It's hot as hell in Philadelphia
July 26, 2016 1:10 PM   Subscribe

Join us for Day 2 of the Democratic National Convention, featuring the Roll Call of the States, Mothers of the Movement, Madeleine Albright, and President Bill Clinton.

Following an eventful Day 1, Day 2 will give Sanders delegates "the chance to back him in a roll-call vote from the convention floor on Tuesday, a largely symbolic gesture intended to recognize the breadth of Mr. Sanders’s support as the former rival campaigns negotiate an awkward peace." There remains an opportunity for further gavel-related hijinks as well, so you won't want to miss a moment of the excitement.

A few highlights from yesterday:
11-year-old Karla Ortiz - "I don't feel brave every day," she says, discussing the fear her parents may be deported
Sarah Silverman's full speech
Michelle Obama
Elizabeth Warren
Bernie Sanders

Today's full schedule of speakers

Streaming links:
Twitch
YouTube 360 degree
demconvention.org

A hastily-assembled collection of random election stories of the day:
The creator of the viral pro-Trump act ‘USA Freedom Kids’ now plans to sue the campaign
"It is easy to boo, but it is harder to look your kids in the face who would be living under a Donald Trump presidency," says @BernieSanders
Steven Colbert's wrap-up of Day 1
Trump Testifies He Planned Infamous Mexican ‘Rapists’ Speech In Advance
posted by zachlipton (2663 comments total) 58 users marked this as a favorite
 
Thank you for this new thread, zachlipton!
posted by zarq at 1:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


For reference during today's roll-call: Hillary stopping the roll-call in 2008 to nominate Obama by acclamation.
posted by acidic at 1:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


Thanks for posting highlights from yesterday, too. I tuned out after the early ugliness, but I still want to hear Michelle Obama's and Elizabeth Warren's speeches.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:12 PM on July 26, 2016


*vacuums the other 90% of the carpet*
posted by mrzarquon at 1:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Hillary Clinton Is Imperfect. That's OK. We're Nominating a President, Not a Messiah: "When political debates throughout the world are resolved with violence and executions, I am so moved that this messy, loud, contentious convention will nominate a superb woman to be the next President of the United States tonight."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


mybodyisready.gif

Man, good thing I work at a university and things are slow right now.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Can we start a pool on how long Bill's speech is gonna be?
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


It's actually cooled off a bit from yesterday, thank God.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:14 PM on July 26, 2016


(Both literally and, I hope, metaphorically)
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Another highlight, while we're listing: Cory Booker's speech.
posted by penduluum at 1:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I should have included Rep. Elijah Cummings' speech, which was actually quite lovely about civil rights but for all the people shouting over it.
posted by zachlipton at 1:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Can we start a pool on how long Bill's speech is gonna be?

I'm going to say 1 minute longer than Donald's acceptance speech, so 77 minutes.
posted by sallybrown at 1:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


For reference during today's roll-call: Hillary stopping the roll-call in 2008 to nominate Obama by acclamation.

If that happened today there would be anarchy. Bernie delegates are fighting this down to the last bitter vote even if he doesn't want it.
posted by Talez at 1:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Brand New Congress, the PAC formed by former advisors of Senator Sanders that would like to “replace Congress all at once” with Progressive candidates in the 2018 midterms (yes, they do know that only 468 of the 535 seats are up for re-election in two years,) just sent out the following email:
We’re in Philly, and you should have seen the fallen faces last night of thousands of Bernie supporters here. We all hate this ultimatum that we’ve been given. And there’s a way to escape it! Whatever you do in this presidential election, the revolution has a new target, and it needs you: We’re running 400 candidates for 2018 to elect a Brand New Congress.

How many times did people tell us we were crazy for saying the system was rigged? We knew it was corrupt. We could see it. And they dismissed us -- the party, the press, and many of our friends and family. But now with the Wikileaks release of thousands of DNC official emails, we have full confirmation the DNC tipped the scales as they mocked the Bernie campaign and Bernie volunteers.

We know the DNC is going to do everything in its power to stop BNC too -- we’re under no illusions. They’ve already been talking about us in the Wikileaks emails! That’s why we need to build our own campaign infrastructure outside the party. And we’re doing it! We’ve got some of the best organizers and technology people from the campaign.

Will you donate $3 or $27 to help us keep building and seize this critical moment?

If you've saved your payment information with ActBlue Express, your donation will go through immediately:

[Express Donate Links]

Dozens of us BNC leaders are here in Philly, building this new movement -- both inside and outside the Convention, while dozens more are working hard at home all over the country. Volunteers are triaging all 30,000 people who have signed up so far into a national organizing structure. We are calling through hundreds of candidate nominations. A dozen speakers are leading a 100-city organizing tour, leaving behind ground teams everywhere they go. We’re building a new generation of voter contact tools. Not all -- but some of this requires funds, such as travel, legal fees, our first office, printing, and key software tools. We are paying for a lot of this stuff out of our own pockets -- and thousands of supporters have already donated to help.

Bernie said we were fighting to overthrow the Billionaire Class. And then last night he told us to vote for Hillary Clinton even though she represents the Billionaire Class -- because Donald Trump, who not only represents the Billionaires, also stands openly for hate, racism, division and misogyny.

But this does not mean the revolution is over! The BNC is a campaign to overthrow establishment politics and economics by electing a whole new Congress of honest people from all walks of life and who truly represent the people. Please help us take off, with whatever donation you can make.

Yours for the revolution,
The Whole BNC Volunteer Team
They're pushing several narratives, including: Clinton was forced on them, the system is rigged, they were dismissed by everyone but will rise again, the DNC was against them from the beginning, etc., etc.

Whatever the rhetoric, I'm really looking forward to seeing if they manage to get some Progressives elected. This is how lasting political change is made -- by building support from the ground up.
posted by zarq at 1:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


I'm going to say 1 minute longer than Donald's acceptance speech, so 77 minutes.

I see you're using the "Price is Right" method of estimating time. All right, I'll use the "Jeopardy" method and say "half as long as Trump's speech minus a minute," so 35 minutes.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


My cable has been down since Saturday, and I just got it back up and running. Did I miss anything?

All I have to add right now is I was at my doctor's office yesterday, and they had FoxNews playing in the waiting room (ugh) and the narration was all about how Hillary monkeywrenched and robbed Bernie, and how Bernie's supporters were threatening violence and civil disobedience, etc. etc. I think they even mentioned someone chaining themselves to something or another. To hear Fox tell it, Philadelphia was total pandemonium bordering on violent insurrection. They practically had Philly in flames already.

To top it off, the two guys waiting in the room with me were expressing their disappointment that they would be voting against someone for President, instead of for someone. They were both for Trump.
posted by Thorzdad at 1:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bill has to fill at least 60 minutes, so I'll say 65.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


One thing I haven't really kept up with given all the drama inside is news from the protests outside. Anybody have any good recaps or links on what's been going on?
posted by zachlipton at 1:21 PM on July 26, 2016


My cable has been down since Saturday, and I just got it back up and running. Did I miss anything?

Sunday's Doonesbury.
posted by zarq at 1:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [53 favorites]


"Bill has to fill at least 60 minutes, so I'll say 65."

God, I just hope he stays on the paper. Every time he adds improv, he does damage to HRC's campaign.
posted by klarck at 1:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Thorzdad, if you only catch up with one thing: make it Michelle Obama's speech.
posted by gilrain at 1:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


During the roll call, I just want to know what Kansas is thinking, what Kansas is for.
posted by drezdn at 1:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I know everybody always says gavel-to-gavel coverage, but I've never been so literally interested in the actual gavel part before.
posted by zachlipton at 1:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I hope I'm always going to look back at this convention and thank little Karla Ortiz for singlehandedly saving the country from Donald Trump with her courageous adorability.
posted by zennie at 1:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I will be very interested to see how progressives do in the midterms - I'm genuinely afraid that there isn't enough maturity, politicking, sense, etc, and that depresses me. I want to be progressive! But not if it means being part of the ideology of the BoBer who last night informed me that this was the most rigged, corrupt election in American history. (I was very tired, and let another friend argue instead of snapping 'the entirety of American history before the Voting Rights Act, to begin with' at him.)
posted by kalimac at 1:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Sunday's Doonesbury.

Don't Sunday comics have to be turned in six weeks ahead of time? Trudeau knows what's up.
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Sit down, Bill! Sit down, Bill!
For God's sake, Bill, sit down!
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Someone oughta open up a window!

(That someone is me, opening up more browser windows. I wasn't around yesterday and so I appreciate the links to the highlights, as well as for the gavel-related coverage.)
posted by mixedmetaphors at 1:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'll bet that Bill will take up 80 minutes somehow.
posted by ZeusHumms at 1:26 PM on July 26, 2016


[Several comments deleted. Greetings friends, to repeat: only YOU can refrain from filling the thread with 1000 comments about the number of comments; also we're not relitigating the primaries in here; also take the DNC email stuff over to previous thread where it was extensively discussed.]
posted by LobsterMitten at 1:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]




I'm taking bets on whether, in 2020, he re-uses the "I just wanted to finish my speech" line from 1992.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hm. This is my 2000th comment, so I should use it to get a good laugh: Bill for under 15, just to mess with people.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 1:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


So I watched a bit of the proceedings last night, but was too far behind in the thread to comment. Franken seemed flat, so I tuned out for a moment, & came back in just in time to see Sarah Silverman looking awkward -- I guess she'd just gotten the "keep going" hand signal, but she did alright. I totally missed Michelle Obama -- I got the stream going again just in time for Thank you!" -- ugh.

Cory Booker seemed shouty. My wife used the word "exhausting." Still, he's got a ton of potential, if he can shake off some of his corporate baggage. I like his positivity.

Elizabeth Warren fucking killed it. I love her so much. I really love that she pulls NO punches. Please dear G*d give her a senate majority.

Sanders -- I was a supporter early on because I compared his platform to Clinton's & it aligned with my values better. I got more tepid as the Bern it Down crowd started to gain steam. HOWEVER he & his supporters deserve a huge debt of gratitude for driving the platform leftward. They got real work done there, despite not winning the nom. Good on Bernie & co. for that. His speech last night was pitch-perfect under the circumstances. He managed to round the corner from thanking & praising his supporters to throwing his weight behind Clinton & laying out Reasons Why at just the right pace. Very impressed, & very glad to see him moving so deftly towards unity.

Feel a little better about the slim margins in the national polls after last night.

That final prayer put me straight to sleep on about the 200th G*d.

See y'all at the voting booth in November -- I'll be in my hole peeking out occasionally, but I don't have the guts for this any more.
posted by Devils Rancher at 1:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Non 360 youtube view, which is what I found to be the most stable yesterday.
posted by mrzarquon at 1:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


For anyone trying to make sense of this election cycle - this about sums it up in two quick minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poz6W0znOfk
posted by CottonCandyCapers at 1:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I can't wait to watch history. We'll have a woman to vote for as president from a major party in a few months.
posted by cashman at 1:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I hope poffin boffin will be less murderous now ^_^
posted by numaner at 1:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


You know she's thinking "don't forget to gavel. Don't forget to gavel."

And she does it right off the bat! Twice! Good gaveling!
posted by zachlipton at 1:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Sunday's Doonesbury

Oh, that first panel.

And even Roland Burton Hedley II, jr. took notice.
 
posted by Herodios at 1:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm a Fudge backer! (am i doing this right?)
posted by OHenryPacey at 1:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


That 360 degree stream is hilarious. Did they do that for the RNC too?
posted by roll truck roll at 1:33 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh, that first panel.

With the stiff-arm salutes in the background. Yeah.
posted by zarq at 1:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Have I just fallen in with a really weird group of people on facebook? I hope so, because there's a truly alarming number of Bernie or Busters appearing in my facebook feed. One guy said that Clinton and Trump were totally interchangeable, two sides of the same corporate oligarchic coin, etc. I posted this exhaustive list of insane, terrifying shit that Donald Trump has said to indicate that there is, in fact, a very appreciable difference between the two candidates. He said I could go on burying my head in the sand if I wanted to, and he'd be voting for Jill Stein. I'm like, hhhnnnngnnnnnnnnnggggg
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 1:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


Whatever the rhetoric, I'm really looking forward to seeing if they manage to get some Progressives elected. This is how lasting political change is made -- by building support from the ground up.

What do they think this is, 1968?
posted by ZenMasterThis at 1:35 PM on July 26, 2016


Weirdly nobody has accidentally done a form perfect Seig Heil on stage at the DNC, despite assurances that it's just one of those things that happen.
posted by Artw at 1:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [58 favorites]


With the stiff-arm salutes in the background. Yeah.

Sheriff's salutes.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


I can get behind this prayer.
posted by bearwife at 1:36 PM on July 26, 2016


I expect the whips will have been out today and it'll be calmer. I'm more worried about the Big Dog stepping in it.

OK, I'm even more worried that the Busters will bait him into saying something stupid.
posted by dw at 1:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam! A lot of us are seeing stuff like that. Personally, I've opted to unfollow most of the people posting the craziest stuff right now. I'll refollow them later. I'm not the person who is going to change their mind because I'm way, way to GRAR SUPREME COURT. I encourage you to do the same for your own piece of mind.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


For all of his many faults, of course Bill Clinton will give an amazing speech. That's, like, what he does.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 1:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I hope so, because there's a truly alarming number of Bernie or Busters appearing in my facebook feed. One guy said that Clinton and Trump were totally interchangeable, two sides of the same corporate oligarchic coin, etc.

I've been seeing this on my feed, too, and I am not engaging (I just post the "Shocked Horror" emoticon).
posted by infinitywaltz at 1:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Go to youtube. On the left, there's a link that says "Live". Click on it. You'll see all the live feeds including the DNC one.

Here's the one I have open in the background:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fw7XiCJL4M
posted by I-baLL at 1:39 PM on July 26, 2016


DNC opening filled with people of all sorts of abilities. A woman in the wheelchair led the pledge of allegiance. The anthem speaker is blind.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


What time are the don't miss bits, today? I'm trying to not have the TV on for six hours like I did yesterday....
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:39 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm a Fudge backer! (am i doing this right?)

She's my rep -- the 11th district, the bluest and blackest congressional district in Ohio.

We were lucky to get her when Stephanie Tubbs Jones died suddenly in 2008.
 
posted by Herodios at 1:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Goddamnit!! ALLERGIES AGAIN!! how am i to survive the day, yet alone the entire convention!!
posted by ramix at 1:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait, Chuck Woolery is not only still alive, but on Twitter?
posted by zennie at 1:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


The most rabid Bernie supporter "friend" on my FB wall is a prominent female sociologist at a Big Ten university. When she posted the meme of Bill Clinton with the words "I chose other women over Hillary, so should you" I unfollowed her.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 1:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


I haven't seen any crazy stuff at all on my Facebook feed. A few pro- and anti-Clinton articles here and there, but nothing close to the insanity that is apparently some feeds. I know exactly one guy who went all "Bernie or bust," but even he's mostly posting stuff about running.
posted by teponaztli at 1:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Thankfully, I follow very little family on Facebook--mostly because my side of the family has, like, no use for Internet in their lives at all; it's weird--but the ones I do follow are Canadian or Canadians living in the UK (my husband's family). I refuse to engage on political fights or post political comments with anyone else, mostly because I already know how shitty everyone is about this election elsewhere in the world and frankly, posting until I'm blue in the face with people who aren't going to change their minds is a waste of my time.

So all of you with family and friends who are being jerks about this on Facebook? My sympathies. Remember self-care.
posted by Kitteh at 1:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Both of these anthem singers have been so great.
posted by penduluum at 1:41 PM on July 26, 2016


I am literally watching the convention (and Metafilter) while sobbing and eating guacamole with a spoon, out of a giant bowl I made this morning.

I may need an intervention.
posted by Superplin at 1:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


Don't Sunday comics have to be turned in six weeks ahead of time? Trudeau knows what's up.

Trudeau has been uncannily telling the future since about the Vietnam War. It's amazing.
posted by sideshow at 1:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


MSNBC is interviewing Jill Stein. Oh god.
posted by cashman at 1:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I posted this exhaustive list of insane, terrifying shit that Donald Trump has said ...

My god, this list sounds like some of my older relatives talking.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 1:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am literally watching the convention (and Metafilter) while sobbing and eating guacamole with a spoon, out of a giant bowl I made this morning.

I want to go to there.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


I don't really use Facebook, I just lurk. I have one Berner on my feed and she's going to be voting for Hillary due to Trump-fear, but she's terrified because of course her feed is full of Busters and she's convinced that like literally no one will vote for Hillary. Meanwhile, the rest of my feed is all Middle American middle-aged moms (some queer, some trans, mostly flyover-dwelling) and they're all totes in the tank for Hilldawg.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm pretty sure Tom Harkin, who knows sign language and used it on the floor of the Senate when the ADA was passed just quickly greeted the group on stage in sign language before he spoke.
posted by zachlipton at 1:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Come on over, Joey Michaels. There's plenty left!
I can also make margaritas for us, fyi.
posted by Superplin at 1:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


DNC opening filled with people of all sorts of abilities. A woman in the wheelchair led the pledge of allegiance. The anthem speaker is blind.

This week is the 26th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Here's some more pollen for everybody's allergies.
posted by zombieflanders at 1:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The only Buster I've seen in my Facebook feed is my oldest friend in the world. I've known him longer than anyone outside my family. So I can't exactly block or unfollow him. I also know how little he actually pays attention to politics and he lives in a state that's going to the Republicans no matter what like it always does, so I'm not too worried. Lots of emotions right now but things'll calm down.
posted by downtohisturtles at 1:44 PM on July 26, 2016


I may need an intervention.

You need flour tortilla chips.
posted by Taft at 1:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Have I just fallen in with a really weird group of people on facebook? I hope so, because there's a truly alarming number of Bernie or Busters appearing in my facebook feed.

I think this is just their moment to scream. If Obama had lost the nomination in 2008 I'd have needed that chance too.
posted by argybarg at 1:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wait, Chuck Woolery is not only still alive, but on Twitter?

God, that pinned Tweet at the top. I'm sitting on my hands not to send a reply simply consisting of: "*your."
posted by infinitywaltz at 1:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?
posted by Faint of Butt at 1:45 PM on July 26, 2016


"Nothing about us without us," very nice to hear.
posted by gilrain at 1:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


MSNBC is interviewing Jill Stein. Oh god.

MSNBC: we're not biased! otherwise why would we intentionally hurt our own core audience??
posted by numaner at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


when is it EVER paid provocateurs?
posted by dismas at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Now Sen. Harkin is teaching the audience to sign the word "America." I love that disability rights are a part of civil rights for the Clinton campaign.
posted by zachlipton at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


About the ADA - if you have never seen the short clip about The Capitol Crawl that shamed legislators into passing the law - awesome!
posted by madamjujujive at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Oh jeeze, this sign language sign for America thing just made me cry.
posted by yasaman at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tom Harkin teaching everyone the ASL for "America" is so lovely, what a great way to start the evening.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Teaching the ASL sign for "America". I didn't know it; thought he was being a little cheesy at first, but damn that really is an inspiring sign.
posted by gilrain at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

You mean besides /r/SFP and Occam's Razor?
posted by Talez at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Whew, Harkin just taught me my first signed word and make me tear up at the same time.
posted by bearwife at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016


I have goosebumps already. I'm so easy, yinz guys.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016


The most rabid Bernie supporter "friend" on my FB wall is a prominent female sociologist at a Big Ten university. When she posted the meme of Bill Clinton with the words "I chose other women over Hillary, so should you" I unfollowed her.

I know an unfortunate number of gender/queer studies female academics who appear to be taking the "I'm a feminist academic so there's no way any of my offensive critiques of Clinton could be sexist" approach. :(

Like, "I'm against sexism, but I'll make an exception for Clinton."
posted by schroedinger at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I am literally watching the convention (and Metafilter) while sobbing and eating guacamole with a spoon, out of a giant bowl I made this morning.

You made a giant bowl just to watch the DNC? That is dedication!
posted by kokaku at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Damn. Tom Harkin just made me cry.
posted by chaoticgood at 1:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Damn that was really moving, the ASL sign for "America."
posted by penduluum at 1:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


And here we go with the "Bernie Sanders!" chants
posted by zachlipton at 1:47 PM on July 26, 2016


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

Literally the entire primary?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 1:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


As a thoroughgoing policy geek, I unabashedly love Bill Clinton speeches. Whether you align with his politics or not (I'm much farther to the left than he is), the guy can talk about income bracket donut holes in the most down home way.
posted by dry white toast at 1:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm not hearing much dissent in the crowd, though I'm not hearing much crowd at all. Maybe they tamped down the audio mix.
posted by dnash at 1:48 PM on July 26, 2016


I am really happy they are going all-in on an ADA thing today.
posted by dw at 1:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


LOLOLZ forever "Hip to be Square"
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Hip to be Square"?!

...I guess it actually fits with Clinton's appeal.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 1:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

There's a subset of Sanders supporters who are just plain nuts, take Cousin Eddie for example.
posted by cmfletcher at 1:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Hip to be Square"

Pandering to undecided mass murderers?
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


They should have had "What Rhymes with Alison Lundergan Grimes" as her walking-out music. That thing was absurdly catchy and I still sing it to myself.
posted by Pfardentrott at 1:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ugh, Jill Stein just Jill Steined all over MSNBC
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 1:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I found this vox piece to be a really interesting perspective on the Berners, especially considering Vox's love for Hillary
posted by R.F.Simpson at 1:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


What time is the roll call scheduled for?
posted by mynameisluka at 1:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Anyone worried about the Bernie-or-Bust vitriol they might be seeing should keep in mind that polls show that something like 90% of Sanders supporters are going to vote Clinton. This is a case of the angriest people being the loudest and so having an outsized presence, because the people who have moved on aren't going to be the ones raging online.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


There was a little Bernie chanting, but it's muted today compared to yesterday.
posted by dw at 1:50 PM on July 26, 2016


> What time is the roll call scheduled for

The best I can find is "around 6:00."
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:50 PM on July 26, 2016


Never mind. 5 p.m. Eastern for the reading-comprehesion-lacking like me.
posted by mynameisluka at 1:51 PM on July 26, 2016


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

O, that way madness lies; let me shun that;
No more of that.
King Lear, Act 3, Scene 4.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 1:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


At least that's what it says on the C-SPAN site.
posted by mynameisluka at 1:51 PM on July 26, 2016


What time is the roll call scheduled for?

It's after this speech according to the C-SPAN schedule.
posted by zachlipton at 1:51 PM on July 26, 2016


Looking foreward to Streep, myself. Nobody does it like Streep.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 1:52 PM on July 26, 2016


See? She eats... uh... buffalo wings! She's just like us!

Please just talk policy to me, I don't care what she eats.
posted by OverlappingElvis at 1:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

As a paid shill I can assure you that my corporate masters had no part in that.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh prime tiny hands joke opportunity missed.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I was very happy to see that the guy who started Berning up my fb feed waaaay back before everyone else was talking about him posted something about how we all need to come to grips with reality and get behind Clinton today. 200+ likes and only one white dude in the comments insisting that he could never vote for a "pro-war, corporatist" candidate no matter what.

and since my previous comment was crushed under the iron heel of moderation: Bill goes 72 minutes
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Update from my dad at the convention: the place he's staying at was out of coffee this morning and he had to go out to buy some. That's not quite what I was asking when I asked how the convention was going, but at least he's doing alright. No further updates.
posted by teponaztli at 1:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [57 favorites]


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

Here is a pretty balanced look at a few of the boo-ers from the California delegation, and it includes a bit about the economics of getting a delegate to the convention:

Enriquez feels an obligation, as someone who’s traveling on other Sanders supporters’ dimes, to be vocal in the arena. “When I get home,” he said, “I have to explain myself to all those people.” Did he do everything he could? This is a pressure that many of Sanders supporters are operating under.

So, they're not paid provocateurs, but they may feel a moral obligation to provoke, that is the result of a financial contribution.
posted by acidic at 1:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I have seen here eat tamales, corn husk and all.
posted by Taft at 1:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm crying just thinking about the roll call. I'm going to see a goddam woman nominated. A woman. My kids are going to see it. Holy shit.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


More clever messaging with the signs today. "Do the most good"

It's a message everyone can hold and unify around.
posted by zachlipton at 1:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I see you're using the "Price is Right" method of estimating time.

No, if so, the answer would be 1 minute.
posted by dw at 1:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Here comes the Fudge...
posted by Devonian at 1:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


On the paid provocateurs notion, forget it. There are some Bernie supporters that bad - and a smart republican party might have been trying to highlight them and make sure they went to the convention. You seldom need to pay cranks - instead you find ones who will do it for free.
posted by Francis at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Update from my dad at the convention: the place he's staying at was out of coffee this morning and he had to go out to buy some. That's not quite what I was asking when I asked how the convention was going...

Dads gonna dad.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


teponaztli, that update is like Peak Dad.
posted by palindromic at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


You guys, a friend of mine who's been a very vocal and angry/angsty Sanders supporter, whom I've only recently started engaging in a very soft way, sent me a Facebook message to THANK ME for helping him to get out of his usual bubble and gain a bit more perspective on the election.

He wrote, "I think you are an amazingly thoughtful and lovely person, and I really am glad to hear your tempered and reasonable voice in the midst of so much outrage (whether that outrage is justified or not) because not many hearts and minds are being won over by "grow up and fall in line." ya know?"

This is yet another reason why I'm sobbing into my guacamole. I have everyone here to thank for this, because I learn so much and you all help keep me (relatively) sane throughout this process.

I appreciate you all, is what I'm trying to say.
posted by Superplin at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [93 favorites]


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

IDK why it's hard to believe that a fraction of the losing candidate's delegates might be genuinely pissed off and annoyingly loud about it, particularly considering that their candidate was the explicitly "overturn the establishment" guy.
posted by showbiz_liz at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Ok chums, I'm going to go buy some Tequila, Cointreau, and limes. For.... reasons.
posted by Justinian at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


The Dems are making me cry again.
posted by spinifex23 at 1:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey so if you feel like MeFi isn't enough convention action for you, my husbands project for the Buzzfeed Open Lab is this bot. (Please forgive but I think it's pretty cool.)
posted by dame at 1:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Has the house band played "Let's Stay Together" yet or are they saving that only for in case it gets really tense later?
posted by EatTheWeak at 1:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hi Can You Give Me An Actual Substantive Update About The Convention, I'm Dad
posted by griphus at 1:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [40 favorites]


Has the house band played "Let's Stay Together" yet or are they saving that only for in case it gets really tense later?

They played "Let's Go Crazy" before it even started yesterday. I don't think the band is interested in calming people down.
posted by zachlipton at 1:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I hope so, because there's a truly alarming number of Bernie or Busters appearing in my facebook feed. One guy said that Clinton and Trump were totally interchangeable, two sides of the same corporate oligarchic coin, etc."

This is not the Bernie people. This is the Trump organization, trying to peel off the votes necessary for the win. This is an attempt to discourage voting, emulating ex-Bernie supporters.
posted by Oyéah at 2:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?
posted by stolyarova at 2:00 PM on July 26, 2016


wooo! my own state's Barbara Mikulski will officially nominate Hillary!
posted by numaner at 2:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Welp first nomination for bernie
posted by AlexiaSky at 2:01 PM on July 26, 2016


He wrote, "I think you are an amazingly thoughtful and lovely person, and I really am glad to hear your tempered and reasonable voice

Sounds like someone has a crush on you.
posted by porpoise at 2:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He sounds like the guy who installed my FiOS connection.
posted by Talez at 2:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


HOORAY
posted by poffin boffin at 2:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


A follow-up on the Capitol Crawl link that madamjujujive posted above:
She went out to a restaurant with the members of ADAPT and they were refused service because, as the restaurant staff told them, “People don’t want to watch you all eat.”
posted by clawsoon at 2:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


IT'S ALL I EVER WANTED
posted by poffin boffin at 2:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


TOO MANY FLIES TOO MANY FLIES
posted by poffin boffin at 2:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?

Works for me!
posted by homunculus at 2:03 PM on July 26, 2016


Paul Feeney is great - real old-school Labor!
posted by kalimac at 2:03 PM on July 26, 2016


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?

I'd follow that kick ass mocha surfing goddess to the ends of the Earth.
posted by Talez at 2:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is not the Bernie people. This is the Trump organization, trying to peel off the votes necessary for the win.

Yeah, no. I know plenty of people, who have long been hardcore idealistic (read: unrealistic) anarchists / socialists / etc. and vehemently opposed to any kind of right-wing ideology, who are on the BoB train. There's no need to posit a conspiracy to explain it.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 2:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I would also accept Booker/Gabbard, I just love them both so much <3
posted by stolyarova at 2:05 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is it hard to believe that a fraction of the supporters of Sanders were just Hillary-Haters who had nobody else to choose from?
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Tom Harkin teaching everyone the ASL for "America"

And here we go with the "Bernie Sanders!" chants


Maybe Harkin could teach them to sign their chants, just for this evening.
 
posted by Herodios at 2:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


You seldom need to pay cranks - instead you find ones who will do it for free.
posted by Francis at 4:56 PM on July 26


I don't think that all Bernie supporters voicing their concerns are cranks and I don't think that's a fair assessment. There are legitimate concerns with Clinton's capability of beating Donald Trump in the general election. Additionally, those Sanders delegates have people they answer to in their home states. They deserve to be vocal and were chosen to support their candidate.

This is part of the Democratic process. Hollering one way or the other may not be pretty, but this is how groups ensure their voices are heard. I would expect Clinton delegates would have done the same if the roles were reversed.

And like it or not, the DNC email leaks are match to kindling and encouraged such behavior. Despite my support for Sanders, I hope last night's speeches helped bring some solidarity.
posted by glaucon at 2:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Because some of us have actually talked to individual human beings who are Bernie-or-Bust and know that just being shitwhistles does not describe them?
posted by beerperson at 2:07 PM on July 26, 2016


Quick question for those of you who braved the RNC: did any of the speakers talk about love as much as the DNC speakers have? Gabbard's speech just reminded me of it, but Booker emphasized it last night too.
posted by yasaman at 2:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


porpoise: Sounds like someone has a crush on you.
Ha! No. He is married to an amazing woman, and they are both poets. Effusiveness is part of the package.
posted by Superplin at 2:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Quick question for those of you who braved the RNC: did any of the speakers talk about love as much as the DNC speakers have?

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA--

Oh, wait, you were serious? Uh, no.
posted by dersins at 2:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


God no "love" didn't appear more than twice in the RNC speeches.
posted by stolyarova at 2:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


twice is generous tbh
posted by stolyarova at 2:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hollering one way or the other may not be pretty, but this is how groups ensure their voices are heard. I would expect Clinton delegates would have done the same if the roles were reversed.

2008 was only eight years ago. You don't have to expect anything, you can remember what happened. And they cheered their asses off for Obama.
posted by Justinian at 2:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


This crowd needs to take a chillary pillary.
posted by Taft at 2:11 PM on July 26, 2016


Quick question for those of you who braved the RNC: did any of the speakers talk about love as much as the DNC speakers have? Gabbard's speech just reminded me of it, but Booker emphasized it last night too.

I believe HRC specifically selected "Love" as the/a theme of her campaign early on.

Who could have suspected then that the RNC would be running agin it?
 
posted by Herodios at 2:12 PM on July 26, 2016


So much less booing today. What a relief!
posted by stolyarova at 2:12 PM on July 26, 2016


SENATOR BARB! She was my senator for the first 27 years of my life. I had the honor of seeing her in action last summer at a full Senate Appropriations committee hearing. The room was PACKED, and she was tiny, and she took no shit and suffered no fools.
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 2:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Barbara Mikulski is a badass.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 2:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I love how much they had to lower the lectern for her.
posted by dersins at 2:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


***update 2*** ran into one of my crunchy granola s'more providing friends today at work; she's on the whambulance and I'm on the ladder. I cornered her and shouted [direct quote] "SUPREME COURT NADER YOU HAVE A DAUGHTER SWING STATE" and she replied..."ok ok; I'm *thinking* about voting Hillary. [my husband] still regrets his Nader moment. It's just hard because I have issues with Hillary I haven't investigated yet." Disclosure: they're about 3ish years older than me, so some mid-30s. Imagine having voted Nader in your first eligible US presidential election; I'd be attempting to redeem myself for the rest of my life.

Also discussed how it would be great for Bill to just get up there and start with the saxophone.

And apparently Firepit Friday has morphed into large lefty gathering Friday and there is a local candidate they want me to meet. So I got that going for me.
posted by sara is disenchanted at 2:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


There's something in my eye.
posted by mrzarquon at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016


♫ This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine ♫
posted by OverlappingElvis at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016


More clever messaging with the signs today. "Do the most good"

It's a message everyone can hold and unify around.


I know people who are all over the idea of Trump doing enough damage so that "real progress can be made". I expect those people to be voting for H.G.Wells War of the World's Artilleryman.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


AW YEAH JOHN LEWIS RAISE SOME HELL
posted by stolyarova at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


JOHN LEWIS IN THE HOUSE MOTHERFUCKERS! YOU GIVE HIM YOUR GOD DAMNED RESPECT!
posted by Talez at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh shit, and now it's John Lewis.

I'm going to be worthless in my 3pm meeting today.
posted by mrzarquon at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016


[Several comments deleted, "just how bad are sanders supporters" vs "or are they?" is a really unrewarding topic on both sides, stop this.]
posted by LobsterMitten at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


John Lewis. STAND UP.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


If you heckle John Lewis I WILL PUNCH YOU.

(I am trying to explain to my kids who everyone is and failing because every time I speak I start crying, oh my god, me.)
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


He sounds teary. ;_;
posted by stolyarova at 2:16 PM on July 26, 2016


I love that this convention is introducing me to more totally awesome women in politics I should probably already know about but don't know about and now my life is richer for them.
posted by phunniemee at 2:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


One of the greatest privileges I've ever had was to cast a vote for John Lewis.
posted by goHermGO at 2:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Eisner-winner John Lewis!
posted by palindromic at 2:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


[Fixed Michelle Obama speech link]
posted by LobsterMitten at 2:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm pretty sure that God Almighty will fucking smite anyone who boos John Lewis. But I heard that the Bernie delegates have been read the riot act and they will not be booing people of color tonight.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


> Also discussed how it would be great for Bill to just get up there and start with the saxophone.

Rehearsal footage of Bill's speech, tonight.
posted by gilrain at 2:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"She'll fight for the macro issues - and the macaroni and cheese issues."

Ooooof. That is Vogon poetry-level speech writing.
posted by dry white toast at 2:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I love that this convention is introducing me to more totally awesome women in politics I should probably already know about but don't know about and now my life is richer for them.

Every Democratic woman in the House will be on stage after the Roll Call. It's going to be great.
posted by zachlipton at 2:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"She could have done anything with her life, but she decided long ago that she didn't just want to do well. She wanted to do GOOD." YESSSS!
posted by acidic at 2:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


> I heard that the Bernie delegates have been read the riot act

Who told them? Who are the rowdy ones listening to?
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:18 PM on July 26, 2016


Who told them? Who are the rowdy ones listening to?

Twitter.
posted by dersins at 2:19 PM on July 26, 2016




funny joke gilrain, but here's some actual footage of him practicing for tonight
posted by dismas at 2:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I was born on a dirt floor to a woman whose name I will never know."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Goddammit I'm going to run out of favorites.
posted by sara is disenchanted at 2:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Na’ilah Amaru is the campaign's contest winner, FYI.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


With the mentions of ASL and other disabilities above, I do have to wonder what the accommodations on the floor are like. Are there ASL interpreters? Closed-captioning on the video monitors? Is the venue reasonably wheelchair-accessible?
posted by tobascodagama at 2:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Who told them? Who are the rowdy ones listening to?
What they said was that the New York delegation had a meeting, and they all made a pact that they would not boo anyone talking about civil rights or racial justice issues. They may do "positive" chants like "Bernie, Bernie," which is frankly not a good sign as far as I'm concerned. They said it was just the New York delegation who made the pact, but they thought that similar stuff was going on with other delegations. I think that the Elijah Cummings thing did not go over well.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


AHHHHH THIS IS IT THE ROLL CALL
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:23 PM on July 26, 2016


THIS IS WHEN IT HAPPENS
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:23 PM on July 26, 2016


THIS IS WHEN WE GET A WOMAN AS THE NOMINEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Amaru is excellent.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


More madness coming out.
posted by Talez at 2:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Are there ASL interpreters?

When the camera pulls back, you can see the ASL interpreter for at least some of the speeches. I have admittedly been listening more than watching, so I don't know if the interpreter is there all the time.
posted by yasaman at 2:25 PM on July 26, 2016


wait is this not the convention for Deez Nutz
posted by beerperson at 2:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I assume there will be a message in my inbox soon regarding a new limited edition HISTORY IS MADE button/magnet set with today's date.
posted by palindromic at 2:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"to rumble"
posted by mrzarquon at 2:25 PM on July 26, 2016


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?

Unfortunately she's anti-choice, sooooo, yeah, not for me.
posted by schroedinger at 2:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?

Given her more conservative past, I doubt it.
posted by NoxAeternum at 2:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Don't you have one more?" lol
posted by thefoxgod at 2:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Virtually in the room where it happens. I feel like an interloping Aaron Burr (sir).
posted by Superplin at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Poor Alabama: "Don't y'all have one more?"
posted by palindromic at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


More madness coming out.

Wow, if there was ever a [citation needed] it is here.
posted by schroedinger at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016


"Don't y'all have one more? I'll count it as an abstention"

THE FIX IS IN GUYS.
posted by acidic at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is gonna take foreeeeeeveeeeeeeeer
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


With the mentions of ASL and other disabilities above, I do have to wonder what the accommodations on the floor are like. Are there ASL interpreters? Closed-captioning on the video monitors? Is the venue reasonably wheelchair-accessible?

I'm glad you asked. I happened to notice this press release the convention put out last week: 2016 Democratic National Convention Announces Plans to Make this the Most Accessible Convention Ever

In short, you name it, it looks like they've considered it. I'd be curious to hear reports from delegates about how it's all worked out in practice, because it's never perfect, but it seems like they're saying the right things.
posted by zachlipton at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Someone should tell the crowd that cheering for receding glaciers doesn't look great on TV.
posted by OverlappingElvis at 2:28 PM on July 26, 2016


Classy, Alaska. That's how you do it.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Nooooo I'm stuck in the waiting room of a car dealership waiting for repairs to be done and I'm missing everything! Please continue to be awesome and post about what's happening.
posted by Salieri at 2:28 PM on July 26, 2016


American Samoa ought to be a state.
posted by cooker girl at 2:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


FASHION NEWS I was tickled to read that Michelle's blue dress that she wore last night was designed by Christian Siriano. I was a big Project Runway Fan back when it was on Bravo.

Also I haaaate that I cannot watch for 6 hours straight AND read every single one of your comments AND every single link. I try, I really try. I've been reading this thread off and on for several hours and only just caught up.

Anyhoo. On with the show. Alaska is voting for the "Inspiring Bernie Sanders."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


wait is this not the convention for Deez Nutz

Some of deez. Some of doze. Plenty of nuts to go around.
posted by rokusan at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Alabama and Alaska and I'm already teary.
posted by psoas at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016


Unfortunately she's anti-choice, sooooo, yeah, not for me.

Quick Google search suggests she calls herself pro-choice, is endorsed by Emily's List, and sponsored the Women's Health Protection Act.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016


"If you'd give us more [votes] we'd cast them, too" - American Samoa
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


This is gonna take foreeeeeeveeeeeeeeer

Yeah but it's really sweet. When else do we get to hear from America Samoa?
posted by zachlipton at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"AND IF YOU GIVE US MORE, WE'LL CAST THOSE TOO" <3 <3 <3
posted by acidic at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Someone on my Twitter feed, who I'd call a progressive, said he doesn't trust Hillary (but will still vote for her because Trump). This got me thinking about what we mean when we talk about trusting politicians.

Is it about not trusting Hillary to use good judgement based on things like her Iraq vote? Is it not believing she is going to fulfill her campaign promises? Is it feeling like she will only use the Presidency to her benefit? If that's the case why would you trust any politician ever?

By the same token, think about Trump in the context of trust. I don't trust him to make the lives of Americans better, but I also think I can trust that he is exactly the racist, misogynist demagogue he purports to be.

So I don't know that trust is a thing in the democratic process. Maybe having faith in a politician is a better approach?
posted by dry white toast at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


My state is up! We are finally a swing state. And there's a 102-year-old woman there calling the nomination, wow. Crying now.
posted by Superplin at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is gonna take foreeeeeeveeeeeeeeer

This always takes forever. Every state has to give the most flowery tourism promotion speech ever, as it was in the beginning when the Democratic-Republicans first met and Virginia went on FOREVER.
posted by dw at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016


Go Gerry! 102!
posted by chapps at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


oh fuck yeah arizona lady
posted by dersins at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


No way you can boo a 102 year old woman cheering on the first woman president.
posted by palindromic at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


A 102-year-old woman voting for Hillary Clinton, how am I supposed to type through these tears?
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [52 favorites]


That Arizona Lady for Grandma of the World 2016
posted by penduluum at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh god, Arizona just made me cry.
posted by meese at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


that old lady casting Arizona's votes for Clinton just made my day
posted by subtle_squid at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


If the roll call took 15 hours it would still be worth it just to watch that 102 year old woman from Arizona cast her states votes for Clinton. She looks like she's been waiting a damn long time for this.
posted by zachlipton at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


I see I'm gonna cry my way through this. Just so much joy and so many diverse faces.
posted by yasaman at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


omg, that 102 year old lady casting for Hillary - it's only 5:30, I am going to be depleted of tears tonight.
posted by madamjujujive at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


American Samoa ought to be a state.

Yeah, but then people from Alabama would want to be called American Alabama.
posted by dry white toast at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Just started sobbing at the 102-year-old woman. Women didn't have the vote when she was born, and here she is announcing the votes for Hillary....
posted by kalimac at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [42 favorites]


When she was born, women couldn't vote. Now there will be a woman President.
posted by cooker girl at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Holy shit I think I'm gonna cry?
posted by schadenfrau at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


wait is this not the convention for Deez Nutz

'Deez Nuts' does not know what happened to America
posted by homunculus at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016


will wait until the second half of the alphabet to start drinking, because this isn't a sprint, it's a marathon
posted by palindromic at 2:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


OH GOD MY FEELS
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:32 PM on July 26, 2016


Yeah, Jerry!
posted by sideshow at 2:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The audio feed on Twitch clearly picked up the Arizona woman getting kissed on the cheek after she delivered her votes.

That's crowd noise I can get behind.
posted by rewil at 2:32 PM on July 26, 2016


Shit, is that Gray Davis?
posted by sideshow at 2:33 PM on July 26, 2016


Wait, is Jeffrey Tambor playing Jerry Brown?
posted by dw at 2:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I really thought the CA delegate was going to say "CALIFORNIA KNOWS HOW TO PARTY!"
posted by nakedmolerats at 2:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh hey, Jerry Brown, my governor! And Nancy Pelosi! And Kamala Harris! My state is doing okay.
posted by yasaman at 2:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Why no state beginning with the letter B?
posted by Devonian at 2:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


cooker girl: When she was born, women couldn't vote. Now there will be a woman President.

This is my adopted state, where I live in a liberal bubble of academics and artists, in a city with a Democratic mayor and the first openly bisexual congresswoman, but I can never forget that we are a red state. I am genuinely moved and, yes, doing the full-blown ugly cry of happiness for my state for the first time in the eight years I've lived here.
posted by Superplin at 2:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh, RNC, THIS is how you do it. With every vote counted. With every candidate respected. With every state and territory speaking. This is more inspiring than anything I can say.
posted by bearwife at 2:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Shit, is that Gray Davis?

No, we recalled him because car registration fees were too high or something.
posted by zachlipton at 2:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


The states absolutely cannot hear the speaker once the cheers begin with their name being called, which is both kind of adorable and pretty annoying. There's a lot of I'm-on-a-cellphone-and-you're-on-a-land-line-style overtalking.
posted by penduluum at 2:35 PM on July 26, 2016


I like the "here's some neat stuff about our state" intros.
posted by EatTheWeak at 2:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Also I think I'm still in favorites debtor's prison, so just everyone consider yourself enthusiastically favorited

WE ARE GONNA HAVE A LADY NOMINEE

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
posted by schadenfrau at 2:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wait, is Jeffrey Tambor playing Jerry Brown?

Shit, you've discovered his double life!
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Connecticut Pizza, Represent!
posted by mrzarquon at 2:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why no state beginning with the letter B?

BENNSYLVANIA WOULD LIKE A WORD
posted by beerperson at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


One guy in CT has scribbled over his "Do the most good" sign to make it read "do the least harm." I'll take it.
posted by zachlipton at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


That guy has crossed out Most and Good, and amended his sign to Do The Least Harm. What? Is that a Bernie protest thing?
posted by gilrain at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016


Telling my husband about the AZ delegate and weeping openly here. I'm not even watching! I'm just reading along with you fine folks!
posted by merriment at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016


Who's the douchebro with the "do the least harm" sign?
posted by dersins at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I love the cavalcade of regional accents. It's like the Miss Universe National Costumes, but for the voice!
posted by palindromic at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"and more importantly the home of the pizza and the hamburger"

I love you Connecticut

I love you Connecticut pizza
posted by pemberkins at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


No, we recalled him because car registration fees were too high or something.

No, behind Pelosi. That was definitely Former Governor Gray Davis.
posted by sideshow at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016


as it was in the beginning... When Virginia went on FOREVER.

If ever a speech should start with Daveed Diggs singing What'd I Miss?...
posted by rokusan at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Holy shit why do these speakers keep jumping the gun, wait for her to ask how you cast your votes before you start talking
posted by DynamiteToast at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"tax free shopping"
posted by mrzarquon at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016


Delaware: "Home to tax-free shopping."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016


Delaware had to slip "tax-free shopping" in there, didn't they?
posted by dw at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016


Tax-free shopping? Hi, I'm in Delaware.
posted by palindromic at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Kevlar, and nylon, and Gortex? Respect.
posted by beau jackson at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy shit why do these speakers keep jumping the gun

They're not trained public speakers and they're amped up.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


omg this list of Delaware accomplishments is TOO precious. The home of tax-free shopping! of Kevlar! of Elena Delle Donne!
posted by acidic at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016


It's the day after, slightly less tasteless- a pop cultural musical send-off (unintentionally well-synched!) for the Sanders candidacy.
posted by Apocryphon at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Hahaha wait who gets to represent the Democrats abroad? Like do they fly back?
posted by schadenfrau at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Democrats abroad. Love you guys. So glad they're here.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Democrats abroad - shoutout to taz ;-)
posted by madamjujujive at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Democrats Abroad, how do you cast your votes?"

Distantly?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Holy shit why do these speakers keep jumping the gun, wait for her to ask how you cast your votes before you start talking

Nerves, plus I bet it's tough to hear in there.
posted by EatTheWeak at 2:39 PM on July 26, 2016


I love that they are not pros
posted by Tarumba at 2:39 PM on July 26, 2016


Aw, Bernie's brother. So sweet.
posted by cooker girl at 2:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Sanders's brother is making me cry. ;_;
posted by stolyarova at 2:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Holy moley, Sanders' brother sounds just like him.
posted by waitingtoderail at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Larry Sanders, Bernie Sanders' brother, looks juuuuuust enough like Garry Shandling that I'm minorly freaking out.
posted by penduluum at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Awww, Larry Sanders.
posted by joedan at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just desperately want Beyoncé to have a surprise performance of Formation by the end of the week. Is that too much to ask?
posted by Andrhia at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yay Larry Sanders! Big virtual hug from a fellow member of the tribe.
posted by bearwife at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016


Is this guy the real Larry Sanders?
posted by ricochet biscuit at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016


Aww, Bernie's brother is super emotional
posted by kalimac at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016


Why no state beginning with the letter B?

Obvious conspiracy to marginalize voters in Balabama and Bidaho?
posted by rokusan at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The 102 year old whose voice enthusiastically cracked made me shed a tear.
posted by AlexiaSky at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


No, behind Pelosi. That was definitely Former Governor Gray Davis.

Wow yeah. It was.
posted by zachlipton at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016


Ok, best Bernie Bro of them all. How it's done, brothers.
posted by chapps at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


I just tuned in and I'm crying again already.
posted by biogeo at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Haha the way she said "DISTRICT... DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA" made me feel like I was watching the Hunger Games and she was about to say "DISTRICT TEN!" or something.
posted by stolyarova at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Tuned in just in time to see Bernie's brother cast his vote. How can I be teary already? I am not sufficiently hydrated for this.
posted by vverse23 at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Brother love between the Sanders lads oh god now I'm crying
posted by EatTheWeak at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I know me too I'm crying already shit
posted by Tarumba at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016


I love how everyone hugs and reassures their fellow state members who speak - so nice!
posted by madamjujujive at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


DC Statehood movement. Fuck Yeah.
posted by mrzarquon at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Tearing up at Larry Sanders' emotional tribute to their parents.

and next up, DC STATEHOOD WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


See, I told you that Bernie Bros weren't a myth!
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


Larry Sanders, Bernie Sanders' brother, looks juuuuuust enough like Garry Shandling that I'm minorly freaking out.

Oh good it's not just me.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Larry Sanders, Bernie Sanders' brother, looks juuuuuust enough like Garry Shandling that I'm minorly freaking out.

Wait, wasn't Garry Shandling's big role as Larry Sanders? What the hell is going on there?
posted by clawsoon at 2:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


(I guess that's actually Bernie Bro, singular. Does Bernie have any other brothers?)
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:42 PM on July 26, 2016


I thought Sanders got 73 votes in Florida?
posted by Talez at 2:43 PM on July 26, 2016


Wait, wasn't Garry Shandling's big role as Larry Sanders? What the hell is going on there?

It's Garry Shandling's universe, we're just living in it
posted by beerperson at 2:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


It's Larry Sanders' show, how do you like it so far?
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Every time I hear "first female president," I get verklempt.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




YEAH JOHN LEWIS
posted by biogeo at 2:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


AWWW YEAH JOHN LEWIS IS BACK
posted by stolyarova at 2:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Mom and baby!
posted by Tarumba at 2:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


That baby has no gravitas.
posted by palindromic at 2:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'm irritated to see the buffering symbol on the official livestream. I'm charmed that it subtly evokes the Obama symbol. Real progress takes time and patience, nice reminder.
posted by EatTheWeak at 2:45 PM on July 26, 2016


You know, they might make Georgia blue this year. Trump is up by ONE point there, after his convention "bump."
posted by bearwife at 2:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Guam brought musical accompaniment!
posted by zachlipton at 2:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


John Lewis speaking. I am teary and it is not even my country.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 2:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Why is the one white person speaking for Guam?
posted by stolyarova at 2:45 PM on July 26, 2016


Guam got shirts! They're coordinated like an Olympic delegation. It's a good look.
posted by penduluum at 2:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


God, I love John Lewis. I know, I know, but it can't be said enough.
posted by skybluepink at 2:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Full self-determination? Guamxit?
posted by snofoam at 2:46 PM on July 26, 2016


Who knew democracy would make me so weepy.
posted by dry white toast at 2:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


EIGHT THOUSAND MILES! NINE TIME ZONES! TWELVE VOTES!
posted by psoas at 2:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I still want to know what happened to the missing Alabama vote. Have they tried looking for it on the floor? Maybe the guy vacuuming earlier picked it up by mistake.
posted by zachlipton at 2:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Brian Schatz was my state district rep before he became a State Senator. I dig him.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:47 PM on July 26, 2016


(I wish they'd let the Hawaiian woman give the vote count though, though)
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:48 PM on July 26, 2016


OK, the red white and blue kukui nut necklaces are cute.
posted by jamaro at 2:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


MSNBC showed John Lewis in the audience several times during the First Lady's speech last night. :)
posted by zarq at 2:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Glad that the crowd seems a lot more positive today than yesterday.
posted by joedan at 2:48 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is the one white person speaking for Guam?

How does the delegation choose who speaks?
posted by chapps at 2:48 PM on July 26, 2016


I love how dorky all these people are.
posted by phunniemee at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


OMG I want one of those Idaho VOTE hats LIKE DAMNNNNN
posted by penduluum at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


There is a bearded hipster from Idaho gleefully smiling at the camera. Man I love these people.
posted by Tarumba at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016


Idaho: "The longest undammed river in the United States."

Idaho Notdam.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Can someone assure me that this is all just a formality and that Hillary will clinch it? Every time I tune into the live stream the current state is giving Bernie a majority of their votes.
posted by like_neon at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is the one white person speaking for Guam?

Pretty sure that's Del. Madeleine Bordallo, Guam's non-voting Delegate to the House of Reps, their former Lt Governor and First Lady. She's also the highest ranking Democratic politician in Guam (the Gov and Lt Gov are Republican).
posted by tittergrrl at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Iowa least dorky so far!
posted by Tarumba at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016


This is so joyous. I can't stop smiling. I love when they pass the mic around, especially. I also love the weird things each delegation highlights. Idaho has America's deepest gorge! That's awesome! Way to go, Idaho!
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


When I hear 'Bern-ers', my mind automatically pictures Burners. (link possibly nsfw due to bodypainted lady bodies)
posted by palindromic at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016


like_neon, take a breath, we'll be cool.
posted by biogeo at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016


Aawww! :D
posted by gilrain at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh Betsy, I love you.
posted by mochapickle at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh wait
posted by Tarumba at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016


like_neon it's 1000 to 599. It's ok
posted by schadenfrau at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is the one white person speaking for Guam?

That's Madeline Bordallo, their congresswoman. Guess the people of Guam aren't as progressive as you'd like them to be.
posted by sideshow at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The roll call: It's our parade of nations.
posted by dw at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can someone assure me that this is all just a formality and that Hillary will clinch it? Every time I tune into the live stream the current state is giving Bernie a majority of their votes.

This is just a formality; Hillary will cinch it. She's always had more delegates.
posted by penduluum at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


When I hear 'Bern-ers', my mind automatically pictures Burners.

I'd be interested in a sociological study comparing for overlap, TBH.
posted by Andrhia at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh, Hillary's friend. I'm all teary now.
posted by skybluepink at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Indiana wrote a poem!
posted by schadenfrau at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Just now turned on the convention to see the Illinois delegation - very nice friendly collegiality as they cast their votes for Sanders and Clinton. :)
posted by Guy Smiley at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is just a formality, and also everyone is being positive and cooperative and great. So far no ugliness.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I like those "Pence, you're fired!" signs.
posted by biogeo at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Also, based on how Alabama's vote was questioned, the official vote paperwork has already been turned in. This is the dog and pony show part of it.
posted by sideshow at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016


Nice fuck you to Pence from the Indiana delegation: "Pence, you're fired!"
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'm in northern NV and that's also all I hear when they say "Berners." Plenty of overlap, I'm sure.
posted by stolyarova at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016


Poetry slam!
posted by gilrain at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can someone assure me that this is all just a formality and that Hillary will clinch it? Every time I tune into the live stream the current state is giving Bernie a majority of their votes.

They know what they're doing and wouldn't be doing this unless they were damn sure it was going to happen. Sanders won majorities in a lot of smaller states, but lost in a number of larger states, so there are more states that Sanders won, but more total delegates for Clinton.
posted by zachlipton at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Now that is great doggerel! And I love the idea of telling Trump and Pence they are fired!
posted by bearwife at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016


the guy can talk about income bracket donut holes in the most down home way

Also actual donut holes.
posted by kirkaracha at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nice delivery, Indiana!
posted by rewil at 2:53 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm so embarrassed to be nervous. I found a link I can use as my comfort blanket.
posted by like_neon at 2:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


ILLINOIS: Ok yes. I'm crying now. Are you happy? Hearing Hillary's friend close to tears made me close to tears. I wish Hillary's parents could have seen this.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


palindromic, there isn't a SMALL overlap....
posted by flaterik at 2:53 PM on July 26, 2016


Woo! First state U to admit women! Go Hawks!
posted by dirigibleman at 2:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Also, the dorky glory of the roll call is like the moment when my expat ass goes all hopelessly homesick.
posted by skybluepink at 2:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


No Jennsylvania, either, huh?
posted by dry white toast at 2:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


TIL that Kansas is the Sunflower State. That or this woman is wearing a giant sunflower for absolutely no reason.
posted by zachlipton at 2:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


IOWA: Ok does nobody else feel there is something a little weird about one woman and two men telling us about a First Woman to cross a barrier?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:56 PM on July 26, 2016


Kansas ☺

They brought flowers
posted by Tarumba at 2:56 PM on July 26, 2016


ProTip for the Kansas delegation: If "President Obama's mom was born here" is one of your claims to fame, get her maiden name right.
posted by tonycpsu at 2:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


So many women--so many black women, native women, old women and young women, and mothers--I didn't realize how much this would matter to me until I started watching them.
posted by meese at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


These assholes putting Bernie signs between these Indiana delegates and the camera need to sit the hell down.
posted by EatTheWeak at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


No Jennsylvania, either, huh?

If America was a Duggar, there'd be Jeorgia, sister of Jinger.
posted by palindromic at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Kansas is indeed the Sunflower State
posted by zarq at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016


Sunflowers and Jayhawks. Checks out.
posted by rewil at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016


That's heartwarming but I still can't stand the Jayhawks.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Kentucky bragging about whiskey. Love love love.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh, Louisiana's delegation looks fun.
posted by palindromic at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


That lady with the hat on is really excited.
posted by Annika Cicada at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Damnit, I'll be in an meeting when Hillary clinches. :(
posted by dw at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


"Louisiana knows that love Trumps hate."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't think Mardi Gras ever ends for that Louisiana delegate in the hat.
posted by zombieflanders at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I love you, Louisiana delegates.
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


I really need to get back to visit Louisiana.
posted by mochapickle at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Awesome post title. Someone wanna open up a window?
posted by rouftop at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


I want to party with Louisiana.
posted by bearwife at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


Thank you, Kentucky, for helping us get through the RNC
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


That's heartwarming but I still can't stand the Jayhawks.

That's fine; the correct choice is Wildcats anyways.
posted by pwnguin at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


Aw Louisiana I define you by your cuisine, don't worry!
posted by Tarumba at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


I absolutely love the LA lady in the hat. She looks like a trip!
posted by sara is disenchanted at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Kentucky bragging about whiskey. Love love love.

Don't forget the Derby! Horses and Bourbon and bluegrass.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This lady on the right is doing that thing where you're trying to sing along to a song on your car radio but you don't really know all the words so you're just kinda moving your lips in rhythm to the syllables
posted by penduluum at 3:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


What the hell was that guy from Indiana trying to get on camera? It was some kind of animal puppet? With yarn hair?
posted by cooker girl at 3:00 PM on July 26, 2016


Woot my home state of Louisiana taking it to 11!
posted by antinomia at 3:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Maine, home of Stephen King!
posted by lovecrafty at 3:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ok does nobody else feel there is something a little weird about one woman and two men telling us about a First Woman to cross a barrier?

As much as the RNC tried to condition me to expect the two men to be spitting on the floor, no. No I don't.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016


I am really charmed by how many speakers are calling her not just Hillary Clinton but Hillary Rodham Clinton.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


MURLIN IN THE HOUSE
posted by zombieflanders at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Maine: "Home of Stephen King."

Let's check in on him, shall we?

Stephen King: "One difference between Nixon and Trump: when the Republicans nominated Nixon, they didn't actually KNOW he was a crook."

Oooh, snap!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [53 favorites]


Woah, Madame Chairlady got excited for Maryland.
posted by biogeo at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


You know, I was just reflecting on the fact that the roll call of states is something we get to see only once every four years, and as time passes I find that I enjoy it more and more. I even enjoyed watching it last week at the RNC. People are so joyful and have such pride of place and many of them clearly have been slogging out the primaries, side by side, for months. Makes me want to chuck everything for the rest of the summer, load the family into the minivan and take a road trip.
posted by vverse23 at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Geography shoutout!
posted by dry white toast at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm reminded of watching the BBC coverage of the last UK General Election. Over there, they cut to a camera in the town hall of the local councils where all the candidates, even the fringe ones, stand on stage wearing their party-colored rosettes while the election official, wearing some sort of official looking badge around their neck, reads off the results and everyone gets to cheer for their local area. It's nice to put faces and voices to far-flung places instead of just numbers. It feels like democracy.
posted by zachlipton at 3:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh Louisiana: no natural disaster will define us.
posted by AlexiaSky at 3:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


What's the "clinch"/"over the top" number needed here? It's time for me to go home from work but I can stay here and watch a little longer if we're close...
posted by dnash at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016


Woah, Madame Chairlady got excited for Maryland.

She is the mayor of Baltimore.
posted by palindromic at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Massachusetts: Shoutout to the OG Tea Party.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Woah, Madame Chairlady got excited for Maryland.

She's the mayor of Balmur Baltimore.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016


What the hell was that guy from Indiana trying to get on camera? It was some kind of animal puppet? With yarn hair?

It looked like Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog.
posted by miguelcervantes at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The differences in the dialects across the country are wonderful to hear.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Massachusetts speaker just got a little hug/back rub from the lady standing next to him. I wonder if he was a bit nervous?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


MICHIGAN, wooo! Debbie Stabenow in the house!
posted by palindromic at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


> What's the "clinch"/"over the top" number needed here

2,383
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:05 PM on July 26, 2016


The clinch number is 2383
posted by cmfletcher at 3:05 PM on July 26, 2016


roll calls are always better with puppets, preferably robot puppets
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Minna-soda!
posted by Talez at 3:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


PRINCE. *sobs*
posted by mynameisluka at 3:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


MN is "the state of Prince's Purple Rain!"
posted by zachlipton at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Fuck yeah, Amy Klobuchar with the Prince shout-out.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yay, there's Michigan, time for my accent! Also, hello to my parents' Representative, who is standing right there. (and whose office helped me sort out my passport mess)
posted by skybluepink at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Aw yeah Prince callout!
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


MN rocking the purple.

Bless.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Pre-Minnesota tally is 1415-893.
posted by Talez at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016


This is the first time I've taken the time to watch the roll call during an American election. Even as a Canadian I know that it's an historic moment and I hell yeah I'm watching it live.

I'm enjoying way more then I thought I would. All the different people! The smiles! The different accents! It's great.
posted by Jalliah at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Minnesota Hooome of Purple Rain!
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016


Ferraro shoutout!
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Stuck at work and can't watch the roll call, which is one of my favorite parts of these conventions, so thank you so much for all your descriptive comments, guys. I am getting teary eyed just reading them. Love you, oh wacky country of mine, in all your e pluribus glory.
posted by longdaysjourney at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Well, I will say this -- Bernie Sanders is really going to bat in trying to quell the booing busters from what NPR is reporting.
posted by y2karl at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Amy Klobuchar momentarily bopping her head on Keith Ellison's shoulder :3
posted by Guy Smiley at 3:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Where was Michigan's tourism pitch, Stabenow? Come on - at least the Motown Museum, where even Beyonce visited!
posted by palindromic at 3:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]




FYI, I'm currently watching this CSPAN feed which has vote counts visible. The official DNC YouTube does not show the vote counts.
posted by dnash at 3:07 PM on July 26, 2016


That's fine; the correct choice is Wildcats anyways.

For morons, sure.
posted by nom de poop at 3:07 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm sorry I missed this - what state is going to put her over the top? New York, I'd assume?
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm trying to watch the live stream on YouTube but it's not showing anything, so I guess I missed the roll call? Oh never mind, it started at the beginning. Doh
posted by teponaztli at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016


Mississippi Home of the blues, B.B.King, and Elvis Presley. Nuff said.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Mississippi started a little nervous <3
posted by Tarumba at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016


So glad that someone acknowledged Fannie Lou Hamer.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Pre-Minnesota tally is 1415-893.

I would've plotzed if that first number had been one less!
posted by Celsius1414 at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fannie Lou Hamer shout-out, hooray!
posted by skybluepink at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


WOLVERINES
posted by beerperson at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Teponaztli I am watching the YouTube streamed version, no problems
posted by Tarumba at 3:09 PM on July 26, 2016


Try https://www.demconvention.com/live/ to live stream.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:09 PM on July 26, 2016


Are you watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fw7XiCJL4M teponaztli? Because its working for me.
posted by thefoxgod at 3:09 PM on July 26, 2016


ಠ_ಠ <-guy in the background
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Since we're talking about watching how different countries vote and do democracy around the world, this just happened: Monkeys in Thailand Are Not Very Happy About an Election. Also: "Two 8-year-old girls in the northern province of Kamphaeng Phet were charged last week with obstructing the referendum process and destroying public property when they tore down voter lists because they liked the pink paper on which they were printed" (they will not face any punishment).
posted by zachlipton at 3:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


teponaztli, it's going to be running all night, and has been working fine for me. Try refreshing, or clicking on the "live now" icon again.
posted by Lyn Never at 3:10 PM on July 26, 2016


Roll Call still going on. Missouri just cast their votes.

MONTANA: Home of the only farmer in the US Senate.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This link is working great, no interruptions for interviews or commercials.
posted by bearwife at 3:11 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm on the non 360 you tube linked eariler, I think it's a tiny delay but loading just fine.
posted by AlexiaSky at 3:11 PM on July 26, 2016


This guy from Nebraska sounds about as exciting as it is to drive through.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"for the honest, hard-working Hillary Clinton" LOVE IT!
posted by gilrain at 3:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh never mind, it started at the beginning.

Click on the "⚫ LIVE" icon in the player to skip to the live part (the circle is red if you're watching the live stream).
posted by effbot at 3:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 3:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Rawlings-Blake: Ne-... Ne-VAH-da. I think she's a Veep watcher.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


is the rumor i heard that bernie might give it over to hillary at new york's vote true?
posted by pyramid termite at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nevada getting the capital city right. Love it.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


One guy in the background of the NV delegation desperately trying to hold up a handwritten sign that says "RIGGED"
posted by zachlipton at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016


I need to go start dinner but I am waiting for NC. Soon, very soon.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016


[Several comments deleted; folks, flag stuff and don't respond.]
posted by LobsterMitten at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Go Nevada! Way to point out where the state capital REALLY is to your clueless RNC counterpart.
posted by bearwife at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm surprised Nevada is so hot with all that shade they're throwing.
posted by miguelcervantes at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


New Hampshire: "Home of the city of Unity where Hillary Clinton endorsed Barack Obama in 2008."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?

Not unless Ben Nighthorse Campbell is from an alternate universe.
posted by suelac at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Haha, Nevada, whose capital is actually Carson City...
posted by lovecrafty at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This makes me want to go on a USA road trip and meet all the happy and excited people in all of these places.
posted by Jalliah at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


New Hampshire casts votes 16/16 for Sanders/Clinton.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016


"Nevada (whose capital city is actually Carson City)." Sounds like some back story there.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016


is the rumor i heard that bernie might give it over to hillary at new york's vote true?

I believe the plan is to do that at Vermont.
posted by bearwife at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?

That was my question too.
posted by chapps at 3:15 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?

I think is was the first woman Native American.
posted by Jalliah at 3:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Nevada (whose capital city is actually Carson City)." Sounds like some back story there.

The Republicans from Nevada got their own capital city wrong.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 3:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?

First FEMALE Native American, I believe.
posted by miguelcervantes at 3:15 PM on July 26, 2016


First Native American woman I think.
posted by pemberkins at 3:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?

I believe he said "Native American woman"
posted by Copronymus at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016


well, vermont would make sense, yeah
posted by pyramid termite at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016


Sounds like some back story there

Yup
.
posted by bearwife at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


That's somewhat better but still a WTF.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress?

First Native American woman, I believe they said.
posted by dersins at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016


Ok, looked at wikipedia re Native American representatives. Its not none.
posted by chapps at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016


In general and this is something I love doing even when just watching the news, I get an insane amount of joy from seeing people in the background dorkily waving at the camera and staring themselves in the nearest monitor with a huge smile, it just makes me feel like deep down we're all just children.
posted by Tarumba at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


No Native American women though.
posted by chapps at 3:17 PM on July 26, 2016


"Nevada (whose capital city is actually Carson City)." Sounds like some back story there.

The Republicans from Nevada got their own capital city wrong.


Ah. I did not watch the RNC.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 3:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


New Mexico for science!
posted by biogeo at 3:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This makes me want to go on a USA road trip and meet all the happy and excited people in all of these places.

Come on down! Call some meetups and you'll meet, well, mefites, who are sometimes happy and excited and sometimes ornery and cantankerous, but always good for a meetup.
posted by zachlipton at 3:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


AND BREAKING BAD! THE SHOW!
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Breaking Bad shoutout!
posted by PenDevil at 3:18 PM on July 26, 2016


Bragging about Breaking Bad. That is a hell of a one-up on everyone else.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:18 PM on July 26, 2016


Denise Juneau is the woman in question -- also the state's first openly lesbian Congressional candidate.
posted by rewil at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


and sometimes ornery and cantankerous,

Dude, I'm right here, and I've only been to one meetup.
posted by bongo_x at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Cuomo offering the DNC's first truly punchable face.,
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016


YAY I FINALLY CAUGHT BACK UP.

Philly is so nuts. I live in South Philly, where you maybe see fifteen people all the way on your walk to Center, and having it so overstuffed with marchers has been surreal.

(Given the title of this thread, I regret that I have no milk steak to munch on as I watch this tonight.)
posted by rorgy at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016


Isn't New Mexico bragging about Breaking Bad kind of like Maryland bragging about The Wire? Good show, sure, but not exactly an endorsement for your state?
posted by Justinian at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I got it working, thanks everyone! I'm sorry I missed my home state, but I'm happy to see at least part of this. What cool people in this country!
posted by teponaztli at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016


This DNC is making America new again, for me. What a colorful, happy, hopeful place. What beautiful people!
posted by gilrain at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


New Mexico: shout outs to our native tribes, the labs, red and green chile, and Breaking Bad. I would expect nothing less.
posted by joedan at 3:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Breaking Bad shoutout!

It was also an organized labour shoutout since they worked in IATSE!

Dangit...gotta go be somewhere I can't stream this. Enjoy!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


So what would happen if these speakers just spoke in a normal tone of voice? You think they would get heard? They sure are pumped up. I feel like I watching THUNDERBAAAAALLL

NEW YORK: The birthplace of women's rights at Seneca Falls. Paid family leave. and a proud supporter of Puerto Rico.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


My home state, Colorado, was a total womp-womp, so I am adopting New Mexico or Louisiana for tonight!
posted by mochapickle at 3:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It looks like New York is actually casting its votes now, so I guess they're not doing the "pass for now and come back to let New York put her over the total."
posted by dnash at 3:21 PM on July 26, 2016


HILLARY HILLARY HILLA-- all right.
posted by gilrain at 3:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


(though points to Cuomo for thinking on his feet and applauding Sanders for his call for party unity)
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


God, I need this, after all the horror and anxiety around this election.
posted by skybluepink at 3:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


NC rednecks gettin loud
posted by sara is disenchanted at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Also North Carolina and the lady with the pink hat!
posted by mochapickle at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


could we get a few more camera phones in there pls I can still see some of their faces
posted by phunniemee at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh the phones I can't see her face!
posted by Jalliah at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016


Hehe North Carolina with lady on her Sunday best! Pink hat.
posted by Tarumba at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yes, North Carolina - REPEAL HB2!
posted by palindromic at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


You're boasting about... Fort... Bragg? /sunglasses
posted by gilrain at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


It looks like New York is actually casting its votes now, so I guess they're not doing the "pass for now and come back to let New York put her over the total."
They were apparently trying to have Vermont put her over so that Bernie could do it personally, but no word on whether that's actually going to happen.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:23 PM on July 26, 2016


All these iphones hahahaha. There's needs to be a "recording a show mode" where the screen goes dark.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:23 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh man, all the accents. This is such an awesome country.
posted by teponaztli at 3:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Perfect is the enemy of the good...liberals can't have nice things because we're too nitpicky etc. etc. blah, blah, blah, yes. BUT... this line from Elizabeth Warren made a screech like a scratched record combined with nails on a chalkboard to me...

" Christians against Muslims and Jews, straight against gay, everyone against immigrants."

Doesn't anyone else see it? Apparently, immigrants aren't included in "everyone." Isn't the complementary group to immigrants "native-born Americans?" WTF? It's so weird. Why would she say that?

And yes...the perfect is the enemy of the good...liberals can't have nice things because we're too nitpicky etc. etc. blah, blah, blah, yes. But WTF?
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 3:23 PM on July 26, 2016


Yay North Carolina Barbeque!
posted by bibliowench at 3:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


NORTH CAROLINA: Woot! Let's do this, Tar Heels. a lot of WHOOOOing.

The Great State of North Carolina known for great basketball and delicious barBQ. Great University system. And Roy Cooper will be the next governor and maybe we can get rid of that stinking bathroom bill.
48 for B.S. and 7O votes for Hillary Clinton.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yay Mariana Islands!
posted by schadenfrau at 3:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow cool, the Northern Mariana Islands! Had no idea!!!!!
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Can we start a pool on how long Bill's speech is gonna be?

No way Bill will allow Trump's 77 minute soliloquy be the longest of either convention. He'll find that downright disrespectful, and will feel the need to make that point.

I'm going to go with 92 minutes. And not a single R will be spoken.
posted by toxic at 3:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Yay flower crowns! Though they make me think of Hannibal more than anything.
posted by rewil at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Good job by the production staff to change the camera to crop out the jagoff with the Bernie or Bust sign.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016


penguin, it's shorthand for what we all know it means. I think you're overthinking.
posted by argybarg at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I am hoping someone shows up with a phone streaming the live YouTube coverage so we can see it repeating tinier and tinier.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


As an immigrant I am absolutely not offended by what Warren said. It seems as you said pretty nitpicky.
posted by Tarumba at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is Bernie a Vermont delegate? Can you be your own delegate?
posted by zennie at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016


Yay Northern Mariana Islands! Even more difficult of a journey than Guam (their airport on Saipan is quite an armrest gripper).
posted by jamaro at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Jim Obergefell with Ohio!!
posted by dnash at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


Love the bow tie.
posted by joedan at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Weeh Ohio, first person with an inside voice
posted by Tarumba at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016


Jim Obergefell!
posted by zombieflanders at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Holy shit Ohio got Jim Obergefell to speak.
posted by Talez at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


HOLY SHIT. Obergefell!!?
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bernie is a Vermont superdelegate because he is a US Senator.
posted by zachlipton at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


As a Michigander I am sworn to hate all Ohio things, but they got me, they got me good with Jim Obergefell.
posted by palindromic at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


The O in Ohio.

 
posted by Herodios at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016


As a native (who hasn't lived in the state for almost fifteen years), I'm still proud of the UNC system and I'm glad to see the delegates talk about it in the face of the state Republicans' attacks.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


oh sweet lady!
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I like this type of history. It's happy history.
posted by Jalliah at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Doesn't anyone else see it? Apparently, immigrants aren't included in "everyone." Isn't the complementary group to immigrants "native-born Americans?" WTF? It's so weird. Why would she say that?

And yes...the perfect is the enemy of the good...liberals can't have nice things because we're too nitpicky etc. etc. blah, blah, blah, yes. But WTF?


As I recall, she was describing what the Trumpistas were trying to pull with their divide-everybody-with-fear-and-hate rhetoric last week at the RNC. And in that regard, it is a perfectly fine description.
posted by Celsius1414 at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm loving how so many states are honoring their Native American people.
posted by yesster at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Oklahoma's got a woman born in 1929: "I never thought I would live to see this day"
posted by zachlipton at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


Oklahoma lady giving Arizona lady a run for her money.
posted by dersins at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Stop blocking your awesome spokeswoman with the banner, assholes.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I love the roll call. Really gives you a sense for how large and diverse our country is.
posted by joedan at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I never thought I would live to see this day" - Oklahoma delegate born in 1929
posted by mochapickle at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I am hoping someone shows up with a phone streaming the live YouTube coverage so we can see it repeating tinier and tinier.

no, that should have been done at the RNC - the idea of trump and the whole lot, except corb, disappearing into a massive black hole and turning into disembodied you tube comments is appealing ...
posted by pyramid termite at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hello teeny Oklahoman baby!
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Perhaps shamefully, I had to Google Obergefell because the name didn't ring a bell but whoops there go the tears in me
posted by rorgy at 3:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow. Oklahoma. Born 9 years after women's suffrage. Wow.

History.
posted by bearwife at 3:29 PM on July 26, 2016


Berners covering an old woman with their banner wtf
posted by EatTheWeak at 3:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


penguin, it's shorthand for what we all know it means. I think you're overthinking.

What do we all know it means? That everyone means "native born americans?" That's the part that bothers me: that it seems to be assumed that everyone means "native born americans". Would everyone have been an acceptable substitute for any of the other groups pitted against each other?
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016


Is Bernie a Vermont delegate? Can you be your own delegate?

He's a superdelegate but thought it felt weird voting for himself so he voted for Tammy Metzler
posted by beerperson at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Even more difficult of a journey than Guam (their airport on Saipan is quite an armrest gripper).

Crap, I still remember landing at Guam as a kid. I think we were in free fall.
posted by bongo_x at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I won't make WA State's rollcall, as I have a doctor's appointment to go to.

My predictions: 6161582129 voted for Bernie Sanders, 9 votes for Hillary Clinton, 523 votes for a Grande Americano.
posted by spinifex23 at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is so close to clinching. How many votes does PA have? Doesn't seem like it would even get to Vermont, or would that just be more of an FU?
posted by lkc at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016


I am going to be driving home when Clinton is announced, so I'm posting now what I would be posting then: a short clip of Madam Secretary Rawlings-Blake dancing with some students.
posted by penduluum at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Watching the video feed and Metafilter simultaneously is the first time I've ever found a use for Android split screen.

My phone is getting really hot...
posted by howfar at 3:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh oregon, never change.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Okay, penguin, how would you have phrased it?
posted by argybarg at 3:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Puerto Rico has a shoutout to Lin-Manuel Miranda! It's been way too long without a Hamilton reference.
posted by zachlipton at 3:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


HAMILTON has been mentioned people
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Ricky Martin getting a shout out there...
posted by howfar at 3:33 PM on July 26, 2016




This is my favorite part. The states reading in their nominations always turns me into a flag waving idiot.
posted by billyfleetwood at 3:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


oh shit oh shit oh shit so close come on arejkagjdskga my nerves can't handle this
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:34 PM on July 26, 2016


What do we all know it means? That everyone means "native born americans?" That's the part that bothers me: that it seems to be assumed that everyone means "native born americans".

It's a tautology. By definition, "everyone" includes the group you are targeting. So there's an implied "else" when you say "everyone (else) against _____."

Such as:

"Everyone hates those crazy clowns in Congress." Clowns in Congress are also part of everyone, technically.
posted by AndrewInDC at 3:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton won 0 pledged delegates in Vermont. So that means it would need to put her over the top with superdelegates, one of whom is BERNIE!

What is this? A movie?
posted by zachlipton at 3:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


The Puerto Rico man was like come on now to the lady holding that t-shirt right in front of his face.
posted by Tarumba at 3:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Aww Rhode Island is stuck behind a pole.
posted by rorgy at 3:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Penguin, I get what you're getting at and as an immigrant I noticed it too, but I think she was just exaggerating for effect. It's tough to be pitch perfect in speech delivery, in any case.
posted by peacheater at 3:35 PM on July 26, 2016


Wait, won't SC will be the state to put her over?
posted by zombieflanders at 3:36 PM on July 26, 2016


"Everyone hates those crazy clowns in Congress." Clowns in Congress are also part of everyone, technically.

It's true, then. Those crazy clowns in Congress hate those crazy clowns in Congress.
posted by chimaera at 3:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


>
Wait, won't SC will be the state to put her over?


I believe they wont tally until the end?
posted by mrzarquon at 3:36 PM on July 26, 2016


Here's a story on the plan to let Vermont go last to put HRC over the top then.
posted by bearwife at 3:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


> "Everyone hates those crazy clowns in Congress." Clowns in Congress are also part of everyone, technically.

self hating clowns.
posted by mrzarquon at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


2 more to go!!!
posted by cooker girl at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016


THREE MORE VOTES
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016


She needs 2 more by my count, so it'll be SD
posted by phunniemee at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016


South Carolina motto: "While I breathe, I hope." I like that.
posted by mochapickle at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


In language it's better to use the simple expression with the clear implied meaning rather than use a tortured formulation for technical correctness.
posted by argybarg at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


South Dakota to put her over!
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Rhode Island bragging about great restaurants. Jeat!
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


My state is taking her over the top!!!!!
posted by yesster at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Clinton won 0 pledged delegates in Vermont. So that means it would need to put her over the top with superdelegates, one of whom is BERNIE!

Not sure this makes sense? The current tally has her at 2334 with lots of states left to go. Unless they interrupt the alphabet to let Vermont go like now.
posted by like_neon at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


CAST THE VOTES IN LAKOTA
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


South Dakota gonna do it?
posted by Splunge at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016


South Dakota's got a greeting for us in the Lakota language.
posted by zachlipton at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


It's Chigurh!
posted by Taft at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yep.
posted by Splunge at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Oohhhh, i get it. They're rearranging the order of the call.
I was thinking it'd be pretty crappy if they just cut it short halfway through. Seems like a let down to the people wanting to brag about their state.
posted by lkc at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Little weird to segue RIGHT from the Lakota guy to a Mount Rushmore mention, BUT STILL!
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


OH MY GOD
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah that just did it. History is happening in Philadelphia!
posted by zachlipton at 3:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


south dakota?? heh
posted by pyramid termite at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2016


OK, I'm even more worried that the Busters will bait him into saying something stupid.

Yeah, that's been tried before. It didn't go well then.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2016


My kids are laughing at how hard I'm crying and I don't care!
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


No hats for Texas? I'm disappointed
posted by Tarumba at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Where are all the cowboy hats at Texas? I thought they were mandated by law to wear them.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is the closest I ever come to patriotism—this fierce love of the colors and languages of my country.
posted by mynameisluka at 3:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Awesome stache.
posted by joedan at 3:41 PM on July 26, 2016


THAT'S MY STATE. Texas y'all. Ann Richards. Ma Ferguson. Don't forget it.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


There's one pretty awesome denim hat with a texas-shaped bit of bling on it!
posted by chapps at 3:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


cbs is dumb - how in the age of cell phones and internet do the delegates have no way of knowing they just nominated clinton?
posted by pyramid termite at 3:41 PM on July 26, 2016


Ann Richards shoutout!
Damn, I miss her.
posted by bibliowench at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


The greatest snow on Earth?
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Uh uh excuse me but I was told there would be hats.
posted by tobascodagama at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Fuck it!! Please send all y'all's antihistamines my way PLEASE!! Because ALLERGIES Y'ALL!!
#shedidit
posted by ramix at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"The greatest snow on Earth"

LOL
posted by sallybrown at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016


Apparently, the totals aren't known inside the hall.
 
posted by Herodios at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016


Doesn't anyone else see it? Apparently, immigrants aren't included in "everyone." Isn't the complementary group to immigrants "native-born Americans?" WTF? It's so weird. Why would she say that?

If you think immigrants can't be against other immigrants you haven't met my Fox News-watching immigrant and daughter-of-immigrants grandparents.
posted by JauntyFedora at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


OMG I made it home for Texas!!! Woo hoooo!
posted by Salieri at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The corpse in the library, your kids will tell their kids one day where they were when Secretary Clinton was nominated for the presidency.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


No hats for Texas? I'm disappointed

There was a lady with a blue leather cowboy hat with an enormous rhinestone buckle in the shape of Texas. Marvelous!
posted by mochapickle at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Vermont passes
posted by cooker girl at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Lakota speaker was just so... correct, so necessary.
posted by Splunge at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Ok so Vermont is passing. And presumably they'll come back to them at the very end.
posted by zachlipton at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016


He forgot Molly Ivins
posted by persona au gratin at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Vermont what?
posted by PenDevil at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016


Are they passing so that Bernie can suspend the count after everyone else has had their turn?
posted by Talez at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016


A. Ham shoutout.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Are we sure they were from Texas?
posted by bongo_x at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Vermont better brag about Ben and Jerry
posted by Tarumba at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Second Hamilton shoutout of the night.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016


US Virgin Islands with a shoutout to Alexander Hamilton. Chick a plao!
posted by zachlipton at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hamilton shout out!
posted by octobersurprise at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016


Virgin Islands: "yaaaaay!"
posted by phunniemee at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


US Virgin Island speaker won my heart with that big yaaay.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Giant parrot head guy is awesome!
posted by teponaztli at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The giant chicken head hat of the Virgin Islands is the Best Hat of All.
posted by jamaro at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


> The corpse in the library, your kids will tell their kids one day where they were when Secretary Clinton was nominated for the presidency

My big ugly happy sobs certainly made it memorable for them!
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Who the hell is booing EVERY TIME they go to the next state???
posted by zennie at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016


Wahoo Virginia!!!
posted by Tarumba at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bernie going down to the floor now.
posted by cashman at 3:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


They'll come back to Vermont so Bernie can dramatically reveal that the REAL delegate count favors him and his running mate, GOB Bluth
posted by beerperson at 3:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Are they passing so that Bernie can suspend the count after everyone else has had their turn?
I think that Bernie really, really wants all the delegates' votes to be registered, so they will register Vermont's votes, and then he will move for a unanimous vote for Hillary. It'll be interesting to see how that goes over.
Who the hell is booing EVERY TIME they go to the next state???
Are they booing or wooing? I think that may be a woo.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I liked the hat one of the VI delegates was wearing.
posted by tobascodagama at 3:45 PM on July 26, 2016


I like this approach of letting every state announce and then doing Vermont at the end. This way everybody gets to have their say, we get the count out and everyone can say their vote was counted (except the people who say the voting machines were rigged, because yeah), and then ideally we end this with a unifying gesture in a few minutes.
posted by zachlipton at 3:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I have a box of Clinton campaign kitsch I'm accruing for my two-year-old daughter. One day, they will make a fine, underappreciated addition to a 4th grade history report.
posted by palindromic at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


Wahoo Virginia!!!

Wahoo wah
Virgin-i-a

;)
posted by sallybrown at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Washington State guy should be in charge of PA announcements at a sports arena of some kind.
posted by zachlipton at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm thinking WOOOOOOOs rather than boos.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016


ooh there's a muslim lady in front
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary Clinton yay!
posted by obfuscation at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016


WASHINGTON I DIDN'T MISS IT.

Where are your little foam hats?
posted by spinifex23 at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


These men shoving Bernie signs in front of women's faces are starting to piss me off.
posted by cooker girl at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


Bernie better stomp his feet and light a match for Hillary dammit.
posted by cashman at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016


From Rachel Maddow on Twitter: Senator @BernieSanders appears to be on the move toward the floor... ignoring questions from reporters on the way!

(Seems like he's headed there to announce Vermont's votes, last.)
posted by dnash at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, it's a real pity the Washington Republicans were more on top of their hat game than the Democrats. WE ARE THE SILLY HATS ONLY PARTY
posted by palindromic at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I imagine the roll call finishing and Hillary taking the nom is gonna feel like setting a broken bone to some.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


corb you should go find those people and hug them. <3
posted by stolyarova at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016


I love the shout outs to Native Americans.
posted by persona au gratin at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Yay Washington!
posted by lovecrafty at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016


Boo at the lady who took away the Palestine sign. (AFAICT, it said "PALESTINIAN HUMAN RIGHTS" which is a hard thing to be against unless you're Netanyahu.
posted by tobascodagama at 3:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


"We did it, good job everybody!"

Hahaha
posted by zombieflanders at 3:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"We did it! Good job, everybody!"
posted by rorgy at 3:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


and then ideally we end this with a unifying gesture in a few minutes.

I got yr unifying gesture right here.
posted by phunniemee at 3:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm ashamed to say I've never watched a roll-call vote before. I really love it.
posted by birdheist at 3:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


TAMMY BALDWIN!!!!!!! I love her.
posted by spinifex23 at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


YAY CHEESE AND BEER.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I love love Tammy Baldwin. She was my Congresswoman back in WI.
posted by persona au gratin at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Go Pack!
posted by carmicha at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


So is Sanders going to close this by casting his superdelegate vote for Clinton?
posted by dersins at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016


OK, I am happy now, I see cheese hats from the Wisconsin delegation.
posted by skybluepink at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow, Cowboy fans gonna be mad.
posted by sideshow at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Green Bay Packers, of course, being the closest thing to a socialist entity in professional sports.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Does the DNC roll call usually acknowledge Native Americans this much? It's awesome.
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm sorry, but there is no way the Green Bay Packers are America's team.
posted by palindromic at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wait, black people live in Wisconsin? But Paul Ryan couldn't find any for his selfie!
posted by lovecrafty at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


There sure are a lot of W states.
posted by brennen at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wyoming has matching t-shirts "black lives matter in the equality state." I love it.
posted by zachlipton at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [44 favorites]


Wisconsin in a cheese jacket. I get it.
posted by Devonian at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Minnesota and Illinois' objections alone!
posted by palindromic at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is the entire Wyoming delegation wearing BLM shirts?
posted by zakur at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hell yeah, loving those 'Black Lives Matter' shirts, Wyoming!
posted by spinifex23 at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Wyoming was the state I always forgot when studying for my US citizenship test.
posted by Tarumba at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016


Nice BLM turnout for Wyoming.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016


Come on Bernie
posted by persona au gratin at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016


I love how the Wyoming speaker was 100% business until saying Hillary's name and then she gave a big goofy grin.
posted by sallybrown at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


> Hell yeah, loving those 'Black Lives Matter' shirts, Wyoming!

fuck yeah wyoming
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


I missed almost all the states but this is so great.
posted by zutalors! at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016


Yay Tammy Baldwin! And a shout out to Russ Feingold! As a Wisconsinite, those two make me proud of my state, can't wait for Feingold to be back in the senate.
posted by airish at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


So many BLM shirts!
posted by tobascodagama at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016


Is the entire Wyoming delegation wearing BLM shirts?

yes and it's beautiful
posted by dis_integration at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


We have an amazing country.
posted by persona au gratin at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Vermont lady is wearing a Hillary button.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:52 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh shit people....Vermont is up.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:52 PM on July 26, 2016


Sanders is legit crying. Amazing.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Bernie looks like he's watching a movie of his life while holding an angel's hand.
posted by cashman at 3:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [56 favorites]


Bernie Sanders has been good to the Democratic Party.
posted by yesster at 3:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


Can't watch because I'm at work, but I'm starting to wish Eurovision votes were announced this way.
posted by asperity at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is a beautiful thing. Stronger TOGETHER.
posted by sallybrown at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


What lovely words about Sanders. That was great!
posted by pointystick at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
posted by cooker girl at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016


sanders is feeling the bern too
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


HRC is the nominee!
posted by cashman at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is kind of heartbreaking, and I say that as somebody who was in the tank for Hillary from the start.
posted by skybluepink at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


YES! Thank you, Bernie!
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Nicely done, Bernie.
posted by persona au gratin at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Here it is
posted by y2karl at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm crying too.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Way to go Bern.
posted by Salieri at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Every state votes, then Sanders moves that all votes be recorded as they were cast and Hillary Clinton be selected as the nominee.
posted by zachlipton at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Oh, Bernie. You are wonderful. Tears.
posted by mochapickle at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Lovefest! <3 <3 <3
posted by stolyarova at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


BERNIE FOR THE FIRST TIME I CAN SAY UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT I LOVE YOU!!!!!
posted by Superplin at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


SHOW JERRY EMMETT AGAIN DAMN IT
posted by sallybrown at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


YES!!!!!!!!
posted by Hairy Lobster at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


That did it. Officially weeping now. Well done, Sanders. Well done.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


<3 you Bernie!
posted by Glinn at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


\(>o<)ノ
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Okay, penguin, how would you have phrased it?

Native-born Americans against immigrants? Hardly tortured, IMO.

It's a tautology. By definition, "everyone" includes the group you are targeting. So there's an implied "else" when you say "everyone (else) against _____." Such as: "Everyone hates those crazy clowns in Congress." Clowns in Congress are also part of everyone, technically.


So is that a yes, "Everyone vs. black people" and "Everyone vs. Jews" would have been just fine because obviously it's implied to mean "everyone else."?
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


persona au gratin: We have an amazing country.

Yep. You surely do. Proud to be your neighbor.
posted by No Robots at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Nicely done, Dems.
posted by dersins at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Huzzah!
posted by homunculus at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Y E S
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


SO MOVED AND SECONDED
posted by penduluum at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Sobbing
posted by cooker girl at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


All the people with H signs with the arrow
Need to point the arrow
THATAWAY -------------------->
posted by rouftop at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


(that broken bone comment earlier was for myself)
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Well done, Senator Sanders.
posted by dnash at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Weeping.
posted by mynameisluka at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This means they'll be a voice vote on the acclimation motion. How many nos are we going to get?
posted by zachlipton at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


└(○`ε´○)┘ SPIRIT OF UNITY └(○`ε´○)┘
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


How much better could that have gone?!
posted by argybarg at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Shit I freaking love Bernie.
posted by Tarumba at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is it special for him to say she she should be the nominee? She IS the nominee, she won! Hillary did it better in 2008.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


There's tomorrow's sound bite.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


BRAVO!
posted by Splunge at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Lets Freaking GOOO!!!!
posted by cashman at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Well, thank God it's not Autocorrect by acclamation...
posted by y2karl at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Okay crying now.
posted by Salieri at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Ayes have it.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I want to be there!
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was lovely!
posted by carmicha at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Well done, Bernie.
posted by skybluepink at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Thank you, Bernie Sanders.
 
posted by Herodios at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm so obsessed with these rainbow signs <3
posted by acidic at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
posted by gilrain at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Whew. Let's beat Trump.
posted by mollweide at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I am legitimately surprised that there were almost no NOs.
posted by palindromic at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is glorious! I think I just saw a lady crying and doing the cabbage patch at the same time.
posted by cashman at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


He suspended by acclimation, he just let everyone else talk first.
posted by lkc at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Was it orchestrated that all the H signs came out at the end? Or is this camera work?
posted by 0xFCAF at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016


I rewound that to watch it again, and I wanted to hug him

I am so proud to be a Democrat right now
posted by schadenfrau at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Whoa. This is one of those moments people will remember.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016


more like HERstory
posted by beerperson at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


The ayes have it!
posted by Illusory contour at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Dance party time!
posted by stolyarova at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016


Thank you Bernie!
posted by bongo_x at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016


Ok forget the few nos. This is goddamn beautiful.
posted by zachlipton at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Why is it special for him to say she she should be the nominee? She IS the nominee, she won! Hillary did it better in 2008.

Yes, she's done a lot of things better than lots of people. But it was still moving to many of us.
posted by Bella Donna at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


"Hillary Clinton has been invited to give an acceptance speech." Gosh I hope she accepts or we're all going to feel stupid.
posted by zachlipton at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [58 favorites]


Crying at my desk at work, gotta go over a report with the boss in a few minutes, but I DON'T CARE. I'm so happy and so proud.
posted by yasaman at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Bernie Sanders is a true patriot, god bless that man.
posted by EatTheWeak at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


<3 <3 <3
posted by pemberkins at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016


I hope there is somewhere quiet there that Sanders can steal away to be alone for a few minutes. He's had a hell of a day.
posted by anastasiav at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [43 favorites]


Was it orchestrated that all the H signs came out at the end? Or is this camera work?

Orchestrated. The sign game has been strong so far - Michelle signs, Bernie signs yesterday, and now the Hillary signs.
posted by palindromic at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why is it special for him to say she she should be the nominee? She IS the nominee, she won! Hillary did it better in 2008.

Given the atmosphere yesterday, it's good for the sake of party unity. And it seems to have worked, too--there were a lot fewer nos in that vote than there would have been yesterday.
posted by joedan at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I'll never be able to listen to Happy again without crying tears of joy.
posted by ilicet at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Every moment of this convention highlights what a sour, urine-scented mess the RNC was.
posted by argybarg at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


My autistic 7 year old just asked me why i'm crying. She thought i'm mad at her for some reason. I told her its because of Hillary Clinton and that i'm so happy that she's going to be the first female American president. She's like Mom i'm going to be president too so you can cry happy tears.
Now i cant stop CRYING for REALS!!
posted by ramix at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [190 favorites]


Why is it special for him to say she she should be the nominee? She IS the nominee, she won! Hillary did it better in 2008.

Because it's just as important to win graciously as it is to lose graciously.
posted by jamaro at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


Are those the Bernie chanters again?
posted by rorgy at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm sorry, but there is no way the Green Bay Packers are America's team.

Vikings!
posted by kirkaracha at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also, I just asked my elderly dad who he was going to vote for. And he said he was thinking about voting for the lady but everybody seemed to be against her. I asked him to vote for her anyway and just not tell the rest of the family.
posted by Bella Donna at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [59 favorites]


I think it is also such a huge contrast from the RNC regarding candidates supporting that working together .
posted by AlexiaSky at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I hope there is somewhere quiet there that Sanders can steal away to be alone for a few minutes. He's had a hell of a day.

He seemed to sneak off right away. If I were him I'd be making a bee-line to the wine cabinet.
posted by dis_integration at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hillary did it better in 2008.

yeah, but bernie didn't do it badly, and he didn't stay sulking in his room sticking pins in voodoo dolls like some people are

yes, i wanted to work that in somewhere, damn it

YAY HILLARY
posted by pyramid termite at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I have been bawling through this whole thing.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


At this moment, I like my country and this election. Didn't think I'd feel that during this election season!
posted by mixedmetaphors at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Missed my Michigan, but tuned in just in time to see - for the first time in my life - someone of my gender be nominated by a major party. You want perspective on that? My mother is in her 90s. Her mother was born in the 1890s, 25 years before women could even vote.
posted by NorthernLite at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


This is glorious! I think I just saw a lady crying and doing the cabbage patch at the same time.

Truly the only way to do the cabbage patch
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


ramix, you got me started all over again!
posted by mochapickle at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is tiny but Terry McAuliffe just opened a little clinic in our building for state employees so we don't have to take time off for headaches and other small stuff.

He's really cool.
posted by Tarumba at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


/r/SFP is in complete meltdown.
posted by Talez at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think my prize of the night goes to Indiana's giant middle finger to Mike Pence.
posted by nakedmolerats at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Hillary, and her husband Bill" Heh.
posted by anastasiav at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


ramix, can I share that please?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016


"I LOVE THIS WOMAN"

plot twist
posted by acidic at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Why is it special for him to say she she should be the nominee? She IS the nominee, she won! Hillary did it better in 2008.

I think in part it was symbolic too - there were so many conspiracy theorists and Busters and people who wanted recognition of how much support that he had won that they wanted all the delegate votes to be read into the record. But in the end Sanders moved that she be nominated not by vote count, but by acclamation, like hey - who cares what the exact count was, she won, this is what we acclaim as a group now. And the fact that he's the one that did it will hopefully speak to some more of his supporters who weren't moved last by last night's speeches.
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


So does this make Bernie Gandalf or Erkenbrand? I'm leaning Erkenbrand, but I'm open to contrary opinions.
posted by tobascodagama at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is it special for him to say she she should be the nominee? She IS the nominee, she won! Hillary did it better in 2008.

Political Theater is the only kind of politics. The ritual of this vote was important. He personally overseeing that final cathartic release of emotion was important. 2008 was not 2016. Ths year, the runner-up's release of the monent could not have come before the roll call.
posted by EatTheWeak at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


I'm sorry, but there is no way the Green Bay Packers are America's team.

Vikings!


well, it sure as hell isn't the lions
posted by pyramid termite at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


/r/SFP is in complete meltdown.

guess how much I care
posted by dersins at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I loved that, too. Hillary and her husband Bill! Progress!
posted by persona au gratin at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016


No one at the RNC offered any personal vignettes of the sort Terry McAuliffe just did when he reminisced about Hillary playing mermaid in the pool with his daughter.
posted by carmicha at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


This "Hillary played mermaid in the pool with my daughter" thing was weak sauce at best.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016


It's the Bears.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


lol they gave the fight ISIS around the world line to Terry McAuliffe

"nobody's gonna like him anyway, just sneak it in there"
posted by schadenfrau at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


My poor dog doesn't understand why I'm clapping and crying. I have to calm down so she'll stop trying to comfort me.
posted by Sophie1 at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm crying because as a YUGE Bernie supporter I got really mad at how Bernie's campaign went. I wanted it to be so much more. I feel like he's leaving a good legacy but still it's hard to say goodbye to something I feel could have been so much more before a bunch of assholes online ruined it for me.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [43 favorites]


If I were him I'd be making a bee-line to the wine cabinet.

Stuff some t-shirts in a suitcase, taxi to the airport, and get on the first tropical flight departing. A mere few hours and he and Jane will have their feet in the sand and cold daiqueris in hand.
posted by sallybrown at 4:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's the Bears.

yep
posted by fitnr at 4:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]




> /r/SFP is in complete meltdown.
posted by Talez at 4:00 PM on July 26 [+] [!]


oh my god someone there just legit accused sanders of killing rosa luxemburg.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 4:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


well, it sure as hell isn't the lions

Heck, the Lions are barely even Michigan's team. There is no America's team in the NFL, damn it. All the contenders are at least as hated as they are loved. America's team is Drew Magary's Why Your Team Sucks series.

/NFL derail
posted by palindromic at 4:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think during the whole RNC, only one speaker referred to Trump as a friend.
posted by mochapickle at 4:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


If you want to ruin the feelgood moment (and I really don't recommend doing so), here's a periscope of Sanders delegates who have walked out in protest.
posted by zachlipton at 4:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


we're all YUGE Bernie supporters right now
posted by Foci for Analysis at 4:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think during the whole RNC, only one speaker referred to Trump as a friend.

That was John Barron of the New York delegation.
posted by tonycpsu at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Honestly, they get to walk out. They get to feel their feels. It's interesting to me how different the coverage is of the Busters and of folks like Corb last week.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [50 favorites]


I like Dottie Deans' multicolor hillary button.
posted by cashman at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016


Chanting "Show me what democracy looks like"

Can someone dump four million votes on his head?
posted by Talez at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Was that a little "We're up all night to get lucky" music cue?
posted by LobsterMitten at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016


I liked the mermaid story not just because it shows her as playful and engaged with a child, but because it suggests Hillary is willing to get her hair wet.
posted by carmicha at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Sanders delegate walkout Periscope stream.

Not today, Satan. I want to watch the Congressional women!
posted by Salieri at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


Do not turn this into a sports thread, do not go there. Please!
posted by Bella Donna at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump is getting shook. Follow the money, journalists.
posted by sallybrown at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


How many Sander delegates bounced? Can I have their seats on Thursday? I'm happy to drive down and wave a sign.
posted by Stynxno at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


here's a periscope of Sanders delegates who have walked out in protest.

what a bunch of silly phakes, let's spray cheez whiz at them
posted by pyramid termite at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016


/r/SFP is in complete meltdown.
posted by Talez at 4:00 PM on July 26 [+] [!]

oh my god someone there just legit accused sanders of killing rosa luxemburg.


I feel compelled to go over and watch this

and yet

feeling good about our country and our party is so much better

and yet it's my literal username

TORN
posted by schadenfrau at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


Nancy Pelosi belongs in our currency.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't mind them walking out. If they feel like the DNC is illegitimate and they can't support the Democratic party, they should leave it. Staying to crap on it was the part that bothered me.
posted by argybarg at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [62 favorites]


OMG how did I already hit my favorite limit for the day, I demand a recount.
posted by Andrhia at 4:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm at work so I haven't been watching, but thanks for sharing everyone. I'm about to cry. This is history in the making.
posted by defenestration at 4:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Seeing all those women on stage is awesome, but I wish there were more.
posted by Torosaurus at 4:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I don't understand the mindset of someone, no matter how passionate a supporter of Sanders, who can't enjoy the historic moment right now.

Of course even the fact that it IS a historic moment seems to be escaping some people.
posted by threeturtles at 4:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


All these women. Fuck yes. This is like all the times we watched Leslie Knope and CJ Cregg and wished we had them for-real.
posted by nakedmolerats at 4:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [47 favorites]


She's like Mom i'm going to be president too so you can cry happy tears.

Oh jeez, ramix's daughter is gonna make this a contested convention after all
posted by Greg Nog at 4:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Here's how Bernie Sanders will still win Andrhia's favorites via USUncut dot com
posted by Ghostride The Whip at 4:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Come on, the Packers are America's team because they're not owned by some billionaire, but some 100,000 regular people shareholders.
posted by zutalors! at 4:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I love the bright colors of all these women's suits. In the crane shots it looks super cool.
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ok, if you want to bask in the glow of an important and historic moment (which: totally legit! I’m casting no aspersions) please skip this comment.

But what I can’t get over is: why does this moment seem to be more about Bernie than Hillary? Why does he get so much credit for doing what she did 8 years ago?

I just… to me, this is a microcosm of the unconscious bias of this whole election. All the praise and credit he gets for doing the same things she did 100x better. It’s not his fault he gets a penis pass, obviously. But I do find it to be depressing.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 4:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


Someone should start a twitter hashtag to release Trumps tax returns...
posted by herda05 at 4:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I just looked up Rosa Luxemburg, and I still don't understand what these cosplayers think they are saying
posted by Countess Elena at 4:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm so happy!
posted by OmieWise at 4:11 PM on July 26, 2016


One sad thing about people who have privilege on all fronts is they never get to feel like THIS.
posted by sallybrown at 4:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


The Sanders folks outside seem pretty respectful from the Periscope. They say they're coming back inside for Mothers of the Movement, but they're there to represent the people who voted for them and holding space outside the hall (for the TV cameras, naturally) is how they're going to do that. Anyway, I'm going back to watching more awesome women in Congress.
posted by zachlipton at 4:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Seeing the camera have to keep panning, and panning, and panning to get all of the congressional women... awesome.
posted by jason_steakums at 4:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Shout out to Jan Schakowsky, awesome rep from north side of Chicago!
posted by fitnr at 4:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


(showbiz_liz, can we also talk about that bangin' pink hat that one woman is wearing? A+ hat game, lady whose name I don't know, but who is excellent.)

I'm happy-crying into my ice cream right now. This is good. Getting here has been painful and moving forward is going to be painful but this, right here? This is really good.
posted by Stacey at 4:12 PM on July 26, 2016


pocketfullofrye: But what I can’t get over is: why does this moment seem to be more about Bernie than Hillary? Why does he get so much credit for doing what she did 8 years ago?

For me, it's not AT ALL about Bernie. I am finally free to officially NOT GIVE A FUCK about what he or his hardcore supporters think. We have a woman presidential nominee, and a next woman president. That's all I care about right now.
posted by Superplin at 4:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


I just looked up Rosa Luxemburg, and I still don't understand what these cosplayers think they are saying

I'm pretty sure it was a snarky joke about the KPD/SPD dispute and the rise of the Nazis in Germany.
posted by dis_integration at 4:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


(It's possible I've miscalibrated the ratio of margaritas to guacamole. Or maybe I have it exactly right?)
posted by Superplin at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Welp, 2016.

Ain't ready to forgive you yet, but more days like this and perhaps we can work on it.
posted by Devonian at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


pocketfullofrye:

Taking extra time to be gracious and thankful is good practice. Hillary gets the nomination, she can be generous.
posted by argybarg at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bernie Sanders is a true patriot, god bless that man.

It's hard to see it now, but the public owes him a major debt of gratitude for the important work he did to bring progressive policies into the party platform. The political dialogue has now changed permanently -- not just on minimum wage, but on a whole host of other issues that are important to working Americans, too, such as healthcare and education finance reforms that were once "not realistic" or not amenable to "triangulation". So, at least, one round of thanks from this naturalized citizen and voter to Bernie for all of his hard work to make America a better country.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [97 favorites]


Amen, jason_steakums

My Congresswoman, Judy Chu (whom I love!) is up there somewhere. Though I've not seen her.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016


But what I can’t get over is: why does this moment seem to be more about Bernie than Hillary? Why does he get so much credit for doing what she did 8 years ago?

Sanders is an avatar for the sizeable fraction of the Democratic party that voted for him; this isn't really about him, it's about them. Now, as to why this dynamic was in play more this year than in 2008, I think it's because Clinton did a better job of moving towards unity immediately once she lost than Sanders did, so her supporters had already had more time to grieve and accept. Also lots of other reasons, but that's one.
posted by biogeo at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


When Women Succeed, America Succeeds! QFT!
posted by Sophie1 at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


penis pass

just a lil reminder that penis ≠ man. kinda not great phrasing
posted by burgerrr at 4:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


In my view, Bernie made me connect with the Democratic party. I loved him and respected him before he ran, and I think he has pushed the party to the left.

He made our country use the word socialist in a non witch hunt context. This is amazing for a country that always rejected the left on principle.
posted by Tarumba at 4:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


(It's possible I've miscalibrated the ratio of margaritas to guacamole. Or maybe I have it exactly right?)

Guacamole! I knew I was forgetting something. Laters.
posted by Justinian at 4:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


donnie sounds so irrelevant right now

For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia.

that's because you have ZERO money, right donnie?
posted by pyramid termite at 4:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Superplin, I really should be where you are so I could help you with the margaritas.
posted by cooker girl at 4:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


God, imagine if all political news looked like this panel of female Reps. It would be amazing.
posted by LobsterMitten at 4:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


My friend's Bernie-supporting 8-year-old daughter is probably sad as hell right now. She wanted Bernie to get the nomination only because she wanted to be the first female president herself.
posted by komara at 4:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


I can't explain how good it feels to see this group of women on stage.
posted by mcduff at 4:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


It might also be the case that Russians have investments in him.
posted by hleehowon at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [40 favorites]


Regarding people posting about the dumb behavior of Busters during this happy moment, take a tip from Mr. Paul Anka!
posted by downtohisturtles at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


(Y. Smirnov joke comes to mind)
posted by hleehowon at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's now about Hillary, standing firm on the planks of the platform, holding the line on the left. We pulled SO FUCKING hard on the platform. This is an AMAZING PLATFORM.

If someone's not on board then they need to go home.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


I think the lady in the awesome pink hat is Alma Adams, from North Carolina.
posted by mochapickle at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Zero investment in Russia, how much money Russia has invested in Trump.... that's another question.
posted by PenDevil at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


The right balance of guacamole to margaritas is:

• some guacamole
• some margaritas

You've got this.
posted by rorgy at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


ZERO is probably the name of his shell corp.
posted by jamaro at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Someone on the Periscope: "we just keep watching the TV and when they do Black Lives Matter stuff we get the hell back in there so we don't have the Elijah Cummings thing happen again." Good.
posted by zachlipton at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia.

well yeah, debts aren't investments
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia.

Why is he still spelling Wikileaks as Wikileakes? Does he just not know? And in a character scarce medium too, that extra e is expensive!
posted by dis_integration at 4:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


...what I can’t get over is: why does this moment seem to be more about Bernie than Hillary? Why does he get so much credit for doing what she did 8 years ago?

I'm guessing, pocketfullofrye, for Reasons: 1. It's an incredibly skilful exercise of building unity by validating and acknowledging the feelings of those who supported Sanders (like me), some of whom are whiny crybabies (not me). 2. Emotional Labor.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Oh, Donald. It's not how much you have invested in Russia, it's how much Russia has invested in YOU!

Let's see those tax filings, hey?
posted by Devonian at 4:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


If you know me outside of Metafilter, skip this comment because you've already heard, maybe more than once.

When I was about 9, I became obsessed with presidents. I could recite as many random facts about every US President that a pre-internet girl could find (I can still tell you pretty much every president's middle name, if you're curious). I announced to my father--a Nixon Republican, like my mother--that I wanted to be the first woman president of the United States.

“I think you can absolutely be President if that’s what you want,” he told me. “But you were born too late to be the first. By the time you’re old enough to run, we will already have had a few women as President."

I was old enough in the year 2000. This is an amazing moment for me, and for millions of women in the United States.
posted by Superplin at 4:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [164 favorites]


This is the kind of stuff that makes me proud of this country. For all of its many faults, it is so inspiring to have one of the two major parties stand up and proudly reiterate the best and most optimistic parts of what we can come together to do.

I know it's been said over and over, but...goddamn, the contrast with last week's depressing, anger-filled shitshow could not be more striking. This is the country I want to be part of.
posted by Salieri at 4:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Somewhere Elizabeth Cady Stanton is smiling.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


I appreciate all Bernie did, even though I think he waited far too long to relent and left the pot stirred for too long. But the platform is more progressive, Hillary is embracing the ideas, and we're seeing progressives line up to run for Congress. He did good.

I really hope that more than 90% of the Berners climb on the bandwagon. We have a lot to do to beat back Trump.
posted by dw at 4:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


In Putin's Russia, investment owns YOU!
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Donald Trump is a character scarce medium.
posted by biogeo at 4:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


#WhereAreTheTaxReturnsTrump
posted by JakeEXTREME at 4:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Instead they walk out on the women of Congress?
posted by persona au gratin at 4:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Hey guys: we put women in the sequel!
posted by zachlipton at 4:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


Salieri: yep! On both counts.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wonder who thought of the sit-in in the lobby and how long it'll last. It's a good compromise, they get the TV time which they seem to want, so whatever, and we get to actually listen to speeches. There's a post on r/sfp proposing that they stay quiet until Hillary's speech (so that they don't get kicked out) and then let the boos rain, though, which worries me.
posted by acidic at 4:20 PM on July 26, 2016


I have a fuck ton of privilege and I could not be prouder of the Democratic party today.

2008 We proved that the color of a Man's Skin was irrelevant to how qualified they were

2016 We proved that your gender was irrelevant to how qualified you are

I'm excited to see what sort of conventional wisdoms we can disprove next.
posted by vuron at 4:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


I've been on Mefi 15 years, and today is the first day I've ever hit my favorites limit.
posted by anastasiav at 4:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Pelosi is wearing a rainbow wristband... Sweet.
posted by mochapickle at 4:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Val Demings is amazing. Had never heard of her.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm done with the sit-in in the lobby. We've got a stage full of Congressional women here reminding us that when women succeeded, America succeeds.
posted by zachlipton at 4:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


"When Women Succeed, America Succeeds"

Good line.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


In the DNC feed it appears that it's just people milling around right now?
posted by winna at 4:22 PM on July 26, 2016


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?

Unfortunately she's anti-choice, sooooo, yeah, not for me.


She's pro-choice. She was more conservative when she was younger, but she's evolved since then. As I understand it, her political worldview changed dramatically after she got back from Iraq.
posted by homunculus at 4:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


There's Judy! She's great.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:23 PM on July 26, 2016


Just started sobbing at the 102-year-old woman. Women didn't have the vote when she was born, and here she is announcing the votes for Hillary....

Video: 102-year-old woman casts votes for Hillary Clinton

Meet Jerry Emmett, Arizona's 102-Year-Old Honorary Delegate to the Democratic National Convention
posted by homunculus at 4:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


I'm a woman Chelsea's age, and this is the first year I am eligible to be president, too.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 4:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm excited to see what sort of conventional wisdoms we can disprove next.

IDK if I'd be more excited about a gay president or a Native president. (Say, any gay Native politicians kicking around?)
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Re "wikileakes". Trump is secretly Brian Butterfield. #LOLLE
posted by howfar at 4:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


anastasiav: I've been on Mefi 15 years, and today is the first day I've ever hit my favorites limit.

We are MeFi twins! ::high five::
posted by Superplin at 4:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed: Delegates aren't being allowed in. Media not allowed out. This is the scene inside the tent.
posted by bluecore at 4:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


... I announced to my father--a Nixon Republican, like my mother--that I wanted to be the first woman president of the United States.

I wanted to also! I remember where I was when I changed my mind. I was in third grade, reading a kids' book about the lives of Presidents. It described a President's day. The day always started at 5:30 am - first you have to hear the world news, then you have to go jogging.

I knew then that I was not meant for higher office, and have been at peace with it ever since.
posted by Countess Elena at 4:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [69 favorites]


Is Kamala Harris speaking at DNC?
posted by persona au gratin at 4:25 PM on July 26, 2016


Instead they walk out on the women of Congress?

In fairness, it is tricky to find a good time to disrupt or walk out on this DNC - they would almost always be walking out on speakers who are people of color, women, people with disabilities, immigrants, LGBT folks, etc.
posted by palindromic at 4:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


It's so sad that we have a potential president that attack ads are literally quotes from his campaign.
posted by AlexiaSky at 4:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's pro-choice. She was more conservative when she was younger, but she's evolved since then. As I understand it, her political worldview changed dramatically after she got back from Iraq.

She's also from the Bill Maher wing of the party when it comes to conflating terrorism and Islam, so fuck that noise. There were dozens of women on that stage who much better represent progressive ideals than her and don't have that baggage.
posted by tonycpsu at 4:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Could someone explain the Laurie Penny tweet?
posted by Spathe Cadet at 4:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think I could handle getting up at 5:30 but screw that jogging routine.
posted by vuron at 4:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


That Trump ad about McCain with just him speaking is so simple and yet makes him sound so horrible. Ads like that are going to hurt him.
posted by Jalliah at 4:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


JIMMY CARTER! So all the living Democratic ex-Presidents will have a presence this DNC!
posted by palindromic at 4:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


I knew then that I was not meant for higher office, and have been at peace with it ever since.

I started posting on message boards when I was like 13. Somewhere around age 15 or 16, I realized that if I ever wanted to be involved in politics, I should probably stop, like immediately. And... well, you can see how that turned out
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


GRAMPA CARTER!!
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Does anyone really think the $$$ that Dishonest Donald gets from Russia is going to show up on his tax returns? He may be two beets short of a bowl of borscht himself, but Putin and his buddies know enough to make it untraceable.
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:28 PM on July 26, 2016


> Someone on the Periscope: "we just keep watching the TV and when they do Black Lives Matter stuff we get the hell back in there so we don't have the Elijah Cummings thing happen again."

that's so cute though. and I mean that in a totally positive way. like, the people who've walked out aren't all loons or jackasses. There's a lot of people who mean well but who are, well, newbs, and more than a bit disorganized, and/but they're learning.

like for reals ten years from now there's going to be well-known people whose political biographies start with "x first worked in politics on the Bernie Sanders campaign in 2016."
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 4:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Spathe Cadet: Could someone explain the Laurie Penny tweet?

Not sure what's going on, but it looks like they took over the media area but aren't being allowed back in? She just had a followup tweat:

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
Ohio delegates for #BernieOrBust say they were threatened with having their credentials revoked. 'The Democrats don't care about the 99%'
posted by bluecore at 4:29 PM on July 26, 2016


Why were the delegates out in the first place?
posted by Tarumba at 4:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


showbiz_liz for Congress!
posted by persona au gratin at 4:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I realized that if I ever wanted to be involved in politics, I should probably stop, like immediately.

Fortunately everything I've ever written has been subtle and measured and quite frankly pure fucking gold so I hope I can count on all your votes
posted by Greg Nog at 4:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [50 favorites]


I started posting on message boards when I was like 13. Somewhere around age 15 or 16, I realized that if I ever wanted to be involved in politics, I should probably stop, like immediately. And... well, you can see how that turned out

Now I'm wondering, has 'look at this hot garbage my opponent posted to usenet in 1996!' figured into any significant political campaigns, yet?
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


showbiz_liz, I think you're fine - in The Future we'll have all the candidate's old Snapchats and Periscopes and Pokemons.
posted by zutalors! at 4:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's Time for Bill Clinton to Take His Talents Far From His Wife's Campaign:
If Clinton really wants to do something for his wife, he should give her something worth more than an Oval Office full of roses. He should give her the down ticket. Get her a Congress she can work with. Go to Wisconsin and pull crowds for Russ Feingold, go to New Hampshire and help Maggie Hassan wrap Donald Trump around Kelly Ayotte's neck. Katie McGinty in Pennsylvania, Ted Strickland in Ohio, and Catherine Cortez Masto in New Mexico all could benefit from some Clinton magic. Go to Missouri and show Jason Kander how it's done.
posted by palindromic at 4:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [66 favorites]


Last week, I could not have been more dismayed about a party's conduct in a Presidential election; this week, I have been brought to tears by this beautiful coalition of people standing up to fight intersectional oppression. To quote Senator Booker, "We will rise!"
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 4:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Tarumba: Why were the delegates out in the first place?

A walkout to protest, it appears.
posted by bluecore at 4:31 PM on July 26, 2016


I can still tell you pretty much every president's middle name, if you're curious

Do Harry Truman!
posted by tobascodagama at 4:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I don't know oneswellfoop Trump doesn't remind me of a Professor Moriarity type. I could totally see him being brazen enough to accept bribes without using go betweens.

Hell he probably has a folder on his computer with Sekrit Monnee Stuf
posted by vuron at 4:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wait, is this person complaining because they staged a protest walkout and then aren't being allowed back in?

What do they think a protest walkout is?
posted by aspo at 4:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


Us middle-aged mom types from flyover country are going to elect our country's first ever lady president. You're welcome, America!
posted by triggerfinger at 4:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [50 favorites]


I'm not sure accusing the republicans of being bad at computers is the best tactic here.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 4:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


and Pokemons.

Candidate 1: You'll notice that UNLIKE my opponent, I never named an Ekans "Handjob"
Candidate 2: I can explain! I was thinking about handjobs at the time
posted by Greg Nog at 4:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


c'mon, busters - if you behead marie antoinette you can't have your cake and eat it too
posted by stolyarova at 4:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


thanks, moms
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I believe they're not allowing any more delegates into the media tent, not back into the arena.
posted by acidic at 4:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It would be cleverer to name it Sbojdnah anyway.
posted by rorgy at 4:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Now I'm wondering, has 'look at this hot garbage my opponent posted to usenet in 1996!' figured into any significant political campaigns, yet?
I mean, Bernie published an article opining that old bitch teachers caused cancer, and it didn't seem to hurt him. If you're a white dude, I think you can assume that your youthful internet indiscretions won't hurt you. If you're not, then obviously anything is going to hurt you, including just existing. But since you're guilty of just existing anyway, I wouldn't worry about it.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


You're welcome!
posted by soren_lorensen at 4:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


To be clear, the delegates who walked out then walked into the media tent, where they presumably aren't supposed to be.
posted by zachlipton at 4:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Schumer's pretty lackluster, but I'm glad he's hammering the House/Senate/Supreme Court line.
posted by rp at 4:35 PM on July 26, 2016


Aaaah, Jimmy Carter. I have a real soft spot for any Chritians who really walk the walk.

When I think about his presidency I always get infuriated over how much he was mocked for telling Americans to turn down the heat and put on a sweater. Like true, red-blooded Americans use as much energy as possible. And one of the first things that Reagan did when he came to the White House was rip off the solar panels. Gee. Imagine if the Republicans hadn't been such jackholes about energy usage we might be off the gas pipe by now.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [57 favorites]


This whole thing is so interesting to watch for me as a woman who grew up in India, and to a certain extent always took for granted that women could lead the country. Yes, there was Indira Gandhi, but we also had a female President. Sonia Gandhi could easily have become Prime Minister, and was asked to again and again by her party, but ultimately "abdicated" in favor of Manmohan Singh. My own state, Tamil Nadu, flip-flopped between two parties my entire childhood, with one of the parties lead by the megalomaniacal former actress, Jayalalitha. She herself was not the first female Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, that record goes to Janaki Ramachandran (though only formally). And their have been many other female Chief Ministers of other states, which I think is pretty good considering we've only been around since 1947.

All of which is not to say that India is not a terribly patriarchal and sexist place, and I would much rather be a poor woman in the US than in India. But I think it's interesting that the sexism in different places manifests in different ways. I was surprised at some of the retrograde attitudes towards women in power that I encountered here, as well as the double standards regarding candidates' private lives. Perhaps the biggest barrier to entry is the convoluted primary process and the fact that it's a direct election. if Hillary Clinton needed only to convince her party members (i.e. the superdelegates) that she was the best person to lead the party, we would probably have had President Clinton in 2008.
posted by peacheater at 4:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


Do Harry Truman!
That's a trick question.
posted by Superplin at 4:36 PM on July 26, 2016


Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
Ohio delegates for #BernieOrBust say they were threatened with having their credentials revoked. 'The Democrats don't care about the 99%'


so here's the thing guys you can't actually be a delegate for #bernieorbust you can be a delegate for bernie or you can be a delegate for hillary or you can be an asshole

or i guess a delegate for o'malley
posted by dersins at 4:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I mean, Bernie published an article opining that old bitch teachers caused cancer, and it didn't seem to hurt him.

I mean, like, literally stuff from usenet or AOL boards being dug up and used against somebody
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:36 PM on July 26, 2016


"But if we can't symbolically walk out and then get back in later then we might miss the cool speakers later on!"

BUT MOM!
posted by vuron at 4:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Does anyone really think the $$$ that Dishonest Donald gets from Russia is going to show up on his tax returns? He may be two beets short of a bowl of borscht himself, but Putin and his buddies know enough to make it untraceable.

He pays his own companies to do campaign work, so if you could get that money into the campaign funds through donors that would be a way to hide it.
posted by jason_steakums at 4:36 PM on July 26, 2016


Uh-oh.
posted by mynameisluka at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016


Effie!!!
posted by acidic at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016


Could someone explain the Laurie Penny tweet?

Judging from her feed, she's either a full-blown reddit-style bernie conspiracy theorist (ALL BERNIE SUPPORTERS WILL BE ARRESTED! REMEMBER MY WORDS! HILLARY BUSTED!!!), or just doing her best to emulate one.

The "Yiannopoulos " ‏gamergater egging her on in the comments is a nice touch.
posted by effbot at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


What an entrance O.O
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]



Us middle-aged mom types from flyover country are going to elect our country's first ever lady president. You're welcome, America!


My batshit wingnut dad confidently assumes my mother will be voting Republican as usual. My batshit wingnut dad is wrong. (OK, so they're verging on elderly, but the point stands.)
posted by skybluepink at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


thanks, moms

Thoms.
posted by tobascodagama at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


oh man if I was a delegate I'd totally be yelling that I volunteer as tribute right now, then holding my hand up expectantly for high fives
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


If they actually walked out of the building, is it maybe a security thing? I hope it's a security thing and they just need to go through it again and not some petty shit. Don't ruin my high, DNC!
posted by like_neon at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016


I actually wouldn't be surprised if it was a fire marshall deal. That's been an issue at previous conventions that my sister has worked. She has to keep in mind, when providing resources for media, that she can't have them need to leave and come back to access them, because they may not be able to get back in for important speeches and moments.

Or possibly the party has just lost patience with the babies, but if they were going to lock them out I would expect it would be on Day Four for the acceptance speech.
posted by tavella at 4:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


RNC jokes. You would have had to see The Donald's entrance for that to make sense.
posted by sideshow at 4:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ugh the PBS feed is apparently not believing in providing titles for people and I have no idea who this person is except I guess her name is Elizabeth Banks and I guess she's famous?
posted by winna at 4:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Ah. yes. Now I get it.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh my god harry potter AND hunger games?
posted by Tarumba at 4:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Elizabeth Banks entrance. Who's ready to pound cheesesteaks after this?!
posted by Sophie1 at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Poor miss Banks...having to fill the time after the big emotional moment....with jokes
posted by OHenryPacey at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016


Insomniac from Foreignia here. I just want to tell you that watched the roll call and felt good feelings about democracy and progress and everything and I just... I feel good for the USA and about the USA and it's nice. So goodness and niceness to you all!
posted by haapsane at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


FYI, per my conservative family, apparently the Republican complaint about the DNC last night is that there were no American flags on stage, hence, not very American.
posted by snofoam at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016



I have no idea who this person is except I guess her name is Elizabeth Banks and I guess she's famous?



Yeah, you got it.
posted by zutalors! at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


She's in the Hunger Games movies.
posted by lovecrafty at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016


so here's the thing guys you can't actually be a delegate for #bernieorbust you can be a delegate for bernie or you can be a delegate for hillary or you can be an asshole

At some part there's a "bust" part of Bernie or Bust. We've put up with plenty. Get the fuck out already if you're done with the party.
posted by Talez at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Elizabeth Banks is awesome. "Some of you know me from the hunger games, in which I play Effie Trinket, a cruel out of touch reality TV star who wears insane wigs while delivering long winded speeches to a violent dystopia. So when I tuned into Cleveland last week, I was like hey, that's my act!"
posted by Torosaurus at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [116 favorites]


I have moved to the nice cspan feed with the terrible visual quality so I know who people are huzzah.
posted by winna at 4:40 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm getting #DemExit post on my FB feed now, only from 2 people but it's just nuts. They are claiming that 13 million will be dropping their party on Thursday.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 4:40 PM on July 26, 2016


I mean, like, literally stuff from usenet or AOL boards being dug up and used against somebody
Right, but isn't "stuff I published in random lefty newspapers in the late 60s" the old-person version of AOL boards? I don't see why unfortunate AOL-board posts would be any more or less damaging than unfortunate lefty-newspaper columns.

Of course, there are a lot of people who still claim that Michelle Obama's college thesis shows that she hates America, but you know: not a white guy.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:41 PM on July 26, 2016


We're getting a hair retrospective.
posted by winna at 4:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


25 delegates pouting outside, according to this tweet
posted by Tarumba at 4:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This 'children' ad is pretty great.
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow, Jerry Emmett (the 102 year honorary delegate from Arizona) is amazing:
She holds up former president Franklin Delano Roosevelt as the quintessential Democrat, explaining that his New Deal-era political philosophies embody the spirit of what she has always loved about the party, and what she believes the country should return to: "I see nothing wrong with taxes. If I pay five cents on a hundred dollars so that some kid can get food, I think that’s perfectly all right. And I think that’s a Democratic view."
posted by peacheater at 4:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [50 favorites]




The police appear to be crowd-controlling the media tent (not letting more in) where the Bernie or Bust people are staging a sit-in? And the protestors claim they were told they'd be arrested if they didn't put away the Bernie signs? And apparently the Bernie volunteers (not delegates) had their creds revoked for the rest of the week, but the Hillary volunteers were allowed in.

Also why Thursday for #DemExit? You gonna do it, then do.
posted by zennie at 4:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well, less the 90% who are sticking around to vote for HRC. (And it will be a higher percentage than that very soon.)
posted by bearwife at 4:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Social workers and child advocates. I'm going to cry again.
posted by mynameisluka at 4:42 PM on July 26, 2016


SOCIAL WORKERS REPRESENT.
posted by AlexiaSky at 4:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yeap, it's clearly fringe, as the tweet calls it.
posted by Tarumba at 4:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh no poor Anton Moore his mic didn't work for the first several seconds he was speaking.
posted by winna at 4:43 PM on July 26, 2016


Yeah I kinda feel for all of you peeps from Overtheristan who are more or less depending on the US getting it's shit together and not electing a Bright Orange Dumpster Fire as president.

It's like watching the US be willing to roll the dice with the fate of the world because a sizable number of people are afraid of brown and black people.
posted by vuron at 4:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Also why Thursday for #DemExit? You gonna do it, then do.

It's white people so you have to devote a certain amount of time to awareness before you actually do anything.
posted by Talez at 4:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"We must stand up and promote non-violence."
posted by winna at 4:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


We need more occasions for a stadium full of people to cheer social workers.
posted by jason_steakums at 4:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


Fuck yeah. Take on Ableism. FOR real, people, this is soooo legit.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


"Disability is not a problem to be cured but a part of our identity."
posted by winna at 4:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


At this point, I question the credibility of the walkout group. Isn't this all on periscope? Why no video or anything? I'll be happy to change my opinion if there is actual evidence.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 4:45 PM on July 26, 2016


It's like watching the US be willing to roll the dice with the fate of the world because a sizable number of people are afraid of brown and black people.

"Like"
posted by Pope Guilty at 4:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I still hate the "I'm with her" slogan but we're stuck with it so I'll ignore it rather than grinding my teeth to nubbins. We don't have the luxury of my nitpicks.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh, they are trying to hang in the media tent? Assholes. It's for media, and has very specific resources and space requirements. I'm guessing it's because they want the air conditioning.
posted by tavella at 4:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is powerful. We have an elementary teacher talking about what Hillary Clinton did for Arkansas public schools.
posted by winna at 4:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


The Chelsea Test: If it wasn't good enough for her daughter, it wasn't good enough for any child.
posted by Sophie1 at 4:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm guessing it's because they want the air conditioning.

No they want the exposure.

Also probably the AC.
posted by dersins at 4:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm With Her is pretty great. It's the first time in history that we can say that phrase.
posted by mochapickle at 4:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I once got into the Chicago plantarium for free by arguing with a guy that free day for public service (fire fighters and police) should include social work. Free ticket!

It's not my proudest advocacy moment, but it's the most I've gained from it :p
posted by AlexiaSky at 4:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I don't understand the mindset of someone, no matter how passionate a supporter of Sanders, who can't enjoy the historic moment right now.

One of the worst fights I got into with one of my best friends was the day after the 2008 election, when he was bummed that Obama had been elected - not because he's a Republican or a racist, but because my friend's a super-devoted Green Party member and "but what's the big deal when there's no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans" and I was shrieking "OH MY GOD CAN YOU NOT GIVE THAT A REST FOR JUST A HALF A DAY"....

....we kind of mutually agreed that we should totally avoid discussing politics on days when major political events are happening and we now confine ourselves strictly to discussing puppies and food on those days.

I can't tell you what's behind his mindset if he is grumbling about Hillary, but I can maybe get you his gluten-free carrot cake recipe.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Ooo, "I'm not a Democrat but I'm with her" is good shit.
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


The fact that these are ordinary people with concrete examples is important. They're not polished speakers, but their convictions shine through.
posted by winna at 4:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Compare this to the RNC speakers and presentations. I'm just bowled over and proud.
posted by mochapickle at 4:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh shit. I didn't know the internship spot.
posted by mrzarquon at 4:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well to be fair Pope Guilty I was mainly just referring to the fate of the human species, I'm pretty sure that the Earth would probably be able to survive whatever crap Trump threw at it.
posted by vuron at 4:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"A high cost for low expectations of our kids." This former foster kid attorney makes me want to weep. I'm at work so never mind.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I am seen". Loretta Lynch made a phrase for the time. I'm glad it was said towards to trans people first. I'm cool with y'all borrowing it though.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Jelani Freeman, child welfare attorney "[Hillary] said Jelani, I'm proud of you. I felt seen and heard."
posted by winna at 4:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"I'm with Her" is history. This will be in textbooks and American history classes forever. I personally love it.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh my god I already love this woman
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


DONNA!
posted by winna at 4:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I've always loved Donna Brazile. Always always.
posted by winna at 4:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


This is going to come across as condescending to Republicans* (I blame the tequila), but I honestly can't understand how anyone could possibly not be on board with this amazingness.

*I have some Republican friends I love and admire very much. They are horrified by Trump.
posted by Superplin at 4:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I'm no spring chicken but I have seen some things." Right there with you, Donna.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


This is the history of Hillary that I don't think enough people know.
posted by mrzarquon at 4:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I lost my cable feed during the roll call and just got it back

What'd I miss
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 4:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


What even is this?

Can someone tell them its over? Hillary is the nominee! DONE. I don't understand these Silenced All My Life taped over their mouths. Did the convention not just tolerate your asses booing at everything? Didn't your leader Bernie himself assure everyone that your votes have been counted?
posted by like_neon at 4:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


As a data point, it seems like four homemade margaritas may be my limit for coherency.
I'm going to count this as research in political communication. I'm sure my dean will be persuaded.
posted by Superplin at 4:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


This portion needs to be required viewing before you enter the voting booth. Hillary Clinton reserved a fucking internship for foster youth, she worked for the Childrens Defense Fund, went undercover in segregated schools in Alabama, she made sure Arkansas schools passed the Chelsea Test. This woman is amazing.
posted by Sophie1 at 4:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [57 favorites]


I lost my cable feed during the roll call and just got it back What'd I miss

History.
posted by zachlipton at 4:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Can't watch because I'm at work, but I'm starting to wish Eurovision votes were announced this way.

Almost the only good thing about the Brexit foofarraw is my anticipation of what a colossal grudge fest the Eurovision will be next year. It will be EPIC.
posted by Jon Mitchell at 4:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, 50 or 100 years from now only historians will probably know anything about Trump.

On the other hand schoolkids will probably be reading in their textbook equivalents about how Obama was the first African American president and Hillary Clinton was the first Woman President.

And 240 years from now some talented artist will probably set some sort of innovative musical exploration of this time period.
posted by vuron at 4:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


This is going to come across as condescending to Republicans* (I blame the tequila), but I honestly can't understand how anyone could possibly not be on board with this amazingness.

I had this discussion with my husband today. You look at the two parties and one is exclusive, talking about banning people and building walls. Few people of color at the convention. One gay person. No disabled people. Then you look at the inclusion at the DNC and it is very obvious by every storytelling trope I've ever heard of-- we are so obviously the good guys. It couldn't be more clear.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


Donna Brazile just lit this shit on fire.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


How did I not know Donna Brazile was this awesome?
posted by dersins at 4:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Dancin' Donna!
posted by mochapickle at 4:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This "Kids, you have a champion," stuff is so gooooood.

I'm really hoping all of this will start to open the eyes of people who've only heard the right-wing crap about Hillary and taken it as truth.
posted by Salieri at 4:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


What even is this?

Gawd, I kept a straight face through the talk about their pain, but the hands on the glass is too much.
posted by ftm at 4:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donna Fucking Brazile. I would stand up and cheer here in my living room but my lap is full of sleeping cat. I did make the cat high-five me, though.
posted by Stacey at 4:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


You wanna know which party agrees that Black Lives Matter?
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


All of these personal testimonies are also very good for the BoBs to hear; hopefully they'll feel good about voting for Hillary and will bring their friends/family along.
posted by carmicha at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016


I gotta take a break and pop over to the wine emporium to buy some wine, but I don't wanna, because I don't want to miss anything. I didn't think I'd find the DNC so riveting.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Eagle Academy sounds like it is doing good work, but I am VERY suspicious of anyone who calls himself the CEO of a school.
posted by dersins at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I fucking love Donna Brazile so much!
posted by Sophie1 at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I remember the Clinton Era as a child, because I'm currently 31. I remember Hope Ark as the place to buy watermelon with the Clinton sign and the brief history lecture from my grandparents.

It's really interesting to hear about all the stuff she was doing, as I was not involved in politics but Hillary has really been involved my entire lifetime.
posted by AlexiaSky at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I do suspect that there are some Republicans of conscience that were wondering to themselves during the RNC and asking their friends "Hans, are we the baddies?"
posted by vuron at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [51 favorites]


This is going to come across as condescending to Republicans* (I blame the tequila), but I honestly can't understand how anyone could possibly not be on board with this amazingness.

The central narrative of the US has always been an argument between "amazing things can happen" vs "everything is fucked".

Anyway, Donna Brazile sashaying off the stage FTW.
posted by holgate at 5:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


we are so obviously the good guys. It couldn't be more clear.

Well, if the Republicans were wearing skulls on their hats, it would be a little more clear.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 5:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Damn it, vuron.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 5:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm sitting here in Hawaii with my immigrant wife eating Korean food for lunch and singing "how lucky we are to be alive right now." What's that saying about the arc of history?
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


>> I just looked up Rosa Luxemburg, and I still don't understand what these cosplayers think they are saying

> I'm pretty sure it was a snarky joke about the KPD/SPD dispute and the rise of the Nazis in Germany.


okay so I know this is going pretty far upthread but just to be clear for reals there's a highly upvoted comment on the convention megathread where someone is all "Bernie Sanders has just killed Rosa Luxemberg all over again"

and well as someone who is really devoted to the project of being a leftist self-parody, well, basically it looks like I'm going to have to try harder at it. to you know keep up.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 5:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Looks like the Eagle Academies in New York are "hybrids" that act in some ways like charters but whose teachers are members of the teachers' union. So not quite as bad as it sounds.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


apparently the Republican complaint about the DNC last night is that there were no American flags on stage, hence, not very American.

Politi"Fact" will get right on it and verify. They have no choice because it's out there.
posted by JackFlash at 5:02 PM on July 26, 2016




Good work, young men.
posted by penduluum at 5:03 PM on July 26, 2016


"[Hillary] said Jelani, I'm proud of you. I felt seen and heard."

Okay I know this is super corny but I always think of this Toni Morrisson / Oprah lesson when I hear something like that. Watching this permanently shaped the way I interact with people. I see this as part of why Hillary's "love and kindness" and listening is important.
posted by sallybrown at 5:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Dangit how'm I gonna doa beer run with all this continuous awesome
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well its most likely because trump bought all the flags in the United states for the RNC.
posted by AlexiaSky at 5:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I must say the actors have done the best job of projecting their voices and speaking clearly (Eva Longoria yesterday and Elizabeth Banks today).
posted by peacheater at 5:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


effbot: Could someone explain the Laurie Penny tweet?

Judging from her feed, she's either a full-blown reddit-style bernie conspiracy theorist (ALL BERNIE SUPPORTERS WILL BE ARRESTED! REMEMBER MY WORDS! HILLARY BUSTED!!!), or just doing her best to emulate one.


Just for clarification: Laurie Penny is a journalist. She wrote that incredible profile of the guy banned from twitter for the Leslie Jones harassment campaign:

I’m With The Banned: What my evening with Milo told me about Twitter’s biggest troll, the death of reason, and the crucible of A-list con-men that is the Republican National Convention.


I think it should be required reading for the election season. I don't know her personal politics regarding Bernie, however.

Sorry this is semi-off topic. Just wanted to clarify who she was.
posted by bluecore at 5:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Stop jerking us around, Chuck, tell us what this titanic statue of a giant woman is

is it like a Steven Universe thing
posted by Greg Nog at 5:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I think of all the people who would rightly feel terrorized by a Trump presidency, and think this has to look to them like a place of sanity and refuge.
posted by argybarg at 5:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm not crying.
posted by Sophie1 at 5:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


you are thinking correctly argybarg
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm so annoyed that it's moving day and I'm dealing with late-ass movers who are already an hour late and I'm going to miss class tonight... but maybe it's a good night to get some cold beers and unpack while I cry to some speeches?
posted by palomar at 5:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I think of all the people who would rightly feel terrorized by a Trump presidency, and think this has to look to them like a place of sanity and refuge.

Oh, man, this is me. The RNC left me terrified and I am so heartened and hopeful because of the personal testimonials and the happy and diverse faces.
posted by mochapickle at 5:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


"Donald, did you hear me? An already great nation."
posted by zombieflanders at 5:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


I love how they keep hammering the Already Great thing.
posted by Mooski at 5:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I love you AG Holder!
posted by sallybrown at 5:08 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh I am not onboard with the valorization of the police no matter that I understand why it's politically necessary.
posted by winna at 5:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is powerful. We have an elementary teacher talking about what Hillary Clinton did for Arkansas public schools.

Why teachers unions hated Hillary Clinton when she was in Arkansas.
posted by ennui.bz at 5:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yes! Real law enforcement is not a prerogative of the Right. Fairness and a sense of community are good for police and community residents.

Man it is hard to type when tipsy.I know most of you learned this lesson years ago.
posted by Superplin at 5:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Holder is at least balancing the message with the truth about the racial disparities in sentencing.
posted by winna at 5:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]



>> I just looked up Rosa Luxemburg, and I still don't understand what these cosplayers think they are saying

> I'm pretty sure it was a snarky joke about the KPD/SPD dispute and the rise of the Nazis in Germany.

okay so I know this is going pretty far upthread but just to be clear for reals there's a highly upvoted comment on the convention megathread where someone is all "Bernie Sanders has just killed Rosa Luxemberg all over again"


I really thought this was just a clever joke on your part and I'm a little concerned that we now need a Poe's Law equivalent for the left wing.
posted by dis_integration at 5:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


We need to embrace these Bernie people. They are sad, so they are acting up. Respect and affection and appreciation for their sincerity, work and ideals is the best medicine.

Also, this is a great review of HRC's rather awesome history of working for social justice.
posted by bearwife at 5:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


But what do they want to happen?
posted by ftm at 5:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Award for calling a spade a spade: Admitting the continuing influence of Jim Crow.
posted by mochapickle at 5:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


YOU TURN 18, YOU'RE REGISTERED TO VOTE.
posted by Mooski at 5:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I wish Holder had been more emphatic: "Crime is down. You have been lied to. In fact, last week was a festival of lies."
posted by angrycat at 5:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Re the teachers unions from the linked article: "Hillary assiduously courted and won the endorsement of the two big teacher unions this year: the AFT and the NEA. She’s disappointed liberals in the education reform movement by trashing charter schools, of which she used to be supportive. The Wall Street Journal editorial board last week accused her of being bought off: “Mrs. Clinton’s charter reversal suggests her Education Department would be a wholly owned union subsidiary.”"

I loathe the charter school movement, so the fact that it appears that Clinton has changed her mind on education reform to reject them since the late eighties seems like good news to me.
posted by winna at 5:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [64 favorites]


I'm not okay saying America is great, because there are many nations who do lots better than us in some very important metrics.

But I'm okay with calling the other partys fear mongering fiction.
posted by AlexiaSky at 5:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


But what do they want to happen?

They want the nomination taken away from Clinton and given to Sanders, because fuck democracy apparently.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


So my moms is a big-deal, very vocal advocate on GMO/farming/legislation. Describes herself as "the last of the flower children." An idealist, with the highest hopes and the lowest tolerance for the less-than-ideal. And I think that after the decades of fighting, and decades of disappointment (lookin at you, 1980-2008), she's more than earned it.

And I called her today when I went to grab some lunch (as one does) because I needed someone to bounce my teary, amazed reaction to Michelle's speech last night off of. And she was very, very in the Bernie camp. And brought up that Michael Moore, as pointed out already, said it's over, Trump already won. So I had to remind her that MM said that about Romney, too, which she wasn't aware of. She's pissed off about it all, and she's been disappointed by Obama (which, haven't we all? But, I mean, give me a viable alternative! and I get that. I also can't say that there's any way in the fucking world I'd vote for anyone else right now, regardless how I feel about it. This convention has just been incredible-- they came out of the gate so strong that I don't know how they're going to maintain the momentum, but they absolutely needed to stack the lineup like they did last night. I hope that it only builds from there.

Moms didn't, doesn't, and won't want Hillary to be president. I don't know whether she's gonna vote Green or just abstain. I KNOW HILL'S NOT PERFECT. And you know what? Compared to how far from ideal our presidents since, I dunno, way before I was born have been, I think I can at least feel good, having seen all of these beautiful people coming together, saying that I'll vote for her and feel good about it.

I dunno where I'm going with this, other than saying thank you, all of you. I didn't know how much I needed this.
posted by rp at 5:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Although I agree with Langston Hughes that America is not what we were sold, it could be great. Parts of it are great. I don't see anything wrong with us saying it's great as long as we don't pretend it's the only great place and work to make it better.
posted by winna at 5:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm not okay saying America is great, because there are many nations who do lots better than us in some very important metrics.

America need not be the best to be great. There's always something to strive for.
posted by Mooski at 5:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


> But what do they want to happen?

The collapse of the democratic party and its replacement with a left/worker's party. or something.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 5:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I wish he hadn't said "communities of color" instead of just communities.
posted by rp at 5:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Cameron McLay, police chief of Pittsburgh, speaking about the importance of police reform.
posted by winna at 5:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am super late to this party tonight but I have been sobbing over this so I am gonna need a minute more
posted by Hermione Granger at 5:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I loathe the charter school movement, so the fact that it appears that Clinton has changed her mind on education reform to reject them since the late eighties seems like good news to me.

My mom's a retired elementary school teacher, who now is a substitute elementary school teacher. She's taught people as kids and taught their kids. People often say she was the best teacher they ever had, including high school and college.

I believe every kid in the United States should have an excellent, free K-12 education.
posted by kirkaracha at 5:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Sell Out again!
posted by sideshow at 5:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


By the time you’re old enough to run, we will already have had a few women as President.

Yeah, it was going to be any day. The ERA too.
posted by bongo_x at 5:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


They're convinced they were cheated. Given that they are over 18 I don't understand why we need to keep coddling them. Adopting Bernie's positions for the platform yes, but these Bernie or Busters are not actual children and should probably stop acting like them.
posted by zutalors! at 5:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Why teachers unions hated Hillary Clinton when she was in Arkansas.

For those who didn't care to read: because her husband, in 1983, supported a proposal that mandated teacher testing.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


BTW, to those ska fans in yesterday's thread, the trombone player in Reel Big Fish confirmed it was Sell Out and not The Impression That I Get by The Bosstones.
posted by sideshow at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I am now feeling the frustration my parents felt when I was a 22 year old clueless but loud purple haired trotskyist.
posted by Tarumba at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


If it helps, you can think of America as being great in the way that Kellogg's Frosted Flakes are great.
posted by drezdn at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


These conventions are the starkest example of "Democrats want to fall in love, Republicans want to fall in line" that I can remember.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


We're having a massive thunderstorm right now and if my power goes out ima scream to the heavens.
posted by winna at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wouldn't it be neat if instead of voting for a person every 4 years, we voted for a party or parties, then those parties formed a proportional government, and elected or appointed a prime minister? Golly, that would be swell!
posted by vrakatar at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


They've been plenty embraced. They weren't kicked out despite being rude assholes who shouted over every minority and woman speaker the first day. The convention could not have been more gracious about allowing them to express their feelings about Bernie during the roll call, and they responded by deciding to walk out and then hang around and whine about how oppressed they were. Because a democratic (in both senses) vote didn't go their way.

They are exactly as argybarg described and predicted.
posted by tavella at 5:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]




I'm happy with the focus on the justice system, but I'd love to hear someone talk about un-privatizing the prison system.
posted by Mooski at 5:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


But I don't think this convention is fucked. It's spiffing so far.
posted by argybarg at 5:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


re: Sell Out - You gotta admit it's damn energetic song though.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


If it helps, you can think of America as being great in the way that Kellogg's Frosted Flakes are great.

Palatable when screamed by an anthropomorphic tiger
posted by Greg Nog at 5:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Y'all get out your Kleenex - it's the mothers of the movement segment.
posted by winna at 5:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I remember the Clinton Era as a child, because I'm currently 31.

*kills self*
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Ok I'm tuning out of the live feed. I can't take this. What strong amazing women.
posted by peacheater at 5:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm not okay saying America is great, because there are many nations who do lots better than us in some very important metrics.

Being great doesn't mean being the best, it means aspiring--and striving--to be the best.
posted by dersins at 5:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Was that last guy the villain from Ghost?
posted by gehenna_lion at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I want people to stop hating one another."
posted by winna at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Shit guys, my housemate is watching with me and I am not comfortable sobbing in front of him what do i do
posted by kalimac at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Had to change to CSPAN. Stupid MSNBC brought in Al Sharpton to talk about listening to the mothers of the struggle, while the DNC is playing the video of the mothers of the struggle actually talking. Talk about getting it wrong.
posted by cashman at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Shitfire, here come the tears again.
posted by Mooski at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Then you look at the inclusion at the DNC and it is very obvious by every storytelling trope I've ever heard of-- we are so obviously the good guys. It couldn't be more clear.

It depends on if you believe the world is a zero sum game or not. To a certain mindset, anyone promoting anyone but them means they are getting fucked. So they see brown people and the disabled and women and think "those people are not like me, therefore anything good that happens to them is bad for me."

I don't exactly know what the root cause of this divide in thought is, but it's pretty clearly a difference between conservatives and liberals.
posted by threeturtles at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Some of you know me from the hunger games, in which I play Effie Trinket, a cruel out of touch reality TV star who wears insane wigs while delivering long winded speeches to a violent dystopia. So when I tuned into Cleveland last week, I was like hey, that's my act!"

I mean, it's a good joke, but Effie Trinket is hardly cruel. She just really likes mahogany.
posted by wabbittwax at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Oh lord they're singing and putting up the ages and names of the slain. I'm crying.
posted by winna at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


My god. Just lifetimes of sadness up there.
posted by cashman at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


God, the courage to stand on that stage right now.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


DONNA!

I'm not watching yet because 30 block bus ride home but I thought this was Donna from the West Wing and got kinda sad when it was Donna Brazile instead but I guess she did good so
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


vrakatar: Wouldn't it be neat if instead of voting for a person every 4 years, we voted for a party or parties, then those parties formed a proportional government, and elected or appointed a prime minister? Golly, that would be swell!

I spent most of my adult life under this sort of government (in Italy), and I can tell you that it is not necessarily swell. It can lead to decades of musical chairs of the exact same people in charge, just in different roles, as their parties form governing coalitions that take control of policy. I share everyone's frustrations with our US system, but it's not as though there's a simple panacea.
posted by Superplin at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


LET IT OUT Kalimac!
posted by bird internet at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This mothers video is making me cry again, jesus
posted by dis_integration at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016


Hearing this entire convention shout "Black Lives Matter" MATTERS.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [54 favorites]


I am so sorry these women lost their children.
posted by zutalors! at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm not okay saying America is great, because there are many nations who do lots better than us in some very important metrics.

Great meaning large or immense, we use it in the pejorative sense!
posted by palindromic at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Pure grace, these women.
posted by mochapickle at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


The GOP had the mother of vilerat (who probably would have hated what she said), the Democrats have these women. Amazing contrast.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


God damn. I want everyone to fucking watching this.
posted by mrzarquon at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


this is unreal. these women. oh my god
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Went to the pizza spot after the roll call vote. Saw a twentysomething get the news of Clinton's nomination and drop her phone in disgust, saying "I'm not voting" then telling her friend that she doesn't "support dictators" and that Hillary is "you know, a kind of a dictator" then her friend pointed out my shirt to her and she piped down. Towards the end of their chat, I heard her saying "... well, I might start showing up for school board."

Ugh, I dunno. Disappoinment hurts. I hope she watches the actual optics of the moment later on.

I am now feeling the frustration my parents felt when I was a 22 year old clueless but loud purple haired trotskyist.


... yeeaaahh, little bit.
posted by EatTheWeak at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh god, Sandra Bland's mother is such a MOM, addressing the crowd. This is amazing.
posted by Salieri at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Sandra Bland's mom is speaking.

"Give me two moments to let me tell you how good God is."

I grew up in this kind of church and while I'm an atheist it still moves me at a fundamental level.
posted by winna at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


OMG Sandra Bland's mom
posted by angrycat at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh I have such goosebumps.
posted by chatongriffes at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016


Cries of "say their names", wow this is so powerful.
posted by gilrain at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


.
posted by AlexiaSky at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just heard that Commonwealth police officers are planning a protest of Somerville City Hall's Black Lives Matter banner. What the hell is wrong with people. Boston, am disappointed again.
posted by peacheater at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Shit guys, my housemate is watching with me and I am not comfortable sobbing in front of him what do i do

I live commented a full-on in-public meltdown a couple threads back and I'm still here so, you know, do what you need to do.
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Was that last guy the villain from Ghost?

Yes, Tony Goldwyn has made a career of being "that guy" villain but it turns out he's a kind hearted human and spokesman for AmeriCares once the camera is off.
posted by cmfletcher at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"What a blessing to be standing here tonight so that Sandy can still speak, through her mama."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


"A life cut short is a NATIONAL loss."
posted by mochapickle at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


"What a blessing it is to be standing here so that Sandy can still speak through her mama."
posted by zachlipton at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"So that Sandy can still speak through her momma." Aaaand here come the tears.
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 5:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


There is no dust Mefites, we're just crying together.
posted by gilrain at 5:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


"What a blessing that tonight Sandy can still speak, through her mama."
posted by winna at 5:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy shit. Geneva Reed-Veal can SPEAK.
posted by schmod at 5:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh my gosh, Sandra was so like her mother. If you watch the videos of Sandra talking about her thoughts on Black Lives Matter...she is her mother's daughter.

Bless these women.
posted by sallybrown at 5:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


"You don't stop being a mom when your son dies. I am still Jordan Davis's mother."
posted by zachlipton at 5:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


"I am still Jordan Davis' mother." -- Lucia McBath
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:28 PM on July 26, 2016


"You don't stop being a mom when your child dies. I am still Jordan Davis' mother."
posted by winna at 5:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


yeah bawling at this is probably the sane reaction rn
posted by rorgy at 5:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I am still Jordan Davis' mother"
posted by palindromic at 5:28 PM on July 26, 2016


How can they even, this is not my tragedy and I am bawling.

Strong women, beautiful children. This is sad but so necessary.
posted by Tarumba at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I lived in fear that my son would die like this."
posted by winna at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Damn Lucia McBath is good at this she should run for something.
posted by dis_integration at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


If there's anyone in that whole goddamn convention hall who has the right to burn it all to the ground, it would be these women. And yet they're standing here talking to all of us with such grace and dignity and I am humbled.
posted by Salieri at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [79 favorites]


As an ex-ska kid, I've gotta say it's hilarious that people are reading into the meaning of Sell Out.
posted by defenestration at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Hillary Clinton isn't afraid to say that Black lives matter."
posted by winna at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hey walker outters, don't worry about respecting these women. Just focus on adjusting the rake of your craft store Robin Hood hat.
posted by ftm at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


I love that they are panning to the black people in the audience. We need to see their pain.
posted by Tarumba at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"We're going to keep telling our children's stories, and we're going to ask you to keep saying their names."
posted by winna at 5:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sorry about the timing of my post... I'm on the train so I cannot watch right now, and this thread is moving very fast.
posted by defenestration at 5:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I am an unwilling participant in this movement. "- Sybrina Fulton, mother of Trayvon.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


I hope the #busters who walked out feel like assholes right now for missing this
posted by dersins at 5:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Holy god this convention's gonna kill me.
posted by rp at 5:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


"I am an unwilling participant in this movement. I would not have signed up for this, or any other mother standing here today. But I am here today for my son Trayvon, who is in heaven."
posted by winna at 5:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [37 favorites]


"She has the courage to lead the fight for common sense gun legislation."
posted by winna at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016


i'm going to go to bat for laurie penny as well. not sure about her viewpoint regarding bernie and the u.s. election but she is really good on issues regarding people at the margins and making this world a better place. also a very good and engaging writer.
posted by lescour at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"This isn't about being politically correct. This is about saving our children." YES YES YES
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


"This isn't about being politically correct, this is about saving our children."
posted by zombieflanders at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


"This is not about being politically correct. This is about saving our children."

YES
posted by winna at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"This isn't about being politically correct. This is about saving our children." Sybrina Fulton
posted by mochapickle at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Just focus on adjusting the rake of your craft store Robin Hood hat.

Ugh, yeah, now I see it. Legit thought they were going for Peter Pan.
posted by EatTheWeak at 5:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was amazing. That could have been the whole night.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Those women awe and humble me.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Oh my God these women

these women
posted by schadenfrau at 5:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Eeeeeeeee Andra Day went to my high school!!!!
posted by mynameisluka at 5:33 PM on July 26, 2016


Now there is a percussion group to cover the sobs everyone is making.
posted by winna at 5:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Not working.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Forget about policy for a minute. Can you imagine Donald Trump meeting with any one of these women? Can you imagine them coming away from an interaction with him where they felt he was at all a positive force in their lives?
posted by zachlipton at 5:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [38 favorites]


PRODUCTION VALUES, folks. RNC, this is how it's done. Ridic.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Re the hats: They think they're cosplaying Robin Hood but they're actually living out Peter Pan.
posted by dogrose at 5:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


The only ONLY reason America is great is that these mothers can have children killed by the worst part of it and stand up and say it is still great.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I hope the #busters who walked out feel like assholes right now for missing this

A lot of them apparently planned to come back for this, that was part of their plan. At least some realized how awful the Elijah Cummings moment was yesterday.
posted by zachlipton at 5:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Andra Day! My GF runs pro for a makeup brand and is pals with her and her makeup artist. I met her at the El Rey a few months ago, and my GF provided the makeup she is wearing right now.
posted by sideshow at 5:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I just hope people who are new to these women research them.
posted by zutalors! at 5:36 PM on July 26, 2016


seriously I am getting dehydrated
posted by mochapickle at 5:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I don't know how any voter, anywhere, after seeing a fraction of this convention, can remain undecided.
posted by klarck at 5:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


They think they're cosplaying Robin Hood but they're actually living out Peter Pan.

I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up
Not me!
I don't want to wear a tie.
And a serious expression
In the middle of July.
And if it means I must prepare
To shoulder burdens with a worried air
posted by AndrewInDC at 5:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I mean this. All of this. This is what [will] make[s] America great [again].
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 5:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also, I just asked my elderly dad who he was going to vote for. And he said he was thinking about voting for the lady but everybody seemed to be against her. I asked him to vote for her anyway and just not tell the rest of the family.

I posted something on facebook about the convention last night and a liberal friend of mine came in with a rant about Hillary and doesn't understand why she's been nominated because it seems like everyone hates her (including my friend). I mean, obviously this is not the case, but this is the perception of SO many people, and it's a problem.

I have another friend who was an early Bernie supporter and turned away from his campaign early on because she was disgusted at all the harassment she got online from some of the bros. Ever since then, she's been outspoken and PUBLIC about her support for Hillary - she was (and is) pretty much my only friend to do so, though I know there were others who supported Hillary. She says she's gotten lots of messages from other women on facebook who support Hillary and are glad she's speaking up, because they don't want to for whatever reason. So because so many supporters have chosen to not be vocal because of the HILLARY IS THE LITERAL DEVIL drumbeat, the negative press outweighs the positive by multitudes. I read somewhere yesterday that the press coverage of her that's negative is something like 83%, which is like double that of Trump. In what fucking world does it happen that Hillary gets worse coverage than Fuckface Von Clownstick???

I think we Hillary supporters really need to work to counteract that. We need to put positive news about her out there, talk about all the good she's done. We need to create an environment where it's okay to like Hillary and people won't feel like literal monsters for doing so. Because so many people - from the left and the right - have made it into a shameful thing and it absolutely isn't. A vote for Hillary can absolutely be an affirmative vote for positive change, it doesn't need to be reduced to "she's not Trump". Having to hide your vote from the rest of the family is insane. If you aren't already, start speaking out about your support for her, and why you support her. We really are stronger together.
posted by triggerfinger at 5:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [52 favorites]


These Women from the West Wing.

This is one of those moments where real life just blew Sorkin out of the water. These women!
posted by cmfletcher at 5:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I can't say it enough, the production values present in this versus the RNC really highlight exactly what Trump is. All the bluster and gloating about how he will get the best people for the job, and the RNC ended up looking so much worse than the DNC.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I've been backstage ugly crying" E Banks i have no idea what you mean DON'T LOOK AT ME
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 5:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]




New Bad Lip Reading: Cruz talks Trump.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 5:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


What are you saying? Those weird, long musical interludes and stilted speakers were the BEST weird, long musical interludes and stilted speakers. Just huge.
posted by mochapickle at 5:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


They're putting anti-women quotes juxtaposed with women and I'm so angry and sad because it's my whole life in a snippet.
posted by winna at 5:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


So I'm sitting the tv coverage out for this one, so far. Thank you mefites for reassuring me that things are mostly ok. Trump and his people want this election to be about personalities, the left has to show that it is about priorities, policy, and possibilities.
posted by vrakatar at 5:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Cecil Richards! My jam!!!!
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"This isn't just about electing the first woman president; it's about electing this woman president." YES!
posted by gilrain at 5:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


When I think about the possibility of losing my children, I can't imagine doing anything other than going to bed and staying there forever. These women are amazing. They've lost their children, they have to watch the media vilify them as "thugs," and they're probably going to be the focus of some disgusting partisan racist asshole shitlord attacks as a result of speaking out today. And they did so anyway, and they were beautiful, and I am humbled by their strength.
posted by bibliowench at 5:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [37 favorites]


"This election is not about electing the first woman president. It's about electing this woman president."

Cecile Richards, Planned Parenthood President.
posted by winna at 5:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


I'm kind of feeling some bitter cakes at my armchair-radical partner for not being at all interested in watching this. (Rest assured, he will be frog-marched to the polls in November to push the Hillary button--I do that to him every election.) Neither of us are centrists or moderates but one of us is too cool for school about participating in the system we have even though it's not the system we want.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Seh-seal...
posted by Captain l'escalier at 5:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


And 240 years from now some talented artist will probably set some sort of innovative musical exploration of this time period.

The Donald's hair will be played by an intelligent slime mold from Tau Ceti XIIII.
posted by y2karl at 5:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yeah, detaching for a moment from the content alone, the organization of these first two days and the way they make it move along has been phenomenally ultracompetent. I'm tuning into way more of this than I was expecting when I turned it on two hours ago.

I know the point is to sell Hillary Clinton to me, but, skepticism aside, they are doing one heck of a job making me feel thrilled to vote for her. I wasn't anticipating feeling this enthusiastic a month or even a week ago.
posted by rorgy at 5:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


"Come this November, women are going to be a lot more than an inconvenience."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


"Come this November women are going to be a lot more than an incovenenience because women will be the reason you're not going to be elected President."
posted by zachlipton at 5:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [44 favorites]


GET IT, CECILE.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I need "A lot more than an inconvenience" on a shirt right now
posted by Hermione Granger at 5:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


Women are going to be the reason you're not elected President.
posted by palindromic at 5:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Well it sure took y'all long enough." Cecile Richards for Ann Richards
posted by mochapickle at 5:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I was kind of dreading this "Hollywood" speech tbh but they're doing a great job.
posted by sallybrown at 5:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"All ur faves are problematic" /me waves at Lena Dunham
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ohhhhh

Lena you're on my good list for the first time in your liiiiifeee
posted by Hermione Granger at 5:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


crime rates have been falling for decades, yet being a cop is still somehow the hardest job
posted by Greg Nog at 5:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Nothing makes me feel like I'm living in the future more than using my son's Xbox to get to Youtube on my TV to use channels that don't have commercials or bloviating heads between the speeches.

It's pretty rad.
posted by emjaybee at 5:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Texans, where is Wendy Davis and that champion fillabuster heart these days?
posted by cmfletcher at 5:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Laura Bush?
posted by bird internet at 5:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


America Ferrera - "My talents were nurtured through public arts programs."

YES
posted by winna at 5:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


I don't know why America Ferrera is the one who made me cry but here we are.
posted by zutalors! at 5:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Even Andrew Sullivan, who never misses a chance to accuse Hillary and the DNC of pandering, was pretty blown away by the Mothers of the Movement.
posted by argybarg at 5:49 PM on July 26, 2016


A few months back, one of my coworkers sent on an anti-immigrant pro-Trump rant in Facebook. We work in education so we got a ton of complaints. Our boss called this person in and, long story short, decided that no employees should be sharing political opinions on social media. So far that's been limited to presidential election talk. None the less, I've been very cautious about what I share as a result.

I did, however, just share "The Schuyler Sisters" with the "How lucky we are to be alive right now" quote. I hope it makes my point without getting me busted.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Laura Bush was kinda always a closet Democrat.
posted by Andrhia at 5:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Lena Dunham and America Ferreira are being really awesome and not at all shitty and that is the opposite of what I was fearing.
posted by rorgy at 5:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Great move pairing Lena Dunham with someone very likeable. I mean I personally appreciate her art but, she's not like, someone who unites.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's great to have two women bash Trump. Trump must want to tweet about Dunham so badly right now. Take the bait, Donald, lash out like the wee man child you are.
posted by angrycat at 5:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]




Lena, we're good. I take back all the shit I talked on Twitter.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


If anyone can take shitty comments about her (gorgeous) body, it's Lena Dunham.
posted by zutalors! at 5:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Okay, mandolin conspiracy, another instant sob from me. Good lord.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Y'all's liveblogging of this is one billion percent better - more informative, more honest in reaction, more entertainingly snarky - than anyplace else I've looked at. Thank you. I owe you all a great debt because I would never be able to watch all of this (DNC or RNC) live without throwing my television out the window.
posted by rtha at 5:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


Laura Bush?

I've been afraid to spread around news about Republicans leaning toward Clinton for the sake of stopping Trump, because I haven't wanted to hear any shit about how it "proves" she's really just a Republican.

Hopefully after the convention we'll hear less of that nonsense. The Republicans who have vocally abandoned and scorned Trump to the point of leaning toward Clinton are one of the most uplifting things I've seen this year. God knows I'd be doing the same if the situation was reversed and the Democrats were nominating a great big orange basket of existential threats to the country.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 5:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


God dammit, mandolin conspiracy, I just got my emotions under control and now I'm a mess again. That was lovely.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:54 PM on July 26, 2016


The line about not caring what TV celebrities think about politics, transitioning to the beautiful shade of 'But we have to face facts - Donald Trump is the Republican candidate for President.' (paraphrased)
posted by palindromic at 5:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Lena Dunham is someone who is very well-known and polarizing among media and media-savvy types and who I think is not very well known among anyone else. I literally don't know anyone who watches Girls. I don't think most viewers are going to know who she is, let alone realize that she's polarizing.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The chef lives in an RV! I feel fucking represented after this three winters in a 32' sprinter!
posted by stet at 5:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Almost every lady I know watches Girls.
posted by zutalors! at 5:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's being reported that advanced text isn't being provided to the press for President Clinton (42)'s speech.
posted by glhaynes at 5:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


My mom definitely will not be voting Trump, but I don't see her voting Hillary either. That's fine. Usually our votes cancel each other out, this year I get a +1.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Sugar and spice are nice, but courage, intelligence and the will to lead - that's what women are made of."
posted by jason_steakums at 5:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


wow, I'm out of favorites. that hasn't happened since the limit was raised.
posted by zutalors! at 5:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Girls, or as I call it, Kylo Ren: The Early Years.
posted by Artw at 5:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


God dammit, mandolin conspiracy, I just got my emotions under control and now I'm a mess again. That was lovely.

Except for certain of the comments. Man, them are some sore losers. Is Twitter always like that ?
posted by y2karl at 5:57 PM on July 26, 2016


Boxer walks out to Eye of the Tiger. Nice.
posted by dirigibleman at 5:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


42 gonna extemporize.
posted by wabbittwax at 5:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Girls, or as I call it, Adam and The Women.
posted by zutalors! at 5:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Do the speakers get to pick their own walkout music? I hope so.
posted by zachlipton at 5:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm 'a compel him to include women in the sequel
posted by stet at 5:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Barbara Boxer coming out to "Eye of the Tiger." Touché, music team.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Happy to see my mayor out there but that speech was kinda weak sauce in its company.
posted by ftm at 5:59 PM on July 26, 2016


People are lonely because they build walls instead of bridges.
posted by ThreeCatsBob at 5:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tarumba: How can they even, this is not my tragedy and I am bawling.

I'm only reading the text of this thread and I'm tearing up.

And this is everyone's tragedy. While it my not be your or my tragedy personally, those mothers and their children are just as much a part of our nation as anyone else, and their tragedy is not theirs alone. They carry the worst of it, but it is a tragedy for all of us that it. keeps. happening.
posted by filthy light thief at 5:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


How do these delegates have any voices left? I feel like I've got sympathetic sore throat and I've only been virtually screaming.
posted by Salieri at 6:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


A few months back, one of my coworkers sent on an anti-immigrant pro-Trump rant in Facebook. We work in education so we got a ton of complaints. Our boss called this person in and, long story short, decided that no employees should be sharing political opinions on social media.

If it's a public school, how is that not a direct violation of first amendment rights?
posted by Mitrovarr at 6:00 PM on July 26, 2016


Happy to see my mayor out there but that speech was kinda weak sauce in its company.

I dunno, I thought it was nice? They can't all be barn burners.
posted by winna at 6:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The last time we all gathered here: Obama Wins Presidential Nomination

Reading this and I realize three fundamental truths at the exact same time.

(1) Some of the parallels are eerie.
(2) We're all lousy at predictions.
(3) Damn, we were good looking.
posted by rokusan at 6:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Y'all's liveblogging of this is one billion percent better - more informative, more honest in reaction, more entertainingly snarky - than anyplace else I've looked at.

Seconding. I was pretty vocally anti-liveblog and I still sorta am, but I really did not give you all the credit you deserve.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 6:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Quoting from memory and Twitter:

"I'm Lena Dunham. For Donald Trump, my body is probably a 2."

"I'm America Ferrara. And according to Donald Trump, I am probably a rapist"
posted by lalex at 6:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


They hand out slippery elm bark like licorice sticks. (Just kidding I have no idea how they keep their voices)
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:01 PM on July 26, 2016


"They've thrown everything at her, and she's. still. standing."
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 6:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Toaster stew!
posted by One Second Before Awakening at 6:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Barbara Boxer coming out to "Eye of the Tiger." Touché, music team.

In Rocky Balboa's hometown, no less.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


For whatever reason, the feed I am watching seems to be about a minute behind what many others are watching, so it seems that mefites' hot takes on memorable lines or music cues are like eerily accurate psychic predictions.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


We need to create an environment where it's okay to like Hillary and people won't feel like literal monsters for doing so. Because so many people - from the left and the right - have made it into a shameful thing and it absolutely isn't.

Yes. Yes. Yes!

I'm old enough and cynical enough to believe that you don't get to the higher echelons of politics without engaging in at least a few morally questionable activities. But I've been qualifying my support for Hillary for the past year, even though I don't see how she's any worse than Gore*, Kerry, Bill, or Obama - all the people I've supported in the past. I've actually had to force myself to stop apologizing for supporting her, and I'm trying to replace those apologies with enthusiasm because there is no logical reason that I should be more ashamed of voting for her than I would be for anyone else I've voted for since I was able to.

And now that I'm paying attention to it, I'm finding that everyone around me is reluctant to endorse her without groaning about it - even my super awesome, intelligent, liberal husband - and I'm sick of it. I'm getting a Hillary bumper sticker, t-shirt, and button, and I am going to stop giving a fuck about how people are going to react. And since I live in a right-wing, theocratic hellhole, I'm assuming a lot of these reactions are not going to be pleasant.

Bring it, fuckers. I am so done with this shit.

* Ok, so I voted for Nader in 2000 because I was an idealistic idiot and lived in California, so I figured I had a free pass. I still blame myself for the next 8 years, though.
posted by bibliowench at 6:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [53 favorites]


We're using our magical pocket watches to fast forward to important bits.
posted by winna at 6:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It was great, he's just in some really amazing company!
posted by ftm at 6:03 PM on July 26, 2016


For whatever reason, the feed I am watching seems to be about a minute behind what many others are watching, so it seems that mefites' hot takes on memorable lines or music cues are like eerily accurate psychic predictions.

Mine too.
posted by zutalors! at 6:03 PM on July 26, 2016


White women make .79$. It's much worse for women of color. I don't even want to get started on trans women.
posted by stet at 6:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


richochet, does your feed have the word LIVE next to the volume with a red dot?
posted by mochapickle at 6:04 PM on July 26, 2016


The "work full time means you shouldn't live in poverty" is a pretty ableist statement everyone. I'm not down with that at all. Define honest work in a way that gives disabled people a lift from the struggles of poverty too and we're cool. I just wanna call that out though.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


It might be shallow but Boxer is wearing a fabulous outfit.
posted by winna at 6:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


triggerfinger: Also, I just asked my elderly dad who he was going to vote for. And he said he was thinking about voting for the lady but everybody seemed to be against her. I asked him to vote for her anyway and just not tell the rest of the family.

My parents-in-law are generally Republicans, and my mother-in-law is on Team Hillary Hate (for ... reasons?).

Then there was the RNC convention.

And then they watched the first night of the DNC convention. Afterwords, they talked to my wife and said they were going to vote for the Dems.
posted by filthy light thief at 6:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


The wrong Californian senator is retiring.
posted by entropicamericana at 6:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Jeez, Boxer was Senator for 23 years ? Man, I am old.
posted by y2karl at 6:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is the 9/11 survivors portion, and I think it's going to be brutal.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:05 PM on July 26, 2016


RNC: Shitty things happen, and we are angry and blame folks.
DNC: Shitty things happen, and we are in awe of Americans.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


The "work full time means you shouldn't live in poverty" is a pretty ableist statement everyone. I'm not down with that at all. Define honest work in a way that gives disabled people a lift from the struggles of poverty too and we're cool. I just wanna call that out though.

As someone who has worked since 16 and now may possibly never work full-time again, I appreciate this.
posted by mochapickle at 6:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


DIAF Giuliani, DIAF
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


YES the ratfucking of Rudy.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


If it's a public school, how is that not a direct violation of first amendment rights?

It's not a public school.
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:09 PM on July 26, 2016


The "work full time means you shouldn't live in poverty" is a pretty ableist statement everyone

It's an effective statement to fend off cries about "welfare queens" exploiting the system at the most base level. More than that, it's an affirmative statement. Someone who works a full time job should be earning a living wage. That is a statement which does not exclude or preclude any form of benefits to support the disabled.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Uh, "Live and Let Die" may not have been the best musical choice there.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Seriously do not agree with "Live and Let Die" to introduce a 9/11 first responder.
posted by palindromic at 6:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I'm not a huge fan of the NYPD all the time, but I, too, remember what the air tasted and smelled like. The guys who gave their lives down there are as heroic as anyone.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I actually have a friend who has been battling cancer off and on since she was a volunteer responder who worked Ground Zero. I know who she's voting for.
posted by emjaybee at 6:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why is Joss Whedon addressing the convention? Is it a Buffy thing?
posted by stet at 6:11 PM on July 26, 2016


The "work full time means you shouldn't live in poverty" is a pretty ableist statement everyone

Speeches aren't 100 page policy documents. They're not going to be able to cover for every single possible permutation.
posted by Mitrovarr at 6:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"A lot of people moved on, they thought everything was fine, but Hillary Clinton kept in touch."
posted by winna at 6:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Spot the difference
posted by zombieflanders at 6:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


The "work full time means you shouldn't live in poverty" is a pretty ableist statement

I think that's an uncharitable take on it -- if a person works full time, they should be able to live above the poverty line and do so without additional government assistance. That's what a living wage is about.

For people unable to work full time due to disability, or any other factor, they should be able live above the poverty line and receive their rightful government assistance without undue procedural burdens.

(Edited for clarity: apologies for all of the nested negatives before.)
posted by chimaera at 6:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Could someone explain the Laurie Penny tweet?

Judging from her feed, she's either a full-blown reddit-style bernie conspiracy theorist (ALL BERNIE SUPPORTERS WILL BE ARRESTED! REMEMBER MY WORDS! HILLARY BUSTED!!!), or just doing her best to emulate one.

Just for clarification: Laurie Penny is a journalist. She wrote that incredible profile of the guy banned from twitter for the Leslie Jones harassment campaign


Previous posts about Penny.
posted by homunculus at 6:15 PM on July 26, 2016


Laura Manning, 9/11 survivor - "In the darkest days and hardest times the people who show up are the ones that mean everything."
posted by winna at 6:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Just catching up on Pittsburgh's police chief and a) omg he's such a dork and b) he's been doing a very difficult job here--our police department is fucked up--but I respect him enormously.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Well that woman ruled
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I was gone for a bit then just tuned back in time for that last speaker. Who was she? That was fucking strong.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 6:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"They were supposed to be off duty that day."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well that woman ruled

I'll just rt this every few minutes
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Lauren Manning, one of the most injured people to survive 9/11.
posted by palindromic at 6:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's my elderly dad who said he was thinking about voting for the lady but everybody seemed to be against her. I asked him to vote for her anyway and just not tell the rest of the family because he is frail and his ex-wife used to verbally threaten him and at least twice physically abused him and they are still close. The best odds for my dad actually voting for Hillary is if he doesn't share that plan with his creepy, Fox-loving, abusive ex who will absolutely be voting Republican. In contrast, I was not impressed by Hillary. I didn't like her. I was a Bernie supporter. Last night I was on board. Tonight I am genuinely excited about voting for her because tonight I have learned many reasons to be excited. So don't worry, I won't be keeping my support a secret. Just don't want my dad locked in a closet or something on election day. (Apologies for the derail.)
posted by Bella Donna at 6:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


mrjohnmuller, Lauren Manning was an exec at Cantor Fitzgerald.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Congressman Joseph Crowley is speaking about that day. He lost close family who were firefighters.
posted by winna at 6:18 PM on July 26, 2016


If you're a political talking head, what is the polar opposite of "red meat" that we're hearing now.

I'm going to call it leadership.
posted by cmfletcher at 6:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is Lauren Manning's story. It's a hard read.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Hillary really did kick major ass during the immediate aftermath of 9-11 and the years afterward. It's when I realized she's a badass and questioned what the media had sold me all through the 90's.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


About all you need to know about Laurie Penny is this tweet, IMHO:

"Important note: it is over ninety degrees outside and hundreds of #BernieorBust delegates are trapped there without water #DNCWalkOut"

That is, a bunch of people who voluntarily walked out, and in fact are entirely free to go out and buy some water, or heck, go to the bathroom and drink from the faucet... she tries to portray them as tortured martyrs. Your basic narcissist.
posted by tavella at 6:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


It is a grotesque shame and a disgrace that the first responders had to fight for their rights. It will always be a disgrace.

More from Crowley- "Where was Donald Trump after the attack? He. Cashed. In."
posted by winna at 6:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Trump profited from 9/11? How not shocking. How totally in character.
posted by Bella Donna at 6:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh snap. Calling Trump out for profiteering on 9/11.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 6:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


You know, the RNC last week was all tell, tell, tell.

The Dems aren't needing to tell. They're showing who Clinton is and how this matters, and why this matters.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


"Where was Donald Trump after the attack? He. Cashed. In."

That's totally not true!

He was also imagining Muslims dancing in the streets.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Waterworks again over here.
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 6:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is too many 911 speeches for me. It was 15 years ago; she sounds like Rudy Giuliani; and it feels super pandery to me.
posted by likeatoaster at 6:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I kind of feel you, likeatoaster, but I think it's relevant because it speaks to her leadership as a senator.
posted by winna at 6:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yeah, I'm not into it, but she was NY's senator at the time and it's a strong part of her record.
posted by yasaman at 6:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm really impressed with the consistent quality of speakers here, whether professional politicians or ordinary people.
posted by tavella at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Live and let die"
posted by clavdivs at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016


This is too many 911 speeches for me. It was 15 years ago; it feels like Rudy Giuliani; and it feels super pandery to me.

Yeah, it's a super weird inclusion that doesn't seem to match any of the messages the convention is supposed to be sending.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


For a lot of people 9/11 was foundational in their identity. That was attempting to appeal to them. I hope it works a bit.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The 9/11 speeches would bother me if they were not connected to her skills as a legislator.
posted by argybarg at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


@likeatoaster I think it was kinda needed. And couldn't have been done better.
posted by rp at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I would agree, likeatoaster, but they're basically hitting on all the shit she's got done in her career. Two speeches isn't too many, I think.
posted by cooker girl at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


OK, Clinton's spent a lifetime working for justice and equality, but remember last week when we heard that Trump wrote a nice note on his daughter's report card one time?
posted by glhaynes at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


She was a Senator from New York and worked to secure funding for survivors. People are trying to say she's letting in undocumented terrorists. "Pandery" what even.
posted by zutalors! at 6:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


"I'm with her, because she has always been with us."
posted by peacheater at 6:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I was just telling someone about the mothers of the movement piece and now I'm crying all over again.
posted by winna at 6:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I was 21 on 9/11. That day has been the foundation of my adulthood. It is relevant in a way that Benghazi is not.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


Come on, we can do this right? She will win right? It would be an injustice of cosmic proportions.
posted by peacheater at 6:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Erika Alexander, I don't know what you act in but you are a lovely young person and I love your hair.
posted by winna at 6:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




Wow, I love how the podium lowered automatically as he walked towards it. Good job, DNC.
posted by peacheater at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


Podium of the year IMO
posted by theodolite at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I agree with his sentiment, in case it's not clear.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh shit, Siouxland represent!
posted by jason_steakums at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016


Those comments are gross, sorry.
posted by zutalors! at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Erika Alexander was on the Cosby Show and as an adult she was hilarious on Living Single.
posted by girlmightlive at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


So the podium drops so it's the right height for every speaker: How considerate and how smart!
posted by carmicha at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


How awesome is it that the podium is accessible to people using wheelchairs?
posted by zachlipton at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Here's some more background on the cool pro-woman projects Elizabeth Banks works on, in addition to her career as an actress. She's a badass.
posted by sallybrown at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


So where does Hillary hide out during this convention?
posted by mynameisluka at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016


The podium operator is on the ball, I was worried for a second there.
posted by LobsterMitten at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


The podium and microphones adjust for speakers of varying heights?

That is the textbook definition for equity right there
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


For a lot of people 9/11 was foundational in their identity. That was attempting to appeal to them. I hope it works a bit.

I never thought to do the math until last night, but there are active voters in this election who were three years old on 9/11. Being a grown up in Bush's America wore heavy on my sanity. It felt like the nation had gone mad. I don't know what it's like to have that America as your childhood baseline.
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


Hillary is reaping the dividends of having spent decades actually connecting to other people in meaningful ways. Now they can vouch for her.
posted by argybarg at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


How do I meet Hillary I want nice notes
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


For people reading this afterward the current speaker, Ryan Moore, is a person with dwarfism so the podium lowering is a very good touch indeed.
posted by winna at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


That pun was definitely intended sir
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Oooooh, some people hold differing opinions! Oh noes! My friend just posted in Facebook that she is super thankful for all Hillary did w/r/t 9/11. She lived in the city at the time. Is she not allowed to be okay with Hillary's "pandering?"
posted by cooker girl at 6:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


That little guy pun was totally intended.
posted by Apoch at 6:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think the 9/11 focus tonight was important because 1) It was actually directly related to Clinton's record and actions at the time, and 2) Republicans have seemingly tried to "own" it and use it to their advantage ever since it happened. This turned it around on them. Hillary actually cares about people, whether it's 9/11 or any other time when people are suffering. This is the point they're making all night.
posted by wondermouse at 6:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


I DID NOT KNOW HOWARD DEAN WAS COMING ON STAGE.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Howard Dean! DEAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNN
posted by winna at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


oh my god I thought they said "Paula Deen" for some reason
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Wait was that literally a joke cribbed from the part of Oh Brother Where Art Thou that was supposed to be super creepily hacky
posted by Greg Nog at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Howard Dean. YEAAAAAHHH!

I couldn't resist, sorry
posted by zombieflanders at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Dean talkin' directly to disaffected Republicans!
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


It was high time for the 9/11 narrative and symbolism to be reclaimed from the right. A little late perhaps but necessary and appropriate.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


(Love the inclusive stage tech)
(I have a huge crush on Howard dean I was not prepared for this)
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ohai Howard Dean! I've missed you!
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Right now, while everyone is at DNC, the protest about Philandro Castile's death in front of our Democratic governor's mansion is being broken up by police with mace. Forty six people were arrested at last count. It's stuff like this that is motivating people like Laurie Penny - the fact that the daily, on-the-ground stuff is still pretty brutal for youth and poor people, and what is getting dished out from the elites (and like it or not, people like Hillary are part of the elite) is "be patient, wait for our legislation".

I never really understood how much of a generation gap thing this was until just now, when I feel like I'm seeing people my age and older having a moment while I'm also seeing pictures of a bunch of kids getting beat down in front of our Democratic governor's mansion.

Now, I'm not saying that heckling Black speakers at the DNC is any kind of useful, or that people can't be very childish and counter productive, or that we all ought to accelerate the system right off a cliff by letting Trump win, but people are suffering and they have legit grievances that need to be addressed faster and more directly than is happening.

There really is a class/generation split here, where the needs of youth and poor people are immediate and pressing. This puts pressure on the Democrats because older/middle class/rich people are far more centrist and don't understand that there's living crisis out there.

Again, I'm not saying that people can't be very childish, or that letting Trump win would be anything but a major fucking disaster of the comet-strike variety, but today I feel like I'm really getting the need to respond to people's legit grievances better and faster.

I mean, we have a fucking Democratic governor. Why are people being maced for a peaceful protest over Philandro Castile's death? On Twitter, people are explicitly tying this situation together with their feelings about the mainstream of the Democrats.
posted by Frowner at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [67 favorites]


WHY IS HOWARD DEAN WERAING A BUTTON-DOWN

HE'S NOT RIDING A HORSE
posted by rp at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I don't know what it's like to have that America as your childhood baseline.

I think that's why the mentions of 9/11 don't faze me; I was 15 and it was very much the moment that changed everything, both at the time and retrospectively. I remember when we elected Obama, and the utterly novel feeling of having someone in the White House whom I genuinely respected.
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Oh Howard Dean, you'll always be my heart's first Bernie.

plz end with a full-throated Dean Scream, just one for the road
posted by jason_steakums at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


The way they covered 9/11—honesty about the dangers of working in the aftermath and working to ensure that people are protected—actually does a lot to highlight the emptiness of how 9/11 is usually used.
posted by snofoam at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


He rode in on White Rabbit.
posted by cmfletcher at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016




I think the 9/11 focus tonight was important because 1) It was actually directly related to Clinton's record and actions at the time, and 2) Republicans have seemingly tried to "own" it and use it to their advantage ever since it happened. This turned it around on them


yeah, it's not about bombing people ffs. Also the tobascodegama tweets criticize the DNC for highlighting a "rich white banker" who was horrifically injured, spare me.
posted by zutalors! at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Remember, Howard, sound excited... but not too excited.
posted by ethansr at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


How does he look younger than when he ran? Whoever did his makeup: great job!
posted by emjaybee at 6:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Has Howard Dean not aged? Or aged backwards perhaps?
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wait was that literally a joke cribbed from the part of Oh Brother Where Art Thou that was supposed to be super creepily hacky

On behalf of the candidate that turns out to be a Klansman, yes
posted by theodolite at 6:34 PM on July 26, 2016


Dean's voice has never quite recovered, poor guy.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]



Oh Howard Dean, you'll always be my heart's first Bernie.

plz end with a full-throated Dean Scream, just one for the road


Me too!
posted by zutalors! at 6:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Has Howard Dean not aged? Or aged backwards perhaps?


Obamacare!
posted by hal9k at 6:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Yeah, I hate ghoulish 9/11 pandering but I don't buy that the event can't be mentioned even in the context of the work of a senator from New York at the time.
posted by glhaynes at 6:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


plz end with a full-throated Dean Scream, just one for the road

HHS? Surgeon General? YEEEAAAHHHHHHH.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Holder is at least balancing the message with the truth about the racial disparities in sentencing.

Did anyone notice or care that Obama nominated to the SC one of the main authors of the federal criminal sentencing guidelines to the SC? The guidelines that put so many black men into federal prison for drug offences?
posted by ennui.bz at 6:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Donald Trump will take us back to a time when insurance companies could refuse you coverage if you had a pre-existing condition or deny you coverage because you were a woman."
posted by winna at 6:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


people are suffering and they have legit grievances that need to be addressed faster and more directly than is happening.

All this. All this.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hrmm, I wonder how long before people realize they can double or triple their favorites by registering sockpuppets.

2016- Sockpuppets are no longer just for in-jokes
posted by vuron at 6:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Howard "Wilhelm" Dean would have made a wonderful president.
posted by carmicha at 6:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Dr Deeeeeean! I am getting warm fuzzies, remembering gushing about him with my cousin. Thirding (or whatever) a Dean Scream for the road? Please?
posted by kalimac at 6:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did anyone notice or care that Obama nominated to the SC one of the main authors of the federal criminal sentencing guidelines to the SC? The guidelines that put so many black men into federal prison for drug offences?

Yes, I care. I'm not clear how that is relevant to my tepid reporting on what Holder was actually saying, but I do care.
posted by winna at 6:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Howard Dean was my first Bernie.

Bernie supporters, it still hurts. You never get over it.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


No. That the GOP exploits 9/11 incessantly while simultaneously blocking aid for responders and survivors is "skeevy." Demonstrating concrete ways Clinton has supported survivors is important and highly necessary. I personally hadn't heard of Manning before and found her really inspiring, so I appreciate her speech for that reason too.
"I fought so they wouldn't get one more" - that gave me chills. And it's straight out of a red state blockbuster Jerry Bruckheimer movie, BUT actually real. I loved it and plan to mention it to the next relative who brings up Clinton to me and basically blames her for terrorism.
posted by areaperson at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Dean Scream!
posted by mollweide at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


YOU HAVE ONE SONG DEAN NOW SING IT
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Meme that fuckers
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016


HE'S DOING IT
posted by zombieflanders at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


AWW JEEZ I JUST CAN'T HELP MYSELF
posted by theodolite at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


YEEEEEERRAAARGCHHHHHn!!!!!

He gave it!!!
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Hell yeah!
posted by argybarg at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Dean ends with a screaming tirade of states! What a good sport!
posted by gilrain at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Hell, I wasn't even alive when RFK was murdered but that one really gets me.
posted by zutalors! at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016


SCREAM IT HOWARD
posted by winna at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think he really relished that opportunity to just fuckin' YELL and have people cheer for it.
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


OMG Howard Dean, Sir!
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He did it!
posted by Bistle at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


LOL HE WENT THERE! LOVE YOU GOVERNOR!
posted by longdaysjourney at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


So wingers are apparently meme-ing the difference between the RNC stage and the DNC stage because the RNC stage had lots of flags and the DNC stage doesn't.

That's all they've got.
posted by Cookiebastard at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


heh.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016


He's doing it!!!!!!!!!!


But where's the YEEEEAAAHHH!!!!

Come back Howard!
posted by Panjandrum at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He did it!
posted by Yowser at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016


Republicans have seemingly tried to "own" it and use it to their advantage ever since it happened. This turned it around on them.

It is remarkable how thoroughly this convention is reclaiming traditionally "Republican" values and showing how they work for Democrats better. They are capitalizing on the human void that is Donald Trump and making a play to grab the center of America back.

When Hillary, in a profile some months back, said she wants to try and win Texas—Texas! Texas!—I think she meant it. This is her "centrist compromise": casting liberal and progressive notions in a light that makes them seem like the fundamental American traits they goddamn are.
posted by rorgy at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [63 favorites]


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
(If he not going to end it right, we'll do it for him! Love you Howard!)
posted by penduluum at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Fine! Just take all of my money!

She's going to get universal health care, reform the prison system and overturn Citizens United? Take all of my money! I'm feeling this convention like WHOA!
posted by Sophie1 at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


You rock Howard Dean!
posted by cmfletcher at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did anyone notice or care that Obama nominated to the SC one of the main authors of the federal criminal sentencing guidelines to the SC? The guidelines that put so many black men into federal prison for drug offences?

Does it seem likely that people making informed and intelligent comments on a large thread about a political convention don't know or don't care about the well-known background of a Supreme Court nominee?

It might be more fruitful to say what you want to say rather than asking a sarcastic question.
posted by sallybrown at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


The 9/11 thread has me...conflicted. Partly because I also really feel a strong repulsion any time that day is used for political purposes; and partly because Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq War, which itself had its roots in 9/11 - despite the actions of me and some of my friends, New Yorkers ourselves, who desperately begged her and the rest of the government not to fall into that because for the love of God, we didn't want our grief to become a call for war. We didn't want the flag-waving unity immediately after the attacks to turn into waving the flag at someone.

However.

I long ago accepted that a large part of my repulsion about people invoking 9/11 has to do with the fact that the whole thing is just too close to me. The rest of the country didn't see it immediately outside the window; the rest of the country has been able to forget it in a way I never will. And I've accepted that. And that means that for the rest of the country, y'all need some of that context put back every now and then.

And as for the record - still not a fan of the Iraq War vote; and I even wrote her at the time and scolded her. But she wrote back. And if she supported the First Responders bill, then....okay.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


YEAAAAAAAAAAH
posted by angrycat at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Awesome.
posted by homunculus at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Dammit Howard I still got a crush on you.
posted by sara is disenchanted at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


LIST THOSE STATES FUCK YEAH HOWARD
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Dean getting railroaded for a damn scream was heartbreaking for sure.
posted by defenestration at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Well, she's no Duck Dynasty...
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Howard Dean! What a good sport. :D
posted by lunasol at 6:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Am I insane? I'm watching the youtube stream and it looked like they cut the mic for his scream. He clearly did it (good) but I didn't see it on my stream.
posted by stet at 6:41 PM on July 26, 2016


Dean/Sanders GOTV Road Show 2016? Please?
posted by jason_steakums at 6:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, I think the point is to recontextualize 9/11. For her (and any normal human being), the destruction of the towers was a catastrophe, not an opportunity. Unlike GWB and Guiliani, she's done the work of supporting survivors and ameliorating damage--FOR YEARS.
posted by dogrose at 6:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


OK, Bill is coming up soon. I'm kind of nervous about how it's going to go.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


What the hell is this?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh man suddenly I'm giddy. I'm tempted to post on my Trump supporter relative's FB pages that I love them. It's such awesome shade.
posted by angrycat at 6:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


But she wrote back

What did she say EC
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016


Exorcising demons, 12 years on.

I don't want to be a downer here, but there are going to be places and people who see this diverse and wonderful speaker lineup as a freak show, as tokenism. That's bullshit, of course, but that's where the election stands. It's a face-off between the comfort of a mythical past and a future that's not quite there yet, and certainly not evenly distributed.
posted by holgate at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Seems like a good time to post 538's documentary on The Dean Scream, which says he was on the way out well before the scream.
posted by Apoch at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


What's with all the sheriff's stars on those flags? That's weird.
posted by stet at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Empress, hasn't she said she regrets the vote? That it was one of the worst decisions she made?
posted by cooker girl at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016


So wingers are apparently meme-ing the difference between the RNC stage and the DNC stage because the RNC stage had lots of flags and the DNC stage doesn't.

RNC motto: 'We stole the country with the cunning use of flags.'
posted by palindromic at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm struck by the fact that so many people are standing up to talk about Hillary and their connections with her in words that are more warm, personable and genuine than anything poor Tiffany Trump was able to say.

And Dean! You list all those states, sir!!
posted by Salieri at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


So wingers are apparently meme-ing the difference between the RNC stage and the DNC stage because the RNC stage had lots of flags and the DNC stage doesn't.

Maybe the DNC's own feed is a wider shot, but the stage appears to have like 6+ flags on it. Must be an only on the Fox feed deal.
posted by feloniousmonk at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is all just so very well-assembled, themes overlapping themes and all very clearly directed at boosting Hillary at Trump's expense. It really could not be running better at this point.
posted by argybarg at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


This SecState montage is really, really good. I don't know how to get it shared all over the place, but let's get it shared all over the place.
posted by rp at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ok Hillary Brings Peace To the Middle East may be one clip too far.
posted by ethansr at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Was Howard Dean drunk?

Admittedly, I'm not super familiar with him, but something seemed a little 'off'.
posted by JennyJupiter at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


From way way back...

penis pass

just a lil reminder that penis ≠ man. kinda not great phrasing


Sorry about that. Thank you for pointing it out.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm old enough that Jesse Jackson was my first Democratic crush & big political disappointment. Made it a little easier to handle Dean and Sanders later.
posted by honestcoyote at 6:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


And as for the record - still not a fan of the Iraq War vote; and I even wrote her at the time and scolded her. But she wrote back.

I wrote to her too (and Schumer), but I didn't get any replies. I felt absolutely betrayed by their votes.
posted by maggiemaggie at 6:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Seems like a good time to post 538's documentary on The Dean Scream, which says he was on the way out well before the scream.

When we say he's our Bernie...
posted by zutalors! at 6:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's a convention I assume they're all drunk.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's a damned shame that we have to keep bringing out inspirational speakers to cover up for the fact that we just don't have someone as awesome as the Donald.

I mean the Donald is so gifted of an orator he could get by with programming Scott Baio and Duck Dynasty because at the end of the day you knew he could seal the deal by himself.

If Hillary was HIGH ENERGY she wouldn't need to borrow the power of all these other people with their compelling stories.
posted by vuron at 6:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


And now that I'm paying attention to it, I'm finding that everyone around me is reluctant to endorse her without groaning about it - even my super awesome, intelligent, liberal husband - and I'm sick of it. I'm getting a Hillary bumper sticker, t-shirt, and button, and I am going to stop giving a fuck about how people are going to react. And since I live in a right-wing, theocratic hellhole, I'm assuming a lot of these reactions are not going to be pleasant.

bibliowench, the combination of this comment and this amazingly well-produced and compelling convention just got me to make my first donation to Hillary. And then I made it a monthly contribution. I was a Bernie voter, and then I was like #GirlIGuessImWithHer but now I am all in.
posted by lunasol at 6:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Yesterday I was feeling really nervous about resentment from Bernie supporters, but this convention has been so consistently upbeat that those nerves are melting away. I'd like to see all of them find their way into alliance with the Dems by November, but even if they can't, I think I can be at peace with that.

I feel really good that all these different people can come together to rally for a major political party in my country; that *these* are some of the individual faces that make up what passes for our center-left neoliberal 800-pound gorilla. With allies like these, you can see a better, more just gorilla on the horizon.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 6:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Amy Klobuchar, the Midwest's Own Elizabeth Warren
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Also, Howard Dean did a lot of good work at the DNC, people. The 50-state strategy of the Democratic Party is his legacy.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


mediareport: "and President Bill Clinton

Please stop doing that. We do not have titles for life in the U.S. government. This thing where Senators and such get the honorific after they've finished serving is total bullshit. He's not "President Bill Clinton" anymore; he's just a schlub/citizen like you or me.
"

This is a thing done for any ex-president. What's your point?
posted by Splunge at 6:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


What did she say EC

It was kind of a form-ish letter; she hadn't sat down and written it Just For Me, I was pretty sure it was "here's the letter we'll send to the people who write me and grumble about this". It was kind of a "look, it was a tough choice and I wish I didn't have to but sometimes we have to do things we don't want to in the better interest of the country etc.".


Empress, hasn't she said she regrets the vote? That it was one of the worst decisions she made?


Maybe. I'm still bugged by it (not, like, Bernie-or-bust level bothered, but enough that I voted for Bernie in the primary).

But don't worry, I would rather vote for a wilted ficus than either Trump or Jill Stein. Hillary has my vote in November.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Right now, while everyone is at DNC, the protest about Philandro Castile's death in front of our Democratic governor's mansion is being broken up by police with mace. Forty six people were arrested at last count. It's stuff like this that is motivating people like Laurie Penny - the fact that the daily, on-the-ground stuff is still pretty brutal for youth and poor people, and what is getting dished out from the elites (and like it or not, people like Hillary are part of the elite) is "be patient, wait for our legislation".
I don't know. With all due respect, I'm going to defer to the mothers of Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland and Jordan Davis, who spoke at the DNC tonight, on this one, rather than Laurie Penny, who is a white, upper-middle-class, British journalist who lives in London.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


Get caught buggering a cow in your town. See if you ever get rid of THAT title.

so I'm told
posted by delfin at 6:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Women's rights are human rights, and human rights are women's rights."

My mom was there as part of India's delegation watching Hillary Clinton say that. One of her most favorite memories.
posted by peacheater at 6:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


Apparently, Hillary is going to make an appearance at the DNC tonight via satellite.
posted by cashman at 6:50 PM on July 26, 2016


I've never heard of Amy Klobuchar before tonight but she is giving a fantastic speech.
posted by rorgy at 6:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


[Folks, the honorific derail is a little much for a very busy thread.]
posted by restless_nomad at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Right now, while everyone is at DNC, the protest about Philandro Castile's death in front of our Democratic governor's mansion is being broken up by police with mace. Forty six people were arrested at last count. It's stuff like this that is motivating people like Laurie Penny - the fact that the daily, on-the-ground stuff is still pretty brutal for youth and poor people, and what is getting dished out from the elites (and like it or not, people like Hillary are part of the elite) is "be patient, wait for our legislation".

I don't know. With all due respect, I'm going to defer to the mothers of Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland and Jordan Davis, who spoke at the DNC tonight, on this one, rather than Laurie Penny, who is a white, upper-middle-class, British journalist who lives in London.


Let's drop the binary thing, okay? That's what Republicans do. We can honour those women at the DNC and be upset about breaking up lawful protests. Hell, some of those women might have been at that demonstration if they weren't speaking tonight. So let's not dismiss a potential wrong because it's not upbeat enough.
posted by Bella Donna at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Holy god please don't say she's playing the woman card
posted by Greg Nog at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016


So wingers are apparently meme-ing the difference between the RNC stage and the DNC stage because the RNC stage had lots of flags and the DNC stage doesn't.

I mean, RNC stage had literally all the flags. So maybe they couldn't find any in time for the DNC? Seriously, the RNC stage was lousy with flags.
posted by dis_integration at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Klobuchar will likely be the next Attorney General so get familiar with her.
posted by vuron at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Wow, Ima Matul. The courage to escape your trafficker. Holy shit.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


I am pretty sure whatever Laurie Penny is tweeting is satire. I follow her on Twitter and the quoted tweets up there sound like her kind of joke.
posted by R343L at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016


C-Span's feed has apparently conked out?
posted by winna at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016


2016- Sockpuppets are no longer just for in-jokes
posted by vuron at 9:36 PM on 7/26
[+] You hit your favorite limit for the day. [!]

You might be onto something. I've been bumping up against my favorite limit since the DNC started.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 6:54 PM on July 26, 2016




Or checking her feed I can't tell. Sigh.
posted by R343L at 6:54 PM on July 26, 2016


I don't understand why we have to oppose the mothers of the movement and the movement itself. They're the same side. Democrats believe black lives matter but need to be pushed to act on it.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Minnesota, represent!
posted by GameDesignerBen at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Bernie DNC Walkout Was a Masterful Bit of Media Manipulation

Gawker paints it as kind of a non-event. And if Gawker is failing to be able to sensationalize something, I feel pretty confident that there really wasn't much there there.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Klobuchar will likely be the next Attorney General so get familiar with her.

Some of us back home are rooting for a Justice Klobuchar in the near future.
posted by Think_Long at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


The only way the RNC could've had more flags is if Trump came out in Apollo Creed's costume for his speech.
posted by vuron at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I've never heard of Amy Klobuchar before.

Goddamn heartland represent. She was amazing.
posted by rp at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Boy, I'm about as drunk as William Daly.
posted by Floydd at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016


I like the pattern of having well-known people introduce folks who won't be familiar to most of the audience... and vice versa. It underscores the StrongerTogether theme and reinforces the big tent and shared concerns that unite Democrats.
posted by carmicha at 6:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Ok, I'm having a moment here. Have we ever had a moment on national television extolling women like this? I feel like between the House members, the Mothers, all of these powerful women, I've never seen anything like it.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


Dang bringing out Madelaine Albright.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't know. With all due respect, I'm going to defer to the mothers of Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland and Jordan Davis, who spoke at the DNC tonight, on this one, rather than Laurie Penny, who is a white, upper-middle-class, British journalist who lives in London.

There are times when people scolding others need to not only flag what they see as misbehavior, but they need to also put forth the desired ideal behavior: "Hillary Clinton should drop everything at the convention, fly out to the protest with her security detail, and mediate."

Although this may be Laurie Penny's joke/point.
posted by sebastienbailard at 6:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Holy shit, Albright's flag pin is the BEST FLAG PIN.
posted by joyceanmachine at 6:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Huh. I really like Klobluchar as a politician, but as a public speaker I thought she really fell flat. Glad she was effective for others, though.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 6:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


One time, Albright was in Gilmore girls. Just saying.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Ok, I'm having a moment here. Have we ever had a moment on national television extolling women like this?

Not since the Buffy finale for me, and I've been waiting for real life to live up to that moment for a long time.
posted by Salieri at 6:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


"and another man politely declined to be interviewed when I told him I worked for Gawker."

Smells like alt-right...
posted by Yowser at 6:58 PM on July 26, 2016


I long ago accepted that a large part of my repulsion about people invoking 9/11 has to do with the fact that the whole thing is just too close to me. The rest of the country didn't see it immediately outside the window; the rest of the country has been able to forget it in a way I never will.

Random data point here: I was living in Houston, TX on September 11, 2001, and I share your repulsion. To me, the entire political meaning of 9/11 (as distinct from its personal meaning for people who were directly affected) is "militaristic nationalism," whether of the nakedly evil "death to the enemy" variety or the more warm-and-fuzzy "we take care of our own" variety.
posted by DaDaDaDave at 6:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hillary Clinton didn't like Czech cabbage! Shocking!
posted by winna at 6:59 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit, Albright's flag pin is the BEST FLAG PIN.

One nation, under bling...
posted by Panjandrum at 6:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Holy shit, Albright's flag pin is the BEST FLAG PIN.

Really kinda makes it seem like the Republicans at their convention weren't very patriotic.
posted by snofoam at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Both of my senators and my representative have appeared at the DNC. Good job, Minnesota.
posted by dinty_moore at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




Also, wow, I'm kinda struck by Albright talking about electing Hillary not just as President but as Commander in Chief.

I mean...yeah. I didn't even think about that.
posted by Salieri at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


You go!
posted by Splunge at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016


Trump throwing shade at Megyn Kelly on twitter re: ISIS
You have no idea what my strategy on ISIS is, and neither does ISIS (a good thing). Please get your facts straight - thanks. @megynkelly
I'm betting that Donald doesn't know his strategy either. Hillary probably already has a team specifically assigned to ISIS, because she's actually competent.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Now I want Czech cabbage.
posted by stet at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


For the record, I worked with the Salvation Army after 9/11, and spent a lot of time at Ground Zero. And I am okay with the references. That day means different things to different people, no matter where we lived.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Laura Bush was kinda always a closet Democrat.

This is fairly true. I worked on an education project with close ties to Laura when W. was governor of Texas and my aging hippie socialist boss always had good things to say about her. And got to go to the White House and stuff, which was kinda funny because hippie socialist lady.
posted by threeturtles at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


"and another man politely declined to be interviewed when I told him I worked for Gawker."

It was Peter Thiel.
posted by dersins at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


@Pater Aletheias : I don't know her at all, but I know the Great Lakes states, and I was pretty unhappy that I didn't know her.
posted by rp at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016


Opponent has no skills. No shit.
posted by Splunge at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016


Well great now that Clinton has pissed off the Czech-American population we can just forget about being competitive in Nebraska.
posted by vuron at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh this is good.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Senior female bureaucrats are serious business. <3
posted by LobsterMitten at 7:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Donald Trump has done damage just by running for President."

Day-um.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [69 favorites]


Albright sticking in the shiv over Putin.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


ooh, Albright just Went There with the Russian DNC hack
posted by saturday_morning at 7:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Google "Madeline Albright brooch". She's been punk rock since the 90's.
posted by cmfletcher at 7:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


"Donald Trump has weakened our standing in the world by threatening to walk away from our friends and allies. Donald Trump also has a strange fondness for dictators."

"A Trump victory in November would be a gift to Putin."

"Take it from someone who grew up behind the Iron Curtain I know what happens when you give Russians the green light."
posted by winna at 7:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [62 favorites]


Wow. Nice, Albright.
posted by persona au gratin at 7:03 PM on July 26, 2016


Madeline Albright just killed with that one.
posted by argybarg at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"[Trump] has already done damage by running for president."

If anyone is qualified to talk shit about Trump, it's Albright. When Madeline Albright says your foreign policy is hateful, ignorant garbage that hurts America, then... well that's it really. Your foreign policy is hateful, ignorant garbage that hurts America.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


Here we go.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016


Game on, boyfriend.
posted by penduluum at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


The cool thing about this democratic tent is that the platform and the way it's being communicated allows for nuance in our critiques. Like, we can talk about how we agree and and disagree in a reasoned way. It's not a message with a single pitch, but hundreds, breaking dozens of ways across the entire coalition. This is an extremely broad cross section of the nation's most brilliant leaders and supporters, this is how the center holds.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


Damn it, Bill, you were one cute teenager

I am really feeling single tonight wow
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Hahaha Trump trying to pick a fight with Megyn Kelly.

I might not like her but she helped take down Ailes (thank god). Trump really hasn't studied history at all if he's trying to open a two front war.
posted by vuron at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


If you're gonna wear a flag pin, wear one that can take flight and stab a fascist at 20 paces is all I'm saying.
posted by Skorgu at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


Big DOGGGGGGGGGGGG
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


BILL.
Please live up to what WE want from you all.
posted by rp at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


*sharp intake of breath*
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Andrew Sullivan keeps saying Trump is winning.

He's not.
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Gawker paints it as kind of a non-event. And if Gawker is failing to be able to sensationalize something, I feel pretty confident that there really wasn't much there there.

If it got them out of the convention hall, great. It's so much nicer to watch the convention without the booing.
posted by lunasol at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Wait hang on, are we electing Bill again?
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh God please don't fuck this up Bill
posted by schadenfrau at 7:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


You have no idea what my strategy on ISIS is, and neither does ISIS (a good thing). Please get your facts straight - thanks. @megynkelly

You have a secret plan to fight ISIS?
posted by zachlipton at 7:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


It's been so long since I've heard Bill speak that he sounds like a parody of himself rather than himself.
posted by winna at 7:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Do speech bets include the video montage?
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This evening was planned long before Trump muttered aloud about what was up with women not supporting him, but I'm sure when that quote came through there were a few glints and grins.
posted by holgate at 7:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's been so long since I've heard Bill speak that he sounds like a parody of himself rather than himself.

lol yes I was just having that exact through
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


No, I can't include the video in my bet.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:07 PM on July 26, 2016


As someone who owns a National guitar, I fully support this soundtrack.
posted by stet at 7:07 PM on July 26, 2016


I'd like to volunteer for that part of being president where you go around hugging cute kids every where
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Bill has to show up trump tonight. Show the don how this is done.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


You have no idea what my strategy on ISIS is, and neither does ISIS (a good thing). Please get your facts straight - thanks. @megynkelly

Makes me think of Trump in a bizzaro world version of West Wing. The thing about the President's secret plan to fight inflation ISIS.
posted by honestcoyote at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Megyn has a plan to fight Archer.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Andrew Sullivan keeps saying Trump is winning.

That's because Andrew Sullivan only counts the votes of white men.
posted by gladly at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Bill's video talks about lifting people out of prove try, which is great, but it also reminds us about all the people who were still in poverty but got cut off welfare and are now far worse off.
posted by zachlipton at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


good knowledge from some Wise Africans
posted by Greg Nog at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Which female actor's incredibly familiar voice is doing the voiceovers in this montage?? It's killing me!
posted by telegraph at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016


I SEE YOU ZACHLIPTON AND I LIKE IT
posted by lazaruslong at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Great to see the brilliant Prof Sherman Abdul-Hakim Jackson invited for the opening invocation. (Reflects well on the DNC to feature a preeminent American Muslim theologian while the RNC got ... some nut.) Towards the end of the prayer Dr Jackson spoke about God's light as "neither Eastern nor Western" . That imagery is Quranic in origin, from the Verse of Light, Q24:35
Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.
A parable of His Light is a niche wherein is a lamp—
the lamp is in a glass, the glass as it were a glittering star—
lit from a blessed olive tree,
neither eastern nor western,
whose oil almost lights up,
though fire should not touch it.
Light upon light.
Allah guides to His Light whomever He wishes.
Allah draws parables for mankind,
and Allah has knowledge of all things.

posted by BinGregory at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump was thanking Megyn Kelly for pointing out the ISIS mention, not fighting her.
posted by Brainy at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016


"I feel like I'm a Clinton baby" is a good line.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016


Yeah, I don't know how I feel being reminded of the Clinton welfare reforms :/
posted by joyceanmachine at 7:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I think we're in for peak Bill Clinton tonight. This is kind of unprecedented.
posted by billyfleetwood at 7:09 PM on July 26, 2016


Long intro for Bill.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 7:09 PM on July 26, 2016


Megyn has a plan to fight Archer.

dangerzone
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Which female actor's incredibly familiar voice is doing the voiceovers in this montage?? It's killing me!
posted by telegraph at 7:08 PM on July 26 [+] [!]

Mary Steenbergen
posted by birdheist at 7:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Onions
posted by persona au gratin at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016


This so advertising 101 propaganda. gross.
posted by futz at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016


You have to wonder if he's going to acknowledge or own the criticisms of his policies. Not gonna lie, pretty nervous that there's no prepared remarks.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Fuck Bill, aight. I'm such a fucking sucker for you.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Bill Clinton has fucked up a lot of things in his life but speaking effectively in front of large groups of people is rarely in that category. Expecting a home run.
posted by penduluum at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm pretty sure the voiceover is Mary Steenburgen.
posted by LynnDee at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's sort of bittersweet that Clinton is running against a buffoon instead of a respectable opponent. I wish all these folks could focus on who Clinton is and why we should vote for her, rather than half of them focusing on how important it is that we keep Trump from winning.

I'll happily vote for Clinton either way (and I say that as someone who supported Bernie as long as I reasonably could). I'd just rather hear more about her and less about her joke of an opponent.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Mary Steenbergen

*Exhale* Thank you.

And she's on theme for Philadelphia!
posted by telegraph at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'll say this for Bill, he didn't scrub all the backwoods out of his speech. As someone with a regional accent I know the pressure he must've felt to do it.
posted by winna at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


It's taken me a long time to be able to separate my antipathy towards Bill from my feelings about Hillary. I... might just sit this one out.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


What's with the Love American Style music?
posted by Sophie1 at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016


He's the prez of my childhood - I was twelve in 2000. This is gonna be a trip.
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Let's go, Big Dog!
posted by persona au gratin at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016


Shot of Chelsea and her husband sitting with Elizabeth Warren. Good times.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


My first presidential vote was for Bill Clinton. And this thread roped me into watching the convention tonight. I'm glad I did. I'm feeling a little bit better about the state of the U.S, if only for a few hours.

And Madeleine Albright has always had serious pin game.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


WHERE IS MY SAXOPHONE
posted by sara is disenchanted at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is anyone else having weird childhood flashbacks right now?
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hey Bill Clinton on deck!
posted by Oyéah at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016


Hahaha the music for bills walk on
posted by lazaruslong at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016


The walk-on music's vaguely...porny.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


it appears to be getting funky in here
posted by saturday_morning at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yay, Big Dog!
posted by octothorpe at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016


No Fleetwood Mac?
posted by entropicamericana at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Siddown and watch how this is DONE
posted by hal9k at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016


Bill Clinton is reminding me of how much I miss Phil Hartman.
posted by bibliowench at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


Guys, we still have an Obama and a Biden and a Kaine after this. Holy hell.
posted by argybarg at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Wow, lighting and makeup are on point tonight. Everybody looks fabulous.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I've seen assume talks about reflecting on his presidency, and the mistakes of DADT and welfare reform were listed as some of his biggest regrets.
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Aw man, his voice has gotten so old. I can't believe how much time has passed since he was president.

This place is going to come apart when Obama speaks.
posted by Salieri at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


You have no idea what my strategy on ISIS is, and neither does ISIS (a good thing). Please get your facts straight - thanks. @megynkelly

You have a secret plan to fight ISIS?


By bombing Cambodia.
posted by dirigibleman at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


BIIIILLL!!
posted by numaner at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"In the spring of 1971 I met a girl. The first time, appropriately enough, we were in a class on civil rights."
posted by winna at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


So is Bill going to end his speech with a big sax solo or just let Trump off easy?
posted by vuron at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Then Hillary came around the corner...
posted by hal9k at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016


When Madeline Albright says your foreign policy is hateful, ignorant garbage that hurts America, then... well that's it really.

She is a bona fide badass, so very not retired given the amount of work she does, and she is @madeleine on Twitter and you're not.
posted by holgate at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


The walk-on music's vaguely...porny.

It was "Getting Jiggy Wit It" by Will Smith.
posted by Talez at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Is anyone else having weird childhood flashbacks right now?

THANK YOU FOR NAMING MY MENTAL STATE RIGHT NOW
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


he's not doing well
posted by futz at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's such a great speaker, damn.
posted by zutalors! at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016


fast ein Maedchen -- I was just texting with a friend that this is totally a revisit of our teen years (we were born in 1982). And I think that's why even though Bill is skeevy and abused his power and destroyed welfare....I feel awfully warm and fuzzy right now, because of the time in my life he represents, and Madeleine Albright did, and so many of the speakers tonight did.
posted by kalimac at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Which come to think of it was just a sample of Sister Sledge's "He's The Greatest Dancer" so that's probably what the walk on music actually was.
posted by Talez at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


OH MY GOD HE IS STILL SUCH A CHARMER.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


This so advertising 101 propaganda. gross

It's a political convention. The whole thing is one big ad. Feel free to change the channel if you don't like ads.
posted by zachlipton at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


Nope. President (accepted honorific) Clinton has just gotten creepier.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016


I can't decide if I love or hate how he is owning the fact he is a shameless skirt chaser.
posted by gatorae at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh man, Clinton has the crowd eating out of his HAND.
posted by joyceanmachine at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He looks like a sad robot and yet I still love him.
posted by rp at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016


Hillary told him after some missing connection style things, "Look, if you're going to keep staring at me and I'm going to keep staring back I will at least need to know your name."
posted by winna at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


he's not doing well

My dad philandered even more than Slick Willy and it did not go well when he gave us his blessing at our wedding. Talking about how his marriage started is a bad look. Really Bill is a bad look. He should stay home.
posted by dis_integration at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


How surreal would it be to be Chelsea, and this is also just your family story.
posted by NorthernLite at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's got a hand tremor? God I am so old.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:15 PM on July 26, 2016


Any of you all know who Jerry Clower is? Because dang I'm feeling like I'm at a Clower concert.
posted by winna at 7:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


> Is anyone else having weird childhood flashbacks right now

NO because I am not a BABY unlike you. How can Bill be a childhood memory and yet you're here typing coherent sentences? That makes no sense.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [57 favorites]


I'd be happier about all this young-love chronicle if it weren't for the memory of living through the pain of the White House infidelity. Wonder if Bill is going to allude to that in any form. -- OK, "good times and bad". That's a start.
posted by Creosote at 7:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yes, but did you drive her home in your El Camino with astroturf in the bed, Bill?
posted by entropicamericana at 7:16 PM on July 26, 2016


The corpse in the library, that's how I feel about everyone born after 1990. (Sorry, friends, colleagues, bosses, et cetera!)
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


meanwhile, donny t. is tweeting about how the set on his convention was much more beautiful...
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:16 PM on July 26, 2016


Are you kidding? Their marriage isn't defined by Bill's mistakes. We know absolutely fucking nothing about their marriage other than they've built an unbelievable life together out of an amazing partnership.

How can you reduce this to a goddamn Lewinsky reference?
posted by schadenfrau at 7:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [121 favorites]


Was that "wait for next year" bit a subtle Cubs joke?
posted by tonycpsu at 7:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Watching Bill give a straight up Convention Spouse Speech is really something, isn't it.
posted by theodolite at 7:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [44 favorites]


How can Bill be a childhood memory and yet you're here typing coherent sentences? That makes no sense.
posted by The corpse in the library


Mom, are you on Metafilter?
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


he's not doing well
posted by futz at 10:13 PM on 7/26
[+] [!]

He's such a great speaker, damn.
posted by zutalors! at 10:13 PM on 7/26
[+] [!]


Oh MeFi, never change
posted by numaner at 7:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [75 favorites]


IMHO, nothing this week has been remotely disappointing.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Was that "wait for next year" bit a subtle Cubs joke?

No, it was a giant honking Cubs joke
posted by saturday_morning at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


this sounds apocryphal and schmaltzy.

Hitting all the right notes in a Hallmark card way.
posted by futz at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016



Are you kidding? Their marriage isn't defined by Bill's mistakes. We know absolutely fucking nothing about their marriage other than they've built an unbelievable life together out of an amazing partnership.


Agreed. He adores her. And he's still an incredibly influential Democrat.
posted by zutalors! at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


He's doing better than Melania.
posted by dinty_moore at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I like how Clinton is actively emphasizing Hillary's choices.
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Was that "wait for next year" bit a subtle Cubs joke?

What subtle? That's the Cubs' informal motto.
posted by Talez at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016


Wait for it.
posted by Splunge at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]




I thought the walk-on tune was Ain't No Stopping Us Now?
posted by STFUDonnie at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016


meanwhile, donny t. is tweeting about how the set on his convention was much more beautiful...

lmao of course! It was YUUUUUGE and GOLD, the two things he values most in the world.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah but he's not convincing us. He's talking to boomers, rural folks, Southerners and Midwesterners, blue collar folks with economic fears -- same demos he always delivered. Same demos that were vulnerable to anti-elitism, anti-Hillary bullshit back when it first started showing up 25 years ago. Those people are Trump's core. This is an old school spouse speech at a convention and I think it works.

Edit: sorry for typo
posted by penduluum at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]



this sounds apocryphal and schmaltzy.


He's told that story about how they met a few times. If it's fake it's a story they have down. Then again, of course people doubt anything about them is genuine.
posted by zutalors! at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He's just making a speech saying how she has always been much smarter and more caring than him. Dude got lucky.
posted by lauranesson at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


People, this is Bill Clinton. He hasn't even begun this speech yet.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [54 favorites]


I like how his speech boils down to "I had a crush on Hillary but she was too busy traveling the country doing good for us to hang out as much as I would have liked"
posted by a fiendish thingy at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


Some of you sound very prudish about how many relationships start, and how they work.
posted by girlmightlive at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


MetaFilter: you're here typing coherent sentences? That makes no sense.
posted by homunculus at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


The CNN feed froze when he was talking about waiting in line to register for classes. What was the punchline to that story?
posted by sardonyx at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016


This is really good. I don't know if it's strategically good, but gosh he really knows and admires his wife.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016


) Was that "wait for next year" bit a subtle Cubs joke?

No, it was a giant honking Cubs joke


Which he even prefaced by talking about the cubs.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:20 PM on July 26, 2016


theodolite: "Watching Bill give a straight up Convention Spouse Speech is really something, isn't it."

It's both weird and great.
posted by octothorpe at 7:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


This is indeed a classic "elect my spouse they are great" speech. Which is impressive, given that it is a former president giving it.
posted by winna at 7:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


We know absolutely fucking nothing about their marriage other than they've built an unbelievable life together out of an amazing partnership

We know that partnership is several decades long. So if Bill is going to recount it step by step, we're going to be here a while.

I got $5 on an 8 hour speech.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, he is talking all about her agency and autonomy, and how smart she is and how much progressive work she's done. This is awesome.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [44 favorites]


I'm loving this through and through. One of the most powerful men walking this globe, and he is all-in supporting and glorifying his wife, humanizing her, centering her life and not his own. I keep thinking, thank you that I should live to see this.
posted by Andrhia at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [72 favorites]


Just throwin' this out there for context: For tons of people between age 18 and 30, Obama was not just our first political crush, but a political Jesus. And we got him in.

Yes, I said 18. You remember Kid President, right?

I mean I did tell my dad to vote for Clinton when I was six, but that was because the radio told me to
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


When does he get to the part where he plagarizes Michelle's speech from last night?

All the Presidential spouses are doing it.
posted by vuron at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He is so proud of her and it shines through. Loving it.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Are you kidding? Their marriage isn't defined by Bill's mistakes. We know absolutely fucking nothing about their marriage other than they've built an unbelievable life together out of an amazing partnership.

I realize how fraught this all is, but HRC has to stand on her own without him. I mean shit, Lewinsky was what? 22?! In today's parlance, Bill is a borderline predator. I don't like him, I don't trust him, and I've been able to be positive about Hillary in spite of him. And anyway, no, we don't know what goes in in their marriage, the sacred crucible of privacy, but we do know what anyone on Askmefi would say if they were like: my husband keeps shagging other women (we know Lewinsky was only one of many) and I want to be president do I stay with him? I can't be the only one totally squicked out when he talks about how much he loves her etc.
posted by dis_integration at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


The CNN feed froze when he was talking about waiting in line to register for classes. What was the punchline to that story?

He got called out by registrar for already having registered that morning.
posted by arcolz at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016


It's adorable how each state convention yells whenever Hillary travels through there in Bill's story.
posted by Salieri at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


meanwhile, donny t. is tweeting about how the set on his convention was much more beautiful...

lololololololololol, I've been tittering to myself for the last two days about how the DNC stage makes the RNC stage look like it was made out of construction paper and masking tape.
posted by lunasol at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


And he is still such a great story teller. Still.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Any Hillary-philes have an estimate on how many states will be mentioned when all is said and done?
posted by acidic at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016


Watching Bill speak about Hillary in this way makes me feel like I'm at my neighbors' 50th wedding anniversary and the husband is jovially explaining to the crowd at large how the woman he married is so much better than he ever was and ever will be and he is so damn grateful she puts up with him even one iota every day
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [45 favorites]


The CNN feed froze when he was talking about waiting in line to register for classes. What was the punchline to that story?

The Registrar busted him by saying "Bill, what are you doing here? You registered for classes this morning!"
posted by carmicha at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The CNN feed froze when he was talking about waiting in line to register for classes. What was the punchline to that story?

That the registrar recognized him because he had already done so that morning.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016


Until last week, Bill held the record for longest speech at a convention.

Tonight, Bill gets his revenge.
posted by hal9k at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


They still haven't gotten married yet in this speech.

Also I feel compelled to say that my Clower reference wasn't intended to be a bad thing. Listening to my daddy's record with Jerry Clower imitating a hunting dog howling is one of my finest childhood memories.
posted by winna at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's hitting all the right notes.
posted by y2karl at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm learning stuff in Bill's speech about Hillary's life that I'd never heard before. She's been strong and amazing for way longer than most of us ever knew.
posted by dnash at 7:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


Heh, we're only like 3 years into this story.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Watching Bill give a straight up Convention Spouse Speech is really something, isn't it.

Bill Clinton has spoken at something like the last 10 consecutive Democratic National Conventions. A convention speech from him might be the most normal thing there can be at this event.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 7:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


He says he told her: "I really want you to marry me but you shouldn't do it."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:24 PM on July 26, 2016


Meanwhile, I was still thinking....
posted by uosuaq at 7:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Get the pillows y'all and strap in. Grab the whole bottle of wine, this is gonna be a while.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Any Hillary-philes have an estimate on how many states will be mentioned when all is said and done?

...she was listening to Sweet Home Alabama on the radio...
...we shared baked Alaska for dessert...
...and then we watched Raizing Arizona...
posted by tonycpsu at 7:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm 35 and my Southern grandmother thought Bill Clinton was the best president since Kennedy. She passed in 1998 and I think she would have already been in the bag for Hillary, but if she wasn't, this speech would absolutely have done the trick.
posted by penduluum at 7:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


They still haven't gotten married yet in this speech.

They are still not engaged in this story.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


Any Hillary-philes have an estimate on how many states will be mentioned when all is said and done?

57, because I'm sure he's got an anecdote about American Samoa or Guam ready.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


How are you so charming you womanizing mfer

Jesus

This is unfair
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


This is tons better than that dude who told the anecdotal feel good tales before trump came on.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Since Hillary became a badass senator and SoS I have always imagined, in my own mind, that one of the reasons she didn't leave Bill (and seriously, choosing to stay in your marriage after infidelity can only be your own choice) is because so few men could possibly step up to her game.
posted by nakedmolerats at 7:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [42 favorites]


They finally are married!
posted by winna at 7:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


No. Bullshit. The power differential between Bill and Monica was what made that gross and horrible, and what happened afterwards was both horrifying and beyond the agency or scope of any individual.

But you, nor I, know a goddamn thing about their relationship. Open relationships are not uncommon, for example. No one knows what the boundaries of their partnership are, and assuming Hillary is some kind of victim because her husband slept with other women is fucked up. She gets to decide how to deal with that. And guess who she's still married to?

Fucking keep it consistent. Do you have a problem with Bill's treatment of women, or with Bill and Hillary's marriage? Because the first thing has absolutely neither jack nor shit to do with Hillary, and the second is some fucking condescending concern trolling of an epic nature.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [108 favorites]


I'm learning stuff in Bill's speech about Hillary's life that I'd never heard before. She's been strong and amazing for way longer than most of us ever knew.

And that is what this speech (and this evening) is for. Taking an iron-headed gavel to 25 years of fabulist bullshit.
posted by holgate at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


I guess I feel like Bill Clinton is the least interesting part about Hillary. He has held her down, I think. She has kept by him because she is a forgiving human? This speech is weirdly Feminine-Mystique-y.
posted by lauranesson at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


When does he get to the part where he plagarizes Michelle's speech from last night?

All the Presidential spouses are doing it.


Excuse me but when did Trump get elected President again ? Ain't gonna happen, no, nope, nosirree.
posted by y2karl at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


They finally are married!

We're still not out of the 1970s!
posted by zombieflanders at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is tons better than that dude who told the anecdotal feel good tales before trump came on.

Yeah, where helicopters? Where prize fight?
posted by hal9k at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Grab the whole bottle of wine, this is gonna be a while.

Yeah I got inspired by certain other posters here and am drinking margarita mix, this may not have been the best choice for a tuesday night
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


For what it's worth, my sister, who has worked for them both, believes they genuinely love each other, in a complicated way, and that's why they've stayed together. Not political reasons. And she's not easily fooled.
posted by tavella at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [103 favorites]


1980
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Chelsea is so gorgeous. I had the world's biggest crush on her when she was as a geeky teenager and I was an even geekier teenager.
posted by Talez at 7:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


The man is like a major league pitcher. Give him two or three innings and he's in the rhythm of the game.
posted by cmfletcher at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


What I’m getting from this speech is that Hillary Rodham used Bill Clinton as her on-tap booty call for five years before he finally managed to guilt her into monogamy.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [76 favorites]


Tavella, that makes me really, really happy
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




Bill seems mystified by the fact that his wife has really actually done some shit in the world.
posted by lauranesson at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I guess I feel like Bill Clinton is the least interesting part about Hillary. He has held her down, I think. She has kept by him because she is a forgiving human? This speech is weirdly Feminine-Mystique-y.

There are no higher offices in America than President.
posted by hleehowon at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


1980

soon it will be my birth year!
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Aw, Chelsea.
posted by zutalors! at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016


36 years to go!
posted by zachlipton at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Bill Clinton is retelling his relationship with Hillary Clinton in real time.
posted by nathan_teske at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [70 favorites]


The speech is going ok but he doesn't have to sing all the popular songs of each era.
"Nineteen seventy nine... ROOOXANNE!"
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Sitting the whole scandle I was rather young and in fundamentalist circles, and had it explained to me in Christian terms that divorcing would bring more controversy and be a and prove he wasn't Christian enough.

I wonder about this interpretation from time to time.
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016


Their marriage is like the vampire couple from "Only Lovers Left Alive".
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


He gets the Police Academy vote!
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Had to bring up the Viennese Waltz Gala. DON'T GO THERE
posted by hal9k at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016


The Chelsea stories. Onions.
posted by NorthernLite at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


The convention hall is perfectly dead-ass silent while he talks, which I think says something. His jokes are landing. Everybody is listening.
posted by penduluum at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Is this the moment that Bill Clinton understands emotional labor?
posted by lauranesson at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


talez, I loved Chelsea too and still do. I related to her a lot and I remember being highly offended when I overheard Limbaugh making fun of her appearance.
awwwww:
I had the absolute conviction that my daughter had the best mother in the whole world."
posted by areaperson at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Designated worrier may be the most incisive description of the emotional labor foisted upon women like ever
posted by lazaruslong at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


weird to mention watching six Police Academy movies back-to-back when this is supposed to be the party that's against torture
posted by Greg Nog at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


Bill Clinton is a deeply flawed human being and I think a case can be made that he doesn't deserve her but I'm still glad that they found in each other something that made them better than the sum of their parts.
posted by vuron at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


Nineteen. Nine-nine-ninteneen. Nineteen seventy-nine...
posted by Superplin at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


What I find so fascinating about this speech is that he's harnessing his oratorical gifts to give a narrative story speech focused on family. Before tonight, this is the kind of speech a would-be First Lady would give.

And now a former President of the US is giving it.
posted by sgranade at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [102 favorites]


"The rest of the decade sort of flew by." LOLZ.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]



talez, I loved Chelsea too and still do. I related to her a lot and I remember being highly offended when I overheard Limbaugh making fun of her appearance.


I'm about her age and was horrified by adult men making fun of her appearance as a teenage girl.
posted by zutalors! at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


Love is complicated and richly variegated. Theirs is not my business nor my problem. Bill is problematic, charming, and effective. All this, I believe.
posted by glhaynes at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


He has held her down, I think.

He said something to that effect and basically said he hoped it wasn't a mistake. He sounded quite sincere at that moment.
posted by zachlipton at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Too-ers" instead of tours. That is the real deal country, right there.
posted by winna at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Y'all this is when it's hitting me that a woman is running.. a man giving the presidential spouse speech.
posted by antinomia at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


ALL SIX Police Academy movies. That's some kind of superhuman endurance.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I hit my favorite limit! Thanks, Chelsea!
posted by Ruki at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


weird to mention watching six Police Academy movies back-to-back

"That's a really dated reference, there are seven now." - my boyfriend, who knows that for some reason.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 7:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


“she held a listening tour in 75 counties” = my wife is literally, 100% Leslie Knope
posted by a fiendish thingy at 7:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [69 favorites]


Oh, and fuck Rush Limbaugh.
posted by glhaynes at 7:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]




Sounds awful, being dragged around to preschool graduations.
posted by lauranesson at 7:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


If you ever feel bad about watching too much Netflix or whatever, remember that Bill Clinton accomplished everything he accomplished and still had time for Police Academy deep cuts
posted by jason_steakums at 7:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [67 favorites]


"She's the best darn change maker I ever met in my entire life."
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


"Best darn change maker I ever met in my life."

Great, now I'm crying again.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Speeches like this are fun. Actually doing the work is hard."

YES, YES YES.
posted by winna at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [59 favorites]


I can see why he didn't release the text of this speech. It feels like you're sitting down at the kitchen table with him and he's telling you their life story. It's really intimate and the Andrew Sullivans of the world would never understand why it's so powerful.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


"Changemaker" is a home-run.
posted by wallabear at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was vaguely afraid Bill was going to come out and make the speech all about him, but this is just fantastic.

And it's goddamn amazing all the good she was able to do before they got anywhere near the White House.
posted by Salieri at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [45 favorites]


Never been satisfied?

Angelica Schulyer?

Is that you?
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Was that a Hamilton reference?
posted by Torosaurus at 7:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This talk about working from the ground up and how speeches are fun but doing the dirty work of politics is hard is aimed right at Bernie supporters.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Nice going Hillary, he was right, you have never been satisfied.
posted by telegraph at 7:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


DID HE JUST QUOTE HAMILTON TO COMPARE HIS WIFE TO ANGELICA SCHUYLER
posted by a fiendish thingy at 7:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [47 favorites]


"Ain't never been satisfied!"
posted by stet at 7:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's never been satisfied! I'm choosing to believe that was a Hamilton reference.
posted by pupperduck at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bill Clinton thinking of a diplomatic way to say "crony shitheads".
posted by Talez at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Adoptive parents! Yay!
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016


lol bill is throwing shade at tom delay and pointing out that Hillary can work across the aisle at the same time.
posted by winna at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Humanizing Tom Delay? Bold move.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Clinton has the storytelling skills of Lincoln.
posted by persona au gratin at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


"The orphanage."
posted by stet at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Gawker is running a live stream of Bill Clinton's teleprompter if you want to see when he starts to improvise.
posted by Uncle Ira at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Chelsea is now in college!
posted by winna at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's Hamilton all the way down, people.
posted by stet at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


*blinks* wait what where did the time go
posted by acidic at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Love is complicated and richly variegated.

I'm not gonna harp on this for a single comment more but my stance is that it's totally weird the pass Bill gets from democrats for being the pure embodiment of male piggery, the shit he pulled would've gotten me run out on a rail as a young professor at a SLAC and he should be too ashamed to show his face in public period. Maybe we're all of a sudden a bunch of Jonathan Chaits? Apply your intersectionalism! But I guess I'm a hater.
posted by dis_integration at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I think what Bill is nailing here is the overarching message: If you ever thought that Hillary got where she did riding my coat tails, you're so wrong. I got where I did following her lead.
posted by shelbaroo at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [164 favorites]


Somebody needs to run through the transcripts, Bill's speech vs Melania's, and break out and compare the meaningful accomplishments of each of their spouses.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh, man, my mom was also all about the liner paper in the dorm drawers.
posted by rewil at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


YES CHELSEA IS GOING TO SPEAK
posted by mynameisluka at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Props to Michele from Clinton!
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I wish I could tell stories this well. It's near effortless. Like you're just waiting for your bus stop to come, or for your food to finish cooking, and he decided to tell a story. It's a true gift.
posted by cashman at 7:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


I had to deal with household business and missed a little bit, but -- has he mentioned yet that he was president?
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fast forward...two years.
posted by snofoam at 7:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bill got a lot of shit when he campaigned for pandering, but he really isn't -- he always sounds exactly like this. He never really varies his shit based on his audience; he just does different versions of his one, very successful, act. A little schoolteachery, a lot folksy, clearly in command of all the facts without coming off as smarmy or haughty. He's not a listener by disposition, the way they're framing Hillary. He's a talker/teacher. It's a weirdly outdated way of projecting gravitas, leadership. He's humble only in the way good bosses are. It's interesting to watch but I know why people don't really do it this way anymore.
posted by penduluum at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


Pretty sure we've got a ways to go yet, but based on his performance so far there's some unbelievable pwnage coming up.
posted by uosuaq at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


The corpse in the library, he skipped it entirely.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


And then William Jefferson Clinton, in full view of the nation, was possessed by the Fae Voice. His mouth moved on its own, recounting detail after detail, and everything was The Truth. At first the audience found him charming, and then confusing. But all the air in that arena seemed to disappear when his story reached the present moment, and then continued on into a foretelling of the future.

When it was all over, you could have heard a pin drop. Bill was dizzy, and it took him a few moments to realize what had happened.

"Oh shit," he said.

And then everything exploded.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


The difference between these two conventions in a single moment: the DNC crowd can cheer Tom fucking DeLay for being an adoptive parent.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [56 favorites]


I'm about five minutes behind the live feed, and that makes the Gawker feed doubly weird.
posted by anastasiav at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016


The corpse in the library, he hasn't explicitly talked about it other than as context for Hillary's public service as First Lady.
posted by winna at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


*blinks* wait what where did the time go

It's actually Friday night now, we expect him to get to the 2010s sometime in August.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Like you're just waiting for your bus stop to come, or for your food to finish cooking, and he decided to tell a story.

If this dude came up to me and started telling me this story while I was at a bus stop, I'd be like "wait what the fuck aren't you bill clinton"
posted by Greg Nog at 7:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [54 favorites]


It's interesting to watch but I know why people don't really do it this way anymore.

Why?
posted by leotrotsky at 7:41 PM on July 26, 2016


How in the fucking hell does he do this so well. just riffing
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I had to deal with household business and missed a little bit, but -- has he mentioned yet that he was president?

Nope, it's been about her.
posted by sebastienbailard at 7:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


My dad LOVES Bill Clinton, always has, and I never really got it. I get it now. He was lukewarm about Hillary but I think this is really going to sway him and a lot of people like him.
posted by theodolite at 7:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Who said he gets a pass? He's not making a policy speech, and he's not running for anything. He's not the candidate. He's making a spouse speech. What the ever loving fuck do Bill's moral failings have to do with the actual candidate, Hillary Clinton?

Yes, please explain how tarnishing a woman with her husband's flaws is an example of progressive intersectionalism. I'll wait.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [185 favorites]


It's almost as if he is one of the most charismatic men who have ever lived???
posted by hleehowon at 7:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


"Newt Gingrich complemented Hillary's competence. Therefore Newt Gingrich is a liar." I love it.
posted by carmicha at 7:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Meanwhile, protesters outside are burning an Israeli flag.
posted by zachlipton at 7:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I had to deal with household business and missed a little bit, but -- has he mentioned yet that he was president?

I didn't realize until you asked, but he didn't and that is just amazing.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


how many times have the children been mentioned? She has done so much more than helping children but this seems like a calculated move and I do not respect or trust Bill Clinton and I could counter almost every point he is making with something else he said. But "won't you think of the children" is kinda obvious.

I'll bow out for the time being but I find this to be insufferable pandering. A good ole days white washing.
posted by futz at 7:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yes, please explain how tarnishing a woman with her husband's flaws is an example of progressive intersectionalism. I'll wait.

Said nothing about Hillary. Just want Bill to shut up.
posted by dis_integration at 7:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Pandering to those of us who care about children, public education, preschool programs? Excellent! I'll take it!
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [92 favorites]


why yes that is how you pronounce "LGBT"
posted by you're a kitty! at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Yeah this speech is basically about showing that despite several decades of right wing propaganda thrown at her that Clinton never stopped being true to herself and her values.

There will no doubt be a lot of Republican Women that will see in Hillary Clinton the trials and tribulations that they have faced in their lives and that she's managed to succeed in a world where everything is stacked against her and her every motivation is questioned.

If this speech can get those women to see a little of themselves in Hillary it's golden.
posted by vuron at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


the Andrew Sullivans of the world would never understand why it's so powerful

For what it's worth, Andrew Sullivan is enjoying the speech too:

10:22 p.m. He’s so good. He’s slowly building the case for a woman who has worked her whole life in public service, interspersed with his dating tips. He speaks with brilliantly varying pace, weaving anecdote and argument together. He’s telling us a story. He’s reintroducing this woman to America.
posted by Pfardentrott at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


how many times have the children been mentioned?

That's been one of the themes tonight.
posted by NorthernLite at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


you have made your distaste known, futz, no need to ask us anymore rhetorical questions
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


has he mentioned yet that he was president?

I think only in passing, mentioning that he had arrived with a mandate to drink health care and that she was a natural fit.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's humble only in the way good bosses are. It's interesting to watch but I know why people don't really do it this way anymore.

Because they can't. They don't know how. It's the same reason nobody writes in a fine Italic hand anymore very much. same reason none of these bright-eyed young politicians up there can shoe a horse or extemporize a sonnet. It's a dying art and a god damned tragedy.
posted by queenofbithynia at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


It's Hamilton all the way down, people.

That's why they call him Ten Dollar Bill.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Just want Bill to shut up.

You're free to tune out!
posted by localhuman at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Can we get an election2016 tag on this?
posted by mostly vowels at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016


Standing ovation :-)
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016


Here comes the Big Dog!
posted by persona au gratin at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016


I guess I feel like Bill Clinton is the least interesting part about Hillary. He has held her down, I think. She has kept by him because she is a forgiving human? This speech is weirdly Feminine-Mystique-y.

A big part of Hillary's cultural impact is that she came of age at a time when it simply wasn't feasible for a woman to achieve the same sorts of success as a man. It just wasn't an option, so she worked the edges and did what she could. The fact that she lived through those times, flourished, and is now the Democratic nominee for president is something that women of Hillary's generation could only dream of. She embodies a generation that has gone from hoping for change to seeing it happen.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [112 favorites]


it's so weird to read a thread of glurge over a group of people who I think are cynical hacks who used their public service as a springboard to make hundreds of millions of dollars influence peddling.

Takes one to know one?
posted by Talez at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


schadenfrau is completely p0wning all y'all on the Bill Clinton moral police
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ooh, bringing in the RNC. "One is real, the other is made up."
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


What have children ever done for us?
posted by glhaynes at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Here's the pitch to independents...
posted by zombieflanders at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016


"One is real, the other is made up" and Elizabeth Warren is fucking GIDDY
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


That's why they call him Ten Dollar Bill.

Heck, he's a Benjamin.
posted by y2karl at 7:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't think anyone either knows or cares what the Clintons actually believe, it's all about how it make you feel

I'm sick of this condescending crap that no one knows or cares about what the Clintons believe. Like we just wildly swing at the voting levers.
posted by zutalors! at 7:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [69 favorites]


ooh, explicitly talking about the REAL Hillary. I love this.
posted by acidic at 7:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Chelsea's great. I have a silly little story about Chelsea that I won't share, but she's great.

I find this to be insufferable pandering

That's okay. You're almost certainly not the target audience here.
posted by holgate at 7:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


She has done so much more than helping children but this seems like a calculated move

Scripted rhetoric? Calculated?
posted by rorgy at 7:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"One is real, the other is made up." Awesome.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm hard as a pack of muffins, that's why I'm voting for the reanimated corpse of Trotsky this November.
posted by winna at 7:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


For what it's worth, Andrew Sullivan is enjoying the speech too

As it's being given, sure. That's Bill Clinton's magic. But Sullivan would have panned this speech if the text had been released beforehand. He really, -really- hates the Clintons. The fact that he's actually liking it now, while Clinton is speaking, just shows how good Bill is at this.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Good for you, because earlier today, you nominated the real one!
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


Bring it home, Bill.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNN
posted by mynameisluka at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Yes, that was rhetorical magic.
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm voting the zombie Roosevelt ticket (Teddy as president, F.D.R. as VP).
posted by infinitywaltz at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh shit he's adjusting the mic
posted by rp at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Jesus this is like that scene in Airplane where Ted keeps talking about Elaine and the people next to him are setting themselves on fire, etc.
posted by Cookiebastard at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm hard as a pack of muffins

wait what?
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


He's making a spouse speech. What the ever loving fuck do Bill's moral failings have to do with the actual candidate, Hillary Clinton?

It's a little weird to expect the listeners to hear anecdotes about what a wonderful spousal relationship they've had without, like, remembering the spousal relationship they've had
posted by Greg Nog at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


HASHTAG BLESSED
posted by cortex at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Bill talking about how "real change is boring" is an effective, although subtle, dig at Trump, who hasn't read a book as an adult and gets all his news from TV.
posted by fitnr at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


The rich, sweet, complex life being told here genuinely makes me tear up -- it is so moving to hear Hillary's life story, and to understand her long, messy, dedicated effort to serve in the real, imperfect, world.
posted by SandCounty at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [38 favorites]


Bill does something Steve Jobs did a lot. Just meander along until you drop the bomb that you've been leading up to a mic dropping moment.
posted by Brainy at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Haha. "We've got to get back on schedule..." because the standing O went more than 10 seconds in a speech that's going to be measured in fortnights at this rate.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


man i like bill clinton in spite of my better judgement
posted by murphy slaw at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


"A real changemaker is a real threat."
posted by EatTheWeak at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Life is complicated and change is hard work but important" is basically all I've ever wanted to hear a Democrat admit out loud. Getting people to applaud that line and believe it will literally change the world.
posted by penduluum at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [75 favorites]


hard as a pack of muffins

ಠ_ಠ
posted by en forme de poire at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Out of office, so he's allowed to do the emphatic finger-pointing thing again (he used to have to capture it with his thumb).
posted by Iris Gambol at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"She'll never quit on you when the going gets tough." - Bill Clinton
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


When I was President I did ... BUT Hillary

Perfect
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Holy shit how did they get that many change maker signs out that quickly?
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


remembering the spousal relationship they've had

Unlike some people, I guess, I don't actually know squat about their spousal relationship except that they've been married as long as my own parents through a lot of unqualified bullshit that he pulled. That's the sum total of what I know about their marriage. Not much to go on.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


I love how wonky this speech is. Like Bill and Hillary really want to not just share their history, but also box us into a corner and talk at us for hours about the ramifications of minor changes to education policy and using generic drugs.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


cue "clinton: the changemaker" mentos-style ads in 3 2 1
posted by murphy slaw at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hmmm blue eh?
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think the signs must be under everyone's seats, and they were told to take them out when they heard the key words.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


With so much drama in the DNC
It's kinda hard bein Hill D-O-double-G
But I, somehow, some way
Keep fixing up funky ass shit like every single day
May I, kick a little something for the D's (yeah)
and, score a few votes as (yeah!) I breeze, through
Ten in the evenin and the party's still jumpin
cause Bill ain't home
posted by Talez at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]



Holy shit how did they get that many change maker signs out that quickly?


they're so good with the signs tonight.
posted by zutalors! at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


One of the things I find sweet about Bill is that you can tell how much he loves her by how indignant he gets about people who insult her.
posted by schroedinger at 7:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [43 favorites]


A+
posted by cashman at 7:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Under one hour! Thank u based god
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


42 minutes. I was too far under.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


As I've apparently confused people I have literally no idea what "hard as a pack of muffins" means it is from mighty boosh and I've always thought it funny.
posted by winna at 7:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


So how long was that?
posted by entropicamericana at 7:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit how did they get that many change maker signs out that quickly?

I saw the whips handing them out after he started his speech in some of the audience shots. The sign game has been on point throughout.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Are you guys upset with an organized convention?
posted by cmfletcher at 7:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


#therealone
posted by PlusDistance at 7:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Maddow's a little upset about the repeated use of "the girl."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm hard as a pack of muffins, that's why I'm voting for the reanimated corpse of Trotsky this November

I thank you for your support.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


From Google: No results found for "hard as a pack of muffins".

Huh.
posted by mhum at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit how did they get that many change maker signs out that quickly?

Because the people running this event are competent, unlike the people running last week's convention.
posted by joedan at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


Apparently there's way more convention left tonight?!
posted by winna at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016


GOD HERSELF is ascending?

The Meryl is coming?

Oh my god Mandy Moore too? I have missed you so much
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hrmm, uncharacteristically succinct from the Big Dog.

Maybe he'll go with the annotated version in 2020
posted by vuron at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just wanna know what kind of muffins
posted by sara is disenchanted at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, try to top this, GOP. Bring out your best beatboxers. I'll wait.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


And your finest Republican comedians.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yeah Maddow is not a fan of the beginning of that speech.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016


This song is making me cry. Again.
I don't think it's just the tequila.
posted by Superplin at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


A singing dog!
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh shut up singing people I am CRYING and I don't even care how easy I am.

Jesus, was that Jane Fonda?!
posted by Salieri at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Goddamn this is another home run. It feels like the RNC showed up to a gunfight with a knife, and we showed up with an armored tank division.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


Kristen Chenoweth!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016


Are you guys upset with an organized convention?

Hell no.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I don't actually know squat about their spousal relationship

She wrote about it, is how I know the bit I know about their spousal relationship

Mrs Clinton says that at first she believed her husband's denial of the affair, putting it down to a "vast right-wing conspiracy" for nearly six months after it was first made public.
"For me, the Lewinsky imbroglio seemed like just another vicious scandal manufactured by political opponents," she says.
But she reveals that on the morning of 15 August 1998, the president woke her up, pacing at the bedside in the White House and he "told me for the first time that the situation was much more serious than he had previously acknowledged".
He then told her he was ashamed and knew she would be angry. "I could hardly breathe," says Mrs Clinton. "Gulping for air, I started crying and yelling at him, 'What do you mean? What are you saying? Why did you lie to me?'
"I was furious and getting more so by the second. He just stood there saying over and over again, "I'm sorry. I was trying to protect you and Chelsea."
Later, Mrs Clinton says, she could not believe he would risk their marriage and family for a fling. "I was dumbfounded, heartbroken and outraged that I'd believed him at all."
She says the president began to cry after she told him he would have to confess to their daughter Chelsea, then a teenager.
But she decided in the end that she still loved him, although "as a wife I wanted to wring Bill's neck". In what may have been the low point of the marriage, the couple took a holiday that summer in Martha's Vineyard, where the tensions between them were visible to the world's media.
"Buddy the dog came along to keep Bill company," she says. "He was the only member of the family who was willing to go."
At the time she felt "nothing but profound sadness, disappointment and unresolved anger. I could barely speak to Bill and when I did, it was a tirade. I read. I walked on the beach. He slept downstairs. I slept upstairs."
In time, Mrs Clinton says, the couple were brought back together over her plan to run for the Senate

posted by Greg Nog at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [47 favorites]


Ooof, MSNBC really didn't like it.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016


IDINA AHHHHH
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit! A woman literally just pushed an old white man away from the mic.
posted by stet at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


A subtext of this is that a woman as president is allowed to be a woman and a president, and maybe that's not quite the same as being a man and a president, so start imagining what might be different about it and get comfortable with it -- not in an aggressive way, but in a mental exercise way. That's to say, it's a speech with men in mind, and perhaps the kind of men who voted for Clinton in '92 and '96 but lean Trumpwards in '16, and maybe that's a bit Feminine Mystique, but it's part of the damn campaign.
posted by holgate at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


I normally have a problem with that, but he called himself "boy" in the story. The point was to show they were both young at the time.
posted by cashman at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE
OMG I am too old to know the famous people anymore, might as well bury me
posted by Andrhia at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Holy crap. They just come fast and thick with celebs.

IDINA MENZEL! OH YEAH!
posted by Talez at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Are you guys upset with an organized convention?

I might have been if we saw one. I think the DNC managed more of a balance than they intended.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016


CONNIE BRITTON
posted by cortex at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


ALAN FUCKING CUMMING
posted by JauntyFedora at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


ALAN CUMMING DANCING WITH HIS DOG
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


OK.
This production-- FUCKING UNREAL.
posted by rp at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait Kristen Chenoweth? I thought she was a Republican.

Does that mean that the musical elves are throwing in their lot with Hillary?
posted by vuron at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Brady Bunch?
posted by hal9k at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016


M E R Y L FUCK OH MY
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


A+ political music video montage, 10/10 would watch again
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


As I've apparently confused people

uh I guess I was more curious than confused but uh so yeah hard pack of muffins ok
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Okay, but the song didn't have Scott Baio, so. . . .
posted by Spathe Cadet at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


What is this, Up With People?
posted by entropicamericana at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016


Yeah, when talking about yourself 40+ years ago using "boy" and "girl" doesn't seem inappropriate (I'm a little behind on his speech but he's definitely using "boy" for himself).
posted by thefoxgod at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


SHE'S SO PUMPED
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016


FUCKING CUMMING

not helping
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Seriously, who is producing this? Absolutely amazing job they're doing.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Meryl Streep just gave us the Dean scream Howard didn't.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Jane Fonda was in it. Giant middle finger to the Rs.
posted by Talez at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I expected Bill to go for 90 minutes. I wish he would have. I love listening to him speak.
posted by persona au gratin at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Ester Dean!
posted by rewil at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016


Ooof, MSNBC really didn't like it.

Are they going to have Saint Doctor Jill Stein of the Holy Dilution on to talk about it? Fuck MSNBC.
posted by holgate at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Meryl Streep, acting as Howard Dean's scream translator.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Meryl has been watching Dean.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I didn't know who any of the singers under late 20s are...
Oh wait, was that Sia, how old is she?
posted by NorthernLite at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016


WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE
OMG I am too old to know the famous people anymore, might as well bury me


It's fine, just let it go...
posted by tobascodagama at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I cheered when I saw Alan Cumming, too.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:00 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm turning into fucking billy Eichner over here
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


OH MY GOD, DEBORAH SAMPSON. I WAS OBSESSED WITH HER. I researched her for colonial day in seventh grade and basically LARPed as her, and also now I'm bi and dress in drag sometimes and I can't believe Meryl Streep mentioned this fairly obscure historical figuuuure
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 8:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


OMG Meryl I love what you're wearing. I love what you're doing.
posted by Lutoslawski at 8:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Meryl Streep has found the store where Ms. Frizzle buys her dresses.
posted by palindromic at 8:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


Wow I zoned out for a sec and thought Meryl was saying Hillary Clinton served in Washington's army
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Shout out to Shirley Chisholm!
posted by winna at 8:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh wait, was that Sia, how old is she?

40.
posted by Talez at 8:01 PM on July 26, 2016


palindromic don't even go there my desire to have Meryl be Ms. Frizzle IRL is already at a breaking point
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I WANT TO GIVE HER AN OSCAR AND SHE'S NOT EVEN ACTING
posted by mcstayinskool at 8:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh and John Michael Higgins in it as well. Aisha Tyler who I have a giant nerd crush on. Kristin Chenoweth, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Julie Bowen are the ones I remember off hand.
posted by Talez at 8:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Streep's speech is making me think of Lumberjanes interjections. Great Shirley Chisholm!
posted by The corpse in the library at 8:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I need an annotated version of the video, I think....
posted by anastasiav at 8:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


We'll never be free until we end slavery.
posted by stet at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


and now... the... video
posted by hal9k at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016


I feel such incredible love. The diversity, the emphasis on accessibility, the inclusion of so many points of view... I've always resisted being a Democrat despite agreeing with them on 90% of the things, but it's like they made this freaking convention to match my deepest hearts desires.
posted by Deoridhe at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


oh no "these were our founders too" oh let me live
posted by you're a kitty! at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm sitting here literally screaming Shirley Chisholm and Meryl's names hoooooly shit she was amazing
posted by kalimac at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This video though.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016


And there it is.

Oh shit, stonewall!
posted by stet at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016


Lily Tomlin is sad that you guys are trying to give away her acting roles to Meryl "I have way too many Oscars already" Streep.

Why are you guys so mean?
posted by vuron at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016


Tiny clip of lindy hop at the Savoy Ballroom, there's the swing dancer vote all sewn up.
posted by kevin is... at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Vote Different?
posted by ZeusHumms at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016


Please, DNC, we need more mentions of trans women in this conversation this week. Don't fail us in that regard
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I really like speeches and I hate videos. Boo videos. BOOOOOOOOO
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Anybody know who the narrator is here?
posted by zachlipton at 8:05 PM on July 26, 2016


Okay, it's 10 pm central and I have work tomorrow. Be safe,

I'm very impressed with the thread and the DNC
posted by AlexiaSky at 8:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]




That's it. I'm never taking off my Hillary shirt. I'll just grow around it. It'll be fine.
posted by schadenfrau at 8:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


The little girl on screen when "she can be anything she wants to be" is read is the cutest wee moppet on earth.
posted by winna at 8:06 PM on July 26, 2016