a very different lesson in superheroing than Tony did. But this looks okay too I guess ...
posted by EatTheWeak at 9:35 PM on January 15, 2019


The whole thing just makes me mad about the two-part IW approach, again.

Aw, c'mon. It's comics. The good team wins. It's okay for Marvel to solicit orders for Spider-Man #6 even if Spider-Man #4 ends with a "Is Spider-Man dead?!" cliff-hanger.
posted by straight at 9:37 PM on January 15, 2019 [5 favorites]


They might retire; this was already lampshaded with Tony's first scene in Infinity War with Pepper. It's suggested at the end of the first Avengers movie that Cap is headed out on his motorcycle to see America....

I... have an issue with Iron Man or Cap retiring, in that when the next big Threat To Mankind shows up, they're what -- not going to do anything about it? Assume the rest of the gang has it in hand and chill out in front of the TV to watch it all unfold?

That's one of the sucky things about being a super-hero - you can't just clock off.
posted by tzikeh at 9:56 PM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


Paternity leave. Tony can get a pass if he and Pepper have a baby and he's stay-at-home-dad-ing. And as for Steve, I'm kind of rooting for him to lose the supersoldier serum. That would be a great way to avoid killing him off, while still maintaining a good reason for him not be all over any future threats. Though tbh, I think you can sell retired superheroes just fine, it's not so different from the current status quo as it is, because it's not as if everyone shows up for every threat in every movie now. So like where's Tony or Thor or Steve or whoever in Avengers 6? idk, in space, here are your new shiny heroes.
posted by yasaman at 10:26 PM on January 15, 2019 [1 favorite]


It wasn't until the third Spidey film franchise that they realized none of his new theme music was sticking because "Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can" is already perfect, and can be performed with strings and brass.

That old theme song shows up in both of the first two Sam Raimi Spider-Mans. I can't find the scene from 1 but here's the one from Spider Man 2.
posted by octothorpe at 4:56 AM on January 16, 2019 [3 favorites]


...or even, as pointed out in the trailer as a joke, choking on your own tongue.

Movies don't have time to show and/or explain everything but, take stock of some of the technology in the MCU. In Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Fury uses a drug developed by S.H.I.E.L.D. to fake his own death. Technology that we can only dream of is common place in the MCU and it makes sense that medical technology would similarly advanced. That and Fury is presented as being on the side of good and in the Captain Marvel trailer he pets a cat. It's not unreasonable to think that the tranquilizer dart uses some very high-tech tranquilizer that is fast acting and very safe. Additionally, Fury is a VERY skilled and VERY experienced combatant who, at that range, could stick a fly to the wall with that dart. He's going to hit the poor kid is a safe spot and have accounted for him collapsing. Dude might not be a super-hero but he's as skilled as a non-super-powered human can be in that universe (which is much more highly skilled than a human is capable of in our 'cause it's a movie).

I don't think for a second there is any actual danger of the kid chocking on his tongue or perhaps after the camera cuts away from the scene what we don't see is Fury saying, "Nah, he'll be totally fine and feel really well rested when he wakes up. We should still turn him on his side though just in case." And then maybe they tuck him into bed or something.

It's all make-believe so if something in a movie bothers you, make-believe there is some rational explanation behind that makes sense in that movie's world. It's an idealized fantasy right? So you can assume that most things have an idealized and fantastical explanation even if it's not presented on screen.
posted by VTX at 7:22 AM on January 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


He hits a vein with a ketamine cocktail. Lights out, sped up a bit because we don't want a 10 minute scene of that.
posted by Brocktoon at 7:31 AM on January 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


Ned: Into the K-Hole
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:18 AM on January 16, 2019 [4 favorites]


My roommate is an enormous Marvel fanboy and film dude and everything in the MCU is like his crack. I saw that the trailer was posted, so last night at some point I was going to ask him if he'd seen it yet.

But I only got as far as "So, the new Spider Man trailer....." because he turned around and gave me a look of utter unbridled glee and I started laughing too hard to speak.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 1:09 PM on January 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


Does Peter Parker get paid to be an Avenger? I mean, a part-time job where you put your life on the line protecting the earth should pay enough to help Aunt May out with the rent and put money aside for college, right?
posted by plastic_animals at 2:15 PM on January 16, 2019


Does Peter Parker get paid to be an Avenger? I mean, a part-time job where you put your life on the line protecting the earth should pay enough to help Aunt May out with the rent and put money aside for college, right?

Well, a lot depends on what happens with Endgame. Peter had turned down Stark's offer to become an Avenger at the end of Homecoming (which apparently would have involved him moving into Avenger HQ and rooming next to Vision but no clarity on what happens with his education, wages, etc), but officially was dubbed an Avenger on the spaceship on the way to Titan, where it didn't appear there was time for a full onboarding process in terms of him getting the benefits explained, etc.

If Endgame rewinds time to the point where Peter never gets on that spaceship, then he's still just your friendly neighbourhood Spiderman and has all the same struggles he did before.
posted by nubs at 2:40 PM on January 16, 2019 [1 favorite]


where it didn't appear there was time for a full onboarding process in terms of him getting the benefits explained, etc.

He probably missed out on some nice welcome swag too. Retractable key chain reel, 100% canvas tote bag, You don't have to be crazy to work here but you do need superpowers coffee mug, etc.
posted by Iridic at 2:55 PM on January 16, 2019 [5 favorites]


"...and if the Vision walks through the wall of your room, remind him that we've talked about that. It doesn't matter if your door is open. Oh, and if the grown-ups have a party, you do not get 'just one' beer, and if they play Try To Pick Up Thor's Hammer... well, use your best judgment, but think of the implications if you can. I mean, you might get a day of the week named after you, but..."
posted by Halloween Jack at 3:23 PM on January 16, 2019 [2 favorites]


You don't have to be crazy to work here but you do need superpowers coffee mug

I'm friggin' Hawkeye/Maybe I'm as super as they are
posted by nubs at 3:53 PM on January 16, 2019


even The Penguin is a twisted caricature of Bruce Wayne... a Bruce Wayne gone wrong in every possible way.

Actually that seems to be a better description of Deadshot (guy born into wealth, has his own sets of neuroses and parental issues, but definitely ended up on the "wrong" side).
posted by gtrwolf at 8:27 PM on January 16, 2019


I'd say Deadshot is more of twisted caricature of Batman while Penguin is a twisted version of Bruce Wayne.

Does Peter Parker get paid to be an Avenger?

Generally, I think that Avengers that need to get paid, get paid. Tony mentions in Avengers: Age of Ultron that he pays for everything and creates all of their gear which I've always taken to mean that Stark Industries funds the whole thing once it's no longer part of SHIELD. But not all of the Avengers need to draw a salary. Thor and Vision probably don't really have a need for money though I imagine that they have some easy way to get some petty cash if they need "walkin' around money".

War Machine is an Air Force officer so I think he gets paid that way. Steve is a WWII vet and I wouldn't be surprised if some folks in the military pulled some strings to get him a pension (at least until he becomes an outlaw). Or he might have had a bunch of money in a bank account at a decent interest rate that compounded into a fortune while he was in the ice.

Banner and Scarlet Witch probably both draw a salary though I think Hawkeye might still get paid through SHIELD. Falcon should have an Army pension and might not want a salary from Stark but he might not turn down a fat paycheck from Stark Industries.

Black Widow is probably independently wealthy from her years as a super-spy and I doubt she'd give up the information needed to setup direct deposit anyways.

The problem with Peter though is that he still keeps his identity a secret. Everyone else is out in the open about who they are so I'd think he might get some kind of modest stipend so that he's not suddenly wealthy with no explanation but doesn't have to worry about May affording the rent and the like. If so, I don't think we'll ever see Parker selling photos to JJJ at the Daily Bugle.

On the one hand, these are supposed to be heroes and they don't do it for money. On the other hand, Stark Industries manufactures what is certainly the next dominant energy source on planet Earth (ARC reactors) and typically whatever entity controls that resource gets richer than everyone else.

PS: Not realizing that and just wanting to use ARC reactors to power weapons of war is how we know that Obadiah Stane isn't a very good business man. A source of clean, sustainable power with that much energy density? As an energy company they should be so dominant they make the Dutch East India Trading company look like a short foot-note.
posted by VTX at 6:04 AM on January 17, 2019 [3 favorites]


I assume the kinds of weapons Obadiah Stane was envisioning were things like the Helicarriers. They probably weren't possible before ARC reactors.

"...and if the Vision walks through the wall of your room, remind him that we've talked about that. It doesn't matter if your door is open."

MortyPeter: ... also, knock next time, you know? I mean, I'm sitting in here, I'm sixteen! I got a computer in here, you know?
JerryVision: Oh, I, uh... I think I understa—
Peter: You know, you're really playing with fire when you burst in here like that, man.
Vision: I get it. Say no more.
Peter: I mean one of these days, you know, you're gonna—you're gonna—you're gonna end up seeing something.
Vision: I got it! Noted! Good night!
posted by um at 7:01 AM on January 17, 2019 [2 favorites]


> "Does Peter Parker get paid to be an Avenger?"

Nah. Wealth and fame, he's ignored.

Action is his reward.
posted by kyrademon at 7:50 AM on January 17, 2019 [6 favorites]


The issue of how and how much superheroes get paid stretches back at least to Amazing Fantasy #15, Spider-Man's first appearance, where the first thing that Peter does in costume is take on a wrestler who's offering a cash prize to anyone who can beat him; he then founds his own reality show, which he quits after Uncle Ben is killed. (There's a great What If? in which Peter stops the burglar, and goes on to become a show biz asshole.) In his very next appearance, in The Amazing Spider-Man #1, he tries to join the Fantastic Four, but decides not to after Reed Richards reveals that they don't get a salary. (Richards is notoriously bad with money; an early FF story has them going broke, even though Reed should be a trillionaire from patents.) By the time Spidey finally joins the Avengers, I'm pretty sure that they get a stipend (probably set up through the Maria Stark Foundation, Tony's not-for-profit corporation named after his mom, which funds the Avengers generally); Peter can even move MJ and Aunt May into the mansion/HQ for safety, and May has some cute interactions with Wolverine, who is also on the team.

But that's the comics, and the MCU is pretty vague on any question of stipends or other compensation. You do see kids with Avengers merch around, so they may get royalties from that. I don't think that Steve's pension has ever been brought up in MCU canon, but it was a plot point for a while in the comics; at first he got it, and then it was retroactively rescinded (in the same storyline that led to someone else being officially appointed Captain America for a while). IRL, the question of whether or not someone who had long since been declared dead would be owed pay when they were discovered alive has been kicked around; even the army responded (if only to say what boiled down to "who knows"). I think that it would be highly likely that Congress would have passed a law basically making a one-time exception for him and just granting him $3 million tax-free, much in the same way as George Washington being declared a six-star general.
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:01 AM on January 17, 2019 [3 favorites]


Nah. Wealth and fame, he's ignored.

Action is his reward.


Isn't Parker's problem that he has his own stick incentive? He beats himself up if he doesn't live up to his self-assumed responsibilities. He may still enjoy the action but that's more like a side benefit.
posted by biffa at 8:36 AM on January 17, 2019


Or he might have had a bunch of money in a bank account at a decent interest rate that compounded into a fortune while he was in the ice.

Yeah, but there were a few tense moments when the bank realized that they had dicked away all of Captain America's savings with fees and other scams like they do with every other dormant account and some poor spreadsheet jockey was yelled at to "Just figure out how much it would have been worth!"
posted by straight at 9:11 AM on January 17, 2019 [2 favorites]


(Richards is notoriously bad with money; an early FF story has them going broke, even though Reed should be a trillionaire from patents.)

Apparently he either got better with it or managed to hire a decent super-accountant, since he ended up buying the Baxter Building during the Byrne era.
posted by gtrwolf at 11:39 AM on January 17, 2019


Ah, just remembered--the Avengers did have a stipend program, back in the late seventies, when a government agent named Henry Peter Gyrich temporarily took over supervision of the team and instituted a number of rules, including limiting the number of active members to seven and putting everyone else on reserve. (Gyrich has had an interesting career in the comics, and in the movies he's shown up in the X-universe very briefly in the first movie, where he was killed (off-screen) and replaced by Mystique.) The active members, in addition to living at the mansion (which was in midtown Manhattan at the time), got a stipend of a thousand dollars a week; the reserves got a hundred dollars a month, leading Hawkeye (who didn't make the cut) to get a security job.
posted by Halloween Jack at 11:49 AM on January 17, 2019


The average rent for an apartment in Queens is $2,200. I think Aunt May might be doing OK financially. Uncle Ben probably secured some of her income. Dumping cash on Peter would raise red flags with Aunt May and the IRS and threaten his anonymity. I will take a wild guess and assume that the federal government doesn't employ minors in combat duty. And MCU Peter seems pretty happy with what he has, I don't think he cares too much about wealth.
posted by Brocktoon at 1:26 PM on January 17, 2019


Obviously Aunt May and Ben managed to buy a Queens condo at a rock-bottom price when people were selling to get the hell out of the city after the Battle of New York
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