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October 9, 2016 5:37 PM   Subscribe

With just a month to go until the election (and after a Trumpian pre-debate shitshow) Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump face off again in the second presidential debate at Washington University in St. Louis at 9PM Eastern Time. Print out your Bingo cards and tune into any major network (Channel 4 in the UK) or listen on NPR. Alternately, watch on one of YouTube's channels (NBC, PBS, Fox News, the Washington Post). Twitter will stream Bloomberg. Facebook has ABC and PBS. C-SPAN has its own feed (C-SPAN Radio is also streaming.) You can even watch in virtual reality (Gear, Rift, or Vive) via AltspaceVR.

CNN's Anderson Cooper and ABC's Martha Raddatz will be moderating. This debate is different from the others, using a Town Hall format where questions will be posed both from undecided voters selected by the Gallup organization and, for the first time, from the internet. The next and final presidential debate, on Oct. 19th, will be in the traditional format.

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posted by ChurchHatesTucker (4192 comments total) 85 users marked this as a favorite
 
this could be the darkest day our country has had since 9/11
posted by pyramid termite at 5:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


i've got my ancient looted pot ready for any last minute sacrifices
posted by poffin boffin at 5:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [31 favorites]


@alivitali

Tonight in unprompted texts from GOP sources: "Godspeed." #debates
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:39 PM on October 9, 2016


In an unprecedented move, Donald Trump will tonight be replaced with an animatronic version of himself controlled collaboratively via Twitch.
posted by indubitable at 5:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]




I just want to tell you all good luck; we're all counting on you.
posted by mattdidthat at 5:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [39 favorites]


[A]phasic patients are better able to tell when someone is lying, fearful, or hiding something. ... I was curious: How might aphasic patients interpret the body language of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump—particularly during the presidential debate? What kinds of language did they pick up on, and what did they think the takeaway messages of the debate were?
How aphasic patients understood the [first Clinton/Trump] presidential debate
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 5:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [31 favorites]


I'm about to vomit.
posted by The Noble Goofy Elk at 5:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm scared. Somebody hug me
posted by Red Loop at 5:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


Guys I'm in the car somewhere on I-71 S, north of Columbus, OH (my husband is driving) so we will be counting on you to do a good job reporting when we inevitably lose NPR signal.
posted by cooker girl at 5:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Just donated again. It's all I can do.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm eating now so I don't puke barf everywhere.
posted by vrakatar at 5:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Last week I was suddenly very sick right before the veep debate. Throat was very swollen, painful. Hard to sleep. But I got better!

Last night, my whole body started aching. Throat is OK. Just, tired. Tired and drippy and sad. And everything hurts and my brain isn't working right.

I hope I get better.

I hope this election season wraps up very soon.
posted by rebent at 5:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Katy Tur, Sopan Deb, Ali Vitali, David Fahrenthold, and Jenna Johnson all deserve medals for their absolutely incredibly Trump trailing through the campaign.
posted by Talez at 5:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


"Keepin' it 1600 Live" currently talking before the debate.
posted by lazugod at 5:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


The people in the audience tonight have no idea what they've gotten themselves into.
posted by guiseroom at 5:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I HAVE RESTOCKED THE SRIRACHA PEAS

although given that I'm alone, maybe I should just leave them in the pantry in case Trump proclaims himself the greatest defender of women that America has ever seen or something
posted by indubitable at 5:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Comic relief for anyone who needs it after Trump's grotesque stunt.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


This will be gross as fuck but She's Got This!
posted by vuron at 5:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is the only opportunity I've ever had to get in early on an election thread.

So, um, AMERICA PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't vote for the Orange Troll.

That's all I got. Thank you for your time.
posted by awfurby at 5:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Fuck yeah. We are ready for this. #debateprep
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Getting out the bottle of Balvenie 15
posted by Ber at 5:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


I said this at the tail end of the other thread but it's a shame there's no way to pull the plug on this when we can all see how destructive Trump is willing to be.
posted by gerryblog at 5:41 PM on October 9, 2016


(should the (excellent) title have [Election 2016] in it to help keep things neat?)
posted by TwoStride at 5:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


well, I didn't watch any of the last Olympics either ...
posted by philip-random at 5:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm so scared.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Splendid title. Godspeed, everyone.
posted by FelliniBlank at 5:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


All I can think about right now is how no one who associated with Trump should be allowed to scrub that stench off of them for their future careers, whatever those end up looking like. That shame needs to follow them to their goddamn graves.
posted by erratic meatsack at 5:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [32 favorites]


I'd just like to say thank you, to both the mods, and the mefites that post these threads.
posted by valkane at 5:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [28 favorites]


I am supposed to be cooking dinner and instead I'm glued. This is going to be an insane trainwreck and I don't know who the explosion is going to get on.
posted by corb at 5:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think the stunt may very well go down in electoral history as the Cheap Shot Heard 'Round The World.

Trump is a professional entertainer. Spectacle is his bag, baby. But Hillary is a professional politician, and this is politics.

As (IIRC) Sparklemotion said in one of the recent threads -- The pig is coming to wallow in the mud, but the butcher has other ideas.
posted by tclark at 5:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [39 favorites]


Comic relief for anyone who needs it after Trump's grotesque stunt.

I was only able to bear 10 seconds of that.
posted by dis_integration at 5:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


The people in the audience tonight have no idea what they've gotten themselves into.
Wow. I didn't even think of that. Do you think they have any idea what's going on? Are you allowed to bring your cell phone to a presidential debate?
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE UNDECIDED PEOPLE? How is UNDECIDED even possible?
posted by fluffy battle kitten at 5:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [53 favorites]


I'm so so SO glad I have Metafilter and you all right now.

Thank you.
posted by Salieri at 5:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


To be honest, I'm very worried. A complete shit show.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]




I'm looking forward to this debate so much, I'm not even drinking.
posted by Gelatin at 5:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Tequila shots every time Trump says "Okay!?" at the end of sentence.
posted by Liquidwolf at 5:43 PM on October 9, 2016


morituri te salutant, everyone. I couldn't deal with the trash fire we are about to witness without you guys. You guys and alcohol. Good luck.
posted by Justinian at 5:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Glad the Raiders didn't have the Sunday night game this week, I can actually catch one of the debates!
posted by clorox at 5:43 PM on October 9, 2016


Warming up with some wine. Because I'm super classy tonight.

Still not ruling out tequila.

I hope Hills beats the snot out of the talking yam and quotes the bible while she's at it.
posted by zennie at 5:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Some words are best not spoken, some things are best not said
But since this is your public execution I think I'm gonna go right on ahead"
posted by pyramid termite at 5:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I just keep reminding myself that in all likelihood she will be president and he will slip deeper and deeper into shameful obscurity until his ignoble death. And this is just a blip.
posted by vverse23 at 5:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Flashback: Donald Trump called Bill Clinton's Accusers Terrible and Unattractive [real, abcnews]

Everyone is running with that right now. Trump's 1998 remarks juxtapose so nicely.
posted by Talez at 5:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


posted by fluffy battle kitten WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE UNDECIDED PEOPLE? How is UNDECIDED even possible?

I'll let you know when I've reached a decision.
posted by mattdidthat at 5:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


i just saw someone take a photo with their phone so they must know what happened
posted by sio42 at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016


We're all going to be fine. Tomorrow morning Michelle and Barack, Chelsea and James Carville and Jennifer Granville and David Corn and every A+ surrogate is going to have a beautifully crafted message and Donald will lose more supporters.
posted by Sophie1 at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


I actually think it's quite sweet that one of the commissioners took a moment to acknowledge the sound and lighting guys who were testing all the mikes and setting everything up - not only because it's wise to address the "is Trump's mike working" thing, but also because she's showing techies some love woo
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [44 favorites]


So what circle of hell is reserved for those demagogues that would exploit the suffering of others for their own benefit?

Not that I think this will benefit Trump but holy shit is he building up a karmic debt of massive proportions.
posted by vuron at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I normally don't watch reality tv but I'll make an exception for this
posted by localhuman at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ex Bush 43 spokeswoman Nicolle Wallace on MSNBC: "This is what's happening in the Republican Party... This is the bottom dropping out... This is what it looks like."
posted by tonycpsu at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


In case anyone missed it, here's Charles Pierce's most recent piece:

America Has Been Waiting for Donald Trump: He is not an aberration. He is the culmination.
posted by homunculus at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


(should the (excellent) title have [Election 2016] in it to help keep things neat?)

NO.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


The amount of humiliation I want this man to suffer does me no credit as a human being.
posted by bibliowench at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [87 favorites]


Any advice on what's the best/most stable/least filled with annoying commentary stream?
posted by medusa at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016


i haven't watched more than about 45 seconds of trump speaking so far. i'm getting kind of scared.
posted by sio42 at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's a complete shit-show that the Clinton camp knew might very well be coming, and she's typically been really cool under pressure. And Donald can't handle a real debate. All she needs to do is roll her eyes, say it's clearly a desperate ploy and that she respects the office and the process enough to ignore it, and then do her thing while he yells. He can't answer actual questions.

But she will probably be happy to get a question about her fucking emails, which makes for an interesting change.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:45 PM on October 9, 2016


Hugh Hewitt thinks there will be a shitload of further desertions tomorrow, possibly even Ryan, after how he expects this to go tonight.
posted by chris24 at 5:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh, there will be booing
posted by angrybear at 5:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Overheard: A reporter in St. Louis saying: "Trump is using these women as human shields."

HOOOOOOOOOLY. This is backfiring so hard.
posted by Talez at 5:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [66 favorites]


Anderson Cooper and Martha Raddatz backstage right now working out who gets to shout "FIINIISH HIIM!!" tonight.
posted by EatTheWeak at 5:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE UNDECIDED PEOPLE? How is UNDECIDED even possible?
If you're "undecided" by now you shouldn't get to vote.
posted by Liquidwolf at 5:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


I have no alcohol. Drinking and driving (at some point I will be taking a driving turn) is generally discouraged.

I do have some Good & Plenty, though.
posted by cooker girl at 5:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'll recap at the head of this what I alluded to in the last thread. I'm fucking furious at Trump's latest stunt, and I'm rage donating again. However, I'm going to donate to the PEC High Impact Races fund administered by ActBlue. Barring the unseen, I think Hillary winning is a done deal at this point, and what I want to do is now put money on the down-ticket races that can help take over the Senate, too.

The Republicans are in disorder and and it's only going to worsen as the month goes on and Donnie continues to flame out. This is a great time to take the opening and exploit it.

That's what I plan on doing, anyway. I'd suggest you think about it, too.
posted by jammer at 5:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Does anyone have a link to actual printable bingo cards? The ones linked in the FPP are not set up for printing
posted by clorox at 5:46 PM on October 9, 2016


mefites are the only ones i want to be with watching this debate
posted by 404 Not Found at 5:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [23 favorites]


Esta Nevada, Donner Party. Winter is Coming.
posted by effluvia at 5:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


What could possibly go wrong?
Oh right...western civilization.
posted by uosuaq at 5:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Really wish I had a way to donate to her campaign. Sadly, I'm Canadian. I really don't want this walking dumpster fire to be the President. It's not just your country that suffers, it's the world. Good luck people, my prayers are with you all.
posted by Fizz at 5:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


I have a mug of spiced rum, twitter on my phone and this thread on the iPad. Locked and loaded!
posted by jazon at 5:47 PM on October 9, 2016


How could that press conference possibly be a winning strategy?

I can't bear to watch, but I'll be here with you guys tonight. She's got this.
posted by Otherwise at 5:47 PM on October 9, 2016


MetaFilter User 242391, please pick up the white courtesy phone!
posted by mattdidthat at 5:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Bad news: I'm on vicodin because of broken ribs so I can't drink.

Good news: I'm on vicodin.
posted by chris24 at 5:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [63 favorites]


The amount of humiliation I want this man to suffer does me no credit as a human being.

i mean yes of course humiliation but definitely also a genetically engineered species of furious indestructible hornets that are uncontrollably attracted to his butt
posted by poffin boffin at 5:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [50 favorites]


Has a nominee ever self-immolated on live TV?
posted by orange ball at 5:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I HAVE RESTOCKED THE SRIRACHA PEAS


What is this sorcery and how am I just learning of it?
posted by 4ster at 5:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


wait, so they just asked people to not use their phones. it is likely no one here knows about the "debate prep" thing?
posted by sio42 at 5:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


sio42, every second of Trump speaking is much like every other second. His markov chains only go about 5 words deep.
posted by joeyh at 5:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


On the Washington Post live stream, they seem to be implying that the Clinton transcripts are horrible and would have sunk her but Trump is just that much worse. I disagree with their comments but it's just so silly hearing media even now try to make a horse race.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Myself and Mrs. Fleebnork have checked out of a lot of political stuff in recent weeks, but we have Cheetos and popcorn at the ready. Here's to hoping Trump has an epic meltdown during tonight's debate.
posted by Fleebnork at 5:48 PM on October 9, 2016


I have a feeling this will be the day I run out of favorites.
posted by ogooglebar at 5:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's 02:48 and I have no snacks or drank but I am committed
posted by Foci for Analysis at 5:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


I think the stunt may very well go down in electoral history as the Cheap Shot Heard 'Round The World.

At some point the media & politicians will have to reckon with whether or not Trump just undermined the next president (hell, even if he somehow won just for the sake of argument) with foreign leaders.

Except I'm pretty sure even our worst enemies abroad haven't brought up shit like this. I know I haven't heard of it.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 5:49 PM on October 9, 2016



So yeah. After tonight I'm pretty much over the suggestion that I need to try to understand where Trump supporters are coming from. I've always been pretty compassionate and trying to put myself in other shoes type person, sometimes too much so but that part of me when it comes to support for this man has been completely and utterly shredded. I'm also at the point where I just don't care that I don't care.

Deplorable is hindsight is the perfect word for this pile of shit.
posted by Jalliah at 5:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [32 favorites]


Just saw a shot of Clinton walking in with Chelsea's arm around her. I'm tearing up.
posted by zachlipton at 5:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [24 favorites]


Could we please, please not refer to people who are voting for people we dislike as stupid or ignorant or any variant of that?

These are citizens who are born with basically the same hardware we are. They disagree with us for reasons that they may understand better than we do, or that we understand differently.

If you are worried for the future of this Democracy, if you want to do _something_, start figuring out how to figure out how to communicate with them. If it seems impossible, think some more.

If you feel like fight or flight, maybe solving problems with your brain -- in whatever way you can -- is the fight.

Of course, venting is important too. Just, don't only vent :)
posted by amtho at 5:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [36 favorites]



Anderson Cooper and Martha Raddatz backstage right now working out who gets to shout "FIINIISH HIIM!!" tonight.


The other one gets to lean in and say "toasty!"
posted by Ragged Richard at 5:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


[Folks, we're NOT having the "please think of Trump supporters" argument again here and now.]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 5:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [53 favorites]


Sadly, I'm Canadian.

Hey, nobody's perfect.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 5:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Uh oh, Hillary had her arm around Chelsea and vice versa as they exited the cars and headed up the stairs. CLEARLY she's too frail to even walk out there on her own. Sad.
posted by splen at 5:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


I had a big glass of the wine that was thoughtfully left behind by a party guest last night, and also a huge bowl of pumpkin pie ice cream. I'm as ready for this as I'll ever be.
posted by PearlRose at 5:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


@davidfrum
4b) A wronged wife’s power to forgive or not forgive is near absolute. Nobody except ultra-partisans will blame whichever choice she makes
posted by chris24 at 5:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Here are the top 5 questions on presidentialopenquestions.com, voted on by people on the internet. The moderators said they would consider the top questions for inclusion tonight.
(1) How will you ensure the 2nd amendment is protected?
(2) Would you support requiring criminal background checks for all gun sales?
(3) Do you support expanding, and not cutting, Social Security's modest benefits?
(4) As president, What are the steps you will take to address climate change?
(5) Would you act to repeal citizens united?
Running a close 6th: "Would you support term limits for members of Congress and the Supreme Court?"
posted by cashman at 5:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Someone in my pool put $5 on Trump flipping the podium.
posted by mattdidthat at 5:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


What the shit is up with the media blaming HRC for the current discourse level. She'd didn't leak the damn Access Hollywood tape.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]




Any advice on what's the best/most stable/least filled with annoying commentary stream?

C-SPAN's feed has no commentary at all. I don't know if any other might be better quality.
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 5:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Okay. I have all the drugs I need to cope with this experience, I hope. Let's get it on. (Please, god, let the whiskey, two kinds of cider, four kinds of beer, and three strains of marijuana be enough. )

(I also have chips and salsa. I hope I do not throw them at the TV.)
posted by palomar at 5:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Everyone who has made these posts has done such a great job, and your titles have been perfect.
posted by gladly at 5:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm gonna watch this one on an actual TV (at least for a while) rather than online, so no commenting from me.
But thank you all for helping me through all this awful shit. I've been very well informed through this election, and I credit a lot of that to Metafilter.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 5:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is the backfire heard round the world.
posted by humanfont at 5:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE UNDECIDED PEOPLE? How is UNDECIDED even possible?

Undecided when they responded to Gallup. Not necessarily since Friday.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I have never in my life donated to a political campaign. I just sent Hillary $25 in defiance of the ratfucking stunt.
posted by tclark at 5:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


Make America Drink Again!
posted by Dr. Zira at 5:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


The bottle of Glencadam 21 y.o is open. This is history in the making.
posted by dazed_one at 5:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Sort of fascinating to watch non-political people on my twitter stream come out in support of Hillary in the past ten minutes.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


4b) A wronged wife’s power to forgive or not forgive is near absolute. Nobody except ultra-partisans will blame whichever choice she makes

Yeah, but we can sure as shit blame the asshole who's using their desperation and grief in service of gutter politics.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Everyone who has made these posts has done such a great job, and your titles have been perfect.

This one has been the working title for every debate thread. Weird how it became perfect at the last moment.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


[Several comments deleted, be warned that I will be just handing out nights off without warning from here on. Drop it.]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 5:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [54 favorites]


Doing it sober again, but this time I have guacamole!

May Trump turn a similar shade of green.
posted by mochapickle at 5:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


@jelani9
"It's odd that Trump thinks he can unsettle HRC by attacking her literally on the one thing she's most accustomed to being attacked on."
posted by chris24 at 5:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [31 favorites]


What's the over-under for # of unendorsements made during the debate?
posted by birdheist at 5:54 PM on October 9, 2016


The accusers have been seated.
posted by xyzzy at 5:54 PM on October 9, 2016




So for now I've given up on catching up with the latest election thread. Perhaps tehhund and I will run into each other there in a couple of weeks.
posted by bardophile at 5:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm terrified, but so glad to be with all y'all tonight.
posted by merriment at 5:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


I am out of favorites (around noon on the previous election thread.) Consider all Hillary-positive posts favorited.
I'll be here in spirit. Fight the good fight. Get out and vote!
posted by TrishaU at 5:56 PM on October 9, 2016


Bill Clinton shaking the hands of the Trump family. Chelsea is not with him, sitting elsewhere I guess.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Brian Williams is moaning on and on about the discourse. Said he wanted to be back in the Victorian era. Go for it Bri, they used to lobotomize habitual liars back then too.

I guess it bothers me because this isn't some issue with "mudslinging" THERE IS A NARCISSISTIC GOLD LEAF TYRANT IN THE RACE.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I won't watch it. I can't watch it. For the sake of my mental health. I'm using Metafilter and Twitter to tell me what I need to know. That the fate of the world is being decided by this is too much to comprehend.
posted by monkeymike at 5:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Stoli, T3s, and my boyfriend. My body is ready.
posted by sixswitch at 5:56 PM on October 9, 2016


@jelani9 It's odd that Trump thinks he can unsettle HRC by attacking her literally on the one thing she's most accustomed to being attacked on.

Not really. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
posted by mattdidthat at 5:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Can someone please tell me what the accuser stuff is? It's difficult for me to google right now. Trump did a Facebook live thing with them? Who, exactly? And now they're at the debate?
posted by cooker girl at 5:56 PM on October 9, 2016


ooh, hard look from bill towards the audience - very awkward
posted by pyramid termite at 5:56 PM on October 9, 2016


Sorry, Chelsea and her husband are sitting with Bill, but did not walk in with him.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:57 PM on October 9, 2016


Now I have a crushes on two reporters.

Kurt Eichenwald ‏@kurteichenwald 3m3 minutes ago
We're 10 minutes from the start of the debate. Ill be doing my best to offer running commentary on whats being said. Unless Im throwing up.
posted by Jalliah at 5:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Jitters shit: This is the moment in the movie where the underdog turns it around. While I know the movies do not always reflect reality, I'm unsure if the news media recognizes this.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:57 PM on October 9, 2016


I hope the Trump clan feels shame tonight.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Anyway Hi everyone.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:57 PM on October 9, 2016


Interesting that Bill shook hands with Melania and all of the Trump spawn, but Chelsea (and her husband) was spared having to shake hands with all of them?
posted by porpoise at 5:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Feeling simultaneously giddily excited and terrified right now.
posted by joedan at 5:57 PM on October 9, 2016




Melanie walked out with the Trump children; Bill walked out alone and is seated next to Chelsea and Marc.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 5:57 PM on October 9, 2016


I'm surprised Trump didn't bring Bill Cosby along to make himself look better.
posted by Liquidwolf at 5:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


It's times like this I wish I drank.
posted by tetsuo at 5:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Due to horrible planning I have no wine or beer and I have gin and limes but no tonic.
I'm gonna have to break out the tequila.
This never ends well, but I figure it's fitting on such a deplorable night.
posted by Superplin at 5:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bill looks PISSED.
posted by mudpuppie at 5:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Cooker girl, see the shitshow link in the post.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I love Anderson Cooper's purple tie. Neither red nor blue, but a beautiful blend of both.
posted by mattdidthat at 5:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Debate Night II: The Weirdening.
posted by uosuaq at 5:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Bill Clinton looks worn out and tired.
posted by dazed_one at 5:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can someone please tell me what the accuser stuff is? It's difficult for me to google right now. Trump did a Facebook live thing with them? Who, exactly? And now they're at the debate?

He tricked the press into coming into what they thought was him prepping. Several women who have accused Bill were sitting with him like a press conference.
Now they are in the hall.
posted by Jalliah at 5:59 PM on October 9, 2016


Bill looks PISSED.

Fuck Bill. Melania looks like she's ready to stab a bitch.
posted by Talez at 5:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [26 favorites]


I have Modelo and Red Hot Riplets. Let's do this.
posted by asockpuppet at 5:59 PM on October 9, 2016


Melania is stone-faced.
posted by lovecrafty at 5:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


This man is absolute clown meconium. I am so grateful for this live blogging space with you folks.
posted by Countess Elena at 5:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


They all look super tense
posted by Tarumba at 5:59 PM on October 9, 2016


Everyone looks tense and uncomfortable.
posted by medusa at 5:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


If you have a tv that connects to the internet, search YouTube for cspan and the live stream is there. No annoying commentary at all other than from the candidates.
posted by winna at 6:00 PM on October 9, 2016


Don't worry, tetsuo, I'm drinking enough for like four MeFites tonight. I got you covered.
posted by palomar at 6:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


I saw Bannon walking in but not Conway. Is she there with Team Trump onsite tonight?
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:00 PM on October 9, 2016


He's looked like that since he lost all that weight.
posted by INFJ at 6:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Jinx Tarumba.
posted by medusa at 6:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Welcome to The Howard Beale Show
posted by growabrain at 6:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's interesting to note that the only 2 family members that aren't showing concern and shame on their face are the two Trump boys. They just look smug.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


I've literally taken to my bed. Partly because i had to get up at 4:30 this morning to catch a plane but also partly because I'm completely out of evens and i can't watch this.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


There was just a kid from Singapore on (CSPAN), the university's student union president. He gave a brief statement about democracy spreading across the world, and then mentioned that some unfortunately leaders undermine it. What would ordinarily be a bland observation is pointed in this election.
posted by zennie at 6:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Just wanted to say good luck. We're all counting on you.
posted by zachlipton at 6:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Best off-label use of meconium I've seen, Countess.
posted by mollweide at 6:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


...To be honest, even after everything people have been saying here, and how obvious this attack has been over the past week, I'm still worried about this. I feel like Hillary's typical reaction to this sort of nonsense is to shut it down and ignore it, but on TV that's going to look like her ignoring sexual assault victims.

...Sigggghhhhh :(
posted by J.K. Seazer at 6:01 PM on October 9, 2016


Seriously! Look! Melania ready to kill the next person she sees.
posted by Talez at 6:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Got my lucky rocketship underpants, bike helmet, and bag of TastySnax! Let's Do This!
posted by petebest at 6:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm just going to sit here and be sick with worry. Can't bring myself to watch. Have this thread and another friend liveblogging.

Good luck, everyone, and thanks, MetaFilter.
posted by seyirci at 6:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ooh, C-SPAN site has a button to switch between switched-camera and split-screen feeds.
posted by box at 6:01 PM on October 9, 2016


That set is so United Federation of Planets.
posted by valkane at 6:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


I know that Chelsea Clinton has been dealing with all these attacks on her parents for has long as she can remember, but it still must suck.
posted by medusa at 6:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


Bill Clinton looks worn out and tired.

He's been putting in a lot of campaign miles this past week (on top of a trip to Israel and back with POTUS for Shimon Peres's funeral) and I think he's had hecklers at all of his events. So, yeah.
posted by holgate at 6:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


PBS is on. Red five I'm going in.
posted by vrakatar at 6:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is an extremely intimate-looking setting. Everyone looks grim as hell.
posted by winna at 6:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


@LOLGOP
The only joy in this night is knowing Paul Ryan, Reince Priebus and Mike Pence own it forever.
posted by chris24 at 6:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Can't wait for the questions from undecided voters. Given the economy, could we really afford to spend billions to rescue Matt Damon from Mars? What would your policy be for astronaut death panels?
posted by 0xFCAF at 6:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Trump's second son has a weirdly uninterested expression on his face
posted by Tarumba at 6:02 PM on October 9, 2016


The first debate was a three-beer debate for me. The second I had only one beer. This time I have a pitcher of margaritas ready.
posted by ogooglebar at 6:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm eating tacos, seemed an appropriate debate watching dinner.
posted by sweetmarie at 6:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


I tell ya gang, I'm not sure my son should be allowed to watch the debate, I'm so afraid of how it's going to go. This trumptastrophe is terrifying.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Lots of chatter among commentators on MSNBC about a flood of current Trump-supporting Rs repulsed by the pre-debate stunt and ready to withdraw support.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I drank what I thought would be enough, but now that I am here, it seems that I am unprepared.
posted by Quonab at 6:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


So Trump's big play is to have Clinton's accusers in the audience? Weak sauce.
posted by Gelatin at 6:02 PM on October 9, 2016


WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE UNDECIDED PEOPLE? How is UNDECIDED even possible?

Rip Van Winkle, just returned space travellers, etc.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [24 favorites]


do you think Trump might not even come out?
posted by rebent at 6:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Thank goodness for CSPAN in times like this.
posted by mollweide at 6:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bill Clinton and Chelsea talking like normal human beings. Trumps completely silent
posted by Tarumba at 6:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


I think we're about to see a master class tonight in threading the needle. As much a debate as audition for how she'll handle pressure.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I have a whole bottle of prosecco, Nutella and Granny Smith apples.
posted by winna at 6:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


wolf is like
i hope they dont go to the gutter
where were you wolf
this is the gutter
wait
wait
ill get james earl to say it
THIS IS CNN
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


If anybody else needs an alternative to watch to cope, can I suggest Starling and her kittens?
posted by Sequence at 6:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


Come on! Let's here it! "Ladies and Gentlemen, Donald Trump is missing!"
posted by Talez at 6:03 PM on October 9, 2016


CSPAN is quiet . . . too quiet . . . completely quiet. *checks mute button*
posted by petebest at 6:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Stay calm. Tonight is when Hilary Clinton will show why she should be president and why a bunch of Republicans are going to be marked with a Scarlet T.
posted by LastOfHisKind at 6:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


One of NBC's talking heads just described the weekend as "the worst 72 hours of Trump's campaign."

Yeah, aside from all the previous 72 hours.
posted by Gelatin at 6:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Here we go.
posted by bardophile at 6:03 PM on October 9, 2016


So what circle of hell is reserved for those demagogues that would exploit the suffering of others for their own benefit?

I don't know but my money's on False Counselors or Sowers Of Discord for Trump's reservation.
posted by thelonius at 6:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ivanka looks like she is barely able to stomach this. A thin veil of composure but very unhappy and mildly disgusted underneath.
posted by rmless at 6:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm one Loko in, three to go.
posted by peeedro at 6:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump's sons look like extras from Boiler Room.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


It's interesting to note that the only 2 family members that aren't showing concern and shame on their face are the two Trump boys. They just look smug.

Not their fault. It's Resting Trump Face.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [36 favorites]


My body is ready.
posted by notquitemaryann at 6:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Anderson Cooper is Namor Gandalf, he won't take no shit.
posted by vrakatar at 6:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I feel really bad for Melania (I know, I know) and just absolutely sick for Chelsea.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


CSPAN is quiet . . . too quiet . . . completely quiet. *checks mute button*

I did the same thing.
I'm sure there will be plenty of noise soon.
posted by Superplin at 6:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I can't watch either. This feels too much like a live remake of Ringu.
posted by holgate at 6:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


PBS table all agreeing so far that this is diastrous for Trump (Brooks: "this will backfire badly"), talking about how it's a race to the bottom, vulgar, etc.

Where can I find Ana Navarro commentary? CNN?
posted by TwoStride at 6:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ivanka looks like she is barely able to stomach this. A thin veil of composure but very unhappy and mildly disgusted underneath.

So, another Sunday night?
posted by rokusan at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's interesting to note that the only 2 family members that aren't showing concern and shame on their face are the two Trump boys. They just look smug.
Looking forward to picking up babes after the show.
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, real profiles of courage, these Republicans who are ready to withdraw their support tonight.
posted by The Card Cheat at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


No shaking of the hands??! Oh thank you.
posted by RedEmma at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [28 favorites]


Anderson Cooper is Namor Gandalf, he won't take no shit.

Thank you for naming my cat.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Didn't shake. Good start.
posted by perhapses at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


No handshake!
posted by Countess Elena at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016


Oooh no handshake
posted by bardophile at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016


No hand shaking of any kind predebate
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016


Ooooh, no handshake...
posted by jferg at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016


Thank you for not shaking his hand.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


First debate without a handshake? Has that happened before?
posted by Pater Aletheias at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Here we go
posted by ogooglebar at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016


She looks great. No handshake.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


No handshake. Good.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016


No handshake Awesome!
posted by valkane at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016


Oooh, no handshake. Not even an offer from either one.
posted by lovecrafty at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary has a HUGE smile on her face.
posted by medusa at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


WHO PUTS UNDECIDED VOTERS ON THE STAGE? THESE ARE THE DUMBEST...oh, forget it. Sorry.
posted by uosuaq at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


No handshake! 💙
posted by phunniemee at 6:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clinton looks happy, Trump looks constipated and immediately hid behind the podium. Completely defensive.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


she's looking confident and relaxed - he's looking like he just woke up from the tanning bed

no handshake?
posted by pyramid termite at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well, that's the first time I haven't seen the candidates shake hands.
posted by joedan at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's looking extra orange tonight.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


No handshake. GOOD.
posted by palomar at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump won't even make eye contact with the lady asking the first question for more than a split second... wtf
posted by emptythought at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016


Waitwhatnohandshake. The gloves are off.
posted by dazed_one at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump's tie is so long that it covers his zipper when he sits.
posted by jamaro at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


First question is about modeling appropriate behavior?!
posted by medusa at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Are the things you say in debates suitable for kids to see" [summary] is a fab opening question.
posted by FelliniBlank at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


The first question is kind of an odd softball.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ooh, no handshake. Clinton says hello to the audience.
posted by Gelatin at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016


I don't believe the poor Ivanka narrative.
posted by armacy at 6:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


For a brief moment, as they went to their stools after they came out,, I was afraid Trump was going to sit down Riker style.
posted by ZeusHumms at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Shallow filter: I wish Hillary's suit was brighter/cheerier.
posted by TwoStride at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Do you feel you are modeling good behavior for today's youth?"
posted by winna at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016


good first weaponized question targeted at trump
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


They did not shake hands when they came out. Hillary stood far enough away that it would have been awkward if Donald had reached for her.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016


The only way I can make sense of the "undecided voters" at this point is that they are just sneaky people who really wanted to get into an event, like how I used to lie at the door of clubs...
posted by rmless at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm glad they didn't fake any courtesy.
First question: Are you modeling appropriate behavior during the debates, given that many teachers ask their students to watch them for educational purposes?
posted by Superplin at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016


What a gorgeous suit she's got! It looks like something Riker would wear on Risa
posted by Greg Nog at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [27 favorites]


She's smooth, positive answer.
posted by tetsuo at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016


oh, yes, she's totally on target, totally on game
posted by pyramid termite at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016


Look at how he's breathing and grinding his jaw also, dudes geeeeeked
posted by emptythought at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm at work, my workmates are following different streams, so I got 'oh, she didn't even shake his hand' twice, a few seconds apart. Followed by a ripple of laughter.

I can't (bear to) watch this, thanks to those of you who are.
posted by Pink Frost at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016


Overcoming divisiveness. Brilliant answer.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah! nice suit Mrs. C! Blue with white lapels. Trump in the usual. Red tie.

No handshaking, "hello . . hello"s

"The last presidential debate could have been rated MA . . knowing the debates are assigned for homework, what are your thoughts"

HRC: It's important to make clear to our children that our country is great because we're good. We're going to respect one another, lift each other up, and celebrate our diversity. Bring them in to working on behalf of our country. I'm positive . . . if we overcome the divisiveness and instead make some big goals - economy for everyone, not just at the top - making sure we have the best education system, and so much else, if we set those goals, there's nothing America can do.

Looking relaxed.
posted by petebest at 6:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Who is That Guy - dude with red tie who have... bird moves? Aisle seat to Trump's right?

His name is Johnny Bird Moves. So mote it be.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


What a gorgeous suit she's got! It looks like something Riker would wear on Risa

It remains to be seen if Clinton sits like Riker.
posted by nathan_teske at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


Remember, if you have a comment that's less than five words long, it'd probably fit better in metafilter chat.
posted by fomhar at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


More shallow filter: Donald should unbutton his jacket when sitting; it's bunching weirdly.
posted by TwoStride at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016


She's getting some good lines in there, but she isn't really answering the question. But I guess that question wasn't really for her?
posted by frumiousb at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


C-SPAN feed feels like their servers are taking a much bigger hit than the first debate (stutter, compression artefacts).
posted by porpoise at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why is Trump's tie so long?
posted by moons in june at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


She is awesome.
posted by valkane at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016


Well, this was a soft-serve opening for Clinton. She's only kinda-sorta answering it, though, by pushing her "Stronger Together" motif.
posted by Superplin at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


HIS MIC WORKS
posted by sio42 at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016


I thought America WASN'T great, hence his candidacy. Ugh.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump with the change-up opener
posted by thelonius at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump trying to do soft-spoken is... creepy.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Do the undecideds have to be undecided between Trump and Clinton? Do people who are considering not voting or writing-in or a third party count? Because I feel like those people would have more interesting questions.
posted by Snarl Furillo at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


SNIFF
posted by mattdidthat at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [27 favorites]


He just said this is a great country why make it great again?
posted by vrakatar at 6:08 PM on October 9, 2016


Hillary starting strong "were good people" as usual sounding massively well prepared.

H is for Hermione :) who as a girl also punched a boy in defense of animals (only a hippogriff instead of bunnies)
posted by Tarumba at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


He's staying subdued for the opening few sentences at least.
posted by une_heure_pleine at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016


Donald is going over his greatest hits.

And sniffing , a lot.
posted by Yowser at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


donald trump's tired of foolish things happening to our country? - hey, i'm tired of this beer i'm drinking - no, i'm not ...
posted by pyramid termite at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016


Sniffles! What's the over/under on minutes until unhinged Donald appears?
posted by 0xFCAF at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump is doing a great Baldwin impression.
posted by mikelieman at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [42 favorites]


Setting a timer on how long it takes Donny to get from snooze to rage.
posted by Sara C. at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


What the fuck is he going on about? None of this has anything to do with the question.
posted by yasaman at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Uh oh Trump sniffing again
posted by Tarumba at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


They each have mics in hand, but Hillary has a nice white lapel mic but Donald doesnt seem to have one.
posted by sweetmarie at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016


First audible sniff from Trump!
posted by TwoStride at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016


I had to switch to a YouTube feed. Cspan just kept cutting
out.
posted by tingting at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016


Oh my god give Trump a tissue. With the sniffles, again.
posted by Windigo at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016


cspan is ahead of nbc youtbue feed for me
posted by sio42 at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016


Can anyone check me on the white ribbon that Clinton is wearing? Is the 'end male violence against women' ribbon campaign, or something else?
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


He can't fucking go positive!
posted by rdr at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016


The snort is back!
posted by penduluum at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


posted by moons in june Why is Trump's tie so long?

He doesn't know how to tie a tie.
posted by mattdidthat at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump is answering the question to the camera, ignoring the teacher. He appears to be having a diabetic event, and is arguably about to pass out.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait, what was the question?
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016


Sniffling again.
posted by chris24 at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016


Neither of them really answered the question, but what else were they going to do? Trump certainly isn't going to say, "Yeah, I'm a disgusting pig."
posted by Sangermaine at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Horrible things like Obamacare? The ACA is saving my sister's life.

And law and order whistle blowing. Here we go.
posted by joycehealy at 6:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


He's been hitting the horse tranquilizers.
posted by ostro at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Inconcievable!"
posted by mikelieman at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016


Also not answering the question!
posted by cooker girl at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


On the other hand, Trump isn't answering it at all. He is saying nothing about modeling good behavior. He's just stating his platform. Blech.
posted by Superplin at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016


is he answering the question?
posted by sio42 at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016


Boom cooper!
posted by ian1977 at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


He's superunfocused, and has begun to sniff.
posted by vrakatar at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


My daughter, who turns ten this month, is super into this election. She's a big Clinton supporter. She watched the first debate, and I'm not going to let Trump ruin her chance to watch this historic campaign. She's watching this debate with me and if Trump can't behave himself then that's on him. I'm glad the first question reminded the candidates who is watching them tonight.
posted by mbrubeck at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Let's go Anderson!
posted by mollweide at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump just sniffed again.
posted by Gelatin at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Q. Appropriate behavior. Trumps answer not responsive. Obamacare, sniffing, bring back jobs, justice. Inner cities better for African Americans who are so great.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: I agree with everything she said. I began this campaign because I was so tired of seeing foolish things happen to this country. I've been meeting people as a politician (cant' believe myself calling myself a politician) . . Obamacare health insurance is going up by 59%, 71%, etc. we give 150 Billion dollars to the number one terrorist state . . . we have such tremendous potential. Last year we had an 800BN trade deficit. Inconcievable, who's making these deals. Strong border. Law and order. 2 policemen shot. We have to bring back respect. Plus those who need justice. Make the innercities better for the african americans who are so great.

Looking tired.
posted by petebest at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


trump rambles on by not answering the question
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016


He's throwing out all his greatest hits in his first answer. Where's he's going to go now?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Anderson Cooper needs like, a dozen fruit baskets for that question
posted by Torosaurus at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [28 favorites]


THAT IS TOO WHAT YOU SAID YOU ASSHOLE
posted by cooker girl at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016


"You bragged you sexually assaulted women"

Apologized to everyone besides the women in question.
posted by mhz at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Clinton starting strong with feelings (positivity, inclusiveness, goal-setting), and Trump is out of the gate with statistics (ones pulled seemingly from his ass, but they're numbers all the same).

Interestingly different.
posted by Room 101 at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Anderson accuses Trump of having bragged about sexually assaulting women.
posted by FelliniBlank at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is it me or does he look terrible? The sniffing, it's like he can't catch his breath.
posted by Lyme Drop at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump is completely avoiding the question of Are you modeling appropriate behaviour for kids, and just rambling his campaign points. Moderator is all, that's not an answer, get to g in to the tape now.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


'You bragged that you have sexually assaulted women.' Anderson!
posted by box at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


He's answering a question quite well; too bad it isn't the question that was asked.
posted by Flashman at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary's campaign in a nutshell: asking the first town hall citizen "Are you an educator yourself?" to make a connection with her. I love that she expressed interest and didn't just go immediately into her answer.
posted by gladly at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [26 favorites]


Damn, Anderson Cooper: "that was sexual assault" to Trump's "locker room banter"
posted by TwoStride at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [47 favorites]


C-SPAN streaming just crapped out for me and I can't get it back up. It's running on ~60 sec delay on the networks, so if you're in the same boat you won't miss anything if you're able to tune in now.
posted by phunniemee at 6:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bless you, Anderson Cooper.
posted by yasaman at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


Trump trying REALLY hard to stay calm this time and he sucks at it because it's not his natural state. Let's see how quickly he gets bated and this devolves into a "BUT BILL CLINTON."
posted by windbox at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


Uh oh! What's that sound? Is it... something coming off some... rails?
posted by Rykey at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


[Folks, short reaction-only comments to Chat please, drinking game/bingo card comments to chat; please give context for the folks who aren't watching, thank you. ]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


Good for Anderson cooper, getting straight to the sexual assault question and keeping the conversation to the question.
posted by rmless at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I love you Anderson. Thanks for calling it sexual assault, which is exactly what it is.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [23 favorites]


he didn't say that? - you liar - and if you didn't say it, why apologize?
posted by pyramid termite at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


"Do you understand what you said was sexual assault?" "No, I didn't say...."
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Lol moderator is like, that wasn't the question...


!!!

Directly to sexual assault accusation. Trump deflects
posted by Tarumba at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow. "What I did isn't as bad as ISIS?"
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


He's also not at all addressing the people in the immediate audience. I hope this doesn't play well with them, Hilary is much better at eye contact.
posted by andruwjones26 at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


That's not what I said. ISIS. ISIS. ISIS.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


Ooh, here goes the tape!
posted by Superplin at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


His makeup is less clownish today tho
posted by sweetmarie at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


HELL YEAH GET HIM ANDERSON COOPER

"Trump, do you understand that you were bragging about sexual assault?"
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Now that it's my turn here are a number of words in a row"
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Anderson Cooper going for the throat: "You bragged about comitting sexual assault. Do you understand that?"
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [30 favorites]


If you take a drink every time he sniffs you will die.
posted by gamera at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


HOLY SHIT. FUCK YES. CALL HIM ON HIS ACTIONS.
posted by fluffy battle kitten at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]



So maybe he's just going to wimp out?

All the fuss and then nothing?
posted by Jalliah at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump: "Police being shot is happening on a weekly basis"? Asshole.
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


I'm glad he used his entire arsenal immediately… it's a marathon, not a sprint, and he's already losing it on the second question. ISIS, ISIS, ISIS.
posted by mhz at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I be never seen someone trying so hard to stay in control. Wow. He's going to explode.
posted by double bubble at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


LOCKER ROOM TALK.

GO GET HIM HILLDAWG!
posted by Talez at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump is just off the rails when asked about the tape! Going on tangents about ISIS and his regular nonsense oh god oh god.
posted by erratic meatsack at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


I legit just teared up when Anderson Cooper said, "This is sexual assault you were talking about...do you understand this?"

Thank you.

Also, his answer was basically. "I'm not as bad as ISIS."
posted by blue suede stockings at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


Question to Trump from Cooper, straight to the video released. Trump denies it happened.

That's it, I'm tapping out.
posted by indubitable at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016


He apparently thinks speaking softly means sounding sane?
posted by futz at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: LOCKER ROOM TALK OKAY ALSO ISIS
posted by Tarumba at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Just FYI, as a woman who has been in essentially this position, taking notes is how you keep yourself from leaping across the table and stabbing the jackass misogynist with your pen.
posted by susiswimmer at 6:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [121 favorites]


Trump says his whole concept was to make America great again. He watched horrible things like Obamacare happen and the bad Iran deal happen and when he looks at all these things when our country has so much potential and we have a huge trade deficit. He thinks we will have a great trade deal, bring back law and order, bring back respect to law enforcement. He wants to do things like fixing the inner cities for the African Americans.

Anderson Cooper came back and said that Trump bragged about sexual assault. Trump said it was locker room talk and this is like medieval times.
posted by winna at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Medieval Times? Oh shit, I felt bad for the Tic Tacs social media intern, but the poor Medieval Times intern is NOT EVEN FROM THIS CENTURY!
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [40 favorites]


he's going to knock the hell out of isis - he's going to grab them by ....
posted by pyramid termite at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wow he's on a shitload of benzos
posted by theodolite at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


"You hear these things, they're said..."

Yes, by you!
posted by splen at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow. Cooper with a ferocious question calling out Trump's sexual assault. Trump lies and denies and tries to deflect.
posted by dazed_one at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Doubling down on 'locker room talk' and 'it's not as bad as ISIS'. WTF.
posted by lovecrafty at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump is following the Pence playbook: "I never said that. You misunderstood."

He's talking about "carnage all over the world" and ISIS in response to a question about his "locker room talk."
posted by Superplin at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016


Cooper not letting up: "For the record, have you ever done those things?"
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


He's not going off the rails. He's trying to barrel through the question and shift the focus. Not going to work this time, though.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


DAMN IT I'M STILL IN THE OTHER THREAD CATCHING UP
posted by Capybara at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


"Nobody has more respect for women than I do." lololololol
posted by frumiousb at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Can Cooper ask if Mr. Trump will make American women safe again...from him?
posted by rtha at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


COOPER: you grab women's genitals, that's sexual assault, do you understand that?

TRUMP: I never said that, I don' think you understand this is locker room talk. So many terrorist organizations around the world cutting off heads it's crazy around the world, Yes it's locker room talk and I hate it but I will knock the hell out of ISIS and. . .

COOPER: You're saying you didn't kiss women or grope women without their consent?

TRUMP" I have great respect for women. We're going to make america safe again

COOOPER: have you ever done that

TRUMP: No I haven't.
posted by petebest at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [51 favorites]


Locker room talk will knock the hell out of police being shot by ISIS

GET HIM ANDERSON
posted by mattdidthat at 6:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm glad that Trump is clearing the bar of not being as bad as drowning people in steel cages.
posted by 0xFCAF at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Cooper is really pressing him. Good.
posted by chaoticgood at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016


This is where she puts her hand in her pocket, turns to the side, and smiles, right?
posted by zachlipton at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Anderson Cooper: "You bragged about sexually harassing women. Do you understand that?"
Trump: "It's locker room talk."

Hillary looks SO MAD.
He is done. Done, done, done.
posted by ourobouros at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


It's just one of those things?!?!?!?
posted by chris24 at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016


Ok, he's starting to unravel already. I bet he's not even going to keep it together for the first 20 minutes like he did in the first debate.
posted by joedan at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


"We're going to make America safe again" by focusing on the borders and not on the behavior of the assholes like himself who pose the greatest threat to women in America.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Here's her answer. She is killing it. Unfit to be CIC.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


"You hear these things said" ...no , we heard YOU say those things trump.
posted by rmless at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh, man, he doesn't even have a good response to the tape question! So much for his "prep."
posted by Superplin at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I want to kiss Anderson Cooper, on the lips, because right now I'm a little bit in love with him.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [28 favorites]


Wow, Clinton just implicitly said Trump isn't fit to be President.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


She's almost inviting him to attack Bill now.
posted by chris24 at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton is pulling no punches!
posted by ian1977 at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton going for the jugular: "He's not fit to serve."
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


We are about five minutes in and he's already doing the word salad thing. It took him at least half an hour, maybe an hour, to get this off the rails at the last debate.
posted by insectosaurus at 6:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Sexual assault...ISIS...borders...ISIS...wealth...ISIS...locker room...ISIS
posted by futz at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump: "No, I did not."

Clinton's new ad, 3 hours from now: "Oh yes you did!"
posted by Gelatin at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


What is with that sniffing? Seriously? What is that about?
posted by freya_lamb at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Represents exactly who he is.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016


"Do you understand your words were sexual assault?"

"I will defend us from ISIS and bring the jobs back"

At what point does the illusion just get ripped aside?
posted by Lykosidae at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump's response to the "bragging about molesting women" was complete fail.

The only possible winning approach would have been to own up to what he said, then pivot to how "standards have changed, and so have I." (much like HRC did answering the email question last debate)

Instead, he went with word salad non-answering "it was locker room talk" BS.

Heh: "Thank you Mr. Trump. Thank you Mr. Trump. Secretary Clinton?"
posted by porpoise at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I am so glad to have the opportunity to vote for Hillary Clinton for president.
posted by Lyme Drop at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [37 favorites]


Hillary Clinton said she never questioned a previous republican candidate's fitness to serve, but Donald Trump was different.
posted by winna at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


The handheld mics are an odd choice. It's as though they're battle rapping. When will this Hamilton fanwank stop?
posted by stet at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


Anderson asks Trump about his behavior on the tape. Trump says it's locker room talk and pivots to ISIS. Anderson presses, asking if he has ever done any of those things he said. Trump deflects (I have great respect for women!) and ultimately says no, briefly, when pressed, then launches into the MAGA spiel.

Hillary questions Trump's fitness to serve, and how this question persists across both party lines.
posted by mochapickle at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


oooh, donald's strutting around like a rooster who knows he's going to be decapitated ...
posted by pyramid termite at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did he just say something along the lines of "Nobody respects women as much as I do" ?
posted by Napoleonic Terrier at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016


Go for the jugular, Hillary.
posted by vverse23 at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016


GET IT, HILLZ!!!
posted by honeybee413 at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016


He can't wait to sniff again.
posted by vrakatar at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"What do I think about those things Donald Trump said, Anderson? I think I'm going to be the next President of the United States."
posted by Superplin at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Anderson Cooper is stunning. I'm watching this debate feeling bruised and triggered over what's come out and been discussed over the last few days. By addressing this as directly as AC just did, I feel... shielded, in a way?
posted by Miss Scarlet with the Candlestick in the Lounge at 6:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [68 favorites]


MODERATOR: You vowed to cover all the lands in a second darkness

SAURON: That was just locker room talk
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [157 favorites]


Trump is not interrupting...
posted by bonobothegreat at 6:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Still watching kittens and glancing at tweets, but the uppers vs downers question appears to be presenting itself again.
posted by holgate at 6:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Lennie Briscoe would punch Trump so hard that his children would suffer a concussion.
posted by urbanwhaleshark at 6:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


Clinton: "He has targeted women, people of colour, POWs and so many others. This is who Donald Trump is."
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


HRC pivots back to go high: "I want to send a message to every boy and girl and indeed to the entire world that America already is great and we are great because we are good. And we will respect one another"
posted by zachlipton at 6:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


COOPER: HRC do you want to respond

HRC: I've thought about this a lot in the last 48 hours, and Donald Trump is not fit to be president. What we all saw and heard on Friday was Donald taling about women, what he thinksa bout women, what he does to women, and he has said it's not who he is, but it's clear to anyone who heard it that it's exactly who he is. We've seen him insult women, rate women 1-10, spent nearly a week denigrating former Miss Universe in the harshest terms.

But it's not only this video that raises these questions about fitness, because he's also targeted AA, Latinos, people with disabilities . . . . our country must answer that this is not who we are. To go back to your question that we should send a message to all that we are great because we are good because we will respect one another, and we will celebrate our diversity. This is the America that I will serve if I'm so fortunate enough to be your president.
posted by petebest at 6:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [79 favorites]


I am stunned and pleased by how well Clinton's doing tonight right out of the gate
posted by Greg Nog at 6:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


She broadens the question of fitness to serve by pointing out all the other groups that he has denigrated during the campaign.
posted by winna at 6:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


does she have a lapel mic?
posted by sio42 at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016


HE CAN'T FUCKING STOP HIMSELF. He just can't!!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I mean, he's not fit to serve, so good on her for actually saying it.
posted by corb at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


"It's just words, folks"

sigh. I don't know why that should disappoint me.
posted by INFJ at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Just words? What the fuck are those squiggly things on the backdrop behind you, you stupid fucker.
posted by klarck at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


Twice now with "Latinos/Hispanics."
posted by mhz at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Dude just passed up his best opportunity to say "Yes, I made it up, I'm a blowhard constantly trying to impress people".
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's telling that it took Anderson Cooper prodding Trump repeatedly to get him to explicitly say no, he never sexually assaulted anyone. It's weird that the first words out of his mouth when asked that question weren't, "No, I never did and never would do that."
posted by Sangermaine at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Way to bring it back around to the question Hillary.
posted by Flashman at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"We are great because we are good." Holy shit balls, that's what we need to hear from a CIC.
posted by Drumhellz at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


Clinton: This is who Donald Trump is. This is not who we are.

Also repeating America is great because we are good..

More than words. But good words.
posted by Gelatin at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


They are treating trump like a naughty child. Love it!
posted by ian1977 at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trump is complaining about not getting enough rope to hang himself with?
posted by 0xFCAF at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


just words? - where's your record of public service - and where's your defense?
posted by pyramid termite at 6:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's mocking Raddatz for interrupting him.
posted by medusa at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016


When does the video surface of him doing the things he just said he didn't do?
posted by fluffy battle kitten at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm listening to WFMU while reading this (because I can't watch). Danny Fields is being interviewed and is programming songs. He pretty much dedicated Joan Baez singing Hard Rain to the debate. Powerful.
posted by maggiemaggie at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


No - no response! What the f*ck? This is a town hall not a debate?!
posted by freya_lamb at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Dammit Hillary that was good. I can exhale now.
posted by kanewai at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


DT says "it's just words, folks"

Words matter!
posted by chaoticgood at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


It's just words? That's his excuse? Just tripped over Latinos/Hispanics
posted by peppermind at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016


Good on the moderators for staying on point and not letting Donnie ramble on and on offtopic.

Hope this keeps up until the bitter end.
posted by porpoise at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I have seen some people (mainly men) do a big sniff when they were feeling smug or trying to look confident. I was wondering if that's what Trump was doing last time.

Or he could just be bad at breathing.
posted by zennie at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is there somewhere to place a bet that Trump's "it's just words" will be in the next Clinton ad?
posted by mhum at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton made a VERY good inclusive move to pivot the outrage about his statements to remind people that his statements about hispanics and muslims are just as bad.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


at age 59 - bloody hell
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Number of mentions of "locker room": 4 as of the first fifteen minutes
posted by Greg Nog at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016


The pivot to Bill. It begins.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Petulant Trump. "So I can't... she can respond but I can't... sure, sounds fair. Sounds fair." (paraphrasing slightly)
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


There he goes, bringing up Bill Clinton. Let's see how this goes.
posted by honeybee413 at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


And there goes the Bill attack.
posted by chris24 at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016


he's swaying and looks defeated. his posture is horrible. like he's gonna pass out
posted by sio42 at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh, here comes the Bill Clinton crap.

This is happening. This is really, actually happening.
posted by Justinian at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


What are the chances Trump flees the stage part way through?
posted by figurant at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2016


Well, here we are. Bringing out Bill, and Hillary's response.
posted by mollweide at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016


PLEASE PROCEED MR TRUMP
posted by Talez at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"It's just locker room talk."

It's not appropriate in the locker room, either, Don.
posted by cooker girl at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


He attacked Bill. Here we go.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


The moderators are hammering on the video and I'm actually pleasantly surprised.
posted by winna at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016


Everyone gave Donnie shit for being coked up at the last debate so he overcorrects with quaaludes?
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump's sniffing is getting worse.

He complains about not being allowed to respond when Raddatz interrupted his filibuster.
posted by Gelatin at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Both moderators are on target. Most excellent.
posted by dazed_one at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's telling that it took Anderson Cooper prodding Trump repeatedly to get him to explicitly say no, he never sexually assaulted anyone. It's weird that the first words out of his mouth when asked that question weren't, "No, I never did and never would do that."

Sure, Donald, but there are a lot of people who know now how much you'd like to.
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016


Here it is, the Bill gambit.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


HE went Shelton.
posted by vrakatar at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016


I seriously think he's on coke.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


He's given another golden opportunity to say he's changed and HE DIDN'T TAKE IT!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why doesn't he answer the question as it was framed rather than going for this nonsense?
posted by tetsuo at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump not sitting down. Looks odd.
posted by dhens at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016


Hillary has an amazing poker face.
posted by Blue Meanie at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


He's a sniffle-apotamus tonight.
posted by ian1977 at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


The moderators are hammering him on the video. I am so pleasantly surprised.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Not a muscle moving in her face out of turn as he tears into this bullshit
posted by Countess Elena at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


so, donnie, are you going to make this country a locker room - god, here we go with the bill clinton accusations

you scumbag - you will never be my president and i say that as someone who's no fan of bill
posted by pyramid termite at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Here we fucking go. I'm so disgusted. He's going on and fucking on about Bill Clinton.
posted by yasaman at 6:18 PM on October 9, 2016


He doesn't have an original thought in his head. His monotone talking points are bizarro. "The" African Americans, "The" Latinos. He's hitting his talking points without using them in any reasonable context.

He is tanking badly and we have a long way to go.

Oh god, he went there
posted by futz at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


He sounds super wheezy- netipot, dude
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Is Trump's insisting the tape is "locker room talk" convincing to anyone?
posted by Gelatin at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016


lol this guy is literally a malfunctioning robot on a Disneyworld ride.
posted by turbid dahlia at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


Here come all of his cards, twenty minutes in.
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is there something wrong with the way they're holding/handling/pointing the mic that it's picking up his sniffing? Why don't they just use the standard lapel mics and not touch them?
posted by The arrows are too fast at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016


He can't even coherently articulate his cheap attacks.
posted by lovecrafty at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


She's got it in her pocket. Look at her.
posted by valkane at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


I have watched probably a dozen or more Trump rallies and he has not sniffled once. This is weird.

Trump asked whether he is the same person he was 11 years ago, and instead launching into Bill's accusers.
posted by mochapickle at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


TRUMP: Rebuttal. Just words folks, just words. I've heard a lot of words. HRC said she' bring jobs back to NY and she failed. I am going to help the AA and the Latinos and get them help, she's not going to brig jobs

MR: Mr Trump I want to get to the next question. "Jeff from Ohio" Trump says the campaign has changed him, when did that happen. When you walked off that bus at age 59 what changed you.

TRUMP: IT was locker room talk, I'm not proud of it, but if you look at Bill Clinton, but if you look at his abuses to women, he's the worst i the history of politics, and some of the people are here tonight, Kathy Shelton was raped, and she's here otnight. So don't tell me about words, Bill Clinton was impeached, he had to pay 850k to Paula Jones who is also here tonight. HRC will bring up words that I said 11 years ago she should be ashamed of herself.
posted by petebest at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


The Kathy Shelton stuff is so, so gross.
posted by chaoticgood at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]



This is happening. This is really, actually happening.


Probably shouldn't be hearing Idioteque in my head when reading this.
posted by asteria at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


An APPLAUSE after the Bill Clinton attacks. Jesus fucking H Christ.
posted by windbox at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Woah, fly attack!
posted by tetsuo at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon I seriously think he's on coke.

Trump. Not Even Once.
posted by mattdidthat at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Here we go with her laughter on her part!
posted by SillyShepherd at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016


she's not ashamed of herself = she's ashamed of YOU, donnie
posted by pyramid termite at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016


She was ready for the attack.
posted by vrakatar at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016


Once again the crowd needs to learn to stay silent, for both sides.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"My friend, Michelle Obama is like WHATEVER."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


If he was on coke, wouldn't he have more energy? He seems beaten down, not that he doesn't deserve to be
posted by rmless at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016


Seriously? Two minutes of attack on Bill Clinton gets the first audible round of applause? Who the hell is in this audience?
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [31 favorites]


Trump tripling down on "it's just words" can't be helping him, not in any sane world (I know, I know); he is The inveterate blowhard.
posted by porpoise at 6:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump repeating everything he already said about Bill. Hillary calmly chilling.
posted by Tarumba at 6:20 PM on October 9, 2016


She quotes Michelle Obama: "When they go low, you go high".
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [23 favorites]


Oh my god he claimed Hillary Clinton laughed at Kathy Shelton when Clinton was the public defender for the rapist.

The audience applauded, which is disgusting.
posted by winna at 6:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


OMG, there's applause after that shitshow of a response? He drags in Bill Clinton and says Hillary should be ashamed of herself, and gets APPLAUSE?
posted by Superplin at 6:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's unraveling on the inside. Let it all out Don.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:20 PM on October 9, 2016


That's how you plagiarize Michelle Obama, Dingus!
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Somehow, I don't think there will be happy shimmying tonight. Dancing on his grave quite likely though.
posted by peppermind at 6:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


And the crowd goes wild. Hillary has him by the nuts.
posted by humanfont at 6:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


So Trump gets to bring in Kathy Shelton and Paula Jones to the audience. Nice - he decided to go all in.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:20 PM on October 9, 2016


A fly just landed on Clinton's face while she was in the middle of talking and she didn't even blink! She's not even slightly rattled by Trump's low blow. She's got this. Also, wtf?
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 6:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


I saw that too. Where's the official Debate 2016 fly-swatter?
posted by Autumnheart at 6:20 PM on October 9, 2016


Facts for the Hilary rape defense case if anyone is interested. TLDR: He's wrong. She should flag this.
posted by freya_lamb at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [31 favorites]


Yeah he must be exhausted. Been a rough few days.
posted by vrakatar at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016


An APPLAUSE after the Bill Clinton attacks.

A big one. With hoots. For calling Clinton a hypocrite for promising to support women, specifically.

But she got a followup hoot for promising to take a higher road, though, so I guess that balances out?

She's definitely getting down and dirty and personal. I didn't expect that. She doesn't need to.
posted by rokusan at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Okay, much more applause for, "When they go low, you [sic] go high." Whew.

"But he never apologizes for anything." Time to address the Khans and his other insults. Good.
posted by Superplin at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I like that her riposte there expressly called him on not answering the question, but instead choosing an unrelated attack.
posted by Archelaus at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm pretty sure the sniffing is him being out of breath... just standing there... talk about stamina.
posted by Somn at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't like this at all. PUT HIM DOWN. Don't just relitigate.
posted by Talez at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


HRC: He gets to say whatever he wants, to run his campaign on what he chooses. He can talk about the things that we want to talk about, instead of the important problems of the American people, I can say like Michelle Obama, "when they go low we go high". That's only one tape, but we can interpolate that there are more.

But he never apologies, the Kahns . . their son died, he never apologized. . . Judge Curiel, never apologies, . . reporter he mocked . . never apologies . . never apologized for the birther stuff. He needs to take responsibilty for his actions and his voice.
posted by petebest at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Clinton: "He never apologized for..." litany of all his shit. GO HILLARY
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Audience CHEERED for "they go low, we go high." CHEERED. Fuck some applause, y'all.
posted by palomar at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'm sorry; I can't deal with this any more. His rhetoric, his constant sniffing, on and on. I'll just stay in here with you fine folks where I feel safe. Thanks to all of you for being here.
posted by Silverstone at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hillary is like sure Trump whatever, let's move on to all the other 5 million things you said

So much for the crazy super duper weapon of bringing up Bill's affair
posted by Tarumba at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is all so bizarre, how is this even comprehensible to "undecided" voters, and why are they cheeering if they're "undecided"?
posted by blue suede stockings at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump still nailing that Sidney Blumenthal demographic. This is a bold strategy.
posted by Justinian at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


No YOU owe the president an apology. I'm rubber and you're glue....
posted by rmless at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm so glad Clinton is pointing out that Trump hasn't apologized to the Khans, Judge Curiel, the disabled reporter, and for being the #1 Obama birther.
posted by joedan at 6:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh here we go with Sidney Blumenthal again.
posted by workerant at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


It's smart of Clinton to emphasize that Trump should be responsible for his own behavior, emphasizing that Bill's actions aren't hers.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Thanks for reminding me you started the Birther thing, Donald!
posted by Room 641-A at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016


he is unhinged
posted by ian1977 at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


A fly just landed on Clinton's face while she was in the middle of talking and she didn't even blink!

Cue the Hillary-is-a-robot commercials.
posted by rokusan at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016


She quotes Michelle Obama: "When they go low, you go high".

Immediately said this and also got an applause break. Clearly both camps have stock the audience with well-briefed folks.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016


He just called her a devil.
posted by chris24 at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Holy shit he's going full Breitbart.
posted by Talez at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Is she just going to leave his dessicated husk on the stage at the end of night?
posted by rdr at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


what donnie? what was all that about sidney? that didn't even make sense - what was wrong with those commercials? - oh, you're just flailing, you idiot
posted by pyramid termite at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016


Wait, Trump is going to attack Michelle Obama for attacking Hillary? What is this even ...???
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ah, yes, the Bernie-or-Busters will save you now, Donald.

Aaaaaaaaand… emails.
posted by mhz at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did he just call her the devil?
posted by Torosaurus at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Clinton talks about all the actions for which Trump has ever apologized for all the things he has done.

Trump says that she should apologize for Sidney Blumenthal because of course dropping his name in again isn't creepy cryptoracism.
posted by winna at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


This guy is deranged
posted by ramix at 6:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump, don't re-litigate the primaries please.
posted by neonrev at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


Trump just called Hillary the devil. Then he said something about acid-washed emails.
posted by box at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


I can't tell if Trump is looking out into the crowd or purposely looking into the camera and it is freaking me out. Especially since he's maintaining the calmer baritone, the calm before the 'cold fury' storm.
posted by Lykosidae at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016


I think only the people asking questions are undecided.
posted by double bubble at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016


I'm not so sure Clinton was "going high" after she quoted Michelle Obama. I hope after Trump stops blathering she moves on from all this nonsense.
posted by zennie at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Emails again. Yawn.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016


This town hall format is fascinating. Real citizens get to sit there and watch the debate? Quite a game changer.
posted by uosuaq at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


She did it. She finally BROKE HIM.
posted by Drumhellz at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


He called her the devil. Wow, fuck him right in the face.
posted by Lyme Drop at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


hahaha she can't keep a straight face of his threats of special prosecution.
posted by ian1977 at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump fully unhinged saying that HRC is the one who needs to apologize to the Obamas and everything else.

HRC is igonring the insults about Bill, which means it's unfortunate that she hasn't gone for the "he's not the one running for president!" moment.
posted by TwoStride at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016


One of the things I've been surprised does not get brought up in relation to Trump's attack against the Khans: not only were the things he offered up as his own comparable "sacrifices" absurd, paying for buildings to be built, but other people died, other people's children, construction workers, in the course of his "sacrifices". But he claims them as his own.
posted by XMLicious at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary has yet to directly address Trump. He's unable to do anything but attack her directly.
posted by mhz at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


He just called her a devil.

The Devil, actually. I guess it's more respectful that way?
posted by rokusan at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I'm going to instruct my attorney general..." ...what.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016


There are boxes of emails?
posted by valkane at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


I don't even understand what's going on right now. He's saying he's going to prosecute her if he's president. What the fuck.
posted by yasaman at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump says he wasn't going to say it but he will: "If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies and deception. Never been anything like it. We are going to have a special prosecutor."
posted by zachlipton at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary Clinton must be shaking in her boots about a special prosecutor.
posted by Justinian at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


What the fuck is going on? Bernie Sanders?
posted by lkc at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


lololololololol omg you guys this is beautiful. this is so beautiful.

her face is glorious.
posted by palomar at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Big old smile and chuckle at his threat
posted by Countess Elena at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's going full gish gallop! HE JUST THREATENED HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT ON LIVE TV FOR A POLITICAL PROSECUTION.
posted by Talez at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [50 favorites]


He's babbling about superdelegates and Debbie Wasserman Schultz?!
posted by Gelatin at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016


She is just straight up cracking up when he threatens her with a special prosecutor. Beautiful.
posted by skycrashesdown at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


He is tanking badly and we have a long way to go.

Never overestimate a vast number of your fellow Americans.
posted by NorthernLite at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Acid washed emails. They were the style at the time, back when we all wore onions on our belts.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [75 favorites]


"I hate to say it, but if I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation."
posted by medusa at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump: I'll be a dictator
posted by Tarumba at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]



This is all so bizarre, how is this even comprehensible to "undecided" voters, and why are they cheeering if they're "undecided"?


Trump has 10 people with him so guessing the applause came from there.
posted by asteria at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sorry for all caps, but:
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? A LONG UNHINGED RANT? WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT?
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's now saying that she should apologize for acid washing emails.
posted by winna at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is literally the strongest woman I have ever seen.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [80 favorites]


He's so bad here. He's just babbling.
posted by octothorpe at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016


He just said he's going to use the power of the presidency to punish his opponent. HE"S DONE.
posted by chris24 at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [28 favorites]


TRUMP: Sidney Blumenthal, . . your campaign apology . . you did that. Michelle Obama tv advertisments, you should see the commercials from 2008 and those are terrible commercials to you. All you have to do is look at Wikileaks to see what you said about Bernie Sanders and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, but you shjould so apologize for the 30000 emails.

If I win, I'm going to instruct my AG to get a special prosecutre to look into this email situation. We're going to have a special prosecuter. People are furious, there's never been anything like the emails . . . *gettig a little faster, louder, higher*
posted by petebest at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


He is more than unhinged. I have never in my life been so convinced that someone is the subject of demon possession. And you know what? Pence is worse.
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


and if you win, you idiot, obamas going to pardon her long before you call that atty general
posted by pyramid termite at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


He just lost his mind.
posted by mikelieman at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump has just claimed he's going to engage in punative prosecutions against Clinton if he wins!
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


HE JUST FUCKING THREATENED HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT ON LIVE TV FOR A POLITICAL PROSECUTION.
posted by Talez at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [87 favorites]


WTF? Special prosecutor?
posted by vrakatar at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well, I guess the chill Donald is over now.
posted by klarck at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016


Hillary channeling Kate McKinnon with that smile. This is going so well.
posted by humanfont at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


Acid washing is not on my bingo card.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


He sounds like he had a 13 year old r/the_donald top commenter as a prep for the debate
posted by futz at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


WHY DO I WANT ACID WASH JEANS
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


It's his greatest rally hit.
posted by valkane at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


(threatening Hillary with special prosecution)
posted by Tarumba at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016


Getting out the bottle of Balvenie 15

FREE THE BALVENIE 15
posted by murphy slaw at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


Now he's accusing her of not losing the primary election with Bernie Sanders "fair and square," dragging in Wikileaks and Debra Wasserman Schulz.


Oh, and here are the emails.
Ugh.

"I didn't think I was going to say this, and I hate to say it, but I'm going to instruct my Attorney General to get a special prosecutor" to go out after the emails.
posted by Superplin at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016


Never apologize for acid-washing.
posted by roger ackroyd at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016


acid washed? He's used this expression multiple times. What the hell? "acid washed emails"
posted by frumiousb at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016


oh good lord, is he really suggesting this?

after election, going after his opponents?

this man truly will destroy the united states.
posted by qcubed at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


lol this guy is literally a malfunctioning robot on a Disneyworld ride.

"These violent delights have violent ends"
posted by bibliowench at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Trump calls for a special prosecutor against Hillary -- how many have already been used against the Clintons?
posted by gingerbeer at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't think this guy can last a whole 90 minutes. He's unloading everything he was coached to say in the first half hour and Hillary's literally laughing at it.
posted by at by at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Still with the "acid-washed" emails? Trump really has nothing. There was no prep at all. Except for maybe whatever is making him sniffle.
posted by Gotanda at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016


Deranged conspiracy ramble babbling, twenty-four minutes in.
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016


Wow..we're witnessing a low-water mark in our history here folks.
posted by tetsuo at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


I really want to know what percentage of casual voters know who Blumenthal is.
posted by drezdn at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Boxes of acid-washed, bleached emails!
posted by mattdidthat at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I know it's inappropriate to comment on HRC's appearance, but I was watching her response to Donald's rambling and noticed something.

She made a joke earlier in the campaign that she has been dying her hair for years; it's a great job - but the thing that really yells all-round competency is that she has the faintest sideburn/temple grey hinting at the "mature look" when it occurs in men.

--

Oh, boo. Fucking emails and "acid washed" again, again?

Love that HRC is laughing... laughing!

Yeah, Don should know about subpoena's.
posted by porpoise at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


This is all so bizarre, how is this even comprehensible to "undecided" voters, and why are they cheeering if they're "undecided"?
posted by blue suede stockings at 9:21 PM on 10/9


I think there's some truth to this, there millions of people just now really tuning into the election, believe it or not. If they're watching this for any clue as to the issues...there isn't any
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Shelton thing is so mysterious to me because it's like...does the public really have no idea what defense attorneys do? Do we have no respect for the fact that everyone is entitled to a legal representative when they're accused of a crime??
posted by witchen at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Called her the devil, brought up the emails again, throwing out bill, talking about nebulous "boxes taken from an office" and telling the American people his first action as president would be to have an inquest against his political opponent. Wow.
posted by Room 101 at 6:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"SHE SHOULD BE IN JAIL"

oh. my god.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [26 favorites]


Bill, emails, Bernie, Sidney Blumenthal, Wikileaks--I think I just hit Trump bingo.
posted by joedan at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


I feel like I want to acid wash everything I own.
posted by turbid dahlia at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is what I feared- bringing this up first would totally overshadow the actual questions we need to have answered. I want to hear real questions!!!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Body language is really interesting just now. We got a full shot of Trump standing and pointing his finger at a seated Hillary. I wonder if that was a calculated move on her part, because it makes Trump look threatening.
posted by INFJ at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Note Bene: He is calling her Hillary (aggressively) not Secretary Clinton.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump: "Because you'd be in jail"

Another applause, un-fucking-real.
posted by windbox at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [24 favorites]


donald is starting to lose the quiet voice.

Did he pay these people to cheer? WTF?
posted by futz at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump's overt threat to appoint a special prosecutor against his political opponent can't play well with what remains of the political press' sense of propriety.
posted by Gelatin at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Okay, someone just tell me if he cusses, 'cause I got fifty riding on it and I can't listen to the fucker.
posted by Mooski at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


'Cuz you'd be in jail.'

Watch it Donnie.
posted by ian1977 at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016


They should clear the room of the audience this is a disgrace.
posted by winna at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


The audience applause about Clinton being in jail makes me physically ill.
posted by Superplin at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [52 favorites]


A CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES JUST THREATENED HIS OPPONENT WITH A POLITICAL PROSECUTION! HOW THE FUCK IS THAT POSSIBLE?
posted by Talez at 6:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [90 favorites]


I'm tired of hearing about your damn emails! /Bernie
posted by leotrotsky at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


He is not even coherent. I really want to help with transcript, but damn, I couldn't follow it well enough to condense it. We're now on emails again. Trump swears to prosecute Hillary for email bleaching when he's elected.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"You'd be in jail". WTF??
posted by rdr at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump is pacing back and forth. He's nervous/scared/pissed off.
posted by mattdidthat at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I thought these people were undecided. Where's the cheering coming from?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


So to be clear, the moderators just admonished the audience for wasting time by cheering, then they waste all our time by asking the same damn email question that's been asked and answered over and over again?
posted by zachlipton at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


He is repeating crazy Trump supporter fan fiction right now.
posted by armacy at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is basically Jerry Springer. Insane.
posted by The World Famous at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


Did anybody else hear what he just muttered under his breath that got the audience to whoop like a high school cafeteria after the bully drops their lunch tray?
posted by ourobouros at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


This email segment isn't going too well for her. Accurate or not, it's bad optics.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


This audience is shit.
posted by asteria at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


WHY DO I WANT ACID WASH JEANS

Because he's a Master Persuader, I guess?

I mean, I'm starting to crave really bad steaks and ugly ties, myself.
posted by rokusan at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump's impatient pacing every time Clinton speaks is really unnerving. He looks like he's about to hit somebody.
posted by joedan at 6:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


moderators are quite rubbish
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


god, he just can't stand still and listen without acting like he wants to jump in and shut her up
posted by pyramid termite at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016


If this was the final test, Pence is gonna quit.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]




HRC: *jumping to rebut* Everything he said is a lie, go to hillaryclinton dt com to see the fact checking because it's awfully good that someone with the temprament is not in charge of the laws of this country

Trump: You'd be in jail

MR: You said you were careless 8 -10 emails were top secret and that that they could been compromised.

HRC: First it was a mistake, I would not do it again, but I think it's important to point out there are some misleading accucations from others, after a year investigation there's no evidence of a hack, and there's no evidence that anyone can point to at all that ANY classified materials ended up in the wron ghands. I take that serious, when I was in the Senate, when I was SoS, liek when we went after bin Laden, I take it serious and there's no information was compromised.
posted by petebest at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


I can't believe he's getting so much applause. .
posted by Room 641-A at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


I feel like I'm having a stroke
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


"Obviously as Secretary of State, whereas the game show host over here...."
posted by valkane at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016


3 or 3 or 3 or 4 or 5
posted by ian1977 at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


She can take it, they have ammo for after the debate. and he makes no sense when he speaks.
posted by vrakatar at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow..we're witnessing a low-water mark in our history here folks.

It's still early. It could get worse.
posted by octothorpe at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


She looks really, really angry.

Talk less, Secretary Clinton. Smile more.
posted by rokusan at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yoga class? What?
posted by rtha at 6:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I so wish Hillary had been able to debate someone capable of leading. Instead she has to deal with this deranged toddler in suit.
posted by mochapickle at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


He's repeating all the Breitbart talking points. Fascinating. This is the stuff I saw in the last few months from the crazyweb.
posted by frumiousb at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's just babbling conspiracy theories...
posted by leotrotsky at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


The whole audience is not undecided, just the question-askers.
posted by dhens at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump doesn't seem to understand that people watching this debate who are swayable don't understand his weird sideways references to all these made-up scandals. It's like watching a nerd talk and make a ton of sci-fi allusions that no one gets.
posted by 0xFCAF at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [43 favorites]


Was the audience bussed in from Maury?
posted by Senor Cardgage at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Jesus Christ. Ask a fucking question. Put this back on topic.
posted by uncleozzy at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's lost his mind. That's really the only answer I have for this craziness.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's not bad optics. She is taking responsibility for something. Something he can't do.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Seriously. I can't get past the suggestion of going after a political opponent after winning.

That's shit you see in troubled governments, not functioning ones.
posted by qcubed at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [25 favorites]


'Cuz you have nothing to say'
posted by ian1977 at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016


Anderson Cooper cracking the whip tonight!
posted by sweetmarie at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


The criminalization of political disagreement.

it's called fascism, I believe
posted by philip-random at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


How is he allowed to hold the floor like this?
posted by freya_lamb at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump just added 6,000 emails.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 6:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


He's upped it to thirty-nine thousand emails!
posted by winna at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


This just got my anarchist husband who is gung ho about never voting to ask if he can still register to vote.
posted by corb at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [141 favorites]


The moderators need to shut this shit down.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Congress and the FBI didn't find any evidence of wrongdoing, but Trump's sure he can do one better!
posted by Archelaus at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am so thoroughly disgusted by both this man and by the system we built that allowed him to be here in this place saying these things to this woman in this way.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


[Folks as ever -- short contextless reaction to Chat]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I'd like to know, Anderson, why aren't you bringing up the emails?"

My God. He's a child.
posted by mhz at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [28 favorites]


One on three. Everyone is against me.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


He's attacking Anderson Cooper!
posted by Sophie1 at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


he is gonna walk off
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump: 33k emails deleted. and after a subpoena, I'm so disappointed in Congress, including Republicans, when her husband goes on a plan and talks to the AG days before her case was decided, you deleted the emails and you deleted the emails.

Back and forth between HRC, Trump interrupting, HRC: I know your'e into big diversion tonight, but let's get to the questions tonight.

Trump: I'd like to know why you haven't brought out emais

COOPER: we did.

Trump no you didn't
posted by petebest at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


let her talk! - you're really acting like an asshole - to the moderators, even!
posted by pyramid termite at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is it... a temper tantrum? What just happened
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


I fear that people of a certain type will lap up his interruptions and ranting.
posted by dazed_one at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Waah the mean people are picking on me!
posted by Blue Meanie at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump is a petulant 2 year old throwing a temper tantrum. Jesus Christ.
posted by erratic meatsack at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Donnie just called the format a one on three, he's freaking out.
posted by vrakatar at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh my lord her pause and then glorious attack when she clearly just had it with him.
posted by winna at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Cut his mic, Anderson!
posted by mattdidthat at 6:29 PM on October 9, 2016


He's fighting with the moderators!
posted by sebastienbailard at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yoga class? What?

Hillary's camp said that some of the emails were yoga related
posted by futz at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Nice, it's one on three" - Donald J. Whiner
posted by Room 101 at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


The moderators have no control over this debate at all.

Since Trump mentions talking to an attorney general, I hope she points out his attempted bribe of Florida's attorney general.
posted by Gelatin at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I'm a gentleman Hillary go ahead!"

WHAT?!?
posted by Talez at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


When it's not someone's turn to talk, their microphone should be turned off.
posted by Fuzzypumper at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


"one on three" Did he actually say that? Seriously. He's only playing to his base.
posted by frumiousb at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016


Calling it now he's about to kick her in the hamstring
posted by Greg Nog at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


you are the farthest thing from a gentleman.
posted by INFJ at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


he's a gentleman - he always wears gloves when he's grabbing ....
posted by pyramid termite at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


A clearly republican plant is telling lies about Obamacare as being terrible for everyone.
posted by winna at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh my god I just slapped myself with schadenfreude

Trump looks deranged and violent, he's losing his shit
posted by Tarumba at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump is skulking behind Hillary while she answers the question- dude, sit down, you look so creepy.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


This is jerry Springer. It's terrible. Clinton is doing as well as can be expected, trump is physically looming behind her in a way that is making me nervous.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


"No, I'm a gentleman. Hillary, go ahead."
[audience laughs]
posted by at by at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


This looks bad for everyone involved
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016


motherfucker ain't navigating this so nimbly
posted by prize bull octorok at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


The implied threat of male violence manifest in the way he's walking around is goddamn sickening.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [96 favorites]


Watching them move around on stage is really interesting. She looks like a sane, intelligent, capable person. He has the body language of a mobster.
posted by Lyme Drop at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [44 favorites]


I can't even type here what I think so far. This is insane. I'm going to catch up with this afterward. I've never seen this kind of train wreck. I need to calm down.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


He's pacing and not sitting down when she's talking. I'm actually a little worried that he may make some sort of physical contact with her.
posted by explosion at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


He looks like he's stalking her on the stage. Gross.

I actually think he may walk off the stage at some point.
posted by futz at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Clinton explicitly spelling out all the best parts of Obamacare that everyone likes. Smart strategy.
posted by 0xFCAF at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [57 favorites]


Maybe now that actual policy is on the table he can suck in his usual way, not terrifying and threatening
posted by Countess Elena at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton is defending the ACA and going over what is good about it.
posted by medusa at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


hillary's giving a good and cogent defense of health care
posted by pyramid termite at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


She is going right back into policy like that shitshow never happened.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


Trump is setting up his fans to claim that he's being treated unfairly by the moderators.

For a "strong man" he sure likes playing the victim, huh?
posted by Superplin at 6:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


He is looming behind her while she answers the ACA question. He is such a fucking bully.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


He's looming behind her. Looking like Lurch on the Addams Family.
posted by Waiting for Pierce Inverarity at 6:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


ACA question is asked, and he started with the looming. LOOMING.

She crossed to his side of the stage, and he went straight to the looming.
posted by mrgoat at 6:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


He looks actually dangerous and like he might hit her
posted by rmless at 6:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Clinton has been practicing for presidential debates since high school and instead she has to go through this.
posted by tofu_crouton at 6:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [77 favorites]


Clinton is reminding everyone there is a lot of good in the ACA.
posted by winna at 6:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


How is obamacare a disaster??
posted by ian1977 at 6:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's a menace up there--I'm having anxiety from his free-floating physical presence as if he were a belligerent drunk muttering dares to himself under his breath.
posted by Taft at 6:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


Oh God, he's looming. That'll play well.
posted by peppermind at 6:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


What the FUCK is going on with the crowd? Did the university allow (clearly partisan) undergrads in to "observe" in the cheap seats as part of the package deal for hosting? This is a clusterfuck. He's playing to the crowd like it's a roman circus.
posted by blue suede stockings at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


maybe they'd have more money if he paid his taxes.
posted by sio42 at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


My new hope for this debate: He gets too close to her and the Secret Service tackles him.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


Donald just called his wall "the fence." (Unless he said "defense"?)
posted by mochapickle at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016


For a "strong man" he sure likes playing the victim, huh?

Isn't that the classic bully? Happy to swagger around intimidating others until the second they face any resistance.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


i held my breath the entire time she stood near him. i was so nervous he was going to lunge at her.
posted by double bubble at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


This isn't even Jerry Springer, it's Morton Downey Jr.
posted by Flashman at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


the townhell debate
posted by OverlappingElvis at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trump is incoherent. "it's very bad, very bad health insurance."

"We have to get rid of the lines around the states, artificial lines."
posted by winna at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


People, people, people! When Trump referred to "one on three" he wasn't referring to them ganging up, he was referring to what the betting odds of Clinton becoming president blew out to!
posted by Talez at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Meanwhile, on the loony left, I have friends arguing against Clinton and liveblogging links which show their opinion that Trump is working for Clinton.
posted by frumiousb at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016


Attacking moderators, going buck wild with weird interruptions, wandering around muttering...

I can't imagine any of this is working with anyone.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


(petebest, thank you for the transcript for those of us who can't bear to watch!)
posted by ferret branca at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Much less expensive, works, get rid of artificial lines, Don?

Single payer.
posted by porpoise at 6:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


i don't think he knows what's going on with healthcare
posted by sio42 at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ouch. For the first half hour, I thought Trump was actually doing... well, no worse than in the first debate. Maybe better. Lots of rambling, but he actually got some attacks in, stuck to his talking points on the 2005 video, and had Clinton on the defensive for a while. Probably nothing that would convince an undecided voter, but good enough to hang onto his supporters.

But then before the 30-minute mark, he starts talking over Clinton, sniping at the moderator, and trying to deny an audience member their chance to ask a question. Yeah, I think he's going to increasingly implode as the night goes on, just like last time.
posted by mbrubeck at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Please tell me about the details Donald.

Oh, more about the 'lines' again? Didn't Rubio already paste you on this?
posted by leotrotsky at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016


Checking my privilege: When they start talking about health care, I get to go pee.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


How is obamacare a disaster??

I'm not necessarily agreeing with the framing but the issue is that the pool of insured people is sicker and more costly than anticipated, which means costs to the insurers are much higher than anticipated, which means the insurers either drop out or must raise rates by huge margins. And a vicious circle ensues where healthy people drop out, the risk pool gets even sicker, and rates go up even more.
posted by Justinian at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump: "We have to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something that works".

No plans though.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump looming behind Clinton is making me nervous.
posted by toomanycurls at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump's not wearing his wedding band. Does he normally not?
posted by Windigo at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


I feel really sorry for his snot. Just when it thinks it's gotten away he sniffs it back in.
posted by firstdrop at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [30 favorites]


"It's very bad, very bad health insurance." - Trump on ACA.

It's not insurance, it's a marketplace. He then says that insurance companies shouldn't compete, and that Canadians come to the US for medical care. He's talking in circles.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's like the drunk guy sitting at the back of the bus talking to himself. So creepy.
posted by skycrashesdown at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


@KevinMKruse
The only way Trump could get more women to vote for Hillary Clinton at this point would be if he drove them to the polls himself.
posted by chris24 at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [24 favorites]


he's not making sense
posted by sio42 at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016


How is obamacare a disaster??

The same way that a single payer system would be a disaster.
posted by INFJ at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016


Lol duder keep saying she's in favor of single payer as if that isn't my most ideal dream
posted by Greg Nog at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [49 favorites]


No, Donald, most Canadians don't go to the US for major medical procedures.

P.S.: Leave us out of this, Donald.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [80 favorites]


OKAY but even if you hate the ACA, what good is DT standing there agreeing with you and not offering solutions? And invoking Canada? Where so many of us would love to move and live forever???!
posted by witchen at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


He mentioned that Canadians are coming over to the US for big medical expenses. My Canadian husband is laughing his ass off.
posted by erratic meatsack at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


Does Obamacare cover the sniffling sounds that keep coming out of his head?
posted by zachlipton at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


WHY IS TRUMP SHITTING ON SINGLE PAYER? TRUMP SAID HE'D GO TO SINGLE PAYER! HE SAID THE GOVERNMENT WILL PAY FOR EVERYTHING!
posted by Talez at 6:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Woah, let's not drag Canada into this healthcare debate please, Trump. As a Canadian, I love our healthcare system.
posted by dazed_one at 6:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


He's playing to the crowd like it's a roman circus.

it is a roman circus - wait till donnie gets his horse ...
posted by pyramid termite at 6:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I know he said "unless you hit by a truck," but I swear I heard "hit by a Trump."
posted by donatella at 6:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Dear U S of A
You know I love you to bits
Please don't fuck this up.

Also: we played the "womanizer billionaire with the funny hair" card 20 years ago, in Italy. We've been there. Didn't work out, guys. Like, at all.
posted by _dario at 6:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [52 favorites]


Based upon the current tenor of the debate, that Trump won't get more of a grip as the debate continues (he never does once he loses it), and that there will be more fallout tomorrow as more GOP members leave him, I don't see the final debate happening. He's already laid the groundwork for "the moderators are against me" so I'll think he won't attend. Anyone agree?
posted by bluecore at 6:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


The camera angle looks like Trump is sneaking up on her continually.
posted by Talez at 6:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


The 538 live blog indicates that senior GOP leadership wanted to see him contrite. Donald gave them the middle finger with this first half hour. He's unhinged, going with every attack line he's got.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 6:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


If you're drinking for every sniff you'd be on the floor now I do love how Hil tries to bring discussion back to policy, and FACTS
posted by jazon at 6:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


lol Anderson don't try to stump Clinton on health care she has been invested in this since before you were old enough to use scissors.
posted by winna at 6:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


He doesn't normally wear a ring, no.

(They don't make rings that small, etc.)
posted by mochapickle at 6:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


Trump's not wearing his wedding band. Does he normally not?
Couldn't find one small enough.
posted by jferg at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Does he realise he's just strengthened her support among the left? The biggest berniebro talking point against her is that she's secretly against single payer.
posted by frumiousb at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, Trump's hovering over Clinton is scaring the hell out of me, too. Gah.
posted by Westringia F. at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's using Bernie Sanders again. For who?????? Seriously??
posted by mhz at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


No, Donald, most Canadians don't go to the US for major medical procedures.

I was wondering about that, thanks.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


You're gonna have plans that are SO GOOD!
posted by ian1977 at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


YOU DID NOT JUST INVOKE BERNIE
posted by INFJ at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Potomac Avenue, I am watching this in a theater pub with about 500 people in freaking Alaska and there are exactly 2 dudes in the audience for whom this is working.
posted by charmedimsure at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [24 favorites]


Question is about Obamacare

HRC: Donald wants to repeal it, but I'm going to fix it in a serios of actions I've laid out to drive those costs down. When we talk about reigning in the costs, it wassn't just that 20M people got insurance when they didn't have it before, but everyone esle 170M of us who get insurance from our employesrs; no pre existing condition, no lifetime limits; women don't ahve to pay more, if you're under 26 you can be on your parents policy. I want to say what's good and what works, but we have to get costs down so they can afford to provide health insurance. But if we repeal it as Donald proposes we'd have to start all over again and lose all of those things.

TRUMP: It is what a great question I get this question alot. Obamacare is a disaster. It's going up like nobody's ever seen, it's only getting worse. Their method of fixing it is to ask for more money. Obamacare will enver work, it's very bad health insurance. IT's too expensive for people and for our country. We have to repeal it and replace it with someothing less expensive and something that works. We have to get rid of the lines around the states. Insurance companies want that because it gives monopolies. She wants to go a single-payer plan like Canada, if you notice Canadians come to the US because their system is so slow it's catastrophic in certain ways. HRC has been after this for years, Obama care is a total disaster. Your rates and deductibiles have go up.

COOPER:

HRC: We have an employer based system, and the ACA was put together to help people cant afford it, and then people who were working but didn't ahve them money for insurance. That was the approache ACA took. Now we've got $20M ppl with health insurance, but if we do what Donald wants it just gives it back to the insurance companies. So let's fix what's broken but not throw it away.

TRUMP: Sanders has said she's really not good that.

COOPER: You want to have companies to . ..

posted by petebest at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


Did he just check out her notes (while pacing around the stage)?
posted by druss at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


My 13 year old just said th a trump looked like a Weeping Angel that was sneaking up on Hillary so he could grope her.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [89 favorites]


@JeffreyGoldberg
The headline so far: Donald Trump threatens to throw his political rival in jail if he wins. This is what happens in dictatorships.
posted by chris24 at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [71 favorites]


Apparently the invisible hand does surgery now.
posted by uncleozzy at 6:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Anderson pressing for details from Trump on healthcare. Trump is going to feel threatened.
posted by klarck at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016


Oh, fuck, she is Iron Woman. (At his treatment.

But please understand how his ramblings are exactly what millions of people have been hearing for 25 years on whacko radio/TV.

Now she's making good points on ACA. But again Trumpkins who dont use ACA have just been hearing the propaganda he's spewing. Cooper trying to get him to give specifics.
posted by NorthernLite at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


trump doesn't have the first idea what he's going to have for a health plan
posted by pyramid termite at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Donald Trump said "Big Lie." Please, please, please, hit that back at him!
posted by mhz at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump:
1) Repeal Obamacare
2) ???
3) Everyone is happy!

Anderson Cooper:

So what's step 2?
posted by Talez at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [23 favorites]


wait how are we gonna have competition?
posted by sio42 at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016


uh so wasnt there another moderator
like from abc or something
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


He says getting rid of the state line reatrictions will create plans so good!
posted by sweetmarie at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016


Wow, he is totally using Bernie Sanders, trying to pander to a college student audience.
"You're gonna have plans that are so good..."
posted by Superplin at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Anderson Cooper is a fucking hero tonight.
posted by Flashman at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [28 favorites]


Anderson you will never get him nailed down on details. He knows NOTHING.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is really scary. She's making cogent arguments but she's not hitting the notes that matter in relation to the shit he's stirring. Moderators need to challenge his bullsh*t.
posted by freya_lamb at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Block grants are socialism, you orange asshole.
posted by vrakatar at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


"plans are gonna be so good"

This is the part where I feel like crying because Hillary gave a great explanation and Trump's answers are so simple.
posted by Tarumba at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: You're going to have the best health care plans

Cooper: How?

Trump: You're going to have the best health care plans.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [39 favorites]


I feel like I'm dreaming, or watching SNL, or dreaming about SNL or somthing. It's just unbelieveable that this is a presidential debate. Three months ago - hell, three weeks ago - I would not have believed that a debate could ever go like this. The interruptions, the Trump word salad, not to mention the tape.

(The ignoring the time limit & not answering questions is the most normal part of the debate though.)
posted by insectosaurus at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


An undecided Muslim? Really?
posted by entropicamericana at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [30 favorites]


Islamophobia: That's a shame.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm really happy about how much obvious flustered word salad spewing out of Orange's mouth.

This might be over, guys! It might finally be over!
posted by Drowsy Philosopher at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nobody understands this whole "abolish boundaries around the states" idea Trump mentions; I don't and I work in healthcare.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Hillary has the head tilt and facial expression of a social worker hearing out an unhinged client
posted by rmless at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [69 favorites]


"Believe it or not, Republicans believe very strongly in this. We're gonna block grant into the states, into Medicaid."
posted by Superplin at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


'You're right about Islamophobia and that's a shame.'
posted by box at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is he asking this Muslim woman to report people?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


ya know how a cat looks like when it is taking a shit? trump has that face a lot when Hillary is speaking. A cat taking a shit expression; appears thoughtful but is really just taking a shit.
posted by futz at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [70 favorites]


"Muslims have to report the problems when they see them"
posted by sweetmarie at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


How will Trump provide coverage for pre-existing coverage? With block grants.

I thought I'd restocked my evens, but at this rate...
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm just following this from all of your comments but it's giving me so much anxiety that I'm going to watch Starling and her kittens to calm down. Thank you all for watching so I don't have to. Go team Clinton.
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Motherfucker is sniffling up a storm.
posted by Burhanistan at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


YOU KNOW WHO ELSE SAID TO SPY ON YOUR NEIGHBOUR?
posted by Talez at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


He's now blaming Muslims for Islamophobia.
posted by RedEmma at 6:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [31 favorites]


For context, Canadians voted Tommy Douglas, the man who gave us single payer healthcare, the greatest Canadian.
posted by peppermind at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


I'm about 15 minutes behind :-( , but: they need to kick this audience out.
posted by jferg at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


mustlims have to report the problems when they see them???
posted by sio42 at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


@pattonoswalt
In extreme SJW terms, Hillary is guilty of "fact shaming" Donald. #debates
posted by chris24 at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [34 favorites]


He thinks Islamaphobia is bad now.
posted by Liquidwolf at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is really scary. She's making cogent arguments but she's not hitting the notes that matter in relation to the shit he's stirring. Moderators need to challenge his bullsh*t.

I think he's actually shoring up his position with conservatives.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016


How is this woman Muslim and also an undecided voter in this election cycle? I just don't understand.

(For context, Muslim woman asks about how candidates will help Muslim-Americans avoid being labeled as threats against the US)
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump's not wearing his wedding band. Does he normally not?

I've never noticed him wearing one on any occasion, so it's as missing as his suspenders or his fedora, I believe.
posted by rokusan at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Q: What are you going to do to stop Islamophobia?
Trump: Muslims are required to report on RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS
posted by J.K. Seazer at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


The next question is about islamaphobia.

Trump says we have to make sure when muslims come in they report when they see "problems".
posted by winna at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's convinced the undecided Muslim woman. Radical Islamic Terra.
posted by mhz at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


The problem is 'Islamophobia' you fucking git.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Q about Islamophobia. He is absolutely bombing the answer.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's very, very out of breath.
posted by postagepaid at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Islamophobia, boy, I don't know
posted by Torosaurus at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [24 favorites]


report, citizen, or we'll start a movement against muslims!

what a terrible answer
posted by pyramid termite at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Go outside, you look at Paris" where does he think he is right now...
posted by acidic at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


His word salad kind of sounds like the beginning of a bullshit paper.

"Before we answer the question of this essay prompt, we must ask ourselves: what is a prompt? What is an essay. The problem posed by this question is...well, it's a problem."
posted by Drowsy Philosopher at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [45 favorites]


"You're right about Islamophobia, and that's a shame, BUT [... we have to call out Muslims]"
posted by Theiform at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016


Good Ford, Trump is blaming Muslims for Islamophobia.
posted by Gelatin at 6:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


When I saw this woman in the audience I knew she would fluster Trump
posted by Countess Elena at 6:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Dear god, let someone in the audience say in response, "Okay, I'd like to report you, Mr. Trump, seeing as you're definitely a threat to national security"
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


This is just unbelievable. I knew rationally that it would be worse than the first one, but it's far worse even than I expected. I think he's losing and that's great and all but after this I need to vomit and then curl up in a ball for a few days.
posted by gerstle at 6:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"How will you deal with people like me [a Muslim-American] suffering the effects of islamophobia?"
"We have to make sure that Muslims report when they see things. Muslims have to report the problems when they see them, like in San Bernardino. If they don't do that... Orlando, San Bernardino, Paris."

And there's the old standard of how neither Clinton nor Obama will say "radical Islamic terror"--"before you solve it, you have to say the name."
posted by Superplin at 6:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


YOU KNOW WHO ELSE SAID TO SPY ON YOUR NEIGHBOUR?

The New York City Transit Authority?
posted by rokusan at 6:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [29 favorites]


Muslim lady: I'm scared of islamophobia

Trump: HILLARY WONT SAY RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM
posted by Tarumba at 6:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Didn't the FBI attempt to run a sting on a NY mosque by sending in someone acting shifty and their officer got turned in to the FBI by the worried, uh, parishioners can't be the right word, but those involved in the mosque?
posted by Lykosidae at 6:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


@LOLGOP: HOW IS THERE AN UNDECIDED MUSLIM VOTER?
posted by tonycpsu at 6:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [48 favorites]


He is leaning on a chair in the background.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]




"We've had Muslims in America since George Washington."
I love that she is pushing back hard against the othering.
posted by Superplin at 6:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [67 favorites]


COURAGE GERSTLE! WE CAN DO IT!
posted by vrakatar at 6:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


What... what's he doing to that chair?
posted by Don Pepino at 6:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump is appealing to his base. I don't think he's getting anyone else, but his base is going to be thrilled.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


"We are not at war with Islam" well said, Hillary.
posted by gingerbeer at 6:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


DO NOT TRY TO TELL ME THIS MAN IS NOT COKED OUT OF HIS MOTHERFUCKING GOURD.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [50 favorites]


petebest, thank you for transcribing full answers to questions! It's really helpful for people like me who can't watch right now.
posted by jason_steakums at 6:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump invoking Orlando to justify Islamophobia is the point where I totally lost it.
posted by ITheCosmos at 6:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


TRUMP: Trump we'l be able to take care of people without having to have insurance.

Q: With Islamaphobia on the rise, how will you help people like me when its on the rise

TRUMP: You're right, it's on the rise and that's a shame. But it's a problem and we have to be sure people report it when they see it going on, like San Bernadino. Muslims have to report problems when they see them. And there's a reason for everyting, if they don't do that it's a very situation for our country, if you look at and she won't say radical Islamic terrorist, to solve it you have to say the name. You have to say the name.

HRC: THank you for your question. I've heard this from a lot of Muslim Americans because they'res been a lot of divisive dark things said about Muslim Americans. We've had Muslims in American muslims in this country since George Washington. My vision is everyone has a place, if you work hard and contribute, that's what we want for our children and grandchildren. It's dangerous to engage in the demagogugic rhetoric from Donald. I've heard from people around america that people want to be included in our country.

It's also important that we have ISIS threat, and we should understand they have violent terrorists, and we are not at war with a religion. It's a mistake and ISIS want us to think that we're at war of a religion.

posted by petebest at 6:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [24 favorites]


"Before you solve it, you have to say the name."

That's actually a good line, in that it's very catchy and earworm-ready.

(So there's no way in hell he wrote that one.)
posted by rokusan at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016


Islamophobia is a GIFT TO ISIS. Thank you!
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


Wow. Yelling in the direction of a Muslim woman about radical Islam doesn't play well for this atheist sitting in her living room.
posted by xyzzy at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Clinton: "We are not at war with Islam. It plays into the hands of the terrorists to act as if we are".

Yes!
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [53 favorites]


I wonder if he's going to faint.
posted by mattdidthat at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton says we are not at war with Islam and it is a mistake to act as if we are.
posted by winna at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Raddatz is asking about the Muslim ban and whether Trump still supports it.
posted by medusa at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"If I had been President, Captain Khan would be alive today" [real]
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


No, he doesn't get to say "he would be alive today" about Captain Khan.
posted by Justinian at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [29 favorites]


Yes thank you for transcribing. And thank you everyone else who is live blogging/
posted by Jalliah at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016


"Answer the question."
posted by leotrotsky at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is just unbelievable. I knew rationally that it would be worse than the first one, but it's far worse even than I expected.

It's the moderators. They aren't reining in either of them. They need to cut off the mics as soon as time is up for either of them, and when Trump tries to interrupt Clinton. There should be zero tolerance for any of that.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I really didn't like that answer from Hillary. She was talking about using Muslims "as our eyes and ears", which was pretty much exactly the same thing that Trump said, only slightly more tactful.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


People in this bar screeeeeamed when he said Kahn would be alive today
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


""Many people saw the bombs all over the apartment in san bernardino." A complete and total lie. Never happened." "Trump is repeating internet conspiracy theories as fact." --@kurteichenwald
posted by zachlipton at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [30 favorites]


"Muslims have to report.... the problems when they see them."

I am honestly having problems even following what he is trying to say. It is just completely incoherent rambling.

And now just starts obsessing with "say the name!" again. I feel like I am watching a youtube video with random lines from his rallies spliced together.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


OH SNAP THERE IS ANOTHER MODERATOR
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump: "Why don't you interrupt her? You interrupt me all the time."
posted by medusa at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


"no answer the question" yay moderator!
posted by sio42 at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


he would have been alive today because i am cheeto jesus and i can resurrect the dead!
posted by pyramid termite at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump is doing this creepy chair-humping move right now -- just holding onto the back of the chair and swaying into it repeatedly. He really has all the physical mannerisms of a guilty toddler.
posted by ourobouros at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


EXTREME VETTING!
posted by Strange Interlude at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump: "Why don't you interrupt her?"

Maybe because she's answering the freakin' questions!
posted by No One Ever Does at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


BAN = EXTREME VETTING
posted by valkane at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016


"Captain Khan is an American hero, and had I been president at the time, he would be alive today."

That is so gross.
posted by Superplin at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [39 favorites]


"We don't know who they are, where they're from, what they did, as long as they love me!"
posted by J.K. Seazer at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"The great Trojan horse of all time."

I can't even. It's like Nazi Germany.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


Why are you interrupting me and not her?
posted by Sophie1 at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016


Did he just snap at her about asking a question? My roommate is choosing NOW to do the dishes. :/
posted by Drowsy Philosopher at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I will send her campaign $100 right now if she offers him a Kleenex.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


(The moderators seem to be trading off on managing questions one by one)
posted by rmless at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016


I adore that the moderators for this debate are at least more willing to push him to answer the goddamn questions this time around. Not always successful, but boy it's good to hear regardless.
posted by erratic meatsack at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


Nobody understands this whole "abolish boundaries around the states" idea Trump mentions; I don't and I work in healthcare.

It's the idea of removing state regulation of insurance policies to improve competition.

What would most likely happen (in the GOP free-market wet dream scenario) is that Idaho or some other small, relatively poor state would lower its insurance standards, insurance cos. would rush in, race to the bottom in offering cheap dogshit policies, and if you live outside Idaho and you bought an Idaho plan that doesn't cover you when you need it you're probably SOL because your primary recourse is to the Idaho commissioner of insurance, who is bought and paid for by the health insurers. Not that far from what happened in South Dakota with credit cards.

But it's incoherent on its face.
posted by holgate at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [25 favorites]


He should be failing a lot harder than he is.
posted by angrycat at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Moderators ask Trump to answer the question, yet again, like they have asked for every question so far.
posted by mochapickle at 6:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


'I believe in safe zones. I believe in having other people pay for them.'
posted by box at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


does he think that refugees just hsow up here on a plane in a day?
posted by sio42 at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Reader from the future : Trump just whined to the moderators about how his questions are hard

(correction, about being interrupted)
posted by Tarumba at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


God it is almost cathartic to see moderators doing their job and essentially saying"answer the fucking question, dude".
posted by windbox at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


Fine response from Clinton on Islamophobia. She addressed the question, stressed that unity is the key to security and pointed out that alienating Islamic countries strengthens fundamentalist terrorists.
posted by dazed_one at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016


He is ignoring the question even as the moderator asks him repeatedly to answer the question.
posted by winna at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016


I like the fact that the moderator just told Trump, "No. Answer the question." I just wish that the press had started talking like that a year and a half ago.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]



@LOLGOP: HOW IS THERE AN UNDECIDED MUSLIM VOTER?


How is there an UNDECIDED voter? In an election where the candidates are *this* disparate, how does there even exist a fencepost for people to straddle? There is no middle. I just don't understand how you can look at both of these people and think, "Well, that was a good point" about both of them.
posted by honeybee413 at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


This fidgeting, Jesus. That is not how a professional politician acts.
posted by uncleozzy at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm impressed with the spine the moderators are showing. Both of them have stopped Trump mid-rant to get a question in.
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


Hillary looks bored. This is like playing cards with my sister's kids.
posted by vrakatar at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [29 favorites]


Trumps is now claiming that the intake of Syrian refugees is the "great trojan horse of all time...hundreds of thousands of people coming in from Syria".

I mean, that's a blatant lie. It's closer to 10,000.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


10 to 65 thousand refugees - where does donnie get hundreds of thousands?
posted by pyramid termite at 6:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


https://www.cair.com/about-us/working-with-law-enforcement.html

Islamic groups in the United States already work with law enforcement.
posted by qcubed at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Extreme Vetting involves a lot of chairshots, tables, and is run out of a Philly bingo hall with Joey Styles.
posted by splen at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


The question question was approximately "What will you as President do to protect American Muslims"... Did Trump during his rebuttal walk this all the way around to internment camps again?
posted by at by at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Good on Clinton for saying most refugees aren't a risk.

Good on her, too, for calling out the Russians for their part.
posted by Gelatin at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


I have to say, these are the best mods ever. And the ones at this debate as well.
posted by valkane at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


"We are a country founded on religious freedom and liberty" !
posted by sweetmarie at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump: "Why don't you interrupt her?"
Maybe because she's answering the freakin' questions!


Oh, they're both dodging and redirecting back to attacks on the other instead of sticking to the questions.

It's just that she does it so much more eloquently.
posted by rokusan at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hilary is appealing to logic. We're doomed.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


We're a country founded in religious liberty.

Goddamn right.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


YES HILLARY! They're suffering! We need to help! Don't apologize! We'll take precautions but dammit we're gonna help!
posted by Talez at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


RUSSIA! She's now trying to bring it around to Russia, which is an interesting tactic. I also appreciate that there are 2 minute clock/timers in the background
posted by Torosaurus at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I adore that the moderators for this debate are at least more willing to push him to answer the goddamn questions this time around. Not always successful, but boy it's good to hear regardless.

The audio engineer ducked Trump's mic so the moderator could be heard in the last crosstalk. Good job, guys..
posted by mikelieman at 6:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


What was he pointing to?
posted by ian1977 at 6:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is just unbelievable. I knew rationally that it would be worse than the first one, but it's far worse even than I expected. I think he's losing and that's great and all but after this I need to vomit and then curl up in a ball for a few days.

I have been a politics junkie for decades. I've watched every debate since 1988. C-Span is my favorite channel. Politics are to me what sports are to other people.

And I feel like that's changed forever. This is no fun anymore. This is scary and disgusting. I've never watched a debate with such deep, gut-level fear for my country. I'm going to have to call in sick the day after election day, and if Trump somehow gets into the Oval Office, I think I have to figure out some way to move to another country. Canada's a long way from my home in Texas, but I can't live in the US if that man is the president. I'd be stressed out all the time.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 6:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [75 favorites]


he just nodded when she said "i think what he said was unwise and dangerous"
ha!
posted by sio42 at 6:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary on refugees: We are not carrying nearly the load that Europe is.

I love that. We need to bring in our share as a country.
posted by mochapickle at 6:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


How is there an UNDECIDED voter? In an election where the candidates are *this* disparate, how does there even exist a fencepost for people to straddle?
I don't think there are a lot of undecided voters who are trying to figure out whether to vote for Trump or whether to vote for Clinton. I think there are a lot of voters who are undecided about whether they're going to vote at all.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


Only one candidate is repeatedly arguing with the moderators and it's not Clinton. Is anybody besides his base even the slightest bit persuaded by his thuggish argumentativeness?
posted by at by at 6:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Why are you letting him respond?
posted by leotrotsky at 6:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump is not going to do well in the Monday morning fact checking. He's playing to his base, which doesn't care, but spinning yarns out of the fever swamps doesn't seem an effective strategy to broaden his appeal.
posted by Gelatin at 6:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I was against the war in Iraq. It has not been debunked. She went 25 seconds over her time."

This is madness.
posted by mhz at 6:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [23 favorites]


Hillary misses another chance to emphasize how long and arduous the refugee application process already is
posted by theodolite at 6:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Martha and Anderson for every debate, please.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


Trump: "She just went about 25 seconds over her time!"

Raddatz: "She did not."

Trump is even worse than I could have imagined this debate.
posted by Justinian at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [70 favorites]


Q: Is your muslim ban on, or off like Pence said?

TRUMP: She voted for the war. I wouldn't have had our people in Iraq, which would have saved Captain Khan. The imi . .

Q: Does the muslim ban still stand?

TRUMP: It's called EXTREME. VETTING. and HRC wants to allow a 550% increase over Obama, people are coming into our country and people are coming in and we don't know where they're coming from, and why they're here. We have states that are not carrying their weight but they have plenty of money. Hundreds of thousands coming in from Syria, and we don't know anything about them or their love for our country.

Q: Why take the risk of letting refugees in the country

HRC: There are a lot of refugees, women and children there are women suffering in this war, largely because of Russian agression . . we will have that vetting that is is as tough as it needs to be from experts and others, but it's important for our policy not to say we'll ban people on their religion. We're founded on religious freedom, how to do that without causing great distress in our country, are you going to give people a test? It's extremely unwise and dangerous, and a lot of the terrorist sites that use Donald's words to recruit fighters, and He has said he wasn't for the war he was.

TRUMP I wasn't

MR: There's been lots of reporting on that
posted by petebest at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


He's just laying the groundwork for a "the moderators were biased against me" spin the rest of the week. He's losing and he knows it. This is about who can he take down with him, and how much of the GOP can he take with him to TrumpTV.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Did he say "Extreme Vetting" involves districts? Didn't Neil Blomkamp make a movie about districts?
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


And again Bernie Sanders. Who is campaigning with her.
posted by mhz at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


The way that Trump is twitchily looming near HRC, and the clear loathing with which he says her and interrupts with attacks on her is an absolutely horrendous look for him.

And now--who's already rambled and interrupted NUMEROUS times--Trump whined that "she's gone 25 seconds over her time!"

HE IS SO IRREDEEMABLY DISGUSTING AND REPELLENT
posted by TwoStride at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


Is there going to be a bathroom break because I don't know how people twice my age can stand it, but
posted by Countess Elena at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Just a friendly reminder that Anderson Cooper interned at the CIA.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [42 favorites]


Who does he think he's winning dropping Sanders like that?
posted by No One Ever Does at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I like the fact that the moderator just told Trump, "No. Answer the question." I just wish that the press had started talking like that a year and a half ago.

I wish all moderators (and interviewers, and journalists in general) would do that to all politicians, of all stripes, all the time.

It's only exciting tonight because it's so freaking rare.
posted by rokusan at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


Hillary's doing fine. The first 30 minutes of this were the campaign imo. He didn't apologize and shat all over his Christian followers.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Memo to Kellyanne Conway. The shoutouts to Bernie don't work.
posted by mikelieman at 6:47 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump claiming [incorrectly again] that he has been endorsed by ICE.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


that's a lot longer than 25 seconds - why are they letting him do this shit?
posted by pyramid termite at 6:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


"She just went 25 seconds over her time." *proceeds to ramble on for several minutes*
posted by ckape at 6:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hilary is appealing to logic. We're doomed.

I think liberals really, really miss this, including in this thread. Hillary can be making the better logical arguments and still be doing worse because Trump knows how to play media appearances so well. It doesn't matter if you make the better argument as long as you make the argument better.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Wow, trump is bringing up drugs coming in from the southern border and tripling down on his anti-Mexican comments. This is really insane.
posted by rmless at 6:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I was against the war in Iraq. It has not been debunked. She went 25 seconds over her time."

This is Trump having a meltdown when he starts to lose the extreme privilege he's enjoyed his whole life.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


> Is there going to be a bathroom break because I don't know how people twice my age can stand it, but

They're not drinking as heavily as we are?
posted by Westringia F. at 6:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


tRUMP is a historic low point for america. This will be in the history books. His name will forever be equated with failure. His worst nightmare.
posted by futz at 6:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm sure Obama holds private opinions that may be more extreme than his publicly presented opinions. Thats what politics is, you represent constituents.
posted by sweetmarie at 6:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


he just nodded when she said "i think what he said was unwise and dangerous"

He's been nodding oddly thruout.
(Oops, forgot what else I wanted to say, the Bad Man is confusing me.)
posted by NorthernLite at 6:49 PM on October 9, 2016


"Is it okay for politicians to be two-faced" is an incredibly loaded question to choose from the online submissions.
posted by erratic meatsack at 6:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Is there going to be a bathroom break because I don't know how people twice my age can stand it, but

To be fair the candidates aren't pounding beers like the rest of us
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Glad they're questioning her on the "public and private positions" quote. That's fair.

They should ask her to clarify her "dream of a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders" now, too, to get ahead of the narrative.
posted by rokusan at 6:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Why does he look like he's smelling his own farts?
posted by cytherea at 6:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


The Jays/Rangers game is infinitely more informative about the issues than Trump. I'm glad I've got it on for whenever he speaks.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 6:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh my god, Lincoln strategy! Showing she can talk about it all.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


> Martha and Anderson for every debate, please.

What had they done to deserve that sort of punishment?
posted by at by at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


Cameraman has to do a lot of work following Trump as he ambles about and feels up chairs.
posted by No One Ever Does at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Donald looks directly into the camera. Suddenly there's a chill in my room and I feel all my hair turning white.
posted by mochapickle at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


he doesn't come across as professional at all. but i do wonder if his people think he's doing good?
posted by sio42 at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Please tell me she's doing better and he's doing worse than I think they are.
posted by The Card Cheat at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Earlier today, I posted a long, cathartic FB post that was addressed to my parents (without naming them) about how dangerous Trump is. A man that I've known since elementary school asked if he could share it because, in part, he's the father of two sons and Trump is everything he's teaching his sons not to be.

Reader, I cried. I cried happy tears because I really needed to be reminded that we (humans) are better than this. I have my happy little MeFi enclave, and I appreciate all of you, but I needed that real life boost because I haven't seen a single Clinton sign in person, but have to drive through a marathon of Trump signs.
posted by Ruki at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [82 favorites]


Trump essentially equated "extreme vetting" with a religion-based ban, negating the months of work that his campaign has done trying to separate "extreme vetting" as different and permitted by the constitution.
posted by zennie at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


no one but a fool believes that a politician would have an identical private and public set of thoughts
posted by pyramid termite at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


Hillary Clinton is putting the "private versus public positions" in the context of her having watched the movie Lincoln.
posted by winna at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Lincoln was a nice segue.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016


I just realized that I was in the old thread and was really impressed that everyone was just watching the debate and holding their thoughts until the end. Oops...926 posts missed.
posted by JennyJupiter at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [34 favorites]


Oooo she has gone there over Putin. I didn't expect that so explicitly
posted by Countess Elena at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


She really seems to be trying to draw him out on Russia
posted by Flashman at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


She's nailing this, and he's coming off as unhinged.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Shifting tack to Russia and tax returns, deflecting from Wikileaks.
posted by tetsuo at 6:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


They are ducking the mics to let the moderators interrupt.
posted by sweetmarie at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


By and large, the undecided voters, in my experience, are folks who know that they can't support Trump, but have some sort of major reservation about supporting Clinton, too. Most of the ones I've actually talked to on the subject, their reservations tend to be something in the many and varied lies that have been accepted as truths about her, but they're choosing to believe the lie over evidence of actual, consensual reality.

So basically, we have undecided voters because they believe the lies, but can see that Trump's a disaster.
posted by Archelaus at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Seeing him loom around HRC like this is fucking triggering, why the fuck isn't there a personal bubble zone to protect her
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


A friend is livetweeting Golden Girls episodes during every debate and I think he's got the right idea.
posted by phooky at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [23 favorites]


The more I see this man talk the more I despair for America, whoever wins. It reminds me of the tweet from
@Shvartacus in the last thread:
This election is like if your friends pick dinner and 3 vote pizza and 2 vote "kill and eat you". Even if pizza wins, there's a big problem.
I like Clinton a lot but I worry that she's not nearly enough.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [84 favorites]


"I don't know Putin."

Um, okay.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Blaming the lie on Abraham Lincoln"?? Was he even listening?
posted by J.K. Seazer at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


That Russian scare bit isn't working, and the segue into tax returns was clumsy.

She needs to engage less in the nonsense arguments and let him talk himself silly.
posted by rokusan at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016


Donald Trump thinks the audience is laughing with him.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Remember when Abraham Lincoln chopped down that cherry tree?
posted by XMLicious at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


I know nothing about Russia!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump: Maybe there was no hacking.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


He knows nothing about Russia.
posted by vrakatar at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016


WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT LINCOLN

Because Daniel Day Lewis is very handsome.
posted by rokusan at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]




The clearest indication of character is what people find laughable
J.W. von Goethe
posted by robbyrobs at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Will the 400 pound basement hacker appear again?
posted by tetsuo at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why does he look like he's smelling his own farts?

It's the smell of a man who just realized he will never be president and will go down in the history books as a despised, small, morally ugly human being.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump knows nothing about Russia! He knows about Russia, but...
posted by erratic meatsack at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


He just said he "knows nothing about Russia." Shouldn't... the President maybe know something about Russia?
posted by skycrashesdown at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [31 favorites]


I cannot parse his words.
posted by ian1977 at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Clinton beginning to ramble a bit when confronted with statements about having a "private and public position" on issues. Did not come off well.
posted by Room 101 at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016


I knows nothing about russia. Vote for me.
posted by valkane at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump: "I know nothing about Russia"

YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT, FOOL
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


Well I know which one of them is going to have the opportunity to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom, I tell you what.
posted by Lykosidae at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Look what she did! AGAIN! The question was about her weak spot, the GS speeches and saying there are "public positions" and "private positions".... AND SHE GOT TRUMP TALKING ABOUT RUSSIA.
posted by Justinian at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


oh snap i spilled water on the trumpbot my bad
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ok, he's fucking coked out of his gourd and it's completely obvious.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Now he's rambling about a post office?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Really, guy? You're going to bring up your own taxes?

Let us fact-check your "hundreds of millions of dollars" in taxes, please.
posted by Drowsy Philosopher at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


See how much better she looks the longer Trump keeps talking?

Run with that, team.
posted by rokusan at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


>wow like that was a harsh question for Clinton and trump is fucking it up SO HARD
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Just like in the first debate when the question was about her Emails and she got Trump talking about taxes! Clinton is a master and Trump is ridiculous.
posted by Justinian at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Weird bragging and wow he pays so much taxes...hundreds of millions.
posted by tetsuo at 6:52 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump just bragged that Clinton raised more money than he did.
posted by mbrubeck at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


This answer is absolutely inscrutable.

Maybe there was no hacking?
posted by No One Ever Does at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016


what a bullshit artist he is - he just lied about what she said about lincoln

post office? what the hell is that about the post office? did he help them out as a bankruptcy specialist?
posted by pyramid termite at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


He is seriously rambling, I can't even tell what he's trying to say.
posted by medusa at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm so terrified of the narrative tomorrow because Trump is not actively shitting himself.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


He is treating this like one of his rallies.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


They ought to remove the people making noise in the audience.
posted by Room 641-A at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


The question was about Wikileaks, and he is going on about his taxes and how he built a successful post office?
posted by Pink Frost at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016


"i pay hundred of millions of odllars in taxes" WHAT
posted by sio42 at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am in the middle of my public administration masters and keeping your private opinions from influencing public policy is like public administration 101
posted by Tarumba at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


yeah, we know your sheet, donnie. you are full of it.
posted by futz at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


HE PLUGS HIS DC HOTEL AGAIN.

And says five times he has no loans with Russia. Which in mirror-speak says he does. Bigly.
posted by mochapickle at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


Commercial break! Keep plugging that hotel, Donald.
posted by yeti at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why can't the IRS speed up its audit so that he doesn't have an excuse anymore?
posted by Drowsy Philosopher at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


he doesn't come across as professional at all. but i do wonder if his people think he's doing good?

I think the people he appeals most to don't care about professionalism whatsoever

I think they feel uber vindicated to see someone who thinks like them in power on a global stage saying all the shit they wish they could make people hear on a daily basis

There are hundreds of thousands of bullies living vicariously through him right now, and they'll come out to vote in droves to ensure that he is able to keep validating their existence and their atrocious beliefs until kingdom come
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [29 favorites]


'As soon as my routine audit's finished, I'll release my returns.'
posted by box at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump: "I pay hundred of millions of dollars in taxes".

Come on, dude. We all know that's a lie.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm beginning to believe that Trump's sniffing is his body subtly rebelling against his lies. I'm pretty sure that each time he lies, he inadvertently sniffs.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


These questions are so fucking stupid.
posted by asteria at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Jesus, I thought the NSA itself said that Russia was behind the hacking.
posted by Miko at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I know nothing about Russia, I know- I mean, I know Russia. But I know nothing about Russia." -Trump [real]
posted by Snarl Furillo at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


A friend is livetweeting Golden Girls episodes during every debate and I think he's got the right idea.

Trump is such a Stan Zbornak.
posted by drezdn at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


That Russian scare bit isn't working, and the segue into tax returns was clumsy.

Agreed.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm guessing the hotel in DC was a conversion of an old post office?
posted by Flashman at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


post office? what the hell is that about the post office? did he help them out as a bankruptcy specialist?

His DC hotel is the old post office.
posted by mochapickle at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm sorry I missed the lead-in but Trump's line "That's the big difference between Abraham Lincoln and you. [sniiiiiiff]" is something a SNL writer wished he'd written.

Oh yeah he's now claiming he's paid hundreds of thousands millions in taxes. So he's not smart any more? Or is this redefining smart?
posted by at by at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


This bit about the speeches isn't going well. Ugh. Trump is talking about her friends' tax deductions.
"I pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. As soon as the audit is done I'll be proud to release my taxes."
posted by Superplin at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


posted by Hermione Granger Seeing him loom around HRC like this is fucking triggering, why the fuck isn't there a personal bubble zone to protect her

YES. It's threatening and dominating behavior, he's trying to intimidate her and stay on camera as long as possible but I am wondering if he's going to shove or grab Secretary Clinton.
posted by mattdidthat at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


i cannot follow this and i'm not even drunk.
posted by sio42 at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


She's nailing this, and he's coming off as unhinged.

I don't know that I'd agree with the first part. Clinton is explaining get stances and answers. That's always come off as a negative except for non-supporters.

Sure, he's nuts. But she isn't hitting him well right now.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Here comes the tax return question. And Trump admits taking advantage of the tax code.
posted by Gelatin at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary needs those tax loopholes so people have extra money laying around to make negative ads on Donald trump.
posted by ian1977 at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's an hour in, his stamina is lagging and his sentences are becoming even more incoherent.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump: "Why didn't you change [the tax code] when you were a senator?".

Does Trump even know how the Senate works?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [26 favorites]


Why didn't that short-haired kid just ask "Mr. Trump, why don't you pay taxes?"
posted by valkane at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016


I don't think that a senator (nor a president) can unilaterally change the tax code.
posted by mhum at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Listening to this man makes me feel drunk because it makes no sense.
posted by winna at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just had a thought: does he sniff after he knowingly tells a lie? Maybe I just noticed it because he sniffed loudly after saying "I pay millions and millions of dollars in taxes."
posted by cooker girl at 6:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hilary should sticks to facts, and skip the Donald attacks, he can sink himself and otherwise it's just he said/she said.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


... I just dropped in on Frank Luntz twitter and focus group. Apparently Trump's winning at the half time mark
posted by Francis at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I just want Hillary to be more of a leader in this debate. She is not really taking the lead here. I want her to be bold and presidential, not get caught up in his arguments.
posted by Dr_Janeway at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


She could nail him right now, "well I didn't have unilateral power to change the tax code, Donald".
posted by tetsuo at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


The question is what would you do so that the wealthy pay their fair share, maybe he didnt understand and just spewed all of his taxes talking points. BIG LEAGUE.
posted by sweetmarie at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Trump Hotel is the Old Post office in Washington DC. But only people obsessively following politics and/or DC local news know that. Tens of millions of people think he was talking about people who deliver the mail.
posted by zachlipton at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


His base is lapping this shit up.
posted by bonobothegreat at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Why didn't she do it? Because there are 100 senators, two houses of congress and three branches of government, which you'd know if you ever cracked a civics book you fucking shitstain.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


across the land, twitter parodists and aspiring SNL writers are throwing up their hands in horror, deleting all their accounts
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Omg cnn closed captioning transcribed it as bigley!!
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


"If you could look at me"

who was he talking to?
posted by futz at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why does he look like he's smelling his own farts?

Trying to get every last little atom of cocaine that might still be on his upper lip...

Meanwhile, that rambling about "balance sheets" and "old post office" (about his taxes) was incoherent even by DJT standards.

The "I don't know anything about Russia" is gonna be a new attack ad by the end of the night...

And he dropped another "Bigly" referencing the tax cuts he's gonna offer.
posted by TwoStride at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Take a drink if you had "bigly" on your bingo card!
posted by donatella at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]




Trump's finding his groove now, he's much more relaxed and speaking freely. Unfortunately his comfort zone is some weird angry concussed grandad rant.
posted by at by at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


"We're cutting them [taxes] bigly."
posted by winna at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


You're doing it wrong, winna. You need to feel drunk because you are drinking.

Get with the program, already.
posted by rokusan at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: I don't understand how one senator cannot singlehandedly make every single change she wants. (essentially)
posted by No One Ever Does at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


It hasn't gotten gross, yet, kids. Will it happen?
posted by valkane at 6:55 PM on October 9, 2016


This is not the rout I wanted it to be.
posted by Superplin at 6:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'm trying to keep track and I can't - how will wealthy pay more in taxes? Carried interest, Clinton has been there, she's raising taxes, corporate tax cuts from 35 to 15%. Alternative reality.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:56 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump's tax cuts are not for the middle class. I hope she points that out.

...we have "no growth"?! I agree. This is madness.
posted by Gelatin at 6:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton: "Everything you've just heard from Donald is not true".
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Is Trump just wandering off, facing upstage with his head hung?
posted by J.K. Seazer at 6:56 PM on October 9, 2016


Listening to this man makes me feel drunk because it makes no sense.

I do my best debating drunk and I can barely follow him. He doesn't speak in complete sentences, much less coherent trains of thought strung together.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


That Russian scare bit isn't working, and the segue into tax returns was clumsy.

It worked because Trump stuttered about that instead of saying anything of substance about what (if anything) he could accuse her of in the Goldman Sachs emails. He just punted it, again. Delightful.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


There's 34 minutes left for it to get gross.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:56 PM on October 9, 2016


"I will cut them bigly." And English teachers all over the country cringe...
posted by SisterHavana at 6:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Ha! Anderson Cooper had to remind Clinton of what the question was, because Trump's response was so incoherent.
posted by Gelatin at 6:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


"His base is lapping this shit up."

They never needed convincing, the more he appeals to them the less he appeals to normal people
posted by Tarumba at 6:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


I wish Hillary would ignore his bs and repond to the questions like he wasn't there. Just don't even dignify his lies with the time needed to say they are lies. She isn't as good as he is at getting dirty and mean and she should steer clear from that altogether and just talk about how she is going to be a great president.
posted by rmless at 6:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [23 favorites]


"Big-league" not "bigly"
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 6:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


god, does he even know how to stand still?
posted by pyramid termite at 6:57 PM on October 9, 2016


Two unicorns, great minds think alike!
posted by cooker girl at 6:57 PM on October 9, 2016


ugh she's not really doing that great on the tax thing.
posted by sio42 at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016


I think in this case he actually said "big-league", which is at least grammatically correct.
posted by Captain l'escalier at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016


"I will cut them bigly." And English teachers all over the country cringe...

I think he's saying "Big league."
posted by Rykey at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I really feel like I should be liquidating all USD assets, abandoning my house, and moving to Tasmania or something.
posted by aramaic at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016


Apparently Trump's winning at the half time mark

Because he is LITERALLY not melting down right in front of us. He is rambling, incoherent and almost nothing he's saying is true and EVERYONE KNOWS IT. But he's winning, because....he's still breathing? No visible frothing at the mouth? COME ON
posted by triggerfinger at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [26 favorites]


Is he gonna crash off all that coke soon? Because that would be amazing
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE UNDECIDED PEOPLE? How is UNDECIDED even possible?

Here are a few. It was actually kind of interesting to listen to.
DecodeDC Episode 163: OMG, Undecided Voters!

posted by Gotanda at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's good she's saying the gains since the Great Recession go to the top, but I wish she'd have said that "cut taxes and regulations" never does work.
posted by Gelatin at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump's stance reminds me of Ralph Wiggum.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Remember there are huge line backer sized Secret Service guys there. If Trump starts getting physical, he's going to find himself restrained quickly.
posted by humanfont at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016


Every time the moderators cite "popular on Facebook" as a justification for a question, I die a little inside.
posted by rokusan at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [27 favorites]


Wait a minute, did he just admit to taking that $916m loss to avoid paying federal income tax?
posted by J.K. Seazer at 6:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


I pay tremendous numbers of taxes.
posted by mhz at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


he can't even stop himself from unspooling his canned responses
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016


I really feel like I should be liquidating all USD assets, abandoning my house, and moving to Tasmania or something.

They have some nice whisky distilleries now.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I will cut them bigly." And English teachers all over the country cringe...


Please, "bigly" has been in continuous use for 600 years.
posted by dilaudid at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump just admitted that he used the tax writeoff to avoid paying income tax.
posted by winna at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump's aggressive behavior seems to be supercharging Clinton. I've never seen her so passionate and it looks good on her.
posted by maxsparber at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


We have had a Trump piñata lying around, which my partner has been using as a prop on his book tour. Our cat Quark just knocked it over. I'm with her.
posted by carrienation at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


But maybe more importantly, Hillary has friends.

By his own admission, there is not a single person in this world that is actually his friend.
posted by Drowsy Philosopher at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I will cut them bigly." And English teachers all over the country cringe...

I think he's saying "Big league."


Still cringing, if that matters.
posted by bibliowench at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


i wish she'd not refute him so much
posted by sio42 at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016


Donald, please name one provision of the tax code that you would change besides 'carried interest'
posted by leotrotsky at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


J.K. Seazer: Wait a minute, did he just admit to taking that $916m loss to avoid paying federal income tax?

Yes. He said, "Of course I do."
posted by Superplin at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Anderson Cooper: "Can you say how many years you avoided paying taxes?"
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


I love depreciation! Some of my best friends are depreciation!
posted by Dr. Zira at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Except for the first 20 minutes or so, I think this has been a wash. She's not really countering his bullshit with the truth. I mean, she's trying. Pretty sure the big take-away, unless something happens, is going to be him threatening to jail her. Or just dominating the room.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Anderson asked point blank if Donald claimed a billion in losses to avoid federal taxes.
The answer: "Of course I do. Of course."
posted by mochapickle at 6:59 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump is in the sketchy phase of the comedown. He needs another line to make it through this thing. He can probably even feel his face again.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Why are the polls saying Trump is winning the debate?!
posted by orangutan at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm sorry I missed the lead-in but Trump's line "That's the big difference between Abraham Lincoln and you. [sniiiiiiff]" is something a SNL writer wished he'd written.

That Lincoln didn't lie! In case anyone missed it, he's confusing the myths about George Washington with those of Abraham Lincoln! ROFL. Lincoln built the log cabin (Lincoln Log toys), George Washington chopped down the cherry tree as a kid and openly admitted it because he supposedly couldn't lie.
posted by XMLicious at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump is hitting her with absolutely everything he can. She is UNFLAPPABLE.
posted by Talez at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yes, he did admit to not paying federal income taxes by claiming depreciation from his enormous business losses
posted by rmless at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


why didn't she do something about it? because your republican friends won't let her!
posted by pyramid termite at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016


Clinton quoting Reagan! "There you go again."
posted by leotrotsky at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


The one thing about this debate I NEED Clinton to say, "Donald, clearly you don't understand how passing a law works."
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Lady with glasses behind him doing some serious eye-rolling.
posted by tetsuo at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016


Clinton's never tried to do anything about health care in the last 30 years???
posted by No One Ever Does at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Anderson Cooper just asked how many years he has avoided paying federal income tax and trump said he loved depreciation.
posted by winna at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wait. Has it been "big league" all along?
posted by allthinky at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump just answered Anderson Cooper's question, "Do you use that loss to avoid paying federal income tax?" with, "Of course I do."

"Can you say how many years you avoided paying fed income tax?"

"No."

Then back to attacking Clinton. This is amazing.
posted by Snarl Furillo at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


"She talks about health care. Why didn't she do anything about it?"

The goddamn Republicans, that's why.
posted by Gelatin at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


Wasn't she first lady of Arkansas 30 years ago? How was she supposed to fix the tax code back then?
posted by ActingTheGoat at 7:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


"She's been in this for 30 years - why did she leave the taxes that way, why didn't she fix health care". I can't believe he went there.
posted by Measured Out my Life in Coffeespoons at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I do not think Trump realizes what he has just done thanks to that monster key bump.
posted by winna at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I wish she would say, "You don't seem to know how democracy works, Donald, one politician can't pass unilateral laws because this country doesn't need or want a despot."
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


"She talks about healthcare, why has she never done anything about it?" Because Republicans were asking her why she wasn't baking cookies!!!!
posted by antinomia at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


She really needs to start throwing some major punches.
posted by freya_lamb at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Under our Constitution, Presidents have something called veto power."

Civics 101, lecturer: Hillary Clinton.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [48 favorites]


Clinton: "30 years this, and 30 years that. So, let me talk about my 30 years in public service. I'm glad to do it".
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [46 favorites]


"Under our constitution, presidents have veto power."

And… now she can talk about her thirty years. Please finish it off with his 30 years of bankruptcies.
posted by mhz at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


He actually says bigly on twitter.
posted by mochapickle at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Loved how when he kept interrupting her she just smiled and folded her arms.
posted by No One Ever Does at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


veto burn!!! - trump is appealing to the ignorant who don't understand our government and that one senator can't do much by herself
posted by pyramid termite at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yes it has been "big league" all along. IT's a favorite phrase of his, just not something normal people say so it's been confusing.
posted by Miko at 7:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yes Hillary you need to step up!
posted by Tarumba at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016


we must drive him into the sea
posted by poffin boffin at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [56 favorites]


LOL he just answered, without prompting, and incorrectly, the "how does a bill become a law" question we've been dying to ask!!!
posted by acidic at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


She really needs to start throwing some major punches.

Donnie is just flailing. She's rope-a-doping.
posted by Talez at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Live-chatting with an overseas friend who is not big into US politics, but is watching the debate too because it's been hyped all over, I guess.

Her summary so far is that "That woman looks like the most fake liar I have seen on TV since George Bush, but that man is some kind of completely crazy clown, so I'm glad I don't have to choose!"

(In case you're wondering what an untainted view might look like.)
posted by rokusan at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


@JohnFPfaff

Prob being killed by refugee: 1 in 3.6B

Prob of being shot to death by a TODDLER: 1 in 13.7M
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [30 favorites]


And so we get to hear what Hillary has been doing overthe last 30 years. Thanks Trump, I guess?
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"She's all talk and no action." Trumps mirror drink
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


HOW ARE PEOPLE CHEERING FOR HIM?! I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


wow he said she did nothing.

and now she just is laying out all of her accomplishments.
posted by sio42 at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


You have to be able to get along with people. Burn.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


because your republican friends won't let her!

Last I heard, he doesn't have republican friends
posted by IndigoJones at 7:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


I wish Bernie's social media person would get on it and tweet "take that name out of your mouth"
posted by Countess Elena at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


They never needed convincing, the more he appeals to them the less he appeals to normal people

...I can't convince myself that the "undecideds" are normal people.
posted by bonobothegreat at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Why didn't I change it? Because I was a senator under a Republican president. We have something called a presidential veto in this country."

Now she's talking about what she's done. What's he done? The Apprentice, some failed casinos, and his name on a bunch of shitty products and gaudy buildings.
posted by Superplin at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Refugees. Good. But also, there is going to be some racist shit happening for the next few minutes.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I feel like Trump just majorly set her up to go through a list of her own accomplishments. She's got the last word, and it ain't a salad: it's a burger from the Heart Attack Grill.

Yes, I'm comparing her accomplishments with food. That's where we are in this election. Policies : food.
posted by Drowsy Philosopher at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am actually shaking. That man evokes such anger and disgust in me that I am physically shuddering.
posted by lydhre at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


It doesn't even matter if he "wins" this debate by the Frank Luntz metrics, he's down big even before Friday, the last 48 hours half the party disavowed him. He needs to pull a giant fucking Zombie Reagan in an Easter Bunny costume out of his ass to change the narrative, much less reverse the polls, and squeaking out a "win" where Hilary just played defense is not going to do that.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Again, trump is interrupting to ask why she didn't single handedly change tax code. Hillary is explaining all of her public service work in the last 30 years. She's coming off strong to us,, I don't know how it's going to play with undecided. Trump tried to rerespond to her response, moderator shut it down. Moving to Aleppo question.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Donald just pacing, not even thinking or taking notes, just pacing back and forth with a dour face.

... and pacing and pacing and now holding onto the back of his chair.

And back to pacing.
posted by porpoise at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's completely obsessed with getting the last word on everything.
posted by No One Ever Does at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


For anyone who can't bear to watch: She is doing great. The beginning was rocky, and Trump is doubling down on asshole-ness which is cringe-inducing. But she is staying cool and talking policy while he engages in his same-old conspiracy jerk-off-a-thon.
posted by windbox at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [35 favorites]



Wasn't she first lady of Arkansas 30 years ago? How was she supposed to fix the tax code back then?


You beat me to it. I never knew the first lady of Arkansas had such a monumental role in tax policy.
posted by SisterHavana at 7:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


After being told by Martha Radditz that they need to move on and he can't reply, he walks away in a huff LITERALLY POUTING so I'd say maybe it's a tie.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


Raddatz: "Mr. Trump, we're going to move on."

Somebody cut the man's mic. Please.
posted by Lexica at 7:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clinton's comments about Lincoln sounded like a prevarication. On the other hand, Trump couldn't recall basic civics lessons taught about Presidents in second-grade American public schools. She should be able to do better with the time left, I hope, because this is getting a little embarrassing.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 7:04 PM on October 9, 2016


"Why didn't you do anything about that as a Senator?"

Because a US Senator is literally ONE PERCENT of a governing body that has to decide things by majority?
posted by Rykey at 7:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


Last I heard, he doesn't have republican friends

he does - it's just hard to see them with the hoods on
posted by pyramid termite at 7:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [42 favorites]


Trump again stamping his feet and having a tantrum because the meany moderators aren't being fair, this time because they wouldn't let him respond to Clinton's response to Trump's response to...wait how many levels deep has this been?
posted by Room 101 at 7:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


The problem is Trump doesn't need to land a crushing win, he just needs to not completely lose as everyone expected him to going in. And frankly, he's succeeding. Clinton just isn't staggering him much.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Donald is making the loser L with his hand in response to Hillary listing her legislative and executive accomplishments.
posted by Lykosidae at 7:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wish he had gotten to answer on Syria first because now he can piggyback on her facts.
posted by tetsuo at 7:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Come on, Hilary, ask him whether or not he got his excellent degree in law from Trump University

Come onnnnnnnnnn
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


He gets distracted so easily. Whenever there's an opening any rational person would use to attack her actual weak points, he ignores it. Instead of challenging the "I have public views and private views" thing, he zooms right over to SHINY THING RUSSIA SHINY TAXES.

Just mind-bogglingly bad tactics.
posted by rokusan at 7:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I didn't mean to drink this much on a work night. :(
posted by goHermGO at 7:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


What are all those gestures he's making to the audience? Lots of pointing. It's happened a few times now.
posted by Superplin at 7:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's talking syria, and he's just thinking Brietbart, brietbart, brietbart, what would brietbart say?
posted by valkane at 7:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


The "rigged" rhetoric is going to be pushed insanely hard by Trump after his experience with these moderators, I think.
posted by erratic meatsack at 7:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I like that he's always interrupting her. And then saying he respects people.
posted by 922257033c4a0f3cecdbd819a46d626999d1af4a at 7:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yall this is going fine chill out
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [34 favorites]


posted by Sangermaine The problem is Trump doesn't need to having a crushing win, he just needs to not completely lose as everyone expected him to going in. And frankly, he's succeeding. Clinton just isn't staggering him much.

See also: Gore v. Bush debates.
posted by mattdidthat at 7:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


How can anyone not think he is a crazy person?
posted by schadenfrau at 7:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Oh, L for loser. That is actually slightly less terrifying for a presidential candidate to do than the fingergun I interpreted that as.
posted by ckape at 7:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


(In case you're wondering what an untainted view might look like.)

Unless this person has literally never heard of Hillary Clinton before tonight, I wouldn't call that view of her untainted.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [25 favorites]


i don't know how anyone can watch this and think that he should be president.

she speaks in sentences and stuff. and takes momentary thoughtful pauses.
posted by sio42 at 7:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


She needs to hit him with his failures. And hard. This is not the time to take the high ground, she's not in the White House yet.
posted by freya_lamb at 7:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


The problem is Trump doesn't need to having a crushing win, he just needs to not completely lose as everyone expected him to going in. And frankly, he's succeeding. Clinton just isn't staggering him much.

That was the expectation for the first debate. After that and the week of October surprises, he needed to do better. Especially for the week of October surprises to come.
posted by asteria at 7:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump needs a crushing win to attempt to avert the downward spiral that he's currently in because of the released tape.
posted by No One Ever Does at 7:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


This man improves his modern-day Mussolini impression every day. He has the physicality down.
posted by RedEmma at 7:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


It is very interesting - when Clinton goes into substance, she goes full wonk, with detailed policy positions. She *knows* this stuff. While Trump stares off into space and paces...
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump: "Russia is new in terms of nuclear."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


What a fucking piece of shit this man is. Sorry. But he is.
posted by valkane at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


He is literally proposing expanding our nuclear weapons program right now.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


new in terms of nuclear? Russia? Did I hear that right?!
posted by futz at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump: "Russia is going crazy with their nuclear program".

?????
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Please Mr Trump, tell us the specifics of the military and political situation in Syria.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016


Man I can't not hear Alec Baldwin when he talks now.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


The problem is Trump doesn't need to having a crushing win, he just needs to not completely lose as everyone expected him to going in. And frankly, he's succeeding. Clinton just isn't staggering him much.
Yeah, no. That is completely not the dynamics of the race right now. He needed to change the narrative from "the Trump campaign is bleeding out on the sidewalk," and it doesn't sound like this is going to do it. The media spin tomorrow will be about the cruel, desperate stunt with Bill Clinton's accusers and how Clinton didn't seem especially fazed by it. Unless there's some sort of earth-shaking October surprise, the Trump campaign will continue to bleed out.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [26 favorites]


"Russia is new, we are old and tired in terms of nuclear?" Have we tried acid-washing our plutonium?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


> "Russia is new in terms of nuclear."

I couldn't believe I heard that!
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


"We're arming people. They wind up being worse than the people."
posted by medusa at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Russia is new in terms of nuclear." Apparently he missed that whole "on a knife's edge of blowing up the world for 40+ years" thing.
posted by nathan_teske at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Can someone let him know that the Soviet Union was succeeded by Russia?
posted by Talez at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


My uterus is physically hurting right now, as if to remind me not to bring children into the world until this man is gone.
posted by corb at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [65 favorites]


A little-known fact about the United States Constitution is that the junior Senator from New York single-handedly controls the tax code.

Alexander Hamilton snuck this in along with the alternate eligibility clause for the Presidency.
posted by 0xFCAF at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [96 favorites]


Our antenna isn't great so every few minutes Trump turns into a gibbering mass of pixels. "He looks so much better that way! Even the tv itself doesn't want to hear this fuckweasel." - my husband.
posted by skycrashesdown at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


*Clinton pauses her listening to make a note on a notepad*

I would give anything to read her notepad right now
posted by workerant at 7:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


"Any time we take rebels we end up arming people."

Um, yes?
posted by winna at 7:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton campaign says it has two more earthshaking October surprises.
posted by hleehowon at 7:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


trump brings mic to mouth
hillary speaks
trump listens
he opens his mouth
spiders pour out
everyone screams
because spiders
snakes pour out
ew snakes
also screams
his words pour out
nobody knows what is going on
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [53 favorites]


"Mr Trump, let me repeat the question"

Bat flip
posted by mhz at 7:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [28 favorites]


I'm now watching on mute and reading this thread and a liveblog, and I don't understand why people are saying she isn't doing well or pulling him down. She doesn't need to, he doesn't seem to be making sense. He's meandering and told off how many times for not answering? From the screen she looks calm, with a sometimes stained patience, he looks... something. What did you want her to do, stick a foot out to trip him? Tackle him?
posted by seyirci at 7:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump talks, Hillary fills out her bingo card.
posted by erisfree at 7:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [33 favorites]


"Mr. Trump. I want to remind you about the question."
posted by J.K. Seazer at 7:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh no, she's losing it. She's like, trying not to double over laughing. HAHAHAH
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


He didn't answer the question. Why give him more time?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:08 PM on October 9, 2016


"Let me remind you what your running mate said."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Raddatz: "Let me repeat the question."
Audience: laughter.
posted by medusa at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


Listening to him is like trying to type a 120 character formula in an Excel cell. No fucking way can I figure out how to match the parens.
posted by klarck at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [59 favorites]


So Trump is pro-Assad. Wow
posted by Flashman at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


MR TRUMP LET ME REPEAT THE QUESTION. Digging the moderators tonight.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


PENCE FIRED
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Pence is so out.

"He and I haven't spoken, and I disagree."
posted by mhz at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [63 favorites]


ha! the audience laughed when moderator says "let me repeat the question"
posted by sio42 at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


He just said "Russia is new in terms of nuclear. We're old in terms of nuclear." I guess a generous interpretation is that Russia is new to anti-nuclear proliferation diplomacy???? But I. I'm pretty sure he also doesn't know what the Cold War was, so like. Who knows.
posted by Snarl Furillo at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump: "Russia is new... in terms of nuclear. We are old and tired... in terms of nuclear."

I guess, on the technicality that a chunk of their nuclear program only exists due to spying on the U.S. program, so it's like a half-year younger.
posted by at by at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


You disagree with your running mate...
posted by leotrotsky at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Donnie is not going to be happy at all after this debate. Raddatz is eviscerating him on this.
posted by Talez at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump just publicly disagreed with his own running mate. On live national television. In front of tens of millions.
posted by Justinian at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [38 favorites]


"I hate my VP" pretty much.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump seems to have lost Pence's cell phone number.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


When Trump spoke about how our nuclear arsenal was weak in comparison to Russia's, I just had a major Cold War flashback.

I have not had nightmares about the Cold War since 1996, and if I have them tonight I will punch Trump in the face.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Trump disagrees with Pence's statement on Syria!
posted by sweetmarie at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


All hail Martha Raddatz.

"You disagree with your running mate?"
posted by EatTheWeak at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [47 favorites]


"I haven't spoken with my running mate and I disagree!!" Maybe you should talk about Syria?
posted by chris24 at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Raddatz: Your running mate has a different stance on Syria: [describes]

Trump: Well, we haven't spoken, so...
posted by Rhaomi at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


DONALD TEUMP JUSTBSAID THAT HE DISAGREES WITH HIS RUNNING MATE
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


If Pence wasn't out the door already, surely Trump disagreeing with him in the middle of the debate will do something about that.
posted by zachlipton at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump on Aleppo: He [Pence] and I haven't spoken and I disagree.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Mods reading Pence's statement on ISIS to Trump.

Trump "I haven't spoken to him and I disagree"

!
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I don't believe Obama would be listening to you, now"
This is the second time he's alluded to some kind of (fake, obvs) bad blood with the Obamas. Early on he mentioned videos from the 2008 primaries. I don't get the story here. Aren't the Republicans arguing that one reason Clinton would be so terrible is that it would be a third term?

And now OMG he is saying that he doesn't like Assad but Russia is doing it right. What is this
posted by Superplin at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sure, I came here tonight having not spoken to my running mate about the things he said at a debate a week ago. That's a healthy team.
posted by uncleozzy at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


See also: Gore v. Bush debates.

Except Gore hadn't been unendorsed by large portions of the elected Democratic Party.

Trump's got 40% of the vote nailed down. He's apparently nailing that 40% down even further. Who's he converting here? Let's forget about the bullshitty 'undecideds' who will make up their minds based upon what they have for breakfast on November 8th.
posted by holgate at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Raddatz: Mr. Trump, let me remind you of the question.
audience: *laughter*
posted by Lexica at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump re Pence: "He and I haven't spoken..."
posted by Westringia F. at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait. Has it been "big league" all along?

Yes, though since it became a thing he now sometimes deliberately uses "bigly" in his tweets. I guess he thinks we find it endearing?
posted by rokusan at 7:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


BYE PENCE
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Pence is probably blocking Trump's calls now, to be honest.
posted by No One Ever Does at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


you know what? give him a second chance to show he knows nothing and has no plan.
posted by sio42 at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


So, wait. He's okay with Assad's regime with Russia bombing the shit out of Aleppo.

In a question about the humanitarian crisis in Aleppo.
posted by qcubed at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Honestly, they should just let him talk the rest of the night. He just digs himself in more and more and more.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Syria is no longer Syria, it's Russia."
posted by winna at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


As a PSA: the Vox bingo cards are interactive!
posted by Drowsy Philosopher at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think he's defending Assad. Really? Yep, sure enough...contradicting Pence...abandoning Alleppo...wow.
posted by TreeRooster at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016


The director keeps going to split screens while the Hillary cameraperson is resetting
posted by edeezy at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016


'What will happen if Aleppo fails?'
'It's basically fallen.'

Wha?
posted by leotrotsky at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


This is amazing. I would not be surprised at all if Pence drops out tomorrow. I've never seen anything like this.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


And 1:10 in and he's gone full goofball.
posted by tetsuo at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016


Oh, hey Trump, please to throw your running mate under the bus. I mean, turn about is fair play. (Re "I aren't talked to Pence about Syria, t I disagree with him.")
posted by instamatic at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016


Martha is EXPLAINING FOREIGN POLICY TO DONALD TRUMP.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [117 favorites]


Trump putting the mic up to his little arsehole of a mouth every time he thunks something that he wants to say.

This isn't reality TV, done, the moderators aren't going to let you cut in.

In a sane world. But, wow, that's apparently a pretty effective Pavlovian response to the moderators. Don't know if speaking over the mods when they concede or whether to burn some time would be more effective.

Mods sick and tired of Donnie not answering the question. HRC letting not-impressed/bored slip through, instead of the "smile through this" schtick.
posted by porpoise at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Moderator needs to take it back a notch, though. She's practically interviewing Donald right now, asking him followups in the middle of his response to the voter question.
posted by Room 101 at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


And now Trump is flatly disagreeing with his running mate. He's a mess, but Clinton is relying too much on attack lines and not enough on empathetically framed policy statements.
posted by kewb at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Should Raddatz be arguing with Trump? That wasn't a fact check, it was an argument Clinton should be making.
posted by Justinian at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


He doesn't know anything about Russia, except they've gone crazy with their nuclear program? And also somethingsomething Syria Mosul 200 generals endorsed me.
posted by rtha at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016


"How stupid is our country" Deplorables indeed.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Early postmortem: Donnie is all over the place, probably is on coke. Threatening Hillary with prosecution if he wins is the nutgraph. That is like what that nutjob in the Phillipines is doing.
posted by vrakatar at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump basically needs to get Hillary to admit to sending guns to Al Queda and ISIS to recover at this point.

Yes Clinton isn't going in for the kill because quite frankly she doesn't need to. Trump has already fucked himself over.
posted by vuron at 7:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is Trump actually portraying the carnage in Syria as Assad's war against Isis?

Apart from repeating "Clinton...disaster," Trump is completely incoherent.
posted by Gelatin at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh my god Martha Raddatz thinks he's a dumbshit. It's hilariously obvious.
posted by yasaman at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [42 favorites]


"Honestly, my running mate is a doofus."
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump re Pence: "He and I haven't spoken..."
The fact-checkers are going to rate that one true, though.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


"How stupid is our country?" - Donald J. Trump, 2016
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [29 favorites]


Clinton campaign says it has two more earthshaking October surprises.

Does that mean the first one was theirs?
posted by corb at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait, now Martha Raddatz is debating against Donald?
posted by J.K. Seazer at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Raddatz is now debating Trump. This is a shitshow. Hillary is just letting him go all stupid.
posted by Talez at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


"I think Aleppo has fallen." Yep, he's proven his potential for working the global stage. Yep.
posted by at by at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Moderation - it's a thing!
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I love how she keeps pushing for specifics and he just vomits verbiage.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"tell me what your STRATEGY is". he has none.
posted by sio42 at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's totally incoherent.
posted by medusa at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump has the same knowledge of military strategy that I gained from playing Risk a few times ten years ago.
posted by 0xFCAF at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Clinton just watching as Trump burns.
posted by No One Ever Does at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I pretty much worship Martha Radditz rn
posted by triggerfinger at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


But this is where Donald mansplains Hillary's job to her. Because he doesn't know anything about Russia but is an expert on Middle East policy.
posted by rtha at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


I think that the difference between the low expectations before and now is that before, he had the whole GOP behind him.

Now, he has Michael Steele playing drinking games with his sniffles. In August, he was defending the nomination.

He needs to do so, so much more than not literally shit himself onstage. A lot has changed in the past couple days.
posted by Sequence at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Love these moderators tonight. Exasperated and not taking any shit.
posted by sweetmarie at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


All week is going to be him blowing up on Raddatz now. It's going to be so ugly.
posted by zachlipton at 7:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


Moderator: "Tell me what your strategy is."
Room, here: *laughing so hard we scared the dog*
posted by Torosaurus at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


Trump is advocating political assassination. Martha asks in a tone of extreme skepticism "tell me about your strategy."
posted by winna at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump going on about "doing things secretly," Hillary remembering the night OBL was killed.
posted by kewb at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Syria is no longer Syria, it's Russia."

That's another awfully sharp sound bite. Let's hope he's wrong.
posted by rokusan at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Remember when Russia and Iran killed Osama Bin Laden after the US screwed up by blabbing their plans to do so all over the place? Oh wait...
posted by SisterHavana at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Raddatz: "Secretary Clinton can you give a real answer as the adult in the room?" [fake]
posted by Talez at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


So much for a town hall format. When was the last audience question, again?
posted by Mister Fabulous at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


And now Trump is debating Martha Raddatz while Clinton looks on with a "can you believe this?!" expression.
posted by Gelatin at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I haven't spoken to [Pence]. I disagree with him [on Syria]." Raddatz then hammered him on Aleppo, asking him, "What will happen if Aleppo falls?" He finally said, "It basically has fallen." He pretty clearly doesn't know who controls Aleppo. God bless Raddatz for making that clear.
posted by Snarl Furillo at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


he does not have a fucking clue as to what is going on in syria and iraq
posted by pyramid termite at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


Moderator needs to take it back a notch, though. She's practically interviewing Donald right now, asking him followups in the middle of his response to the voter question.

Everyone in that room deserves a chance to do that to him, TBH

It lets HRC supercharge in the meantime
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


What was the over-under on the use of the word "disaster"?
posted by fuse theorem at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump seems to be dry humping his only remaining brain cell.
posted by futz at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


It was linked in the other thread, but Kellyanne tweeted a picture of Trump on his plane today and she said he was on the phone with Pence in the picture. So, uh, he hasn't talked to him.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Well looks like sometime since the last debate somebody told him that General MacArthur is dead.
posted by ckape at 7:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I want to see "Handcarved Madness from Salem" create this mind-destroying image.

trump brings mic to mouth
hillary speaks
trump listens
he opens his mouth
spiders pour out
everyone screams
because spiders
snakes pour out
ew snakes
also screams
his words pour out
nobody knows what is going on

posted by Gotanda at 7:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


So he's basically shooting shit over a beer. She needs to talk about her ACTUAL strategy for anti-ISIS actions in Libya and Europe. She has this.
posted by freya_lamb at 7:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


That's another awfully sharp sound bite. Let's hope he's wrong.

if he can find either country on a map on which literally every other country on earth is pre-labeled i will cook my own motherfucking leg and serve it to hannibal lecter
posted by poffin boffin at 7:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [43 favorites]


Hillary is giving Turkey the middle finger in this debate talking about arming the Kurds.
posted by Talez at 7:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


Now he's losing it
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:14 PM on October 9, 2016




He got like 5 minutes and he flipped out over her getting a minute?
posted by No One Ever Does at 7:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


What kind of question was that? The audience questions are dumb, non-specific platitudes.
posted by Justinian at 7:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Watching with my 8 year old beside me, he's taking notes. He says to me, "I feel bad for Donald Trump because he cannot answer a question." (during the back and forth with Raddatz)
posted by danielleh at 7:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


he opens his mouth
spiders pour out


I would very much prefer this over the things actually coming out of his mouth.
posted by Archelaus at 7:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [33 favorites]


Trump whining about moderators being biased again.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


What a fucking piece of shit this man is. Sorry. But he is.

There's no reason to apologize for that. He's a total piece of shit.
posted by octothorpe at 7:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


Sorry, what does "We'll give economics to people" mean? I have this vision of him passing out college textbooks...
posted by skycrashesdown at 7:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


well, hillary's got a plan - i really think we should probably walk away from this mess, but at least she knows something
posted by pyramid termite at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016


Man, this debate of Hillary against the CNN.com comments section is really interesting. When does Trump come on?
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


He complains after every question. He is absolutely framing this as a victim.
posted by Superplin at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm pretty sure the sniffing is him being out of breath... just standing there... talk about stamina.

If you remember, Trump's Mirror says that all of Donnie's focus on H's health is likely because he himself is concerned about being attacked on health or stamina issues.

So maybe we are seeing some of this surfacing. As Donnie himself would say, who knows?
posted by flug at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


i am the peeple
give me
teh economics
all of them
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


Bill fucking Kristol: The Republican nominee is effectively pro-Russia, pro-Assad and pro-Iran.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [46 favorites]


Can you be a devoted President for all the people? - worst debate question ever, or most terrible debate question ever?
posted by 0xFCAF at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


Question is "Can you be a devoted president to all of the people? " what the hell kind of softball is that? Couldnt have tagged racial harmony on that?
posted by sweetmarie at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump: "I will be a president that gives...economics to people".

What?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


What the heck kind of question was that?

"Can you be a devoted president to all of the people in America?"

That passed the screen? What were the questions they rejected?
posted by rokusan at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [41 favorites]


Trump has been saying "if I'm President", Clinton has said "when I'm President". Words matter.
posted by peppermind at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Raddatz came back sharp with "you had MANY answers" to Trump and Anderson intervened to moderate the tone.
posted by winna at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Will you be president for all people?

TPP! Clinton lied!
posted by leotrotsky at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Would you represent all Americans?" - African-American audience member.

"Blah blah NAFTA worst ever." - Trump.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


I swear I've heard high school class president speeches more coherent than Trump's stream of consciousness.
posted by Room 101 at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I love the blacks!"
posted by valkane at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I mean it's, you know it's, I've been saying
posted by ian1977 at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump: "I will give economics to people."

What does that even mean?
posted by dazed_one at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Something about the gold standard?
posted by winna at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary is giving Turkey the middle finger in this debate talking about arming the Kurds.

There's a comprehensible strategic shift there that might be wrong, but it's a concrete idea at least.
posted by fatbird at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's answering the question "can you be president to all of our people" with TPP and NAFTA.
What?
posted by Superplin at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh my god, "what do you have to lose" again.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016


'You go into the inner cities and you see.'
posted by box at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016


That's untrue, shit is very useful.
posted by contraption at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


What was that about osmosis?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Dang, he can't say Latino without following up with Hispanic. See! See! Iearned something.
posted by Measured Out my Life in Coffeespoons at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trump: "The inner cities are 45% poverty. Education is a disaster. Jobs are essentially nonexistent".

Trump has been playing too much Fallout. He can't tell the difference anymore.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


"also known as the Hispanics"
posted by Flashman at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Where is the GOP with a hook cane to pull Orange off the stage?
posted by tofu_crouton at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Um. Is Trump going on about inner cities because a black man asked a question?
posted by Miss Scarlet with the Candlestick in the Lounge at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [81 favorites]


C-SPAN split panel; weird thing where Don's waving right hand is in HRC's frame and it's like he's slapping her over and over again.

Just happened again. And it keeps going on?
posted by porpoise at 7:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"She calls a large group of our people deplorable."

WHAT YOU LITERALLY JUST CALLED THE ENTIRE COUNTRY STUPID LIKE NINETY SECONDS AGO
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [33 favorites]


Donnie sure likes to say disaster.
posted by vrakatar at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Charlamagne Tha God @cthagod: I kind of feel sorry for Hillary. This is like Lebron having to prove he's a good player by playing Peter Griffin in a game of one on one.
posted by joedan at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [44 favorites]


Trump said "what do you have to lose, it can't get any worse."

Oh yes, yes it can.
posted by winna at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


So much for a town hall format. When was the last audience question, again?

Yes. I don't mind the "please answer the question" attempts to keep them on point, but the followups and followups that veer ten miles and twenty minutes away from the original audience question?

That's undermining the format a lot.
posted by rokusan at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


He mentions the inner city cause the guy asking the question is African-American. Because in his mind, that's where African-Americans live. Ugh.
posted by tuesdayschild at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [40 favorites]


"Donald talks a lot about the 30 years I've been in service. I'm proud of that."
posted by J.K. Seazer at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


If you're drinking everytime he sniffs, you should probably call an ambulance
posted by Torosaurus at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


Moderator: What will you do in this situation?

Trump: Everything is terrible.

Mod: Yes but what would you do?

Trump: EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE!
posted by dazed_one at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [26 favorites]


TRUMP LIVES IN THE INNER CITY.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


What do you have to lose? Elect Donald if you want to find out.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


WHAT WITH THE INNER CITIES
YOU LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CITY
THE WHITE HOUSE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A CITY
YOU WANT TO GO THERE
posted by zennie at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [25 favorites]


"Can you be a devoted president to all of the people in America?"

The fiendish beauty of that very vague and open-ended question is that it caused Trump to belly up to the all-you-can-eat word salad bar.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [37 favorites]


One of the headlines on msn.com is "Trump Informs Clinton That He Will Try to Have Her Jailed".
posted by Slothrup at 7:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


"also known as the Hispanics"

He's so proud of that new thing he learned.
posted by rokusan at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


If lack of jobs is an issue and he's such a great business man why has he not been heading up a mass job creation programme before *stumbling* into politics.
posted by freya_lamb at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016


10:17
TIME FOR THE TRAP
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is anything in the United States not the worst disaster ever?
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


She's nailing this answer - connecting in a way Donald can't.
posted by Emmy Noether at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary bringing it full circle referencing the first question asked!
posted by sweetmarie at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Wow, good save, Hillary. I thought you had totally forgotten what his question was until you pulled the questioner's word "devotion" back into it.
posted by Room 101 at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Can I say I love Hillary's outfit and I am also jazzed that she's not wearing a flag pin. It's high time someone broke that stupid chain.
posted by Miko at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [42 favorites]


I am actually pretty impressed with the mods this time around. I think it must take two mods to keep Trump on track. They are really following up well tonight.
posted by instamatic at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


'Teachers and parents are calling it the Trump effect.'
posted by box at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


What was that about osmosis?

That's how he's going to learn what he needs to know, apparently
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Children listen to what's being said, to go back to the very, very first question."

Translation: Hillary Clinton pays attention.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 7:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [28 favorites]




what I'm praying for is that at some point she metaphorically or literally turns to the camera and screams ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? THIS MAN WILL GET US ALL KILLED! I FUCKING MEAN IT!
posted by angrycat at 7:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


Please please please say

"at this point, I think about 90% of the remaining" are deplorable
posted by mhz at 7:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


He just looks like Alfred Hitchcock loafing about onstage.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I wish she'd just ask him a basic geography or civics question. What is the capital if Syria? How many branches of government are there? What does NATO stand for?
posted by leotrotsky at 7:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Nice answer to this insane question.
posted by dilaudid at 7:19 PM on October 9, 2016


Can't wait to hear donald's comment on Ethiopia.
posted by futz at 7:19 PM on October 9, 2016


She's bringing up the Trump Effect among children. YES.
posted by Superplin at 7:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


Major rumors swirling in real time, right now that @mike_pence has asked 2 be removed from the Presidential ticket. Historic Wow. #debate (real tweet, journalist at the Atlantic)
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [38 favorites]


It lets HRC supercharge in the meantime

surely her limit break meter is full now
posted by murphy slaw at 7:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


Trump has been playing too much Fallout. He can't tell the difference anymore.

Everyone likes the Brotherhood for some reason. Maybe it's the fancy armor or the big talk or all the military trumpetry.

But they smell like fascists to me.
posted by rokusan at 7:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


she said she's not against his supporters, she's against him.

good answer.
posted by sio42 at 7:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [27 favorites]


Clinton walking back the 'deplorables' thing: "My argument is not with his supporters, it's with him and the divise campaign he has run".
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hell of a good response to the"deplorables" question. See, Donald, that's how you pivot.
posted by kewb at 7:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


I am really disapppointed that HRC didn't hit back that all African Americans don't all live in wartorn inner cities...

That said, HRC is showing ability to recall questions from the start of the debate, which I feel is throwing shade at Trump's inability to even stay on track for 2 minutes.
posted by TwoStride at 7:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Again with the incorrect murder stats.
posted by tetsuo at 7:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"She has tremendous hatred in her heart." Trump's mirror, drink.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [42 favorites]


Trump: "We have a divided country... look at the inner cities."

What?
posted by No One Ever Does at 7:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Another big old smile, I like that. But I wish she had gone in on deplorables
posted by Countess Elena at 7:21 PM on October 9, 2016


"She has tremendous hate in her heart."

The Trump Mirror, ladies and gentlemen!

Edit: jinx!
posted by leotrotsky at 7:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


"If a leader doesn't have [discipline]…"

Ha ha! They brought up his sex tape tweets.
posted by mhz at 7:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


"There was not take a look at a sex tape"
posted by sweetmarie at 7:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


She has tremendous hate in her heart? WTF...coming from him.
posted by fluffy battle kitten at 7:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


@GroverNorquist:
OK.
It has now been one full hour.
Not one comment on Obama/HIllary's FDA war on Americans who vape. They threaten Prohibition.
Focus.


It's like they're not even trying for the reddit votes.
posted by bibliowench at 7:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [39 favorites]


I'm getting increasingly fed up with the way they both keep talking over the moderators saying "your time is up".

"She has hatred in her heart." WHAAAAAAAT.
posted by Lexica at 7:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


She needs to bust out some stats. Why will she not show him up?
posted by freya_lamb at 7:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: literally awake at three in the morning
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"This country cannot take another forty years of Barack Obama."
posted by winna at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016


OMG, Donald still thinks that the problem with his 3 AM tweet was that he was sending it at 3 AM!
posted by J.K. Seazer at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [23 favorites]


"I won't even mention that," he mentioned
posted by Red Loop at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [31 favorites]


Holy shit Pence sticking the knife in deep if that's accurate
posted by vuron at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


In Trump's defense, "Sex Tape Benghazi" would make for an excellent band name.
posted by nathan_teske at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


Benghazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzi again.
posted by futz at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"She has tremendous hatred in her heart..."

...said the rapist about the Sunday School teacher.
posted by vverse23 at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [69 favorites]


Trump: "We have a divided nation. We have a very divided nation... she has tremendous hate in her heart."
posted by at by at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016


he jstu pivoted to benghazi from machado from a question about discipline

omg
posted by sio42 at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


He says Machado "isn't a girl scout."

I'm a girl scout (adult assistant troop leader).

GIRL SCOUTS AGAINST TRUMP!
posted by jeoc at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [52 favorites]


Carrie Fisher confirms what we all knew: Donald is on coke tonight.

@carrieffisher tell me something about that sniffle...coke head or no?

@reimamy I'm an expert & ABSOLUTELY
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [92 favorites]


In the end he's just so weird.
posted by tetsuo at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Tweeting happens to be a modern form of communication."
posted by medusa at 7:22 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why does he keep namedropping Blumenthal? Most people have no idea what he's referring to.
posted by No One Ever Does at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Wow. Just wow. Deflecting a question about why you're tweeting about sex tapes in the middle of the night by attacking Clinton for (apparently?) not answering a phone during Benghazi.
posted by Room 101 at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


k he literally just said he didn't say anything about a sex tape

he's a Bloom County punchline come to life to threaten us
posted by skycrashesdown at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Did he just pivot from "check out sex tape" (which he denied) to Benghazi?
posted by zachlipton at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump on social media: "It's an effective form of communication and I'm not unproud of it."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


She needs to bust out some stats. Why will she not show him up?

Because Trump is busy having a tantrum in real time on national TV. When your opponent is self-destructing you look like the adult in the room and you shut the hell up while they're doing it.
posted by Talez at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Benghazi! That's bingo!
posted by [expletive deleted] at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


Major rumors swirling in real time, right now that @mike_pence has asked 2 be removed from the Presidential ticket. Historic Wow. #debate (real tweet, journalist at the Atlantic)

Chris Christie: "YES, My Dark voodoo spells have finally come to fruition!"
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump: "We have an increase in murder...the biggest increase in 45 years".

This is a total lie. The murder rate is at a 51 year low.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [52 favorites]


"I'm not unproud of it."

I am so unproud of this nation right now.
posted by rokusan at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [44 favorites]


Trump is "not un-proud" of tweeting.
posted by winna at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


If Pence is off, who's next? Maybe somebody should call Hannity.
posted by uncleozzy at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ugh. He's talking about Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi. I follow someone on Twitter (@lollardfish) who's actually related to Stevens, and his attitude toward Trump on this matter is pretty much "take his name out of your mouth forever".
posted by Lexica at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Mansplaining Twitter now. Where are my evens?
posted by emelenjr at 7:23 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Just dropping in to say I cheered out loud when Martha stepped up to Trump on his rambling bullshit on military strategy. I think she's really losing her patience, but I don't blame her one bit.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 7:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


He's not unproud of it? I have to be wrong on that one.
posted by futz at 7:24 PM on October 9, 2016


Oh lord, please don't take credit for Bill Clinton stumbling into the Internet boom. Icky.

He got lucky and he's not running, remember?
posted by rokusan at 7:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Nice discipline with the moderator there, Trump.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:24 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump fixated on his follower numbers. Just now, dropped how he has 25M followers on twitter and facebook. Earlier, mentioned how he has rallies with 25-30K attendees.
posted by mochapickle at 7:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Moderators are losing control - both candidates talking over them.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:24 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump will do wonders for Disney's buyout of Twitter. Maybe TWTR goes up a few ticks with this endorsement - if so, they'll be the only ones happy about this debate.
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:24 PM on October 9, 2016


Contrary to expectations, Trump has been less unhinged in this debate than the first one.
posted by Flashman at 7:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


They need to be able to cut the mics.
posted by No One Ever Does at 7:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


G'day, mate.
Thank you for calling Sydney's Boom 'n All
Australia's largest supplier of
fertilizer and fertilizer supplies.
If you are calling due to
vague attention to
an American Presidential Debate
.
.
.
Go fuck yourself
BEEP
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


Audience question: "What would you proritize in selecting a SCOTUS justice?"
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:24 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Okay, I think this goes without saying, but this guy is completely lacking in internal consistency.

They ask him if he wants to apologize for the birther thing. He does not. It was right to pursue it. But Clinton should apologize for starting it.

They ask her what specific changes she'll make from Obama's policies on -- something, I have already forgotten b/c trauma. As she's answering he interjects EVERYTHING! Half an hour later he says the U.S. can't take four more years of Obama's policies.

I just. I mean. Pick a lie and commit to it. My brain is going to explode.
posted by gerstle at 7:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Oh lord, please don't take credit for Bill Clinton stumbling into the Internet boom. Icky.

He got lucky and he's not running, remember?


The electorate doesn't care about nuance.
posted by Talez at 7:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clinton bobbing up and down even before the Court question was finished, she's so excited to start on her answer.
posted by rokusan at 7:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Why does he keep namedropping Blumenthal?

Anti-Semitic dogwhistle
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 7:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [123 favorites]


I'm getting increasingly fed up with the way they both keep talking over the moderators saying "your time is up".

I'm fed up with people obsessing on this. It's normal. I don't know if you've ever moderated a panel, but only the timekeeper is really focused on the time. There has to be the 20 seconds' grace to let people finish their thoughts. It's fine. It's okay. They say it to let the speaker know the time's up, just like you might hold up your hand or show the yellow card, and they know to wrap up. It's not a huge deal. This isn't a game of Perfection. The moderators are good about moving on. Let's concentrate on what they're saying.
posted by Miko at 7:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [84 favorites]


Why does he keep namedropping Blumenthal?

Anti-Semitic dogwhistle. Seriously.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 7:25 PM on October 9, 2016 [45 favorites]


To be fair, Blumenthal is not exactly a great person. But it makes no sense as a non sequitur.
posted by rokusan at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016


Supreme Court justice that sticks with marriage equality!
posted by sweetmarie at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Have we ever, in the history of America, seen a campaign that was so heavily dependent on gaslighting as Trump's campaign?

Anyone who's ever had someone in their life lie to them in this way, telling them that things they know to be true are not true, that things they know happened never happen -- this has to be hugely stressful and painful. I've only had a little of that kind of abuse in my life, so I can hardly imagine how it feels for others who have struggled with abusive people like this for years.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [38 favorites]


Hilarious: screencaps of Black audience members not having any of Trump (source: FB).
posted by TwoStride at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Anti-Semitic dogwhistle

Kellyanne Conway: "No he's just a big fan of The Producers and got the name wrong" [fake]
posted by Talez at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh Hillary, please mention the Trump SCOTUS appointee that de-endorsed him this weekend.
posted by klarck at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Contrary to expectations, Trump has been less unhinged in this debate than the first one.

No, just no.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


When was the last time we didn't have a Vice President in an election? 18 something
posted by mrzarquon at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Why does he keep namedropping Blumenthal?


Because he's legitimately kind of a prickly figure, I think.
posted by Drowsy Philosopher at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Mr. Trump, why were you tweeting about sex tapes at 5 in the morning?"
Trump: "Benghazi!"

His body language and confrontational, red-faced fury is making me physically uncomfortable. I don't understand any woman who could imagine themselves debating him and not feel uncomfortable, that it would actually feel unsafe.
posted by areaperson at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


The contrast between their demeanor, presentation, and coherency is astounding. Trump visibly can't control himself- he quite literally can't restrain himself from speaking for more than a few seconds after he hears something he doesn't like, so for sure let's give him the keys to the Minutemen- or form a coherent thought. Clinton would win this even if she was barely competent, but she still brought her biggest, baddest game. I really love her right now.
posted by Snarl Furillo at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


I also want a supreme court that doesn't side with moneyed interest.
posted by valkane at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


@GroverNorquist:
OK.
It has now been one full hour.
Not one comment on Obama/HIllary's FDA war on Americans who vape. They threaten Prohibition.
Focus.

It's like they're not even trying for the reddit votes.


The FDA rules on e-cigs are actually pretty shitty and not helping anyone, and not particularly evidence-based, but I'm pretty sure this is one of those things that's a low enough priority policy-wise that it isn't even on Obama's plate, let alone Hillary's.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:26 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Her answers are too long and convoluted. Her point is usually only half-made when they cut her off for time.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh lord, please don't take credit for Bill Clinton stumbling into the Internet boom. Icky.

That's a very unfair characterization of the economic expansion under Bill Clinton. It was not just "the internet boom" at all. He deserves plenty of credit for sound economic policy.
posted by spitbull at 7:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Trump: I'm looking to appoint judges in the mold of Scalia.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


derelection of duty on not appointing the scotus!
posted by sio42 at 7:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Great to see Martha Raddatz struggle to keep the grin off her face when she thanks "Both of you." She is really doing a tremendous job under terrible circumstances.
posted by Gotanda at 7:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Scalia died recently? EIGHT MONTHS AGO YOU HUMAN CHEETO.
posted by Talez at 7:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


@BayoumiMoustafa
I'm a Muslim, and I would like to report a crazy man threatening a woman on a stage in Missouri. #debate
posted by chris24 at 7:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [106 favorites]




Has Trump mentioned someone by name that isn't Jewish? I think I asked this last time, and it's disgusting to have to do it again.
posted by mollweide at 7:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump: "I am looking to appoint judges in the mold of Justice Scalia".

*vomit*
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


SUPREME COURT NOMINEES AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE "BEAUTIFULLY REVIEWED" YOU STUPID MANBABY
posted by TwoStride at 7:27 PM on October 9, 2016 [26 favorites]


"beautifully reviewed" judges? he has 20 of them?

what?
posted by sio42 at 7:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bingo? More like Wordwang
posted by humanfont at 7:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


"Justice Scalia, a great judge, died recently."

FALSE: He was terrible and it was forever ago but the Senate refuses to do its job.
posted by ckape at 7:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [52 favorites]


...does he know how many people are on the Supreme court?
posted by Torosaurus at 7:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Are judges "beautifully reviewed"? How... how does he think this works? Does he think Senate confirmations are beauty pageants?
posted by mhum at 7:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


re: sniffing=coke --- do they not do drug testing for political office? I seriously am asking. I don't know. You have to pass a drug test to work at, like, half of retail jobs... do they not screen candidates?
posted by The otter lady at 7:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


I hope someday we get to see the notes that Clinton is taking during these debates. I have a feeling that they're full of profanity and exclamation points.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 7:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


He wants to pick justices like Scalia and has twenty of them picked out.
posted by winna at 7:28 PM on October 9, 2016


"Why don't you put 10-20-25 million into your own campaign?"

"-Because I don't have to?"
posted by mhz at 7:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


She was so close! She talked about not wanting a Supreme Court that will take us backwards. She should point out more strongly that Trump wants to change things by going backwards.

Then again, Trump promising more Scalias won't appeal to anyone but hardcore conservatives. He already has them, even without the Second Amendment lies; does he really not understand that he needs to go beyond his base to win?
posted by Gelatin at 7:28 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump talking about judges on his shortlist who are "very beautifully reviewed by just about everybody"

He can't talk about people without sounding like he's talking about a new casino.
posted by littlegreen at 7:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Clinton, Lord of the flies

One fly
posted by Greg Nog at 7:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


The Donald's got 20 Supreme Court justices "beautifully reviewed" and ready to serve.

Given his history with beauty reviews, this horrifies me in ways that I could never have imagined possible.
posted by at by at 7:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Question on justices, Trump asking why Clinton didnt put her own money in to pay for her campaign...
posted by sweetmarie at 7:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


My husband is having a terrible time with fall hay fever and just blew his nose loudly, then apologized for the noise.

"No, keep doing it. Trump is talking."
posted by workerant at 7:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why does he keep namedropping Blumenthal?

the focus groups didn't respond as well to him shouting HEIL HITLER
posted by poffin boffin at 7:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [69 favorites]


I researched Sidney Blumenthal. He was one of the witnesses dring the Lewinsky incident.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why is he talking about money for a question about SCOTUS?
posted by Gelatin at 7:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]



If Pence is off, who's next?


Pretty sure "Hole" is next one up.
posted by drezdn at 7:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Her answers are too long and convoluted. Her point is usually only half-made when they cut her off for time.

No, they are appropriate in length and content. The bar has been so lowered that anything more than "pithy soundbite" or "gotcha sick burn" is too much for the collective attention span. It's pathetic.
posted by witchen at 7:29 PM on October 9, 2016 [82 favorites]


WAR on COAL here we GO!
posted by vrakatar at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Lol the dastardly EPA
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


energy

trump - "i'm going to do another bump as soon as i'm off stage!" (fake)
posted by pyramid termite at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016


The last question is a dumb one about fossil power plant job loss.
posted by winna at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016


Are these beautifully reviewed justices anything like binders of women?

Binders of justices?
posted by Otherwise at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump: "Energy is under siege by the Obama administration"

Homer Simpson: "In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


For a counterpoint to MetaFilter's strong reaction to everything that gets said: I walked into the hotel where I'm staying and over to a bellhop who was watching it on the big screen. "How's it going, is it a bloodbath yet?" I asked. "Naw, just a regular debate, they're arguing back and forth," he said. Brought me back to reality. Much as I can't stand ingesting debates like this without you, MeFi, not everyone has as much context as we do. To some people, this looks like more of the same bullshit, not the end of the world.
posted by gusandrews at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


Now that it's winding down, I'm doubling down on HRC's hair. There was a 3/4 side shot of HRC sidescreened with Donald's nylon weave and it was such a stark difference.

It is an extraordinarily good job by her stylist(s). They deserve a medal. She has absolutely amazing hair.
posted by porpoise at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [34 favorites]


Can anyone parse what he's saying?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Energy companies are going to pay off the national debt?
posted by Sangermaine at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton's last (?) answer coming up. Over/under on a Machado-style surprise?
posted by Rhaomi at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016


Did this guy in the red sweater not know he'd be on television?
posted by Flashman at 7:30 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


re: sniffing=coke --- do they not do drug testing for political office? I seriously am asking. I don't know. You have to pass a drug test to work at, like, half of retail jobs... do they not screen candidates?

Hell no ! Only working class people are subjected to that sort of crap.
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [68 favorites]


Scalia died recently? EIGHT MONTHS AGO YOU HUMAN CHEETO

Eh, I'll give him that one, it's about how people refer to actual deaths they've experienced. Eight months is recent. That's like the only correct thing he's said.
posted by corb at 7:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Please mention that Trump bought that Chinese steel, please please please.
posted by tetsuo at 7:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [35 favorites]


The local solar company that I currently have engaged and are about to pay $51,000 would disagree that the EPA regulations are killing jobs.
posted by Talez at 7:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


>Did he just check out her notes (while pacing around the stage)?

Oh, he's just checking out her SUPERSECRET SUPER-ILLEGAL CUSTOM PODIUM TELEPROMPTER - hadn't you heard about it?

FWIW when the Trumpists bring up the "rigged podium" argument again as an excuse for Trump losing this debate, you can point out the Trump was roaming all around the podium and looking it up and down himself right during the debate. So why didn't he catch her right then & there and reveal her cheating on national TV for everyone to see?

Of course, that is assuming that Trumpists are open to reason and logic, which is probably a vain hope . . .

And actually, since Trump avidly follows & believes in all the conspiracy theories himself, I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if he is actually scoping out the podium right now on the podium conspiracy in mind, in hopes of catching her red-handed with the rigged podium. Yeah, he's just about that dumb/gullible.

posted by flug at 7:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I have seen some people (mainly men) do a big sniff when they were feeling smug or trying to look confident.

Oh man, I just remembered an African American comedian doing a bit years ago about the "cool sniffle". It's hard to get across in print, but he would do a cool gangsta kind of voice and punctuate each line with a quick nasal inhale, and it was funny because it made you realize it was this weird, affected thing that guys really did when they were trying to sound cool. Could it be that Trump isn't a yuge cokehead after all, but he's doing a cool sniffle??

(Anybody who remembers who did that bit, please help me out! I tried Googling it but nothing came up.)

I just pray that no matter how badly Trump implodes, he doesn't bow out so Pence can step in. Trump says evil things in a comical way, but Pence says them in a way that too many people think sounds reasonable.
posted by Ursula Hitler at 7:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Keep mentioning swing states, donnie.
posted by vrakatar at 7:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Speaking as someone who is heartsick at driving through the mountains that have been flattened to get to coal, fuck the coal industries.
posted by winna at 7:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [23 favorites]


re: sniffing=coke --- do they not do drug testing for political office?

You're adorable, but no, those rules are only for the little people.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 7:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


you wanker, donald, our energy companies are going out of business because the price is low and the cost of extraction is too high

what an idiot
posted by pyramid termite at 7:31 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clean coal?!?! What about the communities affected you idiot!
posted by freya_lamb at 7:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Drinking God-awful cheap swill. I tried to find a local watch party. No luck. Surviving this kind of a 'debate' really requires a watch - party.
posted by Katjusa Roquette at 7:32 PM on October 9, 2016


It seems he missed the portion of the question referring to "environmentally friendly."
posted by notaninja at 7:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Should Trump really be bringing up what people are doing to minors?
posted by tonycpsu at 7:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


EPA isn't putting miners out of work. Automation is and has been for 40 years.
posted by Measured Out my Life in Coffeespoons at 7:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


"All you have to do is go to three states that I absolutely need in my column to win" [fake]
posted by EatTheWeak at 7:32 PM on October 9, 2016


Oh good, a question on energy policy to wrap up the debate.

This is such a weird thing, such a strange mélange of formal debate and... whatever the hell Donald Trump is doing. Reality TV outtakes. I dunno. It's weird.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Every time he goes on about clean coal, I want to fling turds at him. But you know, clean poop... Pristine PoopTM.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Well that was ... very interesting" —Clinton

I didn't think I could laugh during this nightmare but she got me.
posted by theredpen at 7:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [42 favorites]


CHINESE STEEL yes i'm glad she brought she it up.
posted by sio42 at 7:32 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Clinton talks to the people who ask the questions. I'd be curious to see how they feel about her directness vs. Trump's bloviating.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


War on Coal= Drink!
posted by sexyrobot at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Whoa, where'd that steel from China thing come from?
posted by lkc at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Eh, I'll give him that one, it's about how people refer to actual deaths they've experienced.

for people who have experienced the death of a loved one, maybe. for an inexplicably animated shitstain on the yfronts of the galaxy it's just the usual stupidity.
posted by poffin boffin at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


> Please mention that Trump bought that Chinese steel, please please please.

ARE YOU A WIZARD
posted by rtha at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [90 favorites]


He's being calm mostly. It's a good performance for him. Most of the "answers" are folding back to new and old stump speech points, but he's not screeching or anything.

Clinton is arguing that Trump does and is bad things, but it's not news. So it mostly doesn't land. She needs to talk in depth about the answer - doing that with the energy question, explaining how to move to clean/renewable without doubling down on oil.
posted by petebest at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


> Please mention that Trump bought that Chinese steel, please please please.
posted by tetsuo


Wish - granted.
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Holy fucking god my entire twitter timeline is fucking exploding in delight about "Ken Bone"
posted by Greg Nog at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Clinton's last (?) answer coming up. Over/under on a Machado-style surprise?

She must have something, because she's been less prepared than I expected. Or maybe it's just harder to control the narrative in this format? Not sure.

It's really not seemed like an audience-driven debate at all. The audience just supplied the narrators with a few words to work from, like improv theatre.
posted by rokusan at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


i swear she was tryig to not laugh when she said 'we have a lot of natural gas'
posted by sio42 at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary's at her best when she's directly addressing and engaging the questioner. eg "you're in the business, right" or "you're a teacher, aren't you"
posted by klarck at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]



So his big attack Hillary on the Bill thing was pretty much a whole lot of nothing?
posted by Jalliah at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm kind of worried here guys. I think he's exceeded expectations. Not the first half hour, but after that. He's horrible and has no answers to anything, but given the exceedingly low bar that was set for him, I think he's just about met it.
posted by zachlipton at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think trump is really chuffed with his EPA answer. He kinda did a rooster strut. poor poor pathetic cheese puff.
posted by futz at 7:33 PM on October 9, 2016


I really love how she speaks directly to the questioner and checks for understanding in her answers.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


Obama has expanded pipeline infrastructure within the US to the extent that has been described in non-partisan financial press as the equivalent of ten Keystone XLs, to help move all the domestic crude oil we are extracting here to our refineries. There is no war on fossil fuels, certainly.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 7:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


"We're producing a lot of natural gas"

Most of it is standing right next to you, Secretary Clinton.
posted by mattdidthat at 7:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Hillary is killing it with this answer on energy.
posted by bonobothegreat at 7:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Name a positive thing that you respect in one another.
posted by sweetmarie at 7:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


CARL BECKER FOR VP
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow, I did not see that coming. OR THAT ANSWER, DAMN
posted by Countess Elena at 7:34 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Did this guy in the red sweater not know he'd be on television?

He has a name, you know. It's Ken Bone.
posted by chococat at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Hillary's at her best when she's directly addressing and engaging the questioner. eg "you're in the business, right" or "you're a teacher, aren't you"

Seems contrived to me, but maybe my cynicism to scotch ratio is off a little.
posted by rokusan at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Name one positive thing about your opponent." Great last question after this swamp of a debate.
posted by Blue Meanie at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


HAHAHAHAHA WTF IS THIS QUESTION
posted by triggerfinger at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Q: Can you say something you respect about the opposing candidate?
Hillary: Ehhh... I respect his children!
posted by J.K. Seazer at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Her answer is she respects his children...
posted by sweetmarie at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


CARL you beautiful bastard
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Don't compliment his children, they'll use it later when they run.
posted by tetsuo at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Okay, that's a genuine curveball.
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016


You have to pass a drug test to work at, like, half of retail jobs... do they not screen candidates?

I pointed out in a previous thread that Trump has most of the red flags just from his personality traits that would deny a regular person a security clearance. I don't think the Founding Fathers anticipated we'd be this dumb.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Campaign denying Pence rumours, per Ashley Parker
posted by Devonian at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016


Last question: name one positive thing you see in your opponent.
posted by dazed_one at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016


Oh FFS what a bullshit last question. "Name one positive thing you respect in one another."
posted by Superplin at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is absolutely the stupidest question ever. It's what do you respect in your opponent.

Hillary said she respects his children lol.
posted by winna at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


his lizard children?
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Internet Favorite Ken Bone
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:35 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Name a positive thing that you respect in one another.

"Donald has...er...very sensible taste in shoes, I guess."
posted by Sangermaine at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


My jaw is on the floor from this question. I love it.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


That's a very "undecided voter" kind of question.
posted by Small Dollar at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


(they didn't anticipate the Cold War and CIA either natch)
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016


Clinton's answer was the "My biggest weakness is I care too much" of this debate. The only good thing she has to say about Trump is to praise people who were raised by other people.
posted by Justinian at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


He has a name, you know. It's Ken Bone.

Okay now y'all are just messing with me, right?
posted by rokusan at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


wait you guys are kidding right

they weren't actually asked that question
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Carl is my hero!

Great answer from Hillary, bringing in family, even if they are Of The Corn.
posted by mochapickle at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Doesn't someone have a law that if a politician says they're not going to resign three times, they're about to resign?
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


She really seems to be trying to draw him out on Russia

I suspect that's aimed at peeling off older Republicans who remember the Soviet Union and who must be pissed off that Russia is interfering in our election, and who may also be dissatisfied with Trump's response to Russia's actions in the Ukraine and Crimea.
posted by homunculus at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


hmm, kids was a good answer. she said that his kids being so loyal says a lot about him.

i mean honestly, that's better than anything i can say.
posted by sio42 at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [25 favorites]


I'm worried that Trump, when he says what he admires about Hillary, is going to say that he admires that she stayed with Bill and that's going to open the door to mentioning his very special guests. :(
posted by mudpuppie at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016


And I'm at the point where I'm having hallucinations of him ripping off his own jaw and stabbing himself in the dick so I looked away for mental health reasons.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hillary doesn't quit.

You're goddamn right!
posted by leotrotsky at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


Frankly, that was a good answer by Trump to end it.
posted by mhz at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [34 favorites]


He actually gave her a legit compliment.
posted by ian1977 at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [32 favorites]


What I respect most about Donald is. .the children he has admitted to not helping to raise
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Should she have let him go last on this?
posted by freya_lamb at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton is arguing that Trump does and is bad things, but it's not news. So it mostly doesn't land. She needs to talk in depth about the answer - doing that with the energy question, explaining how to move to clean/renewable without doubling down on oil.

Again, she doesn't really need to DO anything here, except not fuck up. Trump was down decisively Thursday. Then his world exploded in his face and the Republican party was debating how to force him off the ticket THREE HOURS AGO. Clinton needs to stay alive for this debate. She needs to give competent, non-insane answers within the bounds of normal political discourse. She needs to not fall for his Bill's past baiting. She's done that.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:36 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


Trump's answer on the last question was probably the most honest thing he's ever said.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [23 favorites]


Headline

TRUMP ON CLINTON: "SHE'S A FIGHTER"
posted by zennie at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Q: Would either of you name one positive thing that you respect about the other?

HRC: I respect his children they are incredibly able and devoted. I don't agree with anything else he says or does, but I do respect that. I believe that this election has become so conflict-oriented, so intense, because there's a lot at stake. We're going to be choosing a president that's going to set policy for 4-8 years and there's a lot at stake. That's why I've tried to put forward specific policies and plans, I hope people will check on that for themselves.

TRUMP: I consider the comment about my children as a compliment, I will say this about HIllary, she doesn't quit and she doesn't give up, and I respect that. I disagree with much of what she's fighting for, but she does fight hard and she doesn't give up and I consider that to be a very good trait

END OF DEBATE
posted by petebest at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [37 favorites]


His "Hillary isn't a quitter" answer is total Trump's Mirror once again, given the giant elephant in the room.
posted by zachlipton at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


trump endorses clinton
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [28 favorites]


Holy shit he answered a question. Directly. Must be exhausted.
posted by uncleozzy at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Is it just me or did he just make the case for HRC's 2016 win? This election, man.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


I keep seeing that elephant's tail so I guess I disagree with Hillary .
posted by firstdrop at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Now that it's winding down, I'm doubling down on HRC's hair. There was a 3/4 side shot of HRC sidescreened with Donald's nylon weave and it was such a stark difference.

It is an extraordinarily good job by her stylist(s). They deserve a medal. She has absolutely amazing hair.


I've always wondered why someone like Trump, who presumably have access to the very best stylists and makeup artists. I got a hint to the answer in one of my favorite romance novels. This is something I wrote to friends in an email a couple days ago:

I have always wondered how a public figure of his stature can look so bad. I’ve observed this phenomenon in others as well. Surely he has access to the best stylists, the people who are most expert in hair and skin hair, in styling and coloring. Why can they not make him look better?

I think I have a hint of the answer, and I got it from a romance novel by my fave, KJ Charles. In one of her books, A Gentleman’s Position, a valet named David Cyprian acts as a “fixer” for his boss and his boss’s friends, a bunch of Victorian men who love men. An ill-advised, sexually explicit letter has fallen into the hands of a bad guy, who is threatening the men involved with exposure. They turn to Cyprian for help, and he starts mulling the problem over.

“Have you ever noticed,” he says, “that Lord Maltravers’ collars are always just a bit too tight, and too tall to be flattering?” The gentlemen are all like, “What could that possibly have to do with anything?”

Cyprian says, “It tells you that his valet doesn’t like him, and that he can’t be bothered to listen to the advice of men who know better than he does.”

This is insightful (and Cyprian’s understanding of Lord M’s character does indeed contribute a great deal to getting the fellows out of the jam they’re in).

And can’t you just see it applying to Trump? This is a man who has said that he wouldn’t need advisors because he’s a pretty smart guy. So it’s entirely possible that he overrides any good advice he gets on the subject because he sees himself only through his own very fond eyes.

But I also realize that my question, “Why can’t the best stylists money can buy make this man look good?” assumes that they want him to look good. But if they don’t like him, would that necessarily be their goal? How hard would they try to override his bad decisions?

You can learn a lot from romance novels.
posted by not that girl at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [163 favorites]


HRC's compliment to his kids is brilliant 'cause he clearly did practically none of the parenting. She basically complimented him for staying out of it.

And, hilariously, he knows it.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [51 favorites]


Another debate watched and still haven't put my head in the oven. I'm the real winner here.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [29 favorites]


I wish she'd have said "his tenacity."
posted by Miko at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


No, that last questions was good. It was arguably a "healing" question.
posted by bonje at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


*handshake after debate*
posted by petebest at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donald: She's a fighter, she doesn't quit, and she doesn't give up.

Good answer, Don.
posted by mochapickle at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Rookie move, Donald. When extolling the virtues of your opponent, never have that be the last word out of your mouth.
posted by Room 101 at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


I have a lot of respect for Trump's kids also. They're really amazing, so lifelike and they hardly ever glitch at all. I'm glad to see that technology is finally taking us out of the uncanny valley. So close!
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [35 favorites]


She's a fighter and she doesn't quit.
Sounds hella presidential to me.
posted by Superplin at 7:37 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Clinton admires Trump's children and Trump admires Trump's children. At least they agree on something.
posted by at by at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


ooh, handshake - now hillary's got to get shots
posted by pyramid termite at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016


Tie?
posted by Flashman at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016


What I respect most about Donald is. .the children he has admitted to not helping to raise

I don't respect them any more than him. Except maybe Barron. We'll give him the benefit of the doubt still.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ok, so I have to wonder if this was a setup along the lines of the VP debate. Are we going to wake up tomorrow morning with a massive drop that totally refocuses this debate.
posted by instamatic at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


It didn't get gross! But he's gross!
posted by valkane at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Mic drop to Hilary. Genius.
posted by freya_lamb at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


GOODNIGHT EVERYONE ENJOY THE BUFFET!
posted by vrakatar at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I never thought I'd say this but Trump's answer to that last question was much better than Clinton's, which came off a little passive aggressive.

Even a broken clock, yadda yadda.
posted by rokusan at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Question: Name something good about each other.

HRC: I see good things in Trump's children.

Trump: I agree.

(He does go on to praise Clinton's tenacity, which is probably a bigger concession than she made to him.)
posted by Gelatin at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


That was the most coherent thing he's said the entire election cycle.
posted by fluffy battle kitten at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


He shook her hand and then patted her back. Donald Trump loves to grope women.
posted by mattdidthat at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump did well and may get a bump out of this.

I'm going to go vomit now.
posted by angrybear at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


My Trump-supporting father: 'well, you were right. Hillary ate his lunch.'
posted by box at 7:38 PM on October 9, 2016 [42 favorites]


I literally just peed while scrolling my iPad one-handed so I wouldn't fall behind. My thanks to those of you brave enough to watch this for me.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump goes and shakes hands with Ivanka, kisses her chastely on the cheek. None of the RNC groping.
posted by mochapickle at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


lol he got trolled into saying how badass she is
posted by prize bull octorok at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [15 favorites]


Politifact: "Sorry, but False...Trump's children are just terrible."
posted by sexyrobot at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [77 favorites]


Wow. Trump complimenting Clinton as a great fighter, without pivoting to a criticism. I didn't think he had it in him.
posted by ogooglebar at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I don't think he's on coke. It's fairly well known he doesn't touch drugs due to his brother.
posted by tzikeh at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]



I love her, but she didn't shine tonight.
posted by Dr_Janeway at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Mad props to the mods in the debate, this could have been much worse.
posted by jazon at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm gonna go get a beer. I can't believe I listened to this sober.

Goodnight.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I really thought that Clinton would praise Trump's "showmanship" or something like that. Remind people that he's really just a performer.
posted by mhum at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Looks like Donald went straight to his family, while Hillary walked up to the audience members to talk with them and shake their hands.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maybe I'm just drunk but that debate went better than the first one for Trump somehow.
posted by dilaudid at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Once again, Hillary and Bill Clinton work the crowd; Trump stands and talks with his children.
posted by Gelatin at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ugh. I need a shower.
posted by bonobothegreat at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't respect them any more than him. Except maybe Barron. We'll give him the benefit of the doubt still.

Kid is amazing with computers, yo.
posted by rokusan at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Well. That was a thing that just happened.

Fangs were bared early on, but the tone became steadily less aggressive. Clinton was good, but not great and Trump was incoherent as usual, but his tone is sure to appeal to some people.

No definitive KO from either side.
posted by dazed_one at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


wait... hasn't he said before she doesn't have the stamina to be president? but she's a fighter?
posted by sio42 at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


All the "undecideds" looking thrilled to meet Hillary <3
posted by acidic at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


HAHAHA post debate discussion: "Trump was totally substance free." Me: "are you KIDDING? He was totally high. Oh. Wait. That kind of substance."
posted by instamatic at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [45 favorites]


Listening to the audio, and not seeing the visuals, my impression seems to be a lot more lukewarm than most of the thread. Biggest thing is going to be the whole special prosecutor bit or Pence being thrown under the bus. Also sort of mind-boggling that the Billy Bush stuff amounted to so little.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


you guys what if him answering that one question accurately and directly is the signal the underworld needed to begin their true assault
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I call it a draw. I don't mean for people like me - she's clearly the intellectual winner and the more presidential and experienced - but for the uninformed voter, they were both OK. It wouldn't have put any existing supporters off.

There was zero reason to call it "the most fiery debate" as they're doing on NBC - it was nothing like the McCain "That One" moment.
posted by Miko at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Families milling around . . . standing & talking. Hillary meeting the audience with questions.
posted by petebest at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


CNN Dude is like "It's a wash, But Clinton knows much more.."
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:39 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Whew. I watched this debate from a literal blanket fort, with friends, cocktails, and popcorn. I am never watching another debate without all of those things. And you, dear Metafilter.
posted by gingerbeer at 7:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [36 favorites]


To answer rumors about him leaving the ticket, Pence shows up at a presser tomorrow like nothing happened, with a Donald hairpiece and a whole new personality. He's more excited for a Trump presidency than ever before! The camera operators repeatedly check their white balance, because there's an unexpected slight orange sheen to his skin that they've never seen before.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


like I am legit concerned that he gave that answer because it was too good
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:40 PM on October 9, 2016


LETS ALL TAKE A SHOWER TOGETHER!
posted by vrakatar at 7:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


So Clinton just made Trump look like a good father, and Trump made Clinton look like a good leader.

Not sure that's what you actually meant to do, Donnie. But thanks.
posted by Autumnheart at 7:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [26 favorites]


I liked the balloons at the end of these things a whole lot better.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wish she had not constantly talked over the moderators and had just tried to be boring tonight. Not that it really matters, I guess.
posted by MoonOrb at 7:40 PM on October 9, 2016


So for those actually watching this thing, how many questions came from the Open Debate Coalition website and their question submission/voting gizmo?
posted by JoeZydeco at 7:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary doesn't quit.

You're goddamn right!


2 Legit
posted by Sys Rq at 7:40 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


I mean just by not melting down Trump exceeded expectations. He came across as a total asshole but apparently that's not a negative for him.
posted by Flashman at 7:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


All audience members with wind-up cameras- they probably weren't allowed to bring their phones
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


One of the NBC commentators noted that putting political opponents in jail is something they do in Russia. She sounded genuinely shocked and disturbed that Trump would suggest such a thing.
posted by Gelatin at 7:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [36 favorites]


My prespin read on the debate: he was a trainwreck, but he did well enough that some of the remaining Republicans are going to are going to think twice before jumping ship. In particular, he might have just done well enough that people can pretend he didn't call Paula Jones & co. in and hold that press conference and everyone can ignore the first 30 minutes of the debate.

Big takeaways:
Trump disavowing Pence's position
Trump calling for Clinton to be jailed if he was in charge
Trump calling it all locker room talk
posted by zachlipton at 7:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Trump did well and may get a bump out of this.
He's not getting a bump out of this. It's going to be back to "what do you think the other bombshells are?" tomorrow. This doesn't change the narrative at all.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Wasn't Trump criticizing her "stamina" for the past four weeks, but now he's praising her for never giving up and being a fighter? The thing is, I actually believe he believes his closing remark tonight.
posted by gladly at 7:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


Seriously Clinton handled the final question like a master. By praising Trump's children rather than himself, she provided his campaign nothing they can use in opposition ads. Trump, for his part, praised her directly, which for her campaign staff is GOLDEN, man.
posted by at by at 7:41 PM on October 9, 2016 [34 favorites]


Seth Mandel ‏@SethAMandel: Trump got better as the night went on and he stopped talking about sexually assaulting women and jailing his opponent.
posted by joedan at 7:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [26 favorites]


It's interesting. She's proving she's much better at policy, but Trump's supporters literally see policy as the problem. It's really difficult to bridge that divide. I think he'll get a bump too.
posted by frumiousb at 7:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


LOL, all Trump's complaining about time limits and moderator bias, and CNN just reported he spoke slightly longer than she did.
posted by Rhaomi at 7:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


I'm weirded out by the circa 1996 disposable wedding reception cameras. I guess they took everyone's phone away so they wouldn't be doing social during the debate, and that was the consolation prize.
posted by Miko at 7:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


A friend of mine on Facebook makes a good point -- Trump repeatedly challenged Martha Raddatz but not Anderson Cooper.
posted by Gelatin at 7:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [88 favorites]


So Trump didn't end up shitting himself during the debate, but I suspect his little "debate prep" stunt is going to detract from any narrative about his sudden presidential demeanor.
posted by bibliowench at 7:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Tapper says Trump stanched the bleeding. Erratic in the beginning then prosecuted a good case against her on the emails.

BOTH SIDES. Trump comeback!
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:42 PM on October 9, 2016


(Comments slow down as 3/4 of MetaFilter goes for a potty break.)
posted by tonycpsu at 7:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


People keep saying it got less aggressive as it went on. Wasn't it well past the half way mark when he started pointing at her and calling her a liar. Seemed pretty aggressive to me.
posted by double bubble at 7:42 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


total disaster for donnie. pacing. hulking in the background. facial tics. never talked to the people, talked to the cameras. spewing word salad. had to be reminded of the question. whined about interruptions and set up the 'debate was rigged' bullshit he's going to spew. how anybody can possibly see this as a plus for trump i swear i just don't know.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 7:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [61 favorites]


I could not split screen this debate/Mefi event, now I must read. I love reading. Amazing, Trump's head did not explode, nor did he physically attack her, so it went better than I thought it would. I was not too difficult to watch, but I do have some physical anxiety left from it.
posted by Oyéah at 7:43 PM on October 9, 2016


That debate was grueling to watch, and I doubt it'll have any particular effect on the polls. My prediction is that the news will continue to be dominated by Micgate and the growing divides in and between the Trump campaign and the GOP, rather than anything that anyone said tonight.
So Clinton just made Trump look like a good father, and Trump made Clinton look like a good leader.
In other words, she treated him the way women have been treated in business and politics for decades. “Devoted mother and wife Hillary Clinton…” Nice one.
posted by mbrubeck at 7:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [58 favorites]


Ok I'm waiting for the CNN snap poll of debate watchers. Please don't let me down, American Populace. Trump was a disaster, you know it to be true.
posted by Justinian at 7:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


i give it to hillary - basically, trump acted like he couldn't wait for her to shutup so he could continue talking incoherently - he acted like his face was going to slide off his head
posted by pyramid termite at 7:43 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


If Trump does, in fact, have business ties with Russia, then his "I don't know anything about Russia, I don't do business with Russia" line is going to come back to bite him hard.
posted by Autumnheart at 7:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


People in the audience are taking photos with disposable film cameras. I didn't know they still made those.
posted by Shmuel510 at 7:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


The whole "you belong in jail, I'm getting a special prosecutor for you" is so unhinged and weird and scary for anyone who is already not way in the bag for DJT.
posted by MoonOrb at 7:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [55 favorites]


yeah i'm not sure this was the best debate ever for her, but i think she had to not let him run over her and to show that she can be forceful. i'm glad i stayed up to watch this tho. all i know is she has got to have more dirt on him and her campaign was just waiting to see what he had.
posted by sio42 at 7:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


All those disposable cameras... electronics prohibition?
posted by Westringia F. at 7:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary said she respects his children lol.

Now we know what hrc shade looks like.
posted by sebastienbailard at 7:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


I mean, he immediately went for the jugular with his bullshit pivoting into Bill's infidelities, but I was expecting that. Afterwards, he was incoherent and petulant, but again, my expectations were low.

She was okay. Fine. But since he managed to kinda-sorta keep his cool, and because the grading curve is so very steep, I think it's going to be billed a draw or even maybe a win for him, which is gross.

Personally, I was most disgusted by the audience tonight, applauding when he said she should be in jail. That was stomach-turning.
posted by Superplin at 7:44 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


Basically, people who are going to see this as a win for Trump because they set the bar way, way lower for him. "Didn't break down and throw a physical tantrum or attack someone" is higher than folks were expecting from him at this stage.
posted by Archelaus at 7:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


So he denies saying something he's on TAPE saying, calls for the special investigation and arrest of his opponent, and this is a net win for him?

This is like short attention span theatre or something.
posted by Mooski at 7:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [69 favorites]


Clinton is sticking around for photos with attendees, but Trump bailed as soon as possible.
posted by ogooglebar at 7:45 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


The CBS reporter just called the special-prosecutor thing a "moment of brilliance" for Trump.
posted by adamg at 7:45 PM on October 9, 2016


If Trump does, in fact, have business ties with Russia, then his "I don't know anything about Russia, I don't do business with Russia" line is going to come back to bite him hard.

Trump's mirror says that statement translates to he's in hock to Russian oligarchs and Putin personally up to his fucking eyeballs, they own him totally.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


And now begins the most difficult part of any debate: resisting the urge to comment on social media.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


LOL, all Trump's complaining about time limits and moderator bias, and CNN just reported he spoke slightly longer than she did.

He totally did, and half of what he said was just total garbage and the moderators were actually trying to do him a favour by cutting him off.
I kept thinking of Rev Lovejoy reading Homer's wedding vows: "And it just goes on like this..."
posted by Flashman at 7:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


The moderators won this debate. They finally held the reins.
posted by maurreen at 7:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [48 favorites]


Is Trump still there? Because it looks like he bolted rather than be near the plebes, whereas HRC is hanging out and meeting everyone.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is like short attention span theatre or something.
welcome to US politics.
posted by sio42 at 7:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump stooge Boris Epshteyn is hitting the "moderators were totally unfair" thing.
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 7:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


So he denies saying something he's on TAPE saying, calls for the special investigation and arrest of his opponent, and this is a net win for him?

He didn't hit her, kick anything, or grope someone in the room on camera. That's how low his expectations were tonight. She did well, but the bar was that low.
posted by zachlipton at 7:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


The best part was that she didn't fuck up debate protocols--she talked to the audience, not to Trump himself. It's jarring when he repeatedly talks at her. The fact that she spoke with thought, and spoke directly to the people asking the questions. Just on basics, she did fabulously.
posted by RedEmma at 7:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [14 favorites]


I think once everyone catches their breath, the direct threat Donald made to jail Hillary will be the biggest abomination of the evening.
posted by Captain l'escalier at 7:46 PM on October 9, 2016 [64 favorites]


She really made a point to try to greet everyone there. She just spun around, obviously checking to see if she missed anyone.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 7:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


The media seems like they want to prop Trimp up so this spectacle can continue. Terrible. Trump was an interrupting, lying, sniffing bully who got combative with moderators and kept not even answering questions. But they're trying to make it seem like he did well. Awful.
posted by cashman at 7:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


Is anyone else in Washington and not registered to vote who wants to try the registration online? My husband is trying to register and it keeps saying errors occurred, and I want to make sure he is able to vote against the orange hellbeast and see if it's us or the site.
posted by corb at 7:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]




he immediately went for the jugular with his bullshit pivoting into Bill's infidelities, but I was expecting that.

The NBC reporter in the spin room said that the Trump strategy was to attack hard and knock Clinton off her game, and said that if so, he failed in that, she was clearly prepared.
posted by Gelatin at 7:47 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


There's no win for Trump here, not even with that final question. There's no "draw," either. Anything less than stopping the hemorrhaging of his campaign is a loss, and he clearly didn't accomplish that.

The news cycle from before the debate will continue on, and he'll keep getting hurt by it.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 7:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


she does not get flustered. that much is obvious. and he does.
posted by sio42 at 7:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [18 favorites]


Trump spoke for a minute longer than she did, but study after study shows that people think women dominate a conversation when they talk anywhere near as much as men do. So people will probably think that she got more time.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [49 favorites]


Well at least we can all agree that Uday and Qusay are great guys.
posted by The World Famous at 7:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Melania wore a $1,100 Gucci "pussy-bow silk crepe de chine" shirt tonight. SHADE FOR DAYS
posted by acidic at 7:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [59 favorites]


He admitted he didn't pay taxes, said he'd put his opponent in jail, word salad, body language, etc. etc. She won while remaining presidential and answering questions and connecting with the questioners.
posted by chris24 at 7:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


The pacing and background acting Trump was doing reminded me of this.
posted by infinitewindow at 7:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


In any sane world...
posted by porpoise at 7:48 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]




This world hasn't been sane in a long time
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:49 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Now let's see if Pence is still on the ticket, because if not none of the last 2 hours means shit, that's the only story.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]




If Trump's surrogates are trying to work the refs you know he lost the debate
posted by vuron at 7:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Those of you saying Trump did well, what the heck? He speaks with the authority of a junior high school bully running for office. He says nothing, he has not one fact in his head, he makes confrontational noise, and plays to people who also have few facts, so it is all emotion, and accusation. No, he does not do well in intellectual discourse, he is a paper cut out of a person, empty of all but himself.
posted by Oyéah at 7:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [27 favorites]


I'm sorry but threatening to launch a political prosecution on your opponent with the object of putting them in jail is beyond the pale. You cannot be allowed anywhere near the presidency after that. He literally declared he would be a third world dictator on national TV and I still cannot fucking believe it. I'm so utterly fucking livid at him.
posted by Talez at 7:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [144 favorites]


Trump whined like a child, had no policy or detail, interupted and had to be put in his place by moderators several times, lied so much I couldn't even keep count, and never answered a question directly. This is a washout for him.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [16 favorites]


Trump stooge Boris Epshteyn is hitting the "moderators were totally unfair" thing.

That's loser talk. That's baffling -- complaining about the moderators creates the perception that the Trump campaign believes he lost. And before the post-debate spin gets thru with his "jail my political opponents" crack. Are they nuts?
posted by Gelatin at 7:50 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I don't understand the people saying saying Trump didn't melt down. If that wasn't a meltdown, what would one look like?
posted by contraption at 7:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Congrats to my running mate @realDonaldTrump on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you as we #MAGA.
Looks like at least one person thinks Trump did well enough.
posted by mhz at 7:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Rumors which I think are very unfounded at this time that Pence is leaving the ticket would put a hole right back under the Trump Train water line.

Yes, I just pulled a Bill Mitchell.
posted by tclark at 7:51 PM on October 9, 2016


Poor Steve Schmidt
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I thought that she was setting him up when she was dropping Russia and Putin early on. I was sure that late in the debate there would be a call-back or a big reveal. I was surprised that there wasn't, nor was there another. Disappointed.
posted by OHenryPacey at 7:51 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]




Mike Pence ‏@mike_pence 6m6 minutes ago

Congrats to my running mate @realDonaldTrump on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you as we #MAGA.

posted by sebastienbailard at 7:52 PM on October 9, 2016


Conway on MSNBC doing her motormouth denial of service attack on Chris Matthews.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:52 PM on October 9, 2016




"Undecided" voters applauding the email bullshit. Welcome to St Louis and the reasons I don't live there anymore!
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 7:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]




Those of you saying Trump did well, what the heck? He speaks with the authority of a junior high school bully running for office. He says nothing, he has not one fact in his head, he makes confrontational noise, and plays to people who also have few facts, so it is all emotion, and accusation. No, he does not do well in intellectual discourse, he is a paper cut out of a person, empty of all but himself.

Oh, I agree. But he's playing well to his base who are fiercely anti-intellectual. We all share some responsibility for this national dumbing down.
posted by frumiousb at 7:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Congrats to my running mate @realDonaldTrump on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you as we #MAGA." --@mike_pence
posted by zachlipton at 7:52 PM on October 9, 2016


If anyone in the Clinton campaign has any sense, the next oppo dump needs to come tomorrow to keep the narrative down for Trump.
posted by yasaman at 7:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


All of Trump's statements and stances played to his base. It's as if he's only in this to secure his base of followers to the brand for a future television network or something...
posted by Ber at 7:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ahh well that tweet says he's still on board. That was a fun 20mins.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:52 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


I was definitely hoping for another reveal as well.
posted by erratic meatsack at 7:52 PM on October 9, 2016


Here's my question for all who watched: who looked Presidential to you? To me the answer is that Trump lost by that measure, leaving aside his campaign free fall.
posted by bearwife at 7:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I have to say that, viscerally, I have never had any political event leave me as shaken and flat-out scared as that did. Trump "virile" hatred of Hillary Clinton's very existence was in full flame. He never paid attention to a question or a questioner, he never made an argument, he just looked at her and vomited pure hypermasculine hatred.

I feel like I need to bleach myself.
posted by argybarg at 7:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [88 favorites]


Mike's firing that social media intern!
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 7:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ooooh, NBC just suspended Billy Bush over his involvement with Trump
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [34 favorites]


That was like watching an internet flame war IRL. Complete with arguing with the mods.
posted by Jacqueline at 7:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


I'm really afraid that the debate tonight has somehow made trumps "pussy grabbing" comments no longer big news.
posted by laptolain at 7:53 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


I can onlyu assume this was a scheduled tweet from Pence: Congrats to my running mate @realDonaldTrump on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you as we #MAGA.

At least this time they didn't release it two hours before the debate.
posted by Gelatin at 7:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump was a rambling, incoherent mess who threatened to send his Attorney General to put his political opponent in jail, called her the devil, and paraded her husband's mistresses into the debate hall. And that's not even touching that mess of an answer about Syria.

I can't for the life of me understand how any of these pundits or even people on here are calling this anything less than a disaster.
posted by sallybrown at 7:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [67 favorites]


Well i 'm gonna get even higher and let the pundits sort it out. What I saw was a drowning man who could not make a sentence. Could have been worse.
posted by vrakatar at 7:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


I am seriously wondering when worse video/audio of Trump shows up. Because I feel certain it's out there.
posted by fluffy battle kitten at 7:54 PM on October 9, 2016


Trump can't win with a base only election strategy though, he actually has to peel away voters from Hillary and that's not even remotely happening.
posted by vuron at 7:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


disco palate cleanser
posted by poffin boffin at 7:54 PM on October 9, 2016


He literally declared he would be a third world dictator on national TV and I still cannot fucking believe it.

And he got applause for it
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [64 favorites]


Guys has Mike Pence tweeted anything yet
posted by prize bull octorok at 7:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [40 favorites]


For Trump and his very low bar, he did well. Got in some of the points Kellyanne and the Steves wanted him to get in (prep!). His voice went up a couple of times, but didn't freak like the first debate. He lied, of course, he gished and obfuscated, but he did manage to string in some of the talking points they wanted him to do.

So, Not a shrieking snarling sexual predator fascist. Total win for Trump.

Hillary looked great, sounded great, but didn't show the vast, vast - vast - gulf of knowledge and experience she has over Trump, choosing instead to loop in some sound bite bait and "keeping it simple". She won for me of course, and was the better presenter.

But given the sewer explosion that has been the DJT campaign this week, I was suprised he seemed awake and, for him, kind of mellow. Which is still a loudmouth jerk who doesn't give a crap what the question, but he didn't answer incoherently too much.
posted by petebest at 7:54 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


No no, remember that's like Pence mirror-speak. He drops by... let's say Wednesday?
posted by TwoStride at 7:55 PM on October 9, 2016


I hope someday we get to see the notes that Clinton is taking during these debates. I have a feeling that they're full of profanity and exclamation points.

Probably debrief notes, questions she just thought up for her team to add to the deck.

It's kind of funny to imagine her like James Brown famously was, keeping track of every miniscule less-than-superhuman mistake the band made during the performance. Clean coal, motherfuckers! Your pathetic timeline didn't have that coming up for another three minutes.
posted by ctmf at 7:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm really afraid that the debate tonight has somehow made trumps "pussy grabbing" comments no longer big news.

I'm worried about that too, but I think it's still got legs. He refreshed it tonight trying to dismiss them as "locker room banter." And there's a lot more of his behavior to talk about.
posted by zachlipton at 7:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


And he got applause for it

The American experiment goes out not with a bang but a clang of a jail cell closing.
posted by Talez at 7:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]



"Undecided" voters applauding the email bullshit. Welcome to St Louis and the reasons I don't live there anymore!


Seriously, I seriously want to know what the hell went wrong with this fucking audience. He calmed and gained confidence as he was being cheered and laughed with by the crowd and this is NOT what a town hall debate has ever been. Were there in fact undergrad observers in bleachers above the "undecided voters" on the floor or am I imagining this wrong?
posted by blue suede stockings at 7:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


But he's playing well to his base who are fiercely anti-intellectual.

But Trump needs to reach beyond his base, which he hasn't really managed to do so far and likely won't with that performance.
posted by Gelatin at 7:55 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


That was about the level of debate #1 in terms of lopsidedness and general insanity but the hot takes are all "wow he did great"? What?? Is this some kind of Red Queen thing where it just has to keep getting worse or we're not satisfied?
posted by theodolite at 7:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Personally, I was most disgusted by the audience tonight, applauding when he said she should be in jail. That was stomach-turning.

Clay Shirky has been RTing Deplorables as a kind of bubble-popper for people who follow him. I had to turn off his RTs tonight, because I actually have to live with Trump voters post-November, and I don't want to be in a situation where I'm, say, in a commercial transaction or in-laws situation and something Trumpy is said and I'm essentially triggered and [record scratch] and what do I do now? I am a polite person, and not a massively judgemental person, so I don't want to be exposed to that collective social media externalised-interiority. That's perhaps partly because my first years actually living in the US (2003-) were when lots of people were bloodthirstily gung-ho about Iraq, and they don't really like re-litigating it now.

OTOH, if you're still deeply invested in Clinton Wars bullshit from the 90s, then fuck you with a rusty spoon.
posted by holgate at 7:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


the next oppo dump needs to come tomorrow to keep the narrative down for Trump

right now
posted by sallybrown at 7:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did anyone else see that big Wolf Blitzer head go by in the background on CNN? Just me?
posted by Mothlight at 7:56 PM on October 9, 2016


I'm baffled that some of you thought he did well, whatever the "bar" was.

I thought he sounded insane.
posted by kyrademon at 7:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [48 favorites]


I'm just honestly horrified and petrified. I've never seen anything like that. The thought that this debate might actually convince some people to vote for this boorish, ignorant, arrogant man is chilling. How did it come to this?
posted by peacheater at 7:56 PM on October 9, 2016 [24 favorites]


And there's a lot more of his behavior to talk about.

Especially his claim that he's never behaved 'that way' to women, when there is copious evidence that that he does so all the time.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


In Trump fallout news: Billy Bush has been suspended from NBC because of the tape.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 7:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm really afraid that the debate tonight has somehow made trumps "pussy grabbing" comments no longer big news.

That won't go away without some of his recent Republican detractors and pullouts un-retracting themselves, and I don't think they'll do that. Not anymore than Ted Cruz could seriously re-unendorse.

I think that whole toxic waste dump inferno will continue burning on.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 7:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


KellyAnne Conway has no soul. Her spin performance makes me incredibly angry.
posted by xyzzy at 7:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


If you don't fact check then you don't see lies, ergo, Trump won.
posted by dazed_one at 7:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maybe I'm just drunk but that debate went better than the first one for Trump somehow.

Watch it again. Because it ended on a seemingly good note, people are lulled into rewriting the entirety of the debate in their minds. the donald was beyond erratic and incoherent for most of the debate imo.
posted by futz at 7:57 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


posted by bearwife Here's my question for all who watched: who looked Presidential to you? To me the answer is that Trump lost by that measure, leaving aside his campaign free fall.

I thought the litmus test was, "With which candidate would you rather have a beer?"

Having a beer with Hillary Clinton would be a riot. I'd be afraid to drink water with Donald Trump.
posted by mattdidthat at 7:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [39 favorites]


I'm really afraid that the debate tonight has somehow made trumps "pussy grabbing" comments no longer big news.

Given his track record, Trump will have trouble not trying to push back against it over and over again.

While he got in some actual talking points and went on the attack, he still displayed his worst, most narcissistic move: he brought up his own negative press, even when it wasn't really a response to the question. He cannot stop talking about himself, even when it hurts him.
posted by kewb at 7:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm baffled that some of you thought he did well, whatever the "bar" was.

i thought he was going to physically assault her while defecating uncontrollably all over himself so, you know. that's the bar.
posted by poffin boffin at 7:58 PM on October 9, 2016 [55 favorites]


Did this guy in the red sweater not know he'd be on television?

He has a name, you know. It's Ken Bone.


I was feeling so bad about that mean comment and wishing I could delete it.
Then I looked at Twitter.
posted by Flashman at 8:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


I don't think I'll ever stop being livid about Trump publicly declaring that Clinton would be politically prosecuted and, if successful, be jailed. I still can't believe what we've been brought down to as a Republic. This happens in other countries. This happens in countries that ASPIRE to be like the United States.

IT SHOULD NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN HERE.
posted by Talez at 8:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [89 favorites]


It went better for Trump on his terms, because he yelled and was "strong." He called Hillary the devil and said he'd imprison her and said "how stupid is this country." Last debate he was trying to seem quasi-focused and made almost no sense. This time it was pure fury in his style.

Now, if the general public likes that style and elects him, then this country has the apocalypse it deserves.
posted by argybarg at 8:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [17 favorites]


The only thing tonight might've done for Republicans is prevent the complete loss of the House.

Trump is still losing the Presidential vote by a substantial margin and the Senate is likely going blue.

But Trump might've stopped the bleeding at Clinton +5 tonight.

Of course there are at least 2 big bombshells liable to smash Trump and Trump's only ammo is Emails. Sad!
posted by vuron at 8:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Undecided" voters applauding the email bullshit. Welcome to St Louis and the reasons I don't live there anymore!

I didn't even think about the location of the debate. St. Louis is hands down the most racist place I've ever been to in the US, and I lived there for 3 years. The clapping for emails from "undecideds" makes more sense in that light. Missouri is a write off for Clinton, maybe we shouldn't draw a lot of larger parallels to other states.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


CSPAN is showing an interview with Jesse Jackson, reporters are calling in the background "Paula Paula Paula!"
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:00 PM on October 9, 2016


Pence has to work out whether he's a GOP company man or a TrumpOrg company man, having learned very much tonight that the only TrumpOrg people Trump won't throw under the bus have the last name 'Trump'.
posted by holgate at 8:00 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Just hit my favorite limit. Everyone who participated today, please consider yourself favorited.
posted by ogooglebar at 8:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Yeah don't believe the spin, donnie came in on the defensive and left that way, he lost tonight where it counts, and more horrifying shit will drop.
posted by vrakatar at 8:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


These CNN commentators are almost as bad as the noise on a Twitter feed or Facebook post. Please bring back the candidates.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 8:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Kenneth Bone and Kenneth Bone alone will decide who won this goddamn debate.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]




OMG. Kellyanne Conway "I'm with him until the bitter end, unless... "

That clip is going to replay for the next 24 hours.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 8:01 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]




I honestly don't think I've seen such an unprofessional performance in a presidential debate before. I think Trump had the kind of night that might seem like a win at first because it got his core hooping and hollering but over time, he basically looks like exactly what he was: the guy who showed up for the interview unprepared. He was talking in double spaced lines with extra margins most of the time. He could have come across as presidential here but instead he decided to talk about how the format was unfair.
posted by feloniousmonk at 8:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [26 favorites]


Complaining about time repeatedly..."you just gave her half an hour, and you haven't even given me ten seconds"...as though he could say any more in half an hour than he says in ten seconds...that was very petulant indeed. Probably won't matter overall, though.
posted by uosuaq at 8:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


@mike_pence "Congrats to my running mate @realDonaldTrump on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you as we #MAGA."

@realdonaldtrump "Mike Pence and I haven't spoken, and I disagree."
posted by mattdidthat at 8:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


My nightcap was supposed to be a can of Heady Topper
but DISASTER occurred so oh well
i have an awkward 'Gansett isntead
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]




These CNN commentators are almost as bad as the noise on a Twitter feed or Facebook post. Please bring back the candidates

Seriously. I can't believe I made it through that digusting shitshow of a debate and now it's the post-debate commentary that's gonna make me vomit and/or tear out my hair.
posted by TwoStride at 8:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump was in a complete nosedive prior to this debate and the possibility of him dropping out was on the table. Now I think he stabilized this and will at least retain some of the party's support, Pence's support and maintain his campaign for the duration. He won't win but he will shore up a lot of votes and even prevent a landslide.

Van Jones on CNN makes the point that a total Trump burnout and replacement by a better candidate would be a worse outcome for Hillary.
posted by angrybear at 8:02 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


It will be viewed as a wash, when objectively it was a Clinton win. Doesn't matter. Trump needed something more than a gentleman's tie, he needed Obama v. Romney round 2, or the Clinton Townhall masterclass. Instead he was merely competent-ish against an opponent who was his superior.

The debate is so understated, it will absolutely be drowned out by TicTacTrumpTape for Monday morning viewers/listeners/readers who don't really care about news after they pull into the driveway on Friday, and are a little cross that they don't know what their Facebook friends and Twitter follows have been going on about all weekend.

The debate wasn't juicy. The Great GOP Freakout of 2016 is juicy.
posted by Slap*Happy at 8:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


What I WISH she had said: "You calling those comments 'locker room talk' is like telling all the 12-year-old boys in the country that they should talk about their friends that are girls that way. What you call 'locker room banter' is what what the rest of us call 'rape culture.'"
posted by Dr_Janeway at 8:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [52 favorites]


People, Pence's verified account is GovPenceIN.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


Turn off the post debate spin, you're just encouraging them.

We just saw a candidate for President of these United States promise to lock up his opponent if elected.

And then provide utterly incoherent word salad for 90 minutes. (Aleppo? Disagree with running mate? Don't pay Federal taxes? Each of these would be political suicide in normal years. EACH of these.)

And finally he praised his opponent for her tenacity.

This did not go well for Trump.
posted by RedOrGreen at 8:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [32 favorites]


I'm watching the C-SPAN call in show, and I'm pretty alarmed at the number of people saying they thought Donald did better, and how they were undecided but now are supporting Trump fully.
posted by ApathyGirl at 8:03 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I don't think Any GOP supporter will be turned off by the suggestion of putting a political opponent in jail. They have been chanting the same stuff at his rallies.
posted by annsunny at 8:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]


@mike_pence is verified too.
posted by zachlipton at 8:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


Chuck Todd on Kellyanne Conway: "She'll also just a very good person."

Go away
posted by sallybrown at 8:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


The students were chosen at random from a pool of thousands who entered into a lottery system weeks ago.

That's not really true. When I was there, suspiciously the only people "randomly" invited were Senator's kids, and relations to big Wash U or party donors.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:04 PM on October 9, 2016 [7 favorites]


Okay, has any journalist or commentator asked in relation to the Access Hollywood tape whether Trump, as commander in chief, could ever credibly do anything about rape in the military? That seems like the most material thing, even in the laughably unbelievable case that it was "just talk" instead of an admission of sexual assault.

Chris Matthews interviewing Conway on MSNBC just now did a whole series of questions without asking about that... and now Conway is going off on praising Trump's performance at the Commander in Chief Forum where the question was actually asked by a servicemember...
posted by XMLicious at 8:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


@igorvolsky
Seriously folks, calling #debate a wash when Trump pledged to prosecute political opponent is pretty fucking reprehensible.
posted by chris24 at 8:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [69 favorites]


> I don't think Any GOP supporter will be turned off by the suggestion of putting a political opponent in jail.

But that basket of deplorables is not a voting majority. In fact, it barely cracks 40%, which is historic landslide loss proportions.
posted by RedOrGreen at 8:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


The final comments from each candidate were the most telling to me. Trump knows HRC is going to be the next president and he being a capitalist knows he needs/should have somewhat amicable ties with whoever is in the white house Hillary being the president is not going to totally shred Mr Trump; billionaire Trump could come in handy for some of her plans during her term.
posted by robbyrobs at 8:05 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


@mike_pence is verified too.

OK, weird. Carry on, then.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:06 PM on October 9, 2016


Clinton north of 10% in the Drudge Report debate poll, which I think counts as a decisive win for her.
posted by Rhaomi at 8:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


CNN states that he probably stopped the bleeding within his own base, and I just want everything to burn.
posted by erratic meatsack at 8:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [5 favorites]




‏@SamWangPhD: Turn it off.
Today PEC's Clinton win probability hit 95%. In past races that's been a Rubicon.
posted by Justinian at 8:06 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


I don't think I'll ever stop being livid about Trump publicly declaring that Clinton would be politically prosecuted and, if successful, be jailed.

I've been guessing he would be saying something like this since the primaries. It's actually kind of weird to say it at this point in the general election, because it's only red meat for his base and doesn't really help with undecideds.

I guess I wouldn't put it past him in the next debate to say he'll also prosecute Obama and Bill Clinton if he gets elected.
posted by FJT at 8:07 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


People, Pence's verified account is GovPenceIN.

Like many politicians, he has both a verified personal account and a verified account in the capacity of his office.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 8:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


Metafilter: He was talking in double spaced lines with extra margins most of the time.
posted by Foci for Analysis at 8:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


I have a question. Many people here (possibly rightly) wanted Obama to bring war crimes and other charges against Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld once he took office. If Obama would have made the same charges against those people at a debate as Trump did about Clinton tonight I imagine it would have been welcomed or at least tolerated here.

What makes the two things different?

(I know hypotheticals are useless to consider / I am 100% a Clinton supporter and disgusted by trump / Please do not destroy me I love you metafilter)
posted by laptolain at 8:08 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Tequila shots every time Trump says "Okay!?" at the end of sentence.


If you'd done a shot every time he sniffed you'd be in the emergency room with alcohol poisoning. He needs a candy dish full of antihistamines.
posted by datawrangler at 8:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


What makes the two things different?

One has factual and legal basis.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [38 favorites]


James Carville pointing out that Trump's debate performance was, in fact, terrible.
posted by prize bull octorok at 8:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [22 favorites]


Pro-Tip- people calling into a call in show claiming to be undecideds are anything but

Trump is trying to create a positive news cycle but at the end of the day he's lost a ton of Republican politicians and he still hasn't answered for the "Locker Room" talk.

Tonight wasn't an unmitigated disaster for Trump and I guess that's a "win" but in terms of actually reversing campaign trajectory he failed horribly.
posted by vuron at 8:09 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


People, Pence's verified account is GovPenceIN.

@GovPenceIN is the governor account, @mike_pence is the campaign account -- remember that there's a legal difference between public-office accounts and running-for-office accounts, just as there's a difference between @VP and @JoeBiden,

OTOH, that was obv not from Pence himself.
posted by holgate at 8:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [6 favorites]


The final comments from each candidate were the most telling to me. Trump knows HRC is going to be the next president and he being a capitalist knows he needs/should have somewhat amicable ties with whoever is in the white house Hillary being the president is not going to totally shred Mr Trump; billionaire Trump could come in handy for some of her plans during her term.

I'm sorry, this doesn't make any sense to me. They were asked to name one thing they respected about their opponent. They have to give that question at least a little lip service, or else they end the debate looking petty. There's no need to insert conspiracy theories into this. They are going to be political enemies long after the election. Trump has made his bed with the deplorables, and hatred of Hillary is their raison d'etre.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 8:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Obama didn't campaign on bringing war crimes against Bush, for one.
posted by orange ball at 8:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [21 favorites]


Van Jones on CNN makes the point that a total Trump burnout and replacement by a better candidate would be a worse outcome for Hillary.

This. Trump is a poltroon. We'd be much worse off with someone just as evil but more plausible.

Trump's core 25% of the country, or whatever - they're bad, but they're also a write-off. It's the middling people, the ones who are into Trump because it feels fun or all their neighbors are, the people with no real political convictions beyond the news cycle - those are the people who will be shut down by a Trump loss because they don't like losers and it won't be fun anymore, plus the novelty will have worn off. A Clinton victory (and, hopefully, a Democratic senate) will just settle those folks right down. This is the far right's moment, and if they lose their moment, they've lost momentum. It doesn't mean the end of the GOP, or the end of racism, but it does mean a real defeat that has real consequences for the US political climate.

That is why we're all going to get out there and vote like votey things.
posted by Frowner at 8:10 PM on October 9, 2016 [45 favorites]


Having a beer with Hillary Clinton would be a riot. I'd be afraid to drink water with Donald Trump.

Seriously, I'd be afraid he'd try to roofie me (or more probably any conventionally attractive women with me.) Ughhhh. I'm not sure how much of it was the feed I was watching, but the way he was looming over Clinton absolutely would have creeped me out, were I in her place. I haven't seen much (any?) video or audio of him beyond the first debate, but he 100% comes across like someone I'd try not to get stuck sitting next to/try not to get stuck in a room alone with.
posted by ubersturm at 8:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Many people here (possibly rightly) wanted Obama to bring war crimes and other charges against Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld once he took office. If Obama would have made the same charges against those people at a debate as Trump did about Clinton tonight I imagine it would have been welcomed or at least tolerated here.

What makes the two things different?


Had Obama made that statement he wouldn't have been making it literally feet away from the person he was threatening with jail time.
posted by nathan_teske at 8:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


(I know hypotheticals are useless to consider / I am 100% a Clinton supporter and disgusted by trump / Please do not destroy me I love you metafilter)

You answered the question yourself by noting that Obama didn't make those charges in a debate. There's a big difference between voters wanting a candidate to do something and the candidate actually doing it.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [12 favorites]


Like many politicians, he has both a verified personal account and a verified account in the capacity of his office.

So would that count as having both a public and a private stance on political issues?

Hmmm.
posted by mochapickle at 8:11 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


One has factual and legal basis.


Then why didn't Obama pursue it?
posted by laptolain at 8:12 PM on October 9, 2016


I thought he looked like a totally crazed moron. Maybe I wasn't watching the same debate as some of these people.
posted by bongo_x at 8:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [13 favorites]


Clinton has already been investigated and cleared by the government entities charged with responsibility for the email flap. Trump, instead of accepting that result, says he will send the Attorney General back after her (not that the DOJ will open an investigation, but that he will order them to) and implies she will end up in jail no matter what.

It's...really not that difficult to understand. And I'm someone who would have been horrified if Obama had said in a debate something as mild as "I think someone should open an investigation into Bush's war policy."
posted by sallybrown at 8:12 PM on October 9, 2016 [33 favorites]


OK, weird. Carry on, then.

I don't know if it's against election law in the States (I'd imagine it is, or should be!), but it's good general practice for politicians to have one account for their elected duties and another account specifically for campaigning. Otherwise you would be seen as using your office in campaigning to gain an unfair advantage.
posted by chrominance at 8:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well, a mug and a half of rum helped. I think Clinton won, seemed more sane. Trump treated it liked a rally, and seemed whiny. I'll Be interested to see the spin over the next 24 hours.
posted by jazon at 8:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [2 favorites]


Kellyanne conway (sp?) is losing control of her narrative on msnbc right now. She said "unless..." as though there was breaking point for her with Trump. Why they give this person airtime is beyond me and is a major reason why I stopped watching network news.

This pundit/cult of personality/spin doctor who lies for a living is sickening to me. When you treat this kind of person as a valuable source of information you devalue the News Business and devolve into Entertainment News which is unacceptable to me. ymmv.
posted by futz at 8:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Chuck Todd:

"He fired up his base. But the next 48 hours are going to be terrible for Trump. This is a terrible 30 second clip debate for him."
posted by chris24 at 8:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [19 favorites]


On the one hand, due to the obscenely low bar and media who want a close fight, this debate will go to Trump by a few points. On the other hand, the reason the tape has legs is that tomorrow we go back to asking each and every Republican whether they support Trump despite those words and acts, and whoever says yes, the tape is played again and they are asked again. The fact that Trump "won" this debate doesn't make that question any easier for anyone. And to the degree that they are more willing to hang on and support him, that's probably for the better as the replays and whatever else comes out slowly chips away at their older and evangelical supporters and drags them down with him. A debate win here or there matters, but assuming no meteors, Clinton will win the election. What's more important at this point is the down-ballot vote, particularly the House. The debate will have little to no effect on that, but the tape will continue to be the gift that keeps giving for days to come, even as it drops off the national media's hamsterish attention span.
posted by chortly at 8:13 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Then why didn't Obama pursue it?

I mean, this is hardly the place, but the list of reasons is miles long. There's years worth of debate on this site regarding the topic.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [9 favorites]


Then why didn't Obama pursue it?

Because jailing your political predecessors and opponents is a terrible precedent even if they deserve it.
posted by Justinian at 8:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [59 favorites]


It's been considered bad form to prosecute your predecessor in office. Something, something dignity of the office, yadda yadda.

Looking like you are politicizing the Justice system is a really big no no as well.
posted by vuron at 8:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


[Gonna very firmly suggest we not dig into the "should Bush et al have been prosecuted for war crimes" thing here.]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 8:14 PM on October 9, 2016 [31 favorites]




Trump's whole mode right now is to apply the blowtorch to the nickel ball of Hillary hatred and hope it burns the whole fucking country down so he can rule the ruins.
posted by argybarg at 8:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Rudy: Hillary went on and on and on (rambling) and didn't make any sense
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 8:15 PM on October 9, 2016


why didn't Obama pursue it?

Because Obama is, above fucking all, an institutionalist and believes that institutions have to survive the people who are the temporary occupants of institutional positions, and the institutional convention is that you do not prosecute a previous president or VP. If you haven't grasped that over the past seven and two-thirds years...
posted by holgate at 8:15 PM on October 9, 2016 [69 favorites]


I didn't watch it, but it sounds like this is similar to Pence "winning" the previous debate. A little bit of praise the night of, followed by a week's worth of clips he can be hammered on as his statements are dissected. Or at least until the next oppo bombshell hits and everyone forgets. Debates seem vastly overvalued in general.
posted by codacorolla at 8:16 PM on October 9, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, no. There's no way in hell I'd have a beer with Trump without full body armor, a chastity belt, and that weird roofie-detecting nail polish somebody invented last year. Oh, and two lawyers with tape recorders. No way.
posted by instamatic at 8:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [23 favorites]


Kellyanne conway (sp?) is losing control of her narrative on msnbc right now.

The curse of praising Kate McKinnon for accurately encapsulating your current political existence.
posted by holgate at 8:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Remember when the Bush administration tried to use the DOJ for petty political purposes and it was a big scandal called Attorneygate
posted by theodolite at 8:17 PM on October 9, 2016 [1 favorite]


Debates seem vastly overvalued in general.

Conducted as flashy media spectacles, yes. An actual, genuine debate would be valuable, meaningful, and widely ignored.
posted by kewb at 8:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'd have a beer with trump. I'd also wear a Pepe shirt, and bring a hidden tape recorder.
posted by codacorolla at 8:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [10 favorites]


Tiffany Trump skillfully pulls away from her dad's kiss #debate

The only thing involving Trump that doesn't make me even more livid right now.
posted by Talez at 8:18 PM on October 9, 2016 [98 favorites]


"THERE WAS SEMEN ON HER DRESS," says a goggle-eyed Rudy Giuliani to Chris Matthews, in response to a question about Juanita Broaddrick
posted by prize bull octorok at 8:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


I just want to say this would have been intolerable without you guys. Completely intolerable.
posted by corb at 8:19 PM on October 9, 2016 [48 favorites]


Clinton quite frankly would've been attacked as being vindictive if she went after Trump with both barrels tonight because of the Bill Clinton is a horrible person and somehow Hillary things raping children is funny attacks. She looked presidential and stately and unlikely to start WW3 if Putin does something shitty.

Trump on the other hand got into a temper tantrum argument with Anderson Cooper.
posted by vuron at 8:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [8 favorites]


Where are people finding the 'talk timer' on this one? I cannot seem to find anything on 'the googlez' giving total talk time...
posted by das_2099 at 8:20 PM on October 9, 2016


Beer number 2 post debate reflection:

The most concrete plan trump has given for his plans as president were detailing exactly how he would prosecute Hillary Clinton.

That's fucked up.
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [78 favorites]


@davidfrum
Hillary didn't wholly win that debate. Just the election.
posted by chris24 at 8:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [25 favorites]


Tiffany Trump skillfully pulls away from her dad's kiss #debate

This is beautiful. I am thinking she truly is her mother's daughter...
posted by mochapickle at 8:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [20 favorites]


Trump does not drink. Clinton drinks Crown Royal and probably saves the purple bags because they might be useful.
posted by holgate at 8:20 PM on October 9, 2016 [67 favorites]


Best case either way this was, to me, a tie. Which, fortunately, means we go 110% right back to the trump audio tape.

I think republicans looking for a reason to distance themselves from Trump have it, and this debate performance isn't going to stop that. The bleeding has slowed, it hasn't stopped.

Watching this without the sound would have been interesting, Trump looked like Mussolini (sp?) and Clinton looked presidential.
posted by Farce_First at 8:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [4 favorites]


How the fuck did you New Yorkers elect this cretin
posted by prize bull octorok at 8:21 PM on October 9, 2016 [