It's hot as hell in Philadelphia
July 26, 2016 1:10 PM   Subscribe

Join us for Day 2 of the Democratic National Convention, featuring the Roll Call of the States, Mothers of the Movement, Madeleine Albright, and President Bill Clinton.

Following an eventful Day 1, Day 2 will give Sanders delegates "the chance to back him in a roll-call vote from the convention floor on Tuesday, a largely symbolic gesture intended to recognize the breadth of Mr. Sanders’s support as the former rival campaigns negotiate an awkward peace." There remains an opportunity for further gavel-related hijinks as well, so you won't want to miss a moment of the excitement.

A few highlights from yesterday:
11-year-old Karla Ortiz - "I don't feel brave every day," she says, discussing the fear her parents may be deported
Sarah Silverman's full speech
Michelle Obama
Elizabeth Warren
Bernie Sanders

Today's full schedule of speakers

Streaming links:
Twitch
YouTube 360 degree
demconvention.org

A hastily-assembled collection of random election stories of the day:
The creator of the viral pro-Trump act ‘USA Freedom Kids’ now plans to sue the campaign
"It is easy to boo, but it is harder to look your kids in the face who would be living under a Donald Trump presidency," says @BernieSanders
Steven Colbert's wrap-up of Day 1
Trump Testifies He Planned Infamous Mexican ‘Rapists’ Speech In Advance
posted by zachlipton (2604 comments total) 57 users marked this as a favorite
 
Thank you for this new thread, zachlipton!
posted by zarq at 1:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


For reference during today's roll-call: Hillary stopping the roll-call in 2008 to nominate Obama by acclamation.
posted by acidic at 1:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


Thanks for posting highlights from yesterday, too. I tuned out after the early ugliness, but I still want to hear Michelle Obama's and Elizabeth Warren's speeches.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:12 PM on July 26, 2016


*vacuums the other 90% of the carpet*
posted by mrzarquon at 1:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Hillary Clinton Is Imperfect. That's OK. We're Nominating a President, Not a Messiah: "When political debates throughout the world are resolved with violence and executions, I am so moved that this messy, loud, contentious convention will nominate a superb woman to be the next President of the United States tonight."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


mybodyisready.gif

Man, good thing I work at a university and things are slow right now.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Can we start a pool on how long Bill's speech is gonna be?
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


It's actually cooled off a bit from yesterday, thank God.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:14 PM on July 26, 2016


(Both literally and, I hope, metaphorically)
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Another highlight, while we're listing: Cory Booker's speech.
posted by penduluum at 1:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I should have included Rep. Elijah Cummings' speech, which was actually quite lovely about civil rights but for all the people shouting over it.
posted by zachlipton at 1:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Can we start a pool on how long Bill's speech is gonna be?

I'm going to say 1 minute longer than Donald's acceptance speech, so 77 minutes.
posted by sallybrown at 1:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


For reference during today's roll-call: Hillary stopping the roll-call in 2008 to nominate Obama by acclamation.

If that happened today there would be anarchy. Bernie delegates are fighting this down to the last bitter vote even if he doesn't want it.
posted by Talez at 1:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Brand New Congress, the PAC formed by former advisors of Senator Sanders that would like to “replace Congress all at once” with Progressive candidates in the 2018 midterms (yes, they do know that only 468 of the 535 seats are up for re-election in two years,) just sent out the following email:
We’re in Philly, and you should have seen the fallen faces last night of thousands of Bernie supporters here. We all hate this ultimatum that we’ve been given. And there’s a way to escape it! Whatever you do in this presidential election, the revolution has a new target, and it needs you: We’re running 400 candidates for 2018 to elect a Brand New Congress.

How many times did people tell us we were crazy for saying the system was rigged? We knew it was corrupt. We could see it. And they dismissed us -- the party, the press, and many of our friends and family. But now with the Wikileaks release of thousands of DNC official emails, we have full confirmation the DNC tipped the scales as they mocked the Bernie campaign and Bernie volunteers.

We know the DNC is going to do everything in its power to stop BNC too -- we’re under no illusions. They’ve already been talking about us in the Wikileaks emails! That’s why we need to build our own campaign infrastructure outside the party. And we’re doing it! We’ve got some of the best organizers and technology people from the campaign.

Will you donate $3 or $27 to help us keep building and seize this critical moment?

If you've saved your payment information with ActBlue Express, your donation will go through immediately:

[Express Donate Links]

Dozens of us BNC leaders are here in Philly, building this new movement -- both inside and outside the Convention, while dozens more are working hard at home all over the country. Volunteers are triaging all 30,000 people who have signed up so far into a national organizing structure. We are calling through hundreds of candidate nominations. A dozen speakers are leading a 100-city organizing tour, leaving behind ground teams everywhere they go. We’re building a new generation of voter contact tools. Not all -- but some of this requires funds, such as travel, legal fees, our first office, printing, and key software tools. We are paying for a lot of this stuff out of our own pockets -- and thousands of supporters have already donated to help.

Bernie said we were fighting to overthrow the Billionaire Class. And then last night he told us to vote for Hillary Clinton even though she represents the Billionaire Class -- because Donald Trump, who not only represents the Billionaires, also stands openly for hate, racism, division and misogyny.

But this does not mean the revolution is over! The BNC is a campaign to overthrow establishment politics and economics by electing a whole new Congress of honest people from all walks of life and who truly represent the people. Please help us take off, with whatever donation you can make.

Yours for the revolution,
The Whole BNC Volunteer Team
They're pushing several narratives, including: Clinton was forced on them, the system is rigged, they were dismissed by everyone but will rise again, the DNC was against them from the beginning, etc., etc.

Whatever the rhetoric, I'm really looking forward to seeing if they manage to get some Progressives elected. This is how lasting political change is made -- by building support from the ground up.
posted by zarq at 1:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


I'm going to say 1 minute longer than Donald's acceptance speech, so 77 minutes.

I see you're using the "Price is Right" method of estimating time. All right, I'll use the "Jeopardy" method and say "half as long as Trump's speech minus a minute," so 35 minutes.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


My cable has been down since Saturday, and I just got it back up and running. Did I miss anything?

All I have to add right now is I was at my doctor's office yesterday, and they had FoxNews playing in the waiting room (ugh) and the narration was all about how Hillary monkeywrenched and robbed Bernie, and how Bernie's supporters were threatening violence and civil disobedience, etc. etc. I think they even mentioned someone chaining themselves to something or another. To hear Fox tell it, Philadelphia was total pandemonium bordering on violent insurrection. They practically had Philly in flames already.

To top it off, the two guys waiting in the room with me were expressing their disappointment that they would be voting against someone for President, instead of for someone. They were both for Trump.
posted by Thorzdad at 1:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bill has to fill at least 60 minutes, so I'll say 65.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


One thing I haven't really kept up with given all the drama inside is news from the protests outside. Anybody have any good recaps or links on what's been going on?
posted by zachlipton at 1:21 PM on July 26, 2016


My cable has been down since Saturday, and I just got it back up and running. Did I miss anything?

Sunday's Doonesbury.
posted by zarq at 1:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [53 favorites]


"Bill has to fill at least 60 minutes, so I'll say 65."

God, I just hope he stays on the paper. Every time he adds improv, he does damage to HRC's campaign.
posted by klarck at 1:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


During the roll call, I just want to know what Kansas is thinking, what Kansas is for.
posted by drezdn at 1:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I know everybody always says gavel-to-gavel coverage, but I've never been so literally interested in the actual gavel part before.
posted by zachlipton at 1:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I hope I'm always going to look back at this convention and thank little Karla Ortiz for singlehandedly saving the country from Donald Trump with her courageous adorability.
posted by zennie at 1:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I will be very interested to see how progressives do in the midterms - I'm genuinely afraid that there isn't enough maturity, politicking, sense, etc, and that depresses me. I want to be progressive! But not if it means being part of the ideology of the BoBer who last night informed me that this was the most rigged, corrupt election in American history. (I was very tired, and let another friend argue instead of snapping 'the entirety of American history before the Voting Rights Act, to begin with' at him.)
posted by kalimac at 1:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Sunday's Doonesbury.

Don't Sunday comics have to be turned in six weeks ahead of time? Trudeau knows what's up.
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Sit down, Bill! Sit down, Bill!
For God's sake, Bill, sit down!
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Someone oughta open up a window!

(That someone is me, opening up more browser windows. I wasn't around yesterday and so I appreciate the links to the highlights, as well as for the gavel-related coverage.)
posted by mixedmetaphors at 1:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'll bet that Bill will take up 80 minutes somehow.
posted by ZeusHumms at 1:26 PM on July 26, 2016


Mod note: Several comments deleted. Greetings friends, to repeat: only YOU can refrain from filling the thread with 1000 comments about the number of comments; also we're not relitigating the primaries in here; also take the DNC email stuff over to previous thread where it was extensively discussed.
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 1:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [33 favorites]




I'm taking bets on whether, in 2020, he re-uses the "I just wanted to finish my speech" line from 1992.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hm. This is my 2000th comment, so I should use it to get a good laugh: Bill for under 15, just to mess with people.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 1:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


So I watched a bit of the proceedings last night, but was too far behind in the thread to comment. Franken seemed flat, so I tuned out for a moment, & came back in just in time to see Sarah Silverman looking awkward -- I guess she'd just gotten the "keep going" hand signal, but she did alright. I totally missed Michelle Obama -- I got the stream going again just in time for Thank you!" -- ugh.

Cory Booker seemed shouty. My wife used the word "exhausting." Still, he's got a ton of potential, if he can shake off some of his corporate baggage. I like his positivity.

Elizabeth Warren fucking killed it. I love her so much. I really love that she pulls NO punches. Please dear G*d give her a senate majority.

Sanders -- I was a supporter early on because I compared his platform to Clinton's & it aligned with my values better. I got more tepid as the Bern it Down crowd started to gain steam. HOWEVER he & his supporters deserve a huge debt of gratitude for driving the platform leftward. They got real work done there, despite not winning the nom. Good on Bernie & co. for that. His speech last night was pitch-perfect under the circumstances. He managed to round the corner from thanking & praising his supporters to throwing his weight behind Clinton & laying out Reasons Why at just the right pace. Very impressed, & very glad to see him moving so deftly towards unity.

Feel a little better about the slim margins in the national polls after last night.

That final prayer put me straight to sleep on about the 200th G*d.

See y'all at the voting booth in November -- I'll be in my hole peeking out occasionally, but I don't have the guts for this any more.
posted by Devils Rancher at 1:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Non 360 youtube view, which is what I found to be the most stable yesterday.
posted by mrzarquon at 1:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


For anyone trying to make sense of this election cycle - this about sums it up in two quick minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poz6W0znOfk
posted by CottonCandyCapers at 1:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I can't wait to watch history. We'll have a woman to vote for as president from a major party in a few months.
posted by cashman at 1:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I hope poffin boffin will be less murderous now ^_^
posted by numaner at 1:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


You know she's thinking "don't forget to gavel. Don't forget to gavel."

And she does it right off the bat! Twice! Good gaveling!
posted by zachlipton at 1:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Sunday's Doonesbury

Oh, that first panel.

And even Roland Burton Hedley II, jr. took notice.
 
posted by Herodios at 1:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm a Fudge backer! (am i doing this right?)
posted by OHenryPacey at 1:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


That 360 degree stream is hilarious. Did they do that for the RNC too?
posted by roll truck roll at 1:33 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh, that first panel.

With the stiff-arm salutes in the background. Yeah.
posted by zarq at 1:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Have I just fallen in with a really weird group of people on facebook? I hope so, because there's a truly alarming number of Bernie or Busters appearing in my facebook feed. One guy said that Clinton and Trump were totally interchangeable, two sides of the same corporate oligarchic coin, etc. I posted this exhaustive list of insane, terrifying shit that Donald Trump has said to indicate that there is, in fact, a very appreciable difference between the two candidates. He said I could go on burying my head in the sand if I wanted to, and he'd be voting for Jill Stein. I'm like, hhhnnnngnnnnnnnnnggggg
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 1:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


Whatever the rhetoric, I'm really looking forward to seeing if they manage to get some Progressives elected. This is how lasting political change is made -- by building support from the ground up.

What do they think this is, 1968?
posted by ZenMasterThis at 1:35 PM on July 26, 2016


Weirdly nobody has accidentally done a form perfect Seig Heil on stage at the DNC, despite assurances that it's just one of those things that happen.
posted by Artw at 1:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [57 favorites]


With the stiff-arm salutes in the background. Yeah.

Sheriff's salutes.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


I can get behind this prayer.
posted by bearwife at 1:36 PM on July 26, 2016


I expect the whips will have been out today and it'll be calmer. I'm more worried about the Big Dog stepping in it.

OK, I'm even more worried that the Busters will bait him into saying something stupid.
posted by dw at 1:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam! A lot of us are seeing stuff like that. Personally, I've opted to unfollow most of the people posting the craziest stuff right now. I'll refollow them later. I'm not the person who is going to change their mind because I'm way, way to GRAR SUPREME COURT. I encourage you to do the same for your own piece of mind.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


For all of his many faults, of course Bill Clinton will give an amazing speech. That's, like, what he does.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 1:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I hope so, because there's a truly alarming number of Bernie or Busters appearing in my facebook feed. One guy said that Clinton and Trump were totally interchangeable, two sides of the same corporate oligarchic coin, etc.

I've been seeing this on my feed, too, and I am not engaging (I just post the "Shocked Horror" emoticon).
posted by infinitywaltz at 1:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Go to youtube. On the left, there's a link that says "Live". Click on it. You'll see all the live feeds including the DNC one.

Here's the one I have open in the background:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fw7XiCJL4M
posted by I-baLL at 1:39 PM on July 26, 2016


DNC opening filled with people of all sorts of abilities. A woman in the wheelchair led the pledge of allegiance. The anthem speaker is blind.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


What time are the don't miss bits, today? I'm trying to not have the TV on for six hours like I did yesterday....
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:39 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm a Fudge backer! (am i doing this right?)

She's my rep -- the 11th district, the bluest and blackest congressional district in Ohio.

We were lucky to get her when Stephanie Tubbs Jones died suddenly in 2008.
 
posted by Herodios at 1:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Goddamnit!! ALLERGIES AGAIN!! how am i to survive the day, yet alone the entire convention!!
posted by ramix at 1:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait, Chuck Woolery is not only still alive, but on Twitter?
posted by zennie at 1:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


The most rabid Bernie supporter "friend" on my FB wall is a prominent female sociologist at a Big Ten university. When she posted the meme of Bill Clinton with the words "I chose other women over Hillary, so should you" I unfollowed her.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 1:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


I haven't seen any crazy stuff at all on my Facebook feed. A few pro- and anti-Clinton articles here and there, but nothing close to the insanity that is apparently some feeds. I know exactly one guy who went all "Bernie or bust," but even he's mostly posting stuff about running.
posted by teponaztli at 1:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Thankfully, I follow very little family on Facebook--mostly because my side of the family has, like, no use for Internet in their lives at all; it's weird--but the ones I do follow are Canadian or Canadians living in the UK (my husband's family). I refuse to engage on political fights or post political comments with anyone else, mostly because I already know how shitty everyone is about this election elsewhere in the world and frankly, posting until I'm blue in the face with people who aren't going to change their minds is a waste of my time.

So all of you with family and friends who are being jerks about this on Facebook? My sympathies. Remember self-care.
posted by Kitteh at 1:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Both of these anthem singers have been so great.
posted by penduluum at 1:41 PM on July 26, 2016


I am literally watching the convention (and Metafilter) while sobbing and eating guacamole with a spoon, out of a giant bowl I made this morning.

I may need an intervention.
posted by Superplin at 1:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


Don't Sunday comics have to be turned in six weeks ahead of time? Trudeau knows what's up.

Trudeau has been uncannily telling the future since about the Vietnam War. It's amazing.
posted by sideshow at 1:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


MSNBC is interviewing Jill Stein. Oh god.
posted by cashman at 1:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I posted this exhaustive list of insane, terrifying shit that Donald Trump has said ...

My god, this list sounds like some of my older relatives talking.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 1:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am literally watching the convention (and Metafilter) while sobbing and eating guacamole with a spoon, out of a giant bowl I made this morning.

I want to go to there.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


I don't really use Facebook, I just lurk. I have one Berner on my feed and she's going to be voting for Hillary due to Trump-fear, but she's terrified because of course her feed is full of Busters and she's convinced that like literally no one will vote for Hillary. Meanwhile, the rest of my feed is all Middle American middle-aged moms (some queer, some trans, mostly flyover-dwelling) and they're all totes in the tank for Hilldawg.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm pretty sure Tom Harkin, who knows sign language and used it on the floor of the Senate when the ADA was passed just quickly greeted the group on stage in sign language before he spoke.
posted by zachlipton at 1:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Come on over, Joey Michaels. There's plenty left!
I can also make margaritas for us, fyi.
posted by Superplin at 1:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


DNC opening filled with people of all sorts of abilities. A woman in the wheelchair led the pledge of allegiance. The anthem speaker is blind.

This week is the 26th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Here's some more pollen for everybody's allergies.
posted by zombieflanders at 1:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The only Buster I've seen in my Facebook feed is my oldest friend in the world. I've known him longer than anyone outside my family. So I can't exactly block or unfollow him. I also know how little he actually pays attention to politics and he lives in a state that's going to the Republicans no matter what like it always does, so I'm not too worried. Lots of emotions right now but things'll calm down.
posted by downtohisturtles at 1:44 PM on July 26, 2016


I may need an intervention.

You need flour tortilla chips.
posted by Taft at 1:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Have I just fallen in with a really weird group of people on facebook? I hope so, because there's a truly alarming number of Bernie or Busters appearing in my facebook feed.

I think this is just their moment to scream. If Obama had lost the nomination in 2008 I'd have needed that chance too.
posted by argybarg at 1:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wait, Chuck Woolery is not only still alive, but on Twitter?

God, that pinned Tweet at the top. I'm sitting on my hands not to send a reply simply consisting of: "*your."
posted by infinitywaltz at 1:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?
posted by Faint of Butt at 1:45 PM on July 26, 2016


MSNBC is interviewing Jill Stein. Oh god.

MSNBC: we're not biased! otherwise why would we intentionally hurt our own core audience??
posted by numaner at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


when is it EVER paid provocateurs?
posted by dismas at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Now Sen. Harkin is teaching the audience to sign the word "America." I love that disability rights are a part of civil rights for the Clinton campaign.
posted by zachlipton at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


About the ADA - if you have never seen the short clip about The Capitol Crawl that shamed legislators into passing the law - awesome!
posted by madamjujujive at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Oh jeeze, this sign language sign for America thing just made me cry.
posted by yasaman at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tom Harkin teaching everyone the ASL for "America" is so lovely, what a great way to start the evening.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

You mean besides /r/SFP and Occam's Razor?
posted by Talez at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Whew, Harkin just taught me my first signed word and make me tear up at the same time.
posted by bearwife at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016


I have goosebumps already. I'm so easy, yinz guys.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016


The most rabid Bernie supporter "friend" on my FB wall is a prominent female sociologist at a Big Ten university. When she posted the meme of Bill Clinton with the words "I chose other women over Hillary, so should you" I unfollowed her.

I know an unfortunate number of gender/queer studies female academics who appear to be taking the "I'm a feminist academic so there's no way any of my offensive critiques of Clinton could be sexist" approach. :(

Like, "I'm against sexism, but I'll make an exception for Clinton."
posted by Anonymous at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016


I am literally watching the convention (and Metafilter) while sobbing and eating guacamole with a spoon, out of a giant bowl I made this morning.

You made a giant bowl just to watch the DNC? That is dedication!
posted by kokaku at 1:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Damn. Tom Harkin just made me cry.
posted by chaoticgood at 1:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Damn that was really moving, the ASL sign for "America."
posted by penduluum at 1:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


And here we go with the "Bernie Sanders!" chants
posted by zachlipton at 1:47 PM on July 26, 2016


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

Literally the entire primary?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 1:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


As a thoroughgoing policy geek, I unabashedly love Bill Clinton speeches. Whether you align with his politics or not (I'm much farther to the left than he is), the guy can talk about income bracket donut holes in the most down home way.
posted by dry white toast at 1:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm not hearing much dissent in the crowd, though I'm not hearing much crowd at all. Maybe they tamped down the audio mix.
posted by dnash at 1:48 PM on July 26, 2016


I am really happy they are going all-in on an ADA thing today.
posted by dw at 1:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


LOLOLZ forever "Hip to be Square"
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Hip to be Square"?!

...I guess it actually fits with Clinton's appeal.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 1:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

There's a subset of Sanders supporters who are just plain nuts, take Cousin Eddie for example.
posted by cmfletcher at 1:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Hip to be Square"

Pandering to undecided mass murderers?
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


They should have had "What Rhymes with Alison Lundergan Grimes" as her walking-out music. That thing was absurdly catchy and I still sing it to myself.
posted by Pfardentrott at 1:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ugh, Jill Stein just Jill Steined all over MSNBC
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 1:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I found this vox piece to be a really interesting perspective on the Berners, especially considering Vox's love for Hillary
posted by R.F.Simpson at 1:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


What time is the roll call scheduled for?
posted by mynameisluka at 1:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Anyone worried about the Bernie-or-Bust vitriol they might be seeing should keep in mind that polls show that something like 90% of Sanders supporters are going to vote Clinton. This is a case of the angriest people being the loudest and so having an outsized presence, because the people who have moved on aren't going to be the ones raging online.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


There was a little Bernie chanting, but it's muted today compared to yesterday.
posted by dw at 1:50 PM on July 26, 2016


> What time is the roll call scheduled for

The best I can find is "around 6:00."
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:50 PM on July 26, 2016


Never mind. 5 p.m. Eastern for the reading-comprehesion-lacking like me.
posted by mynameisluka at 1:51 PM on July 26, 2016


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

O, that way madness lies; let me shun that;
No more of that.
King Lear, Act 3, Scene 4.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 1:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


At least that's what it says on the C-SPAN site.
posted by mynameisluka at 1:51 PM on July 26, 2016


What time is the roll call scheduled for?

It's after this speech according to the C-SPAN schedule.
posted by zachlipton at 1:51 PM on July 26, 2016


Looking foreward to Streep, myself. Nobody does it like Streep.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 1:52 PM on July 26, 2016


See? She eats... uh... buffalo wings! She's just like us!

Please just talk policy to me, I don't care what she eats.
posted by OverlappingElvis at 1:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

As a paid shill I can assure you that my corporate masters had no part in that.
posted by Sangermaine at 1:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh prime tiny hands joke opportunity missed.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I was very happy to see that the guy who started Berning up my fb feed waaaay back before everyone else was talking about him posted something about how we all need to come to grips with reality and get behind Clinton today. 200+ likes and only one white dude in the comments insisting that he could never vote for a "pro-war, corporatist" candidate no matter what.

and since my previous comment was crushed under the iron heel of moderation: Bill goes 72 minutes
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Update from my dad at the convention: the place he's staying at was out of coffee this morning and he had to go out to buy some. That's not quite what I was asking when I asked how the convention was going, but at least he's doing alright. No further updates.
posted by teponaztli at 1:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [56 favorites]


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

Here is a pretty balanced look at a few of the boo-ers from the California delegation, and it includes a bit about the economics of getting a delegate to the convention:

Enriquez feels an obligation, as someone who’s traveling on other Sanders supporters’ dimes, to be vocal in the arena. “When I get home,” he said, “I have to explain myself to all those people.” Did he do everything he could? This is a pressure that many of Sanders supporters are operating under.

So, they're not paid provocateurs, but they may feel a moral obligation to provoke, that is the result of a financial contribution.
posted by acidic at 1:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I have seen here eat tamales, corn husk and all.
posted by Taft at 1:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm crying just thinking about the roll call. I'm going to see a goddam woman nominated. A woman. My kids are going to see it. Holy shit.
posted by The corpse in the library at 1:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


More clever messaging with the signs today. "Do the most good"

It's a message everyone can hold and unify around.
posted by zachlipton at 1:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I see you're using the "Price is Right" method of estimating time.

No, if so, the answer would be 1 minute.
posted by dw at 1:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Here comes the Fudge...
posted by Devonian at 1:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


On the paid provocateurs notion, forget it. There are some Bernie supporters that bad - and a smart republican party might have been trying to highlight them and make sure they went to the convention. You seldom need to pay cranks - instead you find ones who will do it for free.
posted by Francis at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Update from my dad at the convention: the place he's staying at was out of coffee this morning and he had to go out to buy some. That's not quite what I was asking when I asked how the convention was going...

Dads gonna dad.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [38 favorites]


teponaztli, that update is like Peak Dad.
posted by palindromic at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


You guys, a friend of mine who's been a very vocal and angry/angsty Sanders supporter, whom I've only recently started engaging in a very soft way, sent me a Facebook message to THANK ME for helping him to get out of his usual bubble and gain a bit more perspective on the election.

He wrote, "I think you are an amazingly thoughtful and lovely person, and I really am glad to hear your tempered and reasonable voice in the midst of so much outrage (whether that outrage is justified or not) because not many hearts and minds are being won over by "grow up and fall in line." ya know?"

This is yet another reason why I'm sobbing into my guacamole. I have everyone here to thank for this, because I learn so much and you all help keep me (relatively) sane throughout this process.

I appreciate you all, is what I'm trying to say.
posted by Superplin at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [91 favorites]


Is there any evidence that the Bernie chanters from the other day were actually Sanders supporters and not paid provocateurs?

IDK why it's hard to believe that a fraction of the losing candidate's delegates might be genuinely pissed off and annoyingly loud about it, particularly considering that their candidate was the explicitly "overturn the establishment" guy.
posted by showbiz_liz at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Ok chums, I'm going to go buy some Tequila, Cointreau, and limes. For.... reasons.
posted by Justinian at 1:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


The Dems are making me cry again.
posted by spinifex23 at 1:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey so if you feel like MeFi isn't enough convention action for you, my husbands project for the Buzzfeed Open Lab is this bot. (Please forgive but I think it's pretty cool.)
posted by dame at 1:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Has the house band played "Let's Stay Together" yet or are they saving that only for in case it gets really tense later?
posted by EatTheWeek at 1:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hi Can You Give Me An Actual Substantive Update About The Convention, I'm Dad
posted by griphus at 1:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [40 favorites]


Has the house band played "Let's Stay Together" yet or are they saving that only for in case it gets really tense later?

They played "Let's Go Crazy" before it even started yesterday. I don't think the band is interested in calming people down.
posted by zachlipton at 1:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I hope so, because there's a truly alarming number of Bernie or Busters appearing in my facebook feed. One guy said that Clinton and Trump were totally interchangeable, two sides of the same corporate oligarchic coin, etc."

This is not the Bernie people. This is the Trump organization, trying to peel off the votes necessary for the win. This is an attempt to discourage voting, emulating ex-Bernie supporters.
posted by Oyéah at 2:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?
posted by stolyarova at 2:00 PM on July 26, 2016


wooo! my own state's Barbara Mikulski will officially nominate Hillary!
posted by numaner at 2:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Welp first nomination for bernie
posted by AlexiaSky at 2:01 PM on July 26, 2016


He wrote, "I think you are an amazingly thoughtful and lovely person, and I really am glad to hear your tempered and reasonable voice

Sounds like someone has a crush on you.
posted by porpoise at 2:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He sounds like the guy who installed my FiOS connection.
posted by Talez at 2:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


HOORAY
posted by poffin boffin at 2:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


A follow-up on the Capitol Crawl link that madamjujujive posted above:
She went out to a restaurant with the members of ADAPT and they were refused service because, as the restaurant staff told them, “People don’t want to watch you all eat.”
posted by clawsoon at 2:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


IT'S ALL I EVER WANTED
posted by poffin boffin at 2:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


TOO MANY FLIES TOO MANY FLIES
posted by poffin boffin at 2:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?

Works for me!
posted by homunculus at 2:03 PM on July 26, 2016


Paul Feeney is great - real old-school Labor!
posted by kalimac at 2:03 PM on July 26, 2016


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?

I'd follow that kick ass mocha surfing goddess to the ends of the Earth.
posted by Talez at 2:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is not the Bernie people. This is the Trump organization, trying to peel off the votes necessary for the win.

Yeah, no. I know plenty of people, who have long been hardcore idealistic (read: unrealistic) anarchists / socialists / etc. and vehemently opposed to any kind of right-wing ideology, who are on the BoB train. There's no need to posit a conspiracy to explain it.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 2:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I would also accept Booker/Gabbard, I just love them both so much <3
posted by stolyarova at 2:05 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is it hard to believe that a fraction of the supporters of Sanders were just Hillary-Haters who had nobody else to choose from?
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Tom Harkin teaching everyone the ASL for "America"

And here we go with the "Bernie Sanders!" chants


Maybe Harkin could teach them to sign their chants, just for this evening.
 
posted by Herodios at 2:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


You seldom need to pay cranks - instead you find ones who will do it for free.
posted by Francis at 4:56 PM on July 26


I don't think that all Bernie supporters voicing their concerns are cranks and I don't think that's a fair assessment. There are legitimate concerns with Clinton's capability of beating Donald Trump in the general election. Additionally, those Sanders delegates have people they answer to in their home states. They deserve to be vocal and were chosen to support their candidate.

This is part of the Democratic process. Hollering one way or the other may not be pretty, but this is how groups ensure their voices are heard. I would expect Clinton delegates would have done the same if the roles were reversed.

And like it or not, the DNC email leaks are match to kindling and encouraged such behavior. Despite my support for Sanders, I hope last night's speeches helped bring some solidarity.
posted by glaucon at 2:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Because some of us have actually talked to individual human beings who are Bernie-or-Bust and know that just being shitwhistles does not describe them?
posted by beerperson at 2:07 PM on July 26, 2016


Quick question for those of you who braved the RNC: did any of the speakers talk about love as much as the DNC speakers have? Gabbard's speech just reminded me of it, but Booker emphasized it last night too.
posted by yasaman at 2:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


porpoise: Sounds like someone has a crush on you.
Ha! No. He is married to an amazing woman, and they are both poets. Effusiveness is part of the package.
posted by Superplin at 2:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Quick question for those of you who braved the RNC: did any of the speakers talk about love as much as the DNC speakers have?

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA--

Oh, wait, you were serious? Uh, no.
posted by dersins at 2:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


God no "love" didn't appear more than twice in the RNC speeches.
posted by stolyarova at 2:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


twice is generous tbh
posted by stolyarova at 2:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hollering one way or the other may not be pretty, but this is how groups ensure their voices are heard. I would expect Clinton delegates would have done the same if the roles were reversed.

2008 was only eight years ago. You don't have to expect anything, you can remember what happened. And they cheered their asses off for Obama.
posted by Justinian at 2:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


This crowd needs to take a chillary pillary.
posted by Taft at 2:11 PM on July 26, 2016


Quick question for those of you who braved the RNC: did any of the speakers talk about love as much as the DNC speakers have? Gabbard's speech just reminded me of it, but Booker emphasized it last night too.

I believe HRC specifically selected "Love" as the/a theme of her campaign early on.

Who could have suspected then that the RNC would be running agin it?
 
posted by Herodios at 2:12 PM on July 26, 2016


So much less booing today. What a relief!
posted by stolyarova at 2:12 PM on July 26, 2016


SENATOR BARB! She was my senator for the first 27 years of my life. I had the honor of seeing her in action last summer at a full Senate Appropriations committee hearing. The room was PACKED, and she was tiny, and she took no shit and suffered no fools.
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 2:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Barbara Mikulski is a badass.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 2:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I love how much they had to lower the lectern for her.
posted by dersins at 2:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


***update 2*** ran into one of my crunchy granola s'more providing friends today at work; she's on the whambulance and I'm on the ladder. I cornered her and shouted [direct quote] "SUPREME COURT NADER YOU HAVE A DAUGHTER SWING STATE" and she replied..."ok ok; I'm *thinking* about voting Hillary. [my husband] still regrets his Nader moment. It's just hard because I have issues with Hillary I haven't investigated yet." Disclosure: they're about 3ish years older than me, so some mid-30s. Imagine having voted Nader in your first eligible US presidential election; I'd be attempting to redeem myself for the rest of my life.

Also discussed how it would be great for Bill to just get up there and start with the saxophone.

And apparently Firepit Friday has morphed into large lefty gathering Friday and there is a local candidate they want me to meet. So I got that going for me.
posted by sara is disenchanted at 2:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


There's something in my eye.
posted by mrzarquon at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016


♫ This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine ♫
posted by OverlappingElvis at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016


More clever messaging with the signs today. "Do the most good"

It's a message everyone can hold and unify around.


I know people who are all over the idea of Trump doing enough damage so that "real progress can be made". I expect those people to be voting for H.G.Wells War of the World's Artilleryman.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


AW YEAH JOHN LEWIS RAISE SOME HELL
posted by stolyarova at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


JOHN LEWIS IN THE HOUSE MOTHERFUCKERS! YOU GIVE HIM YOUR GOD DAMNED RESPECT!
posted by Talez at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh shit, and now it's John Lewis.

I'm going to be worthless in my 3pm meeting today.
posted by mrzarquon at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016


Mod note: Several comments deleted, "just how bad are sanders supporters" vs "or are they?" is a really unrewarding topic on both sides, stop this.
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


John Lewis. STAND UP.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


If you heckle John Lewis I WILL PUNCH YOU.

(I am trying to explain to my kids who everyone is and failing because every time I speak I start crying, oh my god, me.)
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


He sounds teary. ;_;
posted by stolyarova at 2:16 PM on July 26, 2016


I love that this convention is introducing me to more totally awesome women in politics I should probably already know about but don't know about and now my life is richer for them.
posted by phunniemee at 2:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


One of the greatest privileges I've ever had was to cast a vote for John Lewis.
posted by goHermGO at 2:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Eisner-winner John Lewis!
posted by palindromic at 2:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Mod note: Fixed Michelle Obama speech link
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 2:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm pretty sure that God Almighty will fucking smite anyone who boos John Lewis. But I heard that the Bernie delegates have been read the riot act and they will not be booing people of color tonight.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


"She'll fight for the macro issues - and the macaroni and cheese issues."

Ooooof. That is Vogon poetry-level speech writing.
posted by dry white toast at 2:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I love that this convention is introducing me to more totally awesome women in politics I should probably already know about but don't know about and now my life is richer for them.

Every Democratic woman in the House will be on stage after the Roll Call. It's going to be great.
posted by zachlipton at 2:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"She could have done anything with her life, but she decided long ago that she didn't just want to do well. She wanted to do GOOD." YESSSS!
posted by acidic at 2:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


> I heard that the Bernie delegates have been read the riot act

Who told them? Who are the rowdy ones listening to?
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:18 PM on July 26, 2016


Who told them? Who are the rowdy ones listening to?

Twitter.
posted by dersins at 2:19 PM on July 26, 2016




funny joke gilrain, but here's some actual footage of him practicing for tonight
posted by dismas at 2:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I was born on a dirt floor to a woman whose name I will never know."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Goddammit I'm going to run out of favorites.
posted by sara is disenchanted at 2:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Na’ilah Amaru is the campaign's contest winner, FYI.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


With the mentions of ASL and other disabilities above, I do have to wonder what the accommodations on the floor are like. Are there ASL interpreters? Closed-captioning on the video monitors? Is the venue reasonably wheelchair-accessible?
posted by tobascodagama at 2:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Who told them? Who are the rowdy ones listening to?
What they said was that the New York delegation had a meeting, and they all made a pact that they would not boo anyone talking about civil rights or racial justice issues. They may do "positive" chants like "Bernie, Bernie," which is frankly not a good sign as far as I'm concerned. They said it was just the New York delegation who made the pact, but they thought that similar stuff was going on with other delegations. I think that the Elijah Cummings thing did not go over well.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


AHHHHH THIS IS IT THE ROLL CALL
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:23 PM on July 26, 2016


THIS IS WHEN IT HAPPENS
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:23 PM on July 26, 2016


THIS IS WHEN WE GET A WOMAN AS THE NOMINEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Amaru is excellent.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


More madness coming out.
posted by Talez at 2:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Are there ASL interpreters?

When the camera pulls back, you can see the ASL interpreter for at least some of the speeches. I have admittedly been listening more than watching, so I don't know if the interpreter is there all the time.
posted by yasaman at 2:25 PM on July 26, 2016


wait is this not the convention for Deez Nutz
posted by beerperson at 2:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I assume there will be a message in my inbox soon regarding a new limited edition HISTORY IS MADE button/magnet set with today's date.
posted by palindromic at 2:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"to rumble"
posted by mrzarquon at 2:25 PM on July 26, 2016


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?

Unfortunately she's anti-choice, sooooo, yeah, not for me.
posted by Anonymous at 2:26 PM on July 26, 2016


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?

Given her more conservative past, I doubt it.
posted by NoxAeternum at 2:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Don't you have one more?" lol
posted by thefoxgod at 2:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Virtually in the room where it happens. I feel like an interloping Aaron Burr (sir).
posted by Superplin at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Poor Alabama: "Don't y'all have one more?"
posted by palindromic at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


More madness coming out.

Wow, if there was ever a [citation needed] it is here.
posted by Anonymous at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016


"Don't y'all have one more? I'll count it as an abstention"

THE FIX IS IN GUYS.
posted by acidic at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is gonna take foreeeeeeveeeeeeeeer
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


With the mentions of ASL and other disabilities above, I do have to wonder what the accommodations on the floor are like. Are there ASL interpreters? Closed-captioning on the video monitors? Is the venue reasonably wheelchair-accessible?

I'm glad you asked. I happened to notice this press release the convention put out last week: 2016 Democratic National Convention Announces Plans to Make this the Most Accessible Convention Ever

In short, you name it, it looks like they've considered it. I'd be curious to hear reports from delegates about how it's all worked out in practice, because it's never perfect, but it seems like they're saying the right things.
posted by zachlipton at 2:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Someone should tell the crowd that cheering for receding glaciers doesn't look great on TV.
posted by OverlappingElvis at 2:28 PM on July 26, 2016


Classy, Alaska. That's how you do it.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Nooooo I'm stuck in the waiting room of a car dealership waiting for repairs to be done and I'm missing everything! Please continue to be awesome and post about what's happening.
posted by Salieri at 2:28 PM on July 26, 2016


American Samoa ought to be a state.
posted by cooker girl at 2:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


FASHION NEWS I was tickled to read that Michelle's blue dress that she wore last night was designed by Christian Siriano. I was a big Project Runway Fan back when it was on Bravo.

Also I haaaate that I cannot watch for 6 hours straight AND read every single one of your comments AND every single link. I try, I really try. I've been reading this thread off and on for several hours and only just caught up.

Anyhoo. On with the show. Alaska is voting for the "Inspiring Bernie Sanders."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


wait is this not the convention for Deez Nutz

Some of deez. Some of doze. Plenty of nuts to go around.
posted by rokusan at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Alabama and Alaska and I'm already teary.
posted by psoas at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016


Unfortunately she's anti-choice, sooooo, yeah, not for me.

Quick Google search suggests she calls herself pro-choice, is endorsed by Emily's List, and sponsored the Women's Health Protection Act.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016


"If you'd give us more [votes] we'd cast them, too" - American Samoa
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


This is gonna take foreeeeeeveeeeeeeeer

Yeah but it's really sweet. When else do we get to hear from America Samoa?
posted by zachlipton at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"AND IF YOU GIVE US MORE, WE'LL CAST THOSE TOO" <3 <3 <3
posted by acidic at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Someone on my Twitter feed, who I'd call a progressive, said he doesn't trust Hillary (but will still vote for her because Trump). This got me thinking about what we mean when we talk about trusting politicians.

Is it about not trusting Hillary to use good judgement based on things like her Iraq vote? Is it not believing she is going to fulfill her campaign promises? Is it feeling like she will only use the Presidency to her benefit? If that's the case why would you trust any politician ever?

By the same token, think about Trump in the context of trust. I don't trust him to make the lives of Americans better, but I also think I can trust that he is exactly the racist, misogynist demagogue he purports to be.

So I don't know that trust is a thing in the democratic process. Maybe having faith in a politician is a better approach?
posted by dry white toast at 2:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


My state is up! We are finally a swing state. And there's a 102-year-old woman there calling the nomination, wow. Crying now.
posted by Superplin at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is gonna take foreeeeeeveeeeeeeeer

This always takes forever. Every state has to give the most flowery tourism promotion speech ever, as it was in the beginning when the Democratic-Republicans first met and Virginia went on FOREVER.
posted by dw at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016


Go Gerry! 102!
posted by chapps at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


oh fuck yeah arizona lady
posted by dersins at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


No way you can boo a 102 year old woman cheering on the first woman president.
posted by palindromic at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


A 102-year-old woman voting for Hillary Clinton, how am I supposed to type through these tears?
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [50 favorites]


That Arizona Lady for Grandma of the World 2016
posted by penduluum at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh god, Arizona just made me cry.
posted by meese at 2:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


that old lady casting Arizona's votes for Clinton just made my day
posted by subtle_squid at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


If the roll call took 15 hours it would still be worth it just to watch that 102 year old woman from Arizona cast her states votes for Clinton. She looks like she's been waiting a damn long time for this.
posted by zachlipton at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


I see I'm gonna cry my way through this. Just so much joy and so many diverse faces.
posted by yasaman at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


omg, that 102 year old lady casting for Hillary - it's only 5:30, I am going to be depleted of tears tonight.
posted by madamjujujive at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


American Samoa ought to be a state.

Yeah, but then people from Alabama would want to be called American Alabama.
posted by dry white toast at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Just started sobbing at the 102-year-old woman. Women didn't have the vote when she was born, and here she is announcing the votes for Hillary....
posted by kalimac at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [42 favorites]


When she was born, women couldn't vote. Now there will be a woman President.
posted by cooker girl at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Holy shit I think I'm gonna cry?
posted by schadenfrau at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


wait is this not the convention for Deez Nutz

'Deez Nuts' does not know what happened to America
posted by homunculus at 2:31 PM on July 26, 2016


will wait until the second half of the alphabet to start drinking, because this isn't a sprint, it's a marathon
posted by palindromic at 2:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


OH GOD MY FEELS
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:32 PM on July 26, 2016


Yeah, Jerry!
posted by sideshow at 2:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The audio feed on Twitch clearly picked up the Arizona woman getting kissed on the cheek after she delivered her votes.

That's crowd noise I can get behind.
posted by rewil at 2:32 PM on July 26, 2016


Shit, is that Gray Davis?
posted by sideshow at 2:33 PM on July 26, 2016


Wait, is Jeffrey Tambor playing Jerry Brown?
posted by dw at 2:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I really thought the CA delegate was going to say "CALIFORNIA KNOWS HOW TO PARTY!"
posted by nakedmolerats at 2:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh hey, Jerry Brown, my governor! And Nancy Pelosi! And Kamala Harris! My state is doing okay.
posted by yasaman at 2:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why no state beginning with the letter B?
posted by Devonian at 2:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


cooker girl: When she was born, women couldn't vote. Now there will be a woman President.

This is my adopted state, where I live in a liberal bubble of academics and artists, in a city with a Democratic mayor and the first openly bisexual congresswoman, but I can never forget that we are a red state. I am genuinely moved and, yes, doing the full-blown ugly cry of happiness for my state for the first time in the eight years I've lived here.
posted by Superplin at 2:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh, RNC, THIS is how you do it. With every vote counted. With every candidate respected. With every state and territory speaking. This is more inspiring than anything I can say.
posted by bearwife at 2:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Shit, is that Gray Davis?

No, we recalled him because car registration fees were too high or something.
posted by zachlipton at 2:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


The states absolutely cannot hear the speaker once the cheers begin with their name being called, which is both kind of adorable and pretty annoying. There's a lot of I'm-on-a-cellphone-and-you're-on-a-land-line-style overtalking.
posted by penduluum at 2:35 PM on July 26, 2016


I like the "here's some neat stuff about our state" intros.
posted by EatTheWeek at 2:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Also I think I'm still in favorites debtor's prison, so just everyone consider yourself enthusiastically favorited

WE ARE GONNA HAVE A LADY NOMINEE

HOLY FUCKING SHIT
posted by schadenfrau at 2:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wait, is Jeffrey Tambor playing Jerry Brown?

Shit, you've discovered his double life!
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Connecticut Pizza, Represent!
posted by mrzarquon at 2:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why no state beginning with the letter B?

BENNSYLVANIA WOULD LIKE A WORD
posted by beerperson at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


One guy in CT has scribbled over his "Do the most good" sign to make it read "do the least harm." I'll take it.
posted by zachlipton at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Telling my husband about the AZ delegate and weeping openly here. I'm not even watching! I'm just reading along with you fine folks!
posted by merriment at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016


Who's the douchebro with the "do the least harm" sign?
posted by dersins at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I love the cavalcade of regional accents. It's like the Miss Universe National Costumes, but for the voice!
posted by palindromic at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"and more importantly the home of the pizza and the hamburger"

I love you Connecticut

I love you Connecticut pizza
posted by pemberkins at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


No, we recalled him because car registration fees were too high or something.

No, behind Pelosi. That was definitely Former Governor Gray Davis.
posted by sideshow at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016


as it was in the beginning... When Virginia went on FOREVER.

If ever a speech should start with Daveed Diggs singing What'd I Miss?...
posted by rokusan at 2:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Holy shit why do these speakers keep jumping the gun, wait for her to ask how you cast your votes before you start talking
posted by DynamiteToast at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"tax free shopping"
posted by mrzarquon at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016


Delaware: "Home to tax-free shopping."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016


Delaware had to slip "tax-free shopping" in there, didn't they?
posted by dw at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016


Tax-free shopping? Hi, I'm in Delaware.
posted by palindromic at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Kevlar, and nylon, and Gortex? Respect.
posted by beau jackson at 2:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy shit why do these speakers keep jumping the gun

They're not trained public speakers and they're amped up.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


omg this list of Delaware accomplishments is TOO precious. The home of tax-free shopping! of Kevlar! of Elena Delle Donne!
posted by acidic at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016


It's the day after, slightly less tasteless- a pop cultural musical send-off (unintentionally well-synched!) for the Sanders candidacy.
posted by Apocryphon at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Hahaha wait who gets to represent the Democrats abroad? Like do they fly back?
posted by schadenfrau at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Democrats abroad. Love you guys. So glad they're here.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Democrats abroad - shoutout to taz ;-)
posted by madamjujujive at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Democrats Abroad, how do you cast your votes?"

Distantly?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Holy shit why do these speakers keep jumping the gun, wait for her to ask how you cast your votes before you start talking

Nerves, plus I bet it's tough to hear in there.
posted by EatTheWeek at 2:39 PM on July 26, 2016


I love that they are not pros
posted by Tarumba at 2:39 PM on July 26, 2016


Aw, Bernie's brother. So sweet.
posted by cooker girl at 2:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Sanders's brother is making me cry. ;_;
posted by stolyarova at 2:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Holy moley, Sanders' brother sounds just like him.
posted by waitingtoderail at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Larry Sanders, Bernie Sanders' brother, looks juuuuuust enough like Garry Shandling that I'm minorly freaking out.
posted by penduluum at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Awww, Larry Sanders.
posted by joedan at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just desperately want Beyoncé to have a surprise performance of Formation by the end of the week. Is that too much to ask?
posted by Andrhia at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Yay Larry Sanders! Big virtual hug from a fellow member of the tribe.
posted by bearwife at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016


Is this guy the real Larry Sanders?
posted by ricochet biscuit at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016


Aww, Bernie's brother is super emotional
posted by kalimac at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016


Why no state beginning with the letter B?

Obvious conspiracy to marginalize voters in Balabama and Bidaho?
posted by rokusan at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The 102 year old whose voice enthusiastically cracked made me shed a tear.
posted by AlexiaSky at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


No, behind Pelosi. That was definitely Former Governor Gray Davis.

Wow yeah. It was.
posted by zachlipton at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016


Ok, best Bernie Bro of them all. How it's done, brothers.
posted by chapps at 2:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


I just tuned in and I'm crying again already.
posted by biogeo at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Haha the way she said "DISTRICT... DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA" made me feel like I was watching the Hunger Games and she was about to say "DISTRICT TEN!" or something.
posted by stolyarova at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Tuned in just in time to see Bernie's brother cast his vote. How can I be teary already? I am not sufficiently hydrated for this.
posted by vverse23 at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Brother love between the Sanders lads oh god now I'm crying
posted by EatTheWeek at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I know me too I'm crying already shit
posted by Tarumba at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016


I love how everyone hugs and reassures their fellow state members who speak - so nice!
posted by madamjujujive at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


DC Statehood movement. Fuck Yeah.
posted by mrzarquon at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Tearing up at Larry Sanders' emotional tribute to their parents.

and next up, DC STATEHOOD WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


See, I told you that Bernie Bros weren't a myth!
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


Larry Sanders, Bernie Sanders' brother, looks juuuuuust enough like Garry Shandling that I'm minorly freaking out.

Oh good it's not just me.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Larry Sanders, Bernie Sanders' brother, looks juuuuuust enough like Garry Shandling that I'm minorly freaking out.

Wait, wasn't Garry Shandling's big role as Larry Sanders? What the hell is going on there?
posted by clawsoon at 2:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


(I guess that's actually Bernie Bro, singular. Does Bernie have any other brothers?)
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:42 PM on July 26, 2016


I thought Sanders got 73 votes in Florida?
posted by Talez at 2:43 PM on July 26, 2016


Wait, wasn't Garry Shandling's big role as Larry Sanders? What the hell is going on there?

It's Garry Shandling's universe, we're just living in it
posted by beerperson at 2:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


It's Larry Sanders' show, how do you like it so far?
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Every time I hear "first female president," I get verklempt.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




YEAH JOHN LEWIS
posted by biogeo at 2:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


AWWW YEAH JOHN LEWIS IS BACK
posted by stolyarova at 2:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Mom and baby!
posted by Tarumba at 2:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


That baby has no gravitas.
posted by palindromic at 2:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'm irritated to see the buffering symbol on the official livestream. I'm charmed that it subtly evokes the Obama symbol. Real progress takes time and patience, nice reminder.
posted by EatTheWeek at 2:45 PM on July 26, 2016


You know, they might make Georgia blue this year. Trump is up by ONE point there, after his convention "bump."
posted by bearwife at 2:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Guam brought musical accompaniment!
posted by zachlipton at 2:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


John Lewis speaking. I am teary and it is not even my country.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 2:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Why is the one white person speaking for Guam?
posted by stolyarova at 2:45 PM on July 26, 2016


Guam got shirts! They're coordinated like an Olympic delegation. It's a good look.
posted by penduluum at 2:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


God, I love John Lewis. I know, I know, but it can't be said enough.
posted by skybluepink at 2:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Full self-determination? Guamxit?
posted by snofoam at 2:46 PM on July 26, 2016


Who knew democracy would make me so weepy.
posted by dry white toast at 2:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


EIGHT THOUSAND MILES! NINE TIME ZONES! TWELVE VOTES!
posted by psoas at 2:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I still want to know what happened to the missing Alabama vote. Have they tried looking for it on the floor? Maybe the guy vacuuming earlier picked it up by mistake.
posted by zachlipton at 2:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Brian Schatz was my state district rep before he became a State Senator. I dig him.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:47 PM on July 26, 2016


(I wish they'd let the Hawaiian woman give the vote count though, though)
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:48 PM on July 26, 2016


MSNBC showed John Lewis in the audience several times during the First Lady's speech last night. :)
posted by zarq at 2:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Glad that the crowd seems a lot more positive today than yesterday.
posted by joedan at 2:48 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is the one white person speaking for Guam?

How does the delegation choose who speaks?
posted by chapps at 2:48 PM on July 26, 2016


I love how dorky all these people are.
posted by phunniemee at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


OMG I want one of those Idaho VOTE hats LIKE DAMNNNNN
posted by penduluum at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


There is a bearded hipster from Idaho gleefully smiling at the camera. Man I love these people.
posted by Tarumba at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016


Idaho: "The longest undammed river in the United States."

Idaho Notdam.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Can someone assure me that this is all just a formality and that Hillary will clinch it? Every time I tune into the live stream the current state is giving Bernie a majority of their votes.
posted by like_neon at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is the one white person speaking for Guam?

Pretty sure that's Del. Madeleine Bordallo, Guam's non-voting Delegate to the House of Reps, their former Lt Governor and First Lady. She's also the highest ranking Democratic politician in Guam (the Gov and Lt Gov are Republican).
posted by tittergrrl at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Iowa least dorky so far!
posted by Tarumba at 2:49 PM on July 26, 2016


This is so joyous. I can't stop smiling. I love when they pass the mic around, especially. I also love the weird things each delegation highlights. Idaho has America's deepest gorge! That's awesome! Way to go, Idaho!
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


When I hear 'Bern-ers', my mind automatically pictures Burners. (link possibly nsfw due to bodypainted lady bodies)
posted by palindromic at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016


like_neon, take a breath, we'll be cool.
posted by biogeo at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh Betsy, I love you.
posted by mochapickle at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh wait
posted by Tarumba at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016


like_neon it's 1000 to 599. It's ok
posted by schadenfrau at 2:50 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is the one white person speaking for Guam?

That's Madeline Bordallo, their congresswoman. Guess the people of Guam aren't as progressive as you'd like them to be.
posted by sideshow at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The roll call: It's our parade of nations.
posted by dw at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can someone assure me that this is all just a formality and that Hillary will clinch it? Every time I tune into the live stream the current state is giving Bernie a majority of their votes.

This is just a formality; Hillary will cinch it. She's always had more delegates.
posted by penduluum at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


When I hear 'Bern-ers', my mind automatically pictures Burners.

I'd be interested in a sociological study comparing for overlap, TBH.
posted by Andrhia at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh, Hillary's friend. I'm all teary now.
posted by skybluepink at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Indiana wrote a poem!
posted by schadenfrau at 2:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Just now turned on the convention to see the Illinois delegation - very nice friendly collegiality as they cast their votes for Sanders and Clinton. :)
posted by Guy Smiley at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is just a formality, and also everyone is being positive and cooperative and great. So far no ugliness.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I like those "Pence, you're fired!" signs.
posted by biogeo at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Also, based on how Alabama's vote was questioned, the official vote paperwork has already been turned in. This is the dog and pony show part of it.
posted by sideshow at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016


Nice fuck you to Pence from the Indiana delegation: "Pence, you're fired!"
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'm in northern NV and that's also all I hear when they say "Berners." Plenty of overlap, I'm sure.
posted by stolyarova at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016


Can someone assure me that this is all just a formality and that Hillary will clinch it? Every time I tune into the live stream the current state is giving Bernie a majority of their votes.

They know what they're doing and wouldn't be doing this unless they were damn sure it was going to happen. Sanders won majorities in a lot of smaller states, but lost in a number of larger states, so there are more states that Sanders won, but more total delegates for Clinton.
posted by zachlipton at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Now that is great doggerel! And I love the idea of telling Trump and Pence they are fired!
posted by bearwife at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016


the guy can talk about income bracket donut holes in the most down home way

Also actual donut holes.
posted by kirkaracha at 2:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nice delivery, Indiana!
posted by rewil at 2:53 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm so embarrassed to be nervous. I found a link I can use as my comfort blanket.
posted by like_neon at 2:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


ILLINOIS: Ok yes. I'm crying now. Are you happy? Hearing Hillary's friend close to tears made me close to tears. I wish Hillary's parents could have seen this.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


palindromic, there isn't a SMALL overlap....
posted by flaterik at 2:53 PM on July 26, 2016


Woo! First state U to admit women! Go Hawks!
posted by dirigibleman at 2:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Also, the dorky glory of the roll call is like the moment when my expat ass goes all hopelessly homesick.
posted by skybluepink at 2:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


No Jennsylvania, either, huh?
posted by dry white toast at 2:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


TIL that Kansas is the Sunflower State. That or this woman is wearing a giant sunflower for absolutely no reason.
posted by zachlipton at 2:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


IOWA: Ok does nobody else feel there is something a little weird about one woman and two men telling us about a First Woman to cross a barrier?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:56 PM on July 26, 2016


Kansas ☺

They brought flowers
posted by Tarumba at 2:56 PM on July 26, 2016


ProTip for the Kansas delegation: If "President Obama's mom was born here" is one of your claims to fame, get her maiden name right.
posted by tonycpsu at 2:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


So many women--so many black women, native women, old women and young women, and mothers--I didn't realize how much this would matter to me until I started watching them.
posted by meese at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


These assholes putting Bernie signs between these Indiana delegates and the camera need to sit the hell down.
posted by EatTheWeek at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


No Jennsylvania, either, huh?

If America was a Duggar, there'd be Jeorgia, sister of Jinger.
posted by palindromic at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Kansas is indeed the Sunflower State
posted by zarq at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016


Sunflowers and Jayhawks. Checks out.
posted by rewil at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016


That's heartwarming but I still can't stand the Jayhawks.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Kentucky bragging about whiskey. Love love love.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh, Louisiana's delegation looks fun.
posted by palindromic at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


That lady with the hat on is really excited.
posted by Annika Cicada at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Damnit, I'll be in an meeting when Hillary clinches. :(
posted by dw at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


"Louisiana knows that love Trumps hate."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't think Mardi Gras ever ends for that Louisiana delegate in the hat.
posted by zombieflanders at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I love you, Louisiana delegates.
posted by The corpse in the library at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


I really need to get back to visit Louisiana.
posted by mochapickle at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Awesome post title. Someone wanna open up a window?
posted by rouftop at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


I want to party with Louisiana.
posted by bearwife at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


Thank you, Kentucky, for helping us get through the RNC
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


That's heartwarming but I still can't stand the Jayhawks.

That's fine; the correct choice is Wildcats anyways.
posted by pwnguin at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


Aw Louisiana I define you by your cuisine, don't worry!
posted by Tarumba at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016


I absolutely love the LA lady in the hat. She looks like a trip!
posted by sara is disenchanted at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Kentucky bragging about whiskey. Love love love.

Don't forget the Derby! Horses and Bourbon and bluegrass.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This lady on the right is doing that thing where you're trying to sing along to a song on your car radio but you don't really know all the words so you're just kinda moving your lips in rhythm to the syllables
posted by penduluum at 3:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


What the hell was that guy from Indiana trying to get on camera? It was some kind of animal puppet? With yarn hair?
posted by cooker girl at 3:00 PM on July 26, 2016


Woot my home state of Louisiana taking it to 11!
posted by antinomia at 3:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Maine, home of Stephen King!
posted by lovecrafty at 3:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ok does nobody else feel there is something a little weird about one woman and two men telling us about a First Woman to cross a barrier?

As much as the RNC tried to condition me to expect the two men to be spitting on the floor, no. No I don't.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016


I am really charmed by how many speakers are calling her not just Hillary Clinton but Hillary Rodham Clinton.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


MURLIN IN THE HOUSE
posted by zombieflanders at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Maine: "Home of Stephen King."

Let's check in on him, shall we?

Stephen King: "One difference between Nixon and Trump: when the Republicans nominated Nixon, they didn't actually KNOW he was a crook."

Oooh, snap!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [53 favorites]


Woah, Madame Chairlady got excited for Maryland.
posted by biogeo at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


You know, I was just reflecting on the fact that the roll call of states is something we get to see only once every four years, and as time passes I find that I enjoy it more and more. I even enjoyed watching it last week at the RNC. People are so joyful and have such pride of place and many of them clearly have been slogging out the primaries, side by side, for months. Makes me want to chuck everything for the rest of the summer, load the family into the minivan and take a road trip.
posted by vverse23 at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Geography shoutout!
posted by dry white toast at 3:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm reminded of watching the BBC coverage of the last UK General Election. Over there, they cut to a camera in the town hall of the local councils where all the candidates, even the fringe ones, stand on stage wearing their party-colored rosettes while the election official, wearing some sort of official looking badge around their neck, reads off the results and everyone gets to cheer for their local area. It's nice to put faces and voices to far-flung places instead of just numbers. It feels like democracy.
posted by zachlipton at 3:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh Louisiana: no natural disaster will define us.
posted by AlexiaSky at 3:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


What's the "clinch"/"over the top" number needed here? It's time for me to go home from work but I can stay here and watch a little longer if we're close...
posted by dnash at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016


Woah, Madame Chairlady got excited for Maryland.

She is the mayor of Baltimore.
posted by palindromic at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Massachusetts: Shoutout to the OG Tea Party.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Woah, Madame Chairlady got excited for Maryland.

She's the mayor of Balmur Baltimore.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016


What the hell was that guy from Indiana trying to get on camera? It was some kind of animal puppet? With yarn hair?

It looked like Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog.
posted by miguelcervantes at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The differences in the dialects across the country are wonderful to hear.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Massachusetts speaker just got a little hug/back rub from the lady standing next to him. I wonder if he was a bit nervous?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


MICHIGAN, wooo! Debbie Stabenow in the house!
posted by palindromic at 3:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


> What's the "clinch"/"over the top" number needed here

2,383
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:05 PM on July 26, 2016


The clinch number is 2383
posted by cmfletcher at 3:05 PM on July 26, 2016


roll calls are always better with puppets, preferably robot puppets
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Minna-soda!
posted by Talez at 3:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


PRINCE. *sobs*
posted by mynameisluka at 3:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


MN is "the state of Prince's Purple Rain!"
posted by zachlipton at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Fuck yeah, Amy Klobuchar with the Prince shout-out.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yay, there's Michigan, time for my accent! Also, hello to my parents' Representative, who is standing right there. (and whose office helped me sort out my passport mess)
posted by skybluepink at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Aw yeah Prince callout!
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


MN rocking the purple.

Bless.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Pre-Minnesota tally is 1415-893.
posted by Talez at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016


This is the first time I've taken the time to watch the roll call during an American election. Even as a Canadian I know that it's an historic moment and I hell yeah I'm watching it live.

I'm enjoying way more then I thought I would. All the different people! The smiles! The different accents! It's great.
posted by Jalliah at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Minnesota Hooome of Purple Rain!
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016


Ferraro shoutout!
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Stuck at work and can't watch the roll call, which is one of my favorite parts of these conventions, so thank you so much for all your descriptive comments, guys. I am getting teary eyed just reading them. Love you, oh wacky country of mine, in all your e pluribus glory.
posted by longdaysjourney at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Well, I will say this -- Bernie Sanders is really going to bat in trying to quell the booing busters from what NPR is reporting.
posted by y2karl at 3:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Amy Klobuchar momentarily bopping her head on Keith Ellison's shoulder :3
posted by Guy Smiley at 3:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Where was Michigan's tourism pitch, Stabenow? Come on - at least the Motown Museum, where even Beyonce visited!
posted by palindromic at 3:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]




FYI, I'm currently watching this CSPAN feed which has vote counts visible. The official DNC YouTube does not show the vote counts.
posted by dnash at 3:07 PM on July 26, 2016


That's fine; the correct choice is Wildcats anyways.

For morons, sure.
posted by nom de poop at 3:07 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm sorry I missed this - what state is going to put her over the top? New York, I'd assume?
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm trying to watch the live stream on YouTube but it's not showing anything, so I guess I missed the roll call? Oh never mind, it started at the beginning. Doh
posted by teponaztli at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016


Mississippi Home of the blues, B.B.King, and Elvis Presley. Nuff said.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Mississippi started a little nervous <3
posted by Tarumba at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016


So glad that someone acknowledged Fannie Lou Hamer.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Pre-Minnesota tally is 1415-893.

I would've plotzed if that first number had been one less!
posted by Celsius1414 at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fannie Lou Hamer shout-out, hooray!
posted by skybluepink at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


WOLVERINES
posted by beerperson at 3:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Teponaztli I am watching the YouTube streamed version, no problems
posted by Tarumba at 3:09 PM on July 26, 2016


Try https://www.demconvention.com/live/ to live stream.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:09 PM on July 26, 2016


Are you watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fw7XiCJL4M teponaztli? Because its working for me.
posted by thefoxgod at 3:09 PM on July 26, 2016


ಠ_ಠ <-guy in the background
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:09 PM on July 26, 2016


Since we're talking about watching how different countries vote and do democracy around the world, this just happened: Monkeys in Thailand Are Not Very Happy About an Election. Also: "Two 8-year-old girls in the northern province of Kamphaeng Phet were charged last week with obstructing the referendum process and destroying public property when they tore down voter lists because they liked the pink paper on which they were printed" (they will not face any punishment).
posted by zachlipton at 3:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


teponaztli, it's going to be running all night, and has been working fine for me. Try refreshing, or clicking on the "live now" icon again.
posted by Lyn Never at 3:10 PM on July 26, 2016


Roll Call still going on. Missouri just cast their votes.

MONTANA: Home of the only farmer in the US Senate.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This link is working great, no interruptions for interviews or commercials.
posted by bearwife at 3:11 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm on the non 360 you tube linked eariler, I think it's a tiny delay but loading just fine.
posted by AlexiaSky at 3:11 PM on July 26, 2016


This guy from Nebraska sounds about as exciting as it is to drive through.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh never mind, it started at the beginning.

Click on the "⚫ LIVE" icon in the player to skip to the live part (the circle is red if you're watching the live stream).
posted by effbot at 3:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 3:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Rawlings-Blake: Ne-... Ne-VAH-da. I think she's a Veep watcher.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


is the rumor i heard that bernie might give it over to hillary at new york's vote true?
posted by pyramid termite at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nevada getting the capital city right. Love it.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


One guy in the background of the NV delegation desperately trying to hold up a handwritten sign that says "RIGGED"
posted by zachlipton at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016


I need to go start dinner but I am waiting for NC. Soon, very soon.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016


Mod note: Several comments deleted; folks, flag stuff and don't respond.
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Go Nevada! Way to point out where the state capital REALLY is to your clueless RNC counterpart.
posted by bearwife at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm surprised Nevada is so hot with all that shade they're throwing.
posted by miguelcervantes at 3:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


New Hampshire: "Home of the city of Unity where Hillary Clinton endorsed Barack Obama in 2008."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?

Not unless Ben Nighthorse Campbell is from an alternate universe.
posted by suelac at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Haha, Nevada, whose capital is actually Carson City...
posted by lovecrafty at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This makes me want to go on a USA road trip and meet all the happy and excited people in all of these places.
posted by Jalliah at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


New Hampshire casts votes 16/16 for Sanders/Clinton.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016


"Nevada (whose capital city is actually Carson City)." Sounds like some back story there.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016


is the rumor i heard that bernie might give it over to hillary at new york's vote true?

I believe the plan is to do that at Vermont.
posted by bearwife at 3:14 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?

That was my question too.
posted by chapps at 3:15 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?

I think is was the first woman Native American.
posted by Jalliah at 3:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Nevada (whose capital city is actually Carson City)." Sounds like some back story there.

The Republicans from Nevada got their own capital city wrong.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 3:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?

First FEMALE Native American, I believe.
posted by miguelcervantes at 3:15 PM on July 26, 2016


First Native American woman I think.
posted by pemberkins at 3:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress? Did I hear that right?

I believe he said "Native American woman"
posted by Copronymus at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016


well, vermont would make sense, yeah
posted by pyramid termite at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016


Sounds like some back story there

Yup
.
posted by bearwife at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


That's somewhat better but still a WTF.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit, we're just now MAYBE sending the first Native American to congress?

First Native American woman, I believe they said.
posted by dersins at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016


Ok, looked at wikipedia re Native American representatives. Its not none.
posted by chapps at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016


In general and this is something I love doing even when just watching the news, I get an insane amount of joy from seeing people in the background dorkily waving at the camera and staring themselves in the nearest monitor with a huge smile, it just makes me feel like deep down we're all just children.
posted by Tarumba at 3:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


No Native American women though.
posted by chapps at 3:17 PM on July 26, 2016


"Nevada (whose capital city is actually Carson City)." Sounds like some back story there.

The Republicans from Nevada got their own capital city wrong.


Ah. I did not watch the RNC.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 3:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


New Mexico for science!
posted by biogeo at 3:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This makes me want to go on a USA road trip and meet all the happy and excited people in all of these places.

Come on down! Call some meetups and you'll meet, well, mefites, who are sometimes happy and excited and sometimes ornery and cantankerous, but always good for a meetup.
posted by zachlipton at 3:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


AND BREAKING BAD! THE SHOW!
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Breaking Bad shoutout!
posted by PenDevil at 3:18 PM on July 26, 2016


Bragging about Breaking Bad. That is a hell of a one-up on everyone else.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:18 PM on July 26, 2016


Denise Juneau is the woman in question -- also the state's first openly lesbian Congressional candidate.
posted by rewil at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


and sometimes ornery and cantankerous,

Dude, I'm right here, and I've only been to one meetup.
posted by bongo_x at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Cuomo offering the DNC's first truly punchable face.,
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016


YAY I FINALLY CAUGHT BACK UP.

Philly is so nuts. I live in South Philly, where you maybe see fifteen people all the way on your walk to Center, and having it so overstuffed with marchers has been surreal.

(Given the title of this thread, I regret that I have no milk steak to munch on as I watch this tonight.)
posted by rorgy at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016


Isn't New Mexico bragging about Breaking Bad kind of like Maryland bragging about The Wire? Good show, sure, but not exactly an endorsement for your state?
posted by Justinian at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I got it working, thanks everyone! I'm sorry I missed my home state, but I'm happy to see at least part of this. What cool people in this country!
posted by teponaztli at 3:19 PM on July 26, 2016


New Mexico: shout outs to our native tribes, the labs, red and green chile, and Breaking Bad. I would expect nothing less.
posted by joedan at 3:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Breaking Bad shoutout!

It was also an organized labour shoutout since they worked in IATSE!

Dangit...gotta go be somewhere I can't stream this. Enjoy!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 3:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


So what would happen if these speakers just spoke in a normal tone of voice? You think they would get heard? They sure are pumped up. I feel like I watching THUNDERBAAAAALLL

NEW YORK: The birthplace of women's rights at Seneca Falls. Paid family leave. and a proud supporter of Puerto Rico.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


My home state, Colorado, was a total womp-womp, so I am adopting New Mexico or Louisiana for tonight!
posted by mochapickle at 3:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It looks like New York is actually casting its votes now, so I guess they're not doing the "pass for now and come back to let New York put her over the total."
posted by dnash at 3:21 PM on July 26, 2016


(though points to Cuomo for thinking on his feet and applauding Sanders for his call for party unity)
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


God, I need this, after all the horror and anxiety around this election.
posted by skybluepink at 3:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


NC rednecks gettin loud
posted by sara is disenchanted at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Also North Carolina and the lady with the pink hat!
posted by mochapickle at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


could we get a few more camera phones in there pls I can still see some of their faces
posted by phunniemee at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh the phones I can't see her face!
posted by Jalliah at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016


Hehe North Carolina with lady on her Sunday best! Pink hat.
posted by Tarumba at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yes, North Carolina - REPEAL HB2!
posted by palindromic at 3:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It looks like New York is actually casting its votes now, so I guess they're not doing the "pass for now and come back to let New York put her over the total."
They were apparently trying to have Vermont put her over so that Bernie could do it personally, but no word on whether that's actually going to happen.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:23 PM on July 26, 2016


All these iphones hahahaha. There's needs to be a "recording a show mode" where the screen goes dark.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:23 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh man, all the accents. This is such an awesome country.
posted by teponaztli at 3:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Perfect is the enemy of the good...liberals can't have nice things because we're too nitpicky etc. etc. blah, blah, blah, yes. BUT... this line from Elizabeth Warren made a screech like a scratched record combined with nails on a chalkboard to me...

" Christians against Muslims and Jews, straight against gay, everyone against immigrants."

Doesn't anyone else see it? Apparently, immigrants aren't included in "everyone." Isn't the complementary group to immigrants "native-born Americans?" WTF? It's so weird. Why would she say that?

And yes...the perfect is the enemy of the good...liberals can't have nice things because we're too nitpicky etc. etc. blah, blah, blah, yes. But WTF?
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 3:23 PM on July 26, 2016


Yay North Carolina Barbeque!
posted by bibliowench at 3:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


NORTH CAROLINA: Woot! Let's do this, Tar Heels. a lot of WHOOOOing.

The Great State of North Carolina known for great basketball and delicious barBQ. Great University system. And Roy Cooper will be the next governor and maybe we can get rid of that stinking bathroom bill.
48 for B.S. and 7O votes for Hillary Clinton.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yay Mariana Islands!
posted by schadenfrau at 3:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow cool, the Northern Mariana Islands! Had no idea!!!!!
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Can we start a pool on how long Bill's speech is gonna be?

No way Bill will allow Trump's 77 minute soliloquy be the longest of either convention. He'll find that downright disrespectful, and will feel the need to make that point.

I'm going to go with 92 minutes. And not a single R will be spoken.
posted by toxic at 3:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Yay flower crowns! Though they make me think of Hannibal more than anything.
posted by rewil at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Good job by the production staff to change the camera to crop out the jagoff with the Bernie or Bust sign.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016


penguin, it's shorthand for what we all know it means. I think you're overthinking.
posted by argybarg at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I am hoping someone shows up with a phone streaming the live YouTube coverage so we can see it repeating tinier and tinier.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


As an immigrant I am absolutely not offended by what Warren said. It seems as you said pretty nitpicky.
posted by Tarumba at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is Bernie a Vermont delegate? Can you be your own delegate?
posted by zennie at 3:25 PM on July 26, 2016


Jim Obergefell with Ohio!!
posted by dnash at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


Love the bow tie.
posted by joedan at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Weeh Ohio, first person with an inside voice
posted by Tarumba at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016


Jim Obergefell!
posted by zombieflanders at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Holy shit Ohio got Jim Obergefell to speak.
posted by Talez at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


HOLY SHIT. Obergefell!!?
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bernie is a Vermont superdelegate because he is a US Senator.
posted by zachlipton at 3:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


As a Michigander I am sworn to hate all Ohio things, but they got me, they got me good with Jim Obergefell.
posted by palindromic at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


The O in Ohio.

 
posted by Herodios at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016


As a native (who hasn't lived in the state for almost fifteen years), I'm still proud of the UNC system and I'm glad to see the delegates talk about it in the face of the state Republicans' attacks.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


oh sweet lady!
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I like this type of history. It's happy history.
posted by Jalliah at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Doesn't anyone else see it? Apparently, immigrants aren't included in "everyone." Isn't the complementary group to immigrants "native-born Americans?" WTF? It's so weird. Why would she say that?

And yes...the perfect is the enemy of the good...liberals can't have nice things because we're too nitpicky etc. etc. blah, blah, blah, yes. But WTF?


As I recall, she was describing what the Trumpistas were trying to pull with their divide-everybody-with-fear-and-hate rhetoric last week at the RNC. And in that regard, it is a perfectly fine description.
posted by Celsius1414 at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm loving how so many states are honoring their Native American people.
posted by yesster at 3:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Oklahoma's got a woman born in 1929: "I never thought I would live to see this day"
posted by zachlipton at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


Oklahoma lady giving Arizona lady a run for her money.
posted by dersins at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Stop blocking your awesome spokeswoman with the banner, assholes.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I love the roll call. Really gives you a sense for how large and diverse our country is.
posted by joedan at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I never thought I would live to see this day" - Oklahoma delegate born in 1929
posted by mochapickle at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I am hoping someone shows up with a phone streaming the live YouTube coverage so we can see it repeating tinier and tinier.

no, that should have been done at the RNC - the idea of trump and the whole lot, except corb, disappearing into a massive black hole and turning into disembodied you tube comments is appealing ...
posted by pyramid termite at 3:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hello teeny Oklahoman baby!
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Perhaps shamefully, I had to Google Obergefell because the name didn't ring a bell but whoops there go the tears in me
posted by rorgy at 3:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow. Oklahoma. Born 9 years after women's suffrage. Wow.

History.
posted by bearwife at 3:29 PM on July 26, 2016


Berners covering an old woman with their banner wtf
posted by EatTheWeek at 3:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


penguin, it's shorthand for what we all know it means. I think you're overthinking.

What do we all know it means? That everyone means "native born americans?" That's the part that bothers me: that it seems to be assumed that everyone means "native born americans". Would everyone have been an acceptable substitute for any of the other groups pitted against each other?
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016


Is Bernie a Vermont delegate? Can you be your own delegate?

He's a superdelegate but thought it felt weird voting for himself so he voted for Tammy Metzler
posted by beerperson at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Even more difficult of a journey than Guam (their airport on Saipan is quite an armrest gripper).

Crap, I still remember landing at Guam as a kid. I think we were in free fall.
posted by bongo_x at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016


I won't make WA State's rollcall, as I have a doctor's appointment to go to.

My predictions: 6161582129 voted for Bernie Sanders, 9 votes for Hillary Clinton, 523 votes for a Grande Americano.
posted by spinifex23 at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is so close to clinching. How many votes does PA have? Doesn't seem like it would even get to Vermont, or would that just be more of an FU?
posted by lkc at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016


I am going to be driving home when Clinton is announced, so I'm posting now what I would be posting then: a short clip of Madam Secretary Rawlings-Blake dancing with some students.
posted by penduluum at 3:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Watching the video feed and Metafilter simultaneously is the first time I've ever found a use for Android split screen.

My phone is getting really hot...
posted by howfar at 3:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh oregon, never change.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Okay, penguin, how would you have phrased it?
posted by argybarg at 3:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Puerto Rico has a shoutout to Lin-Manuel Miranda! It's been way too long without a Hamilton reference.
posted by zachlipton at 3:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


HAMILTON has been mentioned people
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Ricky Martin getting a shout out there...
posted by howfar at 3:33 PM on July 26, 2016




This is my favorite part. The states reading in their nominations always turns me into a flag waving idiot.
posted by billyfleetwood at 3:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


oh shit oh shit oh shit so close come on arejkagjdskga my nerves can't handle this
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:34 PM on July 26, 2016


What do we all know it means? That everyone means "native born americans?" That's the part that bothers me: that it seems to be assumed that everyone means "native born americans".

It's a tautology. By definition, "everyone" includes the group you are targeting. So there's an implied "else" when you say "everyone (else) against _____."

Such as:

"Everyone hates those crazy clowns in Congress." Clowns in Congress are also part of everyone, technically.
posted by AndrewInDC at 3:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton won 0 pledged delegates in Vermont. So that means it would need to put her over the top with superdelegates, one of whom is BERNIE!

What is this? A movie?
posted by zachlipton at 3:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


The Puerto Rico man was like come on now to the lady holding that t-shirt right in front of his face.
posted by Tarumba at 3:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Aww Rhode Island is stuck behind a pole.
posted by rorgy at 3:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Penguin, I get what you're getting at and as an immigrant I noticed it too, but I think she was just exaggerating for effect. It's tough to be pitch perfect in speech delivery, in any case.
posted by peacheater at 3:35 PM on July 26, 2016


Wait, won't SC will be the state to put her over?
posted by zombieflanders at 3:36 PM on July 26, 2016


"Everyone hates those crazy clowns in Congress." Clowns in Congress are also part of everyone, technically.

It's true, then. Those crazy clowns in Congress hate those crazy clowns in Congress.
posted by chimaera at 3:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


>
Wait, won't SC will be the state to put her over?


I believe they wont tally until the end?
posted by mrzarquon at 3:36 PM on July 26, 2016


Here's a story on the plan to let Vermont go last to put HRC over the top then.
posted by bearwife at 3:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


> "Everyone hates those crazy clowns in Congress." Clowns in Congress are also part of everyone, technically.

self hating clowns.
posted by mrzarquon at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


2 more to go!!!
posted by cooker girl at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016


THREE MORE VOTES
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016


She needs 2 more by my count, so it'll be SD
posted by phunniemee at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016


South Carolina motto: "While I breathe, I hope." I like that.
posted by mochapickle at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


In language it's better to use the simple expression with the clear implied meaning rather than use a tortured formulation for technical correctness.
posted by argybarg at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


South Dakota to put her over!
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Rhode Island bragging about great restaurants. Jeat!
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


My state is taking her over the top!!!!!
posted by yesster at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Clinton won 0 pledged delegates in Vermont. So that means it would need to put her over the top with superdelegates, one of whom is BERNIE!

Not sure this makes sense? The current tally has her at 2334 with lots of states left to go. Unless they interrupt the alphabet to let Vermont go like now.
posted by like_neon at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


CAST THE VOTES IN LAKOTA
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


South Dakota gonna do it?
posted by Splunge at 3:37 PM on July 26, 2016


South Dakota's got a greeting for us in the Lakota language.
posted by zachlipton at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


It's Chigurh!
posted by Taft at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yep.
posted by Splunge at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Oohhhh, i get it. They're rearranging the order of the call.
I was thinking it'd be pretty crappy if they just cut it short halfway through. Seems like a let down to the people wanting to brag about their state.
posted by lkc at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Little weird to segue RIGHT from the Lakota guy to a Mount Rushmore mention, BUT STILL!
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


OH MY GOD
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah that just did it. History is happening in Philadelphia!
posted by zachlipton at 3:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


south dakota?? heh
posted by pyramid termite at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2016


OK, I'm even more worried that the Busters will bait him into saying something stupid.

Yeah, that's been tried before. It didn't go well then.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2016


My kids are laughing at how hard I'm crying and I don't care!
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


No hats for Texas? I'm disappointed
posted by Tarumba at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Where are all the cowboy hats at Texas? I thought they were mandated by law to wear them.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is the closest I ever come to patriotism—this fierce love of the colors and languages of my country.
posted by mynameisluka at 3:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Awesome stache.
posted by joedan at 3:41 PM on July 26, 2016


THAT'S MY STATE. Texas y'all. Ann Richards. Ma Ferguson. Don't forget it.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


There's one pretty awesome denim hat with a texas-shaped bit of bling on it!
posted by chapps at 3:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


cbs is dumb - how in the age of cell phones and internet do the delegates have no way of knowing they just nominated clinton?
posted by pyramid termite at 3:41 PM on July 26, 2016


Ann Richards shoutout!
Damn, I miss her.
posted by bibliowench at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


The greatest snow on Earth?
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Uh uh excuse me but I was told there would be hats.
posted by tobascodagama at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Fuck it!! Please send all y'all's antihistamines my way PLEASE!! Because ALLERGIES Y'ALL!!
#shedidit
posted by ramix at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"The greatest snow on Earth"

LOL
posted by sallybrown at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016


Apparently, the totals aren't known inside the hall.
 
posted by Herodios at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016


Doesn't anyone else see it? Apparently, immigrants aren't included in "everyone." Isn't the complementary group to immigrants "native-born Americans?" WTF? It's so weird. Why would she say that?

If you think immigrants can't be against other immigrants you haven't met my Fox News-watching immigrant and daughter-of-immigrants grandparents.
posted by JauntyFedora at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


OMG I made it home for Texas!!! Woo hoooo!
posted by Salieri at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The corpse in the library, your kids will tell their kids one day where they were when Secretary Clinton was nominated for the presidency.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


No hats for Texas? I'm disappointed

There was a lady with a blue leather cowboy hat with an enormous rhinestone buckle in the shape of Texas. Marvelous!
posted by mochapickle at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Vermont passes
posted by cooker girl at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Lakota speaker was just so... correct, so necessary.
posted by Splunge at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Ok so Vermont is passing. And presumably they'll come back to them at the very end.
posted by zachlipton at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016


He forgot Molly Ivins
posted by persona au gratin at 3:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Vermont what?
posted by PenDevil at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016


Are they passing so that Bernie can suspend the count after everyone else has had their turn?
posted by Talez at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016


A. Ham shoutout.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Are we sure they were from Texas?
posted by bongo_x at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Vermont better brag about Ben and Jerry
posted by Tarumba at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Second Hamilton shoutout of the night.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016


US Virgin Islands with a shoutout to Alexander Hamilton. Chick a plao!
posted by zachlipton at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hamilton shout out!
posted by octobersurprise at 3:43 PM on July 26, 2016


Virgin Islands: "yaaaaay!"
posted by phunniemee at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


US Virgin Island speaker won my heart with that big yaaay.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Giant parrot head guy is awesome!
posted by teponaztli at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


> The corpse in the library, your kids will tell their kids one day where they were when Secretary Clinton was nominated for the presidency

My big ugly happy sobs certainly made it memorable for them!
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Who the hell is booing EVERY TIME they go to the next state???
posted by zennie at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016


Wahoo Virginia!!!
posted by Tarumba at 3:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bernie going down to the floor now.
posted by cashman at 3:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


They'll come back to Vermont so Bernie can dramatically reveal that the REAL delegate count favors him and his running mate, GOB Bluth
posted by beerperson at 3:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Are they passing so that Bernie can suspend the count after everyone else has had their turn?
I think that Bernie really, really wants all the delegates' votes to be registered, so they will register Vermont's votes, and then he will move for a unanimous vote for Hillary. It'll be interesting to see how that goes over.
Who the hell is booing EVERY TIME they go to the next state???
Are they booing or wooing? I think that may be a woo.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I liked the hat one of the VI delegates was wearing.
posted by tobascodagama at 3:45 PM on July 26, 2016


I like this approach of letting every state announce and then doing Vermont at the end. This way everybody gets to have their say, we get the count out and everyone can say their vote was counted (except the people who say the voting machines were rigged, because yeah), and then ideally we end this with a unifying gesture in a few minutes.
posted by zachlipton at 3:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I have a box of Clinton campaign kitsch I'm accruing for my two-year-old daughter. One day, they will make a fine, underappreciated addition to a 4th grade history report.
posted by palindromic at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


Wahoo Virginia!!!

Wahoo wah
Virgin-i-a

;)
posted by sallybrown at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Washington State guy should be in charge of PA announcements at a sports arena of some kind.
posted by zachlipton at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm thinking WOOOOOOOs rather than boos.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016


ooh there's a muslim lady in front
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary Clinton yay!
posted by obfuscation at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016


WASHINGTON I DIDN'T MISS IT.

Where are your little foam hats?
posted by spinifex23 at 3:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


These men shoving Bernie signs in front of women's faces are starting to piss me off.
posted by cooker girl at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


Bernie better stomp his feet and light a match for Hillary dammit.
posted by cashman at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016


From Rachel Maddow on Twitter: Senator @BernieSanders appears to be on the move toward the floor... ignoring questions from reporters on the way!

(Seems like he's headed there to announce Vermont's votes, last.)
posted by dnash at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, it's a real pity the Washington Republicans were more on top of their hat game than the Democrats. WE ARE THE SILLY HATS ONLY PARTY
posted by palindromic at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I imagine the roll call finishing and Hillary taking the nom is gonna feel like setting a broken bone to some.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


corb you should go find those people and hug them. <3
posted by stolyarova at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016


I love the shout outs to Native Americans.
posted by persona au gratin at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Yay Washington!
posted by lovecrafty at 3:47 PM on July 26, 2016


Boo at the lady who took away the Palestine sign. (AFAICT, it said "PALESTINIAN HUMAN RIGHTS" which is a hard thing to be against unless you're Netanyahu.
posted by tobascodagama at 3:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


"We did it, good job everybody!"

Hahaha
posted by zombieflanders at 3:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"We did it! Good job, everybody!"
posted by rorgy at 3:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


and then ideally we end this with a unifying gesture in a few minutes.

I got yr unifying gesture right here.
posted by phunniemee at 3:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm ashamed to say I've never watched a roll-call vote before. I really love it.
posted by birdheist at 3:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


TAMMY BALDWIN!!!!!!! I love her.
posted by spinifex23 at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


YAY CHEESE AND BEER.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I love love Tammy Baldwin. She was my Congresswoman back in WI.
posted by persona au gratin at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Go Pack!
posted by carmicha at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


So is Sanders going to close this by casting his superdelegate vote for Clinton?
posted by dersins at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016


OK, I am happy now, I see cheese hats from the Wisconsin delegation.
posted by skybluepink at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow, Cowboy fans gonna be mad.
posted by sideshow at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Green Bay Packers, of course, being the closest thing to a socialist entity in professional sports.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Does the DNC roll call usually acknowledge Native Americans this much? It's awesome.
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm sorry, but there is no way the Green Bay Packers are America's team.
posted by palindromic at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wait, black people live in Wisconsin? But Paul Ryan couldn't find any for his selfie!
posted by lovecrafty at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


There sure are a lot of W states.
posted by brennen at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wyoming has matching t-shirts "black lives matter in the equality state." I love it.
posted by zachlipton at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [44 favorites]


Wisconsin in a cheese jacket. I get it.
posted by Devonian at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Minnesota and Illinois' objections alone!
posted by palindromic at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is the entire Wyoming delegation wearing BLM shirts?
posted by zakur at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hell yeah, loving those 'Black Lives Matter' shirts, Wyoming!
posted by spinifex23 at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Wyoming was the state I always forgot when studying for my US citizenship test.
posted by Tarumba at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016


Nice BLM turnout for Wyoming.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016


Come on Bernie
posted by persona au gratin at 3:50 PM on July 26, 2016


I love how the Wyoming speaker was 100% business until saying Hillary's name and then she gave a big goofy grin.
posted by sallybrown at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


> Hell yeah, loving those 'Black Lives Matter' shirts, Wyoming!

fuck yeah wyoming
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


I missed almost all the states but this is so great.
posted by zutalors! at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016


Yay Tammy Baldwin! And a shout out to Russ Feingold! As a Wisconsinite, those two make me proud of my state, can't wait for Feingold to be back in the senate.
posted by airish at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


So many BLM shirts!
posted by tobascodagama at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016


Is the entire Wyoming delegation wearing BLM shirts?

yes and it's beautiful
posted by dis_integration at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


We have an amazing country.
posted by persona au gratin at 3:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Vermont lady is wearing a Hillary button.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:52 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh shit people....Vermont is up.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:52 PM on July 26, 2016


Sanders is legit crying. Amazing.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Bernie looks like he's watching a movie of his life while holding an angel's hand.
posted by cashman at 3:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [55 favorites]


Bernie Sanders has been good to the Democratic Party.
posted by yesster at 3:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


Can't watch because I'm at work, but I'm starting to wish Eurovision votes were announced this way.
posted by asperity at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is a beautiful thing. Stronger TOGETHER.
posted by sallybrown at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


What lovely words about Sanders. That was great!
posted by pointystick at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
posted by cooker girl at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016


sanders is feeling the bern too
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


HRC is the nominee!
posted by cashman at 3:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is kind of heartbreaking, and I say that as somebody who was in the tank for Hillary from the start.
posted by skybluepink at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


YES! Thank you, Bernie!
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Nicely done, Bernie.
posted by persona au gratin at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Here it is
posted by y2karl at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm crying too.
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Way to go Bern.
posted by Salieri at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Every state votes, then Sanders moves that all votes be recorded as they were cast and Hillary Clinton be selected as the nominee.
posted by zachlipton at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Oh, Bernie. You are wonderful. Tears.
posted by mochapickle at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Lovefest! <3 <3 <3
posted by stolyarova at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


BERNIE FOR THE FIRST TIME I CAN SAY UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT I LOVE YOU!!!!!
posted by Superplin at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


SHOW JERRY EMMETT AGAIN DAMN IT
posted by sallybrown at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


YES!!!!!!!!
posted by Hairy Lobster at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


That did it. Officially weeping now. Well done, Sanders. Well done.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


<3 you Bernie!
posted by Glinn at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


\(>o<)ノ
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Okay, penguin, how would you have phrased it?

Native-born Americans against immigrants? Hardly tortured, IMO.

It's a tautology. By definition, "everyone" includes the group you are targeting. So there's an implied "else" when you say "everyone (else) against _____." Such as: "Everyone hates those crazy clowns in Congress." Clowns in Congress are also part of everyone, technically.


So is that a yes, "Everyone vs. black people" and "Everyone vs. Jews" would have been just fine because obviously it's implied to mean "everyone else."?
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


persona au gratin: We have an amazing country.

Yep. You surely do. Proud to be your neighbor.
posted by No Robots at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Nicely done, Dems.
posted by dersins at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Huzzah!
posted by homunculus at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Y E S
posted by showbiz_liz at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


SO MOVED AND SECONDED
posted by penduluum at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Sobbing
posted by cooker girl at 3:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


All the people with H signs with the arrow
Need to point the arrow
THATAWAY -------------------->
posted by rouftop at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


(that broken bone comment earlier was for myself)
posted by Annika Cicada at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Well done, Senator Sanders.
posted by dnash at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Weeping.
posted by mynameisluka at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This means they'll be a voice vote on the acclimation motion. How many nos are we going to get?
posted by zachlipton at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


└(○`ε´○)┘ SPIRIT OF UNITY └(○`ε´○)┘
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


How much better could that have gone?!
posted by argybarg at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Shit I freaking love Bernie.
posted by Tarumba at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is it special for him to say she she should be the nominee? She IS the nominee, she won! Hillary did it better in 2008.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


There's tomorrow's sound bite.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


BRAVO!
posted by Splunge at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Lets Freaking GOOO!!!!
posted by cashman at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Well, thank God it's not Autocorrect by acclamation...
posted by y2karl at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Okay crying now.
posted by Salieri at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Ayes have it.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I want to be there!
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was lovely!
posted by carmicha at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Well done, Bernie.
posted by skybluepink at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Thank you, Bernie Sanders.
 
posted by Herodios at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm so obsessed with these rainbow signs <3
posted by acidic at 3:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Whew. Let's beat Trump.
posted by mollweide at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I am legitimately surprised that there were almost no NOs.
posted by palindromic at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is glorious! I think I just saw a lady crying and doing the cabbage patch at the same time.
posted by cashman at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


He suspended by acclimation, he just let everyone else talk first.
posted by lkc at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Was it orchestrated that all the H signs came out at the end? Or is this camera work?
posted by 0xFCAF at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016


I rewound that to watch it again, and I wanted to hug him

I am so proud to be a Democrat right now
posted by schadenfrau at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Whoa. This is one of those moments people will remember.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016


more like HERstory
posted by beerperson at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


The ayes have it!
posted by Illusory contour at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Dance party time!
posted by stolyarova at 3:56 PM on July 26, 2016


Thank you Bernie!
posted by bongo_x at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016


Ok forget the few nos. This is goddamn beautiful.
posted by zachlipton at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Why is it special for him to say she she should be the nominee? She IS the nominee, she won! Hillary did it better in 2008.

Yes, she's done a lot of things better than lots of people. But it was still moving to many of us.
posted by Bella Donna at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


"Hillary Clinton has been invited to give an acceptance speech." Gosh I hope she accepts or we're all going to feel stupid.
posted by zachlipton at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [55 favorites]


Crying at my desk at work, gotta go over a report with the boss in a few minutes, but I DON'T CARE. I'm so happy and so proud.
posted by yasaman at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Bernie Sanders is a true patriot, god bless that man.
posted by EatTheWeek at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


<3 <3 <3
posted by pemberkins at 3:57 PM on July 26, 2016


I hope there is somewhere quiet there that Sanders can steal away to be alone for a few minutes. He's had a hell of a day.
posted by anastasiav at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


Was it orchestrated that all the H signs came out at the end? Or is this camera work?

Orchestrated. The sign game has been strong so far - Michelle signs, Bernie signs yesterday, and now the Hillary signs.
posted by palindromic at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why is it special for him to say she she should be the nominee? She IS the nominee, she won! Hillary did it better in 2008.

Given the atmosphere yesterday, it's good for the sake of party unity. And it seems to have worked, too--there were a lot fewer nos in that vote than there would have been yesterday.
posted by joedan at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I'll never be able to listen to Happy again without crying tears of joy.
posted by ilicet at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Every moment of this convention highlights what a sour, urine-scented mess the RNC was.
posted by argybarg at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


My autistic 7 year old just asked me why i'm crying. She thought i'm mad at her for some reason. I told her its because of Hillary Clinton and that i'm so happy that she's going to be the first female American president. She's like Mom i'm going to be president too so you can cry happy tears.
Now i cant stop CRYING for REALS!!
posted by ramix at 3:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [188 favorites]


Are those the Bernie chanters again?
posted by rorgy at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm sorry, but there is no way the Green Bay Packers are America's team.

Vikings!
posted by kirkaracha at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also, I just asked my elderly dad who he was going to vote for. And he said he was thinking about voting for the lady but everybody seemed to be against her. I asked him to vote for her anyway and just not tell the rest of the family.
posted by Bella Donna at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [59 favorites]


I think it is also such a huge contrast from the RNC regarding candidates supporting that working together .
posted by AlexiaSky at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I hope there is somewhere quiet there that Sanders can steal away to be alone for a few minutes. He's had a hell of a day.

He seemed to sneak off right away. If I were him I'd be making a bee-line to the wine cabinet.
posted by dis_integration at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hillary did it better in 2008.

yeah, but bernie didn't do it badly, and he didn't stay sulking in his room sticking pins in voodoo dolls like some people are

yes, i wanted to work that in somewhere, damn it

YAY HILLARY
posted by pyramid termite at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I have been bawling through this whole thing.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


At this moment, I like my country and this election. Didn't think I'd feel that during this election season!
posted by mixedmetaphors at 3:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Missed my Michigan, but tuned in just in time to see - for the first time in my life - someone of my gender be nominated by a major party. You want perspective on that? My mother is in her 90s. Her mother was born in the 1890s, 25 years before women could even vote.
posted by NorthernLite at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


This is glorious! I think I just saw a lady crying and doing the cabbage patch at the same time.

Truly the only way to do the cabbage patch
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


ramix, you got me started all over again!
posted by mochapickle at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is tiny but Terry McAuliffe just opened a little clinic in our building for state employees so we don't have to take time off for headaches and other small stuff.

He's really cool.
posted by Tarumba at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


/r/SFP is in complete meltdown.
posted by Talez at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think my prize of the night goes to Indiana's giant middle finger to Mike Pence.
posted by nakedmolerats at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Hillary, and her husband Bill" Heh.
posted by anastasiav at 4:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


ramix, can I share that please?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016


"I LOVE THIS WOMAN"

plot twist
posted by acidic at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Why is it special for him to say she she should be the nominee? She IS the nominee, she won! Hillary did it better in 2008.

I think in part it was symbolic too - there were so many conspiracy theorists and Busters and people who wanted recognition of how much support that he had won that they wanted all the delegate votes to be read into the record. But in the end Sanders moved that she be nominated not by vote count, but by acclamation, like hey - who cares what the exact count was, she won, this is what we acclaim as a group now. And the fact that he's the one that did it will hopefully speak to some more of his supporters who weren't moved last by last night's speeches.
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


So does this make Bernie Gandalf or Erkenbrand? I'm leaning Erkenbrand, but I'm open to contrary opinions.
posted by tobascodagama at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016


Why is it special for him to say she she should be the nominee? She IS the nominee, she won! Hillary did it better in 2008.

Political Theater is the only kind of politics. The ritual of this vote was important. He personally overseeing that final cathartic release of emotion was important. 2008 was not 2016. Ths year, the runner-up's release of the monent could not have come before the roll call.
posted by EatTheWeek at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


I'm sorry, but there is no way the Green Bay Packers are America's team.

Vikings!


well, it sure as hell isn't the lions
posted by pyramid termite at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


/r/SFP is in complete meltdown.

guess how much I care
posted by dersins at 4:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I loved that, too. Hillary and her husband Bill! Progress!
posted by persona au gratin at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016


No one at the RNC offered any personal vignettes of the sort Terry McAuliffe just did when he reminisced about Hillary playing mermaid in the pool with his daughter.
posted by carmicha at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


This "Hillary played mermaid in the pool with my daughter" thing was weak sauce at best.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016


It's the Bears.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


lol they gave the fight ISIS around the world line to Terry McAuliffe

"nobody's gonna like him anyway, just sneak it in there"
posted by schadenfrau at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


My poor dog doesn't understand why I'm clapping and crying. I have to calm down so she'll stop trying to comfort me.
posted by Sophie1 at 4:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm crying because as a YUGE Bernie supporter I got really mad at how Bernie's campaign went. I wanted it to be so much more. I feel like he's leaving a good legacy but still it's hard to say goodbye to something I feel could have been so much more before a bunch of assholes online ruined it for me.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [43 favorites]


If I were him I'd be making a bee-line to the wine cabinet.

Stuff some t-shirts in a suitcase, taxi to the airport, and get on the first tropical flight departing. A mere few hours and he and Jane will have their feet in the sand and cold daiqueris in hand.
posted by sallybrown at 4:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's the Bears.

yep
posted by fitnr at 4:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]




> /r/SFP is in complete meltdown.
posted by Talez at 4:00 PM on July 26 [+] [!]


oh my god someone there just legit accused sanders of killing rosa luxemburg.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 4:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


well, it sure as hell isn't the lions

Heck, the Lions are barely even Michigan's team. There is no America's team in the NFL, damn it. All the contenders are at least as hated as they are loved. America's team is Drew Magary's Why Your Team Sucks series.

/NFL derail
posted by palindromic at 4:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think during the whole RNC, only one speaker referred to Trump as a friend.
posted by mochapickle at 4:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


If you want to ruin the feelgood moment (and I really don't recommend doing so), here's a periscope of Sanders delegates who have walked out in protest.
posted by zachlipton at 4:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


we're all YUGE Bernie supporters right now
posted by Foci for Analysis at 4:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think during the whole RNC, only one speaker referred to Trump as a friend.

That was John Barron of the New York delegation.
posted by tonycpsu at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Honestly, they get to walk out. They get to feel their feels. It's interesting to me how different the coverage is of the Busters and of folks like Corb last week.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


I like Dottie Deans' multicolor hillary button.
posted by cashman at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016


Chanting "Show me what democracy looks like"

Can someone dump four million votes on his head?
posted by Talez at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Was that a little "We're up all night to get lucky" music cue?
posted by LobsterMitten at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016


I liked the mermaid story not just because it shows her as playful and engaged with a child, but because it suggests Hillary is willing to get her hair wet.
posted by carmicha at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Sanders delegate walkout Periscope stream.

Not today, Satan. I want to watch the Congressional women!
posted by Salieri at 4:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Do not turn this into a sports thread, do not go there. Please!
posted by Bella Donna at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump is getting shook. Follow the money, journalists.
posted by sallybrown at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


How many Sander delegates bounced? Can I have their seats on Thursday? I'm happy to drive down and wave a sign.
posted by Stynxno at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


here's a periscope of Sanders delegates who have walked out in protest.

what a bunch of silly phakes, let's spray cheez whiz at them
posted by pyramid termite at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016


/r/SFP is in complete meltdown.
posted by Talez at 4:00 PM on July 26 [+] [!]

oh my god someone there just legit accused sanders of killing rosa luxemburg.


I feel compelled to go over and watch this

and yet

feeling good about our country and our party is so much better

and yet it's my literal username

TORN
posted by schadenfrau at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


Nancy Pelosi belongs in our currency.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't mind them walking out. If they feel like the DNC is illegitimate and they can't support the Democratic party, they should leave it. Staying to crap on it was the part that bothered me.
posted by argybarg at 4:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [62 favorites]


OMG how did I already hit my favorite limit for the day, I demand a recount.
posted by Andrhia at 4:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm at work so I haven't been watching, but thanks for sharing everyone. I'm about to cry. This is history in the making.
posted by defenestration at 4:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Seeing all those women on stage is awesome, but I wish there were more.
posted by Torosaurus at 4:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I don't understand the mindset of someone, no matter how passionate a supporter of Sanders, who can't enjoy the historic moment right now.

Of course even the fact that it IS a historic moment seems to be escaping some people.
posted by threeturtles at 4:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


All these women. Fuck yes. This is like all the times we watched Leslie Knope and CJ Cregg and wished we had them for-real.
posted by nakedmolerats at 4:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [45 favorites]


Here's how Bernie Sanders will still win Andrhia's favorites via USUncut dot com
posted by Ghostride The Whip at 4:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Come on, the Packers are America's team because they're not owned by some billionaire, but some 100,000 regular people shareholders.
posted by zutalors! at 4:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I love the bright colors of all these women's suits. In the crane shots it looks super cool.
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ok, if you want to bask in the glow of an important and historic moment (which: totally legit! I’m casting no aspersions) please skip this comment.

But what I can’t get over is: why does this moment seem to be more about Bernie than Hillary? Why does he get so much credit for doing what she did 8 years ago?

I just… to me, this is a microcosm of the unconscious bias of this whole election. All the praise and credit he gets for doing the same things she did 100x better. It’s not his fault he gets a penis pass, obviously. But I do find it to be depressing.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 4:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


Someone should start a twitter hashtag to release Trumps tax returns...
posted by herda05 at 4:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I just looked up Rosa Luxemburg, and I still don't understand what these cosplayers think they are saying
posted by Countess Elena at 4:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm so happy!
posted by OmieWise at 4:11 PM on July 26, 2016


One sad thing about people who have privilege on all fronts is they never get to feel like THIS.
posted by sallybrown at 4:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


The Sanders folks outside seem pretty respectful from the Periscope. They say they're coming back inside for Mothers of the Movement, but they're there to represent the people who voted for them and holding space outside the hall (for the TV cameras, naturally) is how they're going to do that. Anyway, I'm going back to watching more awesome women in Congress.
posted by zachlipton at 4:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Seeing the camera have to keep panning, and panning, and panning to get all of the congressional women... awesome.
posted by jason_steakums at 4:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Shout out to Jan Schakowsky, awesome rep from north side of Chicago!
posted by fitnr at 4:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


(showbiz_liz, can we also talk about that bangin' pink hat that one woman is wearing? A+ hat game, lady whose name I don't know, but who is excellent.)

I'm happy-crying into my ice cream right now. This is good. Getting here has been painful and moving forward is going to be painful but this, right here? This is really good.
posted by Stacey at 4:12 PM on July 26, 2016


pocketfullofrye: But what I can’t get over is: why does this moment seem to be more about Bernie than Hillary? Why does he get so much credit for doing what she did 8 years ago?

For me, it's not AT ALL about Bernie. I am finally free to officially NOT GIVE A FUCK about what he or his hardcore supporters think. We have a woman presidential nominee, and a next woman president. That's all I care about right now.
posted by Superplin at 4:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I just looked up Rosa Luxemburg, and I still don't understand what these cosplayers think they are saying

I'm pretty sure it was a snarky joke about the KPD/SPD dispute and the rise of the Nazis in Germany.
posted by dis_integration at 4:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


(It's possible I've miscalibrated the ratio of margaritas to guacamole. Or maybe I have it exactly right?)
posted by Superplin at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Welp, 2016.

Ain't ready to forgive you yet, but more days like this and perhaps we can work on it.
posted by Devonian at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


pocketfullofrye:

Taking extra time to be gracious and thankful is good practice. Hillary gets the nomination, she can be generous.
posted by argybarg at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bernie Sanders is a true patriot, god bless that man.

It's hard to see it now, but the public owes him a major debt of gratitude for the important work he did to bring progressive policies into the party platform. The political dialogue has now changed permanently -- not just on minimum wage, but on a whole host of other issues that are important to working Americans, too, such as healthcare and education finance reforms that were once "not realistic" or not amenable to "triangulation". So, at least, one round of thanks from this naturalized citizen and voter to Bernie for all of his hard work to make America a better country.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [94 favorites]


Amen, jason_steakums

My Congresswoman, Judy Chu (whom I love!) is up there somewhere. Though I've not seen her.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016


But what I can’t get over is: why does this moment seem to be more about Bernie than Hillary? Why does he get so much credit for doing what she did 8 years ago?

Sanders is an avatar for the sizeable fraction of the Democratic party that voted for him; this isn't really about him, it's about them. Now, as to why this dynamic was in play more this year than in 2008, I think it's because Clinton did a better job of moving towards unity immediately once she lost than Sanders did, so her supporters had already had more time to grieve and accept. Also lots of other reasons, but that's one.
posted by biogeo at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


When Women Succeed, America Succeeds! QFT!
posted by Sophie1 at 4:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


penis pass

just a lil reminder that penis ≠ man. kinda not great phrasing
posted by burgerrr at 4:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


In my view, Bernie made me connect with the Democratic party. I loved him and respected him before he ran, and I think he has pushed the party to the left.

He made our country use the word socialist in a non witch hunt context. This is amazing for a country that always rejected the left on principle.
posted by Tarumba at 4:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


(It's possible I've miscalibrated the ratio of margaritas to guacamole. Or maybe I have it exactly right?)

Guacamole! I knew I was forgetting something. Laters.
posted by Justinian at 4:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


donnie sounds so irrelevant right now

For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia.

that's because you have ZERO money, right donnie?
posted by pyramid termite at 4:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Superplin, I really should be where you are so I could help you with the margaritas.
posted by cooker girl at 4:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


God, imagine if all political news looked like this panel of female Reps. It would be amazing.
posted by LobsterMitten at 4:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


My friend's Bernie-supporting 8-year-old daughter is probably sad as hell right now. She wanted Bernie to get the nomination only because she wanted to be the first female president herself.
posted by komara at 4:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


I can't explain how good it feels to see this group of women on stage.
posted by mcduff at 4:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


It might also be the case that Russians have investments in him.
posted by hleehowon at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [40 favorites]


Regarding people posting about the dumb behavior of Busters during this happy moment, take a tip from Mr. Paul Anka!
posted by downtohisturtles at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


(Y. Smirnov joke comes to mind)
posted by hleehowon at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's now about Hillary, standing firm on the planks of the platform, holding the line on the left. We pulled SO FUCKING hard on the platform. This is an AMAZING PLATFORM.

If someone's not on board then they need to go home.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I think the lady in the awesome pink hat is Alma Adams, from North Carolina.
posted by mochapickle at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Zero investment in Russia, how much money Russia has invested in Trump.... that's another question.
posted by PenDevil at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


The right balance of guacamole to margaritas is:

• some guacamole
• some margaritas

You've got this.
posted by rorgy at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


Someone on the Periscope: "we just keep watching the TV and when they do Black Lives Matter stuff we get the hell back in there so we don't have the Elijah Cummings thing happen again." Good.
posted by zachlipton at 4:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia.

well yeah, debts aren't investments
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia.

Why is he still spelling Wikileaks as Wikileakes? Does he just not know? And in a character scarce medium too, that extra e is expensive!
posted by dis_integration at 4:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


...what I can’t get over is: why does this moment seem to be more about Bernie than Hillary? Why does he get so much credit for doing what she did 8 years ago?

I'm guessing, pocketfullofrye, for Reasons: 1. It's an incredibly skilful exercise of building unity by validating and acknowledging the feelings of those who supported Sanders (like me), some of whom are whiny crybabies (not me). 2. Emotional Labor.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh, Donald. It's not how much you have invested in Russia, it's how much Russia has invested in YOU!

Let's see those tax filings, hey?
posted by Devonian at 4:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


If you know me outside of Metafilter, skip this comment because you've already heard, maybe more than once.

When I was about 9, I became obsessed with presidents. I could recite as many random facts about every US President that a pre-internet girl could find (I can still tell you pretty much every president's middle name, if you're curious). I announced to my father--a Nixon Republican, like my mother--that I wanted to be the first woman president of the United States.

“I think you can absolutely be President if that’s what you want,” he told me. “But you were born too late to be the first. By the time you’re old enough to run, we will already have had a few women as President."

I was old enough in the year 2000. This is an amazing moment for me, and for millions of women in the United States.
posted by Superplin at 4:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [160 favorites]


This is the kind of stuff that makes me proud of this country. For all of its many faults, it is so inspiring to have one of the two major parties stand up and proudly reiterate the best and most optimistic parts of what we can come together to do.

I know it's been said over and over, but...goddamn, the contrast with last week's depressing, anger-filled shitshow could not be more striking. This is the country I want to be part of.
posted by Salieri at 4:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Somewhere Elizabeth Cady Stanton is smiling.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


I appreciate all Bernie did, even though I think he waited far too long to relent and left the pot stirred for too long. But the platform is more progressive, Hillary is embracing the ideas, and we're seeing progressives line up to run for Congress. He did good.

I really hope that more than 90% of the Berners climb on the bandwagon. We have a lot to do to beat back Trump.
posted by dw at 4:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


In Putin's Russia, investment owns YOU!
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Donald Trump is a character scarce medium.
posted by biogeo at 4:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


#WhereAreTheTaxReturnsTrump
posted by JakeEXTREME at 4:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Instead they walk out on the women of Congress?
posted by persona au gratin at 4:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Hey guys: we put women in the sequel!
posted by zachlipton at 4:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


Salieri: yep! On both counts.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wonder who thought of the sit-in in the lobby and how long it'll last. It's a good compromise, they get the TV time which they seem to want, so whatever, and we get to actually listen to speeches. There's a post on r/sfp proposing that they stay quiet until Hillary's speech (so that they don't get kicked out) and then let the boos rain, though, which worries me.
posted by acidic at 4:20 PM on July 26, 2016


I have a fuck ton of privilege and I could not be prouder of the Democratic party today.

2008 We proved that the color of a Man's Skin was irrelevant to how qualified they were

2016 We proved that your gender was irrelevant to how qualified you are

I'm excited to see what sort of conventional wisdoms we can disprove next.
posted by vuron at 4:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


I've been on Mefi 15 years, and today is the first day I've ever hit my favorites limit.
posted by anastasiav at 4:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Pelosi is wearing a rainbow wristband... Sweet.
posted by mochapickle at 4:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Val Demings is amazing. Had never heard of her.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm done with the sit-in in the lobby. We've got a stage full of Congressional women here reminding us that when women succeeded, America succeeds.
posted by zachlipton at 4:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


"When Women Succeed, America Succeeds"

Good line.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


In the DNC feed it appears that it's just people milling around right now?
posted by winna at 4:22 PM on July 26, 2016


Tulsi Gabbard has potential. Gabbard/Booker 2024?

Unfortunately she's anti-choice, sooooo, yeah, not for me.


She's pro-choice. She was more conservative when she was younger, but she's evolved since then. As I understand it, her political worldview changed dramatically after she got back from Iraq.
posted by homunculus at 4:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


There's Judy! She's great.
posted by persona au gratin at 4:23 PM on July 26, 2016


Just started sobbing at the 102-year-old woman. Women didn't have the vote when she was born, and here she is announcing the votes for Hillary....

Video: 102-year-old woman casts votes for Hillary Clinton

Meet Jerry Emmett, Arizona's 102-Year-Old Honorary Delegate to the Democratic National Convention
posted by homunculus at 4:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


I'm a woman Chelsea's age, and this is the first year I am eligible to be president, too.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 4:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm excited to see what sort of conventional wisdoms we can disprove next.

IDK if I'd be more excited about a gay president or a Native president. (Say, any gay Native politicians kicking around?)
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Re "wikileakes". Trump is secretly Brian Butterfield. #LOLLE
posted by howfar at 4:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


anastasiav: I've been on Mefi 15 years, and today is the first day I've ever hit my favorites limit.

We are MeFi twins! ::high five::
posted by Superplin at 4:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed: Delegates aren't being allowed in. Media not allowed out. This is the scene inside the tent.
posted by bluecore at 4:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


... I announced to my father--a Nixon Republican, like my mother--that I wanted to be the first woman president of the United States.

I wanted to also! I remember where I was when I changed my mind. I was in third grade, reading a kids' book about the lives of Presidents. It described a President's day. The day always started at 5:30 am - first you have to hear the world news, then you have to go jogging.

I knew then that I was not meant for higher office, and have been at peace with it ever since.
posted by Countess Elena at 4:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [69 favorites]


Is Kamala Harris speaking at DNC?
posted by persona au gratin at 4:25 PM on July 26, 2016


Instead they walk out on the women of Congress?

In fairness, it is tricky to find a good time to disrupt or walk out on this DNC - they would almost always be walking out on speakers who are people of color, women, people with disabilities, immigrants, LGBT folks, etc.
posted by palindromic at 4:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


It's so sad that we have a potential president that attack ads are literally quotes from his campaign.
posted by AlexiaSky at 4:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's pro-choice. She was more conservative when she was younger, but she's evolved since then. As I understand it, her political worldview changed dramatically after she got back from Iraq.

She's also from the Bill Maher wing of the party when it comes to conflating terrorism and Islam, so fuck that noise. There were dozens of women on that stage who much better represent progressive ideals than her and don't have that baggage.
posted by tonycpsu at 4:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Could someone explain the Laurie Penny tweet?
posted by Spathe Cadet at 4:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think I could handle getting up at 5:30 but screw that jogging routine.
posted by vuron at 4:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


That Trump ad about McCain with just him speaking is so simple and yet makes him sound so horrible. Ads like that are going to hurt him.
posted by Jalliah at 4:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


JIMMY CARTER! So all the living Democratic ex-Presidents will have a presence this DNC!
posted by palindromic at 4:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


I knew then that I was not meant for higher office, and have been at peace with it ever since.

I started posting on message boards when I was like 13. Somewhere around age 15 or 16, I realized that if I ever wanted to be involved in politics, I should probably stop, like immediately. And... well, you can see how that turned out
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


GRAMPA CARTER!!
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Does anyone really think the $$$ that Dishonest Donald gets from Russia is going to show up on his tax returns? He may be two beets short of a bowl of borscht himself, but Putin and his buddies know enough to make it untraceable.
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:28 PM on July 26, 2016


> Someone on the Periscope: "we just keep watching the TV and when they do Black Lives Matter stuff we get the hell back in there so we don't have the Elijah Cummings thing happen again."

that's so cute though. and I mean that in a totally positive way. like, the people who've walked out aren't all loons or jackasses. There's a lot of people who mean well but who are, well, newbs, and more than a bit disorganized, and/but they're learning.

like for reals ten years from now there's going to be well-known people whose political biographies start with "x first worked in politics on the Bernie Sanders campaign in 2016."
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 4:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Spathe Cadet: Could someone explain the Laurie Penny tweet?

Not sure what's going on, but it looks like they took over the media area but aren't being allowed back in? She just had a followup tweat:

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
Ohio delegates for #BernieOrBust say they were threatened with having their credentials revoked. 'The Democrats don't care about the 99%'
posted by bluecore at 4:29 PM on July 26, 2016


Why were the delegates out in the first place?
posted by Tarumba at 4:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


showbiz_liz for Congress!
posted by persona au gratin at 4:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I started posting on message boards when I was like 13. Somewhere around age 15 or 16, I realized that if I ever wanted to be involved in politics, I should probably stop, like immediately. And... well, you can see how that turned out

Now I'm wondering, has 'look at this hot garbage my opponent posted to usenet in 1996!' figured into any significant political campaigns, yet?
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


showbiz_liz, I think you're fine - in The Future we'll have all the candidate's old Snapchats and Periscopes and Pokemons.
posted by zutalors! at 4:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's Time for Bill Clinton to Take His Talents Far From His Wife's Campaign:
If Clinton really wants to do something for his wife, he should give her something worth more than an Oval Office full of roses. He should give her the down ticket. Get her a Congress she can work with. Go to Wisconsin and pull crowds for Russ Feingold, go to New Hampshire and help Maggie Hassan wrap Donald Trump around Kelly Ayotte's neck. Katie McGinty in Pennsylvania, Ted Strickland in Ohio, and Catherine Cortez Masto in New Mexico all could benefit from some Clinton magic. Go to Missouri and show Jason Kander how it's done.
posted by palindromic at 4:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [66 favorites]


Last week, I could not have been more dismayed about a party's conduct in a Presidential election; this week, I have been brought to tears by this beautiful coalition of people standing up to fight intersectional oppression. To quote Senator Booker, "We will rise!"
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 4:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Tarumba: Why were the delegates out in the first place?

A walkout to protest, it appears.
posted by bluecore at 4:31 PM on July 26, 2016


I can still tell you pretty much every president's middle name, if you're curious

Do Harry Truman!
posted by tobascodagama at 4:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I don't know oneswellfoop Trump doesn't remind me of a Professor Moriarity type. I could totally see him being brazen enough to accept bribes without using go betweens.

Hell he probably has a folder on his computer with Sekrit Monnee Stuf
posted by vuron at 4:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wait, is this person complaining because they staged a protest walkout and then aren't being allowed back in?

What do they think a protest walkout is?
posted by aspo at 4:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [44 favorites]


Us middle-aged mom types from flyover country are going to elect our country's first ever lady president. You're welcome, America!
posted by triggerfinger at 4:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [47 favorites]


I'm not sure accusing the republicans of being bad at computers is the best tactic here.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 4:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


c'mon, busters - if you behead marie antoinette you can't have your cake and eat it too
posted by stolyarova at 4:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


thanks, moms
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I believe they're not allowing any more delegates into the media tent, not back into the arena.
posted by acidic at 4:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It would be cleverer to name it Sbojdnah anyway.
posted by rorgy at 4:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Now I'm wondering, has 'look at this hot garbage my opponent posted to usenet in 1996!' figured into any significant political campaigns, yet?
I mean, Bernie published an article opining that old bitch teachers caused cancer, and it didn't seem to hurt him. If you're a white dude, I think you can assume that your youthful internet indiscretions won't hurt you. If you're not, then obviously anything is going to hurt you, including just existing. But since you're guilty of just existing anyway, I wouldn't worry about it.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


You're welcome!
posted by soren_lorensen at 4:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


To be clear, the delegates who walked out then walked into the media tent, where they presumably aren't supposed to be.
posted by zachlipton at 4:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Schumer's pretty lackluster, but I'm glad he's hammering the House/Senate/Supreme Court line.
posted by rp at 4:35 PM on July 26, 2016


Aaaah, Jimmy Carter. I have a real soft spot for any Chritians who really walk the walk.

When I think about his presidency I always get infuriated over how much he was mocked for telling Americans to turn down the heat and put on a sweater. Like true, red-blooded Americans use as much energy as possible. And one of the first things that Reagan did when he came to the White House was rip off the solar panels. Gee. Imagine if the Republicans hadn't been such jackholes about energy usage we might be off the gas pipe by now.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [56 favorites]


This whole thing is so interesting to watch for me as a woman who grew up in India, and to a certain extent always took for granted that women could lead the country. Yes, there was Indira Gandhi, but we also had a female President. Sonia Gandhi could easily have become Prime Minister, and was asked to again and again by her party, but ultimately "abdicated" in favor of Manmohan Singh. My own state, Tamil Nadu, flip-flopped between two parties my entire childhood, with one of the parties lead by the megalomaniacal former actress, Jayalalitha. She herself was not the first female Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, that record goes to Janaki Ramachandran (though only formally). And their have been many other female Chief Ministers of other states, which I think is pretty good considering we've only been around since 1947.

All of which is not to say that India is not a terribly patriarchal and sexist place, and I would much rather be a poor woman in the US than in India. But I think it's interesting that the sexism in different places manifests in different ways. I was surprised at some of the retrograde attitudes towards women in power that I encountered here, as well as the double standards regarding candidates' private lives. Perhaps the biggest barrier to entry is the convoluted primary process and the fact that it's a direct election. if Hillary Clinton needed only to convince her party members (i.e. the superdelegates) that she was the best person to lead the party, we would probably have had President Clinton in 2008.
posted by peacheater at 4:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [37 favorites]


Do Harry Truman!
That's a trick question.
posted by Superplin at 4:36 PM on July 26, 2016


Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
Ohio delegates for #BernieOrBust say they were threatened with having their credentials revoked. 'The Democrats don't care about the 99%'


so here's the thing guys you can't actually be a delegate for #bernieorbust you can be a delegate for bernie or you can be a delegate for hillary or you can be an asshole

or i guess a delegate for o'malley
posted by dersins at 4:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I mean, Bernie published an article opining that old bitch teachers caused cancer, and it didn't seem to hurt him.

I mean, like, literally stuff from usenet or AOL boards being dug up and used against somebody
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:36 PM on July 26, 2016


"But if we can't symbolically walk out and then get back in later then we might miss the cool speakers later on!"

BUT MOM!
posted by vuron at 4:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Does anyone really think the $$$ that Dishonest Donald gets from Russia is going to show up on his tax returns? He may be two beets short of a bowl of borscht himself, but Putin and his buddies know enough to make it untraceable.

He pays his own companies to do campaign work, so if you could get that money into the campaign funds through donors that would be a way to hide it.
posted by jason_steakums at 4:36 PM on July 26, 2016


Uh-oh.
posted by mynameisluka at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016


Effie!!!
posted by acidic at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016


Could someone explain the Laurie Penny tweet?

Judging from her feed, she's either a full-blown reddit-style bernie conspiracy theorist (ALL BERNIE SUPPORTERS WILL BE ARRESTED! REMEMBER MY WORDS! HILLARY BUSTED!!!), or just doing her best to emulate one.

The "Yiannopoulos " ‏gamergater egging her on in the comments is a nice touch.
posted by effbot at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


What an entrance O.O
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]



Us middle-aged mom types from flyover country are going to elect our country's first ever lady president. You're welcome, America!


My batshit wingnut dad confidently assumes my mother will be voting Republican as usual. My batshit wingnut dad is wrong. (OK, so they're verging on elderly, but the point stands.)
posted by skybluepink at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


thanks, moms

Thoms.
posted by tobascodagama at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


oh man if I was a delegate I'd totally be yelling that I volunteer as tribute right now, then holding my hand up expectantly for high fives
posted by prize bull octorok at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


If they actually walked out of the building, is it maybe a security thing? I hope it's a security thing and they just need to go through it again and not some petty shit. Don't ruin my high, DNC!
posted by like_neon at 4:37 PM on July 26, 2016


I actually wouldn't be surprised if it was a fire marshall deal. That's been an issue at previous conventions that my sister has worked. She has to keep in mind, when providing resources for media, that she can't have them need to leave and come back to access them, because they may not be able to get back in for important speeches and moments.

Or possibly the party has just lost patience with the babies, but if they were going to lock them out I would expect it would be on Day Four for the acceptance speech.
posted by tavella at 4:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


RNC jokes. You would have had to see The Donald's entrance for that to make sense.
posted by sideshow at 4:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ugh the PBS feed is apparently not believing in providing titles for people and I have no idea who this person is except I guess her name is Elizabeth Banks and I guess she's famous?
posted by winna at 4:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Ah. yes. Now I get it.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh my god harry potter AND hunger games?
posted by Tarumba at 4:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Elizabeth Banks entrance. Who's ready to pound cheesesteaks after this?!
posted by Sophie1 at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Poor miss Banks...having to fill the time after the big emotional moment....with jokes
posted by OHenryPacey at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016


Insomniac from Foreignia here. I just want to tell you that watched the roll call and felt good feelings about democracy and progress and everything and I just... I feel good for the USA and about the USA and it's nice. So goodness and niceness to you all!
posted by haapsane at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


FYI, per my conservative family, apparently the Republican complaint about the DNC last night is that there were no American flags on stage, hence, not very American.
posted by snofoam at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016



I have no idea who this person is except I guess her name is Elizabeth Banks and I guess she's famous?



Yeah, you got it.
posted by zutalors! at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


She's in the Hunger Games movies.
posted by lovecrafty at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016


so here's the thing guys you can't actually be a delegate for #bernieorbust you can be a delegate for bernie or you can be a delegate for hillary or you can be an asshole

At some part there's a "bust" part of Bernie or Bust. We've put up with plenty. Get the fuck out already if you're done with the party.
posted by Talez at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Elizabeth Banks is awesome. "Some of you know me from the hunger games, in which I play Effie Trinket, a cruel out of touch reality TV star who wears insane wigs while delivering long winded speeches to a violent dystopia. So when I tuned into Cleveland last week, I was like hey, that's my act!"
posted by Torosaurus at 4:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [114 favorites]


I have moved to the nice cspan feed with the terrible visual quality so I know who people are huzzah.
posted by winna at 4:40 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm getting #DemExit post on my FB feed now, only from 2 people but it's just nuts. They are claiming that 13 million will be dropping their party on Thursday.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 4:40 PM on July 26, 2016


I mean, like, literally stuff from usenet or AOL boards being dug up and used against somebody
Right, but isn't "stuff I published in random lefty newspapers in the late 60s" the old-person version of AOL boards? I don't see why unfortunate AOL-board posts would be any more or less damaging than unfortunate lefty-newspaper columns.

Of course, there are a lot of people who still claim that Michelle Obama's college thesis shows that she hates America, but you know: not a white guy.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:41 PM on July 26, 2016


We're getting a hair retrospective.
posted by winna at 4:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


25 delegates pouting outside, according to this tweet
posted by Tarumba at 4:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This 'children' ad is pretty great.
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow, Jerry Emmett (the 102 year honorary delegate from Arizona) is amazing:
She holds up former president Franklin Delano Roosevelt as the quintessential Democrat, explaining that his New Deal-era political philosophies embody the spirit of what she has always loved about the party, and what she believes the country should return to: "I see nothing wrong with taxes. If I pay five cents on a hundred dollars so that some kid can get food, I think that’s perfectly all right. And I think that’s a Democratic view."
posted by peacheater at 4:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [49 favorites]




The police appear to be crowd-controlling the media tent (not letting more in) where the Bernie or Bust people are staging a sit-in? And the protestors claim they were told they'd be arrested if they didn't put away the Bernie signs? And apparently the Bernie volunteers (not delegates) had their creds revoked for the rest of the week, but the Hillary volunteers were allowed in.

Also why Thursday for #DemExit? You gonna do it, then do.
posted by zennie at 4:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well, less the 90% who are sticking around to vote for HRC. (And it will be a higher percentage than that very soon.)
posted by bearwife at 4:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Social workers and child advocates. I'm going to cry again.
posted by mynameisluka at 4:42 PM on July 26, 2016


SOCIAL WORKERS REPRESENT.
posted by AlexiaSky at 4:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yeap, it's clearly fringe, as the tweet calls it.
posted by Tarumba at 4:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh no poor Anton Moore his mic didn't work for the first several seconds he was speaking.
posted by winna at 4:43 PM on July 26, 2016


Yeah I kinda feel for all of you peeps from Overtheristan who are more or less depending on the US getting it's shit together and not electing a Bright Orange Dumpster Fire as president.

It's like watching the US be willing to roll the dice with the fate of the world because a sizable number of people are afraid of brown and black people.
posted by vuron at 4:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Also why Thursday for #DemExit? You gonna do it, then do.

It's white people so you have to devote a certain amount of time to awareness before you actually do anything.
posted by Talez at 4:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"We must stand up and promote non-violence."
posted by winna at 4:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


We need more occasions for a stadium full of people to cheer social workers.
posted by jason_steakums at 4:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


Fuck yeah. Take on Ableism. FOR real, people, this is soooo legit.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Disability is not a problem to be cured but a part of our identity."
posted by winna at 4:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


At this point, I question the credibility of the walkout group. Isn't this all on periscope? Why no video or anything? I'll be happy to change my opinion if there is actual evidence.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 4:45 PM on July 26, 2016


It's like watching the US be willing to roll the dice with the fate of the world because a sizable number of people are afraid of brown and black people.

"Like"
posted by Pope Guilty at 4:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I still hate the "I'm with her" slogan but we're stuck with it so I'll ignore it rather than grinding my teeth to nubbins. We don't have the luxury of my nitpicks.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh, they are trying to hang in the media tent? Assholes. It's for media, and has very specific resources and space requirements. I'm guessing it's because they want the air conditioning.
posted by tavella at 4:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is powerful. We have an elementary teacher talking about what Hillary Clinton did for Arkansas public schools.
posted by winna at 4:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


The Chelsea Test: If it wasn't good enough for her daughter, it wasn't good enough for any child.
posted by Sophie1 at 4:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm guessing it's because they want the air conditioning.

No they want the exposure.

Also probably the AC.
posted by dersins at 4:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm With Her is pretty great. It's the first time in history that we can say that phrase.
posted by mochapickle at 4:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I once got into the Chicago plantarium for free by arguing with a guy that free day for public service (fire fighters and police) should include social work. Free ticket!

It's not my proudest advocacy moment, but it's the most I've gained from it :p
posted by AlexiaSky at 4:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I don't understand the mindset of someone, no matter how passionate a supporter of Sanders, who can't enjoy the historic moment right now.

One of the worst fights I got into with one of my best friends was the day after the 2008 election, when he was bummed that Obama had been elected - not because he's a Republican or a racist, but because my friend's a super-devoted Green Party member and "but what's the big deal when there's no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans" and I was shrieking "OH MY GOD CAN YOU NOT GIVE THAT A REST FOR JUST A HALF A DAY"....

....we kind of mutually agreed that we should totally avoid discussing politics on days when major political events are happening and we now confine ourselves strictly to discussing puppies and food on those days.

I can't tell you what's behind his mindset if he is grumbling about Hillary, but I can maybe get you his gluten-free carrot cake recipe.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Ooo, "I'm not a Democrat but I'm with her" is good shit.
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


The fact that these are ordinary people with concrete examples is important. They're not polished speakers, but their convictions shine through.
posted by winna at 4:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Compare this to the RNC speakers and presentations. I'm just bowled over and proud.
posted by mochapickle at 4:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh shit. I didn't know the internship spot.
posted by mrzarquon at 4:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well to be fair Pope Guilty I was mainly just referring to the fate of the human species, I'm pretty sure that the Earth would probably be able to survive whatever crap Trump threw at it.
posted by vuron at 4:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"A high cost for low expectations of our kids." This former foster kid attorney makes me want to weep. I'm at work so never mind.
posted by Bella Donna at 4:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I am seen". Loretta Lynch made a phrase for the time. I'm glad it was said towards to trans people first. I'm cool with y'all borrowing it though.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Jelani Freeman, child welfare attorney "[Hillary] said Jelani, I'm proud of you. I felt seen and heard."
posted by winna at 4:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"I'm with Her" is history. This will be in textbooks and American history classes forever. I personally love it.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh my god I already love this woman
posted by showbiz_liz at 4:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


DONNA!
posted by winna at 4:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I've always loved Donna Brazile. Always always.
posted by winna at 4:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


This is going to come across as condescending to Republicans* (I blame the tequila), but I honestly can't understand how anyone could possibly not be on board with this amazingness.

*I have some Republican friends I love and admire very much. They are horrified by Trump.
posted by Superplin at 4:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I'm no spring chicken but I have seen some things." Right there with you, Donna.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


This is the history of Hillary that I don't think enough people know.
posted by mrzarquon at 4:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I lost my cable feed during the roll call and just got it back

What'd I miss
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 4:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


What even is this?

Can someone tell them its over? Hillary is the nominee! DONE. I don't understand these Silenced All My Life taped over their mouths. Did the convention not just tolerate your asses booing at everything? Didn't your leader Bernie himself assure everyone that your votes have been counted?
posted by like_neon at 4:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


As a data point, it seems like four homemade margaritas may be my limit for coherency.
I'm going to count this as research in political communication. I'm sure my dean will be persuaded.
posted by Superplin at 4:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


This portion needs to be required viewing before you enter the voting booth. Hillary Clinton reserved a fucking internship for foster youth, she worked for the Childrens Defense Fund, went undercover in segregated schools in Alabama, she made sure Arkansas schools passed the Chelsea Test. This woman is amazing.
posted by Sophie1 at 4:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [56 favorites]


I lost my cable feed during the roll call and just got it back What'd I miss

History.
posted by zachlipton at 4:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Can't watch because I'm at work, but I'm starting to wish Eurovision votes were announced this way.

Almost the only good thing about the Brexit foofarraw is my anticipation of what a colossal grudge fest the Eurovision will be next year. It will be EPIC.
posted by Jon Mitchell at 4:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, 50 or 100 years from now only historians will probably know anything about Trump.

On the other hand schoolkids will probably be reading in their textbook equivalents about how Obama was the first African American president and Hillary Clinton was the first Woman President.

And 240 years from now some talented artist will probably set some sort of innovative musical exploration of this time period.
posted by vuron at 4:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [45 favorites]


This is going to come across as condescending to Republicans* (I blame the tequila), but I honestly can't understand how anyone could possibly not be on board with this amazingness.

I had this discussion with my husband today. You look at the two parties and one is exclusive, talking about banning people and building walls. Few people of color at the convention. One gay person. No disabled people. Then you look at the inclusion at the DNC and it is very obvious by every storytelling trope I've ever heard of-- we are so obviously the good guys. It couldn't be more clear.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [47 favorites]


Donna Brazile just lit this shit on fire.
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


How did I not know Donna Brazile was this awesome?
posted by dersins at 4:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Dancin' Donna!
posted by mochapickle at 4:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This "Kids, you have a champion," stuff is so gooooood.

I'm really hoping all of this will start to open the eyes of people who've only heard the right-wing crap about Hillary and taken it as truth.
posted by Salieri at 4:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


What even is this?

Gawd, I kept a straight face through the talk about their pain, but the hands on the glass is too much.
posted by ftm at 4:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donna Fucking Brazile. I would stand up and cheer here in my living room but my lap is full of sleeping cat. I did make the cat high-five me, though.
posted by Stacey at 4:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


You wanna know which party agrees that Black Lives Matter?
posted by Annika Cicada at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


All of these personal testimonies are also very good for the BoBs to hear; hopefully they'll feel good about voting for Hillary and will bring their friends/family along.
posted by carmicha at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016


I gotta take a break and pop over to the wine emporium to buy some wine, but I don't wanna, because I don't want to miss anything. I didn't think I'd find the DNC so riveting.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Eagle Academy sounds like it is doing good work, but I am VERY suspicious of anyone who calls himself the CEO of a school.
posted by dersins at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I fucking love Donna Brazile so much!
posted by Sophie1 at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I remember the Clinton Era as a child, because I'm currently 31. I remember Hope Ark as the place to buy watermelon with the Clinton sign and the brief history lecture from my grandparents.

It's really interesting to hear about all the stuff she was doing, as I was not involved in politics but Hillary has really been involved my entire lifetime.
posted by AlexiaSky at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I do suspect that there are some Republicans of conscience that were wondering to themselves during the RNC and asking their friends "Hans, are we the baddies?"
posted by vuron at 4:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [51 favorites]


This is going to come across as condescending to Republicans* (I blame the tequila), but I honestly can't understand how anyone could possibly not be on board with this amazingness.

The central narrative of the US has always been an argument between "amazing things can happen" vs "everything is fucked".

Anyway, Donna Brazile sashaying off the stage FTW.
posted by holgate at 5:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


we are so obviously the good guys. It couldn't be more clear.

Well, if the Republicans were wearing skulls on their hats, it would be a little more clear.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 5:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Damn it, vuron.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 5:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm sitting here in Hawaii with my immigrant wife eating Korean food for lunch and singing "how lucky we are to be alive right now." What's that saying about the arc of history?
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


>> I just looked up Rosa Luxemburg, and I still don't understand what these cosplayers think they are saying

> I'm pretty sure it was a snarky joke about the KPD/SPD dispute and the rise of the Nazis in Germany.


okay so I know this is going pretty far upthread but just to be clear for reals there's a highly upvoted comment on the convention megathread where someone is all "Bernie Sanders has just killed Rosa Luxemberg all over again"

and well as someone who is really devoted to the project of being a leftist self-parody, well, basically it looks like I'm going to have to try harder at it. to you know keep up.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 5:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Looks like the Eagle Academies in New York are "hybrids" that act in some ways like charters but whose teachers are members of the teachers' union. So not quite as bad as it sounds.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


apparently the Republican complaint about the DNC last night is that there were no American flags on stage, hence, not very American.

Politi"Fact" will get right on it and verify. They have no choice because it's out there.
posted by JackFlash at 5:02 PM on July 26, 2016




Good work, young men.
posted by penduluum at 5:03 PM on July 26, 2016


"[Hillary] said Jelani, I'm proud of you. I felt seen and heard."

Okay I know this is super corny but I always think of this Toni Morrisson / Oprah lesson when I hear something like that. Watching this permanently shaped the way I interact with people. I see this as part of why Hillary's "love and kindness" and listening is important.
posted by sallybrown at 5:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Dangit how'm I gonna doa beer run with all this continuous awesome
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well its most likely because trump bought all the flags in the United states for the RNC.
posted by AlexiaSky at 5:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I must say the actors have done the best job of projecting their voices and speaking clearly (Eva Longoria yesterday and Elizabeth Banks today).
posted by peacheater at 5:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


effbot: Could someone explain the Laurie Penny tweet?

Judging from her feed, she's either a full-blown reddit-style bernie conspiracy theorist (ALL BERNIE SUPPORTERS WILL BE ARRESTED! REMEMBER MY WORDS! HILLARY BUSTED!!!), or just doing her best to emulate one.


Just for clarification: Laurie Penny is a journalist. She wrote that incredible profile of the guy banned from twitter for the Leslie Jones harassment campaign:

I’m With The Banned: What my evening with Milo told me about Twitter’s biggest troll, the death of reason, and the crucible of A-list con-men that is the Republican National Convention.


I think it should be required reading for the election season. I don't know her personal politics regarding Bernie, however.

Sorry this is semi-off topic. Just wanted to clarify who she was.
posted by bluecore at 5:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I think of all the people who would rightly feel terrorized by a Trump presidency, and think this has to look to them like a place of sanity and refuge.
posted by argybarg at 5:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm not crying.
posted by Sophie1 at 5:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


you are thinking correctly argybarg
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm so annoyed that it's moving day and I'm dealing with late-ass movers who are already an hour late and I'm going to miss class tonight... but maybe it's a good night to get some cold beers and unpack while I cry to some speeches?
posted by palomar at 5:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I think of all the people who would rightly feel terrorized by a Trump presidency, and think this has to look to them like a place of sanity and refuge.

Oh, man, this is me. The RNC left me terrified and I am so heartened and hopeful because of the personal testimonials and the happy and diverse faces.
posted by mochapickle at 5:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


"Donald, did you hear me? An already great nation."
posted by zombieflanders at 5:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


I love how they keep hammering the Already Great thing.
posted by Mooski at 5:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I love you AG Holder!
posted by sallybrown at 5:08 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh I am not onboard with the valorization of the police no matter that I understand why it's politically necessary.
posted by winna at 5:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is powerful. We have an elementary teacher talking about what Hillary Clinton did for Arkansas public schools.

Why teachers unions hated Hillary Clinton when she was in Arkansas.
posted by ennui.bz at 5:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yes! Real law enforcement is not a prerogative of the Right. Fairness and a sense of community are good for police and community residents.

Man it is hard to type when tipsy.I know most of you learned this lesson years ago.
posted by Superplin at 5:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Holder is at least balancing the message with the truth about the racial disparities in sentencing.
posted by winna at 5:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]



>> I just looked up Rosa Luxemburg, and I still don't understand what these cosplayers think they are saying

> I'm pretty sure it was a snarky joke about the KPD/SPD dispute and the rise of the Nazis in Germany.

okay so I know this is going pretty far upthread but just to be clear for reals there's a highly upvoted comment on the convention megathread where someone is all "Bernie Sanders has just killed Rosa Luxemberg all over again"


I really thought this was just a clever joke on your part and I'm a little concerned that we now need a Poe's Law equivalent for the left wing.
posted by dis_integration at 5:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


We need to embrace these Bernie people. They are sad, so they are acting up. Respect and affection and appreciation for their sincerity, work and ideals is the best medicine.

Also, this is a great review of HRC's rather awesome history of working for social justice.
posted by bearwife at 5:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


But what do they want to happen?
posted by ftm at 5:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Award for calling a spade a spade: Admitting the continuing influence of Jim Crow.
posted by mochapickle at 5:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


YOU TURN 18, YOU'RE REGISTERED TO VOTE.
posted by Mooski at 5:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I wish Holder had been more emphatic: "Crime is down. You have been lied to. In fact, last week was a festival of lies."
posted by angrycat at 5:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Re the teachers unions from the linked article: "Hillary assiduously courted and won the endorsement of the two big teacher unions this year: the AFT and the NEA. She’s disappointed liberals in the education reform movement by trashing charter schools, of which she used to be supportive. The Wall Street Journal editorial board last week accused her of being bought off: “Mrs. Clinton’s charter reversal suggests her Education Department would be a wholly owned union subsidiary.”"

I loathe the charter school movement, so the fact that it appears that Clinton has changed her mind on education reform to reject them since the late eighties seems like good news to me.
posted by winna at 5:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [63 favorites]


I'm not okay saying America is great, because there are many nations who do lots better than us in some very important metrics.

But I'm okay with calling the other partys fear mongering fiction.
posted by AlexiaSky at 5:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


But what do they want to happen?

They want the nomination taken away from Clinton and given to Sanders, because fuck democracy apparently.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


So my moms is a big-deal, very vocal advocate on GMO/farming/legislation. Describes herself as "the last of the flower children." An idealist, with the highest hopes and the lowest tolerance for the less-than-ideal. And I think that after the decades of fighting, and decades of disappointment (lookin at you, 1980-2008), she's more than earned it.

And I called her today when I went to grab some lunch (as one does) because I needed someone to bounce my teary, amazed reaction to Michelle's speech last night off of. And she was very, very in the Bernie camp. And brought up that Michael Moore, as pointed out already, said it's over, Trump already won. So I had to remind her that MM said that about Romney, too, which she wasn't aware of. She's pissed off about it all, and she's been disappointed by Obama (which, haven't we all? But, I mean, give me a viable alternative! and I get that. I also can't say that there's any way in the fucking world I'd vote for anyone else right now, regardless how I feel about it. This convention has just been incredible-- they came out of the gate so strong that I don't know how they're going to maintain the momentum, but they absolutely needed to stack the lineup like they did last night. I hope that it only builds from there.

Moms didn't, doesn't, and won't want Hillary to be president. I don't know whether she's gonna vote Green or just abstain. I KNOW HILL'S NOT PERFECT. And you know what? Compared to how far from ideal our presidents since, I dunno, way before I was born have been, I think I can at least feel good, having seen all of these beautiful people coming together, saying that I'll vote for her and feel good about it.

I dunno where I'm going with this, other than saying thank you, all of you. I didn't know how much I needed this.
posted by rp at 5:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Although I agree with Langston Hughes that America is not what we were sold, it could be great. Parts of it are great. I don't see anything wrong with us saying it's great as long as we don't pretend it's the only great place and work to make it better.
posted by winna at 5:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm not okay saying America is great, because there are many nations who do lots better than us in some very important metrics.

America need not be the best to be great. There's always something to strive for.
posted by Mooski at 5:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


> But what do they want to happen?

The collapse of the democratic party and its replacement with a left/worker's party. or something.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 5:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I wish he hadn't said "communities of color" instead of just communities.
posted by rp at 5:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Cameron McLay, police chief of Pittsburgh, speaking about the importance of police reform.
posted by winna at 5:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am super late to this party tonight but I have been sobbing over this so I am gonna need a minute more
posted by Hermione Granger at 5:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I loathe the charter school movement, so the fact that it appears that Clinton has changed her mind on education reform to reject them since the late eighties seems like good news to me.

My mom's a retired elementary school teacher, who now is a substitute elementary school teacher. She's taught people as kids and taught their kids. People often say she was the best teacher they ever had, including high school and college.

I believe every kid in the United States should have an excellent, free K-12 education.
posted by kirkaracha at 5:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Sell Out again!
posted by sideshow at 5:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


By the time you’re old enough to run, we will already have had a few women as President.

Yeah, it was going to be any day. The ERA too.
posted by bongo_x at 5:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


They're convinced they were cheated. Given that they are over 18 I don't understand why we need to keep coddling them. Adopting Bernie's positions for the platform yes, but these Bernie or Busters are not actual children and should probably stop acting like them.
posted by zutalors! at 5:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Why teachers unions hated Hillary Clinton when she was in Arkansas.

For those who didn't care to read: because her husband, in 1983, supported a proposal that mandated teacher testing.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


BTW, to those ska fans in yesterday's thread, the trombone player in Reel Big Fish confirmed it was Sell Out and not The Impression That I Get by The Bosstones.
posted by sideshow at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I am now feeling the frustration my parents felt when I was a 22 year old clueless but loud purple haired trotskyist.
posted by Tarumba at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


If it helps, you can think of America as being great in the way that Kellogg's Frosted Flakes are great.
posted by drezdn at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


These conventions are the starkest example of "Democrats want to fall in love, Republicans want to fall in line" that I can remember.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


We're having a massive thunderstorm right now and if my power goes out ima scream to the heavens.
posted by winna at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wouldn't it be neat if instead of voting for a person every 4 years, we voted for a party or parties, then those parties formed a proportional government, and elected or appointed a prime minister? Golly, that would be swell!
posted by vrakatar at 5:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


They've been plenty embraced. They weren't kicked out despite being rude assholes who shouted over every minority and woman speaker the first day. The convention could not have been more gracious about allowing them to express their feelings about Bernie during the roll call, and they responded by deciding to walk out and then hang around and whine about how oppressed they were. Because a democratic (in both senses) vote didn't go their way.

They are exactly as argybarg described and predicted.
posted by tavella at 5:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]




I'm happy with the focus on the justice system, but I'd love to hear someone talk about un-privatizing the prison system.
posted by Mooski at 5:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


But I don't think this convention is fucked. It's spiffing so far.
posted by argybarg at 5:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


re: Sell Out - You gotta admit it's damn energetic song though.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Y'all get out your Kleenex - it's the mothers of the movement segment.
posted by winna at 5:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I remember the Clinton Era as a child, because I'm currently 31.

*kills self*
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Ok I'm tuning out of the live feed. I can't take this. What strong amazing women.
posted by peacheater at 5:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm not okay saying America is great, because there are many nations who do lots better than us in some very important metrics.

Being great doesn't mean being the best, it means aspiring--and striving--to be the best.
posted by dersins at 5:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Was that last guy the villain from Ghost?
posted by gehenna_lion at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I want people to stop hating one another."
posted by winna at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Shit guys, my housemate is watching with me and I am not comfortable sobbing in front of him what do i do
posted by kalimac at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Had to change to CSPAN. Stupid MSNBC brought in Al Sharpton to talk about listening to the mothers of the struggle, while the DNC is playing the video of the mothers of the struggle actually talking. Talk about getting it wrong.
posted by cashman at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Shitfire, here come the tears again.
posted by Mooski at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Then you look at the inclusion at the DNC and it is very obvious by every storytelling trope I've ever heard of-- we are so obviously the good guys. It couldn't be more clear.

It depends on if you believe the world is a zero sum game or not. To a certain mindset, anyone promoting anyone but them means they are getting fucked. So they see brown people and the disabled and women and think "those people are not like me, therefore anything good that happens to them is bad for me."

I don't exactly know what the root cause of this divide in thought is, but it's pretty clearly a difference between conservatives and liberals.
posted by threeturtles at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Some of you know me from the hunger games, in which I play Effie Trinket, a cruel out of touch reality TV star who wears insane wigs while delivering long winded speeches to a violent dystopia. So when I tuned into Cleveland last week, I was like hey, that's my act!"

I mean, it's a good joke, but Effie Trinket is hardly cruel. She just really likes mahogany.
posted by wabbittwax at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Oh lord they're singing and putting up the ages and names of the slain. I'm crying.
posted by winna at 5:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


My god. Just lifetimes of sadness up there.
posted by cashman at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


God, the courage to stand on that stage right now.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


DONNA!

I'm not watching yet because 30 block bus ride home but I thought this was Donna from the West Wing and got kinda sad when it was Donna Brazile instead but I guess she did good so
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


vrakatar: Wouldn't it be neat if instead of voting for a person every 4 years, we voted for a party or parties, then those parties formed a proportional government, and elected or appointed a prime minister? Golly, that would be swell!

I spent most of my adult life under this sort of government (in Italy), and I can tell you that it is not necessarily swell. It can lead to decades of musical chairs of the exact same people in charge, just in different roles, as their parties form governing coalitions that take control of policy. I share everyone's frustrations with our US system, but it's not as though there's a simple panacea.
posted by Superplin at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


LET IT OUT Kalimac!
posted by bird internet at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This mothers video is making me cry again, jesus
posted by dis_integration at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016


Hearing this entire convention shout "Black Lives Matter" MATTERS.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [50 favorites]


I am so sorry these women lost their children.
posted by zutalors! at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm not okay saying America is great, because there are many nations who do lots better than us in some very important metrics.

Great meaning large or immense, we use it in the pejorative sense!
posted by palindromic at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Pure grace, these women.
posted by mochapickle at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


The GOP had the mother of vilerat (who probably would have hated what she said), the Democrats have these women. Amazing contrast.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


God damn. I want everyone to fucking watching this.
posted by mrzarquon at 5:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


this is unreal. these women. oh my god
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Went to the pizza spot after the roll call vote. Saw a twentysomething get the news of Clinton's nomination and drop her phone in disgust, saying "I'm not voting" then telling her friend that she doesn't "support dictators" and that Hillary is "you know, a kind of a dictator" then her friend pointed out my shirt to her and she piped down. Towards the end of their chat, I heard her saying "... well, I might start showing up for school board."

Ugh, I dunno. Disappoinment hurts. I hope she watches the actual optics of the moment later on.

I am now feeling the frustration my parents felt when I was a 22 year old clueless but loud purple haired trotskyist.


... yeeaaahh, little bit.
posted by EatTheWeek at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh god, Sandra Bland's mother is such a MOM, addressing the crowd. This is amazing.
posted by Salieri at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Sandra Bland's mom is speaking.

"Give me two moments to let me tell you how good God is."

I grew up in this kind of church and while I'm an atheist it still moves me at a fundamental level.
posted by winna at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


OMG Sandra Bland's mom
posted by angrycat at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh I have such goosebumps.
posted by chatongriffes at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016


.
posted by AlexiaSky at 5:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just heard that Commonwealth police officers are planning a protest of Somerville City Hall's Black Lives Matter banner. What the hell is wrong with people. Boston, am disappointed again.
posted by peacheater at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Shit guys, my housemate is watching with me and I am not comfortable sobbing in front of him what do i do

I live commented a full-on in-public meltdown a couple threads back and I'm still here so, you know, do what you need to do.
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Was that last guy the villain from Ghost?

Yes, Tony Goldwyn has made a career of being "that guy" villain but it turns out he's a kind hearted human and spokesman for AmeriCares once the camera is off.
posted by cmfletcher at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"What a blessing to be standing here tonight so that Sandy can still speak, through her mama."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


"A life cut short is a NATIONAL loss."
posted by mochapickle at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


"What a blessing it is to be standing here so that Sandy can still speak through her mama."
posted by zachlipton at 5:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"So that Sandy can still speak through her momma." Aaaand here come the tears.
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 5:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"What a blessing that tonight Sandy can still speak, through her mama."
posted by winna at 5:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy shit. Geneva Reed-Veal can SPEAK.
posted by schmod at 5:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh my gosh, Sandra was so like her mother. If you watch the videos of Sandra talking about her thoughts on Black Lives Matter...she is her mother's daughter.

Bless these women.
posted by sallybrown at 5:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


"You don't stop being a mom when your son dies. I am still Jordan Davis's mother."
posted by zachlipton at 5:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


"I am still Jordan Davis' mother." -- Lucia McBath
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:28 PM on July 26, 2016


"You don't stop being a mom when your child dies. I am still Jordan Davis' mother."
posted by winna at 5:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


yeah bawling at this is probably the sane reaction rn
posted by rorgy at 5:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I am still Jordan Davis' mother"
posted by palindromic at 5:28 PM on July 26, 2016


How can they even, this is not my tragedy and I am bawling.

Strong women, beautiful children. This is sad but so necessary.
posted by Tarumba at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I lived in fear that my son would die like this."
posted by winna at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Damn Lucia McBath is good at this she should run for something.
posted by dis_integration at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


If there's anyone in that whole goddamn convention hall who has the right to burn it all to the ground, it would be these women. And yet they're standing here talking to all of us with such grace and dignity and I am humbled.
posted by Salieri at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [79 favorites]


As an ex-ska kid, I've gotta say it's hilarious that people are reading into the meaning of Sell Out.
posted by defenestration at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Hillary Clinton isn't afraid to say that Black lives matter."
posted by winna at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hey walker outters, don't worry about respecting these women. Just focus on adjusting the rake of your craft store Robin Hood hat.
posted by ftm at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


I love that they are panning to the black people in the audience. We need to see their pain.
posted by Tarumba at 5:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"We're going to keep telling our children's stories, and we're going to ask you to keep saying their names."
posted by winna at 5:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sorry about the timing of my post... I'm on the train so I cannot watch right now, and this thread is moving very fast.
posted by defenestration at 5:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I am an unwilling participant in this movement. "- Sybrina Fulton, mother of Trayvon.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


I hope the #busters who walked out feel like assholes right now for missing this
posted by dersins at 5:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Holy god this convention's gonna kill me.
posted by rp at 5:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


"I am an unwilling participant in this movement. I would not have signed up for this, or any other mother standing here today. But I am here today for my son Trayvon, who is in heaven."
posted by winna at 5:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


"She has the courage to lead the fight for common sense gun legislation."
posted by winna at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016


i'm going to go to bat for laurie penny as well. not sure about her viewpoint regarding bernie and the u.s. election but she is really good on issues regarding people at the margins and making this world a better place. also a very good and engaging writer.
posted by lescour at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"This isn't about being politically correct. This is about saving our children." YES YES YES
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [47 favorites]


"This isn't about being politically correct, this is about saving our children."
posted by zombieflanders at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


"This is not about being politically correct. This is about saving our children."

YES
posted by winna at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"This isn't about being politically correct. This is about saving our children." Sybrina Fulton
posted by mochapickle at 5:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Just focus on adjusting the rake of your craft store Robin Hood hat.

Ugh, yeah, now I see it. Legit thought they were going for Peter Pan.
posted by EatTheWeek at 5:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was amazing. That could have been the whole night.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Those women awe and humble me.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Oh my God these women

these women
posted by schadenfrau at 5:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Eeeeeeeee Andra Day went to my high school!!!!
posted by mynameisluka at 5:33 PM on July 26, 2016


Now there is a percussion group to cover the sobs everyone is making.
posted by winna at 5:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Not working.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Forget about policy for a minute. Can you imagine Donald Trump meeting with any one of these women? Can you imagine them coming away from an interaction with him where they felt he was at all a positive force in their lives?
posted by zachlipton at 5:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [38 favorites]


PRODUCTION VALUES, folks. RNC, this is how it's done. Ridic.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Re the hats: They think they're cosplaying Robin Hood but they're actually living out Peter Pan.
posted by dogrose at 5:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


The only ONLY reason America is great is that these mothers can have children killed by the worst part of it and stand up and say it is still great.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I hope the #busters who walked out feel like assholes right now for missing this

A lot of them apparently planned to come back for this, that was part of their plan. At least some realized how awful the Elijah Cummings moment was yesterday.
posted by zachlipton at 5:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Andra Day! My GF runs pro for a makeup brand and is pals with her and her makeup artist. I met her at the El Rey a few months ago, and my GF provided the makeup she is wearing right now.
posted by sideshow at 5:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I just hope people who are new to these women research them.
posted by zutalors! at 5:36 PM on July 26, 2016


seriously I am getting dehydrated
posted by mochapickle at 5:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I don't know how any voter, anywhere, after seeing a fraction of this convention, can remain undecided.
posted by klarck at 5:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


They think they're cosplaying Robin Hood but they're actually living out Peter Pan.

I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up
Not me!
I don't want to wear a tie.
And a serious expression
In the middle of July.
And if it means I must prepare
To shoulder burdens with a worried air
posted by AndrewInDC at 5:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I mean this. All of this. This is what [will] make[s] America great [again].
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 5:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also, I just asked my elderly dad who he was going to vote for. And he said he was thinking about voting for the lady but everybody seemed to be against her. I asked him to vote for her anyway and just not tell the rest of the family.

I posted something on facebook about the convention last night and a liberal friend of mine came in with a rant about Hillary and doesn't understand why she's been nominated because it seems like everyone hates her (including my friend). I mean, obviously this is not the case, but this is the perception of SO many people, and it's a problem.

I have another friend who was an early Bernie supporter and turned away from his campaign early on because she was disgusted at all the harassment she got online from some of the bros. Ever since then, she's been outspoken and PUBLIC about her support for Hillary - she was (and is) pretty much my only friend to do so, though I know there were others who supported Hillary. She says she's gotten lots of messages from other women on facebook who support Hillary and are glad she's speaking up, because they don't want to for whatever reason. So because so many supporters have chosen to not be vocal because of the HILLARY IS THE LITERAL DEVIL drumbeat, the negative press outweighs the positive by multitudes. I read somewhere yesterday that the press coverage of her that's negative is something like 83%, which is like double that of Trump. In what fucking world does it happen that Hillary gets worse coverage than Fuckface Von Clownstick???

I think we Hillary supporters really need to work to counteract that. We need to put positive news about her out there, talk about all the good she's done. We need to create an environment where it's okay to like Hillary and people won't feel like literal monsters for doing so. Because so many people - from the left and the right - have made it into a shameful thing and it absolutely isn't. A vote for Hillary can absolutely be an affirmative vote for positive change, it doesn't need to be reduced to "she's not Trump". Having to hide your vote from the rest of the family is insane. If you aren't already, start speaking out about your support for her, and why you support her. We really are stronger together.
posted by triggerfinger at 5:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [52 favorites]


These Women from the West Wing.

This is one of those moments where real life just blew Sorkin out of the water. These women!
posted by cmfletcher at 5:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I can't say it enough, the production values present in this versus the RNC really highlight exactly what Trump is. All the bluster and gloating about how he will get the best people for the job, and the RNC ended up looking so much worse than the DNC.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I've been backstage ugly crying" E Banks i have no idea what you mean DON'T LOOK AT ME
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 5:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]




New Bad Lip Reading: Cruz talks Trump.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 5:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


What are you saying? Those weird, long musical interludes and stilted speakers were the BEST weird, long musical interludes and stilted speakers. Just huge.
posted by mochapickle at 5:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


They're putting anti-women quotes juxtaposed with women and I'm so angry and sad because it's my whole life in a snippet.
posted by winna at 5:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


So I'm sitting the tv coverage out for this one, so far. Thank you mefites for reassuring me that things are mostly ok. Trump and his people want this election to be about personalities, the left has to show that it is about priorities, policy, and possibilities.
posted by vrakatar at 5:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Cecil Richards! My jam!!!!
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


When I think about the possibility of losing my children, I can't imagine doing anything other than going to bed and staying there forever. These women are amazing. They've lost their children, they have to watch the media vilify them as "thugs," and they're probably going to be the focus of some disgusting partisan racist asshole shitlord attacks as a result of speaking out today. And they did so anyway, and they were beautiful, and I am humbled by their strength.
posted by bibliowench at 5:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


"This election is not about electing the first woman president. It's about electing this woman president."

Cecile Richards, Planned Parenthood President.
posted by winna at 5:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


I'm kind of feeling some bitter cakes at my armchair-radical partner for not being at all interested in watching this. (Rest assured, he will be frog-marched to the polls in November to push the Hillary button--I do that to him every election.) Neither of us are centrists or moderates but one of us is too cool for school about participating in the system we have even though it's not the system we want.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Seh-seal...
posted by Captain l'escalier at 5:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


And 240 years from now some talented artist will probably set some sort of innovative musical exploration of this time period.

The Donald's hair will be played by an intelligent slime mold from Tau Ceti XIIII.
posted by y2karl at 5:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yeah, detaching for a moment from the content alone, the organization of these first two days and the way they make it move along has been phenomenally ultracompetent. I'm tuning into way more of this than I was expecting when I turned it on two hours ago.

I know the point is to sell Hillary Clinton to me, but, skepticism aside, they are doing one heck of a job making me feel thrilled to vote for her. I wasn't anticipating feeling this enthusiastic a month or even a week ago.
posted by rorgy at 5:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


"Come this November, women are going to be a lot more than an inconvenience."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


"Come this November women are going to be a lot more than an incovenenience because women will be the reason you're not going to be elected President."
posted by zachlipton at 5:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [43 favorites]


GET IT, CECILE.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I need "A lot more than an inconvenience" on a shirt right now
posted by Hermione Granger at 5:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Women are going to be the reason you're not elected President.
posted by palindromic at 5:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Well it sure took y'all long enough." Cecile Richards for Ann Richards
posted by mochapickle at 5:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I was kind of dreading this "Hollywood" speech tbh but they're doing a great job.
posted by sallybrown at 5:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"All ur faves are problematic" /me waves at Lena Dunham
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ohhhhh

Lena you're on my good list for the first time in your liiiiifeee
posted by Hermione Granger at 5:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Nothing makes me feel like I'm living in the future more than using my son's Xbox to get to Youtube on my TV to use channels that don't have commercials or bloviating heads between the speeches.

It's pretty rad.
posted by emjaybee at 5:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Texans, where is Wendy Davis and that champion fillabuster heart these days?
posted by cmfletcher at 5:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Laura Bush?
posted by bird internet at 5:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


America Ferrera - "My talents were nurtured through public arts programs."

YES
posted by winna at 5:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


I don't know why America Ferrera is the one who made me cry but here we are.
posted by zutalors! at 5:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Even Andrew Sullivan, who never misses a chance to accuse Hillary and the DNC of pandering, was pretty blown away by the Mothers of the Movement.
posted by argybarg at 5:49 PM on July 26, 2016


A few months back, one of my coworkers sent on an anti-immigrant pro-Trump rant in Facebook. We work in education so we got a ton of complaints. Our boss called this person in and, long story short, decided that no employees should be sharing political opinions on social media. So far that's been limited to presidential election talk. None the less, I've been very cautious about what I share as a result.

I did, however, just share "The Schuyler Sisters" with the "How lucky we are to be alive right now" quote. I hope it makes my point without getting me busted.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Laura Bush was kinda always a closet Democrat.
posted by Andrhia at 5:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Lena Dunham and America Ferreira are being really awesome and not at all shitty and that is the opposite of what I was fearing.
posted by rorgy at 5:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Great move pairing Lena Dunham with someone very likeable. I mean I personally appreciate her art but, she's not like, someone who unites.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's great to have two women bash Trump. Trump must want to tweet about Dunham so badly right now. Take the bait, Donald, lash out like the wee man child you are.
posted by angrycat at 5:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]




Lena, we're good. I take back all the shit I talked on Twitter.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


If anyone can take shitty comments about her (gorgeous) body, it's Lena Dunham.
posted by zutalors! at 5:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Okay, mandolin conspiracy, another instant sob from me. Good lord.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Y'all's liveblogging of this is one billion percent better - more informative, more honest in reaction, more entertainingly snarky - than anyplace else I've looked at. Thank you. I owe you all a great debt because I would never be able to watch all of this (DNC or RNC) live without throwing my television out the window.
posted by rtha at 5:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


Laura Bush?

I've been afraid to spread around news about Republicans leaning toward Clinton for the sake of stopping Trump, because I haven't wanted to hear any shit about how it "proves" she's really just a Republican.

Hopefully after the convention we'll hear less of that nonsense. The Republicans who have vocally abandoned and scorned Trump to the point of leaning toward Clinton are one of the most uplifting things I've seen this year. God knows I'd be doing the same if the situation was reversed and the Democrats were nominating a great big orange basket of existential threats to the country.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 5:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


God dammit, mandolin conspiracy, I just got my emotions under control and now I'm a mess again. That was lovely.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:54 PM on July 26, 2016


The line about not caring what TV celebrities think about politics, transitioning to the beautiful shade of 'But we have to face facts - Donald Trump is the Republican candidate for President.' (paraphrased)
posted by palindromic at 5:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Lena Dunham is someone who is very well-known and polarizing among media and media-savvy types and who I think is not very well known among anyone else. I literally don't know anyone who watches Girls. I don't think most viewers are going to know who she is, let alone realize that she's polarizing.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The chef lives in an RV! I feel fucking represented after this three winters in a 32' sprinter!
posted by stet at 5:55 PM on July 26, 2016


Almost every lady I know watches Girls.
posted by zutalors! at 5:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's being reported that advanced text isn't being provided to the press for President Clinton (42)'s speech.
posted by glhaynes at 5:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


My mom definitely will not be voting Trump, but I don't see her voting Hillary either. That's fine. Usually our votes cancel each other out, this year I get a +1.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Sugar and spice are nice, but courage, intelligence and the will to lead - that's what women are made of."
posted by jason_steakums at 5:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


wow, I'm out of favorites. that hasn't happened since the limit was raised.
posted by zutalors! at 5:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Girls, or as I call it, Kylo Ren: The Early Years.
posted by Artw at 5:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


God dammit, mandolin conspiracy, I just got my emotions under control and now I'm a mess again. That was lovely.

Except for certain of the comments. Man, them are some sore losers. Is Twitter always like that ?
posted by y2karl at 5:57 PM on July 26, 2016


Boxer walks out to Eye of the Tiger. Nice.
posted by dirigibleman at 5:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


42 gonna extemporize.
posted by wabbittwax at 5:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Girls, or as I call it, Adam and The Women.
posted by zutalors! at 5:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Do the speakers get to pick their own walkout music? I hope so.
posted by zachlipton at 5:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm 'a compel him to include women in the sequel
posted by stet at 5:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Barbara Boxer coming out to "Eye of the Tiger." Touché, music team.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Happy to see my mayor out there but that speech was kinda weak sauce in its company.
posted by ftm at 5:59 PM on July 26, 2016


People are lonely because they build walls instead of bridges.
posted by ThreeCatsBob at 5:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tarumba: How can they even, this is not my tragedy and I am bawling.

I'm only reading the text of this thread and I'm tearing up.

And this is everyone's tragedy. While it my not be your or my tragedy personally, those mothers and their children are just as much a part of our nation as anyone else, and their tragedy is not theirs alone. They carry the worst of it, but it is a tragedy for all of us that it. keeps. happening.
posted by filthy light thief at 5:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


How do these delegates have any voices left? I feel like I've got sympathetic sore throat and I've only been virtually screaming.
posted by Salieri at 6:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


A few months back, one of my coworkers sent on an anti-immigrant pro-Trump rant in Facebook. We work in education so we got a ton of complaints. Our boss called this person in and, long story short, decided that no employees should be sharing political opinions on social media.

If it's a public school, how is that not a direct violation of first amendment rights?
posted by Mitrovarr at 6:00 PM on July 26, 2016


Happy to see my mayor out there but that speech was kinda weak sauce in its company.

I dunno, I thought it was nice? They can't all be barn burners.
posted by winna at 6:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The last time we all gathered here: Obama Wins Presidential Nomination

Reading this and I realize three fundamental truths at the exact same time.

(1) Some of the parallels are eerie.
(2) We're all lousy at predictions.
(3) Damn, we were good looking.
posted by rokusan at 6:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Y'all's liveblogging of this is one billion percent better - more informative, more honest in reaction, more entertainingly snarky - than anyplace else I've looked at.

Seconding. I was pretty vocally anti-liveblog and I still sorta am, but I really did not give you all the credit you deserve.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 6:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


They hand out slippery elm bark like licorice sticks. (Just kidding I have no idea how they keep their voices)
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:01 PM on July 26, 2016


"They've thrown everything at her, and she's. still. standing."
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 6:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Toaster stew!
posted by One Second Before Awakening at 6:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Barbara Boxer coming out to "Eye of the Tiger." Touché, music team.

In Rocky Balboa's hometown, no less.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


For whatever reason, the feed I am watching seems to be about a minute behind what many others are watching, so it seems that mefites' hot takes on memorable lines or music cues are like eerily accurate psychic predictions.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


We need to create an environment where it's okay to like Hillary and people won't feel like literal monsters for doing so. Because so many people - from the left and the right - have made it into a shameful thing and it absolutely isn't.

Yes. Yes. Yes!

I'm old enough and cynical enough to believe that you don't get to the higher echelons of politics without engaging in at least a few morally questionable activities. But I've been qualifying my support for Hillary for the past year, even though I don't see how she's any worse than Gore*, Kerry, Bill, or Obama - all the people I've supported in the past. I've actually had to force myself to stop apologizing for supporting her, and I'm trying to replace those apologies with enthusiasm because there is no logical reason that I should be more ashamed of voting for her than I would be for anyone else I've voted for since I was able to.

And now that I'm paying attention to it, I'm finding that everyone around me is reluctant to endorse her without groaning about it - even my super awesome, intelligent, liberal husband - and I'm sick of it. I'm getting a Hillary bumper sticker, t-shirt, and button, and I am going to stop giving a fuck about how people are going to react. And since I live in a right-wing, theocratic hellhole, I'm assuming a lot of these reactions are not going to be pleasant.

Bring it, fuckers. I am so done with this shit.

* Ok, so I voted for Nader in 2000 because I was an idealistic idiot and lived in California, so I figured I had a free pass. I still blame myself for the next 8 years, though.
posted by bibliowench at 6:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [51 favorites]


We're using our magical pocket watches to fast forward to important bits.
posted by winna at 6:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It was great, he's just in some really amazing company!
posted by ftm at 6:03 PM on July 26, 2016


For whatever reason, the feed I am watching seems to be about a minute behind what many others are watching, so it seems that mefites' hot takes on memorable lines or music cues are like eerily accurate psychic predictions.

Mine too.
posted by zutalors! at 6:03 PM on July 26, 2016


White women make .79$. It's much worse for women of color. I don't even want to get started on trans women.
posted by stet at 6:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


richochet, does your feed have the word LIVE next to the volume with a red dot?
posted by mochapickle at 6:04 PM on July 26, 2016


The "work full time means you shouldn't live in poverty" is a pretty ableist statement everyone. I'm not down with that at all. Define honest work in a way that gives disabled people a lift from the struggles of poverty too and we're cool. I just wanna call that out though.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


It might be shallow but Boxer is wearing a fabulous outfit.
posted by winna at 6:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


triggerfinger: Also, I just asked my elderly dad who he was going to vote for. And he said he was thinking about voting for the lady but everybody seemed to be against her. I asked him to vote for her anyway and just not tell the rest of the family.

My parents-in-law are generally Republicans, and my mother-in-law is on Team Hillary Hate (for ... reasons?).

Then there was the RNC convention.

And then they watched the first night of the DNC convention. Afterwords, they talked to my wife and said they were going to vote for the Dems.
posted by filthy light thief at 6:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


The wrong Californian senator is retiring.
posted by entropicamericana at 6:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Jeez, Boxer was Senator for 23 years ? Man, I am old.
posted by y2karl at 6:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is the 9/11 survivors portion, and I think it's going to be brutal.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:05 PM on July 26, 2016


RNC: Shitty things happen, and we are angry and blame folks.
DNC: Shitty things happen, and we are in awe of Americans.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [43 favorites]


The "work full time means you shouldn't live in poverty" is a pretty ableist statement everyone. I'm not down with that at all. Define honest work in a way that gives disabled people a lift from the struggles of poverty too and we're cool. I just wanna call that out though.

As someone who has worked since 16 and now may possibly never work full-time again, I appreciate this.
posted by mochapickle at 6:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


DIAF Giuliani, DIAF
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


YES the ratfucking of Rudy.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


If it's a public school, how is that not a direct violation of first amendment rights?

It's not a public school.
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:09 PM on July 26, 2016


The "work full time means you shouldn't live in poverty" is a pretty ableist statement everyone

It's an effective statement to fend off cries about "welfare queens" exploiting the system at the most base level. More than that, it's an affirmative statement. Someone who works a full time job should be earning a living wage. That is a statement which does not exclude or preclude any form of benefits to support the disabled.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Uh, "Live and Let Die" may not have been the best musical choice there.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Seriously do not agree with "Live and Let Die" to introduce a 9/11 first responder.
posted by palindromic at 6:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I'm not a huge fan of the NYPD all the time, but I, too, remember what the air tasted and smelled like. The guys who gave their lives down there are as heroic as anyone.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I actually have a friend who has been battling cancer off and on since she was a volunteer responder who worked Ground Zero. I know who she's voting for.
posted by emjaybee at 6:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why is Joss Whedon addressing the convention? Is it a Buffy thing?
posted by stet at 6:11 PM on July 26, 2016


The "work full time means you shouldn't live in poverty" is a pretty ableist statement everyone

Speeches aren't 100 page policy documents. They're not going to be able to cover for every single possible permutation.
posted by Mitrovarr at 6:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"A lot of people moved on, they thought everything was fine, but Hillary Clinton kept in touch."
posted by winna at 6:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Spot the difference
posted by zombieflanders at 6:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


The "work full time means you shouldn't live in poverty" is a pretty ableist statement

I think that's an uncharitable take on it -- if a person works full time, they should be able to live above the poverty line and do so without additional government assistance. That's what a living wage is about.

For people unable to work full time due to disability, or any other factor, they should be able live above the poverty line and receive their rightful government assistance without undue procedural burdens.

(Edited for clarity: apologies for all of the nested negatives before.)
posted by chimaera at 6:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Could someone explain the Laurie Penny tweet?

Judging from her feed, she's either a full-blown reddit-style bernie conspiracy theorist (ALL BERNIE SUPPORTERS WILL BE ARRESTED! REMEMBER MY WORDS! HILLARY BUSTED!!!), or just doing her best to emulate one.

Just for clarification: Laurie Penny is a journalist. She wrote that incredible profile of the guy banned from twitter for the Leslie Jones harassment campaign


Previous posts about Penny.
posted by homunculus at 6:15 PM on July 26, 2016


Laura Manning, 9/11 survivor - "In the darkest days and hardest times the people who show up are the ones that mean everything."
posted by winna at 6:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Just catching up on Pittsburgh's police chief and a) omg he's such a dork and b) he's been doing a very difficult job here--our police department is fucked up--but I respect him enormously.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Well that woman ruled
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I was gone for a bit then just tuned back in time for that last speaker. Who was she? That was fucking strong.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 6:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"They were supposed to be off duty that day."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well that woman ruled

I'll just rt this every few minutes
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Lauren Manning, one of the most injured people to survive 9/11.
posted by palindromic at 6:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's my elderly dad who said he was thinking about voting for the lady but everybody seemed to be against her. I asked him to vote for her anyway and just not tell the rest of the family because he is frail and his ex-wife used to verbally threaten him and at least twice physically abused him and they are still close. The best odds for my dad actually voting for Hillary is if he doesn't share that plan with his creepy, Fox-loving, abusive ex who will absolutely be voting Republican. In contrast, I was not impressed by Hillary. I didn't like her. I was a Bernie supporter. Last night I was on board. Tonight I am genuinely excited about voting for her because tonight I have learned many reasons to be excited. So don't worry, I won't be keeping my support a secret. Just don't want my dad locked in a closet or something on election day. (Apologies for the derail.)
posted by Bella Donna at 6:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


mrjohnmuller, Lauren Manning was an exec at Cantor Fitzgerald.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Congressman Joseph Crowley is speaking about that day. He lost close family who were firefighters.
posted by winna at 6:18 PM on July 26, 2016


If you're a political talking head, what is the polar opposite of "red meat" that we're hearing now.

I'm going to call it leadership.
posted by cmfletcher at 6:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is Lauren Manning's story. It's a hard read.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Hillary really did kick major ass during the immediate aftermath of 9-11 and the years afterward. It's when I realized she's a badass and questioned what the media had sold me all through the 90's.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


About all you need to know about Laurie Penny is this tweet, IMHO:

"Important note: it is over ninety degrees outside and hundreds of #BernieorBust delegates are trapped there without water #DNCWalkOut"

That is, a bunch of people who voluntarily walked out, and in fact are entirely free to go out and buy some water, or heck, go to the bathroom and drink from the faucet... she tries to portray them as tortured martyrs. Your basic narcissist.
posted by tavella at 6:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


It is a grotesque shame and a disgrace that the first responders had to fight for their rights. It will always be a disgrace.

More from Crowley- "Where was Donald Trump after the attack? He. Cashed. In."
posted by winna at 6:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Trump profited from 9/11? How not shocking. How totally in character.
posted by Bella Donna at 6:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh snap. Calling Trump out for profiteering on 9/11.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 6:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


You know, the RNC last week was all tell, tell, tell.

The Dems aren't needing to tell. They're showing who Clinton is and how this matters, and why this matters.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


"Where was Donald Trump after the attack? He. Cashed. In."

That's totally not true!

He was also imagining Muslims dancing in the streets.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Waterworks again over here.
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 6:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is too many 911 speeches for me. It was 15 years ago; she sounds like Rudy Giuliani; and it feels super pandery to me.
posted by likeatoaster at 6:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I kind of feel you, likeatoaster, but I think it's relevant because it speaks to her leadership as a senator.
posted by winna at 6:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yeah, I'm not into it, but she was NY's senator at the time and it's a strong part of her record.
posted by yasaman at 6:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm really impressed with the consistent quality of speakers here, whether professional politicians or ordinary people.
posted by tavella at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Live and let die"
posted by clavdivs at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016


This is too many 911 speeches for me. It was 15 years ago; it feels like Rudy Giuliani; and it feels super pandery to me.

Yeah, it's a super weird inclusion that doesn't seem to match any of the messages the convention is supposed to be sending.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


For a lot of people 9/11 was foundational in their identity. That was attempting to appeal to them. I hope it works a bit.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The 9/11 speeches would bother me if they were not connected to her skills as a legislator.
posted by argybarg at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


@likeatoaster I think it was kinda needed. And couldn't have been done better.
posted by rp at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I would agree, likeatoaster, but they're basically hitting on all the shit she's got done in her career. Two speeches isn't too many, I think.
posted by cooker girl at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


OK, Clinton's spent a lifetime working for justice and equality, but remember last week when we heard that Trump wrote a nice note on his daughter's report card one time?
posted by glhaynes at 6:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


She was a Senator from New York and worked to secure funding for survivors. People are trying to say she's letting in undocumented terrorists. "Pandery" what even.
posted by zutalors! at 6:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


"I'm with her, because she has always been with us."
posted by peacheater at 6:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I was just telling someone about the mothers of the movement piece and now I'm crying all over again.
posted by winna at 6:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I was 21 on 9/11. That day has been the foundation of my adulthood. It is relevant in a way that Benghazi is not.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [45 favorites]


Come on, we can do this right? She will win right? It would be an injustice of cosmic proportions.
posted by peacheater at 6:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Erika Alexander, I don't know what you act in but you are a lovely young person and I love your hair.
posted by winna at 6:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




Wow, I love how the podium lowered automatically as he walked towards it. Good job, DNC.
posted by peacheater at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


Podium of the year IMO
posted by theodolite at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I agree with his sentiment, in case it's not clear.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh shit, Siouxland represent!
posted by jason_steakums at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016


Those comments are gross, sorry.
posted by zutalors! at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Erika Alexander was on the Cosby Show and as an adult she was hilarious on Living Single.
posted by girlmightlive at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


So the podium drops so it's the right height for every speaker: How considerate and how smart!
posted by carmicha at 6:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


How awesome is it that the podium is accessible to people using wheelchairs?
posted by zachlipton at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Here's some more background on the cool pro-woman projects Elizabeth Banks works on, in addition to her career as an actress. She's a badass.
posted by sallybrown at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


So where does Hillary hide out during this convention?
posted by mynameisluka at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016


The podium operator is on the ball, I was worried for a second there.
posted by LobsterMitten at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


The podium and microphones adjust for speakers of varying heights?

That is the textbook definition for equity right there
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


For a lot of people 9/11 was foundational in their identity. That was attempting to appeal to them. I hope it works a bit.

I never thought to do the math until last night, but there are active voters in this election who were three years old on 9/11. Being a grown up in Bush's America wore heavy on my sanity. It felt like the nation had gone mad. I don't know what it's like to have that America as your childhood baseline.
posted by EatTheWeek at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


Hillary is reaping the dividends of having spent decades actually connecting to other people in meaningful ways. Now they can vouch for her.
posted by argybarg at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


How do I meet Hillary I want nice notes
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


For people reading this afterward the current speaker, Ryan Moore, is a person with dwarfism so the podium lowering is a very good touch indeed.
posted by winna at 6:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


That pun was definitely intended sir
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Oooooh, some people hold differing opinions! Oh noes! My friend just posted in Facebook that she is super thankful for all Hillary did w/r/t 9/11. She lived in the city at the time. Is she not allowed to be okay with Hillary's "pandering?"
posted by cooker girl at 6:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


That little guy pun was totally intended.
posted by Apoch at 6:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think the 9/11 focus tonight was important because 1) It was actually directly related to Clinton's record and actions at the time, and 2) Republicans have seemingly tried to "own" it and use it to their advantage ever since it happened. This turned it around on them. Hillary actually cares about people, whether it's 9/11 or any other time when people are suffering. This is the point they're making all night.
posted by wondermouse at 6:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


I DID NOT KNOW HOWARD DEAN WAS COMING ON STAGE.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Howard Dean! DEAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNN
posted by winna at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


oh my god I thought they said "Paula Deen" for some reason
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Howard Dean. YEAAAAAHHH!

I couldn't resist, sorry
posted by zombieflanders at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Dean talkin' directly to disaffected Republicans!
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


It was high time for the 9/11 narrative and symbolism to be reclaimed from the right. A little late perhaps but necessary and appropriate.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


(Love the inclusive stage tech)
(I have a huge crush on Howard dean I was not prepared for this)
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ohai Howard Dean! I've missed you!
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Right now, while everyone is at DNC, the protest about Philandro Castile's death in front of our Democratic governor's mansion is being broken up by police with mace. Forty six people were arrested at last count. It's stuff like this that is motivating people like Laurie Penny - the fact that the daily, on-the-ground stuff is still pretty brutal for youth and poor people, and what is getting dished out from the elites (and like it or not, people like Hillary are part of the elite) is "be patient, wait for our legislation".

I never really understood how much of a generation gap thing this was until just now, when I feel like I'm seeing people my age and older having a moment while I'm also seeing pictures of a bunch of kids getting beat down in front of our Democratic governor's mansion.

Now, I'm not saying that heckling Black speakers at the DNC is any kind of useful, or that people can't be very childish and counter productive, or that we all ought to accelerate the system right off a cliff by letting Trump win, but people are suffering and they have legit grievances that need to be addressed faster and more directly than is happening.

There really is a class/generation split here, where the needs of youth and poor people are immediate and pressing. This puts pressure on the Democrats because older/middle class/rich people are far more centrist and don't understand that there's living crisis out there.

Again, I'm not saying that people can't be very childish, or that letting Trump win would be anything but a major fucking disaster of the comet-strike variety, but today I feel like I'm really getting the need to respond to people's legit grievances better and faster.

I mean, we have a fucking Democratic governor. Why are people being maced for a peaceful protest over Philandro Castile's death? On Twitter, people are explicitly tying this situation together with their feelings about the mainstream of the Democrats.
posted by Frowner at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [65 favorites]


WHY IS HOWARD DEAN WERAING A BUTTON-DOWN

HE'S NOT RIDING A HORSE
posted by rp at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I don't know what it's like to have that America as your childhood baseline.

I think that's why the mentions of 9/11 don't faze me; I was 15 and it was very much the moment that changed everything, both at the time and retrospectively. I remember when we elected Obama, and the utterly novel feeling of having someone in the White House whom I genuinely respected.
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Oh Howard Dean, you'll always be my heart's first Bernie.

plz end with a full-throated Dean Scream, just one for the road
posted by jason_steakums at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [38 favorites]


The way they covered 9/11—honesty about the dangers of working in the aftermath and working to ensure that people are protected—actually does a lot to highlight the emptiness of how 9/11 is usually used.
posted by snofoam at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


He rode in on White Rabbit.
posted by cmfletcher at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016




I think the 9/11 focus tonight was important because 1) It was actually directly related to Clinton's record and actions at the time, and 2) Republicans have seemingly tried to "own" it and use it to their advantage ever since it happened. This turned it around on them


yeah, it's not about bombing people ffs. Also the tobascodegama tweets criticize the DNC for highlighting a "rich white banker" who was horrifically injured, spare me.
posted by zutalors! at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Remember, Howard, sound excited... but not too excited.
posted by ethansr at 6:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


How does he look younger than when he ran? Whoever did his makeup: great job!
posted by emjaybee at 6:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Has Howard Dean not aged? Or aged backwards perhaps?
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wait was that literally a joke cribbed from the part of Oh Brother Where Art Thou that was supposed to be super creepily hacky

On behalf of the candidate that turns out to be a Klansman, yes
posted by theodolite at 6:34 PM on July 26, 2016


Dean's voice has never quite recovered, poor guy.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]



Oh Howard Dean, you'll always be my heart's first Bernie.

plz end with a full-throated Dean Scream, just one for the road


Me too!
posted by zutalors! at 6:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Has Howard Dean not aged? Or aged backwards perhaps?


Obamacare!
posted by hal9k at 6:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Yeah, I hate ghoulish 9/11 pandering but I don't buy that the event can't be mentioned even in the context of the work of a senator from New York at the time.
posted by glhaynes at 6:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


plz end with a full-throated Dean Scream, just one for the road

HHS? Surgeon General? YEEEAAAHHHHHHH.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Holder is at least balancing the message with the truth about the racial disparities in sentencing.

Did anyone notice or care that Obama nominated to the SC one of the main authors of the federal criminal sentencing guidelines to the SC? The guidelines that put so many black men into federal prison for drug offences?
posted by ennui.bz at 6:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Donald Trump will take us back to a time when insurance companies could refuse you coverage if you had a pre-existing condition or deny you coverage because you were a woman."
posted by winna at 6:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


people are suffering and they have legit grievances that need to be addressed faster and more directly than is happening.

All this. All this.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hrmm, I wonder how long before people realize they can double or triple their favorites by registering sockpuppets.

2016- Sockpuppets are no longer just for in-jokes
posted by vuron at 6:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Howard "Wilhelm" Dean would have made a wonderful president.
posted by carmicha at 6:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Dr Deeeeeean! I am getting warm fuzzies, remembering gushing about him with my cousin. Thirding (or whatever) a Dean Scream for the road? Please?
posted by kalimac at 6:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did anyone notice or care that Obama nominated to the SC one of the main authors of the federal criminal sentencing guidelines to the SC? The guidelines that put so many black men into federal prison for drug offences?

Yes, I care. I'm not clear how that is relevant to my tepid reporting on what Holder was actually saying, but I do care.
posted by winna at 6:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Howard Dean was my first Bernie.

Bernie supporters, it still hurts. You never get over it.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


No. That the GOP exploits 9/11 incessantly while simultaneously blocking aid for responders and survivors is "skeevy." Demonstrating concrete ways Clinton has supported survivors is important and highly necessary. I personally hadn't heard of Manning before and found her really inspiring, so I appreciate her speech for that reason too.
"I fought so they wouldn't get one more" - that gave me chills. And it's straight out of a red state blockbuster Jerry Bruckheimer movie, BUT actually real. I loved it and plan to mention it to the next relative who brings up Clinton to me and basically blames her for terrorism.
posted by areaperson at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Dean Scream!
posted by mollweide at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


YOU HAVE ONE SONG DEAN NOW SING IT
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Meme that fuckers
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016


HE'S DOING IT
posted by zombieflanders at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


AWW JEEZ I JUST CAN'T HELP MYSELF
posted by theodolite at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


YEEEEEERRAAARGCHHHHHn!!!!!

He gave it!!!
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Hell yeah!
posted by argybarg at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016


Hell, I wasn't even alive when RFK was murdered but that one really gets me.
posted by zutalors! at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016


SCREAM IT HOWARD
posted by winna at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think he really relished that opportunity to just fuckin' YELL and have people cheer for it.
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


OMG Howard Dean, Sir!
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He did it!
posted by Bistle at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


LOL HE WENT THERE! LOVE YOU GOVERNOR!
posted by longdaysjourney at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


So wingers are apparently meme-ing the difference between the RNC stage and the DNC stage because the RNC stage had lots of flags and the DNC stage doesn't.

That's all they've got.
posted by Cookiebastard at 6:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


heh.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016


He's doing it!!!!!!!!!!


But where's the YEEEEAAAHHH!!!!

Come back Howard!
posted by Panjandrum at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He did it!
posted by Yowser at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016


Republicans have seemingly tried to "own" it and use it to their advantage ever since it happened. This turned it around on them.

It is remarkable how thoroughly this convention is reclaiming traditionally "Republican" values and showing how they work for Democrats better. They are capitalizing on the human void that is Donald Trump and making a play to grab the center of America back.

When Hillary, in a profile some months back, said she wants to try and win Texas—Texas! Texas!—I think she meant it. This is her "centrist compromise": casting liberal and progressive notions in a light that makes them seem like the fundamental American traits they goddamn are.
posted by rorgy at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [62 favorites]


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
(If he not going to end it right, we'll do it for him! Love you Howard!)
posted by penduluum at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Fine! Just take all of my money!

She's going to get universal health care, reform the prison system and overturn Citizens United? Take all of my money! I'm feeling this convention like WHOA!
posted by Sophie1 at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


You rock Howard Dean!
posted by cmfletcher at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did anyone notice or care that Obama nominated to the SC one of the main authors of the federal criminal sentencing guidelines to the SC? The guidelines that put so many black men into federal prison for drug offences?

Does it seem likely that people making informed and intelligent comments on a large thread about a political convention don't know or don't care about the well-known background of a Supreme Court nominee?

It might be more fruitful to say what you want to say rather than asking a sarcastic question.
posted by sallybrown at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


The 9/11 thread has me...conflicted. Partly because I also really feel a strong repulsion any time that day is used for political purposes; and partly because Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq War, which itself had its roots in 9/11 - despite the actions of me and some of my friends, New Yorkers ourselves, who desperately begged her and the rest of the government not to fall into that because for the love of God, we didn't want our grief to become a call for war. We didn't want the flag-waving unity immediately after the attacks to turn into waving the flag at someone.

However.

I long ago accepted that a large part of my repulsion about people invoking 9/11 has to do with the fact that the whole thing is just too close to me. The rest of the country didn't see it immediately outside the window; the rest of the country has been able to forget it in a way I never will. And I've accepted that. And that means that for the rest of the country, y'all need some of that context put back every now and then.

And as for the record - still not a fan of the Iraq War vote; and I even wrote her at the time and scolded her. But she wrote back. And if she supported the First Responders bill, then....okay.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


YEAAAAAAAAAAH
posted by angrycat at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Awesome.
posted by homunculus at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Dammit Howard I still got a crush on you.
posted by sara is disenchanted at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


LIST THOSE STATES FUCK YEAH HOWARD
posted by EatTheWeek at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Dean getting railroaded for a damn scream was heartbreaking for sure.
posted by defenestration at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Well, she's no Duck Dynasty...
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Howard Dean! What a good sport. :D
posted by lunasol at 6:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Am I insane? I'm watching the youtube stream and it looked like they cut the mic for his scream. He clearly did it (good) but I didn't see it on my stream.
posted by stet at 6:41 PM on July 26, 2016


Dean/Sanders GOTV Road Show 2016? Please?
posted by jason_steakums at 6:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, I think the point is to recontextualize 9/11. For her (and any normal human being), the destruction of the towers was a catastrophe, not an opportunity. Unlike GWB and Guiliani, she's done the work of supporting survivors and ameliorating damage--FOR YEARS.
posted by dogrose at 6:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


OK, Bill is coming up soon. I'm kind of nervous about how it's going to go.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


What the hell is this?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh man suddenly I'm giddy. I'm tempted to post on my Trump supporter relative's FB pages that I love them. It's such awesome shade.
posted by angrycat at 6:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


But she wrote back

What did she say EC
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016


Exorcising demons, 12 years on.

I don't want to be a downer here, but there are going to be places and people who see this diverse and wonderful speaker lineup as a freak show, as tokenism. That's bullshit, of course, but that's where the election stands. It's a face-off between the comfort of a mythical past and a future that's not quite there yet, and certainly not evenly distributed.
posted by holgate at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Seems like a good time to post 538's documentary on The Dean Scream, which says he was on the way out well before the scream.
posted by Apoch at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


What's with all the sheriff's stars on those flags? That's weird.
posted by stet at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Empress, hasn't she said she regrets the vote? That it was one of the worst decisions she made?
posted by cooker girl at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016


So wingers are apparently meme-ing the difference between the RNC stage and the DNC stage because the RNC stage had lots of flags and the DNC stage doesn't.

RNC motto: 'We stole the country with the cunning use of flags.'
posted by palindromic at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm struck by the fact that so many people are standing up to talk about Hillary and their connections with her in words that are more warm, personable and genuine than anything poor Tiffany Trump was able to say.

And Dean! You list all those states, sir!!
posted by Salieri at 6:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


So wingers are apparently meme-ing the difference between the RNC stage and the DNC stage because the RNC stage had lots of flags and the DNC stage doesn't.

Maybe the DNC's own feed is a wider shot, but the stage appears to have like 6+ flags on it. Must be an only on the Fox feed deal.
posted by feloniousmonk at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is all just so very well-assembled, themes overlapping themes and all very clearly directed at boosting Hillary at Trump's expense. It really could not be running better at this point.
posted by argybarg at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


This SecState montage is really, really good. I don't know how to get it shared all over the place, but let's get it shared all over the place.
posted by rp at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ok Hillary Brings Peace To the Middle East may be one clip too far.
posted by ethansr at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Was Howard Dean drunk?

Admittedly, I'm not super familiar with him, but something seemed a little 'off'.
posted by JennyJupiter at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


From way way back...

penis pass

just a lil reminder that penis ≠ man. kinda not great phrasing


Sorry about that. Thank you for pointing it out.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 6:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm old enough that Jesse Jackson was my first Democratic crush & big political disappointment. Made it a little easier to handle Dean and Sanders later.
posted by honestcoyote at 6:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


And as for the record - still not a fan of the Iraq War vote; and I even wrote her at the time and scolded her. But she wrote back.

I wrote to her too (and Schumer), but I didn't get any replies. I felt absolutely betrayed by their votes.
posted by maggiemaggie at 6:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Seems like a good time to post 538's documentary on The Dean Scream, which says he was on the way out well before the scream.

When we say he's our Bernie...
posted by zutalors! at 6:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's a convention I assume they're all drunk.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's a damned shame that we have to keep bringing out inspirational speakers to cover up for the fact that we just don't have someone as awesome as the Donald.

I mean the Donald is so gifted of an orator he could get by with programming Scott Baio and Duck Dynasty because at the end of the day you knew he could seal the deal by himself.

If Hillary was HIGH ENERGY she wouldn't need to borrow the power of all these other people with their compelling stories.
posted by vuron at 6:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


And now that I'm paying attention to it, I'm finding that everyone around me is reluctant to endorse her without groaning about it - even my super awesome, intelligent, liberal husband - and I'm sick of it. I'm getting a Hillary bumper sticker, t-shirt, and button, and I am going to stop giving a fuck about how people are going to react. And since I live in a right-wing, theocratic hellhole, I'm assuming a lot of these reactions are not going to be pleasant.

bibliowench, the combination of this comment and this amazingly well-produced and compelling convention just got me to make my first donation to Hillary. And then I made it a monthly contribution. I was a Bernie voter, and then I was like #GirlIGuessImWithHer but now I am all in.
posted by lunasol at 6:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Yesterday I was feeling really nervous about resentment from Bernie supporters, but this convention has been so consistently upbeat that those nerves are melting away. I'd like to see all of them find their way into alliance with the Dems by November, but even if they can't, I think I can be at peace with that.

I feel really good that all these different people can come together to rally for a major political party in my country; that *these* are some of the individual faces that make up what passes for our center-left neoliberal 800-pound gorilla. With allies like these, you can see a better, more just gorilla on the horizon.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 6:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Amy Klobuchar, the Midwest's Own Elizabeth Warren
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Also, Howard Dean did a lot of good work at the DNC, people. The 50-state strategy of the Democratic Party is his legacy.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


mediareport: "and President Bill Clinton

Please stop doing that. We do not have titles for life in the U.S. government. This thing where Senators and such get the honorific after they've finished serving is total bullshit. He's not "President Bill Clinton" anymore; he's just a schlub/citizen like you or me.
"

This is a thing done for any ex-president. What's your point?
posted by Splunge at 6:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


What did she say EC

It was kind of a form-ish letter; she hadn't sat down and written it Just For Me, I was pretty sure it was "here's the letter we'll send to the people who write me and grumble about this". It was kind of a "look, it was a tough choice and I wish I didn't have to but sometimes we have to do things we don't want to in the better interest of the country etc.".


Empress, hasn't she said she regrets the vote? That it was one of the worst decisions she made?


Maybe. I'm still bugged by it (not, like, Bernie-or-bust level bothered, but enough that I voted for Bernie in the primary).

But don't worry, I would rather vote for a wilted ficus than either Trump or Jill Stein. Hillary has my vote in November.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Right now, while everyone is at DNC, the protest about Philandro Castile's death in front of our Democratic governor's mansion is being broken up by police with mace. Forty six people were arrested at last count. It's stuff like this that is motivating people like Laurie Penny - the fact that the daily, on-the-ground stuff is still pretty brutal for youth and poor people, and what is getting dished out from the elites (and like it or not, people like Hillary are part of the elite) is "be patient, wait for our legislation".
I don't know. With all due respect, I'm going to defer to the mothers of Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland and Jordan Davis, who spoke at the DNC tonight, on this one, rather than Laurie Penny, who is a white, upper-middle-class, British journalist who lives in London.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


Get caught buggering a cow in your town. See if you ever get rid of THAT title.

so I'm told
posted by delfin at 6:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Women's rights are human rights, and human rights are women's rights."

My mom was there as part of India's delegation watching Hillary Clinton say that. One of her most favorite memories.
posted by peacheater at 6:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


Apparently, Hillary is going to make an appearance at the DNC tonight via satellite.
posted by cashman at 6:50 PM on July 26, 2016


I've never heard of Amy Klobuchar before tonight but she is giving a fantastic speech.
posted by rorgy at 6:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Mod note: Folks, the honorific derail is a little much for a very busy thread.
posted by restless_nomad (staff) at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Right now, while everyone is at DNC, the protest about Philandro Castile's death in front of our Democratic governor's mansion is being broken up by police with mace. Forty six people were arrested at last count. It's stuff like this that is motivating people like Laurie Penny - the fact that the daily, on-the-ground stuff is still pretty brutal for youth and poor people, and what is getting dished out from the elites (and like it or not, people like Hillary are part of the elite) is "be patient, wait for our legislation".

I don't know. With all due respect, I'm going to defer to the mothers of Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland and Jordan Davis, who spoke at the DNC tonight, on this one, rather than Laurie Penny, who is a white, upper-middle-class, British journalist who lives in London.


Let's drop the binary thing, okay? That's what Republicans do. We can honour those women at the DNC and be upset about breaking up lawful protests. Hell, some of those women might have been at that demonstration if they weren't speaking tonight. So let's not dismiss a potential wrong because it's not upbeat enough.
posted by Bella Donna at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


So wingers are apparently meme-ing the difference between the RNC stage and the DNC stage because the RNC stage had lots of flags and the DNC stage doesn't.

I mean, RNC stage had literally all the flags. So maybe they couldn't find any in time for the DNC? Seriously, the RNC stage was lousy with flags.
posted by dis_integration at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Klobuchar will likely be the next Attorney General so get familiar with her.
posted by vuron at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Wow, Ima Matul. The courage to escape your trafficker. Holy shit.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I am pretty sure whatever Laurie Penny is tweeting is satire. I follow her on Twitter and the quoted tweets up there sound like her kind of joke.
posted by R343L at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016


C-Span's feed has apparently conked out?
posted by winna at 6:53 PM on July 26, 2016


2016- Sockpuppets are no longer just for in-jokes
posted by vuron at 9:36 PM on 7/26
[+] You hit your favorite limit for the day. [!]

You might be onto something. I've been bumping up against my favorite limit since the DNC started.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 6:54 PM on July 26, 2016




Or checking her feed I can't tell. Sigh.
posted by R343L at 6:54 PM on July 26, 2016


I don't understand why we have to oppose the mothers of the movement and the movement itself. They're the same side. Democrats believe black lives matter but need to be pushed to act on it.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Minnesota, represent!
posted by GameDesignerBen at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Bernie DNC Walkout Was a Masterful Bit of Media Manipulation

Gawker paints it as kind of a non-event. And if Gawker is failing to be able to sensationalize something, I feel pretty confident that there really wasn't much there there.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Klobuchar will likely be the next Attorney General so get familiar with her.

Some of us back home are rooting for a Justice Klobuchar in the near future.
posted by Think_Long at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


The only way the RNC could've had more flags is if Trump came out in Apollo Creed's costume for his speech.
posted by vuron at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I've never heard of Amy Klobuchar before.

Goddamn heartland represent. She was amazing.
posted by rp at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Boy, I'm about as drunk as William Daly.
posted by Floydd at 6:55 PM on July 26, 2016


I like the pattern of having well-known people introduce folks who won't be familiar to most of the audience... and vice versa. It underscores the StrongerTogether theme and reinforces the big tent and shared concerns that unite Democrats.
posted by carmicha at 6:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Ok, I'm having a moment here. Have we ever had a moment on national television extolling women like this? I feel like between the House members, the Mothers, all of these powerful women, I've never seen anything like it.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [38 favorites]


Dang bringing out Madelaine Albright.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't know. With all due respect, I'm going to defer to the mothers of Trayvon Martin, Sandra Bland and Jordan Davis, who spoke at the DNC tonight, on this one, rather than Laurie Penny, who is a white, upper-middle-class, British journalist who lives in London.

There are times when people scolding others need to not only flag what they see as misbehavior, but they need to also put forth the desired ideal behavior: "Hillary Clinton should drop everything at the convention, fly out to the protest with her security detail, and mediate."

Although this may be Laurie Penny's joke/point.
posted by sebastienbailard at 6:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Holy shit, Albright's flag pin is the BEST FLAG PIN.
posted by joyceanmachine at 6:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Huh. I really like Klobluchar as a politician, but as a public speaker I thought she really fell flat. Glad she was effective for others, though.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 6:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


One time, Albright was in Gilmore girls. Just saying.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Ok, I'm having a moment here. Have we ever had a moment on national television extolling women like this?

Not since the Buffy finale for me, and I've been waiting for real life to live up to that moment for a long time.
posted by Salieri at 6:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


"and another man politely declined to be interviewed when I told him I worked for Gawker."

Smells like alt-right...
posted by Yowser at 6:58 PM on July 26, 2016


I long ago accepted that a large part of my repulsion about people invoking 9/11 has to do with the fact that the whole thing is just too close to me. The rest of the country didn't see it immediately outside the window; the rest of the country has been able to forget it in a way I never will.

Random data point here: I was living in Houston, TX on September 11, 2001, and I share your repulsion. To me, the entire political meaning of 9/11 (as distinct from its personal meaning for people who were directly affected) is "militaristic nationalism," whether of the nakedly evil "death to the enemy" variety or the more warm-and-fuzzy "we take care of our own" variety.
posted by DaDaDaDave at 6:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hillary Clinton didn't like Czech cabbage! Shocking!
posted by winna at 6:59 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit, Albright's flag pin is the BEST FLAG PIN.

One nation, under bling...
posted by Panjandrum at 6:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Holy shit, Albright's flag pin is the BEST FLAG PIN.

Really kinda makes it seem like the Republicans at their convention weren't very patriotic.
posted by snofoam at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Both of my senators and my representative have appeared at the DNC. Good job, Minnesota.
posted by dinty_moore at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




Also, wow, I'm kinda struck by Albright talking about electing Hillary not just as President but as Commander in Chief.

I mean...yeah. I didn't even think about that.
posted by Salieri at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


You go!
posted by Splunge at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016


Trump throwing shade at Megyn Kelly on twitter re: ISIS
You have no idea what my strategy on ISIS is, and neither does ISIS (a good thing). Please get your facts straight - thanks. @megynkelly
I'm betting that Donald doesn't know his strategy either. Hillary probably already has a team specifically assigned to ISIS, because she's actually competent.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Now I want Czech cabbage.
posted by stet at 7:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


For the record, I worked with the Salvation Army after 9/11, and spent a lot of time at Ground Zero. And I am okay with the references. That day means different things to different people, no matter where we lived.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Laura Bush was kinda always a closet Democrat.

This is fairly true. I worked on an education project with close ties to Laura when W. was governor of Texas and my aging hippie socialist boss always had good things to say about her. And got to go to the White House and stuff, which was kinda funny because hippie socialist lady.
posted by threeturtles at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


"and another man politely declined to be interviewed when I told him I worked for Gawker."

It was Peter Thiel.
posted by dersins at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


@Pater Aletheias : I don't know her at all, but I know the Great Lakes states, and I was pretty unhappy that I didn't know her.
posted by rp at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016


Opponent has no skills. No shit.
posted by Splunge at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016


Well great now that Clinton has pissed off the Czech-American population we can just forget about being competitive in Nebraska.
posted by vuron at 7:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh this is good.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Senior female bureaucrats are serious business. <3
posted by LobsterMitten at 7:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Donald Trump has done damage just by running for President."

Day-um.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [67 favorites]


Albright sticking in the shiv over Putin.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


ooh, Albright just Went There with the Russian DNC hack
posted by saturday_morning at 7:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Google "Madeline Albright brooch". She's been punk rock since the 90's.
posted by cmfletcher at 7:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


"Donald Trump has weakened our standing in the world by threatening to walk away from our friends and allies. Donald Trump also has a strange fondness for dictators."

"A Trump victory in November would be a gift to Putin."

"Take it from someone who grew up behind the Iron Curtain I know what happens when you give Russians the green light."
posted by winna at 7:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [60 favorites]


Wow. Nice, Albright.
posted by persona au gratin at 7:03 PM on July 26, 2016


Madeline Albright just killed with that one.
posted by argybarg at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"[Trump] has already done damage by running for president."

If anyone is qualified to talk shit about Trump, it's Albright. When Madeline Albright says your foreign policy is hateful, ignorant garbage that hurts America, then... well that's it really. Your foreign policy is hateful, ignorant garbage that hurts America.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


Here we go.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016


Game on, boyfriend.
posted by penduluum at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


The cool thing about this democratic tent is that the platform and the way it's being communicated allows for nuance in our critiques. Like, we can talk about how we agree and and disagree in a reasoned way. It's not a message with a single pitch, but hundreds, breaking dozens of ways across the entire coalition. This is an extremely broad cross section of the nation's most brilliant leaders and supporters, this is how the center holds.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


Damn it, Bill, you were one cute teenager

I am really feeling single tonight wow
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Hahaha Trump trying to pick a fight with Megyn Kelly.

I might not like her but she helped take down Ailes (thank god). Trump really hasn't studied history at all if he's trying to open a two front war.
posted by vuron at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


If you're gonna wear a flag pin, wear one that can take flight and stab a fascist at 20 paces is all I'm saying.
posted by Skorgu at 7:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


Big DOGGGGGGGGGGGG
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


BILL.
Please live up to what WE want from you all.
posted by rp at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


*sharp intake of breath*
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Andrew Sullivan keeps saying Trump is winning.

He's not.
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Gawker paints it as kind of a non-event. And if Gawker is failing to be able to sensationalize something, I feel pretty confident that there really wasn't much there there.

If it got them out of the convention hall, great. It's so much nicer to watch the convention without the booing.
posted by lunasol at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Wait hang on, are we electing Bill again?
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh God please don't fuck this up Bill
posted by schadenfrau at 7:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


You have no idea what my strategy on ISIS is, and neither does ISIS (a good thing). Please get your facts straight - thanks. @megynkelly

You have a secret plan to fight ISIS?
posted by zachlipton at 7:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


It's been so long since I've heard Bill speak that he sounds like a parody of himself rather than himself.
posted by winna at 7:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Do speech bets include the video montage?
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This evening was planned long before Trump muttered aloud about what was up with women not supporting him, but I'm sure when that quote came through there were a few glints and grins.
posted by holgate at 7:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's been so long since I've heard Bill speak that he sounds like a parody of himself rather than himself.

lol yes I was just having that exact through
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


No, I can't include the video in my bet.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:07 PM on July 26, 2016


As someone who owns a National guitar, I fully support this soundtrack.
posted by stet at 7:07 PM on July 26, 2016


I'd like to volunteer for that part of being president where you go around hugging cute kids every where
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Bill has to show up trump tonight. Show the don how this is done.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


You have no idea what my strategy on ISIS is, and neither does ISIS (a good thing). Please get your facts straight - thanks. @megynkelly

Makes me think of Trump in a bizzaro world version of West Wing. The thing about the President's secret plan to fight inflation ISIS.
posted by honestcoyote at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Megyn has a plan to fight Archer.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Andrew Sullivan keeps saying Trump is winning.

That's because Andrew Sullivan only counts the votes of white men.
posted by gladly at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Bill's video talks about lifting people out of prove try, which is great, but it also reminds us about all the people who were still in poverty but got cut off welfare and are now far worse off.
posted by zachlipton at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Which female actor's incredibly familiar voice is doing the voiceovers in this montage?? It's killing me!
posted by telegraph at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016


I SEE YOU ZACHLIPTON AND I LIKE IT
posted by lazaruslong at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Great to see the brilliant Prof Sherman Abdul-Hakim Jackson invited for the opening invocation. (Reflects well on the DNC to feature a preeminent American Muslim theologian while the RNC got ... some nut.) Towards the end of the prayer Dr Jackson spoke about God's light as "neither Eastern nor Western" . That imagery is Quranic in origin, from the Verse of Light, Q24:35
Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth.
A parable of His Light is a niche wherein is a lamp—
the lamp is in a glass, the glass as it were a glittering star—
lit from a blessed olive tree,
neither eastern nor western,
whose oil almost lights up,
though fire should not touch it.
Light upon light.
Allah guides to His Light whomever He wishes.
Allah draws parables for mankind,
and Allah has knowledge of all things.

posted by BinGregory at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump was thanking Megyn Kelly for pointing out the ISIS mention, not fighting her.
posted by Brainy at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016


"I feel like I'm a Clinton baby" is a good line.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:08 PM on July 26, 2016


Yeah, I don't know how I feel being reminded of the Clinton welfare reforms :/
posted by joyceanmachine at 7:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I think we're in for peak Bill Clinton tonight. This is kind of unprecedented.
posted by billyfleetwood at 7:09 PM on July 26, 2016


Long intro for Bill.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 7:09 PM on July 26, 2016


Megyn has a plan to fight Archer.

dangerzone
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Which female actor's incredibly familiar voice is doing the voiceovers in this montage?? It's killing me!
posted by telegraph at 7:08 PM on July 26 [+] [!]

Mary Steenbergen
posted by birdheist at 7:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Onions
posted by persona au gratin at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016


This so advertising 101 propaganda. gross.
posted by futz at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016


You have to wonder if he's going to acknowledge or own the criticisms of his policies. Not gonna lie, pretty nervous that there's no prepared remarks.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Fuck Bill, aight. I'm such a fucking sucker for you.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Bill Clinton has fucked up a lot of things in his life but speaking effectively in front of large groups of people is rarely in that category. Expecting a home run.
posted by penduluum at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm pretty sure the voiceover is Mary Steenburgen.
posted by LynnDee at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's sort of bittersweet that Clinton is running against a buffoon instead of a respectable opponent. I wish all these folks could focus on who Clinton is and why we should vote for her, rather than half of them focusing on how important it is that we keep Trump from winning.

I'll happily vote for Clinton either way (and I say that as someone who supported Bernie as long as I reasonably could). I'd just rather hear more about her and less about her joke of an opponent.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Mary Steenbergen

*Exhale* Thank you.

And she's on theme for Philadelphia!
posted by telegraph at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'll say this for Bill, he didn't scrub all the backwoods out of his speech. As someone with a regional accent I know the pressure he must've felt to do it.
posted by winna at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


It's taken me a long time to be able to separate my antipathy towards Bill from my feelings about Hillary. I... might just sit this one out.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


What's with the Love American Style music?
posted by Sophie1 at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016


He's the prez of my childhood - I was twelve in 2000. This is gonna be a trip.
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Let's go, Big Dog!
posted by persona au gratin at 7:10 PM on July 26, 2016


Shot of Chelsea and her husband sitting with Elizabeth Warren. Good times.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


My first presidential vote was for Bill Clinton. And this thread roped me into watching the convention tonight. I'm glad I did. I'm feeling a little bit better about the state of the U.S, if only for a few hours.

And Madeleine Albright has always had serious pin game.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


WHERE IS MY SAXOPHONE
posted by sara is disenchanted at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is anyone else having weird childhood flashbacks right now?
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hey Bill Clinton on deck!
posted by Oyéah at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016


Hahaha the music for bills walk on
posted by lazaruslong at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016


The walk-on music's vaguely...porny.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


it appears to be getting funky in here
posted by saturday_morning at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yay, Big Dog!
posted by octothorpe at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016


No Fleetwood Mac?
posted by entropicamericana at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Siddown and watch how this is DONE
posted by hal9k at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016


Bill Clinton is reminding me of how much I miss Phil Hartman.
posted by bibliowench at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Guys, we still have an Obama and a Biden and a Kaine after this. Holy hell.
posted by argybarg at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Wow, lighting and makeup are on point tonight. Everybody looks fabulous.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I've seen assume talks about reflecting on his presidency, and the mistakes of DADT and welfare reform were listed as some of his biggest regrets.
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Aw man, his voice has gotten so old. I can't believe how much time has passed since he was president.

This place is going to come apart when Obama speaks.
posted by Salieri at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


You have no idea what my strategy on ISIS is, and neither does ISIS (a good thing). Please get your facts straight - thanks. @megynkelly

You have a secret plan to fight ISIS?


By bombing Cambodia.
posted by dirigibleman at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


BIIIILLL!!
posted by numaner at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"In the spring of 1971 I met a girl. The first time, appropriately enough, we were in a class on civil rights."
posted by winna at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


So is Bill going to end his speech with a big sax solo or just let Trump off easy?
posted by vuron at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Then Hillary came around the corner...
posted by hal9k at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016


When Madeline Albright says your foreign policy is hateful, ignorant garbage that hurts America, then... well that's it really.

She is a bona fide badass, so very not retired given the amount of work she does, and she is @madeleine on Twitter and you're not.
posted by holgate at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


The walk-on music's vaguely...porny.

It was "Getting Jiggy Wit It" by Will Smith.
posted by Talez at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Is anyone else having weird childhood flashbacks right now?

THANK YOU FOR NAMING MY MENTAL STATE RIGHT NOW
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


he's not doing well
posted by futz at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's such a great speaker, damn.
posted by zutalors! at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016


fast ein Maedchen -- I was just texting with a friend that this is totally a revisit of our teen years (we were born in 1982). And I think that's why even though Bill is skeevy and abused his power and destroyed welfare....I feel awfully warm and fuzzy right now, because of the time in my life he represents, and Madeleine Albright did, and so many of the speakers tonight did.
posted by kalimac at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Which come to think of it was just a sample of Sister Sledge's "He's The Greatest Dancer" so that's probably what the walk on music actually was.
posted by Talez at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


OH MY GOD HE IS STILL SUCH A CHARMER.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


This so advertising 101 propaganda. gross

It's a political convention. The whole thing is one big ad. Feel free to change the channel if you don't like ads.
posted by zachlipton at 7:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


Nope. President (accepted honorific) Clinton has just gotten creepier.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016


I can't decide if I love or hate how he is owning the fact he is a shameless skirt chaser.
posted by gatorae at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh man, Clinton has the crowd eating out of his HAND.
posted by joyceanmachine at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He looks like a sad robot and yet I still love him.
posted by rp at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016


Hillary told him after some missing connection style things, "Look, if you're going to keep staring at me and I'm going to keep staring back I will at least need to know your name."
posted by winna at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


he's not doing well

My dad philandered even more than Slick Willy and it did not go well when he gave us his blessing at our wedding. Talking about how his marriage started is a bad look. Really Bill is a bad look. He should stay home.
posted by dis_integration at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


How surreal would it be to be Chelsea, and this is also just your family story.
posted by NorthernLite at 7:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's got a hand tremor? God I am so old.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:15 PM on July 26, 2016


Any of you all know who Jerry Clower is? Because dang I'm feeling like I'm at a Clower concert.
posted by winna at 7:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


> Is anyone else having weird childhood flashbacks right now

NO because I am not a BABY unlike you. How can Bill be a childhood memory and yet you're here typing coherent sentences? That makes no sense.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [57 favorites]


I'd be happier about all this young-love chronicle if it weren't for the memory of living through the pain of the White House infidelity. Wonder if Bill is going to allude to that in any form. -- OK, "good times and bad". That's a start.
posted by Creosote at 7:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yes, but did you drive her home in your El Camino with astroturf in the bed, Bill?
posted by entropicamericana at 7:16 PM on July 26, 2016


The corpse in the library, that's how I feel about everyone born after 1990. (Sorry, friends, colleagues, bosses, et cetera!)
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


meanwhile, donny t. is tweeting about how the set on his convention was much more beautiful...
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:16 PM on July 26, 2016


Are you kidding? Their marriage isn't defined by Bill's mistakes. We know absolutely fucking nothing about their marriage other than they've built an unbelievable life together out of an amazing partnership.

How can you reduce this to a goddamn Lewinsky reference?
posted by schadenfrau at 7:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [118 favorites]


Was that "wait for next year" bit a subtle Cubs joke?
posted by tonycpsu at 7:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Watching Bill give a straight up Convention Spouse Speech is really something, isn't it.
posted by theodolite at 7:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [42 favorites]


How can Bill be a childhood memory and yet you're here typing coherent sentences? That makes no sense.
posted by The corpse in the library


Mom, are you on Metafilter?
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


he's not doing well
posted by futz at 10:13 PM on 7/26
[+] [!]

He's such a great speaker, damn.
posted by zutalors! at 10:13 PM on 7/26
[+] [!]


Oh MeFi, never change
posted by numaner at 7:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [75 favorites]


IMHO, nothing this week has been remotely disappointing.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Was that "wait for next year" bit a subtle Cubs joke?

No, it was a giant honking Cubs joke
posted by saturday_morning at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


this sounds apocryphal and schmaltzy.

Hitting all the right notes in a Hallmark card way.
posted by futz at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016



Are you kidding? Their marriage isn't defined by Bill's mistakes. We know absolutely fucking nothing about their marriage other than they've built an unbelievable life together out of an amazing partnership.


Agreed. He adores her. And he's still an incredibly influential Democrat.
posted by zutalors! at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


He's doing better than Melania.
posted by dinty_moore at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I like how Clinton is actively emphasizing Hillary's choices.
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Was that "wait for next year" bit a subtle Cubs joke?

What subtle? That's the Cubs' informal motto.
posted by Talez at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016


Wait for it.
posted by Splunge at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]




I thought the walk-on tune was Ain't No Stopping Us Now?
posted by STFUDonnie at 7:18 PM on July 26, 2016


meanwhile, donny t. is tweeting about how the set on his convention was much more beautiful...

lmao of course! It was YUUUUUGE and GOLD, the two things he values most in the world.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah but he's not convincing us. He's talking to boomers, rural folks, Southerners and Midwesterners, blue collar folks with economic fears -- same demos he always delivered. Same demos that were vulnerable to anti-elitism, anti-Hillary bullshit back when it first started showing up 25 years ago. Those people are Trump's core. This is an old school spouse speech at a convention and I think it works.

Edit: sorry for typo
posted by penduluum at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]



this sounds apocryphal and schmaltzy.


He's told that story about how they met a few times. If it's fake it's a story they have down. Then again, of course people doubt anything about them is genuine.
posted by zutalors! at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He's just making a speech saying how she has always been much smarter and more caring than him. Dude got lucky.
posted by lauranesson at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


People, this is Bill Clinton. He hasn't even begun this speech yet.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [54 favorites]


I like how his speech boils down to "I had a crush on Hillary but she was too busy traveling the country doing good for us to hang out as much as I would have liked"
posted by a fiendish thingy at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


Some of you sound very prudish about how many relationships start, and how they work.
posted by girlmightlive at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


MetaFilter: you're here typing coherent sentences? That makes no sense.
posted by homunculus at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


The CNN feed froze when he was talking about waiting in line to register for classes. What was the punchline to that story?
posted by sardonyx at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016


This is really good. I don't know if it's strategically good, but gosh he really knows and admires his wife.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:19 PM on July 26, 2016


) Was that "wait for next year" bit a subtle Cubs joke?

No, it was a giant honking Cubs joke


Which he even prefaced by talking about the cubs.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:20 PM on July 26, 2016


theodolite: "Watching Bill give a straight up Convention Spouse Speech is really something, isn't it."

It's both weird and great.
posted by octothorpe at 7:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


This is indeed a classic "elect my spouse they are great" speech. Which is impressive, given that it is a former president giving it.
posted by winna at 7:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


We know absolutely fucking nothing about their marriage other than they've built an unbelievable life together out of an amazing partnership

We know that partnership is several decades long. So if Bill is going to recount it step by step, we're going to be here a while.

I got $5 on an 8 hour speech.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, he is talking all about her agency and autonomy, and how smart she is and how much progressive work she's done. This is awesome.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [44 favorites]


I'm loving this through and through. One of the most powerful men walking this globe, and he is all-in supporting and glorifying his wife, humanizing her, centering her life and not his own. I keep thinking, thank you that I should live to see this.
posted by Andrhia at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [71 favorites]


Just throwin' this out there for context: For tons of people between age 18 and 30, Obama was not just our first political crush, but a political Jesus. And we got him in.

Yes, I said 18. You remember Kid President, right?

I mean I did tell my dad to vote for Clinton when I was six, but that was because the radio told me to
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


When does he get to the part where he plagarizes Michelle's speech from last night?

All the Presidential spouses are doing it.
posted by vuron at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He is so proud of her and it shines through. Loving it.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Are you kidding? Their marriage isn't defined by Bill's mistakes. We know absolutely fucking nothing about their marriage other than they've built an unbelievable life together out of an amazing partnership.

I realize how fraught this all is, but HRC has to stand on her own without him. I mean shit, Lewinsky was what? 22?! In today's parlance, Bill is a borderline predator. I don't like him, I don't trust him, and I've been able to be positive about Hillary in spite of him. And anyway, no, we don't know what goes in in their marriage, the sacred crucible of privacy, but we do know what anyone on Askmefi would say if they were like: my husband keeps shagging other women (we know Lewinsky was only one of many) and I want to be president do I stay with him? I can't be the only one totally squicked out when he talks about how much he loves her etc.
posted by dis_integration at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


The CNN feed froze when he was talking about waiting in line to register for classes. What was the punchline to that story?

He got called out by registrar for already having registered that morning.
posted by arcolz at 7:21 PM on July 26, 2016


It's adorable how each state convention yells whenever Hillary travels through there in Bill's story.
posted by Salieri at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


meanwhile, donny t. is tweeting about how the set on his convention was much more beautiful...

lololololololololol, I've been tittering to myself for the last two days about how the DNC stage makes the RNC stage look like it was made out of construction paper and masking tape.
posted by lunasol at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


And he is still such a great story teller. Still.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Any Hillary-philes have an estimate on how many states will be mentioned when all is said and done?
posted by acidic at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016


Watching Bill speak about Hillary in this way makes me feel like I'm at my neighbors' 50th wedding anniversary and the husband is jovially explaining to the crowd at large how the woman he married is so much better than he ever was and ever will be and he is so damn grateful she puts up with him even one iota every day
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [45 favorites]


The CNN feed froze when he was talking about waiting in line to register for classes. What was the punchline to that story?

The Registrar busted him by saying "Bill, what are you doing here? You registered for classes this morning!"
posted by carmicha at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The CNN feed froze when he was talking about waiting in line to register for classes. What was the punchline to that story?

That the registrar recognized him because he had already done so that morning.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016


Until last week, Bill held the record for longest speech at a convention.

Tonight, Bill gets his revenge.
posted by hal9k at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


They still haven't gotten married yet in this speech.

Also I feel compelled to say that my Clower reference wasn't intended to be a bad thing. Listening to my daddy's record with Jerry Clower imitating a hunting dog howling is one of my finest childhood memories.
posted by winna at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's hitting all the right notes.
posted by y2karl at 7:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm learning stuff in Bill's speech about Hillary's life that I'd never heard before. She's been strong and amazing for way longer than most of us ever knew.
posted by dnash at 7:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


Heh, we're only like 3 years into this story.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Watching Bill give a straight up Convention Spouse Speech is really something, isn't it.

Bill Clinton has spoken at something like the last 10 consecutive Democratic National Conventions. A convention speech from him might be the most normal thing there can be at this event.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 7:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


He says he told her: "I really want you to marry me but you shouldn't do it."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:24 PM on July 26, 2016


Meanwhile, I was still thinking....
posted by uosuaq at 7:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Get the pillows y'all and strap in. Grab the whole bottle of wine, this is gonna be a while.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Any Hillary-philes have an estimate on how many states will be mentioned when all is said and done?

...she was listening to Sweet Home Alabama on the radio...
...we shared baked Alaska for dessert...
...and then we watched Raizing Arizona...
posted by tonycpsu at 7:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm 35 and my Southern grandmother thought Bill Clinton was the best president since Kennedy. She passed in 1998 and I think she would have already been in the bag for Hillary, but if she wasn't, this speech would absolutely have done the trick.
posted by penduluum at 7:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


They still haven't gotten married yet in this speech.

They are still not engaged in this story.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


Any Hillary-philes have an estimate on how many states will be mentioned when all is said and done?

57, because I'm sure he's got an anecdote about American Samoa or Guam ready.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


How are you so charming you womanizing mfer

Jesus

This is unfair
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


This is tons better than that dude who told the anecdotal feel good tales before trump came on.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Since Hillary became a badass senator and SoS I have always imagined, in my own mind, that one of the reasons she didn't leave Bill (and seriously, choosing to stay in your marriage after infidelity can only be your own choice) is because so few men could possibly step up to her game.
posted by nakedmolerats at 7:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


They finally are married!
posted by winna at 7:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


No. Bullshit. The power differential between Bill and Monica was what made that gross and horrible, and what happened afterwards was both horrifying and beyond the agency or scope of any individual.

But you, nor I, know a goddamn thing about their relationship. Open relationships are not uncommon, for example. No one knows what the boundaries of their partnership are, and assuming Hillary is some kind of victim because her husband slept with other women is fucked up. She gets to decide how to deal with that. And guess who she's still married to?

Fucking keep it consistent. Do you have a problem with Bill's treatment of women, or with Bill and Hillary's marriage? Because the first thing has absolutely neither jack nor shit to do with Hillary, and the second is some fucking condescending concern trolling of an epic nature.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [107 favorites]


I'm learning stuff in Bill's speech about Hillary's life that I'd never heard before. She's been strong and amazing for way longer than most of us ever knew.

And that is what this speech (and this evening) is for. Taking an iron-headed gavel to 25 years of fabulist bullshit.
posted by holgate at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


I guess I feel like Bill Clinton is the least interesting part about Hillary. He has held her down, I think. She has kept by him because she is a forgiving human? This speech is weirdly Feminine-Mystique-y.
posted by lauranesson at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


When does he get to the part where he plagarizes Michelle's speech from last night?

All the Presidential spouses are doing it.


Excuse me but when did Trump get elected President again ? Ain't gonna happen, no, nope, nosirree.
posted by y2karl at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


They finally are married!

We're still not out of the 1970s!
posted by zombieflanders at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is tons better than that dude who told the anecdotal feel good tales before trump came on.

Yeah, where helicopters? Where prize fight?
posted by hal9k at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Grab the whole bottle of wine, this is gonna be a while.

Yeah I got inspired by certain other posters here and am drinking margarita mix, this may not have been the best choice for a tuesday night
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


For what it's worth, my sister, who has worked for them both, believes they genuinely love each other, in a complicated way, and that's why they've stayed together. Not political reasons. And she's not easily fooled.
posted by tavella at 7:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [102 favorites]


1980
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Chelsea is so gorgeous. I had the world's biggest crush on her when she was as a geeky teenager and I was an even geekier teenager.
posted by Talez at 7:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


The man is like a major league pitcher. Give him two or three innings and he's in the rhythm of the game.
posted by cmfletcher at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


What I’m getting from this speech is that Hillary Rodham used Bill Clinton as her on-tap booty call for five years before he finally managed to guilt her into monogamy.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [74 favorites]


Tavella, that makes me really, really happy
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




Bill seems mystified by the fact that his wife has really actually done some shit in the world.
posted by lauranesson at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I guess I feel like Bill Clinton is the least interesting part about Hillary. He has held her down, I think. She has kept by him because she is a forgiving human? This speech is weirdly Feminine-Mystique-y.

There are no higher offices in America than President.
posted by hleehowon at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


1980

soon it will be my birth year!
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Aw, Chelsea.
posted by zutalors! at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016


36 years to go!
posted by zachlipton at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Bill Clinton is retelling his relationship with Hillary Clinton in real time.
posted by nathan_teske at 7:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [70 favorites]


The speech is going ok but he doesn't have to sing all the popular songs of each era.
"Nineteen seventy nine... ROOOXANNE!"
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Sitting the whole scandle I was rather young and in fundamentalist circles, and had it explained to me in Christian terms that divorcing would bring more controversy and be a and prove he wasn't Christian enough.

I wonder about this interpretation from time to time.
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016


Their marriage is like the vampire couple from "Only Lovers Left Alive".
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


He gets the Police Academy vote!
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Had to bring up the Viennese Waltz Gala. DON'T GO THERE
posted by hal9k at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016


The Chelsea stories. Onions.
posted by NorthernLite at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


The convention hall is perfectly dead-ass silent while he talks, which I think says something. His jokes are landing. Everybody is listening.
posted by penduluum at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Is this the moment that Bill Clinton understands emotional labor?
posted by lauranesson at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


talez, I loved Chelsea too and still do. I related to her a lot and I remember being highly offended when I overheard Limbaugh making fun of her appearance.
awwwww:
I had the absolute conviction that my daughter had the best mother in the whole world."
posted by areaperson at 7:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Designated worrier may be the most incisive description of the emotional labor foisted upon women like ever
posted by lazaruslong at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Bill Clinton is a deeply flawed human being and I think a case can be made that he doesn't deserve her but I'm still glad that they found in each other something that made them better than the sum of their parts.
posted by vuron at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [38 favorites]


Nineteen. Nine-nine-ninteneen. Nineteen seventy-nine...
posted by Superplin at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


What I find so fascinating about this speech is that he's harnessing his oratorical gifts to give a narrative story speech focused on family. Before tonight, this is the kind of speech a would-be First Lady would give.

And now a former President of the US is giving it.
posted by sgranade at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [99 favorites]


"The rest of the decade sort of flew by." LOLZ.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]



talez, I loved Chelsea too and still do. I related to her a lot and I remember being highly offended when I overheard Limbaugh making fun of her appearance.


I'm about her age and was horrified by adult men making fun of her appearance as a teenage girl.
posted by zutalors! at 7:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


Love is complicated and richly variegated. Theirs is not my business nor my problem. Bill is problematic, charming, and effective. All this, I believe.
posted by glhaynes at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


He has held her down, I think.

He said something to that effect and basically said he hoped it wasn't a mistake. He sounded quite sincere at that moment.
posted by zachlipton at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Too-ers" instead of tours. That is the real deal country, right there.
posted by winna at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Y'all this is when it's hitting me that a woman is running.. a man giving the presidential spouse speech.
posted by antinomia at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


ALL SIX Police Academy movies. That's some kind of superhuman endurance.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I hit my favorite limit! Thanks, Chelsea!
posted by Ruki at 7:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


weird to mention watching six Police Academy movies back-to-back

"That's a really dated reference, there are seven now." - my boyfriend, who knows that for some reason.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 7:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


“she held a listening tour in 75 counties” = my wife is literally, 100% Leslie Knope
posted by a fiendish thingy at 7:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [68 favorites]


Oh, and fuck Rush Limbaugh.
posted by glhaynes at 7:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]




Sounds awful, being dragged around to preschool graduations.
posted by lauranesson at 7:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


If you ever feel bad about watching too much Netflix or whatever, remember that Bill Clinton accomplished everything he accomplished and still had time for Police Academy deep cuts
posted by jason_steakums at 7:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [65 favorites]


"She's the best darn change maker I ever met in my entire life."
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


"Best darn change maker I ever met in my life."

Great, now I'm crying again.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Speeches like this are fun. Actually doing the work is hard."

YES, YES YES.
posted by winna at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [57 favorites]


I can see why he didn't release the text of this speech. It feels like you're sitting down at the kitchen table with him and he's telling you their life story. It's really intimate and the Andrew Sullivans of the world would never understand why it's so powerful.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


"Changemaker" is a home-run.
posted by wallabear at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was vaguely afraid Bill was going to come out and make the speech all about him, but this is just fantastic.

And it's goddamn amazing all the good she was able to do before they got anywhere near the White House.
posted by Salieri at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [44 favorites]


Never been satisfied?

Angelica Schulyer?

Is that you?
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Was that a Hamilton reference?
posted by Torosaurus at 7:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This talk about working from the ground up and how speeches are fun but doing the dirty work of politics is hard is aimed right at Bernie supporters.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Nice going Hillary, he was right, you have never been satisfied.
posted by telegraph at 7:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


DID HE JUST QUOTE HAMILTON TO COMPARE HIS WIFE TO ANGELICA SCHUYLER
posted by a fiendish thingy at 7:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


"Ain't never been satisfied!"
posted by stet at 7:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's never been satisfied! I'm choosing to believe that was a Hamilton reference.
posted by pupperduck at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bill Clinton thinking of a diplomatic way to say "crony shitheads".
posted by Talez at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Adoptive parents! Yay!
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016


lol bill is throwing shade at tom delay and pointing out that Hillary can work across the aisle at the same time.
posted by winna at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Humanizing Tom Delay? Bold move.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Clinton has the storytelling skills of Lincoln.
posted by persona au gratin at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


"The orphanage."
posted by stet at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Gawker is running a live stream of Bill Clinton's teleprompter if you want to see when he starts to improvise.
posted by Uncle Ira at 7:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Chelsea is now in college!
posted by winna at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's Hamilton all the way down, people.
posted by stet at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


*blinks* wait what where did the time go
posted by acidic at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Love is complicated and richly variegated.

I'm not gonna harp on this for a single comment more but my stance is that it's totally weird the pass Bill gets from democrats for being the pure embodiment of male piggery, the shit he pulled would've gotten me run out on a rail as a young professor at a SLAC and he should be too ashamed to show his face in public period. Maybe we're all of a sudden a bunch of Jonathan Chaits? Apply your intersectionalism! But I guess I'm a hater.
posted by dis_integration at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I think what Bill is nailing here is the overarching message: If you ever thought that Hillary got where she did riding my coat tails, you're so wrong. I got where I did following her lead.
posted by shelbaroo at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [159 favorites]


Somebody needs to run through the transcripts, Bill's speech vs Melania's, and break out and compare the meaningful accomplishments of each of their spouses.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh, man, my mom was also all about the liner paper in the dorm drawers.
posted by rewil at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


YES CHELSEA IS GOING TO SPEAK
posted by mynameisluka at 7:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Props to Michele from Clinton!
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I wish I could tell stories this well. It's near effortless. Like you're just waiting for your bus stop to come, or for your food to finish cooking, and he decided to tell a story. It's a true gift.
posted by cashman at 7:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


I had to deal with household business and missed a little bit, but -- has he mentioned yet that he was president?
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fast forward...two years.
posted by snofoam at 7:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bill got a lot of shit when he campaigned for pandering, but he really isn't -- he always sounds exactly like this. He never really varies his shit based on his audience; he just does different versions of his one, very successful, act. A little schoolteachery, a lot folksy, clearly in command of all the facts without coming off as smarmy or haughty. He's not a listener by disposition, the way they're framing Hillary. He's a talker/teacher. It's a weirdly outdated way of projecting gravitas, leadership. He's humble only in the way good bosses are. It's interesting to watch but I know why people don't really do it this way anymore.
posted by penduluum at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


Pretty sure we've got a ways to go yet, but based on his performance so far there's some unbelievable pwnage coming up.
posted by uosuaq at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


The corpse in the library, he skipped it entirely.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


And then William Jefferson Clinton, in full view of the nation, was possessed by the Fae Voice. His mouth moved on its own, recounting detail after detail, and everything was The Truth. At first the audience found him charming, and then confusing. But all the air in that arena seemed to disappear when his story reached the present moment, and then continued on into a foretelling of the future.

When it was all over, you could have heard a pin drop. Bill was dizzy, and it took him a few moments to realize what had happened.

"Oh shit," he said.

And then everything exploded.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


The difference between these two conventions in a single moment: the DNC crowd can cheer Tom fucking DeLay for being an adoptive parent.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [55 favorites]


I'm about five minutes behind the live feed, and that makes the Gawker feed doubly weird.
posted by anastasiav at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016


The corpse in the library, he hasn't explicitly talked about it other than as context for Hillary's public service as First Lady.
posted by winna at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


*blinks* wait what where did the time go

It's actually Friday night now, we expect him to get to the 2010s sometime in August.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


It's interesting to watch but I know why people don't really do it this way anymore.

Why?
posted by leotrotsky at 7:41 PM on July 26, 2016


How in the fucking hell does he do this so well. just riffing
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I had to deal with household business and missed a little bit, but -- has he mentioned yet that he was president?

Nope, it's been about her.
posted by sebastienbailard at 7:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


My dad LOVES Bill Clinton, always has, and I never really got it. I get it now. He was lukewarm about Hillary but I think this is really going to sway him and a lot of people like him.
posted by theodolite at 7:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Who said he gets a pass? He's not making a policy speech, and he's not running for anything. He's not the candidate. He's making a spouse speech. What the ever loving fuck do Bill's moral failings have to do with the actual candidate, Hillary Clinton?

Yes, please explain how tarnishing a woman with her husband's flaws is an example of progressive intersectionalism. I'll wait.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [181 favorites]


It's almost as if he is one of the most charismatic men who have ever lived???
posted by hleehowon at 7:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


"Newt Gingrich complemented Hillary's competence. Therefore Newt Gingrich is a liar." I love it.
posted by carmicha at 7:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Meanwhile, protesters outside are burning an Israeli flag.
posted by zachlipton at 7:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I had to deal with household business and missed a little bit, but -- has he mentioned yet that he was president?

I didn't realize until you asked, but he didn't and that is just amazing.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


how many times have the children been mentioned? She has done so much more than helping children but this seems like a calculated move and I do not respect or trust Bill Clinton and I could counter almost every point he is making with something else he said. But "won't you think of the children" is kinda obvious.

I'll bow out for the time being but I find this to be insufferable pandering. A good ole days white washing.
posted by futz at 7:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yes, please explain how tarnishing a woman with her husband's flaws is an example of progressive intersectionalism. I'll wait.

Said nothing about Hillary. Just want Bill to shut up.
posted by dis_integration at 7:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Pandering to those of us who care about children, public education, preschool programs? Excellent! I'll take it!
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [89 favorites]


why yes that is how you pronounce "LGBT"
posted by you're a kitty! at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yeah this speech is basically about showing that despite several decades of right wing propaganda thrown at her that Clinton never stopped being true to herself and her values.

There will no doubt be a lot of Republican Women that will see in Hillary Clinton the trials and tribulations that they have faced in their lives and that she's managed to succeed in a world where everything is stacked against her and her every motivation is questioned.

If this speech can get those women to see a little of themselves in Hillary it's golden.
posted by vuron at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


the Andrew Sullivans of the world would never understand why it's so powerful

For what it's worth, Andrew Sullivan is enjoying the speech too:

10:22 p.m. He’s so good. He’s slowly building the case for a woman who has worked her whole life in public service, interspersed with his dating tips. He speaks with brilliantly varying pace, weaving anecdote and argument together. He’s telling us a story. He’s reintroducing this woman to America.
posted by Pfardentrott at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


how many times have the children been mentioned?

That's been one of the themes tonight.
posted by NorthernLite at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


you have made your distaste known, futz, no need to ask us anymore rhetorical questions
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


has he mentioned yet that he was president?

I think only in passing, mentioning that he had arrived with a mandate to drink health care and that she was a natural fit.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's humble only in the way good bosses are. It's interesting to watch but I know why people don't really do it this way anymore.

Because they can't. They don't know how. It's the same reason nobody writes in a fine Italic hand anymore very much. same reason none of these bright-eyed young politicians up there can shoe a horse or extemporize a sonnet. It's a dying art and a god damned tragedy.
posted by queenofbithynia at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


It's Hamilton all the way down, people.

That's why they call him Ten Dollar Bill.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 7:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Just want Bill to shut up.

You're free to tune out!
posted by localhuman at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Can we get an election2016 tag on this?
posted by mostly vowels at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016


Standing ovation :-)
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016


Here comes the Big Dog!
posted by persona au gratin at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016


I guess I feel like Bill Clinton is the least interesting part about Hillary. He has held her down, I think. She has kept by him because she is a forgiving human? This speech is weirdly Feminine-Mystique-y.

A big part of Hillary's cultural impact is that she came of age at a time when it simply wasn't feasible for a woman to achieve the same sorts of success as a man. It just wasn't an option, so she worked the edges and did what she could. The fact that she lived through those times, flourished, and is now the Democratic nominee for president is something that women of Hillary's generation could only dream of. She embodies a generation that has gone from hoping for change to seeing it happen.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [110 favorites]


it's so weird to read a thread of glurge over a group of people who I think are cynical hacks who used their public service as a springboard to make hundreds of millions of dollars influence peddling.

Takes one to know one?
posted by Talez at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


schadenfrau is completely p0wning all y'all on the Bill Clinton moral police
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ooh, bringing in the RNC. "One is real, the other is made up."
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


What have children ever done for us?
posted by glhaynes at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Here's the pitch to independents...
posted by zombieflanders at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016


"One is real, the other is made up" and Elizabeth Warren is fucking GIDDY
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 7:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


That's why they call him Ten Dollar Bill.

Heck, he's a Benjamin.
posted by y2karl at 7:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't think anyone either knows or cares what the Clintons actually believe, it's all about how it make you feel

I'm sick of this condescending crap that no one knows or cares about what the Clintons believe. Like we just wildly swing at the voting levers.
posted by zutalors! at 7:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [66 favorites]


ooh, explicitly talking about the REAL Hillary. I love this.
posted by acidic at 7:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Chelsea's great. I have a silly little story about Chelsea that I won't share, but she's great.

I find this to be insufferable pandering

That's okay. You're almost certainly not the target audience here.
posted by holgate at 7:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


She has done so much more than helping children but this seems like a calculated move

Scripted rhetoric? Calculated?
posted by rorgy at 7:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"One is real, the other is made up." Awesome.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm hard as a pack of muffins, that's why I'm voting for the reanimated corpse of Trotsky this November.
posted by winna at 7:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


For what it's worth, Andrew Sullivan is enjoying the speech too

As it's being given, sure. That's Bill Clinton's magic. But Sullivan would have panned this speech if the text had been released beforehand. He really, -really- hates the Clintons. The fact that he's actually liking it now, while Clinton is speaking, just shows how good Bill is at this.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Good for you, because earlier today, you nominated the real one!
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


Bring it home, Bill.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:48 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNN
posted by mynameisluka at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Yes, that was rhetorical magic.
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm voting the zombie Roosevelt ticket (Teddy as president, F.D.R. as VP).
posted by infinitywaltz at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh shit he's adjusting the mic
posted by rp at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Jesus this is like that scene in Airplane where Ted keeps talking about Elaine and the people next to him are setting themselves on fire, etc.
posted by Cookiebastard at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm hard as a pack of muffins

wait what?
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


HASHTAG BLESSED
posted by cortex at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Bill talking about how "real change is boring" is an effective, although subtle, dig at Trump, who hasn't read a book as an adult and gets all his news from TV.
posted by fitnr at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


The rich, sweet, complex life being told here genuinely makes me tear up -- it is so moving to hear Hillary's life story, and to understand her long, messy, dedicated effort to serve in the real, imperfect, world.
posted by SandCounty at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [38 favorites]


Bill does something Steve Jobs did a lot. Just meander along until you drop the bomb that you've been leading up to a mic dropping moment.
posted by Brainy at 7:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Haha. "We've got to get back on schedule..." because the standing O went more than 10 seconds in a speech that's going to be measured in fortnights at this rate.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


man i like bill clinton in spite of my better judgement
posted by murphy slaw at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


"A real changemaker is a real threat."
posted by EatTheWeek at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Life is complicated and change is hard work but important" is basically all I've ever wanted to hear a Democrat admit out loud. Getting people to applaud that line and believe it will literally change the world.
posted by penduluum at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [75 favorites]


hard as a pack of muffins

ಠ_ಠ
posted by en forme de poire at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Out of office, so he's allowed to do the emphatic finger-pointing thing again (he used to have to capture it with his thumb).
posted by Iris Gambol at 7:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"She'll never quit on you when the going gets tough." - Bill Clinton
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


When I was President I did ... BUT Hillary

Perfect
posted by AlexiaSky at 7:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Holy shit how did they get that many change maker signs out that quickly?
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


remembering the spousal relationship they've had

Unlike some people, I guess, I don't actually know squat about their spousal relationship except that they've been married as long as my own parents through a lot of unqualified bullshit that he pulled. That's the sum total of what I know about their marriage. Not much to go on.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


I love how wonky this speech is. Like Bill and Hillary really want to not just share their history, but also box us into a corner and talk at us for hours about the ramifications of minor changes to education policy and using generic drugs.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


cue "clinton: the changemaker" mentos-style ads in 3 2 1
posted by murphy slaw at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hmmm blue eh?
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think the signs must be under everyone's seats, and they were told to take them out when they heard the key words.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


With so much drama in the DNC
It's kinda hard bein Hill D-O-double-G
But I, somehow, some way
Keep fixing up funky ass shit like every single day
May I, kick a little something for the D's (yeah)
and, score a few votes as (yeah!) I breeze, through
Ten in the evenin and the party's still jumpin
cause Bill ain't home
posted by Talez at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]



Holy shit how did they get that many change maker signs out that quickly?


they're so good with the signs tonight.
posted by zutalors! at 7:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


One of the things I find sweet about Bill is that you can tell how much he loves her by how indignant he gets about people who insult her.
posted by Anonymous at 7:53 PM on July 26, 2016


A+
posted by cashman at 7:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Under one hour! Thank u based god
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


42 minutes. I was too far under.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


As I've apparently confused people I have literally no idea what "hard as a pack of muffins" means it is from mighty boosh and I've always thought it funny.
posted by winna at 7:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


So how long was that?
posted by entropicamericana at 7:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit how did they get that many change maker signs out that quickly?

I saw the whips handing them out after he started his speech in some of the audience shots. The sign game has been on point throughout.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Are you guys upset with an organized convention?
posted by cmfletcher at 7:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


#therealone
posted by PlusDistance at 7:54 PM on July 26, 2016


Maddow's a little upset about the repeated use of "the girl."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm hard as a pack of muffins, that's why I'm voting for the reanimated corpse of Trotsky this November

I thank you for your support.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


From Google: No results found for "hard as a pack of muffins".

Huh.
posted by mhum at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit how did they get that many change maker signs out that quickly?

Because the people running this event are competent, unlike the people running last week's convention.
posted by joedan at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


Apparently there's way more convention left tonight?!
posted by winna at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016


GOD HERSELF is ascending?

The Meryl is coming?

Oh my god Mandy Moore too? I have missed you so much
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hrmm, uncharacteristically succinct from the Big Dog.

Maybe he'll go with the annotated version in 2020
posted by vuron at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just wanna know what kind of muffins
posted by sara is disenchanted at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, try to top this, GOP. Bring out your best beatboxers. I'll wait.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


And your finest Republican comedians.
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yeah Maddow is not a fan of the beginning of that speech.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016


This song is making me cry. Again.
I don't think it's just the tequila.
posted by Superplin at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


A singing dog!
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016


Oh shut up singing people I am CRYING and I don't even care how easy I am.

Jesus, was that Jane Fonda?!
posted by Salieri at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Goddamn this is another home run. It feels like the RNC showed up to a gunfight with a knife, and we showed up with an armored tank division.
posted by schadenfrau at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


Kristen Chenoweth!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016


Are you guys upset with an organized convention?

Hell no.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ooof, MSNBC really didn't like it.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:56 PM on July 26, 2016


IDINA AHHHHH
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016


Holy shit! A woman literally just pushed an old white man away from the mic.
posted by stet at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


A subtext of this is that a woman as president is allowed to be a woman and a president, and maybe that's not quite the same as being a man and a president, so start imagining what might be different about it and get comfortable with it -- not in an aggressive way, but in a mental exercise way. That's to say, it's a speech with men in mind, and perhaps the kind of men who voted for Clinton in '92 and '96 but lean Trumpwards in '16, and maybe that's a bit Feminine Mystique, but it's part of the damn campaign.
posted by holgate at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


I normally have a problem with that, but he called himself "boy" in the story. The point was to show they were both young at the time.
posted by cashman at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE
OMG I am too old to know the famous people anymore, might as well bury me
posted by Andrhia at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Holy crap. They just come fast and thick with celebs.

IDINA MENZEL! OH YEAH!
posted by Talez at 7:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Are you guys upset with an organized convention?

I might have been if we saw one. I think the DNC managed more of a balance than they intended.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016


CONNIE BRITTON
posted by cortex at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


ALAN FUCKING CUMMING
posted by JauntyFedora at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


ALAN CUMMING DANCING WITH HIS DOG
posted by The corpse in the library at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


OK.
This production-- FUCKING UNREAL.
posted by rp at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait Kristen Chenoweth? I thought she was a Republican.

Does that mean that the musical elves are throwing in their lot with Hillary?
posted by vuron at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Brady Bunch?
posted by hal9k at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016


M E R Y L FUCK OH MY
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


A+ political music video montage, 10/10 would watch again
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


As I've apparently confused people

uh I guess I was more curious than confused but uh so yeah hard pack of muffins ok
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Okay, but the song didn't have Scott Baio, so. . . .
posted by Spathe Cadet at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


What is this, Up With People?
posted by entropicamericana at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016


Yeah, when talking about yourself 40+ years ago using "boy" and "girl" doesn't seem inappropriate (I'm a little behind on his speech but he's definitely using "boy" for himself).
posted by thefoxgod at 7:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


SHE'S SO PUMPED
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016


FUCKING CUMMING

not helping
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Seriously, who is producing this? Absolutely amazing job they're doing.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Meryl Streep just gave us the Dean scream Howard didn't.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Jane Fonda was in it. Giant middle finger to the Rs.
posted by Talez at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I expected Bill to go for 90 minutes. I wish he would have. I love listening to him speak.
posted by persona au gratin at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Ester Dean!
posted by rewil at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016


Ooof, MSNBC really didn't like it.

Are they going to have Saint Doctor Jill Stein of the Holy Dilution on to talk about it? Fuck MSNBC.
posted by holgate at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Meryl Streep, acting as Howard Dean's scream translator.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Meryl has been watching Dean.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I didn't know who any of the singers under late 20s are...
Oh wait, was that Sia, how old is she?
posted by NorthernLite at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016


WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE
OMG I am too old to know the famous people anymore, might as well bury me


It's fine, just let it go...
posted by tobascodagama at 7:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I cheered when I saw Alan Cumming, too.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:00 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm turning into fucking billy Eichner over here
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


OH MY GOD, DEBORAH SAMPSON. I WAS OBSESSED WITH HER. I researched her for colonial day in seventh grade and basically LARPed as her, and also now I'm bi and dress in drag sometimes and I can't believe Meryl Streep mentioned this fairly obscure historical figuuuure
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 8:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


OMG Meryl I love what you're wearing. I love what you're doing.
posted by Lutoslawski at 8:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Meryl Streep has found the store where Ms. Frizzle buys her dresses.
posted by palindromic at 8:00 PM on July 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


Wow I zoned out for a sec and thought Meryl was saying Hillary Clinton served in Washington's army
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Shout out to Shirley Chisholm!
posted by winna at 8:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh wait, was that Sia, how old is she?

40.
posted by Talez at 8:01 PM on July 26, 2016


palindromic don't even go there my desire to have Meryl be Ms. Frizzle IRL is already at a breaking point
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I WANT TO GIVE HER AN OSCAR AND SHE'S NOT EVEN ACTING
posted by mcstayinskool at 8:02 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh and John Michael Higgins in it as well. Aisha Tyler who I have a giant nerd crush on. Kristin Chenoweth, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Julie Bowen are the ones I remember off hand.
posted by Talez at 8:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Streep's speech is making me think of Lumberjanes interjections. Great Shirley Chisholm!
posted by The corpse in the library at 8:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I need an annotated version of the video, I think....
posted by anastasiav at 8:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


We'll never be free until we end slavery.
posted by stet at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


and now... the... video
posted by hal9k at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016


I feel such incredible love. The diversity, the emphasis on accessibility, the inclusion of so many points of view... I've always resisted being a Democrat despite agreeing with them on 90% of the things, but it's like they made this freaking convention to match my deepest hearts desires.
posted by Deoridhe at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


oh no "these were our founders too" oh let me live
posted by you're a kitty! at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm sitting here literally screaming Shirley Chisholm and Meryl's names hoooooly shit she was amazing
posted by kalimac at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


This video though.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016


And there it is.

Oh shit, stonewall!
posted by stet at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016


Lily Tomlin is sad that you guys are trying to give away her acting roles to Meryl "I have way too many Oscars already" Streep.

Why are you guys so mean?
posted by vuron at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016


Tiny clip of lindy hop at the Savoy Ballroom, there's the swing dancer vote all sewn up.
posted by kevin is... at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Vote Different?
posted by ZeusHumms at 8:04 PM on July 26, 2016


Please, DNC, we need more mentions of trans women in this conversation this week. Don't fail us in that regard
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I really like speeches and I hate videos. Boo videos. BOOOOOOOOO
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Anybody know who the narrator is here?
posted by zachlipton at 8:05 PM on July 26, 2016


Okay, it's 10 pm central and I have work tomorrow. Be safe,

I'm very impressed with the thread and the DNC
posted by AlexiaSky at 8:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]




That's it. I'm never taking off my Hillary shirt. I'll just grow around it. It'll be fine.
posted by schadenfrau at 8:05 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


The little girl on screen when "she can be anything she wants to be" is read is the cutest wee moppet on earth.
posted by winna at 8:06 PM on July 26, 2016




Fuck everyone who says no one is excited about voting for Hillary. I would vote for her early and often.
(You know, if that weren't illegal and stuff.)
posted by Superplin at 8:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


I do what I want!
posted by Sophie1 at 8:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Another step forward" should be the theme
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow, even the Fox News panel was effusive about this speech, in a good way, for all of 10 seconds. Also it's the only thing they've shown in it's entirety this evening.

I'm staying at the SeaTac Shittyass Motel that has only Fox News and sketchy wifi that can't stream shit
posted by wallabear at 8:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Anybody know who the narrator is here?

Internet is saying Mary Steenburgen.
posted by girlmightlive at 8:07 PM on July 26, 2016


Now we're on Alicia Keys singing Superwoman. They just don't end.
posted by Talez at 8:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


> That's it. I'm never taking off my Hillary shirt. I'll just grow around it. It'll be fine

Ha, I'm in mine too, and I can't wear it tomorrow because it would be inappropriate for some volunteer stuff I'm doing, and I'm so displeased about that situation.
posted by The corpse in the library at 8:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


that video got me gross-sobbing

guess this is just who i am huh
posted by you're a kitty! at 8:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I love that Alicia Keys is not wearing any make-up!! LOVE IT!!
posted by PorcineWithMe at 8:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Brought to you by MacBook Air
posted by hal9k at 8:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Keys: "Big up to Bernie Sanders."

Classy AF.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I need Janelle Monae up there with Alicia asap please
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


hard as a pack of muffins

that's a whole lot of muffins in the trunk
posted by bonehead at 8:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I am very full of emotion and also gonna be ordering some Hillary swag as soon as I get a paycheck in because wow. I just...did not expect to be this moved, and this motivated by this election.
posted by kalimac at 8:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Talez: "Now we're on Alicia Keys singing Superwoman. They just don't end."

The contrast to the stale frat party playlist of the RNC is pretty stark.
posted by octothorpe at 8:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Fuck everyone who says no one is excited about voting for Hillary. I would vote for her early and often.
(You know, if that weren't illegal and stuff.)


Early voting is a thing! A really good thing!

I do recommend that people only vote once per election, though.
posted by tobascodagama at 8:09 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Segueing into In Common.
posted by Talez at 8:10 PM on July 26, 2016


Alicia Keys is a trooper, but this song is ??
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Dance party, y'all!
posted by Sophie1 at 8:10 PM on July 26, 2016


This registered Independent, former Republican (left the party during the disastrous Cheney/Rove administration), just made his very first political donation.

I'm with her.
posted by zakur at 8:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [106 favorites]


Alicia Keys is on message.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


This is such a great way to wrap up the evening. Keys is a goddess.
posted by longdaysjourney at 8:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The contrast to the stale frat party playlist of the RNC is pretty stark.

One advantage the Ds definitely have is liberal entertainers that deal with everyone on a regular basis and can't afford to be bigoted fucks.
posted by Talez at 8:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Alicia Keys is going to finish unifying the party with the power of a single slow jam
posted by jason_steakums at 8:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


but this song is ??

Making that whole unity thing sound dope, basically.
posted by cortex at 8:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Okay now I really need Janelle up there

This is so awkward
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:11 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


All the men. So many. Finally.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm watching this and I don't even understand what that thing the GOP put on last week even was.
posted by billyfleetwood at 8:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


I'm kind of digging it. Then again, I just used the word "digging."
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 8:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm so impressed with how on message everyone is but at the same time so different in how the message relates to their own lived experience.
posted by Jalliah at 8:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I don't really care if HRC is pretending that these are her values. Even if she's faking, I want someone who is faking these values.
posted by stet at 8:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [55 favorites]


HOLY SHIT
posted by The corpse in the library at 8:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


LMAO at the sudden cheers then immediate shushing for presidents nobody likes
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:12 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


OH SHIT

This stagecraft is out of control.

HILLARY!!!!
posted by Salieri at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


ARE THEY DOING THIS THING WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL PORTRAITS

YES, YES THEY ARE
posted by winna at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Lol cheering for all our favorite early twentieth century presidents
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


So the republicans had what, GE Smith trolling??
posted by Floydd at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy shit the glass breaking, and now I'm back to endless weeping
posted by Andrhia at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


lol the rapidly fluctuating cheers during that montage of presidents. wooo jimmy carter boooo reagan.
posted by yasaman at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


it's like the dead reel at the Oscars
posted by Iris Gambol at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I have a lot of qualms about the DNC, but man, if anything could sell you on being a democrat, it's how immensely more joyful and more hopeful the DNC is. If you showed someone these two conventions, someone who didn't know anything about either group, and asked them "who would you rather make a country with?" I just can't imagine anyone not picking this one.
posted by Lutoslawski at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


Glass shatters. Should've been the Stone Cold theme though!
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS OH GOD
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Wow
posted by hal9k at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!
posted by Sophie1 at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Seriously, who the fuck is producing this!? Amazing.
posted by longdaysjourney at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


hahahahaha broken glass effect this is SO CHEESY i'm delighted
posted by you're a kitty! at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


#icanteven
posted by ramix at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


OK COME THE FUCK ON THAT WAS INCREDIBLE I JUST RAN INTO THE OTHER ROOM SCREAMING
posted by cashman at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [47 favorites]


Live from New York it's TUESDAY NIGHT HILLARY!
posted by Talez at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Holy heck the production of this is so good.
posted by Jalliah at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


ahahaha shit that glass breaking thing
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This might actually be the best convention I have ever seen.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 8:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I JUST LOST MY SHIT LIKE OHHHHHHHH MY GOD
posted by kalimac at 8:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


WOW. I'm literally sobbing here. I didn't expect to be so moved.
posted by peacheater at 8:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Was that supposed to happen? What?
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:14 PM on July 26, 2016


If the 30 Burners walking out and standing around the press tent for a little while this afternoon is the lead story tomorrow I am going to quit the planet.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


I really love Alicia Keys but holy hell I guess I am not at all the demographic this is targeted towards, because I have really not found much to be inspired by tonight. But more power to you, everyone who has.
posted by likeatoaster at 8:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


My "little girl who stayed up late to watch" just pumped her fist in the air.
posted by The corpse in the library at 8:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [63 favorites]


Shut up I'm not crying you're crying!
posted by Salieri at 8:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Ha ha! That breaking of the glass through all the other presidents was super awesome. Loved that.
posted by adamt at 8:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"If there are any little girls out there who stayed up late to watch, I may become the first woman president, but one of you is next."
posted by winna at 8:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [72 favorites]


EEEE, that was Sister Mary for a hot second! She's amazing!
posted by kalimac at 8:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I can assume this glass-breaking is going better than that episode of Veep, then?
posted by zombieflanders at 8:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


not gonna lie I'm side-eying this but it may just be an allergy from my evangelical background or maybe flashbacks from Donald Trump's Fascist Festival last week
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


SMASHED IT. BOOM.
posted by pemberkins at 8:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ok America Ferrera and HRC are the ones that made me cry
posted by zutalors! at 8:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow. Tony Campolo. Evangelical.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:15 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


You are!
posted by Sophie1 at 8:15 PM on July 26, 2016


I'm sure Hillary wasn't supposed to come on in the middle of the song. Come on y'all get the stagecraft together.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:15 PM on July 26, 2016




Oh you all that was her MIC DROP LINE
posted by winna at 8:15 PM on July 26, 2016


Where are the sea of lighters?
posted by hal9k at 8:15 PM on July 26, 2016


My little girls are asleep in bed, but they're definitely going to see this in the morning.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 8:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


They kept the beat high in the mix for the first part of her speech and for a second I was like, if she's going to rap this speech I am fully on board.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Franklin Pierce Rep-Ruh-Zent!
posted by Captain l'escalier at 8:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


OK so Tony Campolo is the godfather of the evangelical left. Brilliant choice.
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Not a Christian here, but I love Christians who do Christlike stuff.
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 8:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


GAVEL!!!
posted by Salieri at 8:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


The production of this is staggering. 2012's was nowhere near this good. And this is day 2.
posted by rorgy at 8:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Somewhere Roger Waters is speed dialing his lawyer.
posted by hal9k at 8:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The gavel!
posted by zachlipton at 8:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yep. And recently came out for marriage equality.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh god the gavel. I love this convention.
posted by Skorgu at 8:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


No gavel again!
posted by octothorpe at 8:18 PM on July 26, 2016


If she had forgotten the gavel would everyone have to stay?
posted by lkc at 8:18 PM on July 26, 2016


The fuck is with these people and their gavels?
posted by stet at 8:18 PM on July 26, 2016


Everyone is happy and excited and it's now recessed until tomorrow.
posted by winna at 8:18 PM on July 26, 2016


oh my god the gavel DON'T FORGET THE GAVEL
posted by you're a kitty! at 8:19 PM on July 26, 2016


The gavel again!
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:19 PM on July 26, 2016


Ah ha ha ha ha. The audience had her back with the gavel.
posted by Deoridhe at 8:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


LOL, seriously need gavel fanfic right now.
posted by longdaysjourney at 8:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Someone put together a gavel supercut.
posted by octothorpe at 8:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


OH NO NOT TWICE!!
posted by EatTheWeek at 8:19 PM on July 26, 2016


I am punch-drunk with emotion tonight. I missed most of this thread because my eyes were too full to read, the lines kept blurring. I will have to backtrack tomorrow because I do want to share it with ya'll and hear your great comments and thoughts. Just dropping by to wish everyone sweet, sweet dreams.
posted by madamjujujive at 8:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


I'm old enough that I was able to get a press pass to see Geraldine Ferraro at the convention way back when. So I have tears rolling down my cheeks because Hilary promised the little girls watching that one of them would be the next female president. I remember listening to NPR when I was in college and noticing that something was wrong. Do you know what was wrong? There were two female hosts instead of one guy and one gal. It took me a while to figure out that it wasn't something wrong, it was something wonderful. Many many years later I saw my first female firefighter and first female police woman and in both cases I ran up to these women with tears in my eyes and thanked them. My grandson is not even two years old yet and his life is going to be better living in a world in which the United States is willing to elect Hillary Clinton as president. Not because she is female, but because she is the best person for the job. And the fact that she has ovaries is like a twofer. I never wanted to vote for Hillary because she is female. And now I don't have to. I am so fucking grateful for that.
posted by Bella Donna at 8:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [68 favorites]


Is the gavel a bit at this point?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Better wrap that gavel up, b.
posted by cashman at 8:19 PM on July 26, 2016


If trump wins I am 1000000% blaming that god dang gavel
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


god that little hands-raised-head-shake-smile was super adorable
posted by you're a kitty! at 8:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


How does someone get to attend the DNC? Is it like Comic Con? Do I just need to register? Because I would really like to go next time in full, historically accurate Democratic regalia so I can loudly cheer for all these neat people too
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I missed the stream last night so this is my first run in with THE GAVEL - does it always do a deep bass kick like that?
posted by jason_steakums at 8:20 PM on July 26, 2016


It's a nice counterpoint, likely intentional, to the artificial gavel sound the RNC used.
posted by yesster at 8:20 PM on July 26, 2016


Wow, so many feelings. Thanks for keeping me company and keeping me sane, MeFites!
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 8:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


No the gavel thing is adorable at this point

Someone hide it tomorrow
posted by schadenfrau at 8:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


How does someone get to attend the DNC?

Here you go!

Become a Democratic National Convention Delegate
posted by longdaysjourney at 8:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Omg that was amazing. Go Hillary.go women.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 8:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ah ha ha ha ha. The audience had her back with the gavel.
posted by Deoridhe at 8:19 PM on July 26
[+] You hit your favorite limit for the day. [!]


First time in ten years on Metafilter; and right at the gavel, perfect. History changing all over the place tonight.
posted by EatTheWeek at 8:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


There's obviously a lot more to a presidency than a convention, but how your convention goes says a lot about your ability to organize, delegate, focus, and lead. It's a chance to show you can rise to the moment when a thousand moving parts need to coordinate to send just the right message. It's like a résumé for the presidency. And there's just no comparison so far. Clinton's ahead by miles.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 8:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


I missed it, unfortunately, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to watch the whole thing the second it's on YouTube.

Thanks for the play-by-play in the meantime, MeFi, you lovely people.
posted by defenestration at 8:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yes but where do I submit headshots of myself in full Democratic Regalia

Is that somewhere down the page
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Shit guys, my housemate is watching with me and I am not comfortable sobbing in front of him what do i do

for future reference you should mace him so he cries too
posted by poffin boffin at 8:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [68 favorites]


hermione, your regular school robes will be fine don't overthink it
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


I am glad I watched this convention. It is powerful magic and medicine for me, for all of, some of us.
posted by Oyéah at 8:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I will confess that one of the reasons I would love to go to 2020's DNC is to get to wear a silly hat on TV.
posted by longdaysjourney at 8:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


sincere thank you, longdaysjourney
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


> LOL, seriously need gavel fanfic right now

"Pounded by the DNC Gavel"
posted by The corpse in the library at 8:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [53 favorites]


Somehow Chuck Todd is the one reining in Rachel Maddow
posted by schadenfrau at 8:26 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


But I am already working on my enchanted United States of America hat

It will feature a larger than life bald eagle that screams indefinitely any time I get too close to a Trump supporter
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


waiting for tingle
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ha ha! That breaking of the glass through all the other presidents was super awesome. Loved that.

Somewhere in Alaska, a former governor can now only express her rage-envy through angrily scrawled stick-figure pictures.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


People of Metafilter: I adore you. Thank you for a great night and see you tomorrow.
posted by Sophie1 at 8:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


"Pounded by the DNC Gavel"

please stop
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It will feature a larger than life bald eagle that scream indefinitely any time I get too close to a Trump supporter

hermione i'm pretty sure luna lovegood wore that exact hat in book five or six
posted by rorgy at 8:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I shared on Facebook:

"If there are any little girls out there who stayed up late to watch, I may become the first woman president, but one of you is next."

Surely that is a political sentiment that my boss won't fault me for sharing.
posted by Joey Michaels at 8:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


anyone know where i can find that last video (these are our founders too)?
posted by you're a kitty! at 8:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


No, wait, better idea

Bald eagle hat will scream this instead
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:30 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


You guys, thank you. Watching these conventions with Metafilter threads lets me share history with all of you, and that feels important and necessary.
posted by schadenfrau at 8:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


I may be done with Rachel maddow and msnbc after this.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 8:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I stopped at the bar after work, and some older guy—a Trump supporter—tried to start an argument with me about Muslims. I said my piece and tried to stand up in the face of bullshit, but after that didn't want to take the bait. As he left, talking shit, I was a bit upset... but the conversation with the young woman tending bar put me at ease—she was so on point. A former fervent Bernie Sanders supporter who was now excited about electing Hillary Clinton. We're going to be all right.
posted by defenestration at 8:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


I love Rachel Maddow but I don't agree with her on this. Sorry.
posted by ramix at 8:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


First day ended with a Jewish prayer, today with a Christian prayer - odds of a Muslim prayer ending one of the remaining days? The Republicans heads would explode.
posted by scodger at 8:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


CNN is pretty good if you're not liking MSNBC right now.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:33 PM on July 26, 2016


What were Rachel and MSNBC doing? General contrarian hot-take-itude?
posted by tonycpsu at 8:33 PM on July 26, 2016


"If there are any little girls out there who stayed up late to watch, I may become the first woman president, but one of you is next."

That would require a minimum 30-40 year gap between female presidents. Time to get somebody in her 40s on deck. Now.
posted by oneswellfoop at 8:33 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


odds of a Muslim prayer ending one of the remaining days? The Republicans heads would explode.

The Republicans ended one of their days with a Muslim benediction.
posted by Justinian at 8:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I may be done with Rachel maddow and msnbc after this

Me too. i guess Chris Hayes is on vacation? I feel like Rachel was more enthusiastic about the Trumps, honestly.
posted by zutalors! at 8:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Amy Klobuchar 2024!
posted by Flannery Culp at 8:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Time to get somebody in her 40s on deck.

I thought we were all cool with Tulsi Gabbard/Cory Booker 2024? Right? Cool? We all cool with that?
posted by Talez at 8:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


odds of a Muslim prayer ending one of the remaining days? The Republicans heads would explode.

We already had one for the start of today's session. The Republicans had one too from the one-man organization "Muslims for Trump."
posted by zachlipton at 8:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm going to (FINALLY) replace my three-year-old daughter's love of Katy Perry's Roar with this fight song, very happily.

Holy wow.

Good job.
posted by rp at 8:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hayes is on the floor.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:37 PM on July 26, 2016


After watching her run things today, I'd be interested in learning more about Baltimore mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake as a possible future world leader.
posted by Joey Michaels at 8:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Time to get somebody in her 40s on deck.

Kamala Harris is coming to a presidency near you very soon (after a brief stop as Senator from the great state of California).
posted by longdaysjourney at 8:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


any chance Amy Poehler is going to be one of the celebrities tomorrow or Thursday? After Bill's speech revealing Hillary really is just real-life Leslie Knoppe, I'd love to see it.
posted by skewed at 8:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


"She wrote about it, is how I know the bit I know about their spousal relationship"

I have the audiobook out from the library and she reads it. It is pretty compelling. She doesn't hold anything back. The part where she tells about him having to tell Chelsea not only what he'd done, but that he lied about it, was very moving.
posted by Altomentis at 8:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Kamala is great!
posted by persona au gratin at 8:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


CNN is pretty good if you're not liking MSNBC right now.

Not really. If they actually talked about what happened during the DNC - the event they're covering - instead of giving that right wing freak Jeffrey Lord that makes wild statements, maybe it would be good. But it isn't. We all saw what happened and the energy that was the night. And you turn on CNN, and they're just rambling on and talking about trump and casually mentioning things like it wasn't just electric in there. I'm done with CNN and MSNBC. I'll turn them both on and flip back and forth when I can't just watch CSPAN, but they're just so disappointing tonight. I'm looking forward to tomorrow's DNC and Thursday's. Still to speak - Barack, Biden, Hillary. The DNC is absolutely rolling.
posted by cashman at 8:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]



Hayes is on the floor.


People have said that, but I've mostly seen clips of other white guys in glasses that I think people are mistaking for Hayes.
posted by zutalors! at 8:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I love this thread and everyone in it, yes, you too, people I disagree with. Marvelous.
posted by rtha at 8:40 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


I'd be interested in learning more about Baltimore mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake as a possible future world leader.

Yeah, I strongly suspect we'll be seeing more of her! Maryland Senator Mikulski is 80 and will be retiring in 2018 after her current term ends...
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 8:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


That's fair. It's better than MSNBC, though, only because it has David Axelrod.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


any chance Amy Poehler is going to be one of the celebrities tomorrow or Thursday? After Bill's speech revealing Hillary really is just real-life Leslie Knoppe, I'd love to see it.

I was just wondering if they have women comedians lined up for every night of the convention and if so, are Amy Poehler and Kate McKinnon among them and if so are we getting a Hillary-Off at some point in this show or what??
posted by EatTheWeek at 8:42 PM on July 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


I've seen Hayes there. He's with Matthews.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:42 PM on July 26, 2016


I missed the Mothers of the Movement, and can't seem to find a clip - if anyone spots one I would love a link.
posted by une_heure_pleine at 8:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh my goodness, PBS has Charlie Rose and Jeff Greenwald discussing what Hillary needs to do after discussing what Bill needs to do because this was taped before Bill spoke. And Greenwald is insisting that Hillary needs to admit she was careless or wrong yada yada. As if that is what the convention is about. This is driving me crazy. Good night, beloved MeFites.
posted by Bella Donna at 8:43 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well, one Buster among my Facebook friends has switched to Hillary after watching tonight. The other Buster, well, still angry.
posted by dw at 8:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


I'm glad we watched the straight feed without someone's commentary.
posted by Altomentis at 8:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Poor Hayes. He drew the short straw and has to drag Chris Matthews around all day long.
posted by downtohisturtles at 8:44 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yep. Albright pointed out Putin wants Trump.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The LA Times has Mothers of the Movement video.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 8:45 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Time to get somebody in her 40s on deck. Now.

We've also seen Gillibrand and Klobuchar this convention, but I expect metafilter would be unhappy with their generally centrist records (not a snark; their ideal points estimates are clearly to the right of (H) Clinton's).
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wish CSpan were in HD.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:46 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm glad we watched the straight feed without someone's commentary.
posted by Altomentis at 8:44 PM on July 26 [1 favorite −] Favorite added! [!]

This!
Convention coverage was being watched in another room, while I had a livestream going and I am further convinced that I am never watching network television stuff ever again.
posted by Golem XIV at 8:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I missed the Mothers of the Movement, and can't seem to find a clip - if anyone spots one I would love a link.

CSPAN has your back -- they actually have what appears to be all of the segments conveniently indexed for your recapping pleasure.

Here's Mothers of the Movement.
posted by jammer at 8:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


This convention is so well executed it is actually kinda terrifying. On the other hand, no matter how well written or produced, I don't think it could be as powerful if it had a message other than loving, respecting and supporting each other. It's a perfectly constructed media event that somehow also really defies cynicism.
posted by snofoam at 8:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


> I wish CSpan were in HD.

I've been watching C-SPAN HD all night on Comcast.
posted by zrail at 8:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


dw: I have basically unfollowed most of my Berner friends. Too tempted to argue pointlessly which would be on me. Not sure how you manage. :)
posted by R343L at 8:50 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can someone sum up Maddow's take? Or provide a part of it. I don't have cable.
posted by defenestration at 8:51 PM on July 26, 2016


I like the symbolism at the end: POWERFUL HILLARY SMASH!! And then that glass breaking stuff. Guys can relate to that.
posted by hal9k at 8:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The LA Times has Mothers of the Movement video.
Thanks, Spathe Cadet, much appreciated.
posted by une_heure_pleine at 8:52 PM on July 26, 2016


Love all y'all. See you tomorrow.
posted by penduluum at 8:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


We've also seen Gillibrand and Klobuchar this convention, but I expect metafilter would be unhappy with their generally centrist records (not a snark; their ideal points estimates are clearly to the right of (H) Clinton's).

Not Gillibrand. Gillibrand is literally a Rockefeller Republican in Democrat's clothing and can get away with it because it's New York.
posted by Talez at 8:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Real damn late to this conversation but....

But what I can’t get over is: why does this moment seem to be more about Bernie than Hillary? Why does he get so much credit for doing what she did 8 years ago?

Because for the past 36 years - pretty much my entire adult life - liberal has been made to be a dirty word and everything that once was the commons of this nation, hell, the middle class itself, has been up on the chopping block. Sanders was the first politician in a long damn time who called bullshit on that noise and made it work. If he can get his supporters to be half as passionate about the down ticket elections this year and the 2018 midterms, he will have had a major and lasting effect on American politics in the 21st century.

Clinton's success have been working within the system. Sander's success has been working on the system.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 8:53 PM on July 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


I saw it on a PBS feed. No commentary. Wonderful.
posted by Oyéah at 8:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Charles Pierce: This Is How Liberals Behave on the Day the First Woman Is Nominated for President?:
A little before seven last night, when the votes of the South Dakota delegation were cast, the Democratic Party nominated Hillary Rodham Clinton, the first woman ever nominated by a major party for President of the United States. Not long after that, her primary opponent, an avowed Socialist named Bernie Sanders, moved that her nomination be declared by acclamation, and it was. So, naturally, the next thing that happened was that the press tent behind the Wells Fargo Center was occupied by disgruntled progressives because that's what happens when a major political party nominates the first woman ever nominated for President of the United States. I remain amazed.
posted by palindromic at 8:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


So I too found some of the first half of Bill's speech cringeworthy, but right here is the bit that brought me back around (from the rush transcript):
We were married in that little house on October the 11th, 1975. I married my best friend. I was still in awe after more than four years of being around her at how smart and strong and loving and caring she was. And I really hoped that her choosing me and rejecting my advice to pursue her own career was a decision she would never regret.
That line, loaded with far more baggage than any airline would ever allow, coupled with that seemingly soul-baring delivery, the way his voice trails off a little on "regret," there's something in there. It doesn't make up for what he did or said, but as far as the speech went, that line got me back on board fast after my initial misgivings about the shameless skirt-chasing.
posted by zachlipton at 8:57 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Glass breaking video for those who missed it
posted by localhuman at 8:58 PM on July 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Charles Pierce: Some Nights Are Bigger Than Politics:
Oddly enough, none of these women mentioned the TPP. Not one of them brought up globalization or why the exit polls didn't quite match up with the results in New Hampshire. They spoke only of their own experience of loss and faith, and their own experiences with HRC. They were the direct descendants of Fannie Lou Hamer, who walked out of a Democratic convention for real because a legitimately corrupt and vicious system was coming apart and she was giving it one last push to topple it for good.
posted by palindromic at 9:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Bill made quite a point in his speech. Hillary has spent her entire life, since she was in college, rolling the rock up the hill. What has Trump ever done?

Obama made a similar joke a few months ago. He said that Bernie's slogan was Feel the Bern. Hillary's slogan was Trudge Up the Hill. It's boring but that's what it takes to get things done.
posted by JackFlash at 9:01 PM on July 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


I hope there's a lot of great post-convention sex in philly tonight.
posted by Annika Cicada at 9:06 PM on July 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Clinton's success have been working within the system. Sander's success has been working on the system.

Come on now, Clinton's very presence in the system was working on it. Her gender itself was groundbreaking, which (as we know from myriad gender discrimination studies) left her without the option of playing the strident ideologue if she wanted to maintain a political career.
posted by Anonymous at 9:06 PM on July 26, 2016


It's almost as if he is one of the most charismatic men who have ever lived???

this was hours back but yes, in fact, he is. it's like basking in the fucking glow of a warm fire on a fucking winter's evening or something, i s2g. i met him about 5-6 years ago at a private fundraiser related to my old job and i had maybe a 5 minute convo with him about the project my org was working on and idek what the fuck i said or what he said or what anyone said but man when he shook my hand and fucking twinkled at me with those stupid eyes and i was like oh right, i get it now.

i think i just violated my nda
posted by poffin boffin at 9:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [99 favorites]


Every moment of this convention has been a mic drop moment.
posted by rp at 9:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


i had maybe a 5 minute convo with him about the project my org was working on and idek what the fuck i said or what he said or what anyone said but man when he shook my hand and fucking twinkled at me with those stupid eyes and i was like oh right, i get it now.

That's what I've heard from everyone who meets him. You are just struck by his charisma. He makes you feel like you're the only two people in the room. I even heard one story of him meeting some guy at a restaurant or somewhere similar and then running into him years later and remembering his name.
posted by downtohisturtles at 9:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


> i met him about 5-6 years ago at a private fundraiser related to my old job and i had maybe a 5 minute convo with him about the project my org was working on and idek what the fuck i said or what he said or what anyone said but man when he shook my hand and fucking twinkled at me with those stupid eyes and i was like oh right, i get it now.

I met him when he was still one of the many dudes running for the nomination way back in the dark ages, because my girlfriend at the time worked for NARAL and he came by a thing (we were stapling signs to poles for a march) and he shook my hand and said maybe two words to me, and ladies and gentleman, this 7-on-the-Kinsey-scale dyke has never forgotten that.
posted by rtha at 9:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [63 favorites]


I wonder if the DNC and RNC had been the challenges in a season finale of The Apprentice. Who d'ya think would get fiy-yahed?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 9:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Day 2 highlights:
Tom Harkin teaching everyone to sign "America"
Jerry Emmett, 102 year old woman, casting Arizona's votes for Hillary
Mothers of the Movement
Howard Dean bringing back the scream, even without the yeah
The second half of Bill's speech
Alicia Keys
That corny glass shattering video
The gavel, again!

Day 2 lowlights:
Delegates chanting "this is not what democracy looks like" after what was just a historic expression of democracy that meant a great deal to many people
Protesters burning an Israeli flag while chanting "long live the intifada," because I wanted one goddamn night to be positive about
posted by zachlipton at 9:20 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


wow, just watched the breaking glass video and the Elizabeth Banks led Fight Song video. That is some weapons grade propaganda, and I mean that in the best way. Fucking competent.
posted by skewed at 9:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I just want to thank all of you for live-commenting. When I hit to the wave of YASSSSS for the glass breaking and the quote about the little girl who can grow up to be president, it got me crying.
posted by salvia at 9:23 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Annika Cicada: I hope there's a lot of great post-convention sex in philly tonight.

If anyone were in striking distance of me (not in Philly) they'd be getting so lucky right now.
Especially if they happened to have, say, a Hillary T-shirt or button to wear.
(I mean, this says a lot, because sadly most of her designs are butt ugly but I would be all over them at the mo'.)
posted by Superplin at 9:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I even heard one story of him meeting some guy at a restaurant or somewhere similar and then running into him years later and remembering his name.

I have one kinda like that. A friend of mine went to grad school at UCSB and a friend (older grad student or prof) there mentioned one time meeting him and suggested, I guess it was "don't stop believing" as a campaign song. A few years later, my friend reads clintons bio and there is a little aside about some student at UCSB suggesting it and he remembered the conversation and surroundings well enough and put it in the book, but didn't mention the former student by name.

Sorry for the vagaries. Its in a 12 year old email archive, but struck me as one of those funny stories.
posted by lkc at 9:27 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


sadly most of her designs are butt ugly

except also awesome

(Mine arrived this afternoon and I've been using the one on the left all day while I "do work" and watch the convention.)
posted by dersins at 9:31 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Makes me think of Trump in a bizzaro world version of West Wing. The thing about the President's secret plan to fight inflation ISIS.

It turns out this joke was so good the Clinton campaign already put out a release the other day titled "Donald Trump’s Secret Plan to Fight ISIS."
posted by zachlipton at 9:32 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm trying to wrap up my feels here...

I came of age under the Reagan/Bush/Clinton years and then Bush II happened like a train gone of the rails to a world I could scarcely bear to live in. To see *this tonight* 8 years away from the darkest period of my lifetime (and Reagan was no fucking picnic), the 2000 election recounts and the 8 years of horror that came after it, remembering farther back to my "cynical optimism" in the 90's, where I believed "why the fuck not just live the rest of my life smoking weed, making drone-rock and building websites, the future has arrived!", remembering further back still to my childhood, looking at maps of Dallas, drawing nuclear blast rings around major city landmarks, trying my best to sort out "how many seconds do I have until the concussion wave hits white rock lake and kills me?" while reagan talked about SDI on the television... Take that life and then fast forward to tonight where Bill Clinton just rewinded my world and took me on a tour of my whole life, showing me how an amazing woman has been here fighting for ALL of us this whole fucking time and I didn't even know it. I mean, for most of my life she's been there, someone I at first derided and later respected, but never felt like this. I get it. She's got it.

Bernie, thank you for getting a few more leftward planks on the platform. I'm gonna fucking make you proud of the work you put into this.
posted by Annika Cicada at 9:35 PM on July 26, 2016 [107 favorites]


This is by far my favorite piece of Hillary merch.
posted by nonasuch at 9:39 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I actually liked the first half of Bill's speech (and the second half). The themes are pretty standard for an aspiring-First-Spouse speech, and I think that it was a subtle way of emphasizing how Hillary existed prior to him and separate from him, and how she faced the same struggle between career and family that so many women faced then and today.
And I really hoped that her choosing me and rejecting my advice to pursue her own career was a decision she would never regret.
That was my favorite part of the speech. The delivery and the words themselves carried the weight of so much unspoken pain and gratitude that it seemed he might sink into the floor.
posted by Anonymous at 9:43 PM on July 26, 2016


Ok, I have a Metafilter Mystery. I ran out of favorites (first time!) at 11:18PM (C) and at 11:50PM I forgot and liked a comment and it worked....
posted by threeturtles at 9:51 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's a rolling 24-hour window, not a fixed one.
posted by restless_nomad at 9:52 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh...thanks. Someone yesterday was suggesting changing the time to be after midnight to get new favorites, so I assumed it was tied to calendar days.
posted by threeturtles at 9:55 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


@Annika Cicada I'm trying to wrap up my feels here...

I cannot favroite this enough. Me too. I grew up in Ohio, but it's the same here.
posted by rp at 9:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Mod note: I don't think there's much point in bringing in appalling things that appalling people have said just to fight over them. Thanks.
posted by restless_nomad (staff) at 10:08 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


After DNC leaks, Obama hints at possible motive for Russia to help Trump

Am I hallucinating? What is this election
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:10 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Bernie's brother's Wikipedia page is fascinating. For two first generation kids who grew up poor in New York, they did alright.
posted by anastasiav at 10:13 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


After DNC leaks, Obama hints at possible motive for Russia to help Trump

Am I hallucinating? What is this election


Whoa. President Obama wouldn't be jumping into this unless he was pretty damn sure there was a 'there' there.
posted by tivalasvegas at 10:14 PM on July 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


I have the biggest grin on my face right now. Which is so refreshing - I've been in these election threads since the beginning of the clown car days. I was a die hard Bernie supporter. I grudgingly accepted Clinton fairly close to the end of the primary, as I was really unhappy with the messaging of the Sanders campaign at the time. I certainly was not a Clinton fan then, and I was just feeling really beat down in general.

I stopped actively participating in some of the more recent threads, because I was just so tired, yet I couldn't stop following them. I knew it wasn't good for my mental health, but I just couldn't stop obsessing over this election and these threads. The RNC threads in particular were horrifying for me... Not because of anyone here, just because of the horrors of the RNC itself.... yet, I kept refreshing, kept reading, kept watching. And I didn't know why at the time, but I know now why I did - I've been desperately looking for any glimmer of hope, that "everything might just end up OK, maybe" moment... And holy SHIT has Clinton and the DNC delivered, and then some!

At risk of sounding like I'm in the midst of the rapture, I have seen just how blind to Clinton I have been. She's much, much better than I had ever realized. Do I have my complaints? Sure, but man they seem petty and shallow right now. I totally bought into the narratives, all the time telling myself - and truly believing - that I really hadn't. I feel a need to say that I was wrong about much, and I'm truly sorry, yet glad I can see it now.

I've been struggling with a pretty harsh depression lately... Just numb to the world. Those of you who have this in your past or present probably know what I mean when I say that I generally knew how I felt, but I just wasn't actively feeling it - that sort of detached place, with a ton of negativity in the subconscious weighing me down in an invisible fashion.

Right now - for this moment - I am totally overwhelmed in positive emotion. Any critic and part of me that would find fault in this has gone quiet, and I just can't stop smiling. All of this is so incredible... The inclusiveness, the breaking of the barriers.... all of it. This is so much good and positivity, something I've really needed to see. I never thought I would see anything quite like this from the Democratic National Convention - the same party that I felt had largely abandoned us in my home state of Kentucky. If you had told me that the DNC would be something that would lift me up from so low, I would not have believed you. I still have a hard time believing it.

Thank you all for providing such wonderful commentary, and being the one place I will turn to the comments for when it comes to politics.
posted by MysticMCJ at 10:16 PM on July 26, 2016 [106 favorites]


OK. I got to watching the speechifying and such.

Ranked in reverse order -

Bill - he has a style, it does not translate well to the modern day. Gets points for being both an actual President and the nominee's life-partner regardless.

Liz Warren - It was Mordecai and Rigby going "OHHHHH!" while spinning in a circle. Which means it was vicious and prescient. Wow!

Michelle Obama - Not even Fox News dares impugn her speech, and it was subtle when it needed to be subtle, and blunt when it needed to be blunt, and about as patriotic a political speech as has been uttered in my lifetime.

Bernie - A long, slow burn to the heel-face turn... it seemed that way, sure. His entire speech was just over a half hour. A half hour! A Brooklyn Jew living in Vermont at once brought over his immense voter-base and made promises Hillary has to keep, and savaged beyond repair the Republican opposition. The guy is 74 and is leaning on the podium, and he is animated and responsive, captivating and blunt and persuasive, and he is going to go to his grave making sure Hillary Rodham Clinton is our next president... and if by some miracle he survives, he will go back to the Senate as a Socialist, as he believes in Democracy and the benefits its brings.

Ted Cruz told people to vote their conscience. So did Bernie. Vote Clinton - I'm with HER!
posted by Slap*Happy at 10:17 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Imagine for a moment if Russian agents had physically infiltrated the DNC HQ to acquire the documents they leaked. It would almost be an act of war, let alone the top headline on every single newspaper in the country: KGB BURGLES DNC TO SWAY ELECTION TO TRUMP. We'd capture the intelligence officers and trade them in a high-profile diplomatic spy swap.

But in email form, eh, hacking is hacking right?

Conversely, if Clinton had kept possibly-classified documents in her home office for convenience (instead of in a special State Department filing cabinet), and it was discovered that those documents were not compromised, it would be a complete flop of a story.

We still haven't figured out how to treat electronic data in a way that's consistent with physical records.
posted by 0xFCAF at 10:18 PM on July 26, 2016 [42 favorites]


Are Amy Poehler and Kate McKinnon among them and if so are we getting a Hillary-Off at some point?

We're going to be President."
posted by NorthernLite at 10:21 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Imagine for a moment if Russian agents had physically infiltrated the DNC HQ to acquire the documents they leaked.

kronk pepikrankevitch tiptoeing into HQ humming his own theme music

putin blames it on kronk pepikronkchenko instead as an excuse to invade the crimea
posted by poffin boffin at 10:22 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Whoa. President Obama wouldn't be jumping into this unless he was pretty damn sure there was a 'there' there.

U.S. Consensus Grows That Russia Hacked the D.N.C.. Take with all the grains of salt imaginable, but there's some reason to believe this has legs.

That said, there's some insight in this set of tweets by Jack Goldsmith of the Lawfare blog: "The point is that USG plays rough in cyberspace, and should expect others to do so as well."
posted by zachlipton at 10:24 PM on July 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


We still haven't figured out how to treat electronic data in a way that's consistent with physical records.
Not to "re-litigate" previous topics here, but it's generally a reasonable practice not to have records of any kind of your stupid workplace banter that would be really embarrassing if it were ever made public.

Is "poor judgment about email" the Democrats' theme for this election or something??? The contents of the leak were painfully boring, and the only really shocking thing about them is that somebody had poor enough judgment to write them down...
posted by schmod at 10:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Maryland Senator Mikulski is 80 and will be retiring in 2018 after her current term ends...

She's retiring at the end of the 114th Congress, so Chris van Hollen (winner of the Democratic primary and thus the shoo-in candidate) will almost certainly be replacing her in January 2017.

PS, apparently a bunch of capitol hill staffers voted her "the meanest member of the Senate" in 2014, and I find that fucking hilarious
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 10:29 PM on July 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


U.S. Consensus Grows That Russia Hacked the D.N.C.. Take with all the grains of salt imaginable, but there's some reason to believe this has legs.

I started to believe it when Josh Marshall got uncharacteristically breathless over the weekend and then Jacob Weisberg did a fascinating interview with Anne Applebaum of the Washington Post on the Trumpcast podcast....

It still sounds kind of fantastic to me. But I dunno -- this year, right?

We'll know pretty soon either way, I think.
posted by tivalasvegas at 10:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Add one more lawsuit to the Trump tally, the USA Freedom Kids are planning to sue his campaign.
posted by peeedro at 10:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


We still haven't figured out how to treat electronic data in a way that's consistent with physical records.

We also haven't figured out how to talk about breaches and come up with an appropriate response.

Some of this goes back to the mid-2000s when the first stuff about 'cyberwarfare' started to come out of the Pentagon and NSA and DHS, replete with terrible PowerPoint and clipart and acronyms. It set up an abstraction that doesn't easily align with the realities of 2010s hacking. Throw in all those films about hackers as well. And "I've been hacked" as the response to someone doing something stupid on social media.

I've hinted before that lulz has become part of this election in a pretty disturbing way, and the hacking of public figures and public institutions is still associated with teenagers doing it for lulz. Maybe state actors outsource some of their hacking to teenagers doing it for lulz, or are the beneficiaries of lulz-hackers seeing how far they can go. But there's something destabilising and chilling about the idea that mundane interactions with political organisations (like sending an email to an elected official or buying a punworthy beer koozie) might end up with your identity data being traded on the darknet.
posted by holgate at 10:34 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


@mikemchargue:
My youngest daughter: "who's that?"
Me: "That's Bill Clinton."
Her: "Is he related to Hillary Clinton?"

:')
posted by ilicet at 10:37 PM on July 26, 2016 [124 favorites]


I started to believe it when Josh Marshall got uncharacteristically breathless over the weekend

That reminds me that I need to chip in and sub to TPM: there's been some clickbaity shit there over the past couple of years -- no, Rep. Steve King's latest bigot eruption is not news -- but Marshall's recent commentary and return to his investigative roots has been top-notch.
posted by holgate at 10:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Whoa. President Obama wouldn't be jumping into this unless he was pretty damn sure there was a 'there' there.

U.S. Consensus Grows That Russia Hacked the D.N.C.. Take with all the grains of salt imaginable, but there's some reason to believe this has legs


CUT TO: House of Cards writers' room, where an exhausted team groans and tosses out yet another batch of scripts
posted by EatTheWeek at 10:41 PM on July 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


(I mean, this says a lot, because sadly most of her designs are butt ugly but I would be all over them at the mo'.)

I take it somebody has not seen the Everyday Pantsuit tee.
posted by Anonymous at 10:44 PM on July 26, 2016


MysticMCJ: At risk of sounding like I'm in the midst of the rapture, I have seen just how blind to Clinton I have been. She's much, much better than I had ever realized. Do I have my complaints? Sure, but man they seem petty and shallow right now. I totally bought into the narratives, all the time telling myself - and truly believing - that I really hadn't. I feel a need to say that I was wrong about much, and I'm truly sorry, yet glad I can see it now.

To you and several other Bernie supporters who've posted similar comments in the last two threads, thank you so so much for saying this. I'm getting all teary again reading it. I have believed for a long time that for most people on the Left, the dislike for Hillary is not because of who she is, what she's done, or what her policies are, but because they have been fundamentally misled about her career. I have believed that if people on the Left just finally had a chance to see her career as it truly has been, certainly not everyone would immediately decide shes the progressive candidate of their dreams, but the hate rooted in the conviction that she's a crypto-plutocrat barely distinguishable from a Republican would fall away. Seeing you write that finally seeing a complete picture of her career has changed your minds makes me feel so much more hopeful for November.

You have absolutely nothing to be sorry for. There has been a concerted smear campaign for decades to paint the Clintons as dishonest, crooked, Machiavellian fat-cats. By and large the media has utterly failed to cut through the lies and distortions to showcase the true political accomplishments of Hillary Clinton, so there has been very little counterweight to this narrative. And in such a polarized political climate, it's all to easy to dismiss as mere partisanship someone saying that no, Clinton actually has a really strong progressive track record on many, many important issues. I only hope that you can remember what it was that helped you see beyond the false narrative of Hillary as the corrupt plutocrat, and use it to help your friends and family who still hold their entrenched misconceptions overcome them so they can make an informed vote in November.

I voted, and will vote again, for Clinton, and I hope my eyes are at least open to who she is and what she represents. She's not perfect. I fully expect to be unhappy with many of the decisions she will make as president, and some of them will quite probably enrage me. But at the end of the day I think the country is in good hands with her and her team running it, and I expect that four, hopefully eight, years from now, we'll be better off than we are today.
posted by biogeo at 10:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [66 favorites]


Americans concentrate on infosec in two areas - protecting core financial systems and being invisible to AA radar. Don't much care if political parties get their bullshit h4XX0rzed, as the dumb-asses who were being bad in email will resign and Bernie Sanders and Michelle Obama will elevate and solidify the party regardless.

It would be a hoot if Obama would invoke NATO to block all Russian internet traffic from entering or leaving Russia. Yes, the USA has that power. Putin is an annoyance, not a threat, so we won't. We will be teasing the DNC on their terrible opsec instead.

I've heard rumors that cybersecurity will be offered along with physical security to candidates and political parties in the future, much like Secret Service protection is offered now. NSA tasked with going Blue Team would be ossum, and in the wake of the OPM hack, HIGH FUCKIN' TIME.
posted by Slap*Happy at 10:47 PM on July 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


In 2012 it was a grainy handheld video of Mitt Romney that set the narrative for the rest of the campaign.

In 2016 will it be Russian hackers (and bankers)?

Anyway, holy smokes that was a fast pivot turning the DNC email liability into an asset.
posted by notyou at 10:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Would it surprise anybody to find out that Trump was mobbed up with the Russians recently? It has been well documented that he was mobbed up with the mafia during the 70s and 80s. He goes wherever the money is.

Nobody like Trump should be a nominee for President of the United States without disclosing both his tax returns and details on his investments and who he owes money to.
posted by JackFlash at 10:59 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Now Bill Clinton... that fella has some big-ass hands.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 11:03 PM on July 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


It wouldn't surprise anybody, just like nobody was surprised by Romney's comments. But the confirmation fixes the storylines.

One nice twist about the Trump/Russia stuff is that it forces Trump to rebut the charge ("I'm not a pig fucker"), but also, and even better, to rebut it convincingly, he has to release some financial details.

Clever girl.
posted by notyou at 11:07 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


> PS, apparently a bunch of capitol hill staffers voted her "the meanest member of the Senate" in 2014, and I find that fucking hilarious

As a fellow Baltimorian Polock, I do declare that I find that EXTRA fucking hilarious.
posted by desuetude at 11:19 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Whatever happened to that report that the DNC's Opposition Research on Trump had been hacked? If THAT info isn't getting revealed, it seems pretty strong evidence that the hackers are Friends of The Donald.
posted by oneswellfoop at 11:25 PM on July 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


If I recall, the leaked DNC opposition research on Trump was basically nothing more than a compilation of everything horrible he has ever said publicly, i.e., nothing more than than what's been running on late night talk shows and social media over the last year.
posted by skewed at 11:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Does anyone think there hasn't been some back-channel communications between Manafort and Russia? Manafort has a long history of advising dictators, and he knows ratfuckery and intimidation are state-of-the-art in Russia. The sudden reversal on NATO and policy about Russia in general, and the way it meshes with the DNC leaks, is very striking.

My hope: Our intelligence agencies are not dormant, and we caught some communication from Trump's camp to Russia. Indictments to follow.

A guy can dream, right?
posted by argybarg at 11:28 PM on July 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Without wanting to rain on people's fun too much, remember that around this point in the cycle 8 years ago we were arguing about whether one of Sarah Palin's kids was really her grandkid or the other way around.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 11:36 PM on July 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


We knew that was silliness. Trump's love for Putin and the Russian origin of the hacks are very real, and his debt to Russian oligarchs highly probable.
posted by argybarg at 11:38 PM on July 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


The horrifying thing is that, even if we found unambiguous smoking-gun evidence that Donald Trump phoned Vladimir Putin and asked him to hack the DNC, I'm not sure that it would hurt his poll numbers.
posted by schmod at 11:49 PM on July 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Well, I'm still planning on a large print run of "LOCK HIM UP"signs.
posted by oneswellfoop at 11:54 PM on July 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


A vote for Trump is 100% a vote for Russian tanks rolling into Europe though, so if anyone cares about that they'll probably want to vote against him.

You're right there's probably nobody left on the GOP side who gives a toss about that though.
posted by Artw at 11:56 PM on July 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


At least Trump has the "nostalgic for hearing about the Fulda Gap" vote locked up I guess.
posted by Justinian at 12:24 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I watched the glass ceiling video again, thanks to its being linked in the thread. Tears. Then she says the "if there are any little girls who stayed up..." Sobs.
posted by persona au gratin at 12:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


those in here who are displeased with Bill Clinton because of his personal history, and uneasy with the DNC letting him speak as a result, consider:

That went down 20 years ago, at a time when the national and cultural and societal views of women had a loooooooooong way to go still. It was only a few years after Anita Hill's testimony first made people aware of Sexual Harrassment as, like, A Thing That Happens (hell, I remember a PSA from the mid-90s that spelled out that "FYI, this actually is against the law and you don't have to put up with it). It was 20 years before Obama signed the Ledbetter act. It was 20 years before the backlash against Gamergate.

It's only 3am so I'm not articulating well, but my point is that back then, we all knew Bill's actions were bad, but back then it was "bad" in a vastly different context (the public sentiment was mostly sort of like "sympathy for a wronged wife" rather than "he is an exploitative jerk") and "bad" that happened before 20 years of our attitudes about, and towards, women changing dramatically. Which is both frustrating that we didn't think this way about women all along - and encouraging that we do now.

It's like - you know how every once in a while in here, someone wil look at an older thread and be shocked at what a boy zone it used to be? Back then, it wasn't as apparent it was a boy zone, though, and the only reason we are able to see that now is because in the intervening years we have had the emotional labor thread and the schroedingers' rapist thread and and a bunch of other threads where people were finally given a platform to educate and it also finally sunk in.

So what I'm getting g at is - yeah, Bill did some truly yucky stuff then. But the country a whole is only just now able to recognize that particular flavor OF yucky only because of a lot of other intervening stuff. And - the fact that we are now able to spot that kind of yucky is a really good thing, and the fact that we haven't heard of any more recent examples of yucky is also good, I think.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 12:45 AM on July 27, 2016 [34 favorites]


In 2016 will it be Russian hackers (and bankers)?

Knowing how Putin works, there will be a lot of high-profile dead bodies dropped before any serious revelations come out.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 12:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


MysticMCJ: Thank you for saying that. I could have written that paragraph myself, right down to the depression. Strength to our arms.

Thanks for the link to the pantsuit T above, too. Purchased.
posted by persona au gratin at 12:49 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I may be done with Rachel maddow and msnbc after this.

I've only watched pieces and I was already out. No more.
posted by bongo_x at 12:50 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Let me also say, over the years, MF helped me to be more sensitive to privilege and related issues. And so as soon as I saw the "well, I just don't like her" language from all sorts of people, it didn't smell right to me. I knew what underlay a whole bunch of that, especially if the person couldn't point to any particular policy or vote they didn't like.
posted by persona au gratin at 12:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [29 favorites]


Any predictions what music will accompany Clinton when she gives her speech? I'm hoping for this, but only if Clinton comes out doing that dance with her arms whirling in the air like she's fending off a swarm of wasps.
posted by um at 12:55 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Please god don't be Katy Perry, that's all I ask.
posted by Justinian at 12:56 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Good article on the Russian angle in the hacks. I heard the author on a radio show here yesterday.
posted by persona au gratin at 12:56 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


So my attitude toward this Reagan policy initiative* of a US election has drifted from "maybe Hillary?" to "Bernie is really a fantastic chap" to "it bloody well better not be Trump" to "it damn well better not be Trump." I'm watching all this at some remove as someone who hasn't been resident in the US for a very long time. While I don't really own this election, I'm self-interested enough to offer the following friendly reminder: In addition to the US itself, Trump as president will fuck over Australia along with largish bits of Europe. So can you guys try to avoid that, cheers. (I'm more optimistic now than I was a little while ago.)

I'm not watching video but just reading this thread has gotten to me a bit, specifically because of Sanders. I don't actually agree with him on many things (mainly economic), but I've liked him a lot as a person from the outset. I think he's a rare example of a politician who consistently displays a lot of integrity. I'm not sure I'd want him as president, but I think he's won. Seeing the values you've held and advocated for your entire adult life really catch on and change the popular narrative must be really something. And a lot of those values belong to the Cause of Right. I don't think that's lost on him. Good work sir. You and some others have shown the US isn't completely fucked.

* That's my euphemism for "clusterfuck"
posted by iffthen at 1:24 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I've heard rumors that cybersecurity will be offered along with physical security to candidates and political parties in the future, much like Secret Service protection is offered now. NSA tasked with going Blue Team would be ossum

For real though how was this not a thing before? Infosec has been a major priority for, at the very least, hundreds of years. Why is it only being taken seriously as it relates to elections now? We have been in a de facto two-party system for a very long time, offering information safeguards to those parties is absolutely in the public interest.
posted by clorox at 1:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Amusingly, my sister ended up cameoing on Colbert Monday, cruelly denying him his podium dreams.
posted by tavella at 1:58 AM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


MysticMCJ: Thank you for saying that. I could have written that paragraph myself, right down to the depression. Strength to our arms.

Seconded. I spent the day in my bed and pjs, in part because I haven't slept for more than 2 hours a night for the past 10 months. Most days are like this, and tonight was one the few times where I a) gave a shit about what was happening in the outside world and b) felt like I was actually alive (in my own minimal, pathetic way) instead of just respirating and shedding skin cells.

And I don't want to make it sound like I somehow stumbled into the Moonies or something. The speakers and pageantry created an empowering atmosphere, but being able to follow along with real-time reactions here did so much to validate the emotions I had sort of forgotten to have for a while. This site has several insightful, articulate, and even sometimes wise mefites who remind me that the world outside of my head might be worth checking out. And the simultaneous reflections of my excitement and joy help me see my emotions as valid instead of irrational from all that mental illness and shit.

And I'm not always talking about any specific insights but more about things like "I love Howard Dean! I hope he yells. Yep, it's happening! He's pissed off with all this trumpfuckery! I'm pissed off with the trumpfuckery! This thread if pissed off with" . . you get the point.

And suddenly I had some motivation to get up and perhaps interact with the outside world, where the stakes are now much more relevant, and I'm not so alone in my head. I hope that sound like inspiration and not mob psychology.

Or maybe I'll stay in my pjs for my foreseeable future and remember moments like tonight, when I heard many people, both in Philadelphia and here, who made me reconsider the whole "everything in my world is shit so why bother " stance that I seem to have adopted as of late. We might not need Metafilter to be a pin-hole camera after the RNC, but we do need its titular filtering of the noise from talking heads and their nakedly partisan, self-serving "analyses" who do nothing to inspire me to seek out non-afterpants.

That was long. I apologize. I'm very glad this thread existed tonight.

Hey, if I fall asleep in the next 5 minutes, I can get 2 1/2 hours of sleep tonight! I better get on that right away.
posted by bibliowench at 2:30 AM on July 27, 2016 [40 favorites]


Question from abroad: if/when it is shown that the Russians are working with Trump, and if/when it turns out that Trump is defrauding his own campaign, will he be indicted?
And then what?

And hey: thanks for amazing posts and threads throughout!
posted by mumimor at 2:56 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


There isn't enough time between now and the election for an investigation of that magnitude to be completed and an indictment to be issued. The investigation would have to have been running for quite some time already.
posted by Justinian at 3:41 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh, and even if some serious illegality were discovered after his election Trump would simply pardon himself. The House would have to impeach him. Normally I'd say they would refuse to impeach a Republican President even if there was video of him on a murder spree but in this case you'd have Mike Pence as VP, and they would likely prefer him to Trump. They'd consider it a win-win; appear fair and impartial by impeaching a sitting Republican President while also ending up with a better (from their pov) officeholder.

Conviction by the Senate would be no problem.

I expect none of this to happen.
posted by Justinian at 3:45 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Tulsi Gabbard/Cory Booker 2024? Right? Cool? We all cool with that?

Not me. Gabbard's family has very uncomfortable associations with Right Wing ultra-Hindu organizations.
posted by OmieWise at 4:12 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


If Trump turns out to be working for the Russians, then in the next few weeks the political establishment will simply destroy any chance he has of winning. Not by going after Trump himself, but by going after his family, friends, donors, and GOP leaders in key states with rumors and threats until they denounce him. Appearing to work with the Russians is literally the worst thing Trump could have done.
posted by miyabo at 4:21 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I watched Bill Clinton's speech, and was incredibly moved, and so was my husband. To see in my lifetime a husband give the First Lady speech, subordinating his achievements to his wife's, pointing out indirectly how she had never quit on him when she could have, and saying that raising their daughter was the most important work they had done? It was Bizarro World. Mirror Universe. Nothing I ever expected in my lifetime.

As someone who knows what it's like to be in a long term marriage (40 years last May), I have always respected Hillary Clinton for not walking when everyone else was criticizing her for not turning on him. I know what it's like. It's not all handholding and lovebirds circling your head, believe me (though there are times, like last night watching Bill Clinton speak, watching him start to tear up, that you get those moments).
posted by Peach at 4:29 AM on July 27, 2016 [61 favorites]


Any predictions what music will accompany Clinton when she gives her speech?

I will donate money to them right away if it's The Immigrant Song.

If it's Fight The Power I will rip off my shirt and fall to my knees and scream KHALEESI! and join her horde of blood-riders.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 4:32 AM on July 27, 2016 [40 favorites]


Miyabo, from your mouth to God's ears
posted by suburbanbeatnik at 4:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


On Monday, Michelle Obama gave me hope for and pride in the Democratic party. Last night, Bill Clinton's portrayal of Hillary made me want to do more in the world, to be a little bit more like her.
posted by filthy light thief at 4:43 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


I don't generally listen to political speeches, but Bill Clinton's speech was all kinds of awesome. I hope he carries that fire into the rest of Hillary's campaign.
posted by Autumn Leaf at 4:43 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can anyone comment on the Maddow-hate? All people saying they're done with her, no one explaining why . . .
posted by waitingtoderail at 4:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


So my family is very very New Englandy and we don't talk about politics for more than 90 seconds at a time because it is just so very gauche to argue about these things with family. But I'm really tempted to break that rule. Because my dad is casually repeating Hillary hate points from the last 25 years, and my little brother is repeating Reddit talking points, and they're usually great people and I don't know what to DO

so I went and posted something to Facebook, which I also never do. It looks like an angry rationalist rant about HRC and misogyny but it is also a carefully passive-aggressive subtweet aimed at my dad.

Speaking as someone who was 10 years old when she got into the Senate: the DNC has given me more actualfax information about her than I ever had before. The more I actually know about her, the more I like her. Also thanks Metafilter I'd never thought about the fact that Monica Lewinsky was 22 years old
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 4:55 AM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm holding out for "Run the World (Girls)".

This thread has been an utter delight to catch up on this morning.
posted by Stacey at 4:55 AM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


I can't believe I've never heard that Beyonce track before. We seriously need to put together a curated DNC playlist, inspired from this thread.

So far we have Fight the Power by the Isley Brothers-- The Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin-- and Run the World (Girls) by Beyonce-- any others!?
posted by suburbanbeatnik at 5:07 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I meant by Fight The Power by Public Enemy. I had no idea the Isley Brothers did a song with that name.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 5:16 AM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


I would like see Hasta la Raíz (means "To the Root") by Natalia Lafourcade.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:16 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I was all "Isley brothers, where's the Public Enemy at?"
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:18 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Or she should come out to "Today was a Good Day" with her name on the Goodyear blimp outside.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:19 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]




Would "The Immigrant Song" mean that much to actual immigrants? Or am I missing something?
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 5:25 AM on July 27, 2016


I mean, Vikings are cool and all... Thor's big right now, I guess "new lands" could be America?
posted by Artw at 5:34 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think that "Immigrant Song" is about, like, mythical Viking warrior creatures? And I'm not sure we want to run with invasion and conquest metaphors.

Anyway, I came here with the delightful news that Shade Court has returned temporarily to rule on interpretations of Michelle Obama's speech.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:36 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'm guessing it's going to be a Katy Perry song because she has been repping Clinton hard.
posted by PenDevil at 5:36 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bach Toccata and Fugue in D minor.
posted by Artw at 5:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think that "Immigrant Song" is about, like, mythical Viking warrior creatures? And I'm not sure we want to run with invasion and conquest metaphors.

It starts with that great riff and scream is all. Obvs it would never ever happen any more than they'd use Fight the Power or America-Fuck Yeah. Mostly I will just admit that the thread about trailers put the (US) Girl With The Dragon Tattoo trailer into my brain, because it is a great trailer.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 5:52 AM on July 27, 2016


Well the BoB relative I know in Colorado is publicly proclaiming she's voting for Stein.

I hope to hell Trump doesn't win and manage to roll back Obergefell because her marriage could be in serious trouble if they do.
posted by Talez at 5:54 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Re: "Fight The Power" the first thing that jumped into my head was Libera Me From Hell because I'm a huge god-damned nerd.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 5:56 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Virginia Guv Suggests Clinton Will Change Her Stance On TPP
"I worry that if we don’t do TPP, at some point China’s going to break the rules -- but Hillary understands this," McAuliffe told Politico. "Once the election’s over, and we sit down on trade, people understand a couple things we want to fix on it but going forward we got to build a global economy."

And when asked if he believes Clinton will reverse her opposition to the TPP if she is elected president, McAuliffe said, "Yes. Listen, she was in support of it. There were specific things in it she wants fixed."
posted by indubitable at 6:03 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Re: "Fight The Power" the first thing that jumped into my head was Libera Me From Hell because I'm a huge god-damned nerd.

Fill in the missing words in this song lyric: "Row row _____ _____ _____"
posted by J.K. Seazer at 6:21 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm holding out for "Run the World (Girls)".

I too keep waiting for Beyonce.

I've heard Janelle Monae is there, and boy oh boy would "Tightrope" be an appropriate selection to precede Hillary.
posted by palindromic at 6:25 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


I too keep waiting for Beyonce.

This would continue the theme of "everything racists could possibly freak out about".

I *think* they've done a could thing by steering so hard into that, though it does again make it clear that the election is going to be a poll on whether the American people are horrible or not, and though I hope the answer is "not" I've seen how badly that can go elsewhere.
posted by Artw at 6:32 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Just had my first interaction with a (white, granola) BoB who believes that electing Trump with bring on the revolution faster. I asked her to think of whom she is willing to sacrifice for her "revolution": gays, transgender, people of color, women, immigrants, Muslims. To yield them up to a sociopath who has promised to harm them for the sake of a little political tableau (or, let's face it, revenge against Hillary) — how could anyone live with doing that? Oy.
posted by argybarg at 6:35 AM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Trump 'will not be releasing' taxes
"Mr. Trump has said that his taxes are under audit and he will not be releasing them," Trump campaign chief Paul Manafort told "CBS This Morning."

"It has nothing to do with Russia, it has nothing to do with any country other than the United States and his normal tax auditing process," Manafort added.
Hey Paul, I'm not sure you understand how this works. But congratulations on giving the press more to chew on!
posted by zombieflanders at 6:35 AM on July 27, 2016 [32 favorites]


I woke up at 1:00 a.m. after a hard day in the yard and working in the garage. I tried last night to tune in to the DNC (in time for Albright's speech) but the signal died in the middle and I was just too tired to stay awake.
Thank you, Mefites, for keeping me informed about what I missed. Now, on to finding the highlights of the Tuesday DNC before today's coverage begins.
posted by TrishaU at 6:36 AM on July 27, 2016


So, is McAuliffe actively trying to sabotage Clinton right now or what?

Why would he possibly take time out of his schedule to tell everyone that he thought, as a long time friend and coworker of Clinton, that she was lying about opposing TPP?
posted by sotonohito at 6:44 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Sadly, presenting clear and true facts as a way to show why people are wrong to believe what they currently believe is not really how conspiracy theories work.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 6:45 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


DNC, Day 3, among others

Erica Smegielski, daughter of Dawn Hochsprung, the principal of Sandy Hook Elementary
Felicia Sanders & Polly Sheppard, survivors of the AME shooting
Jamie Dorff, widow of an Army pilot
Joe Biden
Barack Obama
Tim Kaine
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:45 AM on July 27, 2016


Though the Russians directly running Trump seems a leap, if you start thinking of it in terms of Trump thinking he's running the Russians it starts sounding much more likely.
posted by Artw at 6:45 AM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


It doesn't matter what music they choose; Fox will just overdub the Imperial March anyway.
posted by Captain l'escalier at 6:46 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


I don't know about the US, but the UK property market has been a hotbed of dodgy deals with Russian, Asian and ME dirty money flooding in - stories like this are commonplace.

You have to ask yourself - is Trump the sort of person to get into bed with a source of Russian capital without being too prissy about who and what's involved, and what are the chances of that deal proving problematical to him if - by some mischance - he was having some liquidity issues, or became aware that things might not be entirely above board?

Hope those rumours don't start.

(And also - "can't release tax details, being audited", surely that can't relate to all his tax affairs, only certain years? Nothing to stop the release of previous filings - or is the IRS going through all his back taxes? Is that common? So many questions. Yuge questions. The best!)
posted by Devonian at 6:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Plausible reasons for not showing the taxes:
* he's a massive business failure
* shady loopholes to a degree that would shock even Republicans
* extensive ties with Russia

Not plausible:
* "audits"
posted by Artw at 6:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [42 favorites]


I don't think a Trump/Russia thing will be enough to sway his base. They already know he loves Putin so they love Putin too. What I want is those tax returns. They will show tax dodging and/or that he's no where near a billionaire. These are what his current fans would respond to. When he was first asked if he was going to share his tax return, he loftily said "I bet lots of candidates haven't..." to which the interviewer cut him off and said "Last 50 years, everyone has" and Trump was so utterly surprised he just umm'd and ahh'd through the rest. If he knew from the beginning that he would have to do this, I bet he wouldn't have run. There's definitely something going on in there.
posted by like_neon at 6:50 AM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Joe Biden was on Morning Joe this morning and was excellent. He got angrier than I've ever seen him talking about how his father, a car salesman, was just as much of a job creator as some big wig investor is.
posted by sallybrown at 6:50 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


McAuliffe is a hack whose ego comes before anything else. Could be a number of reasons why he's pushing that TPP line, all of them related to something that would benefit him in some manner. That wasn't a mistake, that was intentional.
posted by sallybrown at 6:51 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


That went down 20 years ago, at a time when the national and cultural and societal views of women had a loooooooooong way to go still.

Across the Twitters and papers today, the 1995 story of how Wal-Mart pulled a "Someday, a Woman Will be President" t-shirt from the shelves because it "didn't represent family values."

1995.
posted by holgate at 6:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [42 favorites]


Mr. Trump has said that his taxes are under audit and he will not be releasing them

Clinton has released 38 years of tax returns going back to 1977. The IRS does not audit beyond the last three years unless fraud is involved so there is no excuse for not releasing previous years' tax returns -- and the pending audit is no excuse even for more recent returns unless Trump is implying that there is some really shady stuff in there.

If the press were doing its job, it would be pounding him daily on this. It's simply unacceptable to allow a person to run for President without releasing this information.
posted by JackFlash at 6:53 AM on July 27, 2016 [32 favorites]


Oh and for fuck's sake. Seriously, right after Mothers of the Movement at the DNC. I need to watch Michelle's speech again.
posted by like_neon at 6:54 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]



I don't think a Trump/Russia thing will be enough to sway his base.

It doesn't have to. His base is pretty small. What it could do is dissuade conservative-leaning Independents and (more importantly) make it much harder for him to raise money with the big, big donors and give Reince Priebus even more fits than he's currently having.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:55 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


It so happens that I remember 1995 pretty well, and while it was a different time, it wasn't, like, 1050 or something - most people knew that screwing your interns was wrong, just as most people knew that making fun of a teenager's appearance because they disliked her parents was wrong. The sexism against Monica and the hand-waving was exactly the same kind of sexism and hand-waving that people produce today when someone they want to support does something wrong.
posted by Frowner at 6:58 AM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


One thing is for certain: If Trump wins, campaigns don't matter. Because his is the worst campaign anyone could imagine.
posted by argybarg at 6:59 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I mean, I was literally there. There was quite a lot of feminist discourse in 1995; indeed, it was, like, right in the middle of the third wave. The idea that it was the gender dark ages and therefore no one understood that Bill Clinton took advantage of a young and vulnerable woman - least of all him - is pure retconning.
posted by Frowner at 7:00 AM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


Yeah, I've been furious at Bill Clinton since the 90s. At the time I did kind of feel like I was living in bizarro world because people--feminists!--were defending him left and right, but it was far from unanimous.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Can I just take a moment to bitch about how there are no t-shirts with a women's cut in the Hillary store? WTF. "Unisex" t-shirts never fit my curves because they are basically cut straight up and down the torse (i.e. for men).
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


The desire and likelihood of Trump losing donors and Republican establishment support because of tax return shenanigans is a given. I just want him to be completely eviscerated in terms of support, which includes the contempt of his current supporters. He needs to become a laughingstock, which is his greatest fear.
posted by like_neon at 7:03 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Though the Russians directly running Trump seems a leap, if you start thinking of it in terms of Trump thinking he's running the Russians it starts sounding much more likely.

Even that seems stretching things beyond any real plausibility. He's stated interest in the presidency for a while and is enough of an egotist that of course he deserves it. Assuming Russian state or state-linked actors were behind the hack, it's probably just that (a) he's friendly to them on his own, (b) he's unstrategic and easily manipulable, and (c) is otherwise a useful idiot.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:04 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


One thing is for certain: If Trump wins, campaigns don't matter. Because his is the worst campaign anyone could imagine.

This is actually not getting enough attention. Trump's campaign is showing that in the age of social media, Citizen's United actually doesn't matter in a Presidential election. Down ballot races, it's huge, but if you have a person who can simply command social and conventional media attention at any time, that person can run an essentially non-existent campaign and still win.

There has also been a lot of self-congratulation on the left regarding the professional and competent DNC. I agree that the DNC has been leaps and bounds better than the RNC. Of course, I also think Macs are better than PCs, but there's a reason why PCs are more popular. Not everybody shares our aesthetic tastes.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 7:05 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


For those of ya'll wanting to go to the 2020 convention, that will be 100 years since women got the right to vote, so I bet it's a good one. I hope to be joyfully reelecting a woman president to celebrate.
posted by emjaybee at 7:11 AM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


So is Trump the only candidate getting security briefings from both sides?

(and I wonder if the US briefings contain information on the Russian cyberattacks - or even himself? How would that possibly work?)
posted by Devonian at 7:13 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Right. I don't believe that Trump is working for Russia, just because I don't believe that he has ever consciously acted in the interests of anyone or anything but himself. It's just that he's in a position where they find him apt to hand, not only as a business partner but as a weak leader. Vae terrae, ubi puer rex est, sort of thing.
posted by Countess Elena at 7:13 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


most people knew that screwing your interns was wrong

For the record, although she was an intern at one time, at the time of the affair she had a salaried job at the White House and later moved to a job at the Pentagon.
posted by JackFlash at 7:14 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Would "The Immigrant Song" mean that much to actual immigrants? Or am I missing something?

Surely, the appropriate Led Zeppelin song for this moment in history is "Battle of Evermore", anyway.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:15 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


As far as Putin's concerned, Trump is just a useful idiot.
posted by chimaera at 7:16 AM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


The RNC is what happens when you start writing that report at 3 am -- and it's due at 10 am. Meanwhile, the honor students at the DNC have been busy since last summer.
posted by notyou at 7:17 AM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


The RNC is what happens when you start writing that report at 3 am -- and it's due at 10 am. Meanwhile, the honor students at the DNC have been busy since last summer.

My concern is that the teacher grading the essays is a hung-over recently divorced dad who resents the chipper honor students.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 7:19 AM on July 27, 2016 [46 favorites]


But of the two students, who ends up running Dad's dealership, and who ends up as an adjunct professor sharing an apartment with no dishwasher? I better not follow this metaphor.
posted by Countess Elena at 7:20 AM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


The one to fear is the one washing cars in Dad's dealership.
posted by kingless at 7:22 AM on July 27, 2016


Woooo, I feel hung over and I've had zero alcohol in the last two days. This convention is both giving me life and sucking it away from me. Thank you all so much for letting me share this moment with you.

(Maybe I will be helped by having Actual Real Alcohol for the final two days? I think an experiment needs to be made.)
posted by Salieri at 7:23 AM on July 27, 2016


Erie County Executive/NY Delegate/reliably enthusiastic guy Mark Poloncarz has been tweeting some interesting stuff - he was asked to help body block Monday night in case anyone stormed the stage.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 7:24 AM on July 27, 2016


This is copied (with permission) from a friend who wrote this on FB. He's a straight, cis, white man in Ohio, and the father of three little girls.

What's on my mind, Facebook? Regret. But there's not much I regret; not much in the way of actions I did or things I said.

But... I do wish courage to speak up against bullies had been within my weak-fingered grasp when I was in grade school. And high school. And yeah, there was verbal & emotional assault toward kids who didn't have the right economy (horse or alligator) embroidered on their chest, or if a kid seemed queer—we were so white Irish-Catholic sheltered, we didn't even know what that was, only knew to ridicule this speech pattern or that gesture. Or be silent as others ridiculed. I've seen kids get two-handed shoved, their tartan uniform or collar & navy blue pants soak up the asphalt impact, stained probably as much as their most-certainly-concussed heads.

On buses—the real learning environment—I saw kids kicked and punched by boozy aggressors who seemed to steal confidence from the air like oxygen was only theirs; even one kid had his lighthouse boxer shorts ripped from his body so forcefully he bled. In that memory, I'm a statue, trying not to make eye contact, trying to get to my stop without drawing ire. Or worse.

Hey towheaded kid, you'd have been fine if you stood up, spoke up. Maybe not fine in that moment, but you'd learn how to take your lumps and find meaning in them. And grow. And change. And it's taken literal decades, but maybe schools are actually coming around. Not with "zero tolerance", as sadly that's often "zero critical thinking", but with anti-bullying programs, instruction on peer pressure, tolerance, diversity, and "if you see something, say something". Maybe kids are coming around. Maybe parents and grandparents will learn from their kids.

And now. Decades later. I see a bully on a bus. A captain of misplaced confidence, a dangerous demagogue and straw man ego at the back. And like kids from my school days, he's snuck booze, smokes, and magazines onto the bus, and he's peering up the aisle, making sure the driver isn’t looking and his yeah-yeah-do-it-do-it buddies are on board, trying to woo those so susceptible to wooing. It's not that they have the self-esteem and awareness market cornered. Quite the opposite. They are so lacking in clear direction, clear speakable policy of what's good and decent and tolerant and accepting, that they lash out—on the route, on all media, gathering those that want a taste of pseudo-power—to strike at those who have trouble defending themselves. Because this is the way things have worked in the past doesn't mean the way things worked in the past were great. And we certainly shouldn't try to return to that.

Bully and buddies, you've shown me in direct speech and action that you are, in fact, racist and xenophobic enough to let a phrase (or many) of how you really think slip out (or be planted). That encourages others to do the same. And think it's ok. You've shown that women in your world are trophies or animals or art: behinds to be patted, heads to be petted, insults to be absorbed, and places to be held on a wall far below your ornate glass ceiling—because when they were in their place, America was great…dear god, three daughters, please don’t ever get into his version of your place.

Bully and buddies, that you can go global with your mocking of special needs, of the LGBTQ community, of kids without the right embroidery on their chests, Gods on their altars, or bruised skin near your fist…that's greatness?

No. That's vapid. That's hate-filled fearmongering, and as a famous sociologist suggests, if you can make someone afraid, you can gain power over him and then get his money. That tact, that approach, that campaign... It's what we hope our kids, desperately trying not to make eye contact at the front of the bus, stand up and speak out about.

posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:27 AM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


If Trump turns out to be working for the Russians, then in the next few weeks the political establishment will simply destroy any chance he has of winning. Not by going after Trump himself, but by going after his family, friends, donors, and GOP leaders in key states with rumors and threats until they denounce him.

Again, though, that raises the question of what power the political establishment still possesses (Brexit!) given that Trump made it through the primary.

I assume that a lot of people have a lot of powder that they're keeping very dry for now. Trump is big on non-disclosure settlements, but in best Trumpian fashion, is he going to sue everyone who decides that the fate of the nation is more important than spilling the beans? It's an open secret that none of the big US-based banks will touch him with a shitty stick, and only one wing of Deutsche Bank provides him with credit. (Perhaps on the basis that if you owe the bank a billion dollars, you own the bank.)

Are there debts that can be called in on Trump businesses to bring down the whole house of cards? The problem there is that it feeds into the narrative that Clinton is in the pocket of Wall Street, that those with power and money are working on her behalf. It's a tough one: the fact that Trump is a bullshit billionaire as opposed to a real one gives him a queasy credibility among his base.
posted by holgate at 7:28 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ok, listen
posted by judson at 7:29 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I love you, Samantha Bee: An Open Letter By A #NeverHillary Supporter Who Is Definitely Not Vladimir Putin
Hello. It is I, normal American voter of age group Millennium. Name Doug or something.
posted by Anonymous at 7:31 AM on July 27, 2016


WHAT DID RACHEL MADDOW DO?
posted by cooker girl at 7:32 AM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Reading through the comments, I'm glad you all feel better. Metafilter was getting all grumpy and anxious and wound-up for a while there.

I'm still not clear on whether Dean did the Dean Scream or not, though.
posted by clawsoon at 7:33 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I played Junior Mefi Moderator on my Facebook this morning. Last night my conservative stepbrother replied to me on FB that he expected I would not be welcoming of comments critical to Hillary. I said he was welcome to say whatever, as long as it stayed within the realm of fact-based discussion, no lies, myths, distortions or namecalling, and that the same applied to any of my fellow Democrat friends who replied. A generally calm discussion of disagreements ensued, and it went well, though at one point I warned them all they were starting to edge toward the limit. But it was fine. This morning I woke up to find an old high school friend chimed in overnight that Hillary killed Vince Foster. Ugh. So I summoned my best cortex impersonation, deleted his comments and wrote "Couple comments deleted. I said I wouldn't tolerate BS here, guys."
posted by dnash at 7:34 AM on July 27, 2016 [52 favorites]




WHAT DID RACHEL MADDOW DO?

I didn't see but per earlier comments she was pretty negative about Bill Clinton's speech.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:34 AM on July 27, 2016


It is not important who hacked these emails or why. My friends Doug and Doug and my girlfriend Beyonce and I all agree on this. “What if it was the Russian government? Wouldn’t that be a frightening indication that Vladimir Putin is attempting to destabilize an American election and tip the balance in favor of Donald Trump, whose anti-NATO stance would potentially make it easier for Russia to invade countries in the old Soviet bloc?” absolutely none of us said.

We were too busy playing Pokemon: Go!
Perfect.
posted by rorgy at 7:35 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I love you, Samantha Bee: An Open Letter By A #NeverHillary Supporter Who Is Definitely Not Vladimir Putin

I started copying some quotes out of that but then had to stop because the whole thing is delicious.

Oh okay, here's one.

It is not important who hacked these emails or why. My friends Doug and Doug and my girlfriend Beyonce and I all agree on this.
posted by like_neon at 7:36 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm still not clear on whether Dean did the Dean Scream or not, though.

He repeated the "we're going to South Carolina and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota" in a shouty, excited voice but stopped juuuuuuuuuuuust short of ending with YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH, and we were all sad.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 7:36 AM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


I didn't see but per earlier comments she was pretty negative about Bill Clinton's speech.

Oh.

That... seems reasonable? I mean, it's certainly not on the level of other legitimate reasons to be done with MSNBC, like for instance their treatment of Melissa Harris-Perry (which Maddow was pretty silent about).
posted by tobascodagama at 7:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


You guys, I am getting SO HYPE to go to the rally here on Saturday. Living in an important swing state suddenly has benefits beyond "fingernail-gnawing anxiety"! She's accepting the nomination tomorrow and then 48 hours later coming to my house. (Well, not literally my house, but you know what I mean.)

I really hope it's at a time and place where I can reasonably take my son. And that they have yard signs I can buy. All the yard signs.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:39 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


CNN has a comparison of state roll calls from the RNC and DNC and it's pretty wonderful.

Louisiana:
RNC: "Sportsman's paradise."
DNC: "We will not be defined by any natural disaster nor will we be defined by any act of senseless violence."

Minnesota:
RNC: "Home of SPAM" that "has had the longest drought of casting our electoral votes for a Republican president."
DNC: "The state of Prince's 'Purple Rain' and the birthplace of Tim Kaine."

Wyoming:
RNC: "A super red state."
DNC: "The equality state and the home of many firsts: The first national park, the first national monument, the first state to guarantee women the right to vote and the first state to elect a woman governor."
posted by everybody had matching towels at 7:40 AM on July 27, 2016 [57 favorites]


Why MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Found Start of Bill Clinton’s DNC Speech ‘Shocking and Weird’

I missed Maddow's rundown on this but watching it now she and I were on the same wavelength about Bill.
posted by dis_integration at 7:40 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


I didn't see but per earlier comments she was pretty negative about Bill Clinton's speech.

Oh.

That... seems reasonable? I mean, it's certainly not on the level of other legitimate reasons to be done with MSNBC, like for instance their treatment of Melissa Harris-Perry (which Maddow was pretty silent about).


It's reasonable but I felt like she tried to be all even handed with the RNC last week and is generally kind of distastefully comparing this year to 1968 on her show.
posted by zutalors! at 7:41 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


In defense of Bernie’s boo-birds (sort of): Democratic dissent is not the party’s real problem; A party long adrift from ideology and history shows signs of life – and the establishment clutches its pearls
All the outrage and pearl-clutching and condescension being directed on Monday night and Tuesday morning at a small group of disappointed Sanders fans — many of them younger folks who are brand new to party politics, and whom the Democratic Party desperately needs — is grotesquely exaggerated. This is what democracy looks like, people! Deal with it. If the Democratic brand, to use obnoxious contemporary parlance, is so fragile that Hillary Clinton’s prospects of victory over the most cartoonish and least qualified candidate in history can be damaged by a little booing, then the entire party is in deep trouble.
...
So this abrupt turn toward shaming internal dissenters, and this insistence that a false front of ideological unity is the only path to victory, is a sign of intense weakness and unease. As with the hilariously sudden banishment of party chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz — whose name and signature appears on the credentials worn by every convention attendee, but who is nowhere to be seen — the quasi-Soviet conformity belies much of the Democratic happy talk of Day One in Philadelphia. Michelle Obama, for instance, delivered a beautiful speech loaded with soaring sentiment and heartfelt principle, one which seemed to describe some other universe where if not for Republican bile and bigotry things would be wonderful. It takes a Potemkin village.
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 7:43 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


The best one though

Nevada:
RNC: "The most entertaining capital city, Las Vegas, Nevada." (Las Vegas is not the capital city of Nevada, btw.)
DNC: "With a population as diverse as its landscape ... with a spirit as wild and free as our mustangs." (They also corrected the Nevada Republican delegation, saying that the capital is "actually Carson City.")

#shade
posted by like_neon at 7:43 AM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


I even heard one story of him meeting some guy at a restaurant or somewhere similar and then running into him years later and remembering his name.

Garrulity aside, Bill Clinton is the ideal Starbucks barista.
posted by y2karl at 7:46 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


"The most entertaining capital city, Las Vegas, Nevada." (Las Vegas is not the capital city of Nevada, btw.)

Carson City is also not the most entertaining city in any list besides "cities of Ormsby County".

Old-school Nevada joke, yo.
posted by Etrigan at 7:46 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is what democracy looks like, people! Deal with it.

it looked like booing over minority speakers to me.
posted by zutalors! at 7:47 AM on July 27, 2016 [21 favorites]


In movies of the 1940s and 50s, you saw the rise of that classic film archetype the "femme fatale". Conniving and sinister, the femme fatale was a mysterious lady who couldn't be trusted and whose double-dealing worked against our male hero at every twist of the plot. Since popular culture is nothing if not a distillation of what's going on in the heads of the public, trends in pop culture tend to mirror our own anxieties and sometimes amplify them. The femme fatale was a conscious response to women entering the previously male-dominated workforce during and after World War II. With the changing of their role and identity, people (read: men) created a tool through which to manifest this new and scary anxiety about where everyone now stood. Women were different, things changed, this is scary, must be something inherent in their motivations.
And so it is again in 2016. But this time instead of a dark Austrian with a tiny pistol in her garter always one step ahead of your best laid plans, it's a manufactured apparition of a kinda bland civil servant turned conniving estrogen-fueled supervillainess! She fixes elections! She bombs children! She has opponents bumped off! She is on the take from everyone you hate! Hell, give her one of those long-stemmed cigarette holders and put her in a swivel-chair in an angularity-lit chiaroscuro office holding a Ruger and just get it over with.
Problem is literally none of these things are true. Sure, politicians lie and people lie about politicians. And often the lies have little trouble sticking. But what is interesting here is the *kind* of lies we're seeing and the tone attached to them. This isn't the usual political mud-slinging. This is classic femme fatale stuff: you can't trust her no matter what she says or does. Did we respond that way to W? I was there and I *hated* W and I can tell you we did not. The tenor of the criticism was far and away a different brand. He was seen as bad, maybe even evil in a mundane way. But he was *never* seen as the mist inside which all bad things live.
So to recap, not that this should shock anyone: misogyny is very much alive and well, prodded into blind swinging rage by the Clinton nomination. In that way it's very similar to what happened with Obama when he was nominated. But this time it's coming from both the right wing nutters *and* the left. I've seen enough code words for "bitch" in the last 12 hours to last the rest of my life and a lot of it is coming from guys that would certainly call their politics leftist or progressive.
Now, lazy-thinking people are going to say (just like they did with Obama) that I'm saying that if you disagree with or dislike Clinton that you must be a sexist. Absolutely not. This is absolutely untrue. But here's the thing: the *way* that we respond to our enemies often says a lot about us as well. And from what I have been seeing on all sides this month, there's a whole lot of responding to a femme fatale who I'm pretty certain doesn't actually exist in real life.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [29 favorites]


That... seems reasonable?

I don't get the "I'm done" reaction to that either, no. She makes some valid points. But that whole “building her whole political story around her marriage to him” thing seems like an exercise in missing the point. He was giving the spouse speech, in which he is supposed to be telling us who she is from the perspective of decades of friendship and marriage. Framing his view of her in the context of their marriage is sort of how that speech is supposed to go.

Plus in that speech, he deliberately portrayed himself as the quieter, shyer one in the relationship, while she was the fierce force for change and getting shit done. He spoke of buying them a home and raising a child with her while she was joining the oldest law firm west of the Mississippi and fighting for children's rights and so on.

What I saw last night was a pretty typical wife's convention speech, except coming out of the mouth of a man and former President of the United States of America, and to me that's one for the history books.
posted by middleclasstool at 7:49 AM on July 27, 2016 [65 favorites]


It's an open secret that none of the big US-based banks will touch him with a shitty stick, and only one wing of Deutsche Bank provides him with credit.

The mystery is why any big bank would loan to Trump given his bankruptcy history. It could be that Russian mobsters have co-signed the loan, putting up their money as collateral. This would be a way of laundering their money into legitimate business in the U.S. while on paper it looks like the money is coming directly from Deutsche.
posted by JackFlash at 7:50 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I don't think a Trump/Russia thing will be enough to sway his base.

I don't think anyone's under the impression the Trump base can be swayed. It's a question of revealing the True Trump to the independents and undecideds.
posted by aught at 7:51 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow, Kremlin spokesmen are on a different poetic level than ours:

"Moscow is at pains to avoid any words that could be interpreted as direct or indirect interference in the election process," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said. "We see that the Russian card is in the red corner on the writing table of all Washington politicians during the election campaign, and that very often they make it a trump card in their game.”

“This reminds me of a company where they tell each other horror stories and then start being frightened of their own stories,” he continued.

posted by argybarg at 7:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Pearl-clutching was such a wonderful phrase (and not at all condescending coming from a dude) that he had to use it twice!
posted by zombieflanders at 7:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Looking forward to the upcoming Clinton/Pence debates.
posted by ZeusHumms at 7:53 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


that whole “building her whole political story around her marriage to him” thing seems like an exercise in missing the point.

Yeah, that was part of my issue with Maddow's take. He barely mentioned being President. I definitely thought parts were squicky, but I'm also a generation younger than what I saw as his target audience for that speech.
posted by zutalors! at 7:53 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I really loved Bill Clinton's speech, and admired the rhetorical maneuver of starting his speech like it was a total "let me tell you about the beautiful gal I met in college" yarn that, past the opening blow-by-blow detailing her hair and eyes and dress and exactly where she stood in the library, became immediately about how brilliant and hard-working she is, and made her mind and her passion more electrifying than any kind of sordid dirty-old-man detail possibly could have been. It was obvious, even listening to it for the first time, that he was spiraling in on something significant, and that he was about to turn his "that time I met the girl of my dreams" narrative on its head.

But I can't blame people who felt that was a wrongheaded thing to do in front of an audience of millions. I don't agree that it was, necessarily, but I absolutely see why they'd be squicked by it, and I also don't think that my opinion on it is important. I also think the fact that it was Bill, who as president cheated on his wife, amplifies that discomfort, and it makes sense to me that people would really dislike that he of all men would talk like that about Hillary.

I did come out of that speech thinking it made a whole lot of sense that the two of them love each other, though. Bill's charismatic, but a part of charisma is being able to express what you see and feel. It could not have been more obvious how thoroughly impressed he is by Hillary, and how much he looks up to her, and how clearly he, one of the brightest and most accomplished men on the planet, is wowed by what she's accomplished over the years. Does that make it appropriate for a public speech delived by Bill friggin' Clinton? I dunno. But still, wow, what a lovely thing for one person to say about another, "vote for her" rhetoric aside.
posted by rorgy at 7:54 AM on July 27, 2016 [26 favorites]


The start of Bill's speech felt weird to me because it reminded me a little bit too much of those first newspaper articles about Hillary which led with her hair color. (thanks to previous thread)
posted by Wulfhere at 7:56 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


that whole “building her whole political story around her marriage to him” thing seems like an exercise in missing the point.

Yeah. I am, to put it mildly, a non-fan of Bill Clinton. I think he's skeevey and gross, though he does give a great speech. I also though the first 5 minutes were treading the line of squicky because I hate that trope of "guy wears down woman until she relents, isn't it romantic!" But the rest really was the "first lady speech" in a way that I guess is super jarring to people hearing it come from the husband? He knows her personally through the fact that they have been married so yeah he's going to talk about all the things she's done while he's known her as her husband. I'm not sure what other option there is for this sort of speech.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:57 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


it looked like booing over minority speakers to me.

And that's American democracy in a nutshell.
posted by Talez at 7:57 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Interestingly, having seen the documentary Weiner recently, I saw a lot of parallels between Huma Abedin and Anthony Weiner and the Clintons. Makes sense that Huma and Hillary are so close.
posted by zutalors! at 7:58 AM on July 27, 2016


GOP came to Cleveland for its Public Transit -- While Here They Made Transit Cuts Part of Platform
One of the reasons Cleveland beat out a half dozen other cities to host the [2016] Republican National Convention was its strong public transportation system. But when GOP party officials met in Cleveland a little over a week ago they passed a platform that calls for an end to federal funding for public transit and bicycle lanes.
[. . . ]
RTA [had] already planned to cut service and raise fares next month to meet budget shortfalls but a change in state sales taxes means RTA could see its budget cut by $18 million dollars a year. The state of Ohio [John Kasich (R), governor] offers only a fraction of what most states do for public transit.
-- Mark Urycki , WCPN
Why transit was key in bringing the RNC to Cleveland
When selecting a site for the convention, Republican officials wanted somewhere with sufficient transit to avoid a repeat of the Tampa fiasco (2012) [where] hordes of delegates and media descending on the city resulted in mammoth traffic jams and mass confusion. . . . That led Republican officials to weigh transportation heavily when choosing a site for 2016. And Cleveland outperformed five other finalists . . .
-- Faiz Siddiqui, Washington Post
GOP Platform Rails on Public Transit
[T]he GOP’s 2016 platform is openly hostile to just about everything but gas-loving cars. . . . Complaining that the current administration “subordinates civil engineering to social engineering,” Republicans want to end all federal funding for mass transit, which they call “an inherently local affair that serves only a small portion of the population, concentrated in six big cities.” [rural transit ridership is growing.]

The platform calls for the federal government to get the heck out of “bike-share programs, sidewalks, recreational trails, landscaping, and historical renovations,” arguing that money for these community game-changers should come from “other sources.”
-- Aarian Marshall, Wired
posted by Herodios at 7:59 AM on July 27, 2016 [29 favorites]



it looked like booing over minority speakers to me.

And that's American democracy in a nutshell.


oh, well should we "Deal With It" then?
posted by zutalors! at 7:59 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]




So a hardcore handful of Sanders supporters — not even close to a majority of his delegates, in my judgment — booed several times at the mention of a candidate they don’t like and don’t trust, and whom they have spent months viewing as an implacable enemy. Seriously: BFD.
I think this is true, but it swings both ways: NV Sanders delegates have spent the week collecting tiny grievances which amount to not getting the respect to which they think they are entitled. All of this is a minor subplot which is important mostly to people to whom wounded pride is the most important struggle on display—a category it must be emphasized that doesn't include Bernie Sanders.
posted by octobersurprise at 8:00 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]




Inre Trump from way above: It's an open secret that none of the big US-based banks will touch him with a shitty stick, and only one wing of Deutsche Bank provides him with credit.

Walked down to the Broadway Market QFC yesterday afternoon and the La Rouchies had a table under a sunbrella on the sidewalk out in front of the door. It was festooned with posters all about saving Deutsche Bank. Coincidence ? I think not.
posted by y2karl at 8:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


We still haven't figured out how to treat electronic data in a way that's consistent with physical records.

The RIAA et al. have been struggling with that for decades now.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


but back then it was "bad" in a vastly different context (the public sentiment was mostly sort of like "sympathy for a wronged wife" rather than "he is an exploitative jerk")

No, this is not true and I hope people too young to remember will be appropriately skeptical. I am in my mid-30s so the Thomas confirmation hearings and the impeachment are my formative political memories. and my worst memory of the media coverage is all of the many, many, conservative-and-otherwise op-eds and thinkpieces about how the whole Clinton thing called feminism into question, because if a liberal man treated women - meaning both his wife and his targets -- this badly, didn't that mean that the whole premise of feminism improving men's behavior was called into question? If Hillary was willing to stay with him and forgive him, didn't that mean all her feminism was a lie? How could she possibly consider her own self and future and happiness and her own child when there was this exploited other woman she ought to be sympathizing with?

It was endless and it was ALL based on a glib and dishonest understanding that framing the Clintons as traitors to feminism was the way to make Democratic women feel worst. Both Clintons, not just Bill, that was crucial - they tried to construct Hillary in such a way that she had to be either a pathetic, deluded, hypocritical victim of false consciousness or a scheming emotionless robot, and either way complicit in her husband's activities which were understood to be wrong because exploitative in addition to all the sex and cheating jokes. "Let's pretend feminism is important" was the crude underpinning of all the rhetorical traps the right wing tried to spring.

I remember this, I was there. and as awful as this stuff was, as awful as the times were, the 1990s were a better time for feminism in a number of ways than the ten years that followed. Teens and twenty-somethings can think what they like, but don't ever think we didn't know better. We knew exactly what was wrong but knowing isn't always enough.
posted by queenofbithynia at 8:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [46 favorites]


Assuming Russian state or state-linked actors were behind the hack, it's probably just that (a) he's friendly to them on his own, (b) he's unstrategic and easily manipulable, and (c) is otherwise a useful idiot.

Agreed. Any attempt to start linking Trumpn to the hacking starts looking way tOo much like the kind of conspiracy theories that the other side is peddling. Occam's Razor suggests that the Russians have enough of their own reasons without involving anyone in the US.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 8:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


If I shout you down, it's free speech. If you shout me down, it's silencing.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Frowner, I remember the nineties too, as an adolescent girl feverishly paying attention to any and all cues about what the world would be like for me.

The feminists you're talking about were widely derided, dismissed, regarded as unserious and shrill reactionaries. None of the language we use to describe these things was widely known, if it existed. The Internet was not a source of discourse; we had people yelling on tv with no corrective feedback. To pretend that feminist ideas and understanding were in ANY way mainstream is retconning. Lucky for you if they were in your community, but the rest of the country was very different .
posted by schadenfrau at 8:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


GOP came to Cleveland for its Public Transit -- While Here They Made Transit Cuts Part of Platform

Some strong Libertarian principles there.
posted by Artw at 8:03 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Republicans want to end all federal funding for mass transit, which they call “an inherently local affair that serves only a small portion of the population, concentrated in six big cities.”

I have taken questionably-legal Chinatown buses all over the east coast. I'd do it even more often if there were more of them that went to more places. There is so much fucking demand for this!
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:03 AM on July 27, 2016




Trump on DNC hack: "...nobody even knows, it’s probably China—or it could be somebody sitting in his bed."

Er.... what?
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:05 AM on July 27, 2016




Yo whatever happened with the fifty-one foot joint. Is weed legal yet?
posted by save alive nothing that breatheth at 8:06 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey, enemies! I hope you're committing lots of espionage against our country! The best espionage!
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:08 AM on July 27, 2016 [38 favorites]


The press isn't bothering to push him on his taxes. They're useless.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:09 AM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


I guess what I took away from Bill's speech is, yeah, he's a creeper (I feel like he belongs to that category that would have been called a "wolf" or a "masher" in the Mad Men era, maybe a "cad" in the era before that) but he really does love his wife. The two things can be true at the same time. It's very possible to hurt someone you love, especially if you lie to yourself and tell yourself it won't really hurt them.

I dunno about making excuses for Bill. On the one hand, FDR cheated on Eleanor while in office too (though he managed to keep it secret at the time), and Kennedy had a reputation... but it doesn't seem to have destroyed their legacies in the way it seems to be destroying Bill's. So in one sense, Bill is being held to a different standard. But I guess, you know, it's not 1930 or 1960 anymore. So probably we should be holding our politicians to a higher standard.

Two things I do know, though. Bill is NOT running. And Hillary is not responsible for him cheating on her.
posted by OnceUponATime at 8:09 AM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


Meet the Juggalos who want to put Bernie Sanders in the White House

Everyone needs a hobby.
posted by octobersurprise at 8:10 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I've never met Putin" - said in debate they hung out in green room for extended conversation.

This is just crazy. Trump made a big deal of his foreign policy chops in the debate bragging about the time he spent talking with Putin. And here he flat denies it ever happened. This is just pathological lying. And the press doesn't even blink.
posted by JackFlash at 8:10 AM on July 27, 2016 [35 favorites]


“an inherently local affair that serves only a small portion of the population, concentrated in six big cities.”

What? Like 60 million people and all the FIRE and tech capital that remains our nations chief profit centers? That local affair?
posted by dis_integration at 8:11 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I've never met Putin"

"How do I know this Putin guy even exists? Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. I dunno. But if he does, I sure hope he helps me win!"
posted by octobersurprise at 8:14 AM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


To pretend that feminist ideas and understanding were in ANY way mainstream is retconning. Lucky for you if they were in your community, but the rest of the country was very different.

This wasn't directed to me but to answer it anyway: in the 90s I was getting political opinions at home from my Republican mother, the Wall Street Journal editorial page until she broke down and got a TV just in time for us to watch Bill's horrible apology speech, and Rush Limbaugh every time I was trapped in the car with her between the hours of noon and 3 p.m. There was a copy of "The Real Anita Hill" on the bookshelf. Books by Bill Kristol and George Will. My high school library kept back issues of National Review lying around, and I read them. My first encounter with feminism -- actually, my first encounter with feminism was probably reading my mom's copy of The Color Purple and my second was probably Simone de Beauvoir, but my third encounter with feminism was as it existed as a constant adversary in all these conservative minds, to be dwelt on, argued against, resisted. This is why I say we all knew. Because even they knew, and they were the worst of the worst.

My community was not a tender cradle of liberal sensibilities, is my point. That wasn't necessary for awareness.
posted by queenofbithynia at 8:14 AM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Wrap up:
We started with a beautiful roll-call in which a 102 year old Arizonan named Jerry Emmett put in the votes for her state and a woman with the whole dustbowl in her voice put in the votes for Oklahoma. We shouted out to Native Americans and Wyoming repped Black Lives Matter and almost everyone recognized the contributions of one Senator Sanders while calling out Hillary Rodham Clinton's nom as groundbreaking.

Next up was Thaddeus Desmond, Dynah Haubert, Kate Burdick, Anton Moore, Dustin Parsons, and Jelani Freeman, a group of teachers, social workers, disability and child advocates sharing what Hillary has done either directly or indirectly for children and disabled people they work with. It was awesome.

Then Donna Brazile sidled up to the platform and laid it DOWN. She has seen some things, y'all. And she is all in.
Next came the young gentlemen of Eagle Academy reciting Invictus. Hillary has been a long-time supporter of Eagle Academy.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Damn.

Attorney General Holder was next with a fine but AG speech. Love him.
He was followed by the Mothers of the Movement. It was humbling. Geneva Reed-Veal, mother of Sandra Bland spoke triumphantly. Lucia McBath, Mother of Jordan Davis is still parenting the legacy of her son. Sabrina Fulton, mother of Trayvon Martin is an unwilling participant in this movement, but will do whatever it takes so that other mothers do not have to join. I weep with them and they humble me.

Andra Day followed. Boom.
Cecile Richards was next. She called in all out for Reproductive rights and she didn't mince one word. Her Great-grandmother, grandmother and mother would be so fucking proud.

Lena Dunham told the crowd that Trump would rate her body a "2". America Ferrera told the crowd Trump thought she was "probably a rapist".
Barbara Boxer came out to Eye of the Tiger.
Lauren Manning shared her story of being burned over 80 percent of her body and Hillary being there every step of the way as Senator from NY and beyond.
Ryan Moore also gave personal tributes to Hillary and her caring concern.
Howard Dean made half of MeFi swoon.
Amy Klobuchar talked about human trafficking followed by Ima Matul, who was trafficked to Los Angeles and escaped her captors.
Madeline Albright BROUGHT IT. Her pin was fierce and she basically told the crowd that Hillary knows what she's doing people.
Bill did his thing. "She's the greatest darn change maker I've ever met."
Meryl screamed.
Alicia Keys rocked the house
Then Hillary broke some damn glass, told the little girls who stayed up late that they were next and we all cheered.

BAM!
(I might have missed some stuff, but those were my highlights)
posted by Sophie1 at 8:15 AM on July 27, 2016 [36 favorites]


The feminists you're talking about were widely derided, dismissed, regarded as unserious and shrill reactionaries. None of the language we use to describe these things was widely known, if it existed. The Internet was not a source of discourse; we had people yelling on tv with no corrective feedback. To pretend that feminist ideas and understanding were in ANY way mainstream is retconning. Lucky for you if they were in your community, but the rest of the country was very different .

In the early nineties I lived in a very conservative suburb of Chicago where I had been known to my peers as a communist since literally fifth grade, when I raised a minor critical question during a gifted program presentation about the evils of Russia. I had no internet. I had never heard of the Guardian, the Nation, Z Magazine, the Utne Reader or anything else. It was difficult for me to get Spin, for pete's sake.

In the Chicago Tribune, feminism and multiculturalism were hotly debated, as were well-known and controversial books on those subjects, in particular Susan Faludi's Backlash which I bought in a mainstream bookstore the year it came out. Along with Alice Walker's Possessing The Secret of Joy, if memory serves. Many, many books and albums were popularly discussed in this context. I got all my early politics from, basically, the Chicago Tribune and a lot of imagination.

Now, this may not have been true nationwide, but it was definitely true in Illinois. There was popular discussion of feminism, there was popular access to big name feminist books and there was quite a lot of discussion about racism. It was definitely acceptable to be more ignorant, more racist and more sexist than is acceptable now, but the times were not so different as people like to think. We like to assume that we're better and smarter and progress has been made, and in some ways it has - but a lot of that "progress" has been post-Bush regaining of ground and also progress in the struggle against Clinton-era policies like welfare "reform" and free trade. We've made some gains against all the shit that came down in the late nineties and early 2000s, in short.
posted by Frowner at 8:15 AM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


He's problematic as hell and about 50 times I winced at his speech.

But I do that about just about every goddamn thing on earth, so I gotta draw a line somewhere for myself and say "okay, overall on the whole I'm gonna pass on the rapey language given the context" But in another context I'd come out fighting.

For some people here, their come out fighting line *was last night*. And I support them in their anger because it is justified. I'm not going say "but but" I'm saying "I know girl, that shit is gross". It's not my line to draw, but it sure as hell okay for other to draw their lines in that sand where I didn't and still my support and backing.

We gotta be less oppositional folks. Shit's conflicting. Just because I don't act in lockstep doesn't mean I don't 100% agree with someone else.
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:17 AM on July 27, 2016 [21 favorites]


Trump being all like "Why would I ever criticize Vladimir Putin for anything?" I'm amazed that none of the reporters at the press conference have asked, "Well would you at least say it's not good to assassinate journalists?" But I guess they only get one question at a time, right...
posted by XMLicious at 8:17 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


On the topic of feminism, I would just like to register my strong objections to various "news" agencies cynically (but no doubt gleefully) loading their panels with female Republicans to get their hot takes on the historic nomination of a woman for President. I heard one young lady, a very strong advocate for Trump, say that it was the Democratic goal to raise women above men and deny her young son opportunity. It wasn't a good look for CNN this morning.
posted by xyzzy at 8:19 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


queenofbythnia, serious question : then where where did it come from, for you?
posted by schadenfrau at 8:19 AM on July 27, 2016


Trump is in a press conference breathing erratically and begging Putin to find more dirt on Hillary. On the morning when three powerful speakers and their friends are lining up to open a can of foreign-policy whoopass on him. If the Dems can't make this happen they don't deserve it.
posted by argybarg at 8:22 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


FDR cheated on Eleanor while in office

Technically true, but a bit of a misnomer. He'd had an affair in the 19-teens. They never divorced but never reconciled either, and their marriage was a political one only from then on. They rarely lived under the same roof.
 
posted by Herodios at 8:22 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I tuned into the convention for what i intended to be a few moments after work yesterday out of interest (I'm Canadian) and I ended up staying in my office for two hours after work watching the roll call! So engaging, so many great people and I learned facts about every state. The winner of the night was Louisiana, IMO.
posted by beau jackson at 8:22 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


oh, well should we "Deal With It" then?

Hell no. I was just expressing my exasperation with the process through facetiousness.
posted by Talez at 8:22 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


On the topic of feminism, I would just like to register my strong objections to various "news" agencies cynically (but no doubt gleefully) loading their panels with female Republicans to get their hot takes on the historic nomination of a woman for President. I heard one young lady, a very strong advocate for Trump, say that it was the Democratic goal to raise women above men and deny her young son opportunity. It wasn't a good look for CNN this morning.

This is part of Trump's basic strategy. He's taken up the Roger Ailes policy on public-facing representatives. The blonder the better. Because then how can you object! And also they're pretty! I'm a champion for women! Especially if they have nice legs, amirite? Have you seen the dogs Clinton hires? Sad!
posted by dis_integration at 8:23 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


So I've been wondering in passing if Julian Assange is seriously trying to derail the US election so he won't get extradited? That's what the NYT seemed to be suggesting.
posted by Peach at 8:25 AM on July 27, 2016




Oh, shit, he just barked "be quiet" at Katy Tur from NBC.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:27 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh, shit, he just barked "be quiet" at Katy Tur from NBC.

Come on Twitter, let's get that video up.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:28 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]




that whole “building her whole political story around her marriage to him” thing seems like an exercise in missing the point.

Yah, I'm not "done with Rachel Maddow", and I'm certainly not 'done' with her simply because we have different takes on Bill Clinton's speech.

But I'm afraid she's on probation now for palling around with Nicolle Wallace -- what in the world is Nicolle Wallace doing on MSNBC?

On the other hand, I guess I've just become accustomed to the previous version of MSNBC, not the one it's becoming. After all, Rachel used to show a certain about of deference to Pat Buchanan of all people. He was only fired from MSNBC in 2012.
 
posted by Herodios at 8:30 AM on July 27, 2016


I find it interesting that in all his denials - "I have no investments in Russia", "I've had no dealings with oligarchs" and so on, he's never said "I have no dealings with Russians or Russian companies'. In fact, it would be unusual if he didn't, given the amount of Russian money in the property market. And those would be in his books and probably in his tax returns.

Do such deals exist? What is their current status - could they be influencing his opinions and actions as a presidental nominee, and would they affect his decisions as President?

Come on, my American siblings in journalism, get on the case!
posted by Devonian at 8:30 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


So, I'm hearing about this Trump press conference. I can't bring myself to watch it, but it's got Josh Barro, who I have met and seriously respect, saying "I can't fucking take it anymore."
posted by dnash at 8:30 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Let's not forget that Hillary also had a strong backlash against HER after the affair broke. As I recall there was a lot of derision that even "nutcracker Hillary" was going to stand by her man. I was a teenager during this, but I remember the attitude of a lot of my peers (probably echoing their parents) was that sure, maybe Bill was a cad, but Hillary had been a big ol' bitch all her life but now she was too cowardly to leave her man. Along with, of course, the general snideness that "if my wife looked like that, acted like that", I would have strayed too, ha ha.

I think people did judge Bill, but she got it just as badly. I like to think that maybe, maybe, feminism has at least become more popular since then in calling out the treatment SHE got.
posted by nakedmolerats at 8:30 AM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


Did Trump just tell Katy Tur to “be quiet” and “ i know you want to save her?"

That's exactly what he said, and the context was: how can you possibly be standing up here asking publicly for the Russians to keep hacking the DNC and Clinton? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?
posted by dis_integration at 8:31 AM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Wait. Is he violating the Espionage Act?
posted by schmod at 8:34 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


It's tricky for the Clinton campaign who I'm sure must want to play this stuff on loop, but if he's talking about Clinton's email server, they can't do that because all it does is remind people of the scandal.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:36 AM on July 27, 2016


The thing that really struck me about Bill Clinton's speech was how he kept returning to the theme of 'keep trying until they say yes'. His own wooing of Hillary. His win, defeat, and finally re-election as Governor of Arkansas. Obama's recruitment of Hillary for Sec. of State. The subtext for all this is that this is Hillary's second run for President. When he finally ended with that line, "I hope you'll elect her", he put the entire electorate into both his and her shoes at once. All we have to do is say yes this time. The guy is a flawed human being for sure, but man, can he craft a speech.
posted by spudsilo at 8:36 AM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Let's not forget that Hillary also had a strong backlash against HER after the affair broke... I think people did judge Bill, but she got it just as badly.

Even as a teenaged dittohead at the time, I could not understand this.
posted by a snickering nuthatch at 8:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


schadenfrau - what, awareness of feminism? where DIDN'T it come from? Me personally, primarily from being a girl and never having had it beaten into me at a formative age that "it's not fair" isn't an argument anybody cares about. Secondarily from having a right-wing mother who, unlike Republicans who make a career out of it, was completely sincere about valuing logic and reason and virtue and truth. The truth was that I was great and smart and human; logic and reason made it clear to me that no way could I be the only girl or woman of whom this was true; everything else follows fairly simply so I never had any kind of conversion experience or great awakening; I never had to. I won't pretend I wasn't dumb enough to think Camille Paglia was cool for five or six minutes, but you must understand I thought she was cool because she sold herself as a brilliant bold contrarian who was unafraid of everybody, and that was something that credulous teens of the time thought was cool for women to be. Which says something.

There were various specific things -- tons of Alice Walker just because I read what my mom left lying around. I read The Handmaid's Tale when I was 13 or so; that was a big one; my brother asked for an Andrea Dworkin book for some birthday and I read it before giving it to him, that was another; but everything I cited in my previous comment, really. I'm serious when I say that - feminism was the Adversary so all these right-wing commentators devoted a whole lot of time to arguing against it and being afraid of it. It was very disappointing to go from the Limbaugh-esque picture of a frenzied crowd of women bloodthirsty for justice and power to the more conciliatory and decorous reality of mainstream feminist movements, but even if real feminism isn't quite as powerfully attractive as the right-wing vision of it, it was still pretty good.

This was of course also the time of PJ Harvey and Kathleen Hannah and Liz Phair and L7 and young angry Courtney Love and (so as not to pretend to much to good taste at the time) the Indigo Girls. and Xena and Buffy and so on and on and on.

And it was the era of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Feminism was so pervasive and I was so young and callow that I remember, and it is hard to admit, hating her as a perverse combination of absorbing some of my mother's opinions but also, and mostly, thinking it was totally unfair and unfeminist that she was so famous and had so much influence just because she was the president's wife. Even if she was brilliant and qualified, if she wanted to be in charge why didn't she just run for president herself?

Later, I learned some history. And even later than that - here we are.
posted by queenofbithynia at 8:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Turned the Trump presser on with no sound, and he looks terrified while trying very hard not to.

He saw what he was up against last night.

>:)
posted by schadenfrau at 8:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Fusion reports: RNC - 18 black delegates
DNC - 1,182 black delegates
posted by Sophie1 at 8:40 AM on July 27, 2016 [31 favorites]


Honestly, I don't think it's anything to do with the DNC, I think it's more that the bile from his mouth is finally catching up with him.
posted by dinty_moore at 8:41 AM on July 27, 2016




"Her number one person is married to Anthony Wiener, who is a sleazeball and a pervert!"
His main trouble isn't the word salad, it's that whenever he lapses into coherence, he says something like this.
posted by Don Pepino at 8:43 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm wondering what the Trump AMA on Reddit is going to be like. Does he have enough bros over there to softball him or will they eat him alive?
posted by dnash at 8:43 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Queen, I want to respond further but my phone is freaking out at the size of this thread. I don't think your experience is typical -- access and exposure to all those things, for one
posted by schadenfrau at 8:44 AM on July 27, 2016


I missed a lot yesterday so I'm catching up with C-Span's videos of each individual moment (I love their layout, why can't other news site be this organized?

I'm watching Howard Dean now, going to nod along wit y'all's comments from above!
posted by numaner at 8:44 AM on July 27, 2016


Can Trump just have one of his people impersonate him for the Reddit AMA? Do they have any way to verify that the person is actually at the keyboard?
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 8:45 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]



Can Trump just have one of his people impersonate him for the Reddit AMA? Do they have any way to verify that the person is actually at the keyboard?


If it's in any way coherent and uses correct spelling >80% of the time, we'll know it's not him.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:47 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's not just bad because of what he's saying, but what the press is not. They've almost entirely abdicated their responsibilities here. Every single question should have been about the taxes, not Junior's fucking mayoral ambitions or his RNC speech.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [24 favorites]


That Trump presser was borderline unhinged. If you don't already take seriously the idea that Trump displays psychopathic tendencies -- yeah, I know, remote diagnosis, but consider how he stiffs people just because, and probably doesn't even know why he's doing it, just that he's compelled to do it -- then you ought to.

The lawsuit that Trump settled over the Trump SoHo development included claims that it was funded with laundered money from Russia and Kazakhstan. Big-city real estate as a means of getting money out of dodgy regimes isn't a novel concept -- London's thick with it -- but damn.
posted by holgate at 8:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Really interesting article on Russian money and the US property market - there's a complicated dance going on with rich Russians using shell companies to buy into high-value US property, while trying to avoid the US sanctions and the displeasure of the Russian authorities who want to stop (the wrong, no doubt) money leaving their country.

According to PropertyShark, 54% of all New York real estate that was sold for over $5 million in 2014 was sold to shell companies. For example, if you were to lookup who owns many of the apartments in the Time Warner Center in New York’s Upper West Side, you would find a litany of LLCs and partnerships. But behind many of these companies are notable Russian elite like former Russian Senator Vitaly Malkin. These shell companies are frequently used by foreign investors to transfer large sums of cash around the world and are increasingly used to hold real estate assets in the United States with a degree of anonymity.

I'd be looking into Trump transactions with shell companies, meself.
posted by Devonian at 8:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Seriously how is his call-out to Russia to hack further not almost-barely-just-up-to-the-line of legit treason?
posted by dis_integration at 8:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump asking Russia openly to attack the US State Department. He's asking Russia to steal US state secrets and release them to help his campaign. So that puts all the Russian ties questions to rest, right? He's openly running as the Manchurian/Kremlin/Putin candidate, he's not even hiding it.

No Russia questions from the press, let's see if anyone will press Ryan or McConnell today, I want to see how they'll pretend that didn't just happen.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:49 AM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


Can Trump just have one of his people impersonate him for the Reddit AMA? Do they have any way to verify that the person is actually at the keyboard?

Yes and no. Typically they'll verify through another social media account. It's not uncommon to have someone else actually doing the typing, especially for older men.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:50 AM on July 27, 2016


Trump being all like "Why would I ever criticize Vladimir Putin for anything?" I'm amazed that none of the reporters at the press conference have asked, "Well would you at least say it's not good to assassinate journalists?"

TRUMP: Actually I like that he assassinated journalists, I would like to assassinate some journalists myself

JOURNALISTS: Oh, Donald!
posted by prize bull octorok at 8:50 AM on July 27, 2016 [32 favorites]


my phone is freaking out at the size of this thread.


To GOTO the bottom of the thread/page,

Search page for "Related Posts".

Scroll up a bit.

Click "n new comments, show".

You're now at the most recent unread comment.

Share and enjoy.
 
posted by Herodios at 8:50 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]




Seriously how is his call-out to Russia to hack further not almost-barely-just-up-to-the-line of legit treason?

IOKIYAR
posted by drezdn at 8:50 AM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is a very unfortunate time for Lin-Manuel Miranda to be on vacation. I miss his daily affirmations on the Twitter.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:50 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Seriously how is his call-out to Russia to hack further not almost-barely-just-up-to-the-line of legit treason?

IOKIYAR


If Trump (Jesus H. Christ please) loses, they'll go right back to pretending to be the "strong on Russia and foreign policy" party, and the media will let them. IOKIYAR indeed.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


If you're having difficulty with the long thread, I gave my webserver a good thumping, and my paginated MeFi mirror is back up [this thread].
posted by schmod at 8:53 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Search page for "Related Posts".

You just screwed that up. (Using the skip link at the top is better anyway)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:53 AM on July 27, 2016


Welp, now he just promised to "renegotiate" the Geneva conventions. He's in a fugue state.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:53 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Seriously how is his call-out to Russia to hack further not almost-barely-just-up-to-the-line of legit treason?

It's not. It IS treason.
posted by waitingtoderail at 8:54 AM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


I'm wondering what the Trump AMA on Reddit is going to be like. Does he have enough bros over there to softball him or will they eat him alive?

An AMA can basically only go as badly as the respondent makes it go by giving bad answers or non-answers. Failure to respond to any one of the great big piles of questions asked means that just dies on the vine as a thread that didn't go anywhere, and generally sinks to the bottom long tail of the page, one of a giant pile of no-response singletons.

So: you'll get softballs and you'll get hardballs, and Trump-or-whoever will respond to what they want to, and if they choose only to respond to softballs then the resulting Q&A will functionally just be softballs.

There's wrinkles there that someone who wants to take an unsympathetic-to-Trump lens can pick up on—maybe some of the unanswered questions will, in fact, be upboated like crazy; maybe the fact that, downvoting or not, a thousand people asked the same pointed, unanswered questions about his candidacy and behavior gets called out as "why won't he discuss it" and/or "the people take a dim view", etc.

But without a response it's hard to turn it into something chewy to report on. To the extent that reporting on a weird AMA is ever anything other than a semi-novelty Also There Is An Internet thing, I'd put my money on either (a) a particularly weird answer or three from Trump-and-co or (b) some like super gross racist/nazi shit in the mix.
posted by cortex at 8:54 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm calling it now, and I'm buying a bottle of something nice for when Trump loses in a landslide and is then subject to investigation for, at the least, tax fraud and money laundering.
posted by schadenfrau at 8:55 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Has anyone done a Trump/Pence logo mashup with "Putin" subbed in for "Pence?"

Surely, Internet.

*QUICK SEARCH*

Good job team.
posted by Tevin at 8:56 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump Calls On Russia to Hack and Release Clinton Emails: "During a news conference, Donald J. Trump called on Russia to find the roughly 30,000 emails that Hillary Clinton deleted from her private email server as secretary of state."
posted by zachlipton at 8:56 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump's AMA isn't on the main, vetted, moderated /r/AMA that most major ones are, it's going to be on the alt-right hotbed /r/TheDonald. Who the hell knows what that's going to be like. I'd bet on insanity.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:57 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Of course, now every asshat on Twitter is responding to Katy's tweets with a "be quiet."

I, too, am looking forward to a Clinton landslide.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:58 AM on July 27, 2016




The AMA is in /r/the_donald subreddit. They delete and ban any posts that are not 100% in support of Trump. It won't be softball, it'll be t-ball.
posted by cmfletcher at 8:58 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Pardon me for being blue but it is going to look like the world's biggest circle jerk.
posted by Tevin at 8:58 AM on July 27, 2016


Even as a teenaged dittohead at the time, I could not understand this.
She caught a lot of flack from feminists for standing by her man despite being betrayed and lied to. Even my mother would say that she was "an idiot standing by her idiot husband." I didn't put much stock into that as a teenager, though. Even back then I suspected that the word "marriage" might mean different things to different people, and I have no doubt that Bill is being 100% sincere when he calls Hillary his best friend. Whatever the nature of their relationship--strong friendship, political partnership, lovers, united parents--it's none of my business.

What I finally got out of all the speeches from last night, as a NY Democrat skeptical of but generally supportive of Hillary during her term here, is a sense of her motivation. I still can't tell you exactly WHY Hillary is so intensely devoted to celebrated and uncelebrated causes, but I finally get that she's always been this way. The distaste I had for her preternaturally serene pragmatism as a NY Senator makes much more sense in the context of her successes and failures. This is a person who had to turn idealism into action without nudging any spigots of support too far in either direction lest the whole thing flood or dry up. When filibustered, kicked out of office (Bill's lost term in AK), or voted against, she resurrects from the ashes of failure the seeds of the Big Idea and turns that into a small pebble that can be rolled uphill. I get her now. Finally. And it wasn't just Bill's speech that explained it--the testimonials from all of those men and women whose lives had been changed or improved by their interactions with her were instrumental to this new understanding I have of her. I'm converted to enthusiastic support of this candidate and I'm looking forward to seeing what she can do with this progressive platform while in office.
posted by xyzzy at 8:58 AM on July 27, 2016 [46 favorites]


I'm seeing updates from this press conference in my twitter feed and I can't tell what is real and what is parody. (Did he really not know what Hamas was? Did he really think Kaine was from New Jersey?)
posted by dinty_moore at 8:58 AM on July 27, 2016


It's not just bad because of what he's saying, but what the press is not. They've almost entirely abdicated their responsibilities here.

Well, I did just get a push notification from the NY Times that reads "Donald J. Trump calls on Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's email, essentially sanctioning a foreign power's cyberspying."

So I think they're beginning to remember how to do their jobs.
posted by dersins at 8:59 AM on July 27, 2016 [21 favorites]


My God. How much worse can this thing get?!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 9:01 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


So I think they're beginning to remember to do their jobs.

I mean there's now way you can't call this out. It's INSANE. It's really the craziest thing I've ever seen a major candidate for president do or say.
posted by dis_integration at 9:01 AM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


Oh, shit, he just barked "be quiet" at Katy Tur from NBC.

Bullying the press is probably going to prove quite popular, given how awful most of the American public thinks it is.

Actually, looking at that chart basically explains Trump's campaign: disparage the institutions at the bottom, reform or take over the institutions in the middle, praise the institutions at the top.
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 9:01 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


the white people are really mad huh.
posted by zutalors! at 9:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


The press are terrified of being banned from his campaign. Which... I don't really get? It's all out there on video. Use the time you'd normally spend travelling along with this circus to do some real investigative journalism into what Trump has been up to for the past 30 years, watch the video of his shitshow rallies and Twitter stream, write your articles.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [33 favorites]


Wow, these quotes coming out of the vulgarian's fingers mouth are off the charts . I hope this "campaign" destroys the Republicans' (utterly absurd) reputation for being the party that is "stronger on defence" or whatever. Trump does not realize that Manafort et al. are scamming him. What a dope.

May Priebus, McConnell, and Ryan pay a high political cost for their reckless support of this debacle of a candidate.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 9:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


My God. How much worse can this thing get?!
Don't say that. That's like a challenge to the universe.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 9:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


( I mean that's how we got all this Trump)
posted by zutalors! at 9:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump just asked Putin to hack Clinton. Really.
posted by persona au gratin at 9:03 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Use the time you'd normally spend travelling along with this circus to do some real investigative journalism

Right, it's not like the Washington Post has stopped reporting on him. And it's seriously pissing him off.
posted by suelac at 9:03 AM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Other highlights from the Trump press conference: Trump calling Obama the most ignorant president in history, telling a female reporter to be quiet, delighting in the results of the Freddie Grey case (saying the prosecutor should "prosecute herself"), calling John Hinkley "David Hinkley", disparaging the number of flags the DNC had, saying ISIS wasn't mentioned there, saying Hillary should not get security briefings...

(My partner is writing about Trump, and so I'm subject to more Trump than anyone should be.)
posted by carrienation at 9:03 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


schadenfrau - you are right in some ways but awareness of Hillary Clinton was not special to me or my circumstances, I will say.

I grew up in upstate new york, went to public schools, I remember my opinions as being the mainstream smart-girl ones. It was also a pretty middle-class and politically centrist milieu so relatively few of my peers had hardcore conservative parents at home to argue with like I did; I got a lot of arguing practice in early and I am happy to admit I am lucky and privileged in that. But that comment was a random selection of some personal influences, it wasn't a review of the culture at large. Linda Hamilton in Terminator II was 1991. The Spice Girls, who I was much too good for and also a little too old, made their careers on "girl power" being a marketable brand, for god's sake!

But for the zeitgeist overall, for the simple sense of how it felt up until GWB, this is largely an argument from competing memories so I don't think I can convince if you don't remember it that way. I will say I miss the image of feminists as man-hating shrillbots more than I can say. There was a pure freedom that I miss intensely in having it acknowledged that it is natural and normal to hate your oppressors. Nasty caricatures of feminists now are of ineffectual navel-gazing weaklings, so the hatred hasn't let up, but back then there was more fear of us along with the contempt. Nowadays the femnist internet is a sea of cute misandry jokes, at which I can smile wearily, but the need to make it clear that you're joking, that patriarchy hurts men too, that you're mad at the system, not at any man, never that, never think it -- I do not remember that from my childhood and teen years. maybe this is the hazy veil of nostalgia but I swear it doesn't seem like it.

to the degree that this is off-topic I can leave it alone or mods can delete, I guess. But all of it is a factor in why I and many Clinton supporters my age and older feel the way we do, I really believe.
posted by queenofbithynia at 9:03 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


How much worse can this thing get?!

He could win.
posted by T.D. Strange at 9:04 AM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]



Trump just asked Putin to hack Clinton. Really.


Well Cruz sent a letter to Iran.
posted by zutalors! at 9:04 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump's AMA isn't on the main, vetted, moderated /r/AMA that most major ones are, it's going to be on the alt-right hotbed /r/TheDonald.

Oh geez, I forgot that detail, yeah. Revised potential wrinkle list is basically just the last bit about weird gross nazi/racist shit, but the likelihood of that jumps up a fair bit. On the one hand it's not like that sub hasn't been terrible all along, but with a bunch of more general press eyeballs on it this could turn into another one of those Enough Negative Press That Reddit Management Notices things if thing go sufficiently weirdly, I suppose.
posted by cortex at 9:05 AM on July 27, 2016


Seriously how is his call-out to Russia to hack further not almost-barely-just-up-to-the-line of legit treason?

Treason worked for Nixon and Reagan, so...
posted by dirigibleman at 9:05 AM on July 27, 2016


cortex: [WRT bad Reddit AMAs] So: you'll get softballs and you'll get hardballs, and Trump-or-whoever will respond to what they want to, and if they choose only to respond to softballs then the resulting Q&A will functionally just be softballs.

Can we get this back to talking about Rampart, please?
posted by wenestvedt at 9:05 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


The press are terrified of being banned from his campaign. Which... I don't really get?

Agreed. He loves the attention way too much, he's bluffing.
posted by like_neon at 9:05 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Treason worked for Nixon

Well, not really. At least not in the long run, anyway.
posted by dersins at 9:06 AM on July 27, 2016


Treason worked for Nixon and Reagan, so...

Yeah but they had the good sense to not have their actions revealed until after they were already in power. Trump is just doing it right there in front of the world. He really will shoot someone on 5th ave in broad daylight before this shit is over and the talking heads will be like "wow that was nuts! can you believe it!?" while the Trump surrogates will be like "he deserved it, the president has to kill a lot of people so this is good practice, did he really kill that person, I don't know, show me the long form death certificate, also that was a brave and courageous act".
posted by dis_integration at 9:07 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Well, not really. At least not in the long run, anyway.

It totally worked for him, even in the long run. It's that whole other more prosaic domestic corruption and coverup that did him in.
posted by chimaera at 9:08 AM on July 27, 2016


He loves the attention way too much, he's bluffing.
Oh, he's not bluffing. He has revoked credentials from so many reporters during his campaign, they had their own party at the RNC. I just don't understand why, with a campaign that just puts EVERYTHING out there, you really need credentials to report.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:08 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


The press are terrified of being banned from his campaign. Which... I don't really get? It's all out there on video

They want to be on the video.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 9:08 AM on July 27, 2016


I want to send Katy Tur homemade chocolate chip cookies. She has had the worst job of this election reporting on Trump for NBC. She has done a great job despite having to listen to every one of his long-winded rants and all of his hack racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-Muslim sidekicks. She needs cookies. And a raise.
posted by Sophie1 at 9:08 AM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Sigourney Weaver just showed up on tonight's schedule for the end of the 6pm-10pm slot, eeeeeeee

Along with Martin O'Malley! He did get a slot after all!
posted by everybody had matching towels at 9:09 AM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


I'm a Clinton supporter your age, but with a different path. And at this. Point I'm nearly a lesbian separatist. May I offer you a spot in Amazonia? (If I had Koch money this would a thing)
posted by schadenfrau at 9:10 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wpw - from the April NY Times article linked by holgate above -

If the plans for it attracted controversy, so too would the company most responsible for its development: Bayrock Group.

Mr. Trump was foggy on how he first came to do business with Bayrock, a small development company whose offices were in Trump Tower in Midtown. In a deposition a few years ago, he said it might have been a Bayrock associate, Felix H. Sater, who first approached him in the early 2000s.

Mr. Sater, a Russian immigrant, had recently joined Bayrock at the behest of its founder, Tevfik Arif, a former Soviet-era commerce official originally from Kazakhstan. Bayrock, which was developing commercial properties in Brooklyn, proposed that Mr. Trump license his name to hotel projects in Florida, Arizona and New York, including Trump SoHo.

The other development partner for Trump SoHo was the Sapir Organization, whose founder, Tamir Sapir, was from the former Soviet republic of Georgia. In addition to receiving a licensing agreement, Mr. Trump would manage the completed condo-hotel, and he was also given a minor equity interest in it.


So how much in debt to Russian interests is Trump?
posted by Devonian at 9:11 AM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Well, at least this is front page news:

NYT Breaking News
Trump Calls On Russia to Hack and Release Clinton Emails

* “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Donald J. Trump said, referring to messages deemed personal by Hillary Clinton and deleted from her private email server.
* It was an extraordinary sanctioning of a foreign power’s cyberespionage, with Russia already accused of meddling in the election.
posted by RedOrGreen at 9:16 AM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Trump is doubling down on Twitter.
posted by Talez at 9:18 AM on July 27, 2016


I mean - all this stuff linking Donald and the frikkin' Russian mob is out there in plain sight.

Why is this not being dragged behind banners on helicopters following Trump's car everywhere?
posted by Devonian at 9:18 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Sigourney Weaver just showed up on tonight's schedule for the end of the 6pm-10pm slot,

At first, I thought that said Susan Sarandon and I almost did a spit take.
posted by drezdn at 9:18 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


It's INSANE. It's really the craziest thing I've ever seen a major candidate for president do or say.

I think it's the craziest thing I've ever heard any presidential candidate say. There's a solid chance it's the craziest thing any presidential candidate has said, ever.
posted by octobersurprise at 9:19 AM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


May I offer you a spot in Amazonia?

Complete derail, but one of the things I love about Dale McCormick's two books of instruction about carpentry, for women, is that she has all these little drawings that are great, and, for instance, the clamps all say "Made in Amazon Nation" in the drawings. They are great books, but that's like a little easter egg on every page.
posted by OmieWise at 9:19 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


In happier news, Charlie Pierce once again shows his flair for nicknames, this one about Bill's speech last night:
When he hit the 22-minute mark and we were only up to 1972 in the Hilliad, I thought seriously about sending out for bottled water and provisions.
posted by zombieflanders at 9:20 AM on July 27, 2016 [34 favorites]


saturday_morning: "No, it was a giant honking Cubs joke"

The only giant honking joke I better see this week is the Philly Phanatic.
posted by boo_radley at 9:20 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]




It's INSANE. It's really the craziest thing I've ever seen a major candidate for president do or say.

I guess, at least he's doing it in public. Unlike Nixon secretly undermining the 1968 Paris peace talks, thus prolonging the Vietnam war to bolster his campaign of fear. Which few people openly admitted he'd done until fairly recently.
posted by dnash at 9:22 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


The press are terrified of being banned from his campaign. Which... I don't really get?

And to add to that, press coverage is all he really has. He's got no proper organization, and great chunks of the existing party are seething with resentment against him. The only "strategy" he has is monopolizing the news cycle. His existing support is based on "I saw him on TV". He's got nothing else. The press could totally have Trump by the tender bits, if they put a mind to it.
posted by gimonca at 9:22 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


the idea that Drumpf is literally working with Russian hackers is almost so ridiculous and stupid that it's guaranteed to be what he's actually doing.

OMG. Trump's Razor...
posted by dnash at 9:23 AM on July 27, 2016 [19 favorites]


I'm really not trying to be conspiracy-theorist about this but the idea that Trump is literally working with Russian hackers is almost so ridiculous and stupid that it's guaranteed to be what he's actually doing

No, I think "useful idiot" is a much more apt description of what is going on here. They just had no idea how useful he'd really be until this year.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:24 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


SURELY THIS




please
posted by murphy slaw at 9:25 AM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Trump-Putin Fallacy

tl;dr -- we can't blame Putin for Trump
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:26 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


God above.
"Putin used the N word, you know what that means, the N word? He doesn't like Obama, he doesn't respect him. I think he'll respect your President Trump. And I hope he'll like me!" Sweet, so Putin's a racist? Putin will love hearing that. Americans pissed off Putin by electing a black guy and now we need to appease Russia by electing a white guy. The voters will love hearing that. Why are they letting him out to talk live? Just put him on his plane and hand him a bottle of something and fly him around.
posted by Don Pepino at 9:26 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


but the idea that Trump is literally working with Russian hackers is almost so ridiculous and stupid that it's guaranteed to be what he's actually doing.

Again, per Josh Marshall and mefisownjohnscalzi, Trump's Razor.
posted by holgate at 9:27 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


He keeps saying Putin & co don't respect the US and won't respect Clinton, but Putin will respect him. He really thinks he's going to intimidate a former KGB member?
posted by nakedmolerats at 9:28 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Anyone else have that feeling you get when watching The Room?
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 9:28 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Daniel Drezner tweeted: "What the fuck? WHAT IN THE FUCKING FUCK??!!"

rofl
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:29 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


The only "strategy" he has is monopolizing the news cycle. His existing support is based on "I saw him on TV". He's got nothing else.

The problem, though, is that "I saw him on TV" is actually working.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:29 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Putin used the N word, you know what that means, the N word? He doesn't like Obama, he doesn't respect him. I think he'll respect your President Trump. And I hope he'll like me!"

Please make it clear you're writing satire

[googles]

what the fuck
posted by prize bull octorok at 9:29 AM on July 27, 2016 [22 favorites]




Unlike Nixon secretly undermining the 1968 Paris peace talks, thus prolonging the Vietnam war to bolster his campaign of fear.

And Dick needed Kissinger's help with that. Donnie's capable of treason all by himself. Who says he isn't the YUGEist CLASSY-ist treason-er ever?
posted by octobersurprise at 9:30 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Seriously how is his call-out to Russia to hack further not almost-barely-just-up-to-the-line of legit treason?

It's not. It IS treason.


The Constitution is pretty clear about this one, it's not, but it's not like Trump's demonstrated that he cares what the document says before, so.
posted by phunniemee at 9:30 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


The press could totally have Trump by the tender bits, if they put a mind to it.

That presser is what you get when the media spotlight's off Trump for two days. Two days. Ignore him for a week and he might literally shoot someone on 5th Avenue for attention.
posted by holgate at 9:31 AM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]




Have we ever had a candidate so confident in their patriotism that they were willing to encourage Russian cyber-espionage on television? What a time to be alive!
posted by snofoam at 9:36 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


if he survives this, i … i just don't understand anymore

it doesn't matter what his policies are (they're incoherent and/or horrendous)
it doesn't matter what he says
it doesn't matter what his supporters do

either democracy has collapsed completely or being Not Hillary Clinton is a strong enough brand to overcome being Donald Fucking Trump and maybe that's the same thing
posted by murphy slaw at 9:37 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]




Donald Trump soliciting a Russian hack against Hillary Clinton, in perspective.
Set aside all the troubling questions Trump won’t answer about Russian investment in his business projects, and about his advisers’ financial ties to Russian oligarchs, and about the growing consensus that Russian security services stole DNC emails, and about all the quos, like Trump threatening to abrogate NATO commitments, and his intent to dial back support for Ukraine independence, and his opposition to Russian sanctions. In other words, pretend none of the strange aromas engulfing his campaign were there and consider: Trump just coordinated with Russia in a way that would be illegal if Russia were a super PAC, in the hope that Russia will do something it would be illegal for a super PAC to do.

If at any point since 2008, Barack Obama had walked up to the microphones and given the presentation Trump just gave, it would have been remembered as the meltdown that ended his career. In this case, Republican leaders, including Trump’s running mate Mike Pence, are treating it as a gaffe that needs to be cleaned up with a quick denunciation of Vladimir Putin. I don’t know if I can handle covering another election after this one, but the good news is there probably won’t be one.
posted by zombieflanders at 9:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Recap: Trump gets Tim Kaine's state wrong and John Hinckley's name wrong, calls Obama "the most ignorant president in our history."

In the poorly written airport book that is Year 2016, this is just the overly on-the-nose foreshadowing that Trump won't be President.
posted by palindromic at 9:40 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


i am so full of popcorn i could burst
posted by entropicamericana at 9:40 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Sigourney Weaver just showed up on tonight's schedule for the end of the 6pm-10pm slot, eeeeeeee

If she doesn't start with "Hello, I'm Sigourney Weaver and welcome to the Marine Life Institute for the rescue, rehabilitation and release of ailing marine animals." I'm gonna be disappointed.
posted by zarq at 9:42 AM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


He also confused Kaine with someone else.
posted by persona au gratin at 9:43 AM on July 27, 2016


Clearly one strategy to consider is to simply ask him lots of ridiculous questions: "Mr. Trump, would you support a Russian drone strike on Hillary Clinton for the sake of making sure America is great again?"
posted by snofoam at 9:43 AM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


I don't know who would be the better attack dog for this tonight. On the one hand, Diamond Joe loves sinking his teeth into some juicy Republican flesh, and he'll be more easily forgiven if he gets a bit salty and/or shouty. On the other, there's something about the gravitas of the sitting President telling us how far gone the man is, and (OMG I hope) a lot fewer people will fall for the Angry Black Man Obama caricature the wingers will make when he's talking about something like this.
posted by zombieflanders at 9:43 AM on July 27, 2016


If she doesn't start with "Hello, I'm Sigourney Weaver and welcome to the Marine Life Institute for the rescue, rehabilitation and release of ailing marine animals." I'm gonna be disappointed.

and then everyone in the audience gets a BABY SEAL
posted by murphy slaw at 9:43 AM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Has he already had his intelligence briefing? Because, well. It's concerning, is all.
posted by Superplin at 9:45 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Sigourney Weaver just showed up on tonight's schedule for the end of the 6pm-10pm slot, eeeeeeee

If she doesn't start with "Hello, I'm Sigourney Weaver and welcome to the Marine Life Institute for the rescue, rehabilitation and release of ailing marine animals." I'm gonna be disappointed.


I was thinking of her speech at the end of Cabin in the Woods, but that woulda been last week.
posted by Etrigan at 9:45 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump claimed today that he never met Putin. Previously:
On the GOP debate stage in November, though, Trump bragged about meeting the Russian leader.

"I got to know him very well because we were both on '60 Minutes,' we were stablemates, and we did very well that night," Trump said.

Time reported that for that edition of "60 Minutes," Trump was interviewed in the United States by CBS host Charlie Rose, who then traveled to Russia to interview Putin. The two appeared on the same segment of the long-running docu-series.

Trump also said during a National Press Club luncheon in 2014 that he was in Moscow and he spoke "directly and indirectly with President Putin who could not have been nicer."
But nobody cares because who needs to live in the reality-based community when we can just make our own?
posted by zachlipton at 9:46 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


If she doesn't start with "Hello, I'm Sigourney Weaver and welcome to the Marine Life Institute for the rescue, rehabilitation and release of ailing marine animals." I'm gonna be disappointed.

"There is no Trump there is only Putin"?
posted by Talez at 9:47 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I guess, at least he's doing it in public. Unlike Nixon secretly undermining the 1968 Paris peace talks, thus prolonging the Vietnam war to bolster his campaign of fear.

And I recall Reagan sneaking around to get the US hostages in Iran kept in captivity longer so that he could win the election and be the "hero".

Domestically, we have intentional disenfranchisement of non-felons in Florida and some hideous gerrymandering in 2010 to defeat the will of the people in selecting Congressmen.

To me the ratfucking seen in the DNC emails is tiny shit in the shadow of the really huge shitshows that swing elections and shape history. I want some kind of voter education efforts to be sure people born decades after me know some of these important points.
posted by puddledork at 9:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Mr. Trump, would you support a Russian drone strike on Hillary Clinton for the sake of making sure America is great again?"

THAT one might actualy come up on the AMA.
posted by OnceUponATime at 9:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Has he already had his intelligence briefing? Because, well. It's concerning, is all.

I suggested this in another thread, but all they really have to do is stamp "Top Secret" on some press briefing materials and give them to him in an official-looking folder. He is far too stupid to tell the difference.
posted by dersins at 9:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sigourney Weaver just showed up on tonight's schedule for the end of the 6pm-10pm slot, eeeeeeee

Pleeeease let her walk out wearing a power loader suit!
posted by strange chain at 9:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Have you all seen this?

Kasich campaign launches Trump/Putin website


It doesn't look like Trump will win Ohio.
posted by maggiemaggie at 9:49 AM on July 27, 2016 [31 favorites]


The Republican ticket does not appear to be on the same page with respect to Russia, hacking. Mike Pence warns of ‘serious consequences’ if Russia hacked DNC emails:
“If it is Russia and they are interfering in our elections, I can assure you both parties and the United States government will ensure there are serious consequences,” the Indiana governor and Donald Trump’s running mate said in a statement.

Pence’s comments come as the FBI is investigating the release of sensitive Democratic Party emails. He spoke moments after Trump told reporters that it’s “far-fetched” to think Russia hacked Democrats to help him.
posted by palindromic at 9:50 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Pleeeease let her walk out wearing a power loader suit!

"They nominated Trump? Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"

"Goddammit, that's not all! 'Cause if he gets elected then that *will* be all! And all this... this *bullshit* you think is so important... You can just kiss all of that goodbye!"
posted by zarq at 9:50 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump also said during a National Press Club luncheon in 2014 that he was in Moscow and he spoke "directly and indirectly with President Putin who could not have been nicer."
But nobody cares because who needs to live in the reality-based community when we can just make our own?


Trump's approach to truth is so unsettling because after all those statements we really have no idea whether he ever met or talked to Putin or not. He could've been lying about meeting him in the first place because it makes him feel important to have met important people or he could be lying now, there could be a photo of them signing a secret pact to cooperate and reality would be so tenuous now that people would say it was faked and we'd never know what was real how is this real what is happening i can't deal
posted by dis_integration at 9:51 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Kasich campaign launches Trump/Putin website

In December of last year! Which is all the more hilarious.
posted by zachlipton at 9:51 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I apologize if this has been covered upthread or in a previous election thread, but has it been confirmed that Trump is running for president of the United States?
posted by snofoam at 9:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Has he already had his intelligence briefing?

Yes, and they found him lacking.
posted by JackFlash at 9:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [32 favorites]


Have you all seen this?

Kasich campaign launches Trump/Putin website

It doesn't look like Trump will win Ohio.


Yeah. Ohio's champion rat-f*cker.

Don't get between your enemy and your enemy's enemies.
 
posted by Herodios at 9:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]




That website doesn't appear to be functional anymore ;___;

Someone please put it back up.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:53 AM on July 27, 2016


Trump also suggests that it's very unfair that he gets audited every year for the past 15 years, saying "maybe it's because of politics" because his rich friends don't get audited like that. Except he wasn't in politics for almost all of those years, and, you know, you get audited when you have shady suspicious stuff in your tax returns every single year.
posted by zachlipton at 9:53 AM on July 27, 2016


In December of last year! Which is all the more hilarious.

Or disturbing. All the campaigns do opposition research. I wonder if Kasich's uncovered something that he didn't use during the primary but is just now being brought to light.
posted by zarq at 9:54 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donald Trump Wanted a ‘Showbiz’ Convention. Hillary Clinton Got One [AUTOPLAY!]
Donald Trump promised a star-studded Republican convention, but the Democratic convention has been shining much brighter.

Hillary Clinton made no promises about her convention being different, but it has been packed with as many celebrity appearances as some awards shows.

TV ratings, one of Trump’s favorite metrics of success, show viewers were more drawn to the Democratic convention: 10.6 million Americans tuned in for the Democrats’ first night, compared to 10.1 for the Republicans’.

To be fair, it always tends to be easier for Democratic events to whip up celebrity guests, who tend to lean liberal. But Trump was a television star himself, and his convention fell short of the expectations he set. Now he claims that’s never what he wanted in the first place.
-- Tessa Berenson, Time
posted by Herodios at 9:55 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


If something keeps happening to you over and over yet doesn't happen to your peers, the logical conclusion is that it's because of something you're doing. But this is a concept lost on even just regular-schmoe Nice Guys, so I know it'll never penetrate Donald Trump's cranium.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:55 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


"It was about the things that were said in those emails. They were terrible things. Talking about Jewish, talking about race, talking about atheist."

How can anybody do that to the English language?
posted by zachlipton at 9:56 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Kasich campaign launches Trump/Putin website

I get a "403 Forbidden" when I try to go to the actual site, though. Sad!
posted by dnash at 9:57 AM on July 27, 2016


How Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are double-teaming Donald Trump
Last night a former president spoke at the Democratic convention. Tonight the current one does. . . . Bill Clinton’s task was to make everyone feel a whole lot better about Hillary Clinton, while Barack Obama’s job is to make everyone feel utterly horrified by Donald Trump.
[. . . ]
{I]n a new interview, Obama signaled that he will essentially try to carry out the massacre of Trump that was missing last night.

Previewing his speech, Obama told NBC’s Savannah Guthrie that Trump’s ignorance and lack of curiosity about the world pose a unique danger, should he find his way anywhere near the Oval Office. “What I think is scary is a president who doesn’t know their stuff and doesn’t seem to have any interest in learning what they don’t know,” Obama said, adding that Trump lacks a “basic knowledge about the world,” that he “doesn’t know” about the nuclear order and other crucial matters, and that he “hasn’t seemed to spend a lot of time trying to find out about” them.
[. . . ]
He’ll try to expose Trump’s depiction of the country as basically a Big Lie, a fraudulent vision of a hellscape in which crime is rampaging out of control, teeming dark hordes threaten us from the south, refugee-terrorists threaten us from the east, and only a single domineering figure who is not hamstrung by “political correctness” — read: racial sensitivity — can make it all better again.

The challenge for Obama will be to make all these points . . . while acknowledging that there is still a long way to go. Speaking to voters’ legitimate grievances in a balanced way may prove the only way to prevent Trump from successfully exploiting them.
[. . . ]
The good news [?] for Democrats is that Trump has been so over the top in his efforts to make us all feel miserable and terrified . . . that he may have left room for a middle ground sentiment . . .
-- Greg Sargent, Washington Post
posted by Herodios at 9:58 AM on July 27, 2016


If the Dems can't make this happen they don't deserve it.

If it doesn't happen, it'll be the fault of everyone who votes for Trump and not because the Dems didn't have a good candidate or didn't do their utmost to win (anyone who has been watching the last two nights knows this).
posted by longdaysjourney at 9:59 AM on July 27, 2016 [32 favorites]


I was sitting here drinking a Mountain Dew and thinking "What in the hell is going on?" and I happened to look down at the side of the Dew can and in small print it says "partially produced with genetic engineering"

So obviously I am now hallucinating because of some frankencorn

That's comforting
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 10:00 AM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


How Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are double-teaming Donald Trump

phrasing
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:00 AM on July 27, 2016 [69 favorites]


He also confused Kaine with someone else.

better.
posted by phearlez at 10:00 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


"Mr. Trump, would you support a Russian drone strike on Hillary Clinton the cast of Ghostbusters for the sake of making sure America is great again?"

That one will certainly be in the AMA.
posted by octobersurprise at 10:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


How Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are double-teaming Donald Trump

phrasing


I don't like sports metaphors either.
 
posted by Herodios at 10:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Charles Pierce: Future Historians Are Not Going to Believe That This Happened:
Look, if he buttonholed you at the 19th hole and ran this rap, wheezing and babbling, you'd flee for the putting green, but we're beyond that point now. This gabbling flummery is what a substantial portion of the American electorate wants in a leader, so there we are.

The only interesting part of the extended spotlight walking was the repeated questioning that he got about his prolonged slow dance with Vladimir Putin. Judging by his remarks on Wednesday, He, Trump doesn't know anything more about Russia beyond what he learned eating chicken Kiev in Brighton Beach. How could anyone ever think otherwise?
posted by palindromic at 10:03 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm increasingly convinced the Republican plan is to get him elected and immediately impeach him -- for exactly this stuff he's pulling during the election -- and that way they can have President Pence, who would never win a presidential election on his own.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 10:03 AM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


So, like. Let's pretend, in a fantasy world, that Trump has to step down from the nomination for whatever reason. What would be the next procedural step? Would Cruz be the nominee then? Or Pence? Or could the Republicans just not have a candidate? Seriously, I have Questions.
posted by xyzzy at 10:04 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


On facebook, some Busters are coming out again. They seem to think that Bernie Sanders has not yet conceded and still wants their votes.

I am still very glad that I have to scroll past them and not people who support Trump.
posted by dinty_moore at 10:04 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Charles Pierce: Future Historians Are Not Going to Believe That This Happened:

Let's hope Trump isn't The Mule, then.
 
posted by Herodios at 10:04 AM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm increasingly convinced the Republican plan

Let me stop you right there...
posted by Etrigan at 10:05 AM on July 27, 2016 [32 favorites]


So, like. Let's pretend, in a fantasy world, that Trump has to step down from the nomination for whatever reason. What would be the next procedural step?

At this pace, if he makes it to September - never mind November - I will be amazed.
posted by yhbc at 10:06 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


For the remainder of the 2016 Election, I will be substituting Eazy-E derisively spitting the word "Bustas" for any mentions of Busters.
posted by Celsius1414 at 10:06 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


On facebook, some Busters are coming out again. They seem to think that Bernie Sanders has not yet conceded and still wants their votes.


Wha

He literally stood on the floor of the convention and asked that Hillary become the Democratic nominee.

I'm sure people are still holding out hope he'll run third party.
posted by zutalors! at 10:07 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Anyone wanting to see an archived copy of Kasich's Trump-Putin2016.com website can access it using archive.org's wayback machine
posted by metaphorever at 10:07 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


So, like. Let's pretend, in a fantasy world, that Trump has to step down from the nomination for whatever reason.

He's won't step down, he's too much of a narcissist for that. He could be indicted and he'd still be trying to run.
posted by dinty_moore at 10:08 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


For the AMA I imagine there will tons of downvote brigading but the proper tactic, considering the sub where the AMA is happening, would be to upvote brigade the most vile, racist and sexist questions so that they're more visible and likely to be answered.
posted by charred husk at 10:08 AM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


President Pence would just be a puppet for President Ryan, who should have just run already this year.
posted by zutalors! at 10:09 AM on July 27, 2016


For the remainder of the 2016 Election, I will be substituting Eazy-E derisively spitting the word "Bustas" for any mentions of Busters.
A scrub is a guy that thinks he's fly
And is also known as a buster
Always talkin' about what he wants
And just sits on his broke ass

posted by murphy slaw at 10:09 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Judging by his remarks on Wednesday, He, Trump doesn't know anything more about Russia beyond what he learned eating chicken Kiev in Brighton Beach. How could anyone ever think otherwise?

I don't give a shit what Trump knows about Russia, if he can see it from his house, or whatever else. The question here is what Russia's interests and investments in Trump are.
posted by nubs at 10:10 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


That, or an establishment Republican (say, Lindsay Graham or Mitt Romney) enters as a 3rd-party candidate late in the race, and sends the election to the house.

The only question is: Would said establishment republicans do this to prevent a hypothetical President Trump, or to prevent a hypothetical President Clinton. I could see somebody like Mitt Romney being a lot more concerned about the former than the latter.
posted by schmod at 10:12 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am still very glad that I have to scroll past [Busters] and not people who support Trump.

Little difference at this point.
posted by argybarg at 10:12 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Here's a video excerpt of the Trump quote Don Pepino mentions above ("Putin used the N word, you know what that means, the N word? ...")
posted by taz at 10:13 AM on July 27, 2016


It also occurs to me that Trump will be answering the questions from the AMA while he about two blocks away from me - he's in Toledo today and is appearing an hour after the AMA is scheduled. Wonder who's internet he'll be using?
posted by charred husk at 10:13 AM on July 27, 2016


Bill O'Reilly is why the phrase "STFU" was invented (Jim Wright, Facebook)

Look here: If one day you wake up to discover that you're suddenly an apologist for slavery, FUCKING SLAVERY, that might be the day to take a good long look at your miserable life.
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 10:13 AM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


I'm actually kind of curious how the AMA will unfold because the reddit people have to know that if they don't intervene, the top x questions are all going to be from white supremacists, but if they do intervene, they're going to have another kind of shitshow on their hands altogether. No great option and pretty much no matter what, everyone's going to look bad, so it's the perfectly suited venue for his campaign. It's too bad they didn't do portions of the RNC via AMA.
posted by feloniousmonk at 10:14 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]




Buried news today: Trump would consider recognizing Crimea as legally part of Russia

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!

Between this and calling for hackers to attack members of government if you still think this man is fit even to be a dogcatcher in a one stoplight town you need to stop drinking rubbing alcohol.

Poor people who are responsible for the content of his security briefings; they must sweat bullets over every scrap of fact they put in them.
posted by winna at 10:14 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I just re-clicked on the Trump-Putin jpeg and I see it just fine. Not Sad.
posted by y2karl at 10:15 AM on July 27, 2016


When Bloomberg declined to run third party, it was really close to the balloting deadline in many states, I think. Anyone - Bernie, Romney, Jesus - who tried to run now would either have to find a random party that could slap them in or try to get people to write them in, which is a hard road to hoe.
posted by dismas at 10:15 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


A scrub is a guy that thinks he's fly . . .

Oh, did "scrub" come back, too?

What's next, "gentleman"?

Kids, howevermuch you dig Hamilton! don't let's revive "affairs of honor" in this country, too.
 
posted by Herodios at 10:16 AM on July 27, 2016


We can all hope that Trump won't actually READ the intelligence briefings. There's not a lot of evidence that he'd go to that much effort, is there?
posted by Andrhia at 10:17 AM on July 27, 2016


President Pence would just be a puppet for President Ryan, who should have just run already this year.

Yes, Ryan definitely wants to be Henry Clay, the Whig kingmaker and back-room dealer. He doesn't realize that his party is no longer heir to the Whigs, but to the Know-Nothings.

The one wise thing he did in this campaign was not to run against the full-steam HRC juggernaut. He's betting that in 2024 he'll be seen as a statesman who can convince a new coalition that the Dems have gone too far—but I have yet to see any statesmanship.
posted by infinitewindow at 10:17 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


No, but Paul Manafort will, which is scarier.
posted by argybarg at 10:18 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I apologize if this has been covered upthread or in a previous election thread, but has it been confirmed that Trump is running for president of the United States?

I'm still not sure, myself.

I'm actually kind of curious how the AMA will unfold because the reddit people have to know that if they don't intervene, the top x questions are all going to be from white supremacists

The subreddit he's going to be on is pretty much there already.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:18 AM on July 27, 2016



Poor people who are responsible for the content of his security briefings; they must sweat bullets over every scrap of fact they put in them.


I listened to a podcast about the briefings and it basically said they're very artfully done - they don't hand over a file full of "here's what's up with Russia" or whatever.

The guest in the podcast had done the briefings for Kerry in 2004. Basically he said that the better questions you ask, the more information they will give you. Like if you have already picked up the thread of a situation, they'll help you "complete the sentence," so to speak.

In that case it doesn't seem like Trump will get very far with those guys.
posted by zutalors! at 10:19 AM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


We can all hope that Trump won't actually READ the intelligence briefings. There's not a lot of evidence that he'd go to that much effort, is there?

It's not like Obama and the intelligence community have no say in what those briefings contain. They'd be well within their rights to withhold whatever info they wanted from them.
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:19 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


More from the press conference: "And of course I had to delay the news conference [announcing Pence] because there was an attack, a horrible attack, horrible, in France, and I delayed the news conference and everyone said "oh he's having second thoughts." I've never had a second thought in my life."

Have you ever had a first one?
posted by zachlipton at 10:21 AM on July 27, 2016 [30 favorites]


We can all hope that Trump won't actually READ the intelligence briefings.

i feel like when he reads something it's like that far side cartoon of what dogs hear when we talk to them; all he sees is a gibberish mess of letters interspersed with TRUMP! every so often

i feel bad about this comparison because dogs are so far superior to trump in every possible demonstrable way

actual dog poop is superior to trump lbr
posted by poffin boffin at 10:22 AM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


I'm actually kind of curious how the AMA will unfold

They're limiting who can post and pre-selecting questions. It's going to be an online pep rally, not an AMA.
posted by cmfletcher at 10:22 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's not like Obama and the intelligence community have no say in what those briefings contain. They'd be well within their rights to withhold whatever info they wanted from them.

Seriously, they should just print out a full copy of the CIA World Factbook, stamp it with "Top Secret" and hand that to him. He'd never know the difference, 'cause it would have the CIA seal on it and he wouldn't read it anyway.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 10:23 AM on July 27, 2016 [27 favorites]


Watching that press conference, one can't help but wonder anew what the Clinton-Trump TV debates will be like, which is almost as imponderable as whether Trump will do them.
posted by Devonian at 10:26 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


guise, this is all gonna blow over when trump announces his campaign's new theme song
posted by murphy slaw at 10:26 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


[Paul Ryan]'s betting that in 2024 he'll be seen as a statesman who can convince a new coalition that the Dems have gone too far—but I have yet to see any statesmanship.

I'm not that convinced that he wants to be President -- at least, not yet. He's only 46 years old, so he's got plenty of time to change his mind, but as of July 27th, 2016, I think he's cool with where he is.
posted by Etrigan at 10:27 AM on July 27, 2016


The guest in the podcast had done the briefings for Kerry in 2004. Basically he said that the better questions you ask, the more information they will give you. Like if you have already picked up the thread of a situation, they'll help you "complete the sentence," so to speak.

This is so much like my job I am chortling at my desk.
posted by winna at 10:28 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


Guys I liked Archer as a TV show I wasn't ready for it become reality

(Oh who am I kidding, downs martini, jumps out window)
posted by The Whelk at 10:28 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


zutalors! : I listened to a podcast about the briefings

Do you have a link? Would be interesting...
posted by ltl at 10:29 AM on July 27, 2016


They're limiting who can post and pre-selecting questions. It's going to be an online pep rally, not an AMA.


AMA = Ask Me an Approvedquestion
posted by MCMikeNamara at 10:29 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I'm Donald J. Trump, millionaire. AMCACQ."
Ask me carefully-screened and cherry-picked questions.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:30 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


The guest in the podcast had done the briefings for Kerry in 2004. Basically he said that the better questions you ask, the more information they will give you.

Here's the story on how the CIA arranged briefings in Arkansas with Bill Clinton in 1992. He was, as he's demonstrated throughout his political career, extremely well-prepared to ask questions.
posted by holgate at 10:30 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Paul Ryan wants it but he also wants to be the white knight. He knows his party is fucked, so coming up thru the regular channels will only get that stink on him. He wants to be a savior and above the fray, just like how he finally accepted the Speakership. He's been playing the calm statesman and it's him I worry about.
posted by readery at 10:31 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Somebody also asked Trump if he'd consider dropping sanctions against Russia and recognising Crimea, and he brushed it off with something like "Yeah, we'll be looking into that."

Ok.
posted by tobascodagama at 10:31 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


We can all hope that Trump won't actually READ the intelligence briefings. There's not a lot of evidence that he'd go to that much effort, is there?

It's not like Obama and the intelligence community have no say in what those briefings contain. They'd be well within their rights to withhold whatever info they wanted from them.

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posted by Herodios at 10:32 AM on July 27, 2016 [52 favorites]


In an ongoing awakening which largely had its genesis by joining MF ten years ago, I would like to thank y'all, and especially the women in this thread for getting me to think about what it might mean to me if I was a woman in a sexist, backwards society to see a woman nominated to be president of the United States.

I stayed up until 5AM reading this thread because of how joyous it was, how nice it was to be reminded that no matter our societal problems there are reasons to hope, and fixing things isn't a kid's dream of "make it didn't happen" but a lot of slow, hard work.

Everyone who does that work: You're my heroes.

I am a feminist and socially progressive and generally a pinko, but time and again it becomes clear I'm also incredibly lazy about it--about considering what it might mean and not just checking a mental box which says "yep, I agree with that". Thank you MF for helping to fix that. Slowly.
posted by maxwelton at 10:33 AM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]




recognising Crimea

(Probably makes sense in context, but to clarify: recognising Russia's annexation of Crimea.)
posted by tobascodagama at 10:34 AM on July 27, 2016


Well, if you've got Best Korea behind you, I don't see how you can possibly lose.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 10:35 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


In that case it doesn't seem like Trump will get very far with those guys.

There are people around Trump who have questions they would like the answers to, and are in a position to feed them to Trump.
posted by OmieWise at 10:36 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]




There are people around Trump who have questions they would like the answers to, and are in a position to feed them to Trump.

I am confident his ability to regurgitate a coherent sentence, even one on a piece of paper in front of him, is fairly limited.
posted by Mooski at 10:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


one can't help but wonder anew what the Clinton-Trump TV debates will be like, which is almost as imponderable as whether Trump will do them.

I was thinking about this today. He'll want to humiliate and belittle Clinton to her face, because that's what he does, that's what he did in the primary, and he considers it a sign of strength and power. He probably imagines being able to talk about Bill's infidelity and Benghazi and email servers and speaking engagements and whatever to see if she'll break down. But she already knows that.
posted by holgate at 10:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


On facebook, some Busters are coming out again. They seem to think that Bernie Sanders has not yet conceded and still wants their votes.

My experience with social media became immeasurably better when I unfollowed those people.

Just sayin'.
posted by dersins at 10:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


I know the intelligence community has been worried about several of Trump's associates for a while. Before any of this happened. Can the nominee have their team in there with them during the briefing and can the intelligence people deny certain members of that team access if they don't trust them?
posted by downtohisturtles at 10:39 AM on July 27, 2016


When will we start seeing polls from this week? Does the convention really seem to not be helping Clinton's numbers?

I'm actually scared right now.
posted by schmod at 10:39 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Politico: Trump to look at recognizing Crimea as Russian territory, lifting sanctions

This just reinforces that Trump, if he has any skill at negotiation at all, it's only where he already has a massive disproportionate advantage already, like being a millionaire with an army of lawyers suing a small business or employee, or making some special arrangement with the management of a company that gives him leverage to screw over the other shareholders. When Trump is facing off against someone on the same level as him, who can pull all the same shit, this is what happens, or for example the deal worked out with Cruz that let him speak at the convention.

I mean here, before any negotiation has even started (or maybe after a deal has already been struck...) he's already made the "appeasement" concession that U.S. conservatives love to accuse anyone and everyone actually behaving competently in foreign affairs of doing: and this time, it's nearly exactly the same thing as Neville Chamberlain acceding to the Nazi occupation of the Sudetenland under the color of ethnic sovereignty.

But what do you want to bet that this occasion, out of all occasions, is going to be the one where we don't hear any cries of "Appeasement!" from conservatives. Journalists and debate moderators need to be asking Trump whether him saying the U.S. will be such great buddies with Russia in his administration means that he's declaring "Peace for our time".

Aaaand speaking of conservatives who love to cry "Appeasement!":
Bill O’Reilly Draws Backlash for Comments on ‘Well Fed’ Slaves

Addressing Michelle Obama’s remarks about slaves having built the White House, Bill O’Reilly said Tuesday on his Fox News program that those slaves were “well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government.”
posted by XMLicious at 10:41 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


I don't give a shit what Trump knows about Russia, if he can see it from his house, or whatever else. The question here is what Russia's interests and investments in Trump are.

I don't know. It's probably worth investigating his fairly open act of sedition, along with all the other dirt.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 10:41 AM on July 27, 2016


> his fairly open act of sedition

Surely this... sigh
posted by RedOrGreen at 10:45 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


The Manchurian Reprobate
posted by leotrotsky at 10:47 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


(Because let's be clear - if Obama had done anything comparable, Republicans in Congress would start impeachment proceedings so fast, your head would spin. And if Hillary were to appeal for help from a foreign power - when she's legally forbidden from doing that even with a domestic PAC - this election would be *over*.)
posted by RedOrGreen at 10:47 AM on July 27, 2016 [26 favorites]


When will we start seeing polls from this week?

The weekend. But polls in July and August are less predictive than polls in April and May. State-level polls haven't really begun, because that involves spending money on polls -- NC, which is considered a 50/50 state, hasn't been polled since mid-July. National polls and 'battleground' polls just add noise. Nate Silver's enjoying the traffic, but his 'nowcast' is a distraction because the election isn't now. Fear is paralysis. Donate. Organise. Get people registered.
posted by holgate at 10:48 AM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


I would think the hardest thing for Hillary in any debates would not be handling Trump's "attacks." It would be controlling her facial expressions every time Trump says something completely insane so the press doesn't run with calling her condescending, disrespectful, not taking it seriously, etc.
posted by misskaz at 10:49 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


those slaves were “well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government"
Why yes, Mr. O, I'm sure they had it all. Except the choice to not be building that house or any monetary compensation for their labor.
posted by xyzzy at 10:49 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


The one tiny amusement of Trump has been revealing who in the Republican ecosphere has at least some shreds of principle or foundational beliefs (a few of them), and those that are pure lapdog or powerseekers or just spineless (most of them). Sometimes it's a surprise -- I would not have picked out Erick son of Erick as one of the 'has actual beliefs he cares more about than power' ones.
posted by tavella at 10:49 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Like, I would be looking directly into the camera and making Ben Wyatt from Parks and Rec faces or mouthing "what the fuck" approximately every 2 minutes.
posted by misskaz at 10:50 AM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]


(Oh who am I kidding, downs martini, jumps out window)

You forgot the WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

danger zone!
posted by Talez at 10:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Like if you have already picked up the thread of a situation, they'll help you "complete the sentence," so to speak.

[SCENE: BRIEFING ROOM]

me: i have a question
agent: go ahead ma'am
me: please complete this sentence
me: aliens are -
agent: uh
me: ALIENS ARE REA-
agent: aliens are real
me: *screams*
agent: -ly cool
posted by poffin boffin at 10:53 AM on July 27, 2016 [45 favorites]


Gallup offers a mixed bag for anyone looking for reassuring numbers after the RNC last week. As they conclude, the RNC basically solidified pre-existing attitudes. But I found this part interesting:

The self-reported net impact of the GOP convention was also negative. Overall, 51% of Americans say the convention made them less likely to vote for Trump, while 36% said it made them more likely to vote for him. This is the highest "less likely to vote" percentage for a candidate in the 15 times Gallup has asked this question after a convention. The previous "less likely" high was 38% after both conventions in 2012, and after the GOP conventions in 2004 and 2008.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 10:53 AM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


The one tiny amusement of Trump has been revealing who in the Republican ecosphere has at least some shreds of principle or foundational beliefs (a few of them), and those that are pure lapdog or powerseekers or just spineless (most of them). Sometimes it's a surprise -- I would not have picked out Erick son of Erick as one of the 'has actual beliefs he cares more about than power' ones.

I think you're right that we can paint the pols who have become Trump toadies as spineless powerseekers, but those who have refused aren't always doing so out of you know, principles and morals and shit. They're doing so because they're making a different gamble: that Trump will lose and they'll be there to pick up the pieces of the national party. It's really a tough choice: if Trump loses, you still have to strive and you have to deal with a disaster of a party, if Trump wins, you're dead in the party, and maybe even dead in real life if he gets real power.
posted by dis_integration at 10:53 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


When will we start seeing polls from this week? Does the convention really seem to not be helping Clinton's numbers?

Chill, and don't look at the polls until next week, after the convention. Don't pay attention to individual polls, just composite polls.

The New York Times' Upshot has winning scenarios for each candidate: Clinton currently has 902 ways to win; Trump has 111. If Clinton wins Pennsylvania that changes to 495:13. If she wins Ohio it changes to 490:21. If she wins both, she wins in all scenarios.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:54 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Like, I would be looking directly into the camera and making Ben Wyatt from Parks and Rec faces or mouthing "what the fuck" approximately every 2 minutes.


Fortunately, Hillary is Leslie Knope.
posted by maxsparber at 10:55 AM on July 27, 2016 [23 favorites]




I just don't understand how the Republicans are getting through this. An in law sent me an email FWD claiming the DNC had NO AMERICAN FLAGS. So unpatriotic, so untrue. And now their guy literally advocates treason and crickets? I guess I shouldn't be surprised, these people are insane. What I do think is it's time to start treating then as such? Like can we take the gloves off and just stop pandering to people who obviously are not serious at all about anything they claim to be? Sorry, I just honestly don't get it with Trump. How does he still have so much support?!
posted by cell divide at 10:56 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


i feel like the o'keefe problem could be solved with one of those snow crash punitive forehead tattoos
posted by poffin boffin at 10:57 AM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


Props to Senator Sander's former press secretary, Symone D Sanders, who just issued a series of tweets saying "yes, we're all disappointed, but nobody stole the election from us."
posted by pocketfullofrye at 10:57 AM on July 27, 2016 [13 favorites]


They're doing so because they're making a different gamble: that Trump will lose and they'll be there to pick up the pieces of the national party. It's really a tough choice: if Trump loses, you still have to strive and you have to deal with a disaster of a party, if Trump wins, you're dead in the party, and maybe even dead in real life if he gets real power.

Um, I suspect some Republicans actually do have principles and beliefs, even if they do at times vary wildly from my own. In any case, rejection of Trump is one of those things that's so important that the underlying reasons almost don't matter. Good on you Lindsay Graham, Mitt Romney, Erick Erickson, George Will, Jeff Flake, Ben Sasse, Bill Kristol, Liz Mair, Glenn Beck, and all the others. Your politics suck, but hey, at least you're not a fascist toadie!
posted by leotrotsky at 10:57 AM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


Anyone remember how at the beginning of All the President's Men Nixon stares directly into the camera and orders Cuba to break into DNC offices, and the movie is five minutes long
posted by theodolite at 10:58 AM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


This thread is moving too fast for me, so I don't know if anyone has posted this, but the DNC is getting higher ratings than the RNC did. So apparently some people are watching.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 10:58 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


How does he still have so much support?!

From my brief glances at the Facebook posts of friends with conservative relatives? They think the media is exaggerating or just plan fabricating most of the negative stuff about Trump. I don't know how you fix that problem.
posted by showbiz_liz at 10:58 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


So, FYI, James O'Keefe has been pretending to be a Hillary supporter in media interviews
@robbysoave: When you slowly realize the Hillary guy giving interviews at the Bernie rally is actually conservative James O'Keefe

‏@robbysoave I tried to warn the @USATODAY reporter interviewing him, but she thought I was crazy. All the Bernie Bros trying to hug me didn't help

@ndiblasio (Natalie DiBlasio Verified account): @robbysoave haha, I believed you! And didn't file it. Majorly glad you flagged it for me - and that he gave his real name.
NICE!
posted by zarq at 11:02 AM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


I think you're right that we can paint the pols who have become Trump toadies as spineless powerseekers, but those who have refused aren't always doing so out of you know, principles and morals and shit. They're doing so because they're making a different gamble: that Trump will lose and they'll be there to pick up the pieces of the national party. It's really a tough choice: if Trump loses, you still have to strive and you have to deal with a disaster of a party, if Trump wins, you're dead in the party, and maybe even dead in real life if he gets real power.

I'm including most of them in the spineless group, the ones who haven't supported him but also have stayed quiet. I'm thinking of people who have actually spoken against Trump directly. They still might be making calculations, but it's a safer calculation to just stay quiet than outright oppose. Which suggests a certain amount of principle when you do.
posted by tavella at 11:03 AM on July 27, 2016


They're doing so because they're making a different gamble: that Trump will lose and they'll be there to pick up the pieces of the national party.

It seems pretty clear to me that many Republican politicians think he's going to lose. No major players running for office attended the convention, and no heavy hitters attended except for Ryan and McConnell. People running for office are either keeping quiet about him or explicitly opposing him. He had to pick mayonnaise sandwich on Wonder bread Mike Pence as a running mate.

Meanwhile, it seems clear that many Democrats think Clinton will win. The sitting vice president and president are speaking at the convention. Democratic politicians are openly and enthusiastically campaigning for her. She picked Tim Kaine (also mayo-on-Wonder) from a sizable bench of up-and-comers.
posted by kirkaracha at 11:04 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


They think the media is exaggerating or just plan fabricating most of the negative stuff about Trump. I don't know how you fix that problem.

Ayup. When half the country absolutely refuses to believe facts, you've got a problem. You can show them any number of fact-checks of Trump's speeches, and the response will be "MSM lies".
posted by Gaz Errant at 11:04 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


She picked Tim Kaine (also mayo-on-Wonder)

No! No, I won't have it.

Tim Kaine is good turkey with jack cheese on a nice crusty roll.

Maybe you aren't gonna Instagram that sandwich, but it's a goddamn decent lunch.
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:07 AM on July 27, 2016 [83 favorites]


Tim Kaine is more like a stack of buttermilk pancakes than miracle whip on wonderbread. Plain, yeah, but wholesome and endearing in a way that miracle whip on wonderbread in no way is.
posted by stolyarova at 11:07 AM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


with or without real maple syrup?
posted by entropicamericana at 11:08 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary Clinton’s husband wore a fetching pantsuit to honor her nomination for US president.
Tuesday night (July 26), Bill Clinton, the husband of presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, took the stage at the Democratic National Convention to honor his wife’s historic achievement. Bill’s stately-but-approachable appearance and middle-of-the-road fashion choices make him a terrific candidate for the supporting role of first spouse of the United States. (He was also the 42nd president of the United States.)

He may lack current first lady Michelle Obama’s upper arm strength, but he makes up for it with a nice head of hair.
I drew some glares in the campus library when I literally LOLed at this.
posted by dersins at 11:09 AM on July 27, 2016 [70 favorites]


Let's not make this about Vermont again.
posted by cortex at 11:09 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


With syrup, but there's bacon on the side and some people are unhappy about that (mostly vegetarians who would otherwise love pancakes but now they're tainted even after you send the bacon back to the kitchen).

The bacon is TPP.
posted by stolyarova at 11:10 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh boy. Just how many kinds of food are there that can stand in for a relatively unremarkable WASP pol? I think maybe he's like a Subway veggie footlong on white bread with the doritos in the sandwhich.
posted by dis_integration at 11:10 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


with or without real maple syrup?

Well, probably with honey and some crushed up peanuts, but that's pretty good on a flapjack too.
posted by maxsparber at 11:10 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


And of course Trump is a ham sandwich rolled in Cheeto dust. But wait, it tastes weird. You open it up to discover that somebody has smeared some expensive but not very good Russian caviar inside
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:12 AM on July 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


(sorry, wasc, not wasp)
posted by dis_integration at 11:12 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Guys there will now be three straight months of the entire party focused on pummeling Trump. This is just the beginning. He's gonna get crushed.
posted by schadenfrau at 11:14 AM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Mike Pence is wonderbread/mayo, with a few glass shards mixed into the mayo. Served with a large pitcher of ice-cold fuming nitric acid.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 11:14 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


They have some really good food in Richmond, Virginia! I'd say Tim Kaine is roast chicken with mashed potatoes and braised brussel sprouts with a local craft-beer.
posted by maggiemaggie at 11:14 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


AAARrrrgh I now have close extended family posting shit on FB like "Victoria Woodhull was the first female candidate" from Christians for Trump. I do not know how to deal with this, as I'm depressed and disgusted but really don't want to start a fight.
posted by Gaz Errant at 11:15 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


John Oliver and some friends wrote a song. You should listen to it.
posted by anastasiav at 11:17 AM on July 27, 2016


I do not know how to deal with this, as I'm depressed and disgusted but really don't want to start a fight.

Unfollow!
To unfollow someone, go to their profile, hover over Following and then scroll down to select Unfollow. Friends won't know if you've chosen to unfollow them.
posted by Celsius1414 at 11:17 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


DNC, after only two days, is beating RNC.
posted by SillyShepherd at 11:18 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


They have some really good food in Richmond, Virginia! I'd say Tim Kaine is roast chicken with mashed potatoes and braised brussel sprouts with a local craft-beer.

What? He's definitely some form of plato típico.
posted by Talez at 11:18 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


John Oliver and some friends wrote a song. You should listen to it.

Yeah there are some pretty fundamental misunderstandings about how copyright and music licensing work in his song. It's not always completely wrong, sometimes there are licensing issues with songs used in political events, and artists are free to disapprove of uses whether they are licensed or not, but a properly licensed cover band doesn't need the artist's permission, even if they play it at a fascist political convention.
posted by zachlipton at 11:20 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


In some weird twist of fate, my racist Trump-voting tea party uncle commented on a pro-Hillary essay I wrote on Facebook, and it wasn't bad! He just said he admired my passion but he couldn't vote for Clinton.
posted by misskaz at 11:21 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is anyone working on a post for 3:30pm today?
posted by everybody had matching towels at 11:21 AM on July 27, 2016


Donald Trump negotiating tactics:

1: Signal to other party that you'll give them everything they want.
2: ????
3: Bankruptcy!
posted by Existential Dread at 11:21 AM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Is Trump the only Republican who is involved in un-American activities with Russia? Is it possible other Republicans are also secretly on the Russian payroll? Perhaps Congress could investigate.
posted by cell divide at 11:22 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


It's mind-boggling that the guy who demanded funerary services for aborted or miscarried fetuses "irrespective of gestational age or duration of pregnancy" is so LESS bonkers than the actual presidential candidate that as potential VP he can be described as a) mayo-on-Wonder bread (and thus b) pretty much like the dem VP candidate).
posted by taz at 11:23 AM on July 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Is anyone working on a post for 3:30pm today?

No one has specifically contacted us about it, so it's up in the air. If someone wants to call dibs and let us know, we'll plan for that; otherwise I'll just keep an eye on the front page in that interval.
posted by cortex at 11:25 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


To unfollow someone, go to their profile, hover over Following and then scroll down to select Unfollow. Friends won't know if you've chosen to unfollow them.

This is probably what I should have done.

Instead, I posted this: "As I've recently said, I'm trying to stop having political fights on Facebook. It does nothing but stress me out. If you're still supporting Trump at this point (where he just literally encouraged a foreign power to hack HRC) there is nothing I or anyone else can do to convince you of the danger he represents to this country and, indeed, the world. So I'm done. From this point on I will be blocking anyone who posts pro-Trump propaganda or anything from a pro-Trump site. I'll likely go back at the end of the year and unblock people, but I cannot continue to see Trump in my FB feed.

And please don't talk to me about echo chambers. I don't come to FB for news, I have other sources for that. Trust that I pay attention to what both sides are saying. Sadly, one side seems to have completely left facts behind."
posted by Gaz Errant at 11:25 AM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


zachlipton, there was some discussion of that, and while the house band would be covered by the standard venue license, that doesn't mean that they would necessarily have the rights to *broadcast* the songs for that same flat fee. TV rights are a different and sometimes vastly more expensive thing, I gather.
posted by tavella at 11:26 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


If anyone is making a new post, please consider including a link to the Hillary Fight Song video, 'cause that thing was awesome. :)

Celebs included: Aisha Tyler, Alan Cumming, America Ferrera, Ben Platt, Billy Porter, Chrissie Fit, Connie Britton, Elizabeth Banks, Ellen Greene, Esther Dean, Eva Longoria, Garrett Clayton, Hana Mae Lee, Ian Somerholder, Idina Menzel, Jaime King, Jane Fonda, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, John Michael Higgens, Josh Lucas, Julie Bowen, Kathy Najimy, Kelly Jackle, Kristin Chenoweth, Mandy Moore, Mary McCormack, Mary-Louise Parker, Mike Thompkins, Nikki Read, Rachel Platten, Renee Fleming, Rob Reiner, Shelley Regner, Sia and TR Knight.
posted by zarq at 11:26 AM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Is anyone working on a post for 3:30pm today?

yes but my post is about the mitzvah tank
posted by poffin boffin at 11:27 AM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


And of course Trump is a ham sandwich rolled in Cheeto dust. But wait, it tastes weird. You open it up to discover that somebody has smeared some expensive but not very good Russian caviar inside

and that caviar is actually baby bunny poop
posted by phearlez at 11:27 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is anyone working on a post for 3:30pm today?

I was hoping to do something with finally a reference to It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
posted by Talez at 11:29 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


If anyone is making a new post, please consider including a link to the Hillary Fight Song video, 'cause that thing was awesome. :)


Thank God Rob "Meathead" Reiner is on there to counteract the classic sitcom character vote that Chachi seemed to have sewn up for Trump.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:29 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


And now their guy literally advocates treason and crickets?

Well I can see what you have against treason but what did crickets ever do to you?
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 11:30 AM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


The Baby Bunny strikes!
Baby Bunny is using POLONIUM UMBRELLA.
You die.
posted by Artw at 11:30 AM on July 27, 2016 [12 favorites]


Okay, messaged the mods and gotten the okay for today's post.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 11:32 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hillary Fight Song video

Color me impressed.
posted by Gaz Errant at 11:32 AM on July 27, 2016


Is anyone working on a post for 3:30pm today?

Whoever does today's post (thank you in advance!), please please include a link to Gavelgate day 2, featuring the anguished shouts of delegates yelling "gavel!" and giving us this meme-worthy image of Marcia Fudge throwing up her arms.

I'd also humbly suggest "It must be nice to have Obama on your side" as a post title.

Sidenote: the DNC is apparently translating the whole convention into Spanish for their YouTube account, which is cool.
posted by zachlipton at 11:32 AM on July 27, 2016 [17 favorites]


Sidenote: the DNC is apparently translating the whole convention into Spanish for their YouTube account, which is cool.

I just found out the DNC also has an official Roku channel streaming in both Spanish and English.
posted by galvanized unicorn at 11:36 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


They have some really good food in Richmond, Virginia! Tim Kaine is roast chicken with mashed potatoes and braised brussel sprouts with a local craft-beer.

He was born in Minnesota -- in St. Paul -- and raised in Kansas City, for chrissakes. In his soul, the guy is probably corn (from a can) and some kind of beef, probably a cheaper cut cooked as a roast. Maybe a white bread roll on the side with margarine.
posted by wenestvedt at 11:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yes, cell divide, what a terrible witch hunt the democrats are responsible for. That's clearly what's happening here.

Huh? I just think if there are un-American activities going on, the public has a right to know.
posted by cell divide at 11:38 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Every time I watch that fight song video I laugh and cry at the same time. It is altogether delightful.
posted by Deoridhe at 11:39 AM on July 27, 2016


I just think if there are un-American activities going on, the public has a right to know.

Well, you can't get much more public than a press conference.
posted by octobersurprise at 11:40 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


I got you, cell divide. Thank you for the chuckle!
posted by stolyarova at 11:40 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I mean assuming you were satirizing the House Un-American Activities Committee.
posted by stolyarova at 11:40 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yes, sorry I thought it was obvious. Maybe I'm just old. And not funny.
posted by cell divide at 11:42 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Please laugh.
posted by stolyarova at 11:42 AM on July 27, 2016 [30 favorites]




Well I can see what you have against treason but what did crickets ever do to you?

how am i supposed to not make an exodus joke now
posted by poffin boffin at 11:44 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


North Korea says Trump isn't screwy at all, a wise choice for president (Reuters)

What if it's a double bluff?????
posted by Artw at 11:46 AM on July 27, 2016


Take it from Cher: NEVER IN MY WILDEST IMAGINATION DID I THINK ID HEAR AN AMERICAN,ASK A HOSTILE GOV 2DECLARE CYBOR WAR AGAINST OUR COUNTRY [flag emoji] #BENEDICTTRUMP

(And reading that, now I'm wishing that Cher had covered Asia's "Wildest Dreams." "Insanity has found its way to TV screens," natch.)
posted by octobersurprise at 11:47 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


This thread is moving too fast for me, so I don't know if anyone has posted this, but the DNC is getting higher ratings than the RNC did. So apparently some people are watching.

I saw the ratings, and I was kind of shocked. I thought the RNC would get more just because people wanted to see what crazy thing Trump would do or say (or in hopes that a contested convention broke out). I'm really curious how the last day will compare.
posted by drezdn at 11:47 AM on July 27, 2016


BENEDICTTRUMP

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a nickname winner.
posted by dersins at 11:49 AM on July 27, 2016 [16 favorites]


For everyone upthread who was like WHO PRODUCED THIS MAGICAL EVENT?!, the CEO of the convention is
Reverend Leah D. Daughtry was born and raised in Brooklyn, a constituent of Shirley Chisholm, the first African America woman to run for President of the U.S., and Daughtry credits growing up in "Miss C's" district with helping inspire her own political work. A 1984 graduate of Dartmouth and an ordained minister in the Pentecostal tradition, Daughtry pastors the House of the Lord Church in Washington, D.C. She's managed a brutal commute up and down the East Coast while planning the convention, leading her church, and meeting with the campaigns of the Democratic candidates. But she's been here before: She was also the CEO of the 2008 convention in Denver when President Obama was nominated.
Go Big Green!
posted by rtha at 11:49 AM on July 27, 2016 [26 favorites]


Cortex, I have a post ready to go and pull the trigger at 3:30pm.
posted by Talez at 11:51 AM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just found out the DNC also has an official Roku channel streaming in both Spanish and English.

Is Tim Kaine doing the live translation for the Spanish feed?
posted by tobascodagama at 11:51 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Take it from Cher: NEVER IN MY WILDEST IMAGINATION DID I THINK ID HEAR AN AMERICAN,ASK A HOSTILE GOV 2DECLARE CYBOR WAR AGAINST OUR COUNTRY [flag emoji] #BENEDICTTRUMP

Oh man, her whole feed now is her losing her mind about Trump's Treason. It's pretty glorious. So many 🚽's.
posted by dis_integration at 11:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


He was born in Minnesota -- in St. Paul -- and raised in Kansas City, for chrissakes. In his soul, the guy is probably corn (from a can) and some kind of beef, probably a cheaper cut cooked as a roast. Maybe a white bread roll on the side with margarine.

BBQ with a side of tater tot hot dish, and bars for dessert.
posted by strange chain at 11:52 AM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Cortex, I have a post ready to go and pull the trigger at 3:30pm.

See above, looks like everybody had matching towels is already dibs-up on it.
posted by cortex at 11:53 AM on July 27, 2016


But I was above them. :'(
posted by Talez at 11:55 AM on July 27, 2016


In the Spirit of Unity you could combine! ^____^
posted by Deoridhe at 11:55 AM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


I submit that the question of who should post the next thread be settled by a pun-off.
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 11:55 AM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


this is so amazing:
Russians Leak Emails‼️Putin Hates NATO‼️🚽Trump Hates NATO‼️🚽Trump Has Russian Investments🤔WHY NO🚽TAX RETURNS⁉️IS 🚽 "MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE"⁉️
posted by dis_integration at 11:56 AM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


Dad Jokes at 10 paces.
posted by mrzarquon at 11:57 AM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


In the Spirit of Unity you could combine! ^____^

You're right. In the interest of unity I nominate everybody had matching towels to do the post by acclimation.
posted by Talez at 11:57 AM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


who cares, you can do it talez, it's not a big deal, just make sure you include zachlipton's gavel links
posted by everybody had matching towels at 11:57 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Aw, heck, it was not clear to me that that was "I'm going to construct a post" rather than "I'm going to make a joke about post titles".

The simplest solution here is for me to just say, hey, I already talked it out with ehmt so we'll stick with that. So I'm gonna stick with that, though of course you two are welcome to pull a Wonder Twins or otherwise work it out if y'all feel inclined.
posted by cortex at 11:58 AM on July 27, 2016


Every time I watch that fight song video I laugh and cry at the same time. It is altogether delightful.

I sat with my daughter this morning and showed her the video. I started explaining that there "there are a lot of celebrities that you probably won't recognize and-" and she said, "Oh, that's Tanner."

"Who?"

Apparently Garret Clayton was in the Disney Teen Beach movies. She also recognized Jesse Tyler Ferguson ("Daddy he's on Broadway") from Carpool Karaoke. And Rachel Platten and Idina Menzel.
posted by zarq at 11:59 AM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think you should submit the post titles to a floor vote and choose the poster on that basis
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:59 AM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Is Tim Kaine doing the live translation for the Spanish feed?

Hopefully it's not Henry Blanco.
posted by drezdn at 12:00 PM on July 27, 2016


just do it, talez, I do not care. I don't have a particular urge to make a post, just wanted to make sure there was something ready to go because this one is getting unwieldy.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 12:01 PM on July 27, 2016


So I only have this tweet and pic to go on, so I'm not totally sure but apparently conservative fraudster James O'Keefe is in Philly disguised as a Hillary supporter to give interviews to reporters?

"When you slowly realize the Hillary guy giving interviews at the Bernie rally is actually conservative James O'Keefe"
posted by dnash at 12:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


Every time I watch that fight song video I laugh and cry at the same time. It is altogether delightful.

Having pretty much the same reaction. I've bookmarked it so I can just go back and open it up whenever I need some uplift, especially for the rest of the convention.
posted by Gaz Errant at 12:02 PM on July 27, 2016


Is Tim Kaine doing the live translation for the Spanish feed?

Hopefully it's not Henry Blanco.


Any word on whether Carlos Danger speaks spanish?
posted by dis_integration at 12:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Thank God Rob "Meathead" Reiner is on there to counteract the classic sitcom character vote that Chachi seemed to have sewn up for Trump.

I'm not saying he should be a speaker. But they are doing all these short video clips to fill in time and can't find room for Democrat Henry Winkler?
posted by Gary at 12:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


just do it, talez, I do not care. I don't have a particular urge to make a post, just wanted to make sure there was something ready to go because this one is getting unwieldy.

K. I'll hit post at 3:30 then and we'll all go on our merry way.
posted by Talez at 12:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


THE FLOOR RECONNOITERS MEFITE TALEZ

*forgets to bang gavel*

*remembers to bang gavel*

not sure if I did that right
posted by cortex at 12:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [25 favorites]


Did the RNC have a Spanish translation? And if so, did they use a native or fluent speaker or was it more of a Peggy Hill situation?
posted by downtohisturtles at 12:03 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


*forgets to bang gavel*

DAMMIT.
posted by wenestvedt at 12:03 PM on July 27, 2016


What's James O'Keefe's end game? Does anyone know what he's been saying?
posted by cooker girl at 12:03 PM on July 27, 2016


How much worse can this thing get?!

Here you go:

LA Times/USC General Election Poll 07/26 - Trump 47, Clinton 40 (Trump +7) n=2112

Hope this helps.
posted by Justinian at 12:04 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


> *remembers to bang gavel*

Hey, leave that story to Chuck Tingle
posted by mrzarquon at 12:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


this is so amazing

This is my favorite:

Yes,👶Destroying NATO Will Make Daddy Very Happy👏🏻Yes Donny,WE'll HAVE ENDLESS POWER‼️YES,BABY WE'LL BULLY THE🌎2GETHER.. WE HAVE THE CODES💣💥

Cher's pretty angry. I don't think she's been this disgusted since she divorced Sonny.
posted by octobersurprise at 12:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


>Has he already had his intelligence briefing? Because, well. It's concerning, is all.

I suggested this in another thread, but all they really have to do is stamp "Top Secret" on some press briefing materials and give them to him in an official-looking folder. He is far too stupid to tell the difference.


TBH they can just copy-paste the summary brief section thingy from The Economist every week and send it to him.

Probably should print it out on brightly colored paper for Extra Officialness.
posted by tivalasvegas at 12:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh gosh. She's going to call into c-span again isn't she?
posted by zachlipton at 12:06 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


They should just copy-paste the back cover blurb from The Passage, his next press conference would be hilarious
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:07 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


Here you go:

LA Times/USC General Election Poll 07/26 - Trump 47, Clinton 40 (Trump +7) n=2112


That's just one poll and, contrary to most other polls, it has had Trump in the lead for the past few weeks.
posted by vacapinta at 12:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Can we please take a moment to appreciate the genius of Cher to use the 🚽 as a shorthand for Trump? I don't follow her on Twitter but I check out her feed when it occurrs to me and it's always a good idea.
posted by like_neon at 12:12 PM on July 27, 2016 [15 favorites]


Interesting theory from Vox: The real reason Trump just asked Russia to get Clinton’s emails tl;dr: he can't stand the news coverage not focussing on him.
posted by Hactar at 12:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


O'Keefe's has confirmed on Twitter that he was, at least, in Philly and dressed up as a Clinton supporter

Bumbling bilker baits Bernie Bros badly?
posted by Existential Dread at 12:14 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Cher's twitter feed has been incredible for a long time but it just keeps getting better somehow. Proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
posted by mostly vowels at 12:19 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Someone far above talked about her (him? them?) suddenly becoming aware of their internalized sexism and having that be overwhelming (I'm paraphrasing). I feel like I took an enormous step forward in my progressiveness when I acknowledge I had a lot of internalized privilege of all sorts and I should just work from the base assumption I'll have knee-jerk responses along those lines (racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-gay, ableist, classist, etc...) so that I can examine them more closely and dismantle internalized prejudice. It took a lot of the heat out of other people pointing out when I was wrong, too, which meant I could improve faster and be closer to who I wish I could be. The step beyond that was reading critique of anyone and doing a quick check to see if it was something I do. At this point it's become fairly easy. I don't get called out nearly as much as I probably should be, but I have a lot of perspectives to help me see my blindspots and minimize how much I use my privilege against other people while maximizing using it for other people.

In the spirit of this: while I am thrilled at the first female, major party candidate, what really has me emotional for the first time about the Democratic Party specifically is the amount of inclusion not just among the degalates but outright on the stage and in the promotional videos and everything. Black Lives Matter on the DNC STAGE, y'all. I know at the same time BLM members and others were being arrested at a protest of a Democratic Governer - I get there is a long way to go - but this is ages from holding Martin Luther King Jr. up as flawless (easy when you ignore 50% of what he says) while pretending police violence doesn't exist. The latter was the Democratic Party of even a short time ago; the former was last night. They specifically set up the podium so that it would work for everyone who got on that stage, no matter how high up their face was! They had people with disabilities making sure the convention was accessable! Native American Representatives!!!

There is a high chance that not all of the talk will be walked, but saying it is getting us a lot closer to walking the walk of inclusion and the value of everyone. And we have the protesters, the objectors, those who speak out against the Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders and a lot of his supporters, etc... to thank for this. Keep up the good work! You are really making a difference and it means a lot.
posted by Deoridhe at 12:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [21 favorites]


tl;dr: he can't stand the news coverage not focussing on him.

Absolutely. I've spent far too much time around narcissists and I submit that Trump's motivating force isn't to be president, it's to have as much attention as possible. He finds it deeply satisfying (as much as a narcissist can be satisfied) to have as much air time as possible to talk about himself.

I sincerely wish someone had loved him as a child.
posted by mcduff at 12:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [20 favorites]


Can we please take a moment to appreciate the genius of Cher to use the 🚽 as a shorthand for Trump?

Is there a tampon emoji we can use for Pence? We should honor his deep compassion for all the world's menstrual ejecta.
posted by palmcorder_yajna at 12:21 PM on July 27, 2016 [8 favorites]


Like, I would be looking directly into the camera and making Ben Wyatt from Parks and Rec faces or mouthing "what the fuck" approximately every 2 minutes.

um, yeah, Hillary's debate prep time should be about 95% studying this page.

I would go gay for Adam Scott if I weren't already gay
posted by tivalasvegas at 12:24 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


I sincerely wish someone had loved him as a child.

That seems like quite the cross to bear
posted by piyushnz at 12:26 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Any word on whether Carlos Danger speaks spanish?

No, for that you have to go to his distant cousin Carlos Peligroso.
posted by phearlez at 12:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [5 favorites]


Is there a tampon emoji we can use for Pence? We should honor his deep compassion for all the world's menstrual ejecta.

🎤 gets close, or perhaps 📏 with some sort of string...

hmm! ➰📏
posted by Existential Dread at 12:30 PM on July 27, 2016 [14 favorites]


LA Times/USC General Election Poll 07/26 - Trump 47, Clinton 40 (Trump +7) n=2112

enh, most meta-analyses still have Clinton ahead. Not that the recent trend isn't worrying, but outlier polls gonna outlier.
posted by en forme de poire at 12:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


New Thread.
posted by Talez at 12:31 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


he can't stand the news coverage not focussing on him.

I don't think it's a strategy so much as the outward manifestation of a severe personality disorder: two days, lower TV ratings, get antsy, say something crazy. The spirit of 2016 (and modern reality TV): Everything is trolling.

I'll add this: some of the sentiment during a summer of noisy polling and race tightening reminds me of a friend's line on technology change that I'll repurpose here. It's as if you're being pursued by a killer snail. "The snail, the snail! What shall we do?" And after a day spent discussing what to do, you look back and the snail has moved a few inches towards you and you freak out some more. The snail will only catch you if you let it.
posted by holgate at 12:32 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I feel like strippers, waitresses, and bartenders should be Hillary's expert guides to keeping one's face in order when listening to some gross guy's gross and bad opinions.

Because Hillary's debate face will be endlessly, maddeningly dissected if it moves beyond bland pleasantness.
posted by palindromic at 12:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


The more I learn the actual facts about Hillary Clinton, the more I realize that painting her as anti-progressive is just wrong.

For example, with regard to the minimum wage, I just found out out that as a senator Hillary Clinton introduced the Standing with Minimum Wage Earners Act of 2007 which called to raise the minimum wage from $5.85 to $9.50 and would “automatically increase the percentage of the minimum wage by the percentage that the annual rate of pay for Members of Congress increased for such year”

And back in 1999 at a White House event she said this "“America can afford to raise the minimum wage. The last time it was raised in 1996, 10 million Americans got a raise and the economy continued to create jobs at an unprecedented pace. Now raising the minimum wage is certainly an American issue and a human issue, but it is particularly a woman’s issue. It is also a children’s issue and a family issue. So I would hope that every member of Congress—the next time they visit a parent in a nursing home, sit down in a restaurant for a meal, see someone cleaning their office, or know what goes on in so many other settings where people work hard every day—would want every American to share in this kind of prosperity, and would want to raise the minimum wage"
posted by pocketfullofrye at 12:33 PM on July 27, 2016 [39 favorites]


New Thread.
posted by Talez at 2:31 PM on July 27


Hang on though wasn't it supposed to be at 3:30

oh wait

time zones how do they work
posted by tivalasvegas at 12:39 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


And now the media is mostly focusing on Trump's latest brain fart rather than last night's convention. Well played, Trump, well played.
posted by homunculus at 12:39 PM on July 27, 2016


@jbarro last night: "This speech is a reminder that, before people called Hillary a centrist squish sellout, they called her a highly ideological left-winger."
posted by glhaynes at 12:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Because Hillary's debate face will be endlessly, maddeningly dissected if it moves beyond bland pleasantness.

But this already happened with Benghazi. Literally everything has been thrown at this woman. That's why I'm skeptical when people say that some other woman would have a better chance or be better at this. This is the only one who has already taken everyone's fire.
posted by zutalors! at 12:40 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


LA Times/USC General Election Poll 07/26 - Trump 47, Clinton 40 (Trump +7) n=2112

If it makes you feel any better, the figures are both within the margin of uncertainty.
posted by aught at 12:40 PM on July 27, 2016


Talez: "New Thread."

bellkeeper! toll the bell!
posted by boo_radley at 12:46 PM on July 27, 2016


I can't believe I listen to the NPR politics podcast. "Hillary Clinton as a changemaker? She's like so status quo"
posted by zutalors! at 12:46 PM on July 27, 2016


I just had a delightful idea...

What if a Hillary Clinton presidency is the ultimate Democratic lame duck presidency? I mean, this is something she has wanted her whole life. Does she really want to be in the White House for two terms? I know she needs to keep the party looking good for everyone else running for election, but I would love to see TPP done away with. Citizen's United overturned. Universal Health Care.

I loved hearing about her listening and consensus-building skills, but there's a big part of me that imagines Hillary as LBJ, cantankerous but pushing through her own agenda. The Clintons are rich as fuck, they don't need the money.
posted by frecklefaerie at 12:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


The more I learn the actual facts about Hillary Clinton, the more I realize that painting her as anti-progressive is just wrong.

The thing about Hillary Clinton is that, for all that I often disagree with her specific policies, I can at least feel like we share the same values. She's someone I believe can be worked with and pushed in a progressive direction, as much as she's traditionally listened to centrist establishment types. So much of this primary season -- and this convention -- have been about showing her growth and willingness to listen to non-establishment voices from her left. It's very heartening.
posted by tobascodagama at 12:48 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


If it makes you feel any better, the figures are both within the margin of uncertainty.

Also within the margin of bullshit.
posted by Celsius1414 at 12:51 PM on July 27, 2016


Guys, five of the last six polls have put Trump ahead. He got a convention bounce. One expects Clinton to as well in a few days so we'll know more then but let's not bury our heads in the sand here.
posted by Justinian at 12:53 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


Not panicking != putting your head in the sand:
How many polls should you average together? Our model is focused on a long-term trend. As much as a third of the national average is made up of polls that are more than two weeks old. History suggests that, before the conventions are finished, you’re better off focusing on a two-month average than a two-week average.

While the past four election polls may have shown Mr. Trump in the lead, our model has not seen enough evidence to assign him the lead just yet — it still shows Mrs. Clinton up by 2.3 points. (Contrast this with the Times’s unadjusted polling average, which currently shows Mrs. Clinton up by 0.3 points.)
via
posted by en forme de poire at 12:59 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Here you go:

LA Times/USC General Election Poll 07/26 - Trump 47, Clinton 40 (Trump +7) n=2112

Hope this helps.
posted by Justinian at 2:04 PM on July 27


Guys, five of the last six polls have put Trump ahead. He got a convention bounce. One expects Clinton to as well in a few days so we'll know more then but let's not bury our heads in the sand here.
posted by Justinian at 2:53 PM on July 27


I like that we're witnessing the realtime struggle between lizard brain panic! and reasoned human cognition in the collected comments of Justinian...
posted by tivalasvegas at 1:02 PM on July 27, 2016 [10 favorites]


pretty much. Trump today called for a rival foreign power to commit espionage against his opponent to help him politically. And yet he's not polling at 10%. How can this be.
posted by Justinian at 1:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [11 favorites]


Well, nobody has run a poll since Trump officially committed Treason. It will take a while for it to sink in. But if this is going to be the practice for the rest of his campaign, he should be under 40% and carrying 5 states before the first scheduled debate. And after that? Remember the "27% insane voters" stat? He'll end up under that.

But still, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND VOTE AND GET ALL YOUR SANE FRIENDS/RELATIVES TO DO SO TOO.
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:11 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump today called for a rival foreign power to commit espionage against his opponent to help him politically. And yet he's not polling at 10%. How can this be.

People still root for the Pats. IDK
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 1:14 PM on July 27, 2016


Like I said to my daughter the other day: it's the racism, same as here.
posted by mumimor at 1:16 PM on July 27, 2016


Maybe my favorite part of the Trump press conference today was this line: "I have great foreign advisers. And you have a list. And I gave you a list. And the other day, as an example, General Quinn and General Flynn, and we have so many -- we have so many."

This Gen. Quinn doesn't seem to exist.
posted by peeedro at 1:25 PM on July 27, 2016 [4 favorites]


it's General Flynn with a fake mustache I bet
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [9 favorites]


Gen. Quinn, aka The Mighty Quinn.
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:30 PM on July 27, 2016


What if a Hillary Clinton presidency is the ultimate Democratic lame duck presidency? I mean, this is something she has wanted her whole life. Does she really want to be in the White House for two terms?

Get this one won first. (FWIW, I think one-and-done has a case to be made for it, given the impact of the 2020 state-level elections on redistricting, but yeah, get this one in the bank.)
posted by holgate at 1:35 PM on July 27, 2016


tobascodagama: So much of this primary season -- and this convention -- have been about showing her growth and willingness to listen to non-establishment voices from her left. It's very heartening.

She's very good at listening. I guess what I'm still afraid of is that she'll keep being good at listening, as she always has, and unless she makes a special effort to primarily listen to little people her ears will soon be filled, again, with the dulcet and reasonable tones of the wealthy and powerful, the kind and generous and well-intentioned people who donate to the Clinton foundation and attend Davos meetings.
posted by clawsoon at 1:36 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Re my Rachel Maddow and msnbc comment; it wasnt really just why she said, although her focus on how it was icky for a man to use the word "girl", while not noticing that he also referred to himself as a "boy" was an absurd thing to bring up with everyone she spoke to, but the sneering and disgusted look, like someone left dog poop on her desk. And the constant parade of conservatives doing their best to throw dirt on anything pretty or pleasant or sweet. It's what I would expect from Fox. To be fair, it is probably irrational to expect to see left facing corporate media.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 2:27 PM on July 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


This Gen. Quinn doesn't seem to exist.

Trump in a silly hat with a stick on moustache.
posted by Artw at 2:32 PM on July 27, 2016


Re my Rachel Maddow and msnbc comment;

My comment wasn't about the comment at all, I didn't see it, I just think their coverage has been awful.
posted by bongo_x at 2:40 PM on July 27, 2016


This Gen. Quinn doesn't seem to exist.

I think he is John Baron's next door neighbor. Oh who am I kidding? I know General Quinn is Captain Crunch's cousin.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:41 PM on July 27, 2016


Anybody else wondering if it's Kaine playing harmonica in this In Memoriam video? I mean I'm sure it isn't, but I'm still wondering.
posted by cashman at 2:44 PM on July 27, 2016


New thread
posted by dfan at 2:49 PM on July 27, 2016 [2 favorites]


ok in my headcanon General Quinn and Meredith are having a secret tryst. The Expanded Trumpiverse gets more exciting every day
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:05 PM on July 27, 2016 [6 favorites]




What a speech by Obama. 8 years and hasn't lost ONE step.
posted by sfts2 at 8:13 PM on July 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


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