Ask him a question: it glances off, he obfuscates, he dances.
September 26, 2016 5:14 PM   Subscribe

Tonight at 9PM Eastern Time, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump face off at Hofstra University for the first 2016 Presidential Debate. Print out your Bingo cards and tune in to any of the major networks. Alternately, YouTube is partnering with NBC, PBS, the Washington Post, Newsmax, Fox News, Telemundo, and Univision to stream coverage. Twitter is offering Bloomberg coverage and Facebook is streaming ABC and PBS. You can even watch on your Samsung Gear VR or Oculus Rift via Altspace VR.

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posted by ChurchHatesTucker (3820 comments total) 112 users marked this as a favorite
 
I'm already miserable and it's not even started.

If Bloomberg is fact-checking live, I'm gonna watch it on their channel.
posted by Windigo at 5:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Bloomberg is on. Time to pour the scotch and make the popcorn!
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 5:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Thanks for pointing out that Bloomberg will be fact-checking, ChurchHatesTucker. Very helpful.
posted by zarq at 5:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The world is everything that is the case.

The logical statements that compose the world have led it to this. There is a radical inequality between logical statements that can sometimes have one statement exist with the importance of many millions of others.

The world is at stake, quite literally.

Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
posted by hleehowon at 5:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Brb, gotta to refill my xanax.
posted by snickerdoodle at 5:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Okay, so we're doin' this
posted by zachlipton at 5:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [51 favorites]


Clicking on a post's timestamp updates your position in the thread
mind.blown

I also just noticed, while trying to figure out WTF this meant, that you can favorite an FPP from the FRONT PAGE ITSELF.

Do I even know you Metafilter?
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


We've already eaten a bucket of popcorn and it hasn't even started.
posted by strange chain at 5:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

wouldn't that be beautiful if they both got it in they're heads to stare down the other for the first 10 minutes!
posted by sammyo at 5:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary should recreate the cane scene from Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory on the way to the podium.
posted by drezdn at 5:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [48 favorites]




I'm five hours behind on the old thread. Have I missed anything vital today?
posted by a box and a stick and a string and a bear at 5:20 PM on September 26, 2016


Ensconced at a corner table at best bar in the world. If anyone in North Brooklyn needs a place to go, I recommend this place (there are 4 TVs, I have a table that can fit two more people, and they're playing 80s music until the main event starts up).
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"My opponent is known for being a liar. I would rather talk with you about my vision and plans for the future of our country instead of correcting his fallacies. So tonight, I'm going to do something a little different.

My team will be fact-checking live @TheBriefing2016, and when there's a lie, I will simply [say "lie"], [make a 'thumbs down' had gesture], [cough], [write "lie" on the palm of my hand and hold it up jk I brought a mannequin hand and have placed it on the podium - look how large this hand is].

I believe in you, America. Follow @TheBriefing2016 for real-time fact-check."

[fake, for now]
posted by erisfree at 5:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


If you watch it on your Oculus, is dank Pepe moderating?
posted by jonnay at 5:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I got a 6-pack of mirror pond for this. And for the sake of my twitter friends that can't deal, I'll be commenting here exclusively.

I'm gonna love you! and squeeze you! and hug you! and dress you up!
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]






I'm five hours behind on the old thread. Have I missed anything vital today?


We figured out a sure-fire way to beat Trump.
posted by drezdn at 5:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
posted by dglynn at 5:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


ChurchHatesTucker: "You can even watch on your Samsung Gear VR or Oculus Rift via Altspace VR."

Or you can get a Vive and not contribute to Trump's biggest nouveau-riche fan.
posted by Rhaomi at 5:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


The audience is loading in for my show right now, they're going to show the debate to a crowd of 200 people. I'm at a place where I'm already feeling mild anxiety about it, so I don't know if the audience will make it better or worse.
posted by nevercalm at 5:22 PM on September 26, 2016


I'm hosting a debate party (so probably won't be in here much), and so many politically minded friends have declined because they can't handle watching the debates this year.
posted by Sara C. at 5:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Official Eschaton Debate Drinking Game
1) Open up bottle of alcohol.

2) Drink it.
posted by octothorpe at 5:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


I have the day off tomorrow, a handle of Jameson, roast chicken, a little grass, and the dart gun. Red five standing by.
posted by vrakatar at 5:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [60 favorites]


L. Wittgenstein talked of the senselessness of philosophy. His life began along much the same lines as D. J. Trump, with a merciless and domineering father (K. Wittgenstein) who ruled the household with an iron fist and held that his sons would continue their outrageous business success and hatred of the world. Both had brothers who died from the psychological consequences of such treatment: Wittgenstein, by outright suicide, DJ Trump, by drink.

But they lived radically different lives, in the shadow of the fascist philosophies that impinged upon their lives: Wittgenstein put forth his austere view of the world in the dichotomy of the facts that inhere in the world, Trump in the shadow of the darkness of his own self upon the world. Wittgenstein and his siblings paid a weregeld, a thousand kings' ransom in gold to escape the shadow of Hitler. Trump lives a life pointing towards fascism.

This is the case. It is the existence of atomic facts. The world remains the case.
posted by hleehowon at 5:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


I know we dream of some elaborate system of ownage, but honestly the best thing for Hillary to do is to play it safe for this first debate and let Trump talk himself into trouble. Trump's unforced errors are Hillary's best offense.
posted by savetheclocktower at 5:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm also having combined "what if nobody comes to my party"/"what if too many people come to my party"/"oh fuck Trump is running for President and it's actually close" anxiety.
posted by Sara C. at 5:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I made a literal plate of beans special for tonight. I won't say it has half a cup of bourbon in it, but I'm not not saying it.
posted by T.D. Strange at 5:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Empress, spill it--where are you? I'm stuck at home with sleeping kids, but otherwise I'd be there.
posted by Liesl at 5:25 PM on September 26, 2016


Much like the election, the best approach for watching may be just to black out and see what the result is after the fact.
posted by Artw at 5:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Mike Murphy of Radio Free GOP (a #NeverTrump Repub.) will be on ABC post-debate.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I have made the guacamole and will be opening a brand new bottle of Glenmorangie soon. I'm watching tonight with my pro-Trump son, so I am doubly anxious.
posted by Biblio at 5:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I have four pints of cider, a mountain of salty snacks, and a twisting feeling in my stomach that can only be relieved by Trump's humiliation.
posted by lovecrafty at 5:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wasn't going to watch it but someone pointed out the whole "first general election debate for a female presidential nominee evar" thing, and yeah, I have to see that. It's not HRC's fault the Republicans fucked up this year, and she's earned it.
posted by zutalors! at 5:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Are we still doing fanfic? I hope Hillary walks on stage and karate chops Donald in the throat, crushing his windpipe
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 5:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


This is a night to get drunk and talk shit at my laptop, I can't worry about the election results rn. this is my escape from that worry hahahahaha. jeeeze.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I just want to tell you both good luck, were all counting on you.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]




Mefites, we who will not watch* salute you.

*for many reasons; in my case a fear of being unable to handle my rising gorge and manage spontaneous bile eruptions.
posted by nubs at 5:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Went out for pizza too soon, when does this thing start? :-)
posted by sammyo at 5:28 PM on September 26, 2016


It's not impossible. She used to bulls-eye womp rats in her T-16 back home.
posted by petebest at 5:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


Debate format:
The first debate will be divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on major topics to be selected by the moderator and announced at least one week before the debate. The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. Candidates will then have an opportunity to respond to each other. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a deeper discussion of the topic.
Read more at http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-presidential-debate-schedule/#gsq8LheOVKXxtQF9.99
I haven't watched a debate live in several years (just read the transcript the next day), so I could be wrong, but this seems like a novel format. I am a bit concerned that it doesn't say each candidate will get equal time (besides the two minutes) and really don't want to see Trump just talk over everyone and it be okay because of the format.
posted by a non mouse, a cow herd at 5:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Who is the older man they keep showing? He's with a woman with long blond hair. Giuliani just took a pic with him.
posted by double bubble at 5:31 PM on September 26, 2016


She used to bulls-eye womp rats in her T-16 back home.

So that's what Trump's piece comes from.
posted by drezdn at 5:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Went out for pizza too soon, when does this thing start? :-)

"Officially just after 9:00PM Eastern" according to C-SPAN.
posted by XMLicious at 5:31 PM on September 26, 2016


It will be interesting to know afterward what % of the time Trump was talking vs. Clinton.
posted by prefpara at 5:31 PM on September 26, 2016


I got a 6-pack of mirror pond for this.

I'm on the second of a sixer of Neshaminy Creek County Line IPA. Just moved back east and figured I'd drink a swing state beer for good luck.
posted by HumuloneRanger at 5:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Liesl - just memailed you in case that was too close to being an ad.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:32 PM on September 26, 2016


Unfortunately, I have to miss this, but my liver thanks me. I can't do that much drinking anymore, not on a school night at least.
posted by Capt. Renault at 5:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I found the Bloomberg channel for the fact checking. I'm watching it with my 13 year old. It's the first time he's been interested enough to want to watch with me. I have surgery tomorrow, so I'm doing the debate with only the aid of chicken salad and a stiff black tea. I've strapped in, have my bingo cards, and am ready for some Hillary.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 5:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm sad Gennifer Flowers won't be attending, because I thought the most power move Hillary could pull would be to say "Hi Gennifer, glad to see you here! Can you give something to Donald for me? Thanks." And then she gives Gennifer the middle finger.

/fanfic
posted by fatbird at 5:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [42 favorites]


Call him a millionaire Hillary.
posted by adept256 at 5:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


Note that Bloomberg is the only TV network that has committed to live fact checking onscreen.

After all, only one campaign has asked for effective permission to lie during the debates. (Trump's, of course, need I add?)
posted by Gelatin at 5:33 PM on September 26, 2016


My debate dream is for Hillary to begin with something like, "You've had a lot of say about me lately; now that we're here together I look forward to you having the courage to say them to my face."
posted by peeedro at 5:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


I've been sick for a few days with the cold from hell, which is now turning in to the sinus infection from hell. I'm sick to death of the election, but I feel like the stakes are too high not to watch the debate. I can't decide whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that I won't be able to tell whether it's the Trump that's making me ill or the actual illness. I guess maybe there's some relief it not having to know it's entirely him?
posted by mudpuppie at 5:34 PM on September 26, 2016


Although I am rethinking my nickname of "Best bar in the world" after seeing that they have chosen Fox News for their broadcast.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


From the other thread (the link was broken):

Donald Trump's Cruel Streak: For decades, the candidate has willfully inflicted pain and humiliation.
Donald J. Trump has a cruel streak. He willfully causes pain and distress to others. And he repeats this public behavior so frequently that it’s fair to call it a character trait. Any single example would be off-putting but forgivable. Being shown many examples across many years should make any decent person recoil in disgust.

Judge for yourself if these examples qualify...
posted by homunculus at 5:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Not even kidding, I've been saving the last few Ativans from a prescription a year ago and tonight I'm taking one.
posted by HotToddy at 5:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Who is the older man they keep showing? He's with a woman with long blond hair. Giuliani just took a pic with him.

Cuomo and Sandra Lee?
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 5:35 PM on September 26, 2016


Call him a millionaire Hillary

that's like kicking him in the balls though right?
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just want to tell you both good luck, were all counting on you.
posted by kirkaracha at 5:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Much like the election, the best approach for watching may be just to black out and see what the result is after the fact.

Well, a fugue state isn't the best way to experience a presidential debate but I don't think anyone would blame you.
posted by indubitable at 5:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Or you can get a Vive and not contribute to Trump's biggest nouveau-riche fan.

Vive indeed also works, and there's a 2D option for Mac & PC.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:36 PM on September 26, 2016


hleehowon - Who is this Trump of which you speak?
posted by wittgenstein at 5:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary in red makes me so happy!
posted by agregoli at 5:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


C-span will have a split screen with both candidates.
posted by triggerfinger at 5:38 PM on September 26, 2016


Since I'm avoiding drinking this month, I'm avoiding social media until post debates.

I'll check back in about 2.5 hours and see how things went.

I just want to tell you both, good luck. We're all counting you.
posted by mrzarquon at 5:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




Cuomo and Sandra Lee? : ) no - but it did take me a minute to figure out who she was.
posted by double bubble at 5:38 PM on September 26, 2016


Found a forgotten bottle of Aviation Gin yesterday, just in time for the presidential debate today. Some would call this coincidence but I know better.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 5:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Freaking Pence is there with a saintly face
posted by Tarumba at 5:39 PM on September 26, 2016


"Tell your dad, you try dragging Bill and Kaine up and down the floor for 48 minutes."
posted by drezdn at 5:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


CSPAN is showing the auditorium and while I'm no expert on stage lighting, it looks like the same setup as last cycle, where the lighting makes the audience invisible behind the moderator from the perspective of the podium. So all of the Gennifer Flowers and front-row intimidation stuff was pretty much just hot air. In case that wasn't clear already.
posted by feloniousmonk at 5:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Right, the candidates won't be able to see the audience much if at all. From their POV it'll be the two candidates and Lester Holt. This shouldn't be much of a change for Trump since from his POV life is always Donald Trump and misc.
posted by Justinian at 5:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Hey, I recognize that title! Thanks!

I polled a few friends on GChat, and we're split between watching from a bike at the gym, watching with a group on campus, and playing Skyrim with the debate on in the background until it gets too stressful. I'll lobby for Bloomberg on the big screen here, because they're fact-checking and CNN's livestream froze every 15 minutes during the primary debates.

I'm still signed up for Evan McMullin's emails. He informs me that he'll be livetweeting his response and also doing some things on Facebook. This is not his breakout moment.
posted by Leslie Knope at 5:40 PM on September 26, 2016




The other similarity between L. Wittgenstein and D. J. Trump is that in their entire lives they didn't really have a single person who considered them a friend and who they considered a friend, and it's pretty easy to see why. Two avatars of alienation upon the earth.

H. Arendt thought that this was the fundamental cause of totalitarianism (without characteristic reference to left or right totalitarianism) - the grand alienation that leads the inability to understand human consequences and human decision and to treat human beings as machines, the occasionalist attitude towards that grand mass of humanity that leads to religious worship of mere mortal men, the paranoia, the arbitrariness, the self-destruction, the megalomania, the despair.
posted by hleehowon at 5:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]




[A few short comments deleted --fair warning, I may not leave notes this thread when I delete short stuff. Very short/"OMG!" stuff is better in Chat, Meta stuff belongs in Meta, and I salute you all.]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 5:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


Cloudy with a ten percent chance of Armageddon.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 5:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]




Much like the election, the best approach for watching may be just to black out and see what the result is after the fact.

Hangovers and bad news don't mix well.
posted by rocket88 at 5:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am totally cheating because I'm behind in last thread - Republican social media has been BLOWING UP with the Cruz endorsement - but I would not miss this, come hell, high water, or orange verbal diarrhea on the screen.
posted by corb at 5:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [42 favorites]


I'm sitting in Vesuvio's in North Beach here in San Francisco. A manhattan before me. I'm going to a book reading at City Lights with Ngugi Wa Thiong'o. I know who I am voting for. The idea of watching this "debate" makes me feel like my cynicism about politics will implode upon itself. Part of me wants to watch hoping that you know who will self destruct in a blaze of flies. But part of me is afraid that something else will happen. I'll read the thread tomorrow. My best wishes to you who choose to watch...
posted by njohnson23 at 5:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm watching at Stonewall Inn and it's jam-packed. We're here, we're queer, we're about to get fucked up. Look for me on the background of a Full Frontal episode later!
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [61 favorites]


When the debate infuriates you tonight, just watch this. Watch it over, and over again. (Dee Gordon, of the Florida Marlins, who lost their pitcher yesterday in a boating accident, hit a home run on the Marlin's first at bat tonight)
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


Is there a live stream with no talking heads, like there was for the DNC? If that's C-SPAN, does anyone know if this is the link that will go live?
posted by gilrain at 5:46 PM on September 26, 2016




Yay, corb got unlost! Welcome back!
posted by a box and a stick and a string and a bear at 5:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


My debate survival kit: Russell's Reserve bourbon, yo.
posted by Gelatin at 5:48 PM on September 26, 2016


This clip of cursing reporters (?) pushing their way into the debate is going viral. Stay safe out there folks!
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Looks like Trump updated his Positions page before the debate (new ones on left, old screengrabs on right & here: (link)"

Somebody get that news to Clinton...
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:48 PM on September 26, 2016


I'm a little concerned that expectations for Trump are so low that if he manages to put together more than one complete sentence over the course of the evening, everyone will be hailing it as a major victory.
posted by sfenders at 5:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"...as Americans running to decide whether Donald Trump is presidential..."

BRB gotta send my kid upstairs so he doesn't overhear some dude talking about his dick or using hate speech.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 5:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]




Reminder to narrate action as much as possible once it starts for those of us on boats/in space/doing night-night with toddlers. Ty how is everyone.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Republican social media has been BLOWING UP with the Cruz endorsement

As in "how dare that unprincipled rat" or "thank Ford our boy has come home! Onward with Trump!"?
posted by Gelatin at 5:50 PM on September 26, 2016


I dream on a debate where the expected moderator is missing - when the candidates walk out, it's Jon Stewart, Samantha Bee, Larry Wilmore, and John Oliver.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


My facebook feed has been miraculously politics free for the last year, and now... it's suddenly not. Dammit.
posted by Torosaurus at 5:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


There's a bar at the primary debates? Really? (via MSNBC)
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hopefully people are calling Cruz out for the complete lack of principle (and spine) evident in his about face.
posted by vuron at 5:51 PM on September 26, 2016


Lol I'm literally panic crying in the car on the way to work right now snd I'm stupid happy y'all're here with me
posted by moonlight on vermont at 5:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


So: Why Hofstra? They were a 2012 site, too. Is there something special about Hofstra that makes it ideal for hosting high profile debates? It's not a very well known school.
posted by indubitable at 5:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Donald Trump as an option in the presidential election is about one step removed from whatshisname Camacho from Idiocracy running. So congrats on living up to my expectations America!
posted by some loser at 5:52 PM on September 26, 2016


Okay here is how I'm doing the debate.

I'm in my bed all nestled under the covers.
I just started Season 1 Episode 1 of True Blood.
I have a pot (yes a pot) of hot chocolate.
I have this thread open.
I have a link set up for a stream but I can't handle these things live so it's only there in case I read something here that just has to be seen.

Thank you for the people watching and posting for those of us who just can't do it.
posted by Jalliah at 5:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


indubitable, I believe Hofstra has been hosting since the 80s.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:53 PM on September 26, 2016


7,500 out of 11,000 Hofstra students present at the debate. That's some impressive investment.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 5:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


LETS DO THIS
posted by chaoticgood at 5:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I am claiming hazard pay for this viewing since the network seems to be solidly on FOX News for this broadcast.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Lol I'm literally panic crying in the car on the way to work right now

You are a passenger? say yes please! otherwise please put your phone down?
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'll have the debate on the main screen and the Saints game on my laptop and it'll be a toss-up which one I'm more stoically resigned about
posted by savetheclocktower at 5:54 PM on September 26, 2016




Hofstra has done it before, as you say, and were able to fill in on 10 weeks' notice.
posted by Shmuel510 at 5:54 PM on September 26, 2016


I'm doing this sober. This thread may very well chronicle my descent into madness.
posted by mochapickle at 5:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I have assumed Standard Election Year Posture, which is not unlike Gollum hunching over and hissing at everything that moves, precious.
posted by Hermione Granger at 5:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


As in "how dare that unprincipled rat" or "thank Ford our boy has come home! Onward with Trump!"?

1/3 former Cruz people talking about how they shouldn't have put their faith in men and doubling down on #NeverTrump, 1/3 Cruz people saying if Cruz is endorsing then they will vote Trump, 1/3 knives out for self serving. If I get through other thread and they haven't been posted, I'll serve you guys up some hilarity.
posted by corb at 5:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


I'm enjoying watching the housekeeping announcements on CSPAN.
posted by joedan at 5:55 PM on September 26, 2016


So: Why Hofstra?

On MSNBC they said a school in Ohio was scheduled for this debate but dropped out. Hofstra had done the last two and had the infrastructure, plus deep pocketed donors to fund it, so volunteered.
posted by bluecore at 5:55 PM on September 26, 2016


Guilani is looking particularly ghoulish tonight.
posted by chaoticgood at 5:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Im eating dinner.

I feel like I'm at the Restaurant at the End of America.
posted by cacofonie at 5:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


There's a lot of contrast in how Bill Clinton came in shaking everyone's hands while Melania Trump appeared not even to make eye contact.
posted by feloniousmonk at 5:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Wayne State pulled out due to concerns about the money required to ensure adequate security.
posted by carmicha at 5:56 PM on September 26, 2016


Somebody should have put a whoopie cushion under Holt's seat
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 5:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also, both candidates have huge organizations in NY
posted by rosswald at 5:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


You and me both, mochapickle. But though we go into the valley without righteous armor, we shall have each other, and we shall emerge from the tentacles intact. Verily.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 5:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


i haven't been excited, depressed, panicked, or inspired all election. 5 minutes of cnn and I am desperately regretting my decision to give up smoking 12 MONTHS AGO.
posted by Glibpaxman at 5:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Took an anxiety rebuild break from this slow motion nightmare election. Will go back and catch up on the threads i missed one day, promise. For now, this projector, this growler of beer and I would like to join you for thos debate, Metafilter. Hello again everyone, hope you've been well.
posted by EatTheWeak at 5:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Shit I'm really nervous. Good luck everyone, Trump please just be yourself.
posted by Tarumba at 5:57 PM on September 26, 2016


Wow, sounds they're actually going to act like adults. (Massive) Advantage for Hillary.

We'll see how long that lasts.
posted by porpoise at 5:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Watching at a Somerville for Hillary event. Definitely a packed house.
posted by peacheater at 5:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


What an eerie quiet!
posted by Evstar at 5:58 PM on September 26, 2016


Donald Trump as an option in the presidential election is about one step removed from whatshisname Camacho from Idiocracy running. So congrats on living up to my expectations America!

Except that Camacho was a good president.
posted by Sys Rq at 5:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Fingers crossed that this is Trumps Nixon moment.
posted by valkane at 5:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm excited about how everyone in the nation will agree tomorrow on the outcome of this debate
posted by beerperson at 5:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


If there's really a lack of audience response, as requested by the moderator (watching the prelims on CSPAN), that may throw a class clown like Trump. A top student like Hillary won't need the instant feedback.
posted by zennie at 5:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The writing on the panels in the background look vaguely like something on the opening for QI. If only Stephen Fry were moderating.
posted by Death and Gravity at 5:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


>So: Why Hofstra?

On MSNBC they said a school in Ohio was scheduled for this debate but dropped out. Hofstra had done the last two and had the infrastructure, plus deep pocketed donors to fund it, so volunteered.


Wright State University in Ohio was originally scheduled, but withdrew citing security and the costs of hosting (and the intersection of those two issues: the costs of providing security). Wright State was expecting the total cost to run to over $8 million; I don't know if Hofstra -- which was already the alternate site -- was better equipped to cover the cost, or has simply already paid many of those costs from when it hosted the debates before.
posted by cjelli at 5:59 PM on September 26, 2016


For those of us not watching it, what are the instructions/etc they're giving?
posted by LobsterMitten at 5:59 PM on September 26, 2016


Does anyone know who the couple is that Bill is sitting next to?
posted by peeedro at 5:59 PM on September 26, 2016


Every time you say that, SecretAgentSockpuppet, the tentacles get ten feet longer.

These are some amazing tentacles, the best. Absolute best tentatcles.

To keep this substantive and contribute to future readers, Lester Holt's mike is live, possibly inadvertently, so we're enjoying him clearing his throat and talking to his producers.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 5:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Lester Holt to nation on the CSPAN feed: "You're broken up. You're broken up."
posted by Rykey at 5:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I have a bottle full of tequila, a bag full of ice, and three margarita mixers. It's my sanity insulator.
posted by corb at 6:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


This whole election has made me quite uncomfortable.
posted by mazola at 6:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Looks like Lester's earpiece is giving him grief. They've cut his audio. Oh, its back!
posted by valkane at 6:00 PM on September 26, 2016


Lobstermitten: mostly they've asked the audience to not react audibly, so as to prevent delays.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:00 PM on September 26, 2016


C-SPAN streaming for the WIN!

##### DEBATE ON #####
posted by PROD_TPSL at 6:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Rules: no audience participation, debate is 6 segments of 15 mins apiece, with a question beginning each segment, 2 mins for candidate to answer, 2 mins for other to respond, then 11 minutes of supposed actual debate between the two.
posted by bologna on wry at 6:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Honestly, I'm glad CSPAN exists for it's actual purpose but I'm also always delighted by these raw feed bits of downtime that other channels would cut away from.

Lester Holt just had his earpiece replaced live on the air.
posted by cortex at 6:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Watching this on the Washington Post YouTube channel, they're carrying Lester Holt doing the mic checks live ('I can hear you, but you're breaking up; I can hear you; I can hear you; yep, that's good'), which is delightful: I don't think I've seen anyone carry this much of the mundane, every-day needs-to-happen infrastructure moments before.

Being able to stream the whole thing feels much more like being in the room than watching the on-air, cut-from-commercial-once-the-candidates-show-up version.
posted by cjelli at 6:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Conversation at Best Bar In The World, between me and the people at the next table, and the TV which is - amazingly - showing Fox:

FOX NEWS HEAD: So what Hilary has to do is prove why we should vote for her!

Silence

PEOPLE AT NEXT TABLE: ....Do you know if other networks are showing this?

ME: no, they all are.

PEOPLE AT NEXT TABLE: ...So why are we watching Fox?

ME: Beats the shit outta me.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [38 favorites]


WayneWright State
Former in Detroit; latter in Dayton.
 
posted by Herodios at 6:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ah the time honored tradition of getting fucked up and hate-watching the US presidential debates.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


I agree, the awkward silence and behind-the-scenes-ness of CSPAN is fantastic.
posted by bologna on wry at 6:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'll be watching on PBS, not sure I can handle the cspan splitscreen.
posted by vrakatar at 6:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Empress: see if you can bribe the bartender with the promise of not throwing a glass through the television if he changes the channel.
posted by corb at 6:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Posted this in chat, but I checked in with my community coordinator and he confirmed Sean Astin is coming to the phonebank at our HQ tomorrow night!
posted by sara is disenchanted at 6:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


One minute warning from Lester.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:03 PM on September 26, 2016


You know, the same way my paranoid self was worrying that Obama would be assassinated , now with everything going on I have been a little worried about a terrorist attack on an event like this, domestic or international.
posted by Tarumba at 6:03 PM on September 26, 2016


The tension is palpable.
posted by valkane at 6:03 PM on September 26, 2016


T minus ten

We've gone for main engine start
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:03 PM on September 26, 2016


boyfriend is texting me every other minute about this...this is why I didn't want to watch with him.
posted by zutalors! at 6:03 PM on September 26, 2016


PEOPLE AT NEXT TABLE: ...So why are we watching Fox?

ME: Beats the shit outta me.


Have you asked the bartender to change to another one of the Big Three?
posted by Greg Nog at 6:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I actually have butterflies. Why do I have butterflies?

I'm probably more nervous than Clinton is.
posted by Deathalicious at 6:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


C-SPAN streaming for the WIN!

I'm trying to watch on C-Span (via SlingTV), but there's both a stock ticker at the bottom of the screen and a scrolling headline feed on the right. ADD FAIL. What's the most painless way to watch?
posted by mudpuppie at 6:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fingers crossed that this is Trumps Nixon moment.

Hopefully the one where Nixon lost...
posted by Sangermaine at 6:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


C-SPAN: https://www.c-span.org/2016presidentialDebates/
posted by Shmuel510 at 6:05 PM on September 26, 2016


Ladies and gentlemen, you coulda been anywhere in the world tonight, but you’re here with us in New York City. Are you ready for a cabinet meeting trainwreck?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [44 favorites]


Flop sweat, Sangermaine, I'm hoping for flop sweat.
posted by valkane at 6:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


PBS YouTube live stream is good so far
posted by thefoxgod at 6:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I felt a terrible chill go down my spine when Holt spoke Trump's name. After all this time, it's still so profoundly surreal and absurd to hear him announced as a candidate.
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


He's wearing the blue power tie.
posted by wabbittwax at 6:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"There are two more Presidential debates scheduled" says Lester, so don't blame him if you're unhappy with his performance.
posted by zachlipton at 6:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump looks nervous to me already. He delayed his walk to the stage and didn't even make it half way across. It looked like he was trying to stay as close to his podium as possible to me. Very stiff during the handshake too.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I can't tell if this is one of the seven seals breaking or something Alan Moore wrote about.
posted by Sphinx at 6:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


My debate strategy: I'm going to play Dishonored and check in in this thread when I mess up my ghost run and have to reload. I figure it will be good practice if I need to navigate through a corrupt, decaying hellscape.
posted by bibliowench at 6:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Did they dress in the opposite party's colors on purpose?
posted by Sangermaine at 6:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


DEBATE BEGINS
posted by glonous keming at 6:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


TV shot just debunked the podium idiocy that was floating around the net all day. She has no riser to stand on. Her podium is 1 foot shorter than his.
posted by zarq at 6:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


RED AS THE EYES OF MARS
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


(I'm not seeing any ad stuff or scrolls on the C-SPAN page, but then I have uBlock on...)
posted by Shmuel510 at 6:06 PM on September 26, 2016


My 12yr old son explained to me that each candidate has to wear something of the other party? What? I am not the born-american, what do I know?
posted by carmina at 6:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
posted by leotrotsky at 6:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


FUCK YEAH INFRASTRUCTURE
posted by tonycpsu at 6:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


SHE IS SO GOOD!
posted by valkane at 6:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy christ...I am clenching, I am clenching, I am so uptight.....
posted by but no cigar at 6:07 PM on September 26, 2016


We are not going to make this debate about appearance but holy shit Clinton is wearing a superhero costume.
posted by OverlappingElvis at 6:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


It's the end of the first quarter, and the Saints and the Falcons are tied 7 - 7.
posted by yhbc at 6:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Did they dress in the opposite party's colors on purpose?

I would guess that HRC knew the background would be blue, so went with something that would pop on the screen. This ain't her first rodeo.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


[Folks again please, the short OMG REACTION stuff goes to chat, the actual people-can-follow-along comments in here.]
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 6:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


aaaaaaaaaaa I can't manage both this thread and Chat... I guess I'll stay here because Chat is acting really flaky in my browser.

Trump is trying so hard to look thoughtful and intelligent but still fierce and combative.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:08 PM on September 26, 2016


Clinton crossed to Trump's area of the stage to shake his hand. A display of territorial dominance?
posted by homunculus at 6:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


My husband just bailed on me and is hiding in bed watching Narcos on his iPad. Metafilter, it is dangerous to go alone! I feel legitimately sick to my stomach.
posted by lydhre at 6:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


My 12yr old son explained to me that each candidate has to wear something of the other party? What? I am not the born-american, what do I know?

He's just messing with you
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


RED AS THE BLOOD OF HER ENEMIES
posted by numaner at 6:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Oh, is he going for Sad, Morose Trump tonight?
posted by Panjandrum at 6:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Donald and I... are on the stage tonight. Donald, it's good to be with you."

(Clearly stifling laughter at the whole idea.)
posted by Rangi at 6:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Okay - crowd in Best Bar applauded after Hillary's comments, and laughed when Trump said that "our jobs are fleeing to Mexico...." I feel better about the crowd at Best Bar.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Ford isn't leaving, asshat.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump jumps immediately into how bad everything is, on the opening jobs question. Zero to Mexico in literally five seconds.
posted by cortex at 6:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Hillary's expression says what she's hearing is exactly what she expected from Trump.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 6:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


As a high-sensation-seeker, I'm watching this sober.
posted by iffthen at 6:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump seems much more nervous than I've seen him before. Perhaps that's his "serious face" manner? Clinton is her normal unrattleable self.
posted by Justinian at 6:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He's doing at least mild stream-of-consciousness
posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 6:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary opened strong, clear policy positions, hoped to earn our vote. Well done. Donald, is word salad.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


First question and DT's just repeating the same garbage that he spews on the campaign trail. Tired and sad!
posted by chaoticgood at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016


So we're looking at sober, quiet Trump.
posted by zarq at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016


Trump is sounding...sane. Is this his strategy this time, to rein in the explicit craziness and present himself as just a reasonable alternative?
posted by Sangermaine at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's talking about that Mexican plant builder already
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Please Hillary, call Trump on the moving of jobs overseas....
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


First exchange is already hope vs. fear
posted by craven_morhead at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Future generations will look at transcripts of the things Donald Trump has said and wonder how we failed to recognize his word salad as a sign of brain injury or mental illness.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


He's been coached, he's trying.
posted by vrakatar at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's pushing the negative approach already. Doesn't this only pander to his base?
posted by arcticseal at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016


Fuck power ties, she's power suit
posted by erisfree at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm surprised that Trump has one substantive answer. It isn't good, but it had some substance.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He plans to reduce the corporate tax rate from 35 to 15%.
posted by winna at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016


Right, he's clearly trying to come off as sane and sober. But the monotone droning is not a good look for him.
posted by Justinian at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Donald Trump seems to have a stiff neck or something, he isn't able to completely turn his head left without turning his upper body. Is that normal for him or is it something else?
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's doing his stump speech in a very energy way. China...Mexico is the 8th wonder of the world...carrier air conditioning...my plan I'll be reducing taxes...will be a job creator.

Ugh If you had Voodoo economics on your bingo card you can cross that off.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Think about this: 100 million are watching. 100 billion human beings have ever been born upon this earth. So of all the human beings who have ever lived, one in one thousand are watching, apprehensive.
posted by hleehowon at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Trump sounds like an old Borscht Belt comic who can't even bother to pretend his act doesn't bore him to tears.
posted by EarBucket at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trumped up trickle down!
posted by AlexiaSky at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Oh god she tried a zinger
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"We need to have a tax system that rewards work and not financial transactions." Is Hillary's rebuttal.
posted by winna at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016


Prop bet: how many bars of Xanax did Trump pop an hour ago?
2 bars +120
3 bars +100
4 brs -110
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016


Hahhahaha, did he just say his cutting taxes plan will be the 'biggest job creator since Ronald Reagan'? Hahaha.
posted by lovecrafty at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Hillary made a dad joke, DRINK.
posted by maryr at 6:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


The effective corporate tax is far below 35% though.
posted by zachlipton at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


(While red and blue have come to mean GOP and Democrats in recent years, that's a label of convenience, not anything official.)

The color coding we're familiar with today didn't stick until the iconic (and extremely lengthy) election of 2000, when The New York Times and USA Today published their first full-color election maps. The Times spread used red for Republicans because "red begins with r, Republican begins with r," said the senior graphics editor Archie Tse, "it was a more natural association." The election, which didn't end until mid-December, firmly established Democrats as the blue party and Republicans as the red — denotations which will likely hold fast for some time to come.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump will bring us "Trumped up trickle down economics". Ha.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Not to feed a conspiracy, but it sounds like one candidate has a cold. Constantly inhaling through their nose, like if one had a runny nose.

And it's Trump.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


As a high-sensation-seeker, I'm watching this sober.

You are braver than I...

I'm rocking a true cocktail style margarita (1:1:3 triple sec, fresh lime juice, tequila), which has stolen the job from a hard working American margarita
posted by Panjandrum at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Oooh damn, "he started with 14 mil from his father"
posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [20 favorites]



Future generations will look at transcripts of the things Donald Trump has said and wonder how we failed to recognize his word salad as a sign of brain injury or mental illness.


CF George W Bush
posted by asockpuppet at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


She made the political personal, nice.
posted by vrakatar at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


chaoticgood: "First question and DT's just repeating the same garbage that he spews on the campaign trail. Tired and sad!"

His two minute bits were always going to be these prepared statements.
posted by Mitheral at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016


Clinton already telling us how to silkscreen, sources say she's gonna teach us how to staple zines in the next question
posted by Greg Nog at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [54 favorites]


Trump on jobs: Companies keep leaving the US; we're doing horrible; going to Mexico, going to China, "we cannot let it happen" - his plan: reduce taxes for companies from 35% to 15%. Renegotiate all trade deals.

Clinton's rebuttal: Need a tax system that rewards work, not just money movements. His plan is "trumped-up trickle down." [real quote]
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump sounds like an old Borscht Belt comic who can't even bother to pretend his act doesn't bore him to tears.

"Um, yeah, and trade."
posted by leotrotsky at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016


Donald Trump seems to have a stiff neck or something, he isn't able to completely turn his head left without turning his upper body. Is that normal for him or is it something else?

The lizard wearing his skin doesn't like highly airconditioned rooms.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I'm on the Bloomberg feed, but where is the fact checking? Is it supposed to be on the inline Twitter feed?
posted by bonje at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


His answer spoke right to people in small blue collar towns with vacant warehouses and shopfronts. Problem is, it's corporate America that steals those jobs, not Mexico or China. It's easier to blame them, though, and I think he scored on that one. :)
posted by mudpuppie at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


He's talking about that Mexican plant builder already

How many times are we going to hear about him in the next 90 minutes?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016


I'm not sure why you'd mention that the United States has 5% of the world's population - unless that's a trap for Trump.
posted by koeselitz at 6:12 PM on September 26, 2016


He's trying so hard to hold it all together. He looks like he's struggling.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump is turning his whole body to look at things like he's wearing Michael Keaton's Batman costume.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Trumped up politics!
14 million from his father!
"He really believes the more you help wealthy people, the better off you'll be."
Heck yeah, Hillary!
posted by areaperson at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I can haz a very small loan?
posted by tonycpsu at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


If Clinton is on her game she should absolute hammer him on the "very small loan" thing. He teed it up for her. It's just hanging over the plate.
posted by Justinian at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump is extremely agitated because Hillary swiped at his dad giving him money.
posted by winna at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Trump pulling out the "my father gave me a small loan" of a million bucks thing against Hillary's "my dad had a squeegee" is going to be a thing, right? Please?
posted by zachlipton at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump is sniffing a lot. I wonder how his health is.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Woah he is looking a little like a wimp there
posted by Tarumba at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Having watched too many of Trump's stump speeches, Trump's initial comments on trade are just his stump speeches condensed down and made slightly more specific -- 'Ford is leaving -- their small car division,' instead of 'Ford is leaving.' That and a much lower energy delivery.
posted by cjelli at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016


Great angle of attack from Hillary there re: fathers' experiences in business.
posted by Panthalassa at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton mentioned Trump getting millions from his dad. He fell for the bait, hard.
posted by Yowser at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


is he sniffling? wtf?
posted by Glibpaxman at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


What's with the sniffing sound every time he inhales. He that nervous?
posted by chris24 at 6:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Wow, it didn't take much to bait him. Millions of dollars is apparently a very small loan.
posted by joedan at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Argh. Hillary should not go for the cute shots on Trump. It sounds so fake.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016


He's unravelling a bit.
posted by vrakatar at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


God, he's just gonna come off as weird in that silent room. He's got no audience to feed off of.
posted by savetheclocktower at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wow, he's off his game.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He is sniffing a lot, I wonder if he has a cold?

Back to Mexico, his arch-nemesis.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016


Trump interrupting the moderator.
posted by dirigibleman at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016


Trump took the bait on the size of his silver spoon.
posted by klarck at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


'I want you to be very happy'? The fuck was that?
posted by palindromic at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I am on a flight to Seattle. In a middle seat. The guy in the aisle seat is watching this.

I have no alcohol.

Pity me.
posted by ocschwar at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [52 favorites]


Trump's father gave him a small amount?! And he built it into billions?!

Oh, Madam Secretary, call him on that!

(That and Mexico.)
posted by Gelatin at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016


He looks and sounds sick.
posted by zarq at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016


Is the donald coked up?
posted by valkane at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


lots of sniffing. how much blow do you think he did backstage?
posted by entropicamericana at 6:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


"back to the question."
No Lauering the bar, yet.
posted by mhz at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hey, Donald, my allergies are bad, too. I use a saline spray.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


What's with the sniffing sound every time he inhales. He that nervous?

The lizard wearing his skin doesn't like airconditioned rooms.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Clinton's response barely touched on what Trump said about outsourcing, it sounded canned.
posted by Flashman at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I created a movement in the bathroom this morning. Beat that, Donald.
posted by homunculus at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Somebody has cocaine nose
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Bloomberg's fact-checking was overhyped, I gather; supposedly it'll be in a scroll at the bottom, but it's not going to be instantaneous. Checking takes some time.
posted by Shmuel510 at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016


China's the best ever at what they are doing to us.

Back to the question though. Ow!
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016


Did someone give Trump a key bump before he went on? So much SNIFFING, such loud pressured talking.
posted by little mouth at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


She freaking went for his "dad gave him a loan bit" and he took the bait. She totally baited him. Wow.

Also, I was wondering if he was going to call her "Secretary Clinton".

He's sucking up to her.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Holt: 'How do you, specifically, bring the jobs back?'
Trump: 'The first thing you do is stop them from leaving.'

Not an answer.
posted by cjelli at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Trump going after all those Mexican-made cookies we all hate
posted by Greg Nog at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


He looks and sounds sick.

You're right... he sounds congested. Maybe he's ill? That would be ironic.
posted by Justinian at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Not to humanize the guy, but he's on the cat drugs. I'd recognize that Flonase sniff anywhere.
posted by Sphinx at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016


Lester: How do you bring back the jobs?

Trump: We never let them..sniff...leave..sniff
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am on a flight to Seattle. In a middle seat. The guy in the aisle seat is watching this.

I have no alcohol.


They give away eye masks right? That's the only way.
posted by zutalors! at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wow, Holt is actually asking for specifics. "Back to the question...how do you bring the jobs back?"

Trump going straight to protectionism.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I was close to vomiting until Holt said, "Okay, but back to the question," and then Trump started to crackle
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


sniffgate. I wonder if Trump will pass out.
posted by defenestration at 6:15 PM on September 26, 2016


He just completely refuses to get specific. Meanwhile, Hillary smiles.
posted by Miss Scarlet with the Candlestick in the Lounge at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Clinton has obviously been coached not to sigh.

Even when Trump proposes Hawley-Smoot 2.
posted by Gelatin at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


But Hillary can't just be reasonable and good on policy. That's already her strength. She needs to eviscerate Trump. Emasculate him. She needs a staggering blow.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"The first thing is you don't let the companies leave."

He's advocating drastic tariffs to forestall exit by companies but I doubt how many people watching understand how tariffs work so it's going to sail over their heads, never mind how it wouldn't work.
posted by winna at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh my god, he couldn't even hold it together for fifteen minutes. She's completely serene now - she knows she has him.
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [44 favorites]


Clinton is dropping so many facts and numbers; I love it.
posted by melissasaurus at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


So he said he created a movement which no, you created a wave of lunacy with no clear goals except for we hate brown people
posted by Tarumba at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's called BUSINESS?!
posted by joedan at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016


Are all of the networks on split screen? Because they all need to be.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I can't listen to this. Trump just doesn't end his sentences. I mean, they're barely syntactical enough to count as sentences, but that just makes it worse.
posted by Rangi at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Trump going after all those Mexican-made cookies we all hate

It's an allusion to Oreo, which has been a subject of disdain in his stump speeches.
posted by palindromic at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy fuck, Hillary smashing this response talking about the crisis in the economy 8 years ago arising from neoliberal economic policies.
posted by Panthalassa at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Donald rooted for the housing crisis!
That's called business!!
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


From Josh Marshall's liveblog:

9:05 PM: It is beyond imagining that this is happening.


That's about where I am. Is this real life?
posted by Justinian at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


"That's called business, by the way."

Classy interruption, Trump.
posted by dazed_one at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


His response to hoping for and making money off other people misery?

"That's called business."
posted by chris24 at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


A HOAX PERPETUATED BY THE CHINESE
posted by palindromic at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


This is gonna be an interesting hour and a half. Trump seems mildly ill - Nixon moment? But Hillary just showed an Al Gore-like condescending smirk. Curiouser and curiouser.
posted by iffthen at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016


Wow he's out of his league tonight. His steam should be thinking about the next debate.
posted by vrakatar at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Dude is already coming apart
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Her answer needs to be "We don't want to make air-conditioners. We don't want to make today's small cars. We want to make the next-generation of air-conditions. We want to make the future."
posted by maryr at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nice hit quoting Trump for wanting the housing bubble to burst.

/I can't keep up. Signing out until after the debate.
posted by porpoise at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Jeez, HE IS SO EASY TO BAIT
posted by triggerfinger at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


She's not letting him interrupt! YES!
posted by leotrotsky at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Wow, he is going to melt down on camera. Kudos to those who had faith.
posted by gerryblog at 6:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Did Trump mock Rubio for drink so much water all the time? Is this another case of Trump mocking people for what are his own failures?
posted by Panjandrum at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]




As a canadian who gets so very angry at you americans sometimes (you know, like a little sibling does) i can't bear to even watch. So i came here instead. I'm scared.
posted by cgg at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


He can't shut up about making money on the housing crisis, can he?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Everyone at Best Bar in the World is talking about the sniffling.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh hell, she has him and it's not even the third question.

"I did not say that, I did not say that"
posted by 23skidoo at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump keeps looking for his cutman [fake].
posted by drezdn at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I thought Hillary was supposed to pivot back to the centre in the debates. Not really seeing a lot of that right now.
posted by Panthalassa at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


So he lasted about 30 seconds with the reasonably-sane monotone before his voice went up and the hand gestures started. Well done, sir.
posted by Rykey at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Luckily, he believes in all forms of energy.
posted by palindromic at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary is talking about infrastructure being a lot of jobs to develop green energy.
posted by winna at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He believes in energy.
posted by valkane at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016


But Hillary can't just be reasonable and good on policy. That's already her strength. She needs to eviscerate Trump. Emasculate him. She needs a staggering blow.

He's responding to every jab already and we're not even 20 minutes in. I predict she's going to wear him down and he's going to lose his shit at some point before this is done.
posted by joedan at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


That half-cap-doff to Solyndra will really play to the swing voters; they will totally get what you were saying, Donald
posted by savetheclocktower at 6:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


His interruption to her assertion that he was rooting for the housing crisis was "that's business!".

SURELY THIS
posted by lydhre at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Hasn't red kind of been a traditional color of female politicians? I know that Senator Mikulski started wearing it to stand out from all of the dark (male) suits when Congress assembled when she first was elected to the Senate (and maybe before then).

(Extra trivia: Mikulski was the first woman to wear a pantsuit on the Senate floor in 1993--the rule used to be that women had to wear skirts/dresses!)
posted by TwoStride at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Someone with video editing software, please memeify Trump's face while listening to Hillary into Donald Trump Watches Things.
posted by EarBucket at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump needs his bro crowd to feed. This silent crowd is totally stifling him
posted by Tarumba at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think he's sick. He sounds congested and raspy and keeps sniffling.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did he just pull All Lives Matter on clean energy?
posted by ckape at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016


Oh my god, Donald Trump spent way too much time watching America's Next Top model. Looks like he's trying to cycle between a model pout and then a "smize" and then a serious face.
posted by litera scripta manet at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


The mic is picking up Trump's breath intakes from a foot away, but not Hillary's breathing from a few inches. Reinforces the image that he's agitated and she's calm.
posted by zennie at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Someone make a gif of the glorious eyebrow raise Hillary just deployed at Donald's 'you can't do that' in reference to her economic plan because it's great.
posted by winna at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


i dont think most of america is seeing this and thinking that Donald is coming unraveled, and that kind of thinking among Clinton voters is making me p wary, not gonna lie
posted by likeatoaster at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


She just "well actually'd" him.
posted by zachlipton at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


Trump's vague reference to solar panels wpuld be picked up by the Fox News crowd, but I wonder if most people knowwhat the hell he's talking about.

Or if he does.
posted by Gelatin at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Reminder: 30 years ago, Clinton was First Lady of Arkansas and held no public office.
posted by mbrubeck at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


Holy cow, I'm loving how calm and focused Clinton is. It makes Trump's unraveling, as he inserts his interrupting nonsense, all the more lurid. She's owning these debates!
posted by but no cigar at 6:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm watching the Bloomberg twitter and there's no fact-checking in the video, and there's no way I'm keeping that up with the Twitter stream
posted by achrise at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


@TheLindyWest "Donald Trump cheered when you lost your house."
posted by drezdn at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trump: 'We invested in the solar company, that was a disaster, our country did.'

I can get coming out for coal, but coming out against solar is...who does that appeal to? It feels like that was a half-attempted dig at Solyndra, but (a) without actually naming the company, or (b) actually making any point?
posted by cjelli at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


HAHA THAT HILLARY SMIRK <3
posted by erisfree at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Plus he just flipped flopped about climate change. His crowd won't like this.
posted by Tarumba at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"All you have to do is look at Michigan, and Ohio… and other states I'm unable to win the presidency without."
posted by Deathalicious at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


He believes in energy.

The kind Bavarian marching powder gives you, aparrently. He should have words with that doctor.
posted by Artw at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"You've been doing this for 30 years!" Because she's been in an office for all that time?
posted by numaner at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


She's doing such a great job of talking over him while he gets all shouty.

Trump may be doing lines of coke backstage, but Hillary is knocking back the bubbly.
posted by litera scripta manet at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


My daughter is chortling at Hillary "Well, actually"ing Trump.
posted by corb at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [40 favorites]


I WANT A 'WELL ACTUALLY' T SHIRT!
posted by leotrotsky at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hillary: "...if we're actually going to look at the facts."

Love.
posted by mochapickle at 6:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


She well actually'd Trump!
posted by zutalors! at 6:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I really think he feeds on the audience's response and he struggles without it. Couple of times now he delivered a line that would have been greeted with a huge cheer at one of his brownshirt rallies and seemed discomfited that response is minimal.

Also I don't know if this is the case on every stream/channel/network but on C-SPAN at least, Donald's mike is either well balanced or dialed down a bit, far enough that Clinton is still easily audible over his interruptions. Glad to see that.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I do think bringing in Bill's presidency was a bit of a misstep. Let's him go after NAFTA and Bill's presidency.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Don't let him talk Hil!
posted by leotrotsky at 6:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


She's letting him hit her on NAFTA. This is bad. It doesn't matter whether he's right or not, it lets Trump harp on his standard talking points
posted by Sangermaine at 6:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I need a clip of the split screen with a Face Swap. Someone please make it happen
posted by clorox at 6:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


She is doing great but he's doing ok on the "I'm a business guy" front.
posted by zutalors! at 6:21 PM on September 26, 2016


If anyone wonders what it's like to be a woman in a meeting getting talked over - this is what it is like.
posted by winna at 6:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [110 favorites]


Agreed, tonycpsu
posted by Rykey at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016


Dude, Lester Holt, what are you doing
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


'Donald, I know you live in your own reality'
posted by palindromic at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [51 favorites]


coming out against solar is...who does that appeal to?

The kind of people whose primary position is HURF DURF GOVERNMENT
posted by Panjandrum at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh man I understand why she's trying not to laugh but this is not a good look for Clinton.
posted by corb at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


What's this about Clinton appointing a special prosecutor? She's not going to get a chance to elaborate with Trump interrupting about "the worst trade deal ever", but I'm curious about the one serious plan here.
posted by Rangi at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hahahahahahaha. Donald, you live in your own reality....
posted by PorcineWithMe at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I know you live in your own reality"
Oh God, I hope he just explodes.
posted by mhz at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Her biggest challenge for this is not to grin so much that it sets off the "she has too much ego" reactions. But wow, it's glorious to see her relaxed and smiling. And I am so looking forward to Trump growing more flustered as this goes on, because we're about 15 minutes in and he's already jumpy.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


...and the wheels just came off.
posted by Sphinx at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


20 minutes is how long Donald Trump can go before unraveling. Sad!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


LAUGHTER FROM THE AUDIENCE!
posted by leotrotsky at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Donald, I know you live in your own reality."
posted by lkc at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


oh my god this body language situation is a nightmare, he's going full attack and she is 100% refusing to look at him
posted by Greg Nog at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I just went to my fridge and saw Lester Holt on a milk carton.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [53 favorites]


'Donald I know you live in your own reality'

The whole crowd gasped.
posted by winna at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Shouldn't Holt be preventing Trump from talking over Clinton?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


She is destroying him with facts and numbers, he is responding with with 'but everything is terrible'.

This is going to be epic.
posted by dazed_one at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Donald, I know you live in your own reality, but those are not the facts."
posted by mochapickle at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Where the hell is Lester Holt? Did he leave to get a soda?
posted by 23skidoo at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


*deep snort*

"--NOT"
posted by acidic at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Um, Trump is starting to lose it. Wake up, moderator.
posted by homunculus at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"In fact I've written a book about it..."
posted by leotrotsky at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I tuned in late, are there moderators?
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


The audience promised to be silent, but laughed at her"yu live in your own reality" comment.
posted by Gelatin at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oof. He's winning this. He's got her against the ropes, making cracks every moment. Good thing I have gin, but I'm not optimistic.
posted by koeselitz at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton: "Well, Donald, I know you live in your own reality, but..."
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm sorry, is there a moderator or just a talking placard with questions loaded onto it?
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary is doing a good job of pushing past his interruptions, but I still feel like Lester Holt should be actually, you know, moderating.
posted by litera scripta manet at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Why doesn't the moderator tell Trump to stop interrupting?
posted by Tarumba at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


she's better here than on the stump.
posted by klarck at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Getting baited into bickering with Trump all debate is not going to help Clinton's image, I don't think
posted by likeatoaster at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Jesus, I have no idea how this dynamic is playing, but it's definitely going to do something to this race. He's fucking hectoring her like he's a drunkard arguing about football at the dive bar.
posted by savetheclocktower at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


I love Clinton's burn "you can pick up (my book) at a bookstore or at an airport near you" - Trump clearly never would be in a bookstore.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Dude, Lester Holt, what are you doing

He's trying to figure out if the people on twitter saying there's a Gyarados at Hofstra are just fucking with him or if he should go try to find it
posted by Greg Nog at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


oh THAT'S why they wrote that dumb book lmao
posted by acidic at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He is so shouty. Hill is doing a great job at not being bullied, and he is full on bully mode.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Why the hell isn't Holt stopping Trump from interrupting?????
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


i wish they would space the heads at a more natural distance. it looks like two folks are shouting at each other shoulder to shoulder, while looking off into space.
posted by rebent at 6:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm deeply hoping Clinton is baiting Trump out to attack Bill (over NAFTA or something else) and turn around at some point with a 'I'm running, he isn't' response or something along those lines.
posted by cjelli at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's hard as a woman because you're told "smile" then when you do because a dude is yelling at you you're called an uppity know it all bitch.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [115 favorites]


He's been everywhere, man.
posted by vrakatar at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016


Lester must be there.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016


Wow his paucity of adjectives is really showing hard.
posted by moonlight on vermont at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I wonder if she was coached to picture him naked except for a (soiled?) diaper, given the way she's handling his tantrums.
posted by uosuaq at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Her smile is adorbs.
posted by palindromic at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


He is so fucking erratic.
posted by defenestration at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


If Muhammad Ali was the king of the rope-a-dope, Hillary Clinton is the queen.
posted by hleehowon at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


"regulations." He obviously knows it's a buzzword without meaning.

Also "bigly."
posted by mhz at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016


Big league!
posted by GrammarMoses at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


'That can't be left to stand'

Loving her poise here.
posted by palindromic at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I tuned in late, are there moderators?

There's a cardboard cutout of Lester Holt
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]



Why doesn't the moderator tell Trump to stop interrupting?


Why bother? He's not helping himself with the interruptions, he just sounds defensive and rambling.
posted by Rangi at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Candy Crowley wouldn't be taking this shit
posted by asockpuppet at 6:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


BIGLY! Who's got that on their bingo cards?
posted by numaner at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Listening to this on public radio is giving me heart palpitations.
posted by gucci mane at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did Trump say, "You are going to approve the biggest tax CUTS in history" until correcting himself?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


This isn't starting well for Clinton. She's talking facts but she's letting him hammer her on his stupid bullshit. He's racking up soundbites.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary said that she has a fact checker real time on her website during the debate.

They are so clever
posted by winna at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm missing me some Gwen Ifill. She wouldn't take this shit.
posted by Sphinx at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Lester, please rein things in.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Holy shit, real time fact-checking plug.
posted by defenestration at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oooh! Trump: "You are going to regulate these businesses out of existence" - he's not even aware that he's talking in future tense. He spent two paragraphs talking about "you are going to do [x] to taxes]" and didn't notice that he's talking as if she's already won.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


You can't get the facts here, but you can get them at my website ;-)

Smart as hell move.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Mine, too!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016


Donald Trump is on tilt.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: "I'm going to cut taxes..." Big league? Bigly?

Hard to tell. Either is possible.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Toddler update: while I was reading this thread she removed her own diaper and was lying in wait like a snake at the other end of her bed. Not sure what that augurs besides general sturm und drang.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


General MacAuthur?
posted by vrakatar at 6:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I bought "Stronger Together", and agree with reviewers that it's dry and way overwritten, but being able to call back to it during a debate like this makes it all worth it.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Lester is absolutely impossible as a moderator.
posted by Deathalicious at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


She's got to quit being baited.
posted by PorcineWithMe at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


FACT CHECKS AT HILLARYCLINTON.COM HOLY SHIT
posted by explosion at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's fucking melting down. What the shit.
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Lester should just quit right now. Walk off the stage, quit NBC, move to Easter Island or something.
posted by zachlipton at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Lester, turn off their microphones.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Okay, I've said this a lot in the last 20 years or so but I've never meant it as much as I do right now:

SHUT THE FUCK UP, DONNIE! YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT!
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [77 favorites]


Lester Holt is useless.
posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh gosh now they just sound like kids having a fight in the back seat of a car.
posted by Deathalicious at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Both candidates a bit shaken. I don't think Donald getting louder is good for Hillary. Trump more convincing when he's interjecting; Hillary less convincing when she's responding to his interjections. I think, tactically, she should keep this to the series-of-monologues format that was happening before the temperature began to rose, because you can really see when a candidate is scant on the detail there.
posted by Panthalassa at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donald just accused her of having fought ISIS her entire adult life.
posted by winna at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


"You're telling the enemy everything you wanna do."

...What?
posted by Rangi at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016


Hillary has been fighting ISIS *HER ENTIRE ADULT LIFE*!
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Shirt off his mike!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016


Ahh and here is the shit show I expected.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Okay, seriously, do we even have a moderator???
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump: No wonder you've been fighting ISIS your entire adult life.
Clinton: [makes exactly the face you would expect]

[real. real. what? that was real?]
posted by cjelli at 6:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump keeps using Holt's name, which is a standard con man move - 'Lester, you look like a smart guy, a guy who knows a deal when he sees one...'
posted by palindromic at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


From Clinton's website on the LiterallyTrump page:
Donald Trump says he has “a very good brain” and has “said a lot of things.” At least one of those is true.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


One hour to go...
posted by uosuaq at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's really coming unglued.
posted by octothorpe at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


WHY do moderators not yet have the ability to turn off the microphones when a person's time is over????
posted by a fiendish thingy at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


His response to the website was utterly, utterly frothing and incoherent. She got him. Somehow she got a blow in to his ego. He's raising his voice and shouting again.
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Holy shit this is insane.
posted by a box and a stick and a string and a bear at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Holt giving free rein is the worst thing that could happen to Trump.
posted by klarck at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Wow his paucity of adjectives is really showing hard.

It's beautiful to watch, just beautiful.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I like her poise.

He's being vague and belligerent, and has very little in the way of concrete facts.

She's got this.
posted by zarq at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I am not watching. I did hear laughter and "wow, it's a hot mess" from the other room.
posted by holgate at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm waiting for Hillary to point out that Trump's merchandise is all made in China.
posted by TwoStride at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I guess Bloomber's not fact checking after all.
posted by dirigibleman at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016


I'm sorry, but has tax breaks on the wealthy ever yielded more jobs and money for the middle class and working poor?
posted by INFJ at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Tremendous" drinkers are so screwed right now
posted by moonlight on vermont at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Panthalassa is right; Clinton is killing him on facts and policy but she is not coming off as well as she could when she lets him interrupt her constantly and barely pushes back. She needs to stop ceding the microphone since Holt isn't doing his job.
posted by Justinian at 6:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


And Hillary responded to the "fighting Isis your entire adult life" with a simple pause, and then "fact check on my web site, folks...."
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm sorry but to any moderate undecided that is looking at this, Trump lost them. He's acting like a lunatic. This is unhinged craziness. Sure his base will eat it up but damn, people that are thinking everyone is so ugly this election... they're gonna watch this and think he's sickening.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Looks like rage-interrupting with nonsense cured his sniffles.
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 6:28 PM on September 26, 2016


So, I'm watching the only Bloomberg channel my cable company offers and no fact-checking on-screen?

Aside from that, yes, it seems Mr. Trump has a cold or something. It's awkward watching him sniffle.

And now, Secretary Clinton is announcing that her website is live checking facts (mentioned above, I know), but I can at least find her website and get live fact checking.

Aaaaand Lester Holt has completely lost control of this debate. Twenty minutes in.
posted by Silverstone at 6:28 PM on September 26, 2016


Hillary has been fighting ISIS, which was founded by Barack Obama, her entire adult life.
posted by beerperson at 6:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


He has been ranting like a coke fiend for minutes now about not being able to repatriate money.
posted by winna at 6:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump 2016: Why not?
posted by tonycpsu at 6:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


ATTACK HIM DIRECTLY FFS

"Funny, here I thought most business-people need TO BE ABLE TO COUNT."

"The last candidate who alluded to a secret plan to win a war was RICHARD NIXON"

Whew, 'crazy things.' Finally.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He sounds fucking crazy and it's hurting my brain.
posted by defenestration at 6:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


HRC: By the end of the night, I'm going to be blamed for everything!

DJT: Why not?
posted by palindromic at 6:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


My wife is watching upstairs, and all I hear is him interrupting her and talking over her over and over and over again. It's like being in meetings at various places I've worked.

Woman: "Here's a logical, coherent --"

Man: "YEAHBUTWHADDABOUTTHEDIDJATHINKOFANDALSOBUT..."

Moderator: ...

So I'm off to drink scotch and play The Last of Us, or, as I've taken to calling it, Post-Trump America.
posted by lord_wolf at 6:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


He's winning the screen time battle and that's his only goal. And getting in a ton of soundbites for the FOX Radio crowd to magnify.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ugh, Hillary endorsing the snake oil "tax holiday" repatriation bullshit
posted by tonycpsu at 6:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He looks like an idiotic bully, she is going to look smug.
posted by entropicamericana at 6:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Him being dangerous helps her base. Him being rude helps her with moderates. I only saw a second of it but everyone just chill on the horse race speculation til it's over.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Think he is genuinely unprepared to hear a woman disagree with him for two straight minutes.
posted by palindromic at 6:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


I'm sorry but to any moderate undecided that is looking at this, Trump lost them

For real? I'm trying to watch this through the lens of an undecided voter and not feeling great. Trump doing what he's always done, interrupting, making a scene, trying to be the alpha dawg and generally turning it into a fucking reality show; Clinton trying really hard to hold back. Business as usual and at this rate, the polls will remain the same. Fingers crossed that something turns.
posted by windbox at 6:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It's like someone's drunk uncle talking over everything.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Lester Holt is finally starting to say "Donald, this is Hillary's time, please..."
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


She HAS to shut him down directly. She has to tell him that we don't have time for interruptions and neither does our economy.
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Did I black out and wake up during the SNL sketch of this debate? How the hell are they going to caricature this?
posted by savetheclocktower at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


He's a fucking toddler with no executive control. Soooo presidential.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I kind of felt like this was going to be a minor crapfest, but I didn't think it would bloom into a complete shitshow.
posted by Sphinx at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


She should stick to her own policies, not his.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why is Trump's mic even left on during Clinton's time? Or is he just being that loud?
posted by Rangi at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


He's also doing the stereotypical male thing where he's talking across her at the other man in the conversation. That's what his asides to Lester are about.
posted by winna at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [100 favorites]


He keeps interrupting her, and that will backfire on him if it keeps up for 90 minutes. He comes across as rude and disrespectful.
posted by zarq at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh, now the moderator wants to defend the time? Where were you for the last thirty minutes?
posted by corb at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


She's really trying to make "Trumped-up trickle down" a thing. So fetch.
posted by bologna on wry at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I want to slap him, he's so rude.
posted by Tarumba at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016


LOVE how Clinton makes notes while Trump is bloviating
posted by salix at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did someone really advise Trump that yelling at my grandmother is the way to win over the public?
posted by AndrewInDC at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


ooh, calling him out on the "trump loophole" - proposing policies that help him and his family. Repeat of "trumped up trickle down" - it sounds a little awkward, but it will make for a zillion glorious tweets and headlines.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump on Hillary: "Sounds good"
posted by acidic at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2016


Oh, the Lester Holt cardboard cut out finally woke up a bit (a little bit). That's good.

Pretty sure Hillary Clinton just barely stopped herself from a giant eye roll.
posted by litera scripta manet at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2016


Lester Holt is finally starting to say "Donald, this is Hillary's time, please..."

BIASED MEDIA!!!!!!!1!11111!!!!!
posted by Artw at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Okay, so I'm in the bag for Hillary, so I may not be completely neutral, but does it seem like Trump isn't even trying to reach anyone but his base?
posted by mhz at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't think I've ever watched a debate. Roommates convinced me to hate watch-drink this.

This was a terrible decision.

*pours another*
posted by curious nu at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"The fed is doing political." -- what counts for actual discourse in 2016
posted by zachlipton at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


"tax returns" Yes!
posted by mhz at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Keep saying crazy things." Mark it: she just won the election.
posted by EarBucket at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


The Fed Is Doing Political.
posted by acidic at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2016


Did he just blame Yellen for 'being political' and leaving rates at 0%, but claim it'd be awful if the interest rates went up? What?
posted by DynamiteToast at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yes, please talk about the Fed you fucking moron.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump is coming across like a ranty bully but Clinton does look a little rattled. She has never had a debate with someone like this before.
posted by Justinian at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016


So far this is a personal best performance from Hillary, imo.
posted by lalex at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Bullshit audit excuse again on the tax returns.
posted by palindromic at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Someone told Donald about the Fed today and he's quite startled to learn that the Fed has a political agenda.
posted by winna at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Please call him out on the audit bullshit.
posted by homunculus at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I’m serious, if halfway through the debate Hillary just glances straight at the camera the way Eddie Murphy did in Trading Places, she’ll win by Saddam-Hussein–like margins in November
posted by savetheclocktower at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


It's routine audit time again. The longest audit in history.
posted by dis_integration at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ooh, tax return time.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016


He keeps interrupting her, and that will backfire on him if it keeps up for 90 minutes. He comes across as rude and disrespectful.

This is a mistake. It will never backfire. Trump being aggressive and rude is his selling point. He'll come across as strong and forceful to his supporters and anyone considering leaning his way.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


You know I think the problem is we're in a post factual era - nobody really knows what the truth is, nobody trusts any paper to be unbiased. People who are not us who are watching this don't know who is right.
posted by corb at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


This man is literally vomit
posted by mcstayinskool at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Bloomberg is showing a split screen during Clinton's answers and giving Trump a full screen on his time.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Man, she has him on the ropes already, Man, I feel better.
posted by y2karl at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump for President website is down.

(hahahah)
posted by jamaro at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh, snap! Holt turns the tax question to Trump's tax returns!
posted by Gelatin at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


They asked about tax returns he gave the audit excuse
posted by Tarumba at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016


THANK YOU LESTER. Where are the taxes, Donny?
posted by rabbitrabbit at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Guy behind me burst out laughing a couple times while y'all were being happy with Ms. Clinton.

I suspect he's already With Her(TM), so this does nothing to lift my morale. I want to see a Trump supporter appear crestfallen when we land.

(Context: am on a plane, and far too exposed to this debate than I care to be. Since I can;t not think of the debate, I'm on this thread.)
posted by ocschwar at 6:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"an essentially financial statement of sorts"

Meaningless.
posted by Rangi at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Fucking Estonia is ripping us off again guys.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Trump: "America is being ripped off by every country in the world."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016


FUCK YEAH LESTER with the de-bullshit-ification about the audit.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


There does not seem to be a dose of medicine that will allow me to watch this without freaking out and stay awake.
posted by humanfont at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary is on point and she knows it. She's playing him like a fiddle and he's completely off the rails.
posted by EarBucket at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh my god thank you for bringing up "you can release the taxes" lester
posted by Greg Nog at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


"You are perfectly free to reason them after the audit."
posted by leotrotsky at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Glorious.
posted by vrakatar at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016


When Trump is calm and on-point, he falls back on sentence fragments and very short sentences: "No good. Not gonna happen. Americans won't stand for it. We're gonna fix it." (paraphrase) Those probably work very well in business meetings, and they're great attention grabbers, but they don't stand up to the analysis that these debates are going to get.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016


DAMN YES LESTER. It's perfectly legal to release your taxes during an audit.
posted by lovecrafty at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Did he just verbally admit to his income being in the billions? Did I hear that right?
posted by INFJ at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016


Tax returns question. "I'm under audit" then gishing and more gishing

"IRS says you can release your taxes during the audit"
"I'll release them as soon as the audit - I've been audited almost every year"
posted by petebest at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016


Lester Holt, fact-checker!
posted by 23skidoo at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016


He lost the grammarian vote, for sure.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Crowd cheering for the emails. WTF.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Donald taking the opportunity to tell his inspiring riches to riches story in this tax return question.
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh god was that cheering on the emails?
posted by corb at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016


Did the audience not agree to refrain from clapping?
posted by PorcineWithMe at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016


My lawyers say don't release your taxes!
posted by petebest at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016


This debate is so New York. All the yelling, boasting, interrupting. I don't feel great about our country, but it is familiar.
posted by dame at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


SHUT THE FUCK UP HOFSTRA AUDIENCE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SHUT UP.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Why are they cheering? They were instructed to make no noise?
posted by bluecore at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016


She needs to go on the attack and stop being on the defensive. I see his appeal now (even if I think he's a rabid dog and mentally ill). So many people are angry and he always sounds angry so he sounds so much more authentic than she does. The Dems have always underestimated how angry people are at the status quo.
posted by gt2 at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


He will release his tax return when she releases her thirty three thousand emails. The crowd applauded and if they're not kicked out I will be very angry.
posted by winna at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


excuse me but they're allowing applause and cheers at an email dig?? Wtf
posted by triggerfinger at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


this guy is a sociopathic narcissist.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


MetaFilter: Let me admonish the audience one more time.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


A group of Trumpsters in the crowd just cheered mightily when Trump brought up the emails.
posted by Justinian at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016


It was and Lester had to chastise the audience.
posted by palindromic at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016


What a perfectly stupid analogy. He'll release tax returns when she releases 33,000 emails. Sounds great, means nothing, just like the man himself.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"I'll release my taxes when the audit is over"

"I've been under audit for 15 years"

HEAD ------> DESK
posted by Panjandrum at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


You know who gets audited by the IRS when other people don't?

Crooks.
posted by Gelatin at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [71 favorites]


And then he quickly adds on another condition to releasing his taxes when confronted with the fact that he's not blocked by the audit. What an ass.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


MAYBE HE'S NOT AS RICH AS HE SAYS HE IS
posted by palindromic at 6:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


she has gone there, huzzah
posted by palindromic at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yeah, thanks for admonishing the AUDIENCE for us, Lester.
posted by Rykey at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maybe he's not as rich as he says he is...

Slide in that knife, Hillary!
posted by leotrotsky at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I wish she wouldn't go into specifics about what he might be hiding in his tax returns. Just let it hang there.
posted by mcstayinskool at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016


Dude, 15 years of IRS audits is not a prize. Trump is talking about his audits like they're some kind of award that the IRS gives to special rich people.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Why are they cheering? They were instructed to make no noise?

This is the most perfect microcosm-of-the-election comment I think I've seen this year
posted by Greg Nog at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


"not as rich" " not as charitable"

"owes $650 million"

"paid nothing in federal taxes"
posted by mhz at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Oh shit she said maybe he's not as rich as he says he is.
posted by winna at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Sorry, but he's winning this.
I lived through Rob Ford and this is a page out of the same fucked-up playbook. People don't care about facts. He's louder and he's owning the stage.
My deepest sympathies.
posted by chococat at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


On what planet was it cool to have NBC and Lester Holt mod the debates? NBC has fellated Trump for months now.
posted by Sphinx at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ooooh, she said it! "Maybe he's not as rich as he says he is."
posted by lovecrafty at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016


"That makes me smart"? Is that what he just said to not paying taxes??
posted by mudpuppie at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


TAXES ARE PATRIOTIC!
posted by vrakatar at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He's never paid income tax.

"That makes me smart"
posted by petebest at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


What did he just say that he didn't pay any taxes because he is smart?
posted by aetg at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


When a boxer gets hit and it hurts, they smile. When she mentioned him being in debt to banks, he smiled. Telling.
posted by bluecore at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Zero for troops, Zero for vets. Yeah, drill that home.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


"Maybe the reason he hasn't released his results is because maybe my opponent is a fucking liar"
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Not paying any income taxes "makes me smart" -Trump
posted by zarq at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"There's something he's hiding..."
posted by leotrotsky at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"That makes me smart"

Wouldn't have know if you hadn't pointed it out.
posted by Rangi at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary: Maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. Maybe he isn't as charitable... He owes money to Wall Street and foreign banks. Maybe they show he hasn't paid any income tax.

Donald: That makes me smart.
posted by mochapickle at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Enjoy this while it lasts guys because it means the Email thing is up next. Holt would never....

and there it is.
posted by Justinian at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016


My deepest sympathies.

oh wow thanks!!
posted by zutalors! at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016


THAT MAKES ME SMART omgomgomg *spiritually does another line*
posted by acidic at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


She went there!

Not as rich, not as charitable, in debt to forwign banks, and a tax dodger.

And good Ford, Trump smirks that not paying taxes is "smart."
posted by Gelatin at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


This, this is why I am so confident. She's slaying, she's slaying with my mid-western GOP family, she's slaying with my young liberal friends, she's fucking great at this. She's balancing on her female-politician knife-edge just fine, and hitting well doing it.
posted by neonrev at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


"That makes me smart"!!!
posted by Flashman at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016


"Who does he owe money to? He owes you the answers to that"
posted by petebest at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


oh shit hil going to the jugular on his tax returns
posted by entropicamericana at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016


Not paying taxes makes him smart?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh Christ I am so sick of this email bullshit.
posted by winna at 6:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did he just FUCKING SAY "That makes me smart" when she said he paid no federal taxes????
posted by moonlight on vermont at 6:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I'm not going to make any excuses."
posted by leotrotsky at 6:37 PM on September 26, 2016


"...showed he paid nothing in federal taxes."
"That makes me smart."

Wow! Really?
posted by booksherpa at 6:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary: What are those conflicts? Who does he owe money to?
posted by mochapickle at 6:37 PM on September 26, 2016


Fucking emails.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary Clinton, 45th President of these United States, everyone.
posted by hleehowon at 6:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


This condescending serial killer whisper voice does not work for him.
posted by palindromic at 6:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Donald keeps referring to having friends. Bloomberg should fact-check that.
posted by AndrewInDC at 6:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [71 favorites]


It's irrelevant if the emails have anything to do with his taxes. It's let him bring up the email issue, a major weakness for her, and now he's able to hammer on it over and over. He was clearly waiting for that tax return point to open the email attack. Now it's on the table and in people's minds.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think she handled the emails beautifully. Very simple - admitted error, took responsibility, moved on.
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


Oh my god, Trump is such a narcissist he moved on from the email thing to talk about himself. HE MOVED ON FROM CLINTON'S WORST ISSUE TO TALK ABOUT HIMSELF.

Ahem, carry on.
posted by Justinian at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [91 favorites]


Not paying taxes makes you smart... until you admit it while running for public office, dumbass.
posted by Artw at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


He must not have focus-grouped "under-leveraged."
posted by tonycpsu at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


'You don't learn that much from tax returns, you learn more from financial disclosure.'

lol

Now he's defending how rich he is?
posted by winna at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


ah yes, using banks as a personal reference. because everyone trusts banks!
posted by Glibpaxman at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Will braggadocious be the biggest word he uses?
posted by palindromic at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


He's winning this, and it's because this is his element. He's good at TV, he's good at bullying, he's good at being an asshole, and she isn't good at any of those things. I'm glad I've got gin, because I'm very depressed, and I really hope I turn out to be wrong about this.
posted by koeselitz at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Bring up his bankruptcies Hillary.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Again, this went from ha ha to really fucking frightening.
posted by Sphinx at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Braggadocious"
posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump starting to sound like Andy Daly as Don DeMello.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's a little right about our airports.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


The weird thing is he couldn't stick on the emails very long because he felt compelled to go back to word-salading about how his tax returns are boring and he's very rich.

He did pull out the word braggadocios though.
posted by cortex at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


She shouldn't have said he is hiding something with not releasing his taxes. That seems like she's just asking him to say she is hiding something with the emails. Instead, she should call him on the "not paying income taxes makes me smart" thing. What?!
posted by sockermom at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump has never done ANYTHING "not in a braggadocious way."
posted by leotrotsky at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait... he was free to continue talking about Hillary's emails, but he turned it back to his net worth of his own volition?
posted by zennie at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


"I could give you a list of banks" is no "Anybody wanna buy some wood?"
posted by yellowbinder at 6:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Haha he took his answer from emails back to justifying his lack of tax returns. What a dummy.
posted by Tarumba at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah our airports suck, donnie.
posted by vrakatar at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016


"I'll quit tomorrow!"
posted by Flashman at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016


What is he doing? He had an attack going on emails and now he's talking about LaGuardia being a dump.
posted by zachlipton at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I wish she had a way to mention, "he keeps talking about 33k deleted emails like that's a lot. My friends in the tech industries know that that can be a busy weekend, and half of them are likely to be 'thanks' and 'me too.'"
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


These incredible airports with slave fucking labor.
posted by chaoticgood at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I wonder if she'll bring up that time Trump deleted emails during an investigation?
posted by fomhar at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


He was going to bring up the emails either way, it's not as if she screwed up and gave him an opening.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He's sitting there complaining about public infrastructure NOT FIVE MINUTES after saying that not paying taxes is smart. Call him on it Hillary!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


GUYS. Can we remember to use [real] and [fake] tags. At least if people are going to post things that weren't actually said as if they were quotes?
posted by threeturtles at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


If you can't learn much from the tax returns, JUST FUCKING RELEASE THEM DONNY
posted by Panjandrum at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I could give you a list of banks"

"Braggadocious(?) way"

"Our airports are a third world country?"

What is this even?
posted by litera scripta manet at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I can't imagine how "only suckers pay taxes" and "$650,000,000 is barely real money at all" is going to possibly play well in middle america, but you never know.
posted by absalom at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Yo, so I have flown to Blantyre International Airport in Malawi. It was next to a cornfield and had a single airstrip. I had to pay a dollar to gain access to the cafe.

I fly from Detroit Metro all the time. It's nicer than BWI.
posted by palindromic at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Donald Trump doesn't know what the term "Third World Country" means.
posted by lovecrafty at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


LESTER. KEEP CONTROL OF YOUR AUDIENCE.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016


Will Clinton explain how the debt works please.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


When was the last time he flew commercial?
posted by schmod at 6:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This will be edited to make him sound coherent. The reality tv strategy of gabbling away and cutting it down to soundbites will pay off.
posted by winna at 6:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"It would be squandered too"... the conditional there sounds a lot like an admission that he's not paying his full tax.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


he's good at bullying, he's good at being an asshole,

But who the heck sees him doing that and judges it as winning? Bullying assholes do not make good presidents.
posted by Rangi at 6:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's a little right about our airports\\
"Third world countries" is shitty gross language.
posted by zutalors! at 6:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Our airports are pretty bad in comparison to Incheon and Changi.

Still not third world.

There are a few in Nigeria, for instance.
posted by qcubed at 6:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


HEY applause for Hillary
posted by rabbitrabbit at 6:40 PM on September 26, 2016


Good, go after the folks he stiffed!
posted by leotrotsky at 6:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


YES GO FOR PEOPLE STIFFED BY THE RICH MAN YES KEEP DOING THIS JUST STOP JUDDERING LIKE A CELL PHONE DROPPING A CALL
posted by Greg Nog at 6:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Ah, Hillary nailing him on stiffing his employees!

YES HILLARY GET HIM GO DO IT NOW
posted by litera scripta manet at 6:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


This stiffing contractors thing is landing hard.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh shit, we have an architect in the audience
posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 6:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


> Braggadocios

Meredith or one of the Steves got him a word of the day calendar.
posted by nathan_teske at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Having recently flown into and out of Havana airport, I can assure you that US airports are in fact quite unlike at least one specific third-world airport.
posted by mwhybark at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


She invited an architect trump stiffed to sit in the audience.
posted by winna at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Goddamn, this is the Hillary Clinton I was hoping would show up for this debate.

Knives. Fucking. Out.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [40 favorites]


"He hasn't paid income taxes"
"It would've been squandered"
posted by curious nu at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


c'mon Hillary, get to his bankruptcies.
posted by klarck at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ooooh, nice! Trump says country is going to hell, we're a borderline third-world nation... Clinton replies with, maybe that's because you haven't paid any taxes.

And then goes on to his business practices - stiffing suppliers and workers.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Pay your bills, Donald. Apologize, Donald. I'm glad my Dad never worked for you, Donald.

Beautiful.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [37 favorites]


How often does he really think he can chime in with stuff like not paying taxes is smart, and if he had paid taxes it would have been wasted, and not piss off the people who are actually paying taxes every year? and the people who benefit from the services paid for with those taxes? He seems so thoroughly tone deaf.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump continues his rampage of interrupting right over Hillary. Lester is the worst.
posted by mochapickle at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


It is pretty astonishing how he just let that email thing drop. It was the perfect opportunity to fire all cannons. He really can't control himself at all.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Unless you're watching this thing with undecided voters or Trump supporters, not one of you is in a position to gauge who is winning this.
posted by ocschwar at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


The response of 'Wrong' is, what, like what a 10-year-old would do.
posted by palindromic at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I am watching this with a #NeverTrump eye, and I have to say, it's not looking good. He's looking like an asshole, but not as much of an asshole as he usually is.
posted by corb at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


If Trump is bemoaning the state of America's infrastructure, Clinton needs to bring up the fact that he is planning on decimating America's income-raising capacity by slashing taxes.
posted by Panthalassa at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton: Sure, let's talk about your businesses. I met people stiffed by you...
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Maybe he didn't do a good job"... to the architect who's in the audience, who he refused to pay.
posted by Rangi at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


Oh wow, she's ripping him to shreds on his business acumen.
posted by zarq at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


She's poking him on stiffing workers.

And he just tacitly admitted it by justifying it.

She has Trump dancing to her tune.
posted by Gelatin at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


She needs to keep him on his business. He's his own worst enemy there.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016


Bankruptcy! Drink!
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]




"it's all words"

IT'S A DEBATE MOTHERFUCKER
posted by craven_morhead at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [50 favorites]


Did she just try to take back the Skittles reference?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016


"I built an unbelievable company."

Literally.
posted by acidic at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


"I take advantage" doesn't sound as good as he thinks it does.
posted by mhz at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


She's like oh you wanna talk about business?

Cheating workers bam!
Bankruptcies bam!
Stupid government ideas bam!
posted by Tarumba at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Like - to people that are used to men talking over women this doesn't play as badly as it does in the corb-and-daughter demographic.
posted by corb at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


Wait, did he just argue he didn't pay the architect because maybe he didn't like the job he did? Seriously, Trump? The architect in an audience call out was such a great move on Hillary's part.

Declared bankruptcy six times!!! Oh snap, Hillary. Get him!
posted by litera scripta manet at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


He says "My obligation RIGHT NOW is to my companies."
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This feels more like a Donald Trump intervention than a debate right now.
posted by Flashman at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


I think a lot of people admire the fact that Trump did not pay taxes. And there are others that may feel some grim satisfaction that Trump stiffed his contractors... because they were losers and deserved it.
posted by My Dad at 6:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's losing his breath.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It is an unbelievable company, Mr. Trump.
posted by maryr at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016


He's a little right about our airports.

A little, but US airports (esp. pure domestic ones like LGA) are more like railway stations than international hubs like Schiphol or Dubai or Singapore. They're there to get you from Des Moines to Baton Rouge.
posted by holgate at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


THIS IS THE TACK HE'S TAKING? "The laws of the nation"?
posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He bragged about siding the people that Hillary mentioned?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016


"Tens of thousands of people who think I'm unbelievable and they love me" W. T. F.
posted by mcstayinskool at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016


"I took advantage of the laws of the nation" in order to stiff people. He's proud of it. :/ how can people vote for this man.
posted by INFJ at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


Trump: 'I take advantage of the laws of the country.'

Does he really think that's a winning tack?
posted by cjelli at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Took him long enough to get his hotel plug in.
posted by cmfletcher at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Holy hell he is actually attempting to defend stiffing people who worked for him because it's taking advantage of the laws of the nation.
posted by winna at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump: I take advantage of the laws of the nation.
posted by Gelatin at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Advertising on the presidential debates? Unbelievable.
posted by arcticseal at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


He just plugged his Washington DC hotel!
posted by mochapickle at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think Hillary needs to steer this back to herself and her plans stat. We're talking too much about Trump here.
posted by Panthalassa at 6:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ugh, my racist Republican housemates have returned and put the debate on, and I was very deliberately trying to avoid actually having to listen to directly.
posted by Sequence at 6:44 PM on September 26, 2016


Not sure that the "you've never paid income tax" line really works.

A consistent angle of Trump's has been that - in his previous life - he was a business person working for the Trump. He pulled out all the stops. He minimized taxes paid, he used bankruptcy courts, he worked his connections with those in power (including the clintons).

Now, his pitch is that he will use that same attitude for the coutnry.

This largely innoculates him from this line of attack, imo.
posted by cacofonie at 6:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Bloomberg "fact check" is apparently Trump supporters tweeting.
posted by dirigibleman at 6:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Is he... not a crook?
posted by Artw at 6:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


No, he's winning this. His negotiation defense is going to resonate. I need to turn this off. Fuck fuck fuck.
posted by schmod at 6:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


... and that's the first half.
posted by koeselitz at 6:44 PM on September 26, 2016


Who gives a shit about how much money your farcical company is making?

EDIT: You have to be joking. Trump looks like my Dad's crazy friend who insists on open carrying a shotgun around.
posted by Sphinx at 6:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is turning into "let the idiot talk" and kill the time, he can not respond to her, he tries but then goes off topic to the tune of 20 more topics.
posted by vrakatar at 6:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"We start our next segment by talking about race."

Oh shit.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Oh boy. Race. This should be interesting.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:45 PM on September 26, 2016


"race determines where people live"

Damn...burn on trump with that one.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hoo boy Les Holt is giving Trump a lot of
... opportunity for Trump to turn voters off on the subject of race.
posted by Gelatin at 6:45 PM on September 26, 2016


well she's talked for like 1.5 minutes and said basically nothing, cool talk about race guys
posted by likeatoaster at 6:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Bullying assholes do not make good presidents.

Reasonable people know that, but some large number of Americans apparently thinks otherwise. God, it's terrifying to live here sometimes.
posted by Rykey at 6:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Like you say I can't know how Trump is doing with conservatives, but he doesn't look well and I think people will notice
posted by Countess Elena at 6:45 PM on September 26, 2016


It sounds to me like Clinton is trying to avoid the word "plan," as in not saying "I have a plan to."
posted by zachlipton at 6:46 PM on September 26, 2016


Is this how this is supposed to go? Are we supposed to feel this sick during this time?

Like my parents and I are life-long tea-totalers and my mom just asked me to go get either wine or tequila so we can deal

Also I am disappointed in Clinton's weak opening statement re: race.
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Who has "jaw-dropping racial insensitivity" on their bingo card? LOOK SHARP, YOU'RE UP.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Folks, no amount of logic or flawless performance from Secretary Clinton is going to convince the sort of folks who would vote for Trump. This is theater, and the country will vote aproximately 50/50.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 6:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


HOW DO YOU HEAL, MR TRUMP?
posted by leotrotsky at 6:46 PM on September 26, 2016


Trump: I take advantage of the laws of the nation

He's the patron saint of every American who has ever screamed for a refund at Jack in the Box. This is why they like him.
posted by EatTheWeak at 6:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [57 favorites]


I think she was counting on Trump's completely tone deaf response about "Law and Order."
posted by C'est la D.C. at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


hillary comin for our guns
posted by entropicamericana at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016


No guns, don't mention guns, we all know about guns and what democrats want to do about guns, don't mention it, don't give them the soundbite.
posted by neonrev at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump has eye lips when his eyes are closed.
posted by angrybear at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


"We've got endorsements from the police who are causing the problem."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yes, Frank Luntz is trash, but he's tweeting some interesting things with trend lines, "Hillary Clinton has learned how to bait Trump. He doesn't know how to not take it. Her attacks work. His defenses don't."
posted by gladly at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Don't talk about Hispanics, Don.
posted by Sphinx at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016


Trump saying "law and order" is based on "white people policing black people".

That's racist as fuck.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [50 favorites]


How do you get from "healing the race divide" to "we need law and order"? Answer the fucking question, Cheeto.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


well she's talked for like 1.5 minutes and said basically nothing, cool talk about race guys

Yeah, that was bad
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016


Trump is hammering law and order and was apparently endorsed by the fraternal order of police.
posted by winna at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016


Dumpy Donald wears a non-power-tie he can't even tie correctly. Clinton wears an entire power suit!
posted by XMLicious at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


A lot of people I know will settle for the order.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump just said "African-Americans and Hispanics are living in hell!" And three feet to my left, a black man standing against the wall and watching just started laughing uncontrollably.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [114 favorites]


"Over the last number of years." WHAT NUMBER, THE DONALD?
posted by Miss Scarlet with the Candlestick in the Lounge at 6:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


So Trump boasts about police endorsements and tries to court the groups who have learned to distrust the police?
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm sort of bummed that Clinton chose to bring up gun control in the context of a question on race. I know she probably feels like she might not have time to bring it up later, but right now is not a great time to be tying race issues to gun issues like this.
posted by aka burlap at 6:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"We need law and order". This is so not the right take on Tulsa and Charlotte, Donald.
posted by Flashman at 6:48 PM on September 26, 2016


And now in Best Bar In The World there is general booing at Trump's "Stop and frisk" talk.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh Christ he's applauding stop and frisk.
posted by winna at 6:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


The sad, sick, disgusting thing about America is that people ask a man "what do you think about our problems with race?" and the man says "WE NEED LAW AND ORDER IN THIS COUNTRY!" and the whole crowd thinks that's not a hideous or terrifying thing to say and just sits there.
posted by koeselitz at 6:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [40 favorites]


Trump: "African Americans and Hispanics are living in hell"

WTF.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I would like to see Clinton speak more strongly and clearly about actual What To Do shit on race, but honestly if you know you're gonna be followed on race by a guy who is a huge racist, checking and letting him bid first isn't exactly a sucker play.
posted by cortex at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [37 favorites]


Do not invoke the name of my city of Chicago, you blaspheming cheesegolem.
posted by lieber hair at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


"a very against-police judge"

good adjective man
posted by Greg Nog at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [76 favorites]


I am so glad I'm watching this with my crew and also with y'all. I couldn't get through this sober without you guys.
posted by dogheart at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


BLACK LIVES MATTER. FUCKING SAY IT ONE OF YOU TWO.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


A very...against police judge.


Best words
posted by ian1977 at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


*Lester Holt factchecks*

Trump: "You're wrong"
posted by triggerfinger at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


Ohhh Lester calling out Trump on stop and frisk being unconstitutional.
posted by lovecrafty at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Lester pointed out stop and frisk was unconstitutional and trump said he was wrong.
posted by winna at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


'A very against police judge' is a sentence that a presidential candidate said. Also 'bad people.'
posted by palindromic at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


The subject is race, right?

His answer:
Immigrants are criminals
Stop and frisk
Gangs

Yes this is a race conversation that I expected
posted by Tarumba at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


Gangs of illegal immigrants.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016


And the crowd in Best Bar In The World applauded when Lester Holt pointed out "Stop and frisk" is unconstitutional, and has turned to outright jeering at Trump retorting that the judge was "anti-police".
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


He's blaming gun crime on illegal immigrants now.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The odds of them saying Black Lives Matter is.... I won't say zero but it's not high.
posted by Justinian at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


We all know what Law and Order means Donald. It's just like on the show Law and Order where Ice-T slams some innocent guy to the concrete but everyone ignores it week after week because there's always a rapist on the loose.
posted by zachlipton at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


YES. Lester Holt with the muthafuckin FACT. CHECK. "That's racial profiling."
posted by windbox at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Moderator: Stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional for unfairly targeting ...
Trump: No, you're wrong.
posted by janell at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016


Did he just segue from sharing his views on racism to why we need to empower law enforcement to help get rid of illegal immigrants?
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016


"We need law and order". This is so not the wrong take on Tulsa and Charlotte, Donald.

Not for a frighteningly large pool of potential voters.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Stop and frisk worked really well"

"Stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional in New York"
posted by mrgoat at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Sounds like Rudy did the coaching on stop n frisk.
posted by klarck at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Sounds like Donny is for gun control!
posted by numaner at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did NRA-endorsed Trump just endorse gun control?
posted by corb at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


"These are BAD PEOPLE" is part of his response on race. It's so bald-faced, so disgusting, that... ugh.
posted by koeselitz at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Dumb. Trump just said Clinton doesn't use the words law and order. She'll embrace the term in her response.

(He's also incoherent, and flat wrong on stop and frisk.)
posted by Gelatin at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016


He certainly comes across as having an inspiring vision of America with the 3rd world comments and the war zone and the hell.
posted by kanata at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Stop and Frisk was deemed unconsitutional," interjects Lester as Trump is explaining how he's going to help people by expanding stop and frisk nationwide.

WHOOP THERE IT IS.
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


a) Trump cannot pronounce Chicago properly

b) immigrants creating the gang problem in Chicago, you idiot, and the problem with Chicago guns is Indiana, not Mexico or anywhere else; and you are totally unfamiliar with the legal landscape in Illinois, you will never get stop and frisk past the state supreme court.

c) STOP SAYING CHICAGO WRONG STAHP STAHP STAHP
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


"it's bad, it's terrible"

CALL HIM OUT

DO YOU KNOW MORE THAN TEN ADJECTIVES, DONALD?
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


That was a really weak answer on police violence and race from Clinton, which highlights some of my problems with her. I really don't think she has it in her to address the issues of systemic racism and structural violence which are at the root of poverty and violence, and which also fuels the role of militarization and us vs. them attitude of police.

Good thing Trump is going out of his way to defend stop and frisk. A shit sandwich is better than a dumpster fire after all.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump says we have to have stop and frisk.

'I have property there - it's terrible in Chicago.'
posted by winna at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I care about that city, I have property there!
posted by uosuaq at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


This is the part of the debate where Donald Trump tells the moderator, who is black, what isn't racist.
posted by Miss Scarlet with the Candlestick in the Lounge at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [51 favorites]


Holt: Stop and Frisk was ruled unconstituional...because it largely singled out black and hispanic people
Trump: No, you're wrong [he isn't].. it went before...a not, a against police judge.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Welp, the police like Trump. I think this election is decided. After all, who dislikes the police?

Trump has property there FOR CHRISSAKES!!!!
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


AAGGHHHHGH IS THIS WHAT THE REST OF YOU HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH ALL YEAR

AGAHAGAHAGAHAGAGSHSGSGSB
posted by curious nu at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [40 favorites]


How does any of what's Trump saying broaden his appeal? Is this his GOTV plan or something? I am sympathetic to the idea that he might be winning this from the perspective of his worst supporters, but at the same time, if this is your first major introduction to him, I just don't know that I see a clear win here... Still developing, of course.
posted by feloniousmonk at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


What happened to the realtime fact checking that was supposed to happen on Bloomberg?
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016


Help, I am losing oxygen every time Trump says "property" or "investments"
posted by Hermione Granger at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump's point about thousands of shootings is valid. His response to it it stupid, but her response to it is nothing.

Guess that's a pretty good metaphor for Campaign 2016®.
posted by anarch at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Donald knows things are bad in Chicago because it's affecting his property values, apparently.
posted by joedan at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


oh jesus. That was it. He just fucking sunk himself with his comment that "you need stop and frisk".

This guy is a fucking racist.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'm thinking it would be so much better if Lester did fact-checking and some other person did the actual moderating/making sure Trump stops interjecting with pouts.
posted by mochapickle at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Why is the moderator letting him continue after calling time?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hey Donald, you're interrupting me texting my cousin's goofy friend somewhere in Europe offering a bunch of money to crash on his couch for a decade or so.
posted by Sphinx at 6:51 PM on September 26, 2016


FFS. Stop and Frisk was designed to instill fear in minorities.
posted by homunculus at 6:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The sniffing is so off putting
posted by readery at 6:51 PM on September 26, 2016


clinton: "the black community"
trump: "ugh"
posted by Greg Nog at 6:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [55 favorites]


This man is so tone deaf to the racial divide that he's barely even speaking the same language. Some adviser told him that white people wanted to hear about how horrible the lives of minorities are, and that's become his only race-related talking point. He really seems to believe that law and order will heal America's race problem.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump cannot pronounce Chicago properly

He thinks any polysyllabic word sounds more compelling when bitten off in a sing-song staccato.

He's wrong.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump's sighs and grunts remind me a little of Al Gore.
posted by homunculus at 6:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I may have just screamed at the television about Dallas.
posted by maryr at 6:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


if facts and critical thinking still mattered in america, things would be looking very bad for donald trump right now
posted by entropicamericana at 6:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


YES, QUOTE THE FUCKING CRIME STATS, HIL!
posted by leotrotsky at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I enjoyed that audible groan at her point, very presidential
posted by Countess Elena at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


These dumbass tweets that Bloomberg is putting on the screen are supposed to be fact checking?
posted by roll truck roll at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hillary didn't look angry until he tried defending stop and frisk. Attacking her didn't get her hackles up but that certainly did.
posted by Tevin at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


Now he's doing that Hapsburg jaw thing again. So fucking creepy.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


HRC: We have to address the systemic racism in our criminal justice system.
posted by palindromic at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


She said the R word! Yay!
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Did NRA-endorsed Trump just endorse gun control?

Yes: he has done this several times already on the campaign trail. This has been a repeated point. It's always been in the context of 'stop and frisk' and 'bad people,' which I think most people have taken as dog-whistles for 'endorse taking guns from anyone who isn't white.'
posted by cjelli at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


We can't just say "law and order" we need a plan.
posted by leotrotsky at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Please tell me somebody is using that app that tracks male vs female speaking times. I'm too busy yelling at my screen to do it.
posted by instamatic at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


trained lawyer vs real estate huckster...I die relaxi.
posted by vrakatar at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's able to dial it back, build it back up, and hammer a point. He's like a klaxon.
posted by petebest at 6:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


clinton: "the black community"
trump: "ugh"


God, I was hoping against hope that I'd misheard that.
posted by jesourie at 6:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Clinton: "In fact, violent crime is half of what it was in 1991".
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hillary directly calls out the systemic racism in our criminal justice system by pointing out that young black men go to jail for things young white men are not jailed for.
posted by winna at 6:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [66 favorites]


HRC: We shouldn't have a profit motive to fill our prisons with young Americans.
posted by palindromic at 6:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [54 favorites]


Someone at Best BAr In The World just shouted out "preach it!" During Hillary's 2 minutes on race and inequality.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


He made an actual sound of disgust when she started talking about what law and order means for actual black people
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


Clinton: "We've got to address the systemic racism in our system. We cannot just say 'law and order'".
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


"I'm glad we're getting rid of privately owned prisons in the federal system, and I want to get rid of them in the state system, too."

YES. She's on top again.
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 6:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Systemic racism gets mentioned as fact in a national debate. I'm marking this moment in my life.
posted by shelbaroo at 6:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [108 favorites]


He's clearly trying to build consensus with her in a kind of "yeah I think that too" kind of way.
posted by petebest at 6:54 PM on September 26, 2016


I don't know what anyone else is thinking about Clinton's performance here but this is the point where my attitude towards her went from accepting to enthusiastic.
posted by dis_integration at 6:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


HRC: I think implicit bias is a problem for everyone, not just police.
posted by palindromic at 6:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [78 favorites]


Implicit bias is a problem for everyone, not just police.

Thank you. Now say Black Lives Matter.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


HRC: "Implicit bias is a problem for everyone, not just police."
posted by Westringia F. at 6:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


"I think implicit bias is a problem for everyone, not just police." Wow she actually said it.
posted by winna at 6:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


She's nailing this section.
posted by AndrewInDC at 6:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


She's dodging the implicit bias bullets like it's the goddamned Matrix
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 6:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


She's right about bias but is this too left for the crowd, I worry
posted by Countess Elena at 6:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


that's awesome we're talking about implicit bias. SAY BLACK LIVES MATTER.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


This(race and police laws) is a good subject for her. He doesn't have any prepared interruption points.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ugh no not the no fly no buy thing!
posted by instamatic at 6:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary: "I think implicit bias is a problem for many of us, not just police.... We need to ask ourselves some questions."
posted by mochapickle at 6:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yes there is systemic bias. !
Police having to handle mental health issues

Trump nodding a lot. He agrees with alot.
posted by petebest at 6:55 PM on September 26, 2016


Tricky question from Holt about implicit bias in the police, fielded well by Clinton.
posted by dazed_one at 6:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh snap "we all have implicit bias"! Did Hillary get woke???
posted by numaner at 6:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is it possible expectations were not lowered sufficiently?

I am not a fucking idiot pundit so I find it hard to tell.
posted by Artw at 6:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


How can you think that stop-and-frisk is an example of systemic racism and defend the terror watchlist?
posted by roll truck roll at 6:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Even his hair is a lie.
posted by valkane at 6:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Bring up the Central Park killers ad, damnit.
posted by Yowser at 6:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"superpredator" dammit
posted by koeselitz at 6:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He just advocated a No Fly Zone gun ban, hated by the NRA, while touting the NRA's endorsement.
posted by chris24 at 6:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


OK, HRC did mention systemic racism, if only with regards to the criminal justice system. She's very awkward on this topic and keeps pivoting to gun control. I suppose I'm dreaming to think a major political candidate to acknowledge and face the fact that America has a deep strain of racism that has infected our society from top to bottom. Changes in policing are great, but aren't going to solve our racist society.
posted by Panjandrum at 6:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He's trying to get her on superpredators - that's all he's got. She has this in the bag.
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 6:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's going back to stop and frisk. He doesn't know to leave it.
posted by petebest at 6:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Dude Trump stop with the stop and frisk you're killing yourself
posted by Tarumba at 6:56 PM on September 26, 2016




"I think it was a terrible thing to say." -- not words that ought to be coming from Donald Trump of all people
posted by Rangi at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


MetaFilter: 500 murders is a lot of murders.
posted by vrakatar at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy shit Donald Trump just said that "there might be a political reason" why Hillary is saying she doesn't support stop and frisk.
posted by winna at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


NOPE MORE MURDERS
LIKE A MILLION MURDERS
I SAW THEM ONE OF THE MURDERS LOOKED AT ME
posted by Greg Nog at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


You are not going to hear the words "Black Lives Matter" in this debate. The phrase is too tainted by bias at this point. People actually believe that BLM is a second coming of the Black Panthers (who weren't even that bad!).
posted by explosion at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


I have the /pol/ thread on this open in another tab. Interestingly, they're fairly split on who's winning, but they seem enraged by Trump's gun control comments.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I suppose I'm dreaming to think a major political candidate to acknowledge and face the fact that America has a deep strain of racism that has infected our society from top to bottom. Changes in policing are great, but aren't going to solve our racist society.

Depends on if you want them to win or not. Maybe in 20 years.
posted by Justinian at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016


"You're a racist just like me, you just won't admit it."
posted by charred husk at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think he is unaware that white radicals are put on terrorism watch lists.
posted by palindromic at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016


she's getting nailed by her "superpredator" comment from the 90's. Good. Let her sweat this one, answer the question Hillary.

Trump, you're still a fucking asshole.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump goes back to defending stop and frisk. Amazing.
posted by mochapickle at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nope. Murder is up. Nope.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016


He keeps falling back on stuff, at some point here I expect him to announce that his tremendous new hotel will feature complimentary stop-and-frisk for all guests once their audits are over.
posted by cortex at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


He just said stop and frisk is to take guns away from "gangs." Tell me that isn't a racist dog whistle.
posted by Gelatin at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Trump doesn't know how to do the "watch and wait" thing; he's nodding along - it looks like he's agreeing with her on gun rights (keep them away from ppl on watch lists/no fly lists), police retraining, etc.

He brings up her calling black men "young black predators." (c'mon Hilary; here's your chance to say "I was young and ignorant and I have since learned that black lives matter.")
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


"superpredator" dammit

Yeah but he just kept blathering on and on and on and on, burying it. Typical Trump. He wastes prime opportunities to nail Clinton. I think it's psychological.
posted by My Dad at 6:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Folks, no amount of logic or flawless performance from Secretary Clinton is going to convince the sort of folks who would vote for Trump. This is theater, and the country will vote aproximately 50/50

This is probably a pretty good approximation for most of the electorate. But at the margins... there are some people who really dislike Trump and think they dislike Clinton because of the smoke that's been going up their whole lives. This is one chance they might have to get to know her instead of the hints and caricatures they've absorbed. I don't know how big the change will be at those margins but I think it's possible it could make a difference.
posted by wildblueyonder at 6:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Trump has no idea what is happening in Detroit.
posted by palindromic at 6:58 PM on September 26, 2016


KNOCK KNOCK
WHO'S THERE?
INTERRUPTING TRUMP
posted by zarq at 6:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [45 favorites]


HRC: I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. And you know what else I prepared for? Being President.
posted by palindromic at 6:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [118 favorites]


BIRTHERISM.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:59 PM on September 26, 2016


There's no clapping! Come on, y'all. Even when it's clapping we all want to do.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"And you know what else I prepared for? Being President. And I think that's a good thing."
posted by The Wrong Kind of Cheese at 6:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I PREPARED TO PRESIDENT YOU SCHMUCKY OOMPA LOOMPA
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Well, she got a shot off with the "prepared to be a president" thing - that's good.
posted by koeselitz at 6:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I PREPARED TO BE PRESIDENT, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.

OMFG THE BIRTHERISM!!!
posted by leotrotsky at 6:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Heaven help me, Donald stop mentioning my state and cities in my state. We don't need you to shine a spotlight on how shitty Michigan is. Thank you.
posted by INFJ at 6:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I prepared to be President. And that's a good thing."
posted by phunniemee at 6:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


20 seconds?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:59 PM on September 26, 2016


OH FUCK birtherism
posted by chaoticgood at 6:59 PM on September 26, 2016


Democrats have "controlled these [black] communities" for 100 years? The people you are talking about can vote, you idiot, and they fought long and hard for that right. Calling voters pawns is not going to go over well.
posted by zachlipton at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


KNOCK KNOCK
WHO'S THERE?
INTERRUPTING TRUMP


Oh yeah right like interrupting Trump actually knocks.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


"Democrats have always exploited inner city people"
REALLY WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THEM DONNY??
posted by numaner at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Birther question! Go Lester Holt.

Trump: "blame Clinton 2008"
posted by petebest at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016


For this birther section, she has brought her Between Two Ferns face.
posted by palindromic at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


holy crap he's doubling down on this Hillary birther malarkey
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh god, is he going to - is he going to call her the original birther?
posted by koeselitz at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016


Oh snap!! "You know what else I prepared for? I prepared to be President."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I know I should be providing context but the phrase WHAT THE FUCK IS HE EVEN TALKING ABOUT really applies to this whole section
posted by savetheclocktower at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh, is this the place where Trump starts quoting Infowars?
posted by Panjandrum at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


If nothing else comes out of this debate, I hope we'll at least be able to come together as a nation on one point. Whatever his policies, whatever his qualifications, like him or not, we must agree: this man is a dick.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


Wow, surprisingly weak birther defense. I'm surprised he didn't have some tirade ready to sideswipe it.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Seriously if she's not winning at this point she can't win. If she doesn't get a huge bump among undecides I give up.
posted by craven_morhead at 7:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's trying to do "I'm not a birther; Hilary's a birther!"
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Lester, I have to say I may have been too hasty in judging you.
posted by zachlipton at 7:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Is he just bringing up Jewish names now every time Clinton's people are mentioned?
posted by corb at 7:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Just saw someone post this on Facebook: NPR's transcribing and fact-checking the debate live on its site. (The transcript is a little garbled from having to keep up with everything but might be worth checking out once the dust settles.)
posted by xenization at 7:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump: I say nothing, but let me just tell you.
posted by palindromic at 7:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Clinton smiling at all of Trump's idiocy gives me life.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 7:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Holt just called out Trump out for lying about getting the birth certificate
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Nobody was caring much about it.<----the reason why he was still bringing up birtherism for 5 years after Obama produced the birth certificate.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump to Holt: "I knew you'd ask this question [about birtherism] tonight."

Which means he had no idea Holt would ask that.
posted by mochapickle at 7:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"What do you say to America about racial healing?"

"I say nothing."
posted by aka burlap at 7:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


word salad for everyone.
posted by vrakatar at 7:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump just *admitted* continuing the birther obsession after Obama produced his birth certificate!
posted by Gelatin at 7:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Clinton is breaking the fourth wall, shaking her head to us, the audience, re: the birther crap Trump is spewing. ~waves and gives a thumbs up to Hillary~
posted by but no cigar at 7:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Just listen to what you heard"
posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 7:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Just listen to what you heard..."

FUCK YEAH!
posted by leotrotsky at 7:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


There's a lot there.
posted by curious nu at 7:02 PM on September 26, 2016


On birtherism, his answer is "I say nothing"

His answer is birtherism? "Fuck you that's my answer."
posted by craven_morhead at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016


"Now everyone in the mainstream media is going to say it's not true..."

Yes, because it's not true.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016


She just called it "the whole racist birther lie!" She said racist. Twice. Damn straight.
posted by zachlipton at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


I believe Trump has just made political history by having his approval rating in the Black community drop below zero. That's right, Black people who haven't even been born yet hate Donald Trump
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [66 favorites]


mad props to the closed captioner who may end up getting aphasia-by-proxy due to transcribing trump tonight
posted by entropicamericana at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Lester- 'What do you say about racial healing?'

Trump - 'I say nothing.'

We are done here. That is the money quote.
posted by winna at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [77 favorites]


Holt: "What do you say about racial healing [wrt questioning whether Obama was born in the US for years]"

Trump: "I say nothing."

That about sums it up.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wow, he's really really sniffling.
posted by lovecrafty at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


HRC: "He started his political career based in this racist birther lie."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh my god I just have a weird aneurysm moment I cannot believe Trump is there behaving that way. It's so embarrassing.
posted by Tarumba at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016


Woo, finally. Thank you. Call him a racist. Call him a liar. Make him answer for his actual record.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


JUST LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HEARD!
posted by numaner at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"racist birther lie!" YES. YES.
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Justice Dept lawsuit. This is such a sick burn.
posted by asockpuppet at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Am loving this. She came loaded for bear.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 7:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donald Trump has absolutely NO IDEA that questioning a black man's citizenship is a racist affront. None.
posted by zennie at 7:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


Trump swerving hard to avoid addressing the fact that he kept bringing up the birther myth for years after the certificate was produced.
posted by Panthalassa at 7:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton just called out Donald's birtherism as a "racist lie." Quotes intended. Can I get a THANK YOU?'
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 7:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


WHO IS UNDECIDED? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?
posted by cacofonie at 7:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


"Just listen to what you heard..."
I did listen and my ears started bleeding.
posted by bawanaal at 7:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh shit she's calling him on housing discrimination in the 70s.
posted by lovecrafty at 7:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm literally clapping for her response on the birther issue. Not figuratively literally. Actually literally.
posted by dis_integration at 7:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Biggly is the new embiggen. Make America Cromulent Again.
posted by drezdn at 7:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


He just claimed to settle a racial bias suit "with no admission of guilt".

So...that just means he pleaded "no contest".
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


Trump on his racist past: "It's just one of those things"
posted by joeyh at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"We settled with no admission of guilt!" DOESN'T MEAN YOU WEREN'T GUILTY ASSHOLE
posted by numaner at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


YES. YES. She called it a racist lie! And she used the housing discrimination from the seventies! She deployed it with perfect accuracy, it was amazing. Now she's praising Obama's grace under fire; Trump is accusing her of being disrespectful to Obama in 2008 and therefore hypocritical to be praising him now.
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


The Guardian today says:
Murders up 10.8% in biggest percentage increase since 1971, FBI data shows
Rising violence in 2015 driven by increase in murders of black men and gun crime, as experts brace for political ‘hysteria’ amid 2016 election
But even with that increase, still lower that Trump's figure of 500 murders in NYC supposedly due to stop and frisk:
New York City, which saw more than 2,000 murders a year in the early 1990s, saw just 352 last year, according to New York police department data.
posted by XMLicious at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump you don't get kudos for not being a racist. That's the standard.
posted by DynamiteToast at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ) tweets during this debate have been awesome.
posted by humanfont at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I settled that lawsuit with no admission of guilt."
         -Donald Trump, on being a racist jerkhole.
posted by Justinian at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Trump straight up tells Hillary she is acting holier-than-thou, then rambles on about the nasty commercials she does on him (the commercials are often just strings of his soundbytes).
posted by mochapickle at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I really don't think Trump is the one to decide how Obama interacts or feels about Clinton?
posted by palindromic at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Re: Birther shit - amazing that when pressed about it, in a presidential debate, the dude just gets to say "I say nothing". That's it! How about that. He doesn't feel like talking about it. Remarkable. That's the level of discourse we're at.
posted by windbox at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Okay, she's doing much better than she was, and I'm - cautiously relieved?
posted by koeselitz at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016


His argument is something like "well they sued lots of people for racial discrimination." That's because there were a lot of fucking racists.

And now he wants "great credit" for letting non-white people into his club.
posted by zachlipton at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Trump says: I watched your campaign against Obama, and you were very mean to him! Don't try to pretend you're good friends!

You make nasty commercials about me! I don't make nasty commercials about you - maybe I'm trying to save the money.

...um. Not being persuasive there.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


I like when he's so proud of letting black people into his club.
posted by areaperson at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Donald Trump has absolutely NO IDEA that questioning a black man's citizenship is a racist affront. None.


This. Motherfucker. This.
posted by shoesietart at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [60 favorites]


"I say nothing! I say nothing!"

Can't wait to see what HRC team does with some of these lines from Trump in their next round of advertisements.
posted by Gotanda at 7:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


"The nasty commercials you do on me that I don't do on you."

The only nasty commercials I have seen were the ones that showed kids, veterans, grandparents, etc LISTENING TO HIM TALK IN HIS OWN WORDS.
posted by instamatic at 7:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [62 favorites]


What picture of garb is he referring to??
posted by Miko at 7:07 PM on September 26, 2016


I think I know where we're going with Clinton bringing up Russia.
posted by Panthalassa at 7:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait a second... Did he just defend against accusations of racism by touring his regard for Muslims?
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's rambling about a club? What club? Who cares?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I hate Trump so much I can't watch the debates just because I can't stand to hear him speak.
posted by asteria at 7:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


nice, they finally cut away from him for interrupting. wonder if they've stepped on his mic too.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did no one coach him on how to answer questions about his racial discrimination suit? That was nearly the worst possible answer! He essentially said that he did it because everyone else was, and he settled without admitting guilt.
posted by gladly at 7:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Did he just sarcastically correct her pronunciation of Putin? What... I wasn't even going to drink tonight.
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I've been given great credit and that is the way I feel"<--- what that means and who these people are that give Donald Trump "great credit" for being an equal opportunity landlord, I don't know. It's those people in his head again.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:08 PM on September 26, 2016


Trump is really starting to fall apart.
posted by joedan at 7:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit, how could she let him off worth that no admission of guilt thing.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I think Clinton really settled in to this debate. Her worst (and that's relative) bit was about 10 minutes in when Trump first lost his cool. Probably because that's something she's never had to deal with from someone over the age of 5. But she got a handle on it and the last 45 minutes have been very good.
posted by Justinian at 7:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Clinton calling out Russian hackers and Trump bromance with Putin.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


( I am a network security engineer. State-sponsored groups are a pain in the ass. That includes our own 3 letter acronyms)
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


what the hell did he just bend over to mutter?
posted by bologna on wry at 7:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I love that she took cyber attacks and quickly zeroed in on Russia and their cyber hacking. Very topical and such a great way to needle Trump.
posted by litera scripta manet at 7:09 PM on September 26, 2016


Where's Stefon when you need to understand something you just heard about a club.
posted by acidic at 7:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


No, he defended the accusations of racism by sharing the fact he owns a club where anyone rich can come in, regardless of how black or muslim they are!
posted by das_2099 at 7:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


He has no idea how it sounds to normal people when he talks about how he settled lawsuits with no admission of guilt or leaned on the trades who worked for him, does he?
posted by winna at 7:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


The 13-year-old Corb-house mini-Republican demographic has just declared "I hope Clinton wins, he is going to eat our babies."
posted by corb at 7:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [187 favorites]


what the hell did he just bend over to mutter?

'Wrong,' I believe.
posted by Panthalassa at 7:09 PM on September 26, 2016


Trump just said he was endorsed by ICE. Isn't that a government agency? I think he meant the Border Patrol union, but he said the agency.
posted by zachlipton at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Endorsed by ICE. How is that even shaped like true
posted by Countess Elena at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


Holy shit, how could she let him off worth that no admission of guilt thing.

Pulling the lawyer card probably isn't a hot move.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Okay, she's doing much better than she was, and I'm - cautiously relieved?

I was just thinking the same thing. It's like he used up his one move and she's pulling ahead.
posted by chococat at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wasn't Admirals and Generals a cut number from some Frank Loesser musical?
posted by asockpuppet at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


ICE can't endorse shit, Donald. IT'S PART OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT YOU DOLT.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


When your opponent says something as stupid as "No admission of guilt", don't say anything that might make you look stupid as well. It will be a great sound bite all by itself.
posted by humanfont at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Just how many admirals and generals are there?
posted by monopas at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I swear he just almost said he was endorsed by ISIS.
posted by winna at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


Asked about cyber security and babbles for a half his time about his endorsements.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm just disappointed didn't get the opportunity to respond "but Obama still appointed me Secretary of State."
posted by Gelatin at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


BINGO!
posted by danapiper at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Was fat-shaming on any of the bingo cards? Four hundred pound hacker ftw.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


...Did he just say that he'll be president for 10 years?
posted by Torosaurus at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"It could also be someone sitting on their bed who weighs 400lbs. You don't know who broke into the DNC."
posted by zachlipton at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I don't think ICE can endorse anything at all...
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016


Welp he just lost the 4chan vote with that "hackers weighing 400 pounds" comment.

SadFace
posted by Yowser at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [73 favorites]


It could be someone sitting on their bed who weighs 400 lbs.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


You're happy with the general's endorsements, Donald? I thought you were going to fire them all?
posted by C'est la D.C. at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


did he just say he got endorsed by Isis?
posted by any major dude at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016


"Endorsed by ICE" makes no sense.
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016


Somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 lbs? WTF?
posted by tetsuo at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Pulling the lawyer card probably isn't a hot move.

Why not? People love lawyers! Don't they?
posted by infinitywaltz at 7:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think he just reads the first ten bots that reply to his tweets and thinks that the shit they tweet is the stuff Americans care about. So much weird inside baseball idiocy.
posted by savetheclocktower at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


someone on their bed who weights 400 pounds? The fuck??
posted by triggerfinger at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


It could've been anyone. Could've been the moon. Could've been my son with his computers.
posted by AndrewInDC at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


what the fuck is cyber?
posted by qcubed at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


we came in with the internet, we wha?
posted by vrakatar at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016


oh jesus he just employed fat phobia. My heart goes out to anyone hurt by that.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


He essentially said that he did it because everyone else was, and he settled without admitting guilt.

I was really hoping that Clinton made that point explicitly, and now I'm hoping that this is a big point in coverage tomorrow, because, you know, the reason so many landlords were being sued by the government in the '70s? Because of the all the discrimination. It's an complete non-defense, if you actually look at it.
posted by cjelli at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


did Trump just say he was endorsed by Ice-us yep that's what I heard, going with that.
posted by acidic at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Is it me, or is he giving really weird emphasis to any Jewish name he mentions?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


"The computer aspect of cyber"
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Trump fat-shaming hackers now.
posted by joedan at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Ye gods, he's using his national security affirmative statement to talk about the DNC emails!
posted by Gelatin at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


God Trump is such a clown how can anyone support him how how how
posted by zardoz at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016


He is all over the board with "the cyber"

Admirals love me. ICE loves me. Border patrol loves me. Cyber is . . we have ISIS. My son loves computers.
posted by petebest at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


The state of discourse in 2016: My son is good with computers. "The security aspect of cyber is very very tough"
posted by zachlipton at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


YUGE PROBLEM
posted by entropicamericana at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


cyber == sex
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


My son has computers!
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump should talk about Sidney Blumenthal some more. I think that really moves the needle with undecided voters. The Sidney demographic is key to the election.
posted by Justinian at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Of course neither of them are able to say anything intelligent and substantial about "cyberattacks", but apparently one of them can at least point out some completely idiotic things her opponent said about it.
posted by sfenders at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump: "The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough... there are a number of things we need to be doing better, and certainly cyber is one of them."
posted by koeselitz at 7:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Trump just said he was endorsed by ICE. Isn't that a government agency? I think he meant the Border Patrol union, but he said the agency.

Yeah, ICE can't endorse, but I think the ICE officer's union did. (Job security!)
posted by Pater Aletheias at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


garb
posted by anarch at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think he just offered his 10 year old son Baron to work on internet security
posted by blue suede stockings at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


10 years old!!!!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016


For a second I thought he said admirals endorsed him to LEAVE this country.
posted by corb at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I have the /pol/ thread on this open in another tab. Interestingly, they're fairly split on who's winning, but they seem enraged by Trump's gun control comments.

Sangermaine, I'm looking at this 4chan thread, and the attitude seems to be one of disappointment. They're not giving Trump a pass on some of the stuff we're criticizing him for here on MeFi, to wit:

Black voter here. I hate Hillary but if Trump supports nation wide "stop and frisk" I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary.
posted by iffthen at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I have a son...he's got computers, he's good, and the cyber, and *oh could we just please extend this another hour*...
posted by uosuaq at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Well Trump just lost the ten year old vote by saying the ten year olds were good with cyber and implying that it was probably them.
posted by winna at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016


He was endorsed by Vanilla Ice.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


400 lbs sitting on their bed? Nice asshole


You son is 10 and is so good at computers? Ummmmm ok.
posted by ian1977 at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"The security aspect of cyber"
posted by EatTheWeak at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Barron Trump, Czar of Hacking
posted by dis_integration at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


did Trump just say he was endorsed by Ice-us yep that's what I heard, going with that.


Ice T?

Ice Cube?

Vanilla Ice?
posted by ocschwar at 7:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


We have problems with the cyber. Apparently.

Clinton: I have a plan to deal with ISIS as well is their online presence. (going into other details of ground war which don't relate to cybersecurity.)
posted by petebest at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am so sorry
posted by numaner at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Dammit Hillary, you know it was the Russians.. Say so!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I hate Trump so much I can't watch the debates just because I can't stand to hear him speak.


Yeah, my dad, in addition to being physically and emotionally abusive, was also a racist, sexist blowhard. I just can't.
posted by snickerdoodle at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"The nasty commercials you do on me that I don't do on you."

Who needs to run ads when you get to advertise all you want on the fucking programming itself?
posted by Rykey at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He probably meant Vanilla Ice, you guys
posted by Sys Rq at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016


Russia Russia Russia

Oh, JAN
posted by chococat at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm going to need "the cyber" explained to me in terms of how many tubes.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


It's not "cyber", it's "the cyber"
posted by Hairy Lobster at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


For anyone confused when Trump keeps saying 'cyber': Urban Dictionary's definition.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


[A shout in the wilderness I know, but again please try to aim for slightly more substantial comments about what you're reacting to rather than just tiny quotes or stranded WTFs and please consider whether you're the likely to be the fifth person to cover something. On with the insanity.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


The state of discourse in 2016: My son is good with computers

Le Dauphin Trump laughs at parental controls
posted by Countess Elena at 7:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


She's been fighting Isis her entire adult life.
posted by ian1977 at 7:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The ad utterly writes itself: our nation is under attack by cybercriminals stealing your personal information, and Trump's plan is that he has a son who's good at computers. That's what you do when you can't get your address book to pop up in Outlook, not to lead a national policy on internet security.
posted by zachlipton at 7:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


They have excellent tubes in Dubai. Tubes like you've never seen.
posted by winna at 7:14 PM on September 26, 2016


The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough

That makes...a little bit more sense, I guess...
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:14 PM on September 26, 2016


Debate: Foreign Cyber Attacks

'My son is 10 and he is so good at computers'
posted by panaceanot at 7:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Apparently we're now talking about ISIS but I didn't hear Lester ask a question about it.

"We should have taken the oil!" excellent.
posted by petebest at 7:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"trying to take out ISIS a looong time"

Yeah like 4 years!
posted by numaner at 7:14 PM on September 26, 2016


I think you'll agree, Lester, cuz I said it to you once...
posted by wallabear at 7:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump's son will be the next head of cyber security. Tiffany though, she gets nothing.
posted by arcticseal at 7:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump: Had we taken the oil...

Luckily, oil is super easy to take, and theft of natural resources is not a war crime.
posted by palindromic at 7:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


Holt: Tell us specifically how you would prevent home grown attacks.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh, my god, i cannot wait to see how the so-called undecideds are reacting to this.
posted by palomar at 7:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Donald continuously lamenting past mistakes and the nation's present condition. Very scant on the solutions and its future.
posted by Panthalassa at 7:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump is now advocating that we should have taken the oil and now ISIS has the oil all over the place.
posted by winna at 7:15 PM on September 26, 2016


my stream just died. has anyone mentioned OBL yet?
posted by entropicamericana at 7:15 PM on September 26, 2016


The "we should have taken the oil" nonsense..
posted by tetsuo at 7:15 PM on September 26, 2016


>I am so sorry

No forgiveness.

He keeps talking about how "we need to do cyber" and every time I've ever heard cyber as a verb before this it referred to cyber sex and I'm just like "shut the fuck up Donald SHUT THE FUCK UP" even more than usual.

Thank the nine divines I'm drunk while watching this.

"Take the oil" oh and he advocated another war crime before I had time to hit post what a shocker.
posted by fomhar at 7:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's still denying the Iraq thing? Guys I'm starting to think Donald's lost the plot a little.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Somone has trained Trump on how to roll back the 'Obama founded ISIS' nonsense talking point.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump is such a petulant child.
posted by joedan at 7:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's talking about "taking the oil" again? What a fucking moron.
posted by zardoz at 7:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"We should have taken the oil."

Not sure that pillaging the country that you invade is a good way to leave it stable.
posted by dazed_one at 7:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


all my life I've watched her fight Isis!
posted by vrakatar at 7:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


btw, the Trump folks deleted the tweet about global warming being a Chinese hoax in the middle of the debate after Trump claimed he never said it.
posted by zachlipton at 7:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [74 favorites]


When I'm elected President we're going to have the best cyber. Just, completely amazing cyber. You know what else? We're going to make everyone else pay our cyber. Believe me, our cyber is going to be so good, you're going to be tired of getting such good cyber.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


"Donald, you do know the oil is in the ground?"

(She also got him to double down on the opposing-Iraq-war lie.)
posted by Gelatin at 7:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ooh, she's baiting him on NATO now.
posted by palindromic at 7:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Intelligence surge". Ugh. Can we not?
posted by wabbittwax at 7:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Which candidate would you prefer to invite to your Thanksgiving dinner?
posted by Short Attention Sp at 7:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


er, except now the tweet about deleting the tweet has been deleted. Not sure what that means.
posted by zachlipton at 7:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yes, Hillary mentioned taking out OBL, but didn't dwell on it.
posted by janell at 7:17 PM on September 26, 2016


I can't disagree with him on the vacuum creating ISIS but he can't also say she's been fighting ISIS her "entire life"
posted by AFABulous at 7:17 PM on September 26, 2016


So glad she is talking about not alienating Muslim communities.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


well chat finally died

thanks obama
posted by vuron at 7:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


btw, the Trump folks deleted the tweet about global warming being a Chinese hoax in the middle of the debate after Trump claimed he never said it.

That, I'm afraid, was a lie. The tweet is still up.
posted by Shmuel510 at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


and certainly cyber is one of them."

"In summary cyber is a land of contrasts."
posted by drezdn at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh boy Trump is "taking the oil again."

Clinton: Fact checkers need to be working overtime. Donald Trump was for [Donald: Wrong] the war [Donald: Wrong] in Iraq [Donald: Wrong.]
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ooh, I bet that reference to NATO was a shot across Trump's bow.

...definitely, because she's talking about Trump alienating Muslim allies.
posted by Gelatin at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016


er, except now the tweet about deleting the tweet has been deleted. Not sure what that means.


Someone's getting sacked.
posted by curious nu at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Clinton: Pointing out GBW made the withdrawl from Iraq, not Obama.

Then pointing out Lester's question was about what to do in America. We need more intelligence from EU, Middle east, we need to work with our allies. NATO. Muslim nations in the middle east, DJT has consistently insulted them. They're on the front lines that can provide information with us, they need to have close working relationships not pushed away as Trump's rhetoric would mess up.

Trump: Iran deal was a mess. They're going to reunion everything. With NATO, I haven't given lots of thoughts to it, but many aren't paying their dues.

(Yeah, haven't given a lot of thought to it)
posted by petebest at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]




This global warming hoax tweet is still live. Maybe they undeleted it or something? Or it was never deleted. Sorry.
posted by zachlipton at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016


Donald: "I haven't put a lot of thought to NATO, but let me tell what I think anyway"
posted by C'est la D.C. at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Donald Trump: I haven't thought a lot about NATO, but 28 of those countries aren't paying their fair share.

Donald Trump, in response to Clinton's assertion that he doesn't pay federal taxes: "I was smart."
posted by mudpuppie at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


"I haven't given a lot of thought to NATO…"

I'll be Clinton has.
posted by Deathalicious at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


No one focuses on TERA anymore tbh.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


NATO is the longest military alliance in history?
posted by rosswald at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016


He's expanding on his idea of charging countries for NATO support
posted by Tarumba at 7:18 PM on September 26, 2016


Oh good, NATO. Here's a corner of your grave you haven't dug out very cleanly Donald, surely you can dig deeper over there, please go ahead.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


We are getting a neat little synopsis on how international politics is hard and complex from Secretary Clinton.

Donald's now critiquing NATO for not being strong on terror.
posted by winna at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


The camera needs to pull back a bit so we can see Donald's tiny hands waving.
posted by Short Attention Sp at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016


Terra division.
posted by zardoz at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


One thing about Donald Trimp's comment about us living in a 3rd world country is resonating with me: He's the candidate for president for a major party. A major party candidate is recommending that, against the wishes of the occupied nation and against international law, the US should have stayed in Iraq in force and confiscated their natural resources. Troops that were only there because of a war his party started.

I've got a petty, wannabe warlord as a viable candidate for running my country. Yes, that makes me feel like I'm living ina 3rd world country.

I live in Atlanta though, so my airport is pretty great
posted by Panjandrum at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


Why is he going back to the NATO thing???? That was an entire news cycle you lost!
posted by AndrewInDC at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016


Chat still lives! come back!
posted by litleozy at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016


I have given lots of thought to NATO

#1

#2


And #2

Numerous. I was very strong. Major terrorer division. But I'm all for nato but they have to pay but believe me and we have to knock the hell out of Isis and believe me they were the ones and they couldn't believe it.
posted by ian1977 at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


So she consistently calls him "Donald", and he consistently calls her "Secretary Clinton". What is the dominance-politics implication of this?
posted by jackbishop at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


He's talking in circles about NATO.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016


Trump: "They . do. not. focus. on Terra!" (talking about NATO)
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016


"Notice Trump sniffing all the time. Coke user?"
daaaaamn doctor dean.
posted by changeling at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


Following along on Twitter as well. Lots of comments about sniffing and cocaine. Including from Howard Dean.
posted by vac2003 at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh god please let that Frank Luntz thing be representative. He is an evil, evil man. But he knows how to focus group.
posted by Justinian at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


NATO is opening up a MAJAH TERRAHA office, which was because of what I said. We have to knock the hell out of ISIS fast. It was created by Obama and Clinton.
posted by petebest at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016


Surprised Clinton mentioned Libya, a big black-mark on her tenure, but Trump misses that opportunity
posted by cacofonie at 7:19 PM on September 26, 2016


"Donald, you do know the oil is in the ground?"

Did she say that?
posted by tetsuo at 7:20 PM on September 26, 2016


Metafilter died briefly too. The debate is killing us in more ways than just the alcohol poisoning.
posted by corb at 7:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


"I haven't given lots of thought to NATO."

Just repeat that, HRC. Did you just hear this guy who wants to be President say, "I haven't given lots of thought to NATO"? Then, stop.
posted by Gotanda at 7:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The betting markets are fairly noisy so I wouldn't read too much into them, but Trump's odds have fallen significantly since the debate started.
posted by mbrubeck at 7:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Holt: The last question is for you Mister Trump... Why don't you call your daughter Tiffany more often?
posted by drezdn at 7:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


He's talking about Tara. He's a yuge Gone with the Wind fan.
posted by entropicamericana at 7:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION! ANSWER ME NOW!!!
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]




The Chuck Tingle is live-tweeting the debate and it is a future Storify of manic surrealist glory.
1st falter of night from CLINTONS as she mistakes Tromps bubbling void speech as rational human thought and not the screams of 1000 crabs— Chuck Tingle (@ChuckTingle) September 27, 2016
DOMALD TROMP: "i once opened a club and human beings were allowed not just crabs, i swear". moderator declines to interject with fact check— Chuck Tingle (@ChuckTingle) September 27, 2016
posted by nicebookrack at 7:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


Clinton's poker face as Trump argues with Holt is pure gold
posted by prize bull octorok at 7:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


"I did not support the war in I-RACK. That is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her!"

[real]
posted by iffthen at 7:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Hillary is literally looking directly at the camera like out of The Office.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 7:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [98 favorites]


I think Lester Holt is likely to get good reviews for his performance tonight.
posted by uosuaq at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's debating Lester!?
posted by wallabear at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


TURN OFF HIS MIC.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I said idk maybe" lol
posted by acidic at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


He keeps calling her "the secretary" which is actually a pretty nasty underhanded gender attack.
posted by winna at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


Hillary keeps Jim-from-the-Office-ing at me and I <3 it.
posted by goHermGO at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Wow, Trump is completely breaking down. He's just rambling. What the hell is he even talking about now?
posted by Sangermaine at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Jesus fuck. I'm renegging.

Trump is shouting at the world without a functional weirding module.

Wow the Iraq War meltdown by Trump.

!!love Hillary's facial responses on the split screen!!
posted by porpoise at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh boy, can we get a lifeline to Sean Hannity.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


LESTER, YOU HAVE THE POWER OF SPEECH, USE IT.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Tripling down on I Did Not Support the War. That's a mainstream media lie! She set them up with me!

Lester: the record shows differently

Trump I did lots of interviews. the one with Hannity said you were against the war. But nobody wants to call Hannity. He used to have fights with me, and I understand that but not so much.
posted by petebest at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Dude, Lester Holt looks like he's shaking as he tries to fact check trump and ask him legit questions while getting interrupted by Trumps word diarrhea.
posted by windbox at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


It's impressive that technology has reached the point where they can digitally rotoscope out the giant cocaine blob hanging from Trump's nose during a live broadcast.
posted by entropicamericana at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Trump @ Iraq War: I said I don't know. Maybe. Who knows.
posted by curious nu at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Has anyone called Hannity? He's so shy!
posted by ian1977 at 7:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Donald is also Hannity's yenta.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This fucking denial of supporting the Iraq war is pissing me off too much.
posted by palindromic at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016


Lester Holt holds Trump in contempt. He's trying to hide it and is being as fair as he can, but it's clear. He holds Trump in contempt.
posted by Justinian at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hillary is giggling as Trump keeps flailing around about Sean Hannity and it is pretty great.
posted by winna at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Sean Hannity: Fact checker.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


You could hear people laughing when he said he has a better temperament.
posted by girlmightlive at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [37 favorites]


Trump: I have a winning temperament, I know how to win, she doesn't...
posted by palindromic at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016


Holt's letting Trump steamroll the debate.
posted by dirigibleman at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Now it's the Temperament Movement
posted by ian1977 at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I have a much better temperament than she does"

LOL! Up is down!
posted by triggerfinger at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm having Trump hors d'oeuvres: baloney and cheese on Ritz crackers.

And tea. Because this is definitely a situation that calls for tea.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"This club has EVERYTHING. Nestled in a cozy section of Florida, it has 6' oil portraits of Donald Trump, enough gold plate to see your reflection everywhere, people from all over the world making crap wages, and a 400 pound man on a bed upon mobile bedposts...that's when a midget is clad in the faux-wood grain seen in older station wagons and they move together to the rhythm of the ocean waves." /Stefon
posted by sara is disenchanted at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [31 favorites]


I have much better temperament!
*ROOM LAUGHS AT HIM*
Wait!
posted by leotrotsky at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [45 favorites]


Trump shooting himself in the foot.
posted by glhaynes at 7:22 PM on September 26, 2016


He doesn't even know that post-'Phew!' laughter was against him.
posted by palindromic at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


DJT: "I HAVE A WINNING TEMPERAMENT!" *stomps feet turns blue*
posted by Westringia F. at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Republican Twitter is calling it for Hillary. Trump is not playing well even with people who already are predisposed to hate Clinton.
posted by corb at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [79 favorites]


"I have a much better temperament."

*Audience howls with laughter*.
posted by zardoz at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


There was a blue screen, and she was out of control, and the AFL CIO, and it was crazy! Anyway I'm friends with an admiral
posted by Greg Nog at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [69 favorites]


He's on about his temperament.
She is going to rip out his spine and nail it on the wall.
posted by phunniemee at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh my god, audible laughter when Trump said he has a better temperament than Hillary.
posted by yasaman at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


This might be the first presidential debate where one candidate just answers "I can't even."
posted by AndrewInDC at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Why are they not cutting his mic when he talks over Lester?

And WTF? I have much better judgment than her? WTF WTF WTF?
posted by instamatic at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"behind the blue screen i don't know who you was talking to secretary clinton but you were totally out of control!!!"

wtf???
posted by acidic at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton "Wheew! O.K.!"

Fucking Golden.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [53 favorites]


Oooo a little rebellion in the Trump ranks. He is taking on Lester on whether or not he was for the war with Iraq. He is blathering. Just talking over Lester Holt and telling some story about Sean Hannity calling him yesterday and saying "You were against the war." Well that is settled then. Sean Hannity is the last authority.


Oh Wow. "I have a better temperament than Secretary Clinton. I know how to win." What the hell does winning have to do with temperament?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016


Lester, you took a while to warm up, but you're all right. I am, unfortunately, seriously concerned for your safety and your job at this point though.
posted by zachlipton at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump: I also have a much better temperment than she has.

Clinton: [sunny, sunny smile]
posted by Gelatin at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [40 favorites]


Trump says he has a winning temperament. Why has no one told him this is not a winning statement.

Hillary responded with 'woo! okay!'
posted by winna at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I love the "whoo!" Hope it doesn't hurt her because she's a woman and joked
posted by Countess Elena at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Hillary looks like she's feeling confident.
posted by uosuaq at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


So I haven't seen the thread while the debate's been going on, but I just wanted to report in that I nearly choked on a sriracha pea when Trump called his temprament his best feature and far better than Hillary's.
posted by indubitable at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Trump in full-on garbage fire failure mode, now.
posted by joedan at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Donald, you were so close. You could have gone ahead and sealed the deal by calling her hysterical. Did somebody coach you not to say that? But you were SO CLOSE.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary: OK! *literally shimmies*
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


Whoo! yells Hillary. Fuck. Yes.
posted by zardoz at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


TEMPERMENT

She's been in his head since Sacremento
posted by EatTheWeak at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


My ears are tired of hearing him shout. I can't pay attention to what he's saying because it's just BLAH BLAH BLAH I AM LOUDER THAN YOU.
posted by INFJ at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


OMG "WOO, OKAY!" IS TOMORROW'S BIGGEST MEME
posted by entropicamericana at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


I love, love love her reaction to Trump's temperament comment - just waiting until her turn to speak, then smiling, letting his behavior speak for itself, and continuing with her message.
posted by samthemander at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Woo, okay!" - Clinton

Yes, that's exactly how I feel.

Oh yes, quoting NATO rules! I hope there are more foreign policy questions in the other two debates, so that she can show off her secretary of state bona fides.
posted by litera scripta manet at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


So basically the whole world just got a lesson in how women are continually mansplained by incompetent men who think they are the smartest person in the room.
posted by vuron at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [109 favorites]


That NATO 9/11 quip was pretty good
posted by rosswald at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


"Whew." Moment of the debate.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


He's getting pissed, that temperament remark was a really, really, really bad move. Hard to imagine worse timing. This is truly amazing.
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Someone has already created 400 Pound Hacker (@400poundhacker) on Twitter
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


serious, i need an animated gif of that. complete with the shoulder shimmy.
posted by entropicamericana at 7:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Thank you Hillary for setting the record straight on NATO and the only time they've invoked Article 5.
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


'I think my strongest asset, by far, is my temperament' says the guy who defended his penis size on national television
posted by beerperson at 7:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


His counter to Clinton bringing up the "blow up an Iranian ship" comment was "that would not start a war." Jesus Christ.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 7:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


He is being baited by Hillary saying he was easily taunted.
posted by winna at 7:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


So basically the whole world just got a lesson in how women are continually mansplained by incompetent men who think they are the smartest person in the room.

That's one of the best things that could come out of this. Let's hope it actually does. I'm not all that optimistic, sadly.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Re: nuclear war in Southeast Asia, Trump: "That's life."
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


To be clear, what I posted earlier about Trump's staff deleting the China climate change hoax tweet appears to have been a hoax. We regret the error. The tweet is still up so we can all revel in its wrongness, and his claim he never said it.
posted by zachlipton at 7:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump: Sinking an Iranian boat wouldn't start a war.

National security is not a good subject for him.
posted by Gelatin at 7:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Yes, thank you Hillary for bringing up the nuclear threat.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Geez is there still 30 minutes of this
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Re: nuclear war in Southeast Asia, Trump: "That's life."

Nukes Finds A Way
posted by Greg Nog at 7:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


'Your' president?

He's your president too you human scab.
posted by ian1977 at 7:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [64 favorites]




Clinton destroyed Trump in this debate. Anyone who supports him after seeing this is lost to all reason.
posted by Justinian at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [54 favorites]


Our president. Not your president.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yes nukes! Tweets! Arguing back and forth about whether ithat meme is accurate.
posted by instamatic at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016


Casual global warming slam.
posted by yellowbinder at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's losing his voice, or his mic is failing.
posted by vrakatar at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"...what your president thinks"

HE'S YOUR PRESIDENT, TOO.
posted by LynnDee at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump: I have much better temperament to her (crowd laughs) I saw a blue screen the other day where Secretary Clinton was talking to someone, I don't know who she was talking about but she was OUTTA CONTROL I was like who has that kind of temperament.

Lester: Secretary Clinton?

Clinton: Whoo! Okay! (crowd laughs) . . . sooooo . lets start with what NATO is . . . (smart explanation of what NATO has done for us and how political diplomacy works). Trump says he's going to blow up the Iranian sailors who are taunting us. That's not good judgement and not the right temperamant.

He doesn't care if other nations got nuclear weapons. It's been US Policy to do everything we could to reduce nuclear weapons. He said east asia was okay to get nukes (Trump" WRONG!") the east asian area is particularly troubleome. Shouldn't let a guy upset over tweets get the nuclear codes.
posted by petebest at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


His response to her well thought-out points is to call Germany and Japan freeloaders?
posted by Sangermaine at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's calling her "man who can be baited with a tweet" joke "a little old" ... REALLY? After calling up history from the 90s?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Team Hillary tweeted out the "not have his hands" line within 5 seconds of her saying it, so Tromp has a point about it being a well-worn line.
posted by sideshow at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016


There have been far too many times in the past hour I have yelled at the television "What the hell is he talking about? I lost it..."
posted by danapiper at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump to Japan: "This is a really nice country you've got here. Shame if something were to happen to it."
edit: fake
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


aw come on dude kate pierson and fred schneider arent that old
posted by Greg Nog at 7:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I like B-52s, asshole, they work just fine.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


'We're providing a tremendous service (NATO) and we're losing a fortune.'

Is there a single terrible gaffe he has made this election that he hasn't doubled down on in this debate?
posted by winna at 7:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


The Trump voters are pinning their hopes on people tuning out of the debate after the first 30 minutes.

When do we get post-debate polls? I really want a shift in those 538 numbers.

Actually what I really want is Johnson to get a post-debate bump of Trump votes fleeing, getting him into the debate, where he proceeds to use the attacks Clinton can't without looking shrill.
posted by corb at 7:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


He is literally making no sense whatsoever and slurring his words. What is happening?
posted by Westringia F. at 7:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump: "China should go into North Korea."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton is going to explain first use.
posted by maryr at 7:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit, what does he expect anyone to do about North Korea? There's nothing to be done in the current climate.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Anybody else want Clinton to simply say, "Donald, please tell us what Lester Holt means when he says that President Obama considered changing our first-use doctrine. I cede my time." and watch him implode.

I mean, she shouldn't do that but it would be hilarious.
posted by Justinian at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


I'm pretty sure he's now labeled four things the 'worst deal of all time.'
posted by palindromic at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


North Korea, we're doing nothing there! We should do nothing as China does something there?
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016


Ha! Lester Holt asked if Trump supports the current policy of first use of nuclear weapons.

He did not elaborate on what that policy is.

Trump responds with word salad.
posted by Gelatin at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


The way Trump uses "nuclear" as a free standing noun bugs the shit out of me. Not enough to start a nuclear, or alter our nuclear with Russia, or nuclear with Iran, but certainly enough to make me go ballistic.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


Saying you have the best temperament ever is a bit like saying you're the least racist person ever, it---

He did?

Well of course he did.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump doesn't know what our policy on first strike is.
posted by dirigibleman at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump says that China should go into North Korea.

I'm just going to let that lie there.
posted by winna at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump @ climate change: not the biggest threat "like your president thinks".

I feel like Trump is a character written by Sorkin's understudy.

This is so fucked up.
posted by curious nu at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Saudi Arabia is not actually a NATO member.
posted by zarq at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump clearly knows nothing about the nuclear posture.
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He is literally making no sense whatsoever and slurring his words. What is happening?

This jumbled word-salad is par for the course for Trump.
posted by joedan at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016


Trump apparently thinks B-52s are our latest bombers.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


He is literally making no sense whatsoever and slurring his words. What is happening?

He's decompensating
posted by nathan_teske at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


'China should go into North Korea.'

l o l
posted by Panthalassa at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Somewhere, right now, a single tear traces a lonely path down Fred Schneider's cheek.
posted by entropicamericana at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


If she doesn't hit him on B-52s saving money, she'll miss a huge opportunity.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016


I don't want a president that talks about deals.
posted by valkane at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016


WTF is he rambling about?
posted by zardoz at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


On the plus side, Trump has not said 'nucular.'
posted by palindromic at 7:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


The shoulder wiggle
posted by glhaynes at 7:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [59 favorites]


I can't tell which Trump remarks in quotations are real and which are jokes, c'mon guys!
posted by tetsuo at 7:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I look forward to the Buzzfeed listacle of all the worst deals America has ever made according to Trump.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 7:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


B-52s are the "sharks" of military death machines. Peak of evolution, no need to improve.
posted by sideshow at 7:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


International Relations Word Salad. I need to see this on the menu of a trendy restaurant this week.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: "This is one of the worst deals made in the history of the world."

I dunno. Chamberlain and appeasement have to be up there somewhere yes?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


People in best bar ever are actually outright shouting at the screen.

I know that the mods have been encouraging us to specify what we're talking about, but the thing is, they've been doing this for just about anything that Trump says because everything he said has turned out to need heckling.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Words matter. We have mutual defense treaties.

That's being a grown-up. Damn right.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


Everything Trump says is like World Leader fanfic.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


She's already president!
posted by valkane at 7:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump: Nuclear is very important but these countries aren't paying us. They're not paying us. Russia has a great military. Ours sucks. The Iran deal is horrible, why didn't you add things about Yemen, I asked Kerry about that.

400Million on cash, it was 1.7 billion in cash, i guess that was for hostages. It's the worst deal ever, all they have to do is get nuclear weapons. Netanyahu.

Clinton: Words matter when you run for president, and they really matter when you ARE president. I want to assure Japan and elsewhere that we have treaties and we will honor them. Many leaders are worried, I've talked with a number of them, but I want to tell them on behalf of myself and a moajority of the american people that our word is good.
posted by petebest at 7:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [83 favorites]


oh snap, she's speaking to and reassuring
the world as president elect. beautiful
posted by klarck at 7:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [99 favorites]


Oh this is beautiful. She brought up "Mutual Defense" to everyone but Trump. Straight to the camera. That's a sharp knife to his ego.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Is there a single terrible gaffe he has made this election that he hasn't doubled down on in this debate?

Well, none of the people who might vote for him will care about that, so why not?
posted by IAmUnaware at 7:31 PM on September 26, 2016


He is literally making no sense whatsoever and slurring his words. What is happening?

His cocktail of uppers is wearing down and he needs a booster snort.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I met with Bibi Netenyahu the other night and he is not a happy camper."
posted by Flashman at 7:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


the nuclear, the cyber

make america make
posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 7:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


Iranian deal: Trump won't say what he would do. Like his plan to defeat ISIS, he says his plan is secret but his only secret is that he has no plan!
posted by petebest at 7:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump thinks we should let China go into North Korea.

I'm glad that Secretary Clinton is now assuring our allies that we intend to honor our obligations but I'm still transfixed by that statement.
posted by winna at 7:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Bullies abroad or at home. Damn straight.
posted by ian1977 at 7:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Please God let her end on this world leadership note.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump's statements are like watching two kids in a trenchcoat sneak onto a debate stage and pretend they have something important to say. So precocious!
posted by teponaztli at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I definitely think the media is going to say she lost at least one no matter what happens, and I'd prefer it be this one. But she's wiping the floor with him.
posted by zutalors! at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clinton's message to America's allies was a beautifully well played hand. Just exquisite.
posted by dazed_one at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Yes, the world is watching what happens. Glad to see her mention it and try to reassure people.
posted by kanata at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"The only secret is he has no plan!"

YES the truest thing that was said all night.

She is ending on a great note.

But ugh, why is Lester letting Trump close out every segment? Ugh, Lester, just stop. Someone, for the love of god, please cut his mic.
posted by litera scripta manet at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ok, I've had restraint so far tonight. Not yelled at the screen once. Saying the US is falling behind in military technology to fucking Russia was what finally set me off.
posted by honestcoyote at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Wait, he just encouraged China to invade Korea? Seriously?
posted by octothorpe at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Man. I just don't think this is what those guys had in mind when they wrote the Constitution.
posted by something something at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Stand up to bullies, abroad or at home."
posted by leotrotsky at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


How is Holt allowing him to bully this much talking time? He's not even saying anything
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Come on Lester. Little backbone please.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Bullies abroad .... or at home."
Nailed it.
posted by Gotanda at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




I would like him to describe paying countries as 'tributes' and America as 'the empire' so we can cut through the bullshit.
posted by palindromic at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Japan, we're not going to protect you unless Carrier air conditioning returns to Cleveland.
posted by AndrewInDC at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


So anyone with a grip on world affairs clearly will vote for Clinton. The problem is all those other voters.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]



This is like watching two kids in a trenchcoat sneak onto a debate stage and pretend they have something important to say. So precocious!


That's not very nice to two kids in a trenchcoat.
posted by zutalors! at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


"words matter." Jerry gets a shoutout!
posted by mwhybark at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016


I really look forward to the spin from the Trump side. I'm a huge fan of creativity.
posted by uosuaq at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


And saying that he will be quick has never been proven so why is the moderator letting him go on and on after his 10 seconds. Why don't they mute the mikes?
posted by kanata at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016


HE IS ASKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL LOOK OMG
posted by palindromic at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fuck you, Trump. Telling China to go into North Korea...

And South Korea spends over 500 million yearly for the common defense.
posted by qcubed at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Man. I just don't think this is what those guys had in mind when they wrote the Constitution.

yeah there's a black guy asking questions
posted by Greg Nog at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [60 favorites]


I cannot believe he's doubling down on only defending Japan if they pay us. I think that's one of the most unbelievable things to ever be said in the history of a presidential debate.
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


'We're providing a tremendous service (NATO) and we're losing a fortune.'

Not watching, so idk if this has been pointed out: as far as I know, the only time NATO's mutual defense clause was ever formally invoked was on OUR behalf after 9/11. On that basis, WE'RE the ones who owe something to the rest of NATO.

Have I said fuck Donald Trump already?
posted by scaryblackdeath at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Lester challenging Trump on his comments about Clinton not having "a Presidential look."

Man, I'm so sorry I ever doubted you.
posted by zachlipton at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


How much does 1.7 billion in cash weigh, Donald? You've got tremendous amazing business skills, you should know that off the top of your head.
posted by XMLicious at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016


Did he just channel Carl Sagan?

"BEELYUNS AND BEELYUNS"
posted by entropicamericana at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016


Trump: Hillary wants you to go to the website to read about how to defeat ISIS but she started ISIS. And as for Japan, I want to help them but we're losing billions and billions of dollars. She doesn't ahve basic ability. All of the things she could take care of could have been fixed in the last ten years.
posted by petebest at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holt: "Mr. Trump, why do you hate women?"
posted by leotrotsky at 7:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


But ugh, why is Lester letting Trump close out every segment? Ugh, Lester, just stop. Someone, for the love of god, please cut his mic.

Watch this dynamic at your job. It happens all the time when women are in meetings.
posted by winna at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [68 favorites]


Stamina! I could do deals allllllll night long. Amazing all night stamina deals.
posted by ian1977 at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


But ugh, why is Lester letting Trump close out every segment?

Honestly, at the beginning it became clear that Trump was going to try to butt in with the last word no matter what, so letting him hang himself seems like a decent resolution.
posted by AndrewInDC at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


He seems to think she was Secretary of State for ten years because she did nothing about ISIS for ten years. Or her whole life.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"To be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina."

Please stop.
posted by Rangi at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016


"I don't believe she has the stamina," Trump says, while Clinton smiles radiantly.
posted by mochapickle at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


Clear demonstration of his racism, temper, ineptitude and misogyny. Slam dunk for Hillary.
posted by arcticseal at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


She oughta mention how she doesn't have to sleep on her own damn property every night
posted by Countess Elena at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Stamina? This MUST be the even.
posted by porpoise at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


The audience just went all Apollo Theatre at the '11 hours of testimony' stamina line.
posted by palindromic at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


The crowd really needs to stay quiet as agreed.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"...then he can talk to be about stamina."
*WILD APPLAUSE FROM AUDIENCE*
posted by leotrotsky at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Not watching, so idk if this has been pointed out: as far as I know, the only time NATO's mutual defense clause was ever invoked was on OUR behalf after 9/11. On that basis, WE'RE the ones who owe something to the rest of NATO.

Clinton actually responded with this.
posted by XMLicious at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Lester, stick up for yourself. Asshole.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Lester: You said she doesn't look presidential,

Trump: She doesn't have the stamina.

Clinton: when he travels to 112 countries and negotiates peace deals or spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee he can talk to me about stamina (crowd cheers)
posted by petebest at 7:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [133 favorites]


"How much are you proposing cutting the military, Donald?" [fake, she should say]
posted by Gelatin at 7:35 PM on September 26, 2016


They spent most of their campaign money putting Trump people in the crowd, as far as I can tell.
posted by koeselitz at 7:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh, he has lost the room HARD.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 7:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Secretary Clinton rolls out all of her accomplishments as Secretary and says that once he's done that he can talk about stamina.
posted by winna at 7:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Hillary seals the deal and wins my heart with the hours of congressional testimony stamina statement. I'm done.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


HRC: "This is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [40 favorites]


"She could've defeated ISIS by never having it get going in the first place" ...
"We cannot be the policemen of the world... when they're not paying us..."

He doesn't keep up on his Phil Ochs does he?

And he's back on "she doesn't have the stamina to be president" - "you have to be able to negotiate, with Japan, with Saudi Arabia... I don't believe Hilary has the stamina"

Hilary: As soon as he travels to 128 countries, negotiates peace deals, spends 11 hours in front of a congressional committee - he can talk about stamina.

Trump: Hilary has experience, but it's bad experience.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


while Clinton smiles radiantly

Because she saw him handing it to her, on a silver charger, white towel draped over his arm.
posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 7:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [21 favorites]


Yo but seriously, I think Trump does not understand his remarks have been recorded and videotaped for years.
posted by palindromic at 7:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


What the hell is wrong with the crowd cheering frantically when he ran her down. Why are they not kicking them out.
posted by winna at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"When he travels to 112 countries, he can talk to me about stamina."
posted by Snarl Furillo at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


It was their money!!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016


I definitely think the media is going to say she lost at least one no matter what happens, and I'd prefer it be this one. But she's wiping the floor with him.

There is a chance Trump will walk away from the other two debates, after the beating he's taken here. For sure he'll blame it on "that Democrat" Lester Holt and the "crooked media," with maybe a half dozen Jewish names thrown in for good measure.
posted by duffell at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


And, winna, yes she did.
posted by Gelatin at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016


> This jumbled word-salad is par for the course for Trump.

Yabut this seems worse somehow?

Wait, let's check....
M-x spook _

tempest SRI Crypto AG NWO military $400 million in gold bullion MD4
Cocaine Sundevil FSF Lexis-Nexis Ron Brown Commecen number key Serbian
enigma ASLET bank Skipjack corporate security Dateline Soviet military
Merlin SHA Aladdin defense information warfare condor eavesdropping
Cocaine
_
Yep, emacs is making more sense.
posted by Westringia F. at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


yikes! Looks like he just lost Rosie O'Donnell's vote!
posted by Greg Nog at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


The audience is on her side.

Also: Rosie O'Donnell deserves it? WTF
posted by palindromic at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


"Hillary's be hitting me with tremendous commercials."

Holy Shit, I agree with Trump.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Clinton: this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs, and dog, and someone who has said pregancy is an inconveneice to employers, who said women shouldn't get paid as much as men. He called a beauty contest woman "Miss PIggy" and then "a housekeeper" because she's latina and she just became a US Citizen and she's going to vote in this election (cheers)
posted by petebest at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [67 favorites]


"You need stamina. Tremendous stamina, the best stamina. And I guarantee you there's no problem there. There's no problem."
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


They cheered for his "bad experience" thing, I dunno if he lost the room
posted by Countess Elena at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: She's not being nice to me
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Not sure those 11 hours were her finest hour though....
posted by cacofonie at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016


YES HILLARY calling him out on his horrific misogyny! Thank you! Oh wow, she really nailed him on the beauty pageant thing.

Best moment of the night. Thank you, Secretary Clinton! Thank you!
posted by litera scripta manet at 7:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


His... his defense is that he... WANTED to say mean things about Hillary... but didn't?

Give the man a medal.
posted by koeselitz at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [34 favorites]


woah, good for you donald, taking the high road. so honorable.
posted by Glibpaxman at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well, you know, as long as she's nice about it.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Rosie O'Donnell deserves it! okay?
posted by Tarumba at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


LESTER, HOW LONG IS 10 SECONDS IN YOUR WORLD?
posted by leotrotsky at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


They've lost control of the crowd altogether because they just cheered for a slam Clinton made about his views of women.
posted by winna at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I am so angry at Lester Holt. This is not even remotely moderating. This is...nothing.
posted by curious nu at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


I was that kid in high school who didn't read the book before writing the book report, and this is exactly what Trump sounds like. "Holden Callfield thinks rye is important, because rye is a very important grain, and I think rye bread is very important for all of us and Holden Callfield knows that."

F- See me after class, Donald
posted by teponaztli at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [96 favorites]


He's patting himself on the back for restraining himself from saying something terrible about her family? Is this even real
posted by triggerfinger at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


Clinton's "Mirrors" ad about things Trump has said about women.
posted by fomhar at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump, in paraphrase: "I could have said worse things about her."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016


'It's not nice and I don't deserve it' is Trump projection par excellence.
posted by palindromic at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


There has been no more unconvincing sentence this whole night than "Mr. Trump, just ten seconds." Trump spends the next minute talking to Lester about how not-nice Clinton is for running ads and how implicitly amazing he is for not saying something very mean that he was going to say about the Clinton family.
posted by cortex at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Also Hillary wasn't nice :(
posted by Tarumba at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bring back Jim Lehrer to do the pre-debate audience scolding.
posted by roll truck roll at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump: "Hillary Clinton has been hitting me with tremendous commercials."

The first true thing Trump has said all night.
posted by cjelli at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]



Not sure those 11 hours were her finest hour though....


She got a lot of approval for that, maybe not from whoever you were listening to though.
posted by zutalors! at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


The state of America in 2016: "Will you accept the will of the voters?" is a perfectly reasonable question to ask in a Presidential debate.
posted by zachlipton at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [59 favorites]


Omg CUT HIS MIC when he ignores the moderation!
posted by instamatic at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


DT's victim complex is one of his most identifying features.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I was going to say something extremely rough to Hillary and her family, and I said to myself, I just can't do it."

So... congratulations, you have boundaries?
posted by Rangi at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Answer the fucking questions, Donald.
posted by zarq at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Lester had to actually ask the candidates if they will support the election outcome.

I do not want to live in the world of The Man in the High Castle.
posted by winna at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


So that's a "No" then, Mr. Trump?
posted by leotrotsky at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Will you except the results of this election?"

Oh god, Lester, what a stupid final question.

Actually, she did a good job answering it. And at least it helped someone fill in the "make America great again" bingo square...twice.
posted by litera scripta manet at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The crowd there is stacked for him, and he's good with crowds. Crowds don't ultimately mean much - there are more voters than would ever fit in a crowd - but I hope this crowd doesn't telegraph their excitement for Trump to the viewers at home.
posted by koeselitz at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2016


THAT'S ALL FOLKS
posted by Panthalassa at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think Trump does not understand his remarks have been recorded and videotaped for years.

Trump plays to the room; he really is oblivious to the wider audience. That's why he's arguing with the moderator - he thinks he's fighting against Hilary, and trying to beat the mod who's "supporting her." He can't grasp the idea that he's trying to persuade people he can't see and hear right now.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


What did Rosie O'Donnell do to him? I vaguely remember them snarking at each other over twitter.
posted by lovecrafty at 7:38 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: I could say something mean about Rosie O'Donnell but I wont' (???)

She's spent millions of negative ads on me, it's not nice.

Lester: one of you will not win, will you respect that

Clinton: I will support the democracy, and sometimes you win sometimes you lose, but the voters its up to you so I hope you get and vote as though your future depends on it and so it does

Trump: I want to make America great again. Maybe people press the wrong button, but these people we want to deport turn into becoming citizens. I want to MAGA, if Clinton wins I will absolutely support her.
posted by petebest at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's whining about negative ads? What a loser.
posted by Gelatin at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


At least he got to "If she wins I'll support her." Eventually.
posted by Justinian at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Will you respect the results of the election?

No, no, let me tell you how awful America is ONE LAST TIME.
posted by instamatic at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did the Lincoln Douglas debates mention shock jocks and comedians?
posted by any major dude at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


If that wasn't a win for Hillary I don't know what one looks like.
posted by craven_morhead at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [56 favorites]


For the record, his tie is way too long.
posted by palindromic at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


Whew made it out alive, chicken was yummy, smoke break outside refill woo!
posted by vrakatar at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"That concludes our debate for this evening."

Finally.
posted by Rangi at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holt: Will you accept the outcome of the election?
Trump: Rambles about making America great again.

But eventually says he would. So we will see.
posted by mochapickle at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016


Way to keep everyone in suspense about accepting the outcome, Donnie.
posted by charred husk at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Is there shouting from the crowd? What's going on?
posted by koeselitz at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016


"she doesn't have the stamina" YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S BEEN DRINKING WATER NONSTOP
posted by numaner at 7:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


So Hillary won! IMO
posted by Tarumba at 7:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


End of Debate. They shake hands, House lights come up, shaking hands with the moderator, supporters come up on stage, there's Bill, Chelsea, Don Jr. Ivanka.

Bill's working the crowd. Hehe.
posted by petebest at 7:40 PM on September 26, 2016


I think we can all come together, Trump supporters and Clinton supporters, and agree that everyone in that audience needs to shut the eff up.
posted by Deathalicious at 7:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


I really, really wish that Clinton had sweetly pointed out that "all my ads simply quote you directly. Interesting you think that they're mean."
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [90 favorites]


Oh Bill is there come on bubba punch donnie in the face FOR ME!
posted by vrakatar at 7:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump stands on stage and points to people. Clinton works the audience.
posted by zachlipton at 7:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Honestly, Lester's free rein worked against Trump.
posted by klarck at 7:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


Some Go Donald, We Love You action, followed by same for Hillary. Trump slow to get to the handshake with Lester. General gladhanding with families now.
posted by cortex at 7:40 PM on September 26, 2016


Chuck Todd: "This is the most abnormal event I have ever witnessed." Goes so far as to call it surreal.
posted by mochapickle at 7:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Clintons are shaking hands at the front row, Trumps are standing on stage waiving and walking offstage.
posted by petebest at 7:40 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I love how Hillary is going around and shaking hands while Trump just stands there on the stage.
posted by litera scripta manet at 7:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


I'm okay with how that went.
posted by uosuaq at 7:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]




Bloomberg seems to be calling it for Hillary but they are saying it like "He didn't do bad, not that bad." What are these people drinking???
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


They should do one debate in front of Arsenio Hall's 90s era audience.
posted by drezdn at 7:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Also: Clinton is up at the front of the stage talking to the audience and engaging them. Trump is in the background just waving. What's the logic behind that? Is there a strategy, or does he just not want to talk with them for some reason?
posted by Deathalicious at 7:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


"You could argue Hillary Clinton was overprepared, her opening statement had 15 policy proposals" -- oh no, she has policy proposals! Compared to Donald Trump, who was "incoherent". So, they both have flaws! /s
posted by Rangi at 7:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [50 favorites]


Crowds are moving to the front of the stage to shake hands with the Clintons. Trumps are offstage, presumably back in the limo.
posted by petebest at 7:41 PM on September 26, 2016


Hillary still working the crowd, Trump & family dashing as usual.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:41 PM on September 26, 2016


Did we just go the whole debate without talking about a wall or a Muslim ban?
posted by zachlipton at 7:41 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Thirsty Trump!

Why you so thirsty Donnie??!?!
posted by ian1977 at 7:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Where's the good post-debate commentary? I'm still on C-SPAN.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


And I turn back to the game just in time to watch the Pirates lose again. I hate you, 2016.
posted by dirigibleman at 7:42 PM on September 26, 2016


Bill Clinton is a completely next level schmoozer though it's hard to think of someone better at it than he is.
posted by vuron at 7:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Bloomberg commentators saying the best thing you can say about Trump's performance is that "the bottom did not drop out." The other: "I don't see how anybody could say Donald Trump made progress toward becoming President of the United States tonight."

And they just said he was out of his element! I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 7:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [26 favorites]


No Rachel Maddow, the first applause was not about emails. Get your shit together.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 7:42 PM on September 26, 2016


Hillary clearly won - but did Donald lose
posted by rosswald at 7:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did Trump leave already?
posted by maryr at 7:42 PM on September 26, 2016


Bill steps back to let Hillary get in there with the crowd.
posted by zutalors! at 7:42 PM on September 26, 2016


for the record: Donald and Rosie
posted by oneswellfoop at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2016


The cheering really makes it sound unprofessional. Like they just finished a swim meet or something.
posted by Deathalicious at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2016


Thumbs up from the Big Dog, and they're out, much to the relief of the secret service guys who were trying to get between them and the crowd
posted by petebest at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Brooks on PBS found the birther answer 'abysmal,' the looks answer 'terrible', etc.
posted by palindromic at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


What's the logic behind that? Is there a strategy, or does he just not want to talk with them for some reason?

There are rumors that he's a germaphobe.
posted by drezdn at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Chuck Todd: Clinton was arguably overprepared?!

He did go on to say there were times he didn't understand what Trump was saying.

Tom Brokaw said he doesn't think Trump appealed to anyone outside his base.
posted by Gelatin at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




David Brooks is saying Trump = bad, bad, terrible, abysmal
posted by melissasaurus at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Chris Matthews says she "cleaned his clock."
posted by prize bull octorok at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Tom Brokaw is on NBC is saying some crazy gibberish about "black-on-black crime" and my evens are all marked "can't sorry" and I don't know what to do.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


David Brooks, a Metafilter favorite! *cough*, just called the debate strongly for Clinton
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Phew!!
posted by carmicha at 7:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Chuck Todd: "This is the most abnormal event I have ever witnessed." Goes so far as to call it surreal.

I assume he's talking about Hilary being "overprepared".
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:44 PM on September 26, 2016


Whew. I promised myself I'd workout through that instead of drink and let the anger at Trump and the go get em from Clinton carry me through and boy howdy was that a good workout!

Dunno what the rest of America thinks, but Clinton, God bless her, looked into the abyss for the rest of us and came out okay.
posted by notyou at 7:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [52 favorites]


PBS just talking.
posted by vrakatar at 7:44 PM on September 26, 2016


Hillary's "Whoo" was her "saying what everyone's thinking" moment
posted by zutalors! at 7:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


That debate was everything I dreamed it would be. A++
posted by triggerfinger at 7:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


So how long until Trump declares he won the debate?
posted by adept256 at 7:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Honestly, I think on balance I'm okay with Holt's moderation. He gave Trump enough rope to hang himself, and some of those questions and fact checks were more hardball than I had expected.
posted by yasaman at 7:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [73 favorites]


The pundits on CNN agree with me that Trump's best and Clinton's weakest moments were in the 10-25 or so minute mark when he was going after her on trade and she seemed a bit rattled, and then for the remainer of the debate she crushed him.

I would like to say that just because CNN agrees with me does not necessarily mean I'm wrong. Even stopped clocks can be right twice a day.
posted by Justinian at 7:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Help I think I just developed a drinking problem
posted by numaner at 7:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


"Will you except the results of this election?"

Oh god, Lester, what a stupid final question.


Actually, it's a fantastic final question. Donald has just said point-blank in front of 100 million people that he'll accept the election results, and now Hillary can say "back in the first debate..."
posted by iffthen at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


Also: Clinton is up at the front of the stage talking to the audience and engaging them. Trump is in the background just waving. What's the logic behind that? Is there a strategy, or does he just not want to talk with them for some reason?

As I saw it:
Clinton stepped up first to shake Holt's hand, Trump saw that and sort of pivoted away, feigning disinterest. Holt sat back down, Clinton moved to the crowd. Trump then stepped up to thank Holt, who had to stand back up. Clinton was already in the crowd at that point.

Maybe he didn't want to been seen as following her lead. I don't know.
posted by cjelli at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


For anybody who understands what a debate is, that was an ass whipping, delivered to Trump, courtesy of Clinton.

Those who do not understand what a debate is were probably going to vote Trump anyway.
posted by Mooski at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [99 favorites]


> Also: Clinton is up at the front of the stage talking to the audience and engaging them. Trump is in the background just waving. What's the logic behind that? Is there a strategy, or does he just not want to talk with them for some reason?
posted by Deathalicious at 7:41 PM on September 26 [+] [!]


Whenever Trump has to interact with the public at close range, he has trouble suppressing his disgust.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Cnn declaring victory for Clinton in 80% of the time tonight.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


So, current odds on Trump bailing on debates two and three? Anyone? Anyone?
posted by lydhre at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


The Keepin it 1600 crew are declaring this definitely a Hillary win (and I trust that they'd be straight up if they really felt otherwise, they'd be bedwetting up one side of the room and down the other).
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Nobody's going to be talking about it tomorrow but the multiple mentions of Sidney Blumenthal, a guy basically nobody has heard of, was some real creepy breitbart crypto-antisemitism
posted by theodolite at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [55 favorites]


Nicole Wallace on Trump - "Indecipherable from a Saturday Night Live skit."
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Did the Lincoln Douglas debates mention shock jocks and comedians?

The Lincoln Douglas debates.
posted by mazola at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


He came unhinged. not very presidential. she didn't lose her composure, didn't look or sound pedantic. perhaps said "plan" too man times, but all in all she killed it.
posted by OHenryPacey at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I didn't watch anything but a few minutes and my wife said she had enough of Trump being Trump (not her words, but close enough).

So far, talking heads seem to be giving this to Hillary, laughing at Donald's wacky faces. But then Nicole Wallace keeps calling him "real" - BUT HE ISN'T! HE'S PLAYING A GAME!
posted by filthy light thief at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016


The image of the evening.
posted by Devonian at 7:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [41 favorites]


I think Trump being told he lost the debate guarantees he'll come back for the next one.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Bring me my phone and my cocaine!"
posted by Artw at 7:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


On Trump's "Law and Order" responses to issues of race -- "Maybe they weren't dog whistles, everyone could hear them" - YES, YES WE CAN HEAR THEM.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


NBC commentary is so far critical of Trump's performance, predicts people won't hold it against him.
posted by Gelatin at 7:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I kind of feel like I went to the gym twice today, and I'm not sure I even have the energy to watch the follow up coverage, but I can't help but think Trump failed to broaden his appeal in any meaningful way while probably costing himself some votes. How many of those 200 Air Force generals are going to stay on board about the beyond idiotic stuff he said about the B-52? Pretty much every time he spoke on foreign policy or military issues, I think he cost himself. The best that I think can be said is he didn't walk off the stage or anything extreme.
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Chris Matthews called a shutout for Clinton, comparing it to A Few Good Men: she was Tom Cruise and he was Jack Nicholson.
posted by ogooglebar at 7:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


If you are out of evens tonight you should skip the store and head straight to the odds cannery.
posted by Slackermagee at 7:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Boy howdy, that was insane
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


So anyone with a grip on world affairs clearly will vote for Clinton. The problem is all those other voters.

This was already the case before the debates, though. Nothing Trump has said on foreign policy or world affairs has made sense. I'm not even talking about whether or not I can agree with it; I mean it literally doesn't make sense. It's like he generated those sentences through Markov chaining.

To be perfectly honest, I don't really know what good can come from these debates. Nobody who's going to be convinced by facts or reality is voting for Trump anyway. Basically all that can happen here is that Clinton can screw up and lose support. Trump's supporters aren't reality-based and won't waver no matter what. Clinton hasn't screwed up tonight and everything is fine, but I really think the best case scenario here is that the debate has no effect at all. I'm sure that's the reason Trump showed up in the first place.
posted by IAmUnaware at 7:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Well, it's true - people who support Trump seem to hold little against him.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


This race isn't a dead heat. Dammit, Bob, I used to like you.
posted by Sphinx at 7:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well, my dad has started emulating Trump's steamrolling and interruption tactics despite being a staunch democrat. He started talking to my mom like Trump has been negging Hilary and I lost it. We fought for half an hour, and I won't lie. I screamed at him a few times. I can't stand how Trump interacts with other people. It is so demoralizing to hear; it must be even worse to actually be the brunt of it. That Hilary can withstand him makes her a god. I couldn't. I can't. I just hope she prevails come Election Day so maybe Trump will stop getting air time for a good long while.

Don't let him get to you, Madame President. Please.
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [100 favorites]


Nobody's going to be talking about it tomorrow but the multiple mentions of Sidney Blumenthal, a guy basically nobody has heard of, was some real creepy breitbart crypto-antisemitism

I totally noticed this too.
posted by escabeche at 7:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Lester did an OK job. He reminded the audience that Donald completely ignored the facts in his questions, and from my experience arguing with small children if he had pushed it more there'd be no time for Hillary to speak because it would all "uh-hah" "nuh-uh" "uh-hah" "nuh-uh" between him and Donald.
posted by ckape at 7:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


I'm not sure what Trump thinks the president can and can't do. I mean Hillary hasn't been dictator of the United States or anything. Obama, herself, the Democrats themselves have always had to deal with Republican obstructionism for progress. One of the things she can't use as ammo is the actions of Congressional Republicans specifically because he's not part of that group.
posted by Talez at 7:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Reminder listening to NPR tomorrow morning might cause you to see red with rage
posted by vuron at 7:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [18 favorites]


Steve Schmidt: Trump was "somewhere between incoherence and babble."
posted by carmicha at 7:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think Trump being told he lost the debate guarantees he'll come back for the next one.


lol like anyone who works with him would tell him that.
posted by The World Famous at 7:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


that performance was worth a donation to the campaign
posted by localhuman at 7:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


So again, I want to emphasize, I saw the debate coverage, it was the best debate coverage, but I have not read this thread yet.

But in some way, I was not expecting it to be as gross as it really was. I was not prepared for it. I knew intellectually that the people that said, "This will be a loud asshole talking over a woman," were right, but somehow it hadn't sunk in. And then I watched. And it was. Between outright yelling over her and punctuating her speech with childish little "wrong!"s and "nope!"s and Clinton's great little zinger about how he likes to "hang around" beauty pageants, I can't imagine any woman in America voting for that clown.

And now I'm going to have another drink and try to erase Trump's speech patterns from my mind.
posted by indubitable at 7:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


To be perfectly honest, I don't really know what good can come from these debates. Nobody who's going to be convinced by facts or reality is voting for Trump anyway.

The way Clinton wins is not by winning over Trump voters. It is by solidifying her own support and getting just 2-3% of those folks voting for Johnson back.
posted by Justinian at 7:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [91 favorites]


Hannity is interviewing Trump and God I feel sick. Why did I look?
posted by charred husk at 7:49 PM on September 26, 2016


Actually, it's a fantastic final question. Donald has just said point-blank in front of 100 million people that he'll accept the election results, and now Hillary can say "back in the first debate..."

You're totally right. That actually is a pretty clever move. I take back this one particular criticism of Lester Holt (but not any of the others).
posted by litera scripta manet at 7:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


The PBHT (petebest Hot Take) is: She's a pro, he's a doofus, and he didn't do completely horribly. So yeah maybe he won not sputtering into a gelatinous blob.

But yeah, she got it done. Prepared, cool, got in some uppercuts. Trumps biggest soundbites aren't in his favor. The one's that don't work against him directly were essentially him saying "nuh uh".
posted by petebest at 7:49 PM on September 26, 2016


David Brooks on PBS: "if what they needed to do was to make me feel better about the country they failed"

OMG STFU you NYT windbag

Sorry I'm legit drunk

But he did say "it's a Clinton night"so I won't piss on his grave
posted by numaner at 7:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Ted Cruz should have waited until after this debate to endorse Trump.
posted by Gelatin at 7:49 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


Re: Trump and hand-shaking - not gonna happen; he's a germaphobe who doesn't even like touching elevator buttons that other people have pressed.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hannity just called out Trump to his face for calling Hannity wrong several times live on Fox News. Holy shit this night is amazing.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 7:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [42 favorites]


The way Clinton wins is not by winning over Trump voters

If she can humiliate him convincingly enough on the debate stage, a certain segment of his more reluctant supporters may not turn out.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


so trump is actually like the larry david bernie sanders impression?
posted by vuron at 7:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I really do picture Trump trying to squirm out of the following debates now. Biased media, fixed, rigged, they expected me to say things for over an hour, etc. etc.
posted by uosuaq at 7:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


But he did say "it's a Clinton night"so I won't piss on his grave

Move over.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Maddow on Trump: "That's a person who you would ask if they were on their medication if you saw them on a plane and they started misbehaving to the flight attendant."
posted by zachlipton at 7:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [34 favorites]




PBS pundit talking about donnie's "it makes me smart" comment about taxes, perhaps this is a romney type soundbite.
posted by vrakatar at 7:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]






Katy Tur said Trump failed be the "presidential Donald Trump" the campaign was hoping for.
posted by Gelatin at 7:52 PM on September 26, 2016


Oh my god PBS' floor reporter can't get anyone to talk to him.
posted by AndrewInDC at 7:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


"I assure you that @realDonaldTrump will be better prepared at the next debate. " Giuliani.

Parody account.
posted by chris24 at 7:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I feel like I'm trapped in a Space Moose comic.
posted by i_have_a_computer at 7:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Man, CSPAN is always your best bet for great entertaining phone calls.
posted by Deathalicious at 7:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


I feel like being incoherent in a presidential debate should work against him, but what do I know.
posted by diogenes at 7:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Nate Silver 10:42 PM - My editor tells me that readers want my subjective impressions of the debate, knowing full well that they’re subjective. And my impressions are that Clinton became a more plausible president tonight and Trump became a less plausible one.
posted by Justinian at 7:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [35 favorites]


I don't understand. Trump is in the spin room spinning his own debate. This is why you have surrogates. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
posted by zachlipton at 7:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [38 favorites]


Wow when Guiliani is basically admitting Trump did awful you know it can't get much worse
posted by vuron at 7:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


yeah, his closing statement was about immigrants being naturalized and affecting the election unfairly. Expect to see that brought up if he loses.
posted by lkc at 7:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


So apparently Howard Dean accused Trump of using cocaine.
posted by TwoStride at 7:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


Maybe Trump can't afford campaign surrogates zach
posted by vuron at 7:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


You can afford anyone if you don't plan to ever pay them.
posted by Elementary Penguin at 7:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


It's possible he failed to pay his surrogates so they didn't show up. [fake, I hope]
posted by zachlipton at 7:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Guiliani did no such thing, it's a fake twitter account
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Talking to the press, Trump denied saying not paying taxes was smart.
posted by Gelatin at 7:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


Oh my god PBS' floor reporter can't get anyone to talk to him.
Trump supporters, in summary from PBS' floor reporter: Clinton is a career politician, and it's due to her we're having "these problems"
Yes, those problems Trump keeps talking about that others don't quite see. Because they don't exist as he says they do.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:55 PM on September 26, 2016


Wow when Guiliani is basically admitting Trump did awful you know it can't get much worse

That's not actually Giuliani. It's a comedy parody account (says so right in the Twitter bio).
posted by IAmUnaware at 7:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ugh, all I want in life is to watch the Keeping t 1600 coverage while I give the kid his feed, and I cannot gets working link to save my life. If it doesn't end up in the podcast stream, I'm gonna be so annoyed.
posted by joyceanmachine at 7:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's more likely that he takes amphetamines to keep himself going, than cocaine. But who knows.
posted by dis_integration at 7:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Former Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle just took down Trump's weird birther story that mentioned her by name live on CNN. Says she fired the campaign coordinator who forwarded an email promoting the birther controversy. And now they're asking him about it on live TV. He dodges, of course. "Hilary failed."
posted by Mothlight at 7:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


mara eliason on npr saying that he had a really low bar coming in, and he failed to even hurdle that.
posted by localhuman at 7:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [47 favorites]


David Brooks, a Metafilter favorite! *cough*, just called the debate strongly for Clinton

On Twitter David Frum (neocon) said that HRC blew it. But he buggered off an hour or so ago to write his column for deadline, so he missed the whole thing. But it was pretty boring after they stopped yelling at each other.

Josh Barro (free market liberal/libertarian) thought that Clinton was boring and probably didn't connect with anyone outside her base.

I thought HRC did well. I haven't seen much of her, and haven't seen her ads (as a Canadian I probably resemble the average clued-out swing voter), and rely disliked her neocon foreign policy going into the debates. Based on her performance tonight, where I got to know her, I would vote for her (if I could vote in US elections).
posted by My Dad at 7:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


NBC Reporter: You seemed to say that you hadn't paid federal income tax, and that was smart. Is that what you meant to say?
Trump: I never said anything like that.

Hilary doesn't have to write ads about Trump; she just has to edit the public footage.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [61 favorites]


I need a CNN snap poll of who won the debate STAT. They better be on the phones as we speak.
posted by Justinian at 7:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Nate Silver 10:42 PM - My editor tells me

I Think Nate Silver Is Broken, Maybe?
posted by tonycpsu at 7:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Says she called David Plouffe immediately to apologize. Says Blumenthal never worked for the campaign.
posted by Mothlight at 7:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Am I the only one who think Hillary's performance was tepid? She had few policy specifics and failed to really hammer Trump when he gave his usual broad strokes--just a jab here and there. I think Donald generated the better sound bites (mostly early), and he managed to not sound crazy pants for at least 45 minutes out of the 90.

Ultimately, I don't think Clinton did much to really convince anyone who wasn't already on board. She didn't stick hard enough with the two things people have the biggest issue with: trust and the economy.
posted by Room 101 at 7:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump IS Space Moose.
posted by Yowser at 7:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


So how long until Trump declares he won the debate?

Just went downstairs to get some more cheeze and heard him on the parents tv 'Hillary failed, she failed, blah blah fail' and I ran back upstairs with my cheese.
posted by Jalliah at 7:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


I'm amusing myself as my pulse comes down by looking at all the interesting euphemisms for victory I'm seeing in my feeds. I think I like "killed him cooked him motherfucking ate him" best.
posted by Mooski at 7:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


Trump is live on Bloomberg right now saying how he should've hit her with Bill's life stuff. Holy crap. That's nuts.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


"Undecided" voter called in to CSPAN talking about how Trump was "sniffing all the time" and "yelling all the time" and unable to focus on what the subjects of the questions were, and having self-centered answers. Crossing my fingers that this is the typical reaction.
posted by zennie at 7:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [68 favorites]


I was actually doing fine until the PBS commentator grimly said he wasn't feeling very good about the future of the country.

Now I'm dead. I'm dead and so angry I'm still posting.
posted by Lyn Never at 7:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump is now spinning that he's glad he didn't bring up Bill's transgressions because Chelsea was in the room, but he wanted to bring it up.
posted by zachlipton at 7:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


He knows he got worked.

Good and hard.
posted by notyou at 7:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I spent all this time in Chat, and now I have hundreds of juicy comments to read. Win/win, except for my productivity.

I feel SO much better, y'all. I thought Clinton was clear and smart and optimistic and steady as hell, and she absolutely nailed him on his weaknesses. He was an angry, rambling, immature mess.

So far the hot take seems to be that she won this easily. I can't see any other way to spin what happened there tonight.
posted by Salieri at 7:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


The insta-memes on my Facebook feed are Clinton and her "I prepared to be president" quote, and Clinton juxtaposed with the guy from Airplane sniffing glue.
posted by Gelatin at 7:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Oh and apparently it's unusual for candidates to go into the spin room and talk with the press. I didn't know that. Maybe Trump doesn't know that? Either way, not surprising that he'd do it.
posted by Deathalicious at 7:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh hey. Next up is Kaine-Pence!

Can't wait!
posted by notyou at 8:00 PM on September 26, 2016


I want to make two final points for people coming here later. I said earlier in the thread that Trump sniffing and looking sick had echoes of Richard Nixon's TV debate with JFK, where Nixon came off looking uncomfortable, but also that Hillary's condescending smiles had echoes of Al Gore sighing when debating GWB in 2000. At the close of the debate this clearly tipped one way, namely in Clinton's favour. (One bad bit was when Clinton says Trump doesn't have the temperament to be anywhere near the nuclear arsenal, and Trump responds (essentially) "sure I do" THEN SNIFFS. Yeah pass the football, call SecDef and break out the coke! Time to have a party in South-East Asia!)

Also, I suspect "looks Presidential" is still a factor that matters to people who aren't part of the alt-right, or aren't dealing with "they stole our jobs" disenfranchisement. Clinton nailed looking Presidential, except for a period of about 10-15 mins earlier on. Trump didn't. My die-hard GOP-supporting family members in the US have already decided to do a write-in vote, but if they were still on the fence at all I imagine this would have swayed them away from Trump.
posted by iffthen at 8:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Actually, it's a fantastic final question. Donald has just said point-blank in front of 100 million people that he'll accept the election results

Except he didn't. He said "I will support her." That isn't the same as that he'll accept the results - there's a lot of wiggle room there ("I support her until the commission finds that this is totally fraudulent" / "If it turns out this is not rigged, I support her," etc.)
posted by Mchelly at 8:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


"sniffing all the time" MUST be the Meme of the night. It's not dank, it's snotty.
posted by oneswellfoop at 8:01 PM on September 26, 2016


You know what I want to see in a debate? A moderator who's queued up video clips of what each candidate has actually said, so when they cite prior statements in a question, if someone says "I never said that" they can just call out "Play the tape" and have inarguable evidence on a giant screen. Of course it would come across as incredibly biased, since one candidate is known for denying the past and one isn't, but it would be very satisfying.
posted by Rangi at 8:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [54 favorites]


Oh and apparently it's unusual for candidates to go into the spin room and talk with the press. I didn't know that. Maybe Trump doesn't know that? Either way, not surprising that he'd do it.

I believe you're mistaken: that's not Trump giving the interviews, that's noted publicist John Baron. [fake]
posted by cjelli at 8:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


Conway said he was Babe Ruth, but...

There is no joy in Mar-A-Lago. Mighty Trump has struck out.
posted by chris24 at 8:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I've decided long ago that listening to trump speak for any length of time makes my head want to fucking explode, but it's good to see that the consensus is that Clinton wiped the fucking floor with his garbage body.
posted by codacorolla at 8:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


donald trump: I didn't say that

the internet:
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


Hillary was not only prepared, she was prepared for what Donald was likely to do and she hit him with the full-on persuasion jujitsu while still keeping her own focus on actual talking points. I doubt it ever occurred to him what someone with a large budget and the ability to call the people who trained him in his sales skills could do to him. Everything he's ever done has been junior league compared to this.
posted by Bringer Tom at 8:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


I went straight to "watch the debate" mode after the Triumph of the Red Dress. I'll catch up... really.
Meanwhile, thanks for the forum. Delaying until an hour before the debate has made it much easier to parse, with less than 100 posts before the candidates took the stage.
See you at 2016 Presidential Debate Two.
posted by TrishaU at 8:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


waitingtoderail: Nicole Wallace on Trump - "Indecipherable from a Saturday Night Live skit."

Clarification: she was talking about Trump's expressions, not all of Trump's debate (as far as I could tell).
posted by filthy light thief at 8:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Especially towards the end, Trump appeared to be channelling Chris Farley in the "van down by the river" sketch.
posted by sevenyearlurk at 8:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Well, someone I know who I thought might be a stealth Trump supporter is posting on Facebook making fun of him, so that's something.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 8:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


The sniffing was incredibly apparent when I was in the car listening to the debate on NPR. Less so when I got home and turned the TV on. On the radio he was sniff central. He sounded kind of out of breath, like an overweight 70 year old who never exercises and eats nothing but fastfood might sound. But I digress. Stamina. It's important.
posted by dis_integration at 8:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


MSNBC is basically saying Trump's performance was total garbage.
posted by zutalors! at 8:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ha! Ha! A major political party is running, as their presidential candidate, the guy who follows you out to the parking lot to start a fight because you quietly reminded him that he was at the front of the line while he was talking loudly on his cell phone

What a silly, hilarious state for reality to be in!
posted by DoctorFedora at 8:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


Am I the only one who think Hillary's performance was tepid? She had few policy specifics and failed to really hammer Trump when he gave his usual broad strokes--just a jab here and there. I think Donald generated the better sound bites (mostly early), and he managed to not sound crazy pants for at least 45 minutes out of the 90.

Yep only one
posted by craven_morhead at 8:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [47 favorites]


Clarification: she was talking about Trump's expressions, not all of Trump's debate (as far as I could tell).

Yes, sorry I didn't make that clear.
posted by waitingtoderail at 8:04 PM on September 26, 2016


I don't think Clinton did much to really convince anyone who wasn't already on board.
So, after she won the nomination I was always planning on voting for her, because my problem with her is really that she is not progressive enough for me, and she's better than the alternative (obviously). But I donated money to her during the debate and am now all in. I'm legitimately convinced. I suspect there are people who began watching more lukewarm than I that are now mostly or entirely in for her after that performance.
posted by sockermom at 8:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [49 favorites]




Hillary's body double really brought her A-game tonight.
posted by asteria at 8:04 PM on September 26, 2016 [58 favorites]


Actually, it's a fantastic final question. Donald has just said point-blank in front of 100 million people that he'll accept the election results

Except he didn't. He said "I will support her." That isn't the same as that he'll accept the results


That, and also that Holt had to press him by asking a second time to even get that. Not that Trump has ever been bound by anything he's said previously, but I took that as a clear sign that he's appealing to the idea that the election will be rigged -- whether that's merely to drive turnout on his part, and suppress voting on Clinton's part, or whether that's actually a claim he'll make in November after the election, we'll see. But by comparison, just look at how he handled the birther question yet again in this very debate: he didn't answer it. I would bet, come November, he gives some wishy-washy concession about 'needing to move forward despite the obvious fraud' or something along those lines; something to preserve the idea that he won, and to undermine Clinton, without actually doing the work to contest the election.
posted by cjelli at 8:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


One interesting thing I noticed was that Trump could not resist the urge to interject with a bunch of "that's not true" statements. That's really going to run up the count on the fact checking, since he made so many such assertions.
posted by zachlipton at 8:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I really hope the Clinton team puts out an "I never said that" themed ad that's not just "look at all the stuff he's lied about!" but goes farther and says "what do you think he'll say once he's in office?"

"We'll cut your taxes so much, folks." "I never said that."
"I've got a plan to defeat ISIS." "I never said that."
etc.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


Am I the only one who think Hillary's performance was tepid?

Not tepid, but she missed some easy pitches. Like when he went to super predators and she failed to mention his campaign against the Central Park Five.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 8:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Feed Brit Hume to the ice giants.
posted by Slackermagee at 8:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Oh hey. Next up is Kaine-Pence!

I can barely imagine a normal political debate at this point.
posted by AndrewInDC at 8:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Wow oh wow chris24

This isn't the 50s anymore people
posted by vuron at 8:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




chris24: On @FoxNews, Brit Hume just complained that Clinton looked "composed, smug, not necessarily attractive."

True, Yes, and that's an unnecessary (and very personal) statement to make about anyone.

So, how hot was Trump, right? Like molten lava...
posted by filthy light thief at 8:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Am I the only one who think Hillary's performance was tepid?

The main critique I had was that she let Trump of the hook on too many crazy statements. But that was partially there moderators fault. Does anyone know how the airtime was split?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 8:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary Clinton looked like a great President of the United States. Donald Trump looked like a guy living in a Van Down By the River.
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 8:06 PM on September 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


It seemed to me - please correct me if I'm wrong - that when Trump didn't have an answer to a question or a criticism, he'd just brag about something he'd built. Apparently that's his comfort zone.
posted by ogooglebar at 8:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


I really only took the sniffing as breathing through his nose so that he could continue to talk; basically, a nasal version of this.
posted by bonje at 8:07 PM on September 26, 2016


Dear MSNBC,

Brian Fucking Williams questioning politicians about honesty and integrity is not a good look.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]


On the election result thing, he fielded a NBC question on it in the spin room too.
posted by craven_morhead at 8:07 PM on September 26, 2016


A dear friend of mine is a small government republican, I'm a big government FDR style democrat. We're both pretty socially liberal. We're both like, WTH did we just watch.
posted by joycehealy at 8:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




You know I'm happy that the sniffling thing is popping up everywhere I'm going. It's stoopid and petty but yeah some of the jokes are pretty funny and symbolic. I'm okay if this is debate is summed up with a whole bunch of Sniffling Trump meme thingys. And boy are there going to be some good sniffling gifs.
posted by Jalliah at 8:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


I was watching something else.

How'd the debate go?
posted by Smedleyman at 8:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Did Trump ever smile? Not a wily mean spirited i gotcha smile but a genuine smile?? I don't like someone that never smiles...
posted by robbyrobs at 8:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


It seemed to me - please correct me if I'm wrong - that when Trump didn't have an answer to a question or a criticism, he'd just brag about something he'd built. Apparently that's his comfort zone.

I noticed that the only way he seemed to relate to various American cities was by the property he owned there.
posted by AndrewInDC at 8:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [73 favorites]


Sorry I've been doing dishes since the debate ended, has the far right started saying that Clinton's goofy giggle was a micro-seizure yet?
posted by DynamiteToast at 8:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


oh good Chuck Todd is here on MSNBC
posted by zutalors! at 8:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey, that's offensive to Matt Foley.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


CheeseDigestsAll: Does anyone know how the airtime was split?

You mean, how was it supposed to be split, or how much time Trump took? If it's the latter, I think there'll be some good analysis tomorrow.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Chuck Todd: "He took the bait every single time she threw it out there."
posted by XMLicious at 8:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


The main critique I had was that she let Trump of the hook on too many crazy statements.

Yeah, but the fucker kept ranting on and on, and the moderator did nothing. How the hell is HRC, a woman, supposed to interrupt Trump? It's a lose-lose situation. And an unusual situation for a Presidential debate. How could you interrupt Adolf Hitler (also a pill-popper) while on a rant in the bunker in Berlin in May, 1945?
posted by My Dad at 8:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Breitbart: Five Times Lester Holt Shilled for Hillary Clinton at First Debate

I think this is the admission of defeat.
posted by chris24 at 8:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [44 favorites]


In reviewing Donald's discussion of "the cyber" is appears he is suggesting that he thinks that maybe his ten year old son Baron Trump weighs 400lbs and hacked the DNC while sitting on his bed.
posted by humanfont at 8:10 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Trump said about the bad thing he wouldn't say tonight because Chelsea was there, "I'll tell you maybe at the next debate." Shut up. You insane, babbling, rancid pile of cat diarrhea. The fact that he is even remotely competing with someone as brilliant as Clinton makes me want to go outside and scream. I've reached the point where I am telling people that I will never have anything to do with them as long as I live if they vote Trump. Tonight just reinforced my belief that I am correct in cutting ties with anyone who will support this buffoon. Life is too short.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 8:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [64 favorites]


I don't know how the airtime was split, but 538 had this infographic of interruptions.
posted by thefoxgod at 8:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


Jon Lovett on Keepin it 1600 is my spirit animal
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Time for a big whiskey time
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


It was really clear to me that Clinton that prepared for all the most likely things Trump would throw at her. Her rebuttals were very good, especially her delivery which is going to be picked over more than her words. I love how plain spoken she was- calling him a racist and saying flatout that he had lied.
posted by betsybetsy at 8:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


The main critique I had was that she let Trump of the hook on too many crazy statements.

I disagree. I think she struck a good balance between engaging and just acknowledging how out of control his bluster was without taking the bait.
posted by Shmuel510 at 8:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


I still feel like Hillary could have brought him some cookies, or fresh-cut flowers, at the beginning of the debate, though. I mean, there was a definite lack of respect for Trump there. He flew a long way to get to this and all you do is shake his hand?
posted by uosuaq at 8:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]




Congrats to the woman! You were twice as good, let's call it a draw!
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [185 favorites]


You know, I feel kind of silly for being stuck on this, but is admitting (twice) on a nationally televised platform to federal tax evasion not... you know... kind of a big deal? Like, ????? Is that not actually admitting to committing a federal crime? Like, a fuckup on a completely different level than suggesting 10 y/o Baron be in charge of internet security or overusing the word "tremendous"??? Can someone help me out here and explain why this isn't a huge thing?
posted by moonlight on vermont at 8:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [58 favorites]


Haha when Breitbart is having to call Holt a shill you know things went bad for the alt-right
posted by vuron at 8:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


On @FoxNews, Brit Hume just complained that Clinton looked "composed, smug, not necessarily attractive."

Is Brit Hume aware of the scandal enveloping his employer at the moment? Would Brit Hume pass the Turing Test? Will Clinton's campaign send him a nice fruit basket after the election? Will Brit Hume read this follow-up tweet?
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


There were times where her mask slipped, but I think she had an Oscars level performance for being humiliated into having to deal with a miserable man-child on a national stage.
posted by porpoise at 8:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


You know what I want to see in a debate? A moderator who's queued up video clips of what each candidate has actually said, so when they cite prior statements in a question, if someone says "I never said that" they can just call out "Play the tape" and have inarguable evidence on a giant screen. Of course it would come across as incredibly biased, since one candidate is known for denying the past and one isn't, but it would be very satisfying.

They did this at one point in the Democratic primary debate. They showed the tape of Bernie being asked about Cuba. I wonder why they can't do this for these debates.
posted by joedan at 8:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Checking the NPR fact checking page and I'm stupified about 2 steps in. First thing they have is a Clinton lie "That starts with raising the national minimum wage" with the denotation that is a lie because "The federal minimum wage has not been increased by Congress since 2009." Ummm, stating a starting point is not a fact to be checked and really, stating that it hasn't happened yet is not really pointing out a lie. Do they even know what a lie is?
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [61 favorites]


On @FoxNews, Brit Hume just complained that Clinton looked "composed, smug, not necessarily attractive."

In this comment, I complain that Brit Hume is on television.
posted by duffell at 8:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I worked at the winery tonight - it's Crush time - and got good and loaded. The husband wanted to listen to the debate on the hour-long drive home.

I made it through Madame Secretary's remarks, then begged the husband to please not make me suffer through the talking yam's beating. "But I'm curious!", he said.

"Look, just read the MetaFilter thread. Please don't make me suffer."

He changed the station.

Thank you, dear Metafiltrians, for helping me avoid torture. I owe you.
posted by MissySedai at 8:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


He's not admitting to tax evasion he's admitting to structuring his income as something other than what the IRS calls "income."
posted by craven_morhead at 8:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


How could you interrupt Adolf Hitler (also a pill-popper) while on a rant in the bunker in Berlin in May, 1945?

I am so looking for Downfall/Trump mashups on youtube right now.
posted by wilful at 8:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


Tax avoidance (which is legal) not evasion (which isn't). There's a third category, avoision, which keeps a lot of tax officials, accountants and lawyers in business.
posted by Devonian at 8:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


How could you interrupt Adolf Hitler (also a pill-popper) while on a rant in the bunker in Berlin in May, 1945?

Somebody please dub one of Trump's run-on sentences word strings over that clip of Hitler from Downfall.

(Edit: wilful and I think alike.)
posted by Rangi at 8:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Jerry Springer: "Hillary Clinton belongs in the White House. Donald Trump belongs on my show."
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [71 favorites]


Republican pollster Frank Luntz: Who won tonite's debate? In my focus group, 6 people said Trump and 16 said Clinton.
posted by joedan at 8:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


You know, I feel kind of silly for being stuck on this, but is admitting (twice) on a nationally televised platform to federal tax evasion not... you know... kind of a big deal?

I don't think he did. At most, he admitted to taking advantage of every legal loophole and technicality available. Which is still not an un-big deal, but not in the same league as actual crime.
posted by Shmuel510 at 8:17 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump looks like he has been taking a rapid weight loss product, he seemed facially deflated. Papers have been daring to portray him as plump. He seemed brain weary, low carb diet will do that.
posted by Oyéah at 8:18 PM on September 26, 2016


He's not admitting to tax evasion he's admitting to structuring his income as something other than what the IRS calls "income."

As usual, the real scandal is what's legal. I'm sure there's illegal shit in his tax returns or he'd release the, but I bet 99% of the mechanisms he uses to keep his taxes low are legal or the kind of thing you can cheat on until you're caught, at which point you just pay what you originally owed.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


You mean, how was it supposed to be split, or how much time Trump took? If it's the latter, I think there'll be some good analysis tomorrow.

There was at least one point where she could have jumped in to grab her time, but he was doing such a good job shooing himself in the foot that she just kind of grinned at him.
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 8:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm really curious about how his team is going to deal with this, going further. Will they just kiss his ass and say, "Yeah, good job! Do more of that next time! Anyone who says you didn't win is a biased member of the liberal media!"

Or will they give him some hard truths? Because...it's not like he's going to listen.
posted by Salieri at 8:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


This vine tho. I noticed this when it happened and really wondered if Trump just noped out on shaking Holt's hand. How do you do that?
posted by dis_integration at 8:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


He said he didn't pay taxes because he is smart.
posted by Oyéah at 8:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"avoision" cannot be a real word. Come on.

avoision
posted by dilaudid at 8:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


moonlight on vermont, the problem is that even if Trump really is paying $0 in taxes, it's probably not actually tax evasion. There are a *lot* of perfectly legal ways to shield income if you are rich enough and have a smart accountant.
posted by tau_ceti at 8:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]




Checking the NPR fact checking page and I'm stupified about 2 steps in

Well know you that every lie has an equal and opposing lie. That's just physics.
posted by AndrewInDC at 8:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]


I think that Holt struck about the right balance between calling Trump out and letting him run his mouth. Not perfect of course but hey, perfection is what we strive for, not what we achieve. Several times while Trump was talking I was actually worried that Holt would interrupt him while he was making a mistake.
posted by kingless at 8:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


On @FoxNews, Brit Hume just complained that Clinton looked "composed, smug, not necessarily attractive."

Pot. Kettle. Black.
posted by entropicamericana at 8:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


It was like 20 minutes into the debate she locked the doors and burned the place down with Trump inside and then emerged unscathed from the flames as a reborn dragon queen.
posted by humanfont at 8:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [134 favorites]


I loved the way she stayed stock-still while he was talking. Like letting a toddler cry himself out when it's come to that stage of parenting where you have to let them learn to deal with their own boo-boos. I don't want to chalk it all up to preparation for this debate because she's been doing that her whole life. But one of my coworkers said to me earlier today "she must be *so* nervous" and I was like "I kind of doubt that, she's been dealing with this for decades...I bet she's feeling okay".
posted by uosuaq at 8:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [16 favorites]






There are a *lot* of perfectly legal ways to shield income if you are rich enough and have a smart accountant.

But Trump is sloppy and arrogant and thinks that laws don't apply to him.
posted by holgate at 8:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]




Dow futures add 100 points as debate ends --CNBC

"See Donald. I did more for the economy tonight than you ever have." [fake]
posted by zachlipton at 8:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [17 favorites]


I think that Holt struck about the right balance between calling Trump out and letting him run his mouth.

I agree, and noticed that he did rebuke Hillary a few times to try to be fair. Holt exceeded my expectations - and HURRAY Hills!
posted by porpoise at 8:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can we just call him Rump now?
posted by ethansr at 8:23 PM on September 26, 2016


Because he's a loser. A sore loser.

Also he really needs a bump before bedtime.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


There are lots of perfectly legal ways to use a charity to further your own business ends, but he just had it cut checks to people he owed money. Trump doesn't give a flying fuck what's technically legal, he just breaks the law and dares you to sue him.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Ummm, stating a starting point is not a fact to be checked and really, stating that it hasn't happened yet is not really pointing out a lie. Do they even know what a lie is?

NPR hasn't been a reliable news source since Republicans put them under threat years ago.
posted by any major dude at 8:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


This vine tho. I noticed this when it happened and really wondered if Trump just noped out on shaking Holt's hand. How do you do that?

He did circle back immediately after that to shake Holt's hand.

(I mean, he's a douchebag, but manipulating the evidence to make it seem like he's a douchebag when there is so much legitimate douchebagness on display seems self-defeating. See also: the previous fake screenshot of Trump's campaign deleting a tweet that was never taken down. Why even?)
posted by Shmuel510 at 8:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh my. Dean's coke tweet was actually on tv. I never knew what people meant by something giving them vapors. I came across this in comment thread and now I know! Did this really and truely happen?
posted by Jalliah at 8:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump skipping Suffolk County GOP victory party

because he's so very, very tired.
posted by carmicha at 8:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


Do you want a fucking President who boasts about weaseling out of paying their taxes? What the hell kind of example is that? It's just hilarious.
posted by Flashman at 8:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


How long until he starts lashing out on Twitter?
posted by sporkwort at 8:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Romney also made the argument that paying the absolute minimum possible taxes was just sound fiscal sense and paying less than his fair share helped qualify him for President.

I doubt Trump's as good at is as Romney, though.
posted by ckape at 8:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


CNN's group of 20 "undecided" Florida voters went 18-2 for Clinton.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 8:25 PM on September 26, 2016 [49 favorites]


18 out of 20 so-called undecided Florida voters on the CNN called it for Clinton. The young woman who identified as a Bernie supporter says Clinton didn't do enough.

*slaps forehead*
posted by Justinian at 8:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [33 favorites]


Most watched debate ever, right?
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 8:26 PM on September 26, 2016




ethansr: Can we just call him Rump now?

No tea, all shade?
posted by filthy light thief at 8:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


MSNCB:
Brian: "James Carvill e is standing by in Arizona."
voice: "thank God"
Brian: "Nicole Wallace just said thank God, now the universe has mashed together and the star in the center has exploded."
posted by numaner at 8:26 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


The 2 holdouts: "We just like the incoherent, shitty guy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
posted by defenestration at 8:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


So if you're curious for a real barometer of how Trump did in this debate, brace yourself and go check out the post debate thread on reddit's /r/the_donald. Every comment is about how disappointed they are in their god emperor. How he should've done x, y, or z, and how Holt rigged the debate from the start. Oh man. I'm feeling better. 🎶It's getting better all the time.🎶
posted by dis_integration at 8:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [73 favorites]


No, but seriously, you guys. She was being so mean to him by calling him a racist and stuff, and he could have totally called her fat, but he didn't. But he COULD have. That's how awesome he is.
posted by Defying Gravity at 8:27 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's fucking Zeno's Dichotomy paradox reading these comments from start to finish.

NO I DO NOT WANT TO '2 new comments, show' YOU YODA PHRASING MONSTER OF A WEBSITE.

....
..
.

No, the debates didn't get me all het up. Why do you ask?
posted by RolandOfEld at 8:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


So, best two out of three?
posted by filthy light thief at 8:28 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


David Frum said on Twitter: "Who told Hillary Clinton to keep smiling like she’s at her granddaughter’s birthday party?" and Twitter is tearing him to shreds.
posted by octothorpe at 8:29 PM on September 26, 2016 [29 favorites]


Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!
posted by clavdivs at 8:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


From a Trump supporter on CSPAN (paraphrased): "I'd like to think of myself as a reasonably intelligent guy, so I watched the debate with an open mind[...]so I decided that the first person in tonight's debate to say the word 'China' will get my vote."
posted by Rykey at 8:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


50/50 odds he can't do the next one for health reasons? Is it a town hall style?
posted by vrakatar at 8:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Rykey plz say [fake]
posted by defenestration at 8:30 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Anyone know if there's a human-edited transcript out yet? WaPo's is incomplete, and as much as I would like to believe that Trump said Mustard would like advocacy, the machine generated transcript on the NPR site is totally incomprehensible....

(And their popup bullshit is hella annoying to boot.)
posted by Westringia F. at 8:31 PM on September 26, 2016 [7 favorites]


She's working a debate watch event now. Stamina! (MSNBC)
posted by clone boulevard at 8:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [10 favorites]




And now Hillary's at a rally. How's that for stamina? Go enjoy your grumpy-time nap, Donald.
posted by charred husk at 8:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


OMG even Drudge.com is at a loss (as of yet) on what banner headline to post proclaiming Trump won the debate
posted by robbyrobs at 8:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


MSNBC is showing Hillary stopping by a debate watch party. All the people who are like "what does she even stand for" and posting all the blanks on her policy, tune in! Oh you probably won't.
posted by zutalors! at 8:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


You lost me at "David Frum", octothorpe, but I'm sure that was a good comment.
posted by uosuaq at 8:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


CNN SNAP POLL. Sample is 41% Democratic, 29% Republican (skews Democratic heavily)

62% Clinton won, 27% Trump won.
posted by Justinian at 8:32 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


David Frum said on Twitter: "Who told Hillary Clinton to keep smiling like she’s at her granddaughter’s birthday party?" and Twitter is tearing him to shreds.

To be fair, a lot of people "tear David Frum to shreds" in his Twitter feed. I like following him because I like reading reasonably intelligent opinions by people I disagree with.
posted by My Dad at 8:33 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump said Mustard would like advocacy [true] [okay, fake. [probably]]
posted by entropicamericana at 8:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Saw someone trumpet that Drudge had a poll showing Trump won the debate, 92% to 8%... to which someone responded that if 8% of Drudge readers thought Clinton won, he's lost the election.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 8:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [67 favorites]


David Frum said on Twitter: "Who told Hillary Clinton to keep smiling like she’s at her granddaughter’s birthday party?" and Twitter is tearing him to shreds.

The thing that I really want when this is over, and which I know I will not get, is an after-the-election session where alleged journalists and pundits are held to account for these shitty things they have said. Publicly. Live on TV. Where they are confronted with their own shitty statements and asked if they stand by them, and why, and then their bosses are asked why they still have jobs.

And then after those questions, they get asked, "Why do you think that answer is good enough?"
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


David Frum said on Twitter: "Who told Hillary Clinton to keep smiling like she’s at her granddaughter’s birthday party?" and Twitter is tearing him to shreds.

By the end I was pretty sure she was just seeing how long she could stay in presidential portrait pose between turns.
posted by quiet coyote at 8:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


Do we have any kind of read yet on the Mark Cuban effect?
posted by Flashman at 8:34 PM on September 26, 2016


defenestration, while I don't deny turning to strong drink about midway through the shitshow, yes, that's what I understood James from New York (I think that's how the moderator introduced him) to say a few minutes ago on CSPAN's call-in coverage. Maybe someone can confirm?
posted by Rykey at 8:34 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fegelein! Fegelein! Fegelein!

I never got that meme. It's too weird.
posted by My Dad at 8:35 PM on September 26, 2016


Josh Marshall's snap judgement: Hillary ruled the show.
posted by argybarg at 8:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's funny, because David Frum was sort of rehabbing his "axis of evil" image into more of a "reasonable conservative" schtick. But there is literally nothing Hillary could have done to avoid this kind of substance-free criticism. You had her opponent basically foaming at the mouth to attack her, she just stood there and patiently waited her turn... but I guess she didn't smile properly.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yeah next one is town hall format which means that Trump will get asked questions by plebians and that should go over well.
posted by vuron at 8:35 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Guys I don't know what to do about watching the debate. I have an hour and a half to decide whether to watch it or not. I could just read a transcript, but I feel like I need to watch it to be able to really converse about it. But I also think I might throw something if I do. (I explained in the earlier thread I don't have data allowance to watch it until Midnight.)

Maybe I'll watch it and skip through the really annoying bits? Would there be any debate left? Luckily I still have half an avocado and half a bottle of wine.
posted by threeturtles at 8:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Rykey, thanks for confirming the [real]

I don't usually but I can't even
posted by defenestration at 8:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'd like to see a long form profile of the architect in the audience whom Trump stiffed who "maybe didn't do a good job" in the NYTimes or some goddamned excuse for a journalism outfit
posted by localhuman at 8:36 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Not quite a Bartlett-Ritchie level drubbing tonight, but close enough for the real world.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 8:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Let's ask the New York Times, did both sides do it?

Trump and Clinton Clash on Terrorism, Jobs and Race

The Missed Opportunities on Both Sides "It only took 90 minutes, but Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump fell into a rut that reinforced both of their stereotypes."

Whew! I thought for a second you had endorsed Hilary Clinton, but I see I was mistaken, carry on Trumping for Trump.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [39 favorites]


Overheard as I was leaving Best Bar in the world - a conversation between a woman who watched the debate and some friends who'd sat it out at an outside table.

FRIENDS: so what happened?

WOMAN: Trump got his ass kicked, whadja think?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


For the next two debates, I really hope they go ahead and just cut his mic every time he goes over time or tries to shout over Hillary. And I very much look forward to the literal temper tantrum that will surely inspire.
posted by litera scripta manet at 8:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


threeturtles, there were definitely some moments that are worth watching over reading, but I had a lot of trouble watching Trump speak, with all the interrupting and yelling and general incoherence. It made me feel uneasy and physically uncomfortable.
posted by defenestration at 8:37 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Luckily I still have half an avocado and half a bottle of wine.

I'm going crosseyed from scanning my way down all these comments, that and a word perfect wordwrap buffer bingo, but I absolutely read that as '... I still have half a bottle of avocado wine." and got really intrigued.
posted by RolandOfEld at 8:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


So, current odds on Trump bailing on debates two and three? Anyone? Anyone?

I predict that he'll do both of the next two, hoping to get to the fourth one with the FOX moderator. And Clinton will, smartly, skip that one after trouncing him in the previous three.
posted by ten pounds of inedita at 8:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey look! I'm finally at the bottom of the thread!

I was too deeply anxious to watch the debate -- it's like a solar eclipse, I couldn't look directly at it

thanks for being the paper-plate-with-a-hole-cut-in-it, Metafilter. you folks are the best
posted by The demon that lives in the air at 8:39 PM on September 26, 2016 [71 favorites]


The justification I'm seeing from Trump supporters online: he held back on purpose, and will go for the jugular during the 2nd and 3rd debates.
posted by girlmightlive at 8:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


So what I want to know is, how does this evening's performance contribute to the psychological ruination and unmaking of Donald Trump? Hillary got some hard hits in, and successfully baited him again and again. How's his ego going to recover? What unhinged crazypants nonsense will he get up to to make himself feel better?

Also, let's all take a moment to feel deeply, deeply sorry for whoever has to deal with him in person tonight. Or if you're unable to summon such sympathy, at least feel profoundly grateful that every moment of your life has led to this moment in which you are not the person who has to deal with Trump tonight.
posted by yasaman at 8:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [36 favorites]


I predict that he'll do both of the next two, hoping to get to the fourth one with the FOX moderator. And Clinton will, smartly, skip that one after trouncing him in the previous three.

There are only three total debates, not including the VP one. If Trump skips the next one I guess it would be fair for HRC to skip the last one but I think, since it is the closest to the election, she will show up and make a fool of him again in that one, too, despite the Fox moderator.
posted by dis_integration at 8:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, thanks for watching this for me. I can't look at that muppet, it's too infuriating--it's like watching somebody who's staggering drunk argue with people who are trying to keep him from driving.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 8:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


Hey y'all, Colbert is on fire (live).
posted by TWinbrook8 at 8:42 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


thanks for being the paper-plate-with-a-hole-cut-in-it, Metafilter. you folks are the best

MetaFilter: camera obscura
posted by iffthen at 8:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


The justification I'm seeing from Trump supporters online: he held back on purpose, and will go for the jugular during the 2nd and 3rd debates.

OK, this is the first time tonight I've felt confident that Hillary won. When your supporters are leaning on rope-a-dope analogies, you done lost.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I pretty much expect to see Trump at the next debate, but the format does give me some pause because I really can't imagine a riskier situation for him than having to field pointed questions from just regular people.
posted by feloniousmonk at 8:43 PM on September 26, 2016


So I guess the reports of Trump prepping for the debate by shooting the shit with Roger Ailes and Laura Ingraham were actually and not just an attempt to lower expecations? Score another one for Trump's Razor.
posted by sporkwort at 8:43 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


And @ realDonalTrump is literally tweetless. Over an hour now with nothing. Nothing. I really thought he would be claiming delusional victory there already.
posted by Gotanda at 8:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I can't look at that muppet, it's too infuriating--it's like watching somebody who's staggering drunk argue with people who are trying to keep him from driving

Holy shit, Sing Or Swim. That is so it.
posted by defenestration at 8:44 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's way way past my bed time. Thanks for being my Donald Trump Pinhole Camera Service again, guys. Between here and Keepin it 1600, I go to bed breathing slightly easier.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:45 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


No Trump tweets for over an hour?

Armageddon is nigh
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:45 PM on September 26, 2016


And @ realDonalTrump is literally tweetless. Over an hour now with nothing. Nothing. I really thought he would be claiming delusional victory there already.

Ivanka is literally holding both of his hands so he can't tweet for as long as she can.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:46 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'd like to see a long form profile of the architect in the audience whom Trump stiffed who "maybe didn't do a good job" in the NYTimes or some goddamned excuse for a journalism outfit

He did an ad for Hillary.
posted by holgate at 8:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


"fuck you you guys do coke and lose debates" @realDonalTrump [not]
posted by defenestration at 8:47 PM on September 26, 2016


The justification I'm seeing from Trump supporters online:

Everything I'm seeing is how Trump was debating Clinton and Holt. So straight to the cries of fairness.

I suspect the official line from the campaign might be to play on the sniffle thing. He was off his game because he was sick but he still went on with the debate and did really well in spite of his being ill.

It doesn't matter that his base went wild over the pneumonia thing and not that they would care simply because it's Trump but they might do it to save face among those that saw him waffle hard.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:47 PM on September 26, 2016


The justification I'm seeing from Trump supporters online: he held back on purpose, and will go for the jugular during the 2nd and 3rd debates.

Being a screaming manic didn't work, so he's going to be even more of a screaming maniac? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 8:47 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I noticed that the only way he seemed to relate to various American cities was by the property he owned there.

The primary exceptions being his repeated claims that stop-and-frisk in NYC was the best thing since sliced bread, interspersed by bouts of talking shit about Chicago. I'm not sure what that says...

I was too deeply anxious to watch the debate -- it's like a solar eclipse, I couldn't look directly at it[.] thanks for being the paper-plate-with-a-hole-cut-in-it, Metafilter. you folks are the best

I literally had another window - generally this thread - covering the one with the livestream so that I didn't have to watch Trump and hear him at the same time; that would have made the whole thing far too real.
posted by ubersturm at 8:47 PM on September 26, 2016


Good point Tommy Vietor made on the Keepin' it 1600 debate show: everyone thought Obama lost the election after the first debate in 2012, so it's too soon to call the election.

That said, I'm calling it for Hillary. And yes, I'll go outside, turn around, spit and curse. But I'm walking away from this debate feeling extremely confident in her chances.
posted by joedan at 8:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Guys. You realize what this means:
Bill Kristol was finally right about something.

I no longer know what to believe anymore.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [22 favorites]


FRIENDS: so what happened?

WOMAN: Trump got his ass kicked, whadja think?


My version of that is that I'm at home watching the facebook feed roll and my family member that is an ardent Trump supporter posted a picture of his TV screen with the split camera view of the two candidates with the brilliant commentary/title of, verbatim,

"Donald trumps face is like bull. Blow it out your ass Hillary".

Whereupon his friends, even ones that are admittedly Trump supporters, begin to express concern about Trump's performance and begin hedging their bets with comments like "Behind trump but he's not being very presidential." and "Just wish Trump would cool his temper and he'd have it in the bag."

Then the next thing he shares is, and I'm not kidding, is something that I can't comprehend about bringing beer to a movie theater by Mudjug Portable Spittoons's.

Short attention span and even shallower intelligence mixed with a dash of trepidation from the smarter among them, there you have it folks, Trump supporters around the country just now...
posted by RolandOfEld at 8:48 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I didn't have the stomach to watch this thing but you made it awesome, everyone. Thank you.

That, plus 'cocaine' is trending on Twitter tonight.

It's been a good evening.
posted by JoeZydeco at 8:48 PM on September 26, 2016




#Sniff is also trending on Twitter.
posted by chris24 at 8:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Grover Norquist:

Trump failed to speak to the Vaping community tonight.
Missed opportunity.
next debate?

[real]
posted by Elementary Penguin at 8:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Want to descend into madness? Take a look at the 39 tweets that @realDonaldjTrump has liked:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/likes
posted by Freen at 8:50 PM on September 26, 2016


i know it's late
Batman vs. The Penguin: The Debate
posted by robbyrobs at 8:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Also, let's all take a moment to feel deeply, deeply sorry for whoever has to deal with him in person tonight. Or if you're unable to summon such sympathy, at least feel profoundly grateful that every moment of your life has led to this moment in which you are not the person who has to deal with Trump tonight.

Was just saying something similar to Mom. I expect he's looking at the media coming out of this and losing it. I'm also betting that all cell phones have been taken out of the vicinity.
posted by Jalliah at 8:50 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


how does this evening's performance contribute to the psychological ruination and unmaking of Donald Trump?

Don't fucking care as long as he doesn't get to be president and his spawn don't get to slaughter any more endangered species. Ideally, I'd like them all locked up in the same cell (sans Tiffany, who was hostage at the debate, and Barron, who can have the cyber) and everyone forced to sign an NDA against them is allowed to piss in their cell when they're sleeping, but I'll make a deal here.
posted by holgate at 8:51 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


That, plus 'cocaine' is trending on Twitter tonight.

"She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie..."
posted by holgate at 8:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Using jet fuel for a decongestant is not illegal!
posted by clavdivs at 8:52 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




>let's all take a moment to feel deeply, deeply sorry for whoever has to deal with him in person tonight.

Let's not. Anybody dealing with him personally is riding the gravy train and can stop anytime they want to go get a real job.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 8:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [15 favorites]


Me just back from parallel universe Metafilter on Bizarro World and Trump am big winner.
posted by morspin at 8:53 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


When your day is done
and you want to tweet on
cocaine
posted by tonycpsu at 8:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [24 favorites]


Oh wow, Ford is fact checking Trump directly now and tweeting that their plant relocation won't cost any American jobs. This is so brutal for him in reality, but will it play in 2016?
posted by feloniousmonk at 8:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [40 favorites]


I hope that 100 million Americans saw what I saw tonight - a debate where one person looked and sounded fit to be President, and one looked like the sort of person the Secret Service would be worried about if he was spotted in the crowd at the inauguration.

Two more like that, please.
posted by Devonian at 8:54 PM on September 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


I think she killed him. She did well, he was so much worse than I though he'd be.

He wore an ill fitting suit with a crooked tie, acted like a cokehead and ranted incoherently. He didn't make any points and she shut him down.
posted by bongo_x at 8:55 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hey, so was I just way too drunk to focus, or was most of Trump's verbal output total word salad?

I know some other people have spoken of their angst and frustration at watching this event, but honestly I was laughing pretty hard at some of the absurd arrangements that came out of that guy's mouth.
posted by indubitable at 8:56 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


Won a "MAKE AMERICA GAY AGAIN" hat at our Debate Viewing party by getting Bingo on my Debate Card. These hats are made in the USA as well.

Also bought some more Hillary pins, and gave one to a cashier who missed the debates because of work, but liked Hillary.

Had to stay sober, but now I have 57208302 units of caffeine pulsing through my veins, and perfect for my Calculus homework!
posted by spinifex23 at 8:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


No, it was word salad. Impossible to parse and gave me a headache (but that's how I like it, I'm a coherence masochist)
posted by iffthen at 8:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


I heard about ten minutes of it, listening in the car. Followed the rest online in various places.

Clinton was awkward, hokey, and utterly unafraid. "Trumped Up Trickle Down" - come on. Eye-rollingly bad.

Her letting Trump talk over her until it was time to not let him talk over her, and making The Donald shut up once he realized she wasn't paying attention to him, masterful.

Needling and needling him, deliberately, openly, and laughing in his face when he took the bait, time and again, and used it as a fulcrum to push her own vision.

"Trump thinks global warming is a Chinese hoax" - true, and LOL!

FARK.com has a fond term for Obama - "The Troll in Chief."

I think we've found a worthy successor.

FARK is a lot more left-leaning than it used to be, but they're still cynical and crude and right now? They're all busting a gut over there at The Donald's epic fail. They already have the template for creating your own trump-fail meme, similar to Biden taking down Palin.
posted by Slap*Happy at 8:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


Holt: "If you lose, will you accept the results of the election?"
Clinton: "Yes."
Trump: "CLINTON AND OBAMA JUST TODAY LEGALIZED 800, NO 1500 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO WERE ABOUT TO BE DEPORTED SO THEY COULD VOTE FOR HER!"
posted by dirigibleman at 8:57 PM on September 26, 2016 [14 favorites]




So here's the thing. What I said to my wife (who just couldn't bear to watch the vile talking yam after 20 minutes and walked away to do something better with her time) was that things ended up as I was hoping they would, rather than as I feared they might. Hillary did an awesome job of poking and prodding and then just sitting back and letting him implode and come across as a loud mouthed boorish bully. And at this point, I doubt that would cost him much, because the most solid of his support are deplorables who WANT the angry bully to make them feel better about their waning privilege... but that I couldn't possibly see this convincing anyone neutral.

Then the CNN debate-viewers poll mentioned above was reported with heavy disclaimers about it being Democrat-biased by population. They said 41% Democrat, 26% Republican, so presumably 33% undecided. The poll was 62% to 27% for Clinton as the winner -- which lines up pretty well with “he’s not going to lose much, but it may send a lot of folks her way”.

It's just one poll. But put yourself into the minds of the many much less politically addicted people for whom this was the first time they started paying any real attention to the election and what they saw tonight. This was a disaster for Trump amongst the undecideds, and that's where elections are won in the modern era. Don't panic, this wasn't the wipeout for Clinton that some of us think it is -- that's just our own fears and anxieties.

Will it move the polls much? Probably not, and we can all weep quietly in the corner about what that means. But what my gut feeling says is in the national polls over the next few days we'll see Trump level or maybe down 1%, and Hillary up 2-3. THAT, in modern races, is huge.

This was a good night. Have another drink and relax.

(This commentary brought to you by Rittenhouse and Dolin Rouge.)
posted by jammer at 8:58 PM on September 26, 2016 [23 favorites]


I do think "trumped up trickle down" was a bad line but it won't be the takeaway from this debate. I think the preparedness quip will be the takeaway.
posted by dis_integration at 8:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [6 favorites]


10 demerits for mentioning the ghastly FARK.
posted by clavdivs at 8:59 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump Adviser Roger Stone Lashes Out At “Pathetic” Debate Moderator Lester Holt: “The Debate Was Two On One”

Oh the whining. When you're complaining about the refs...
posted by chris24 at 9:00 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


This was a good night. Have another drink and relax.

Done, and d--... working on it!
posted by tonycpsu at 9:00 PM on September 26, 2016


watched the debate with zero social media on a network without any on screen commentary, I was very afraid that Donald's objectively ridiculous performance was going to go over well and hillarys objectively pretty good performance was going to be not enough. I can never tell, I mean the be honest I thought he came off as slightly less deplorable than usual, so I expected a different reaction. Thank goodness. But is this just because people were not paying attention before?
posted by skewed at 9:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


TRUMP/COCAINE 2016!
posted by vrakatar at 9:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'm reading /r/the_donald so you don't have to.

So, first, a lot of them call Trump "God Emperor," if you really needed a baseline for what we're dealing with.

Many are saying Holt was biased against Trump because Clinton didn't get any hard questions. Also thinking that she knew the questions ahead of time as her reason for doing well. But, reiterating my earlier post, they seem to believe that she used up her entire "arsenal/ammo" on this first debate so when the 2nd and 3rd debates come around, and she's asked about Benghazi and Libya, she won't have anything to say.
posted by girlmightlive at 9:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [9 favorites]


Tonight was a complete disaster for Trump

1) He failed to look Presidential - He was constantly flustered and tossing word salad
2) He failed to look prepared - just going #YOLO and winging it is not a great strategy for being president this is not a "fake it til you make it job"
3) He failed to look like a winner - Trump's mystique is about being a winner and that illusion took a beating tonight
4) He showed weakness - He was forced to back down continually when confronted by facts

Combined with basically admitting that he's willing to cheat the system in order to avoid paying his fair share and I can't imagine this going worse for him. And there is an extended period between now and the 2nd debate (which also is a bad format for him) for the media to disect his failures.
posted by vuron at 9:01 PM on September 26, 2016 [27 favorites]


Just woke up from a nice dream about Double Gloucester, Branston pickle and Melton Mowbray pork pies. Hoping Hillary won, and that at least two of the items I dreamt about are in my fridge. Scrolling while shuffling towards kitchen...
posted by Wordshore at 9:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [8 favorites]


A few comments have mentioned that they can't stomach watching and listening to Trump at the same time.

Several weeks ago I read a comment (maybe here, I don't remember) saying that Donald Trump has chicken eyes. Chicken. Eyes. Seriously, google some pictures. The man has the eyes of a chicken.

Anyway, it's helped. Every time I see footage of him I make it my goal to focus on the chicken eyes until I can almost see the rest of the chicken materialize around him. It's like a fun little game I play while I'm hurting myself with TV.

(With apologies to chickens everywhere.)
posted by phunniemee at 9:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [30 favorites]


The 1% solution!
posted by clavdivs at 9:02 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


girlmightlive, they sound like blinkered fools.
posted by defenestration at 9:03 PM on September 26, 2016


I thought he came off as slightly less deplorable than usual

That's how pundits think -- as long as he beats his baseline, he won. I think voters expect more, and they wanted someone who wasn't deplorable.
posted by tonycpsu at 9:03 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


3) He failed to look like a winner - Trump's mystique is about being a winner and that illusion took a beating tonight

That's my take. I've been slightly down about recent polls but this helps.

I think 90% of his appeal is alpha dog posturing. He looked like a loser tonight and people were laughing at him. He cannot win with that. He's backed into a corner. I feel like this may have been more of a game changer than people are thinking because someone just pulled back the curtain on the great and powerful Oz.
posted by bongo_x at 9:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [25 favorites]


He did pull out the word braggadocios though.

I was expecting Julie Andrews to break out in song.
posted by JackFlash at 9:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I know Chris Matthews gets deserved flak but he's not letting Kellyanne Conway and her shit eating grin get away with anything.
posted by zutalors! at 9:05 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


I want to second the approach My Dad mentioned and encourage reading people like David Frum (reasonably intelligent neocon) on Twitter.

Mr Frum links this video of a Bill Clinton debate performance and says "Hillary never learned Bill's music". He has a point. I haven't seen Hillary completely knock it out of the park to that level, and I'm kinda hoping she does at the Town Hall debate.

On that note, if anyone can link conservative commentators who are generally coherent and make good points, I'd appreciate it.
posted by iffthen at 9:07 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]




Best moment of the debate for me was when trump was bloviating about something, and our Hillary was just giving him an indulgent look, and Boy said "omg mom, that's the look you give me right before I get grounded." And minutes later, Hillary dropped major shade, and Boy was all, "See? Grounded."

I laughed.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 9:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [119 favorites]


Kellyanne Conway is tenacious but seems pretty clearly to be just doing a job.
posted by feloniousmonk at 9:08 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow people actually think Benghazi and 33,000 emails actually have legs?

The Trump Foundation shenanigans have basically eliminated the Clinton Foundation question marks so it's hard to imagine what sort of gotchas Trump is going to pull out.

Maybe Whitewater?

Sounds like they are hoping to use Lewinsky in the next couple of debates because apparently Donald moralizing about Bill's behavior seems like a big winner.
posted by vuron at 9:09 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]




lol, nah we heard you, Trump. That's your real problem.
posted by defenestration at 9:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [47 favorites]


HA HA HA Trump is being every 10-year-old boy who ever lost a video game.

"Hey, you guys ganged up on me"

"My controller was broken! Not fair!"
posted by mmoncur at 9:11 PM on September 26, 2016 [50 favorites]


A defective mic would've been his best ally.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 9:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]


"I had a defective mic - it kept saying these lame-ass waffling things instead of the awesome takedowns I actually said. Also, I think my mic was racist." (fake)
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 9:12 PM on September 26, 2016 [46 favorites]


Reflective mike; defective Don.
posted by defenestration at 9:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


Here is the best part - this was Team Clinton's best guess at how the debate would go. She had to rely on a lot of improv, and pick-and-choose from a menu of options depending on how he would react.

The next debate, based on this one, is going to be more of the same. Donnie in the Primaries, roaring out talking-points. A specific few he's hung up on, in terms of policy, and a specific few he will lash out at, as it's hurtful.

She. Will. Be. So. Ready. In professional wrestling they have a term for what's about to go down - "squash match." Where a superstar utterly annihilates some poor jobber.
posted by Slap*Happy at 9:13 PM on September 26, 2016 [13 favorites]


I think trump pulled off the perfect rope-a-dope minus the rope-a.
posted by mazola at 9:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


The most wildly left wing person I follow on Twitter (most outspoken critic of Obama I know) just said he was actually proud to be standing with HRC tonight. Words matter.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 9:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [32 favorites]


He looked like a loser tonight and people were laughing at him. He cannot win with that

A lot of what I'm reading is leaning more along the lines of he looked bad, like really bad and it was funny. If he's moved beyond 'omg he's horrible and what a horrible thing he said ' to 'omg loser, ha ha ' this is a very good thing. Not only is it a tried and true tactic for dealing with people of his *ahem* temperament in this case in particular being laughed and made fun of (losing perceived power and stature) will drive him up the wall and potentially make him do more stupid things to prove himself and save face.

I hope this is a start of a downward vicious cycle for him.
posted by Jalliah at 9:14 PM on September 26, 2016 [33 favorites]




My other hope is that the press smells blood in the water and turns on Trump.
posted by bongo_x at 9:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


Oh wow, Ford is fact checking Trump directly now and tweeting that their plant relocation won't cost any American jobs. This is so brutal for him in reality, but will it play in 2016?

I fucking hope it does. The facts are straightforward: Ford decided to build its smaller cars in Mexico because it sells more small cars to Latin America than to the US, and the margins are tighter. It decided to move the Flint factory over to build the Ranger and Bronco, because there was consumer demand in the US for small pickups and small SUVs after a hiatus. The UAW signed up for that move. Americans want to be able to buy $20k small cars, and you simply cannot do that by paying less than $19/hr in Michigan.

I had this argument with Trumpkins on Twitter, and they basically said that Ford should go to the South and pay non-union wages of $11/hr instead. That's where they are. They cannot compute the idea that there is some relationship between the cost of a thing and the wages paid to the people who make that thing.
posted by holgate at 9:15 PM on September 26, 2016 [19 favorites]




Missed the debate live, so I'm only catching up now. I think I'd better leave the raw video and most of these 17 bajillion comments to review over coffee tomorrow, but my anxiety couldn't resist at least scanning the news before bed.

The consensus outside the blue seems to be that while Clinton perhaps failed to smash it quite as much as hoped/expected, she also definitely didn't blow it, either. She just needed to show up and be the grown-up in the room, and it sounds like that's what happened.

That sounds plenty good enough to me. Just be your wonky self, stay normal and sane and let the crazy person implode by comparison.

Going forward, just as long as her campaign can stay cohesive and not run out of dextromethorphan, she really only needs to keep saying "Please proceed, Donald" for another month or so.

This is gonna work out all right, kids. No nightmares tonight.
posted by rokusan at 9:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [3 favorites]


The next debate, based on this one, is going to be more of the same. Donnie in the Primaries, roaring out talking-points. A specific few he's hung up on, in terms of policy, and a specific few he will lash out at, as it's hurtful.

I disagree pretty strongly. If the polls shift towards Clinton at all between now and next week Trump will change up his approach. I would expect it to be much more personal and much more of an attempt at a sustained attack on her personally and her family (ie blowjobs). I don't expect it will be successful but I think he'd try it.
posted by Justinian at 9:16 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]




Here is the best part - this was Team Clinton's best guess at how the debate would go. She had to rely on a lot of improv, and pick-and-choose from a menu of options depending on how he would react.

Yeah, she gets to hone her steel for almost two whole weeks, and his team's still going to be scrambling to find him safety scissors.
posted by jason_steakums at 9:18 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


I don't think the tax thing will hurt him, or really any stance he took. I think what will hurt him is just him being an ass.
posted by corb at 9:19 PM on September 26, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, she gets to hone her steel for almost two whole weeks

The next debate is one week from today, if you are on the east coast.
posted by Justinian at 9:19 PM on September 26, 2016


Belated impressions:

Overall, I feel good about how that went. At least, I'm less anxious than I was before the debate (although some of that might be the carbo-loading and the booze). And I'm heartened to see the media actually acknowledging that Clinton "won" this one handily.

Anecdotally, I'm also encouraged by what I've seen on Facebook: a lot of my Bernie-voting friends who were vehemently anti-Clinton two months ago seem to be slowly coming 'round. In particular, the blatant sexism against her (from Trump, from the media, from other Internet randos) seems to be moving the needle with a lot of women.

I will be monitoring the post-debate polls with cautious optimism.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 9:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [5 favorites]


NY Times calling it a draw, so it's official: she fucking crushed him.
posted by Artw at 9:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [86 favorites]


I think the choice is now pretty clear: are you going to vote for someone who's been fighting ISIS for their entire adult life or someone who's never had an adult life?
posted by uosuaq at 9:20 PM on September 26, 2016 [48 favorites]


The consensus outside the blue seems to be that while Clinton perhaps failed to smash it quite as much as hoped/expected, she also definitely didn't blow it, either. She just needed to show up and be the grown-up in the room, and it sounds like that's what happened.

I think she did better than that. She's not Bill Clinton, she's not Barack Obama, but she did very well. He just did incredibly badly. She would have won anyway.
posted by bongo_x at 9:21 PM on September 26, 2016 [4 favorites]


"It decided to move the Flint factory over to build the Ranger and Bronco, because there was consumer demand in the US for..."

check your facts and pass the bootles
posted by clavdivs at 9:21 PM on September 26, 2016


Oh wow, Ford is fact checking Trump directly now and tweeting that their plant relocation won't cost any American jobs.

Ford Management and Ford Labor in lockstep opposition to Trump?

Well, then, I guess It Can't Happen Here. This is where I fist pump and yell "USA! USA! USA!"

If Hillary Clinton does nothing else this election cycle, taking back the title of American Patriotism for the Democratic Party will be worth it.
posted by Slap*Happy at 9:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]




And the backing out begins:

Rudy Giuliani told us that if he were Trump, he wouldn't do more debates bc of the moderator


Fingers crossed the big whiney baby takes this to heart.
posted by Artw at 9:22 PM on September 26, 2016


When Clinton brought up Trump's "Miss Piggy and Miss Housekeeping" remarks about Alicia Machado, he looked so bewildered, asking her "Where did you dig that up?" in a wondering and plaintive way. Now it turns out that Hillary had an ad ready to go and had waited untiljust the right place in the debate to work in the reference. That's masterful; Trump never saw it coming and must feel so outplayed. Hilarious.
posted by carmicha at 9:22 PM on September 26, 2016 [134 favorites]


I think the choice is now pretty clear: are you going to vote for someone who's been fighting ISIS for their entire adult life or someone who's never had an adult life?

This would probably be more amusing if ISIS had been around long enough for anyone to have an adult life.
posted by tonycpsu at 9:23 PM on September 26, 2016 [1 favorite]


To be fair Trump has insulted a LOT of women, of course he can't keep track.
posted by ckape at 9:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [28 favorites]


>I would expect it to be much more personal and much more of an attempt at a sustained attack on her personally and her family (ie blowjobs).

I have a fantasy in which he tries to do that and Hillary asks him which of his several arrangements with mail-order brides he'd like to compare with her marriage of forty years.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 9:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [20 favorites]


I don't think the tax thing will hurt him, or really any stance he took.

I don't think they'll hurt him directly - his followers and the leaning-toward-Trump crowd will ignore them, and the voting-for-Hillary crowd will smirk over them but that's a short-term glee. However, they'll provide great fodder for Hillary's next wave of campaign ads, and those might convince some of the undecided voters. (I can hope, anyway.)
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 9:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [2 favorites]


Justinian- the debate next week is the VP debate, the town hall debate isn't until the 9th

Which is a long time to be stuck with a loser tag
posted by vuron at 9:24 PM on September 26, 2016 [12 favorites]


I also suspect Trump is going to get vicious and personal; he suggested as much when he whined abou