women deserved the vote because they were different from men. They could make their domesticity into a political virtue, using the franchise to create a purer, more moral "maternal commonwealth." This argument served many political agendas: Temperance advocates, for instance, wanted women to have the vote because they thought it would mobilize an enormous voting bloc on behalf of their cause, and many middle-class white people were swayed once again by the argument that the enfranchisement of white women would "ensure immediate and durable white supremacy, honestly attained."A similar argument crops up in debates over coeducation at formerly all-male liberal arts colleges history of coeducation at US colleges, where "[s]upporters of coeducation often argued that the presence of women would have a civilizing effect on male students," and the decision by administrators to admit women was often based on largely economic concerns.
posted by XMLicious at 8:48 AM on December 6, 2012 [20 favorites]RIGHTS OR WRONGS?
(The Diary of a Female of the Future.)
Monday. — Just as I had settled my household work for the day I was called away to serve on a Jury, and had to remain in the Law Courts until the evening.
Tuesday. — Some riots having taken place in our neighbourhood, was forced to act as a Special Constable. Paraded the streets all day long in a state of constant alarm.
Wednesday. — Received a letter from my friend SUSIE, who has heard that the Militia are to be called out. Visited her, and discovered that women, as citizens, are now liable to military service.
Thursday. — Had to attend an inquest as a Coroner's Juryman. A very unpleasant duty indeed, as it was held upon a person who had committed a most horrible suicide.
Friday. — Having failed to obey the orders of a County Court Judge, was locked up in prison for contempt. I owe this scrape to the extravagance of my husband—a man who will buy hats and coats, and who will not work for our living.
Saturday. — In deep tribulation. The Governor of the gaol is a female, and, as a matter of course, favours the male prisoners. Asked for a book, and was furnished with a work upon Roman Law. Cried myself to sleep over a passage which told me that no one could obtain the privileges of a citizen without accepting a citizen's duties and responsibilities. Oh, why did I give up the privileges of a real woman for the miseries of a mock man!
FBI reports consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. However, "unfounded" is not synonymous with "false" allegation. The largest study, published in 2005, was based on 2,643 sexual assault cases and found 3% of false reports. A much criticized 1994 study of 109 rape complaints made between 1978 and 1987 found 41% of false allegations.Furthermore:
...The qualitative research also suggests that some officers continue to exhibit an unjustified scepticism of rape complainants, while others interpret such things as lack of evidence or complaint withdrawal as ‘‘proof’’ of a false allegation. Such findings suggest that there are inadequacies in police awareness of the dynamics and impact of sexual victimisation and this further reinforces the importance of training and education. However, the exact extent to which police officers incorrectly label allegations as false is difficult to discern.Should anyone go to jail for being falsely accused of anything? Of course not.
The core issue is that the Men's Rights Movement, as a group, believes wholeheartedly and entirely that feminists believe women are better than men, that feminists believe women should be privileged over men, that, most of all, feminists believe the solution to inequality is to privilege women over men consistently.There are many, many situations where I believe men's rights activists blame feminism for things that are wayyyy more closely tied to stereotypes based in traditional rigid gender roles. It's frustrating, because you can find lots of common ground, for example:
Feminists do not believe this. There are probably crazy feminists somewhere who believe this, but they do not exist on Metafilter.
Pope Guilty:I think part of this (from back int he day) is adjusting your message for whom you're talking to in order to get what you want. If everyone thought equal rights were how things should be there wouldn't be a movement in the first place. So you buy off the bigots by making them think it is to their benefit, get the laws passed and then let the new social structure change the generations to come.
"Equal rights for women are of course beneficial to men, but even if they weren't, they'd still be fucking mandatory because it's equal fucking rights and I'd like to think that we're human beings and not vermin."
[Franklin & Marshall College has] been strictly a men's college for 181 years.This was a *recruitment* ad, mind you. And it was still being discussed in the College's first women's studies courses, many years later. Flickr also turns up this image from F&M; it ran in newspapers across the nation.
But we think we have a lot to offer the girls. And we know the girls have a lot to offer us.
For one thing, they'll be a big improvement on campus. Esthetically. Socially. And academically.
While expanding opportunities and economic benefits for women can explain women’s increased college attainment rates, the stagnation of male college attainment rates (at rates well below women) is harder to explain on purely economic grounds. Analysts have begun to stress differences in young males and females (such as maturation rates, behavioral problems, and noncognitive skill acquisition) that may make college, and schooling in general, more costly for males to invest in than females. As the economists Claudia Goldin, Lawrence Katz, and Ilyana Kuzeimko put it—men may have higher "effort costs" to engage in schooling than women, and thus, everything else equal, educational investment looks less attractive to males.data points:
> If men want a voice in what the liberated world is going to look like......they will have to do nothing, because they will have equal rights.
I kind of hate the whole "patriarchy hurts men" thing sometimes because it puts the focus on men.God forbid we discuss the subtleties of an issue rather than just its blatant implications. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Men have defined the parameters of every subject. All feminist arguments, however radical in intent or consequence, are with or against assertions or premises implicit in the male system, which is made credible or authentic by the power of men to name. -- Andrea Dworkinposted by shakespeherian at 12:36 PM on December 6, 2012 [3 favorites]
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Do you have examples or counterexamples of the effects on men?
posted by emjaybee at 8:15 AM on December 6, 2012 [1 favorite]