Jeb put me through hell
January 30, 2015 9:13 AM   Subscribe

Politico writes about the Terry Schiavo case and how it helps us understand Jeb Bush's mindset.
posted by Lemurrhea (55 comments total) 22 users marked this as a favorite
 
Charles Pierce recently posted an excerpt from his 2009 book on the subject. The situation was even worse than I thought at the time.
posted by Gelatin at 9:17 AM on January 30, 2015 [7 favorites]


This is pretty much exactly why some people want him to run in the first place. They want that style of "leadership".
posted by aramaic at 9:21 AM on January 30, 2015 [2 favorites]


I think I would replace "Jeb Bush's mindset" with "GOP leadership," since there really weren't a lot of republicans speaking up and saying Terry had a right to a dignified death.

If I remember this correctly her autopsy showed she'd basically been dead for the whole time she was being "kept alive."

Time to update your advanced directives and hope some vindictive bastards don't decide you really wanted something else because of reasons and God.
posted by cjorgensen at 9:21 AM on January 30, 2015 [3 favorites]


I thought that government shouldn't be interfering in peoples' medical decisions and lives and oh yeah the sanctity of marriage.
posted by rtha at 9:27 AM on January 30, 2015 [22 favorites]


Big Government Conservatism.

No other word for it.
posted by Pogo_Fuzzybutt at 9:36 AM on January 30, 2015 [2 favorites]


A president can do whatever they want.

Unless they're Barack Obama, of course.
posted by tommasz at 9:42 AM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Many people wanted Washington to be the first king of America.

The Bushes have all seemed to want the crown too.
posted by bonehead at 9:44 AM on January 30, 2015 [3 favorites]


“He may be wrong about something, but he knows what he believes.”
That was said by a Florida Republican. I think he may have meant it as a compliment. I don't understand some people.
posted by benito.strauss at 9:50 AM on January 30, 2015 [12 favorites]


...and oh yeah the sanctity of marriage.

One of my favorite headlines from the 2012 US election cycle was

"Newt Gingrich discusses the sanctity of marriage"

No idea how short that was.
posted by Wordshore at 10:05 AM on January 30, 2015 [2 favorites]


"The Jebbest thing Jeb’s ever done"

If this doesn't become a meme for every dumb ass thing done or said by a Republican candidate in the 2016 election I'm going to be very disappointed in the Internet.
posted by COD at 10:09 AM on January 30, 2015 [7 favorites]


Most of us will read this article as negative toward Jeb Bush, but I think the earlier part of the article, which depicts Jeb as this morally tortured, conscientious guy responding to emails from the "people" (although the only "people" he seems to respond to are religious rightists), is actually going to make Bush look good, at least to the people who count in Republican primaries. It's only until page 5 out of the 6-page article, where you get a sense of Jeb's vindictiveness in pursuing a case against Michael Schiavo after Terri Schiavo died. Jeb is just like his brother George in insisting on favoring "resoluteness" over correcting yourself from a wrong course of action, but I fear he could do more damage, because Jeb is probably smarter.
posted by jonp72 at 10:14 AM on January 30, 2015 [16 favorites]


It's like, how much more Jeb could this possibly be? The answer is none. None more Jeb.
posted by poffin boffin at 10:14 AM on January 30, 2015 [39 favorites]


It's only until page 5 out of the 6-page article, where you get a sense of Jeb's vindictiveness...

His supporters believe their God destroyed billions of lives in a great flood out of vindictiveness, so I'm not sure believers will really see that as a negative.
posted by COD at 10:18 AM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


The emails poured in. Some chided him. More praised him.
...
“I cannot violate a court order,” Bush told CNN on March 27.

People in his email inbox continued to plead with him to do exactly that.


This is the problem.

I keep thinking of George Wallace, who (from what I've read) wasn't all that racist, but only did what his constituents wanted.

He just sounds like a big wimpy chump to me. Like his brother.
posted by Melismata at 10:19 AM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


I was coming here to say what jonp72 said.

My recollection of the time was that popular opinion was really against any Federal intervention, and it had a significant effect on George Bush's decline in popularity. The article makes it sound like Jeb was just doing what the people wanted. I was surprised that it wasn't until page 6 that it was noted that popular opinion was actually against him.

Part of my nightmare of that time was being told that people were clamoring for things (like the Iraq war) that they weren't really clamoring for. 'We can't help it, it's just what people want.'

I don't want to see that come again.
posted by maggiemaggie at 10:24 AM on January 30, 2015 [11 favorites]


The Bushes have all seemed to want the crown too.

Memories are short enough that Jeb may get a decent shot at it, too.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 10:25 AM on January 30, 2015


I fear a Jeb presidency more than a W presidency, and that is saying a FUCKLOAD
posted by mcstayinskool at 10:30 AM on January 30, 2015 [12 favorites]


I wonder how Jeb Bush's conversion to Catholicism will be a factor. I wonder if it might be an Achilles heel for him, when you consider that there are still some pockets of anti-Catholicism among the Protestant sectors of the Religious Right.
posted by jonp72 at 10:32 AM on January 30, 2015


Nah, he'll just convert back, flip-flopping almost as much as his buddy Mitt Romney.
posted by Melismata at 10:34 AM on January 30, 2015


That was said by a Florida Republican. I think he may have meant it as a compliment. I don't understand some people.

Exactly--it's: "He's probably wrong, but at least he's belligerent about it." Some people say basically that as if it's a good thing.
posted by saulgoodman at 10:35 AM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


I fear a Jeb presidency more than a W presidency, and that is saying a FUCKLOAD

The punch of the piece really comes at the end, when Jeb Bush uses his elected office to pursue a vendetta against Michael Schiavo well after Terri's death. I'd say something is really wrong with our royal family, but we and the Supreme Court keep electing these gangsters.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 10:36 AM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


I remember when a Bush screwed everything up, and we elected a democrat, who fixed it. And then we elected another Bush, who fucked it all up again, and we elected another democrat to fix it. Are we seriously at risk of a third cycle of this?

How is this country such an idiot farm that the Dems couldn't just run an ad that says "Are you fucking kidding me?"
posted by rifflesby at 10:45 AM on January 30, 2015 [47 favorites]


The case showed he “will pursue whatever he thinks is right, virtually forever,” said Aubrey Jewett, a political science professor at the University of Central Florida. “It’s a theme of Jeb’s governorship: He really pushed executive power to the limits.”

As long as you share his principles, that's a good thing.
posted by Rangi at 10:55 AM on January 30, 2015


I wonder how Jeb Bush's conversion to Catholicism will be a factor. I wonder if it might be an Achilles heel for him, when you consider that there are still some pockets of anti-Catholicism among the Protestant sectors of the Religious Right.

This is an interesting take on how the new Pope's statements and (especially) image could complicate things for the Catholic candidates on the right.
posted by sallybrown at 10:57 AM on January 30, 2015 [3 favorites]


It's weird to me that a state's top elected official emailing a constituent about how he was crying and thanking god is something that a good portion of the US would consider as making him more rather than less Presidential.
posted by poffin boffin at 10:59 AM on January 30, 2015 [8 favorites]


I had wondered about the possibility of any changes of heart or regrets in those who chose to spite the medical and judicial consensus and use the Schiavo case for political ends. Their commitment to vilifying a man for wanting peace for his wife was disturbing at the time. The persistence of this is horrifying when it is now clear they were factually wrong (note to self: Don't go to Dr. Bill Frist for diagnosis).
posted by neutralmojo at 11:01 AM on January 30, 2015


Reading a recent New Yorker profile of Jeb Bush, it seems his whole charter schools program was just a way to enable real estate companies to operate the schools (essentially as REITs) while taking a profit. Bizarre stuff, and very Florida I guess.
posted by Nevin at 11:02 AM on January 30, 2015 [7 favorites]


We really should be aware that this was posted on Politico. There is nothing they do that isn't connected to the horse-race part of the political process, and what people seem to be concentrating on there is the jockeying for position for the 2016 Republican nomination.

So, setting aside the pain inflicted on the Schiavos (I know, that's horrible, and I'm sorry.), why did Politico post this now? I see two possibilities: either they're trying to knock Jeb out of the race, or, more cynically, they're just getting it out there early, so later on when people bring up the Schiavo incident they can point back at this piece and say "We've already covered that." I tend towards the second explanation, and I predict that we will start to see a lot more pro-Jeb articles in Politico over the next few weeks and months.
posted by benito.strauss at 11:03 AM on January 30, 2015 [3 favorites]


It was precisely this case that prompted my late wife and I to discuss end-of-life wishes, even though we were only in our early 30's. Neither of us wanted to be trapped in the position that Michael and Terri Schiavo found themselves in, swirling in the vortex of hate and righteous fervor by attention-grubbing assholes who put their "beliefs" above a person's own wishes. Little did we know that just a few short years later, I'd be forced to tell the paramedics to not perform any heroic measures to try to save Katie's life. It would have been futile, anyway; they tried intubating and her airway was so obstructed by the tumor that they couldn't; she was brain-dead (and dead dead) even before the paramedics arrived.

If you haven't had this conversation with your loved ones, do it now. Yes, it'll be awkward and maybe even painful, but do it anyway. If you can, put it in a will or a advanced medical care directive (very inexpensive to create at legalzoom, btw; not an advertisement, just a happy customer). Katie and I did NOT have a will or AMD or anything created. I had only my vivid memory of her telling me, "I do not want to be another Terri Schiavo. Pull the plug."

I didn't have to pull any plug (fortunately?), but I can sleep at night knowing that when asked by the paramedics what to do when Katie stopped breathing, I gave them the answer that my wife wanted.
posted by mrbarrett.com at 11:07 AM on January 30, 2015 [71 favorites]


It should be incredibly chilling that Jeb decided that the very concept of equally important branches of government was something to be overturned because the branch that was in charge of what he couldn't touch made a decision he didn't like. Imagine him with a Republican Congress. It's horrific, really.
posted by xingcat at 11:07 AM on January 30, 2015 [7 favorites]


Thank you for that perspective, mrbarrett.com. It must be tough to post that, but it is much appreciated.
posted by feste at 11:10 AM on January 30, 2015 [5 favorites]


President Bush flew on Air Force One from vacation in Crawford, Texas, back to Washington to sign [the bill in Congress] into law just after 1 in the morning.

Now that's an emergency that deserves interrupting your vacation and rushing back to Washington. Getting a memo that says Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US, not so much. Stay on vacation and go fishin'.
posted by kirkaracha at 11:11 AM on January 30, 2015 [12 favorites]


THE PRESIDENT IS NOT A KING

THE PRESIDENT IS NOT AN EMPEROR

THE PRESIDENT IS NOT A DICTATOR

*Jeb elected*

DISREGARD PREVIOUS TRANSMISSIONS
posted by delfin at 11:21 AM on January 30, 2015 [3 favorites]


I wonder how Jeb Bush's conversion to Catholicism will be a factor. I wonder if it might be an Achilles heel for him, when you consider that there are still some pockets of anti-Catholicism among the Protestant sectors of the Religious Right.

Would not at all be an issue in the general, he would still be better than Hillary to those pockets. In the primary I don't think it would matter either, they did just nominate a Mormon and they face similar disapproval from some protestants.
posted by Drinky Die at 11:21 AM on January 30, 2015


they did just nominate a Mormon and they face similar disapproval from some protestants.

And now I'm wondering if they'll say "wow, we better not make that mistake again," seeing as how he was defeated by a black man with a funny name.
posted by Melismata at 11:24 AM on January 30, 2015


I was scanning the front page too fast, so I read "Jeb Bush's mindset" as "Jeb's mind's bullshit"
posted by jason_steakums at 11:31 AM on January 30, 2015 [3 favorites]


They are going to say, "Let's not make that mistake again," because of his last name, not because of his religion.
posted by Drinky Die at 11:32 AM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


"President Bush flew on Air Force One from vacation in Crawford, Texas, back to Washington to sign [the bill in Congress] into law just after 1 in the morning."

Now that's an emergency that deserves interrupting your vacation and rushing back to Washington.


He could have just signed the bill in Crawford and gone fishing, but wanted to make a show of rushing to Washington.
posted by JackFlash at 11:56 AM on January 30, 2015 [2 favorites]


Well now that Jeb has payed off/convinced Romney not to run, it looks likely (not assured) to be Bush vs Clinton afuckingain.

:(

all the bickering back and forth about H Clinton I think she'd make an ok president, def some problems but the same problems any candidate that reaches that level is likely going to have. I kind of hope if she did get the nod Julian Castro would be on her ticket as #2.
posted by edgeways at 1:12 PM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


I would just like to use this forum to express how much I loathe Jeb Bush.

I don't want this man anywhere near the White House. Not even to feed Bo and Sunny.
posted by Ruthless Bunny at 1:27 PM on January 30, 2015


Well now that Jeb has payed off/convinced Romney not to run

Is this a thing?

Also I can't decide if this is good news or bad news. Jeb is more obviously loopy, but I think Mitt would carry the stank of "you've tried how many times now?"
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 1:30 PM on January 30, 2015


A thing? I don't know what the gestalt is about it... but just a casual look at the timeline make it an easy concision (perhaps false!) to jump to.

>Mitt Romney 2014: No No No no no no no
>Romney 2015 after Jeb already declared his intentions: Weeeell actual yes I am interested in running again
>GOP 2015: OMFG NO! Jeb is already the establishment preference you'll just be a distraction and suck donor money from some people who might support Jeb. (note - this is not verbatim but is what a lot of high level Republicans where saying both publicly and, presumably, privately)
>Last week: Mitt and Jeb* hold a private meeting together
>Mitt this week: Ok never-mind I'm actually not interested after all.

Now -- personally I think Mitt wants to run. I think he does want to be president. So I think he was talked into it, and possibly was offered either a running spot or a cabinet position to NOT FUCK THIS UP FOR JEB ALREADY!!! But, that's just my opinion.

*Mitt and Jeb sounds like a prep school version of Mutt and Jeff. So so close.
posted by edgeways at 2:47 PM on January 30, 2015 [2 favorites]


If this is the most damning thing they can come up with against Jeb Bush, this is going to be an interesting presidential run.
posted by corb at 4:58 PM on January 30, 2015


If this is the most damning thing they can come up with against Jeb Bush, this is going to be an interesting presidential run.

Well, there's the fact his brother ignored a credible threat against the US that resulted in 3000 people dead, then blamed a country that had nothing to do with it and started an unnecessary war that resulted in hundred of thousands dead, and wrapped things up by overseeing the biggest collapse in the US economy since the Great Depression. So it seems to me that "he's that idiot's brother" is even more damning than "capriciously interfered with a personal medical decision." Unless Jeb wants to do a big speech renouncing W and all his decisions, which I don't see happening.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 5:52 PM on January 30, 2015 [5 favorites]


If this is the most damning thing they can come up with against Jeb Bush, this is going to be an interesting presidential run.

Don't worry, I'm sure he has said/will say something abhorrent about rape.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 5:56 PM on January 30, 2015


...wrapped things up by overseeing the biggest collapse in the US economy since the Great Depression...

I could produce any number of people who will tell you that the economy was doing just fine up through Inaugaration Day in January 2009 when President Obama pulled the "Tank the Economy" lever as soon as he walked into the Oval Offfice. These people will vote in 2016 and it scares me to think of who they might want to vote for. I think they would find Jeb very appealing.
posted by coldhotel at 7:22 PM on January 30, 2015 [3 favorites]


Unless Jeb wants to do a big speech renouncing W and all his decisions, which I don't see happening.

I wouldn't count that out as a possibility.
posted by corb at 8:35 PM on January 30, 2015


I would. There are just waaaaaaay too many Republican primary voters who think W was just swell and moar Bush is just what this country needs. IOW, I'm seconding coldhotel's comment just above.
posted by soundguy99 at 9:36 PM on January 30, 2015


I could produce any number of people who will tell you that the economy was doing just fine up through Inaugaration Day in January 2009

Wild guess, same ones who spoke at length about McCain 'suspending' his campaign because of the economy?
posted by feckless fecal fear mongering at 9:40 PM on January 30, 2015 [1 favorite]


Jeb is not going to disown W.
The Bush family is really really tight knit ... for fracks sake even Bill Clinton hangs with them -alot- and is actually called "The brother from another mother" by the Bush boys.

No idea what they think of H Clinton though.
posted by edgeways at 8:37 AM on January 31, 2015


Good article in today's Boston Globe on what a twit Jeb was in school.
posted by Melismata at 9:46 AM on January 31, 2015


If this is the most damning thing they can come up with against Jeb Bush, this is going to be an interesting presidential run.

It's plenty damning all by itself.
posted by Gelatin at 6:44 AM on February 1, 2015 [1 favorite]


If Americans can't see the risk in electing a guy who brazenly abused his authority as governor to personally stalk and harrass a prrivate citizen in the midst of a painful private medical crisis to appease a mob and score some short term political points, then there's not going to be much use in trying to reason with the public at all because it should be obvious to anyone why such a presidency is a terrible idea.
posted by saulgoodman at 8:46 AM on February 1, 2015 [6 favorites]


After thinking and looking at polls the D 2016 campaign platform should be: Global Warming (50% of even Republicans think it is real and should be addressed), Minimum wage increase, public health, nationwide marriage equality.
There are other very important things to add, but all of those have a majority of support amount the population, but are toxic for many Republicans. Hammer them home.
posted by edgeways at 10:01 AM on February 2, 2015 [2 favorites]


Social media and web stuff may be a bit problem for The Big J...
posted by Wordshore at 1:52 PM on February 3, 2015


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