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October 19, 2016 5:31 PM   Subscribe

With 20 days to go until Election Day, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump face off in their third and final debate at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas at 9:00 PM Eastern Time. Print out your Bingo cards and tune in to any major network (BBC News and Sky News in the UK) or listen on NPR. Alternately, watch on one of YouTube's channels in English (NBC, PBS, Fox News, the Washington Post, the New York Times, C-SPAN) and Spanish (Univision, Telemundo.) Twitter will stream Bloomberg. Facebook has ABC and PBS. C-SPAN has its own feed (C-SPAN Radio is also streaming.) You can watch in virtual reality (Gear, Rift, or Vive) via AltspaceVR, although that may not be a good idea. If you hurry, you can even watch for free in your local Regal Cinema.

The debate will be moderated by Fox News' Chris Wallace. He will ask questions about debt and entitlements, immigration, the economy, the Supreme Court, foreign hot spots, and the candidates’ fitness to be president. Each of the six segments will last 15 minutes.

On Thursday C-SPAN will air the Al Smith Dinner live starting at 8:50 PM. Video will be available here, although it's not yet clear if it will stream live.

Per mod request, try not to post reactions without providing context. Remember that people will be trying to make sense of this thread days (or years) from now. If you need to post "OMG!" in real time, use our Chat. (If the web interface isn't working for you, frimble has instructions for connecting with Adium, Monal, and Apple Messages. A longer list of Jabber-compatible clients is here.)

Can't tell the PoT(T) from MAGA? Check out the updated wiki page for in-joke explanations, protips, and voter information. If you want to analyze how the debates are being covered, the Internet Archive has the data. To talk about election posts, see the MetaTalk post.

Previous debate threads: All Election2016 posts.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker (3925 comments total) 99 users marked this as a favorite
 
Oh my god, I made it to the end of the thread!
posted by gc at 5:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [160 favorites]


And may god have mercy upon our souls.
posted by Artw at 5:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


Election thread with zero comments. I took a screenshot.

Edit: dammit.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 5:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [84 favorites]


FINISH HIM.
posted by T.D. Strange at 5:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [53 favorites]


Don't know if I can do this. I may just leave the Yuri on Ice OP running for two hours instead.
posted by charred husk at 5:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Charged and ready to see how low he can go.
posted by flippant at 5:32 PM on October 19, 2016


@jon_bois: "today i’m reading about policy. that way when the candidates debate tonight, i will understand the complicated things they are talking about"
posted by mazola at 5:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


Nice place, I'll just sit over here.
posted by valkane at 5:33 PM on October 19, 2016


"Bah gawd, that's Egg McMuffin's music!"
posted by tonycpsu at 5:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


So, I haven't been reading these threads since right after the DNC, did I miss anything?
posted by Chrysostom at 5:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


IS THIS THE NEW THREAD?
posted by infinitywaltz at 5:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Okay I'm ready.
posted by triggerfinger at 5:34 PM on October 19, 2016


To spare my sanity, I'm learning PHP instead
posted by ocschwar at 5:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [33 favorites]


C-SPAN is showing a pre debate meet and greet
posted by ZeusHumms at 5:34 PM on October 19, 2016


It's like Threadmas Morning!
posted by Special Agent Dale Cooper at 5:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


You people have given me the worst craving for tacos with that last thread I swear
posted by scaryblackdeath at 5:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


it feels so weird to not be watching the debate live... but I'll probably end up sitting in my car in the school parking garage when this math test is over, watching the last half on my phone like the addict I am. halp.
posted by palomar at 5:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Would love to see a poll of third-debate-watchers that asks why they're watching: I think “haven’t made up my mind yet” would lose to “hoping to see a trainwreck” by a factor of two.
posted by savetheclocktower at 5:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]



To spare my sanity, I'm learning PHP instead


This PHP, it may not do what you think it will do.
posted by localhuman at 5:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [55 favorites]


I have all the same thoughts and feelings that have been articulated in these threads before the start of a debate: It's beneath Hillary Clinton to have to share the stage with this nightmare joke. I feel like this election has taken years off my life in sheer stress. Part of me wonders if Donald might lash out physically. None of this is how government is supposed to work. I just want the ugliness to end. But afraid it won't. I do feel like Hillary Clinton is standing between me and the screaming void.
posted by prefpara at 5:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [53 favorites]


I'm watching Survivor right now before the debate comes on. I'm looking forward to seeing two torches get snuffed tonight.
posted by phunniemee at 5:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm dialed into YouTube, I've had a glass of nice red wine, and my lovely wife, who can't abide the ugliness, has gone upstairs. I'm ready.
posted by Gelatin at 5:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bored, watching msnbc and waiting for the debate, and this happened.
posted by heyho at 5:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


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I love you all, and godspeed. Like so many of you have said before, these threads have helped me stay...

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Goddamnit.
posted by mrgoat at 5:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [71 favorites]




[Welcome, folks! To preserve my sanity and eyeballs, please try to keep this substantive. Chat is open if you just want quick banter! Thanks.]
posted by restless_nomad at 5:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


FESTIVAAAAAAL!!!!! FEEEASTIVAAAAAAAAAL!
posted by vrakatar at 5:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ha ha I'm about to enjoy the debate from the best possible place - my flight is about to take off! See you on the other side of Airplane Mode, suckers!
posted by nickmark at 5:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [29 favorites]


to spare my sanity, i'm smoking pcp instead
posted by pyramid termite at 5:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [42 favorites]


Heading seen on MSNBC a few minutes ago: "CLINTON VS TRUMP: THE FINAL MATCHUP."

Yes, because this is professional wrestling, not, y'know, PEOPLE'S LIVES.
posted by dnash at 5:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Scott Baio sighting ! I repeat! Scott Baio sighting!
posted by Sophie1 at 5:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


A friend posted on FB that she's not watching the shitshow tonight but she's super pumped for the SNL cold open this weekend.
posted by palomar at 5:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Keeping it 1600 is live again (with therapy dogs)
posted by T.D. Strange at 5:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Don't worry, she's a shoe in, done deal, no problem, heck everyone else is voting for her so stay home, kick back, relax.
posted by sammyo at 5:38 PM on October 19, 2016


Per mod request, try not to post reactions without providing context. Remember that people will be trying to make sense of this thread days (or years) from now. If you need to post "OMG!" in real time.

This is outstanding advice.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm watching, but I'm really not looking forward to 90 minutes of Trump's continued shitting on our democracy. It is so nauseating.
posted by joedan at 5:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


The CSPAN host was just asking Holger Stark of Der Spiegel to give the German perspective on the US election and debates and he was being wonderfully frank. He said that this election is being covered more than any other election (hi world! sorry world!) because of Trump is a walking international disaster wildcard who “schmoozes with Putin” and because Hillary Clinton is known on the world stage. Not surprisingly, he says Germans see Donald Trump as a bully and Hillary Clinton is a known, so it’s not about any kind of policy, but instead a spectacle that he likened to “two matadors facing off.” They just want to see who wins. Congrats, USA, we are now officially the WWE of the entire world.
posted by zennie at 5:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [46 favorites]


Hey everybody. It's gonna be a rough couple hours probably, huh? To help us all get through it, I offer you these gifs. My recommendation: leave 'em open in a tab, and when Trump talks, just mute him and look at this sweet innocent CGI baby tree instead.
posted by yasaman at 5:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Voice on speakers tells everyone to take their seats
posted by ZeusHumms at 5:38 PM on October 19, 2016


Between waiting to see what batshit garbage Donny will spew next, waiting to see if my tarte tatin comes out in one piece, and waiting to hear about a possible new job, I have run entirely out of evens. It's probably time to open the wine.
posted by Sara C. at 5:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Is anyone else bugged when you hear "I hate this election" (insert profanity wherever)? Like I totally get that sentiment, but it frustrates me because pretty much all the awful behavior is coming from one specific candidate. (Other than Jill Stein occasionally tweeting something to undercut her own credibility.) Does anyone else feel like that frustration sends a message of false equivalency?
posted by scaryblackdeath at 5:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [48 favorites]


Sophie1: "Scott Baio sighting ! I repeat! Scott Baio sighting!"

Somewhere, Willie Aames stares at an unringing phone and sighs.
posted by Chrysostom at 5:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [27 favorites]


I skipped watching the last debate live, but I'm back for this one. Let's do this, MeFi. Thanks for keeping me sane during this insane election season.
posted by defenestration at 5:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Keepin it 1600 dogs are so cute, it's giving me issues.
posted by joyceanmachine at 5:39 PM on October 19, 2016


Michaela is getting a really good victory arc this episode. She's such a Hillary omg.
posted by phunniemee at 5:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


nytimes has nice view of podiums
posted by kuatto at 5:40 PM on October 19, 2016


I have some beer, my kitty cat is curled up right here, the thread is open, and I have XCOM 2 fired up because I cannot handle watching these debates fully without distraction. I didn't eat tacos but I had kraft dinner which I felt was appropriately orange.

Also my girlfriend is across the coast and she's working tonight but will be checking in here all the time. (Have fun at work, babes!)

I hope this is not awful.
posted by Neronomius at 5:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Don't worry, she's a shoe in

If you ask me, she needs to get the shoe in before the 5-minute mark and not let up.
posted by duffell at 5:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


The only thing this debate was missing was Bob Loblaw.
posted by cmfletcher at 5:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Those washington post headsets make them look like they're working a shift at Burger King.
posted by valkane at 5:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


i'm going to have to sit this one out - don't want to stay up late again when i have a 12 hour shift tomorrow and if donnie does end up perched upside down on the ceiling gibbering obscenities as he tries to grab whatever he can that doesn't belong to him, i'm sure there will be video, as blurred out as it may be
posted by pyramid termite at 5:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Glass of wine to the right, this window to the left, drawing screen in the middle. You folks are gonna transcribe, right?
posted by Mooski at 5:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's 2:30am here in rome and I feel like ass thanks to some flu bug. I just want to thank all of you in advance for the coming play by play that I will obsessively read some time tomorrow morning after I get the munchkins off to school.
posted by romakimmy at 5:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Question for everyone: is there an 'optimal' live stream to watch on YouTube?
posted by defenestration at 5:41 PM on October 19, 2016


He said that this election is being covered more than any other election (hi world! sorry world!)

There was a BBC vox pop piece during the Tory party conference -- the true blue faithful, a lot of ardent Brexiters -- with a "drop the ball in the perspex box" poll for the US election. Clinton came out ahead by about two-thirds to one-third.
posted by holgate at 5:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Utter silence in room. Most appear to be in their seats.
posted by ZeusHumms at 5:42 PM on October 19, 2016


The audience is Neanderthals, and won't shut up. This is Idiocracy.
posted by Yowser at 5:42 PM on October 19, 2016


Hillary is a soldier and will go her entire life without ever complaining about this, but I hate that she has to share a stage with this man -- this unrepentant sexual predator snarling about locking her up in prison. It's demeaning to her, and degrading to American democracy.

It's nearly over. Let's get through this together. Trump delenda est.
posted by Rumpled at 5:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [89 favorites]


SMOKE EM IF YOU GOT EM!
posted by vrakatar at 5:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is the prodromal or pre-emetic phase
posted by srboisvert at 5:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Utter silence? What stream are you watching? CNN is a shitshow.
posted by Yowser at 5:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wait.... Were the giant glowing side flags always there?
posted by zennie at 5:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


We have a French high school exchange student staying with us right now. She said the other day, "I hate that Trump."

Me too, Maxine. Me too.
posted by cooker girl at 5:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [35 favorites]


Mmmmm... that effervescent Fresh Thread scent.

Thanks, CHT.
posted by PROD_TPSL at 5:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


My obsession with this election (hi America from Canada!) may be partly stem from my worsening winter depression. I feel it sneaking in and find myself obsessing and becoming an angry radical feminist leftie. So thanks Donald!
posted by kanata at 5:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Anyone know why these things always kick off at 9:03? Is it lag due to solar wind? What?
posted by valkane at 5:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


NyTimes, audience instruction is starting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_pEb1bDN-w
posted by kuatto at 5:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm watching C-Span.
posted by ZeusHumms at 5:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Utter silence? What stream are you watching? CNN is a shitshow.

Watch CSPAN, man. No talking heads, plus you get a nice half hour lead-in of just the inside of the arena.
posted by jammer at 5:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Do we think the Trump cast of ghouls was brought in to heckle her Joe Wilson style? What are the odds someone actually interjects from the audience? Is the Secret Service ready to step in and remove Okeefe if he starts yelling?
posted by T.D. Strange at 5:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Networks pick it up at 9pm. You need a minute or two for intro.
posted by cmfletcher at 5:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Looking forward to spending this debate together with you guys again - thanks for keeping me sane.

*sigh* I still can't bear to watch....
posted by Otherwise at 5:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Guys always look outta place in suits near SUVs.
posted by valkane at 5:45 PM on October 19, 2016


Also sitting this one out. The hangover after the last one nearly killed me. However, my prediction is that no matter what happens, the media is going to give this one to Trump. I'd be happy to be wrong, and I don't think it will change the outcome of the election at all, but I just don't think the media can say Clinton has won all three. That wouldn't be fair and balanced!! So if that happens don't panic! It's just part of the stupid horse-race coverage we are saddled with.
posted by great_radio at 5:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


9:03 gives the on-air networks time to do their intros
posted by DanSachs at 5:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


C-SPAN split screen showing the Clintons arriving
posted by ZeusHumms at 5:46 PM on October 19, 2016


I watch only CSPAN. Silence. Glorious silence. Janet Brown is now talking about the crew and committee for the debate commission.

Hillary arriving in bright white.
posted by Sophie1 at 5:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hillary's dressed in white again. It looks like it might be the same suit she wore at the last day of the convention.
posted by jammer at 5:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


The third minute is set aside for Elijah.
posted by drezdn at 5:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


I'm watching Survivor right now. Can they just extend Tribal Council and we can vote Trump off?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'll probably go with pbs then send them money. I think it is pledge week all over public broadcastland.
posted by vrakatar at 5:46 PM on October 19, 2016


C-SPAN here as well. It's just all raw feed.

Yum.... raw data.
posted by PROD_TPSL at 5:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


My husband and both my boys have been suffering the effects of a nasty stomach flu. For the past few days, i have been cleaning up all sorts of foul fluids and getting a glimpse of the hell that I'm probably going to go through any day now.

So what I'm saying is that I'm in the right frame of mind for the debates.
posted by bibliowench at 5:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


CBS has a bunch of undecided voters who are doing the whole "the candidates are worse than the Kardashians!!!" schtick.

Give me a break-- the fact that news networks refuse to cover Clinton's policy speeches DOESN'T MEAN SHE ISN'T GIVING THEM.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 5:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


I'm trying out the Keep It 1600 live feed and the therapy dogs are much better than any talking head commentators.
posted by kanata at 5:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Okay guys, serious question. My kid wanted to watch the debates but forgot the last one was tonight. Am I morally obligated to tell her? I just know he's going to say horrible awful shit.
posted by corb at 5:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm gonna miss you guys and obsessing over the election with you. I won't miss the election craziness, just the Metaobsession.
But, there's always Hillary's reelection coverage in four years.
Hopefully we won't be saying, "Remember the good times we had then? If we'd only known...."
posted by TrishaU at 5:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I can't tell you how proud I am..."

Why? Why can't you tell us? THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW!
posted by mattdidthat at 5:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Anyone know why these things always kick off at 9:03?

it's to give the alcohol time to hit the brain
posted by pyramid termite at 5:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


Just saw HRC & family arrive on the WaPo thread. She's wearing her white Nomination Acceptance Speech pantsuit (or a very similar one). <3
posted by stolyarova at 5:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Steve Schmidt on MSNBC talking about Pence's refusal to repudiate Trump's election rigging claims: "Though we may live in post-fact America, I think it's important for our candidates for the Vice Presidency and the Presidency to have at least some relation to reality when they make representations that go to the heart of the integrity of our democratic system. And let's be clear, these are attacks on the foundations of how we pick our leaders. And it is very, very distrurbing."
posted by tonycpsu at 5:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


> is there an 'optimal' live stream to watch on YouTube?

It's been a long time since I wanted to rickroll someone... Plus it might be the correct answer to the question
posted by kleinsteradikaleminderheit at 5:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


I only have enough bourbon for a 45 minute debate, not a 90 minute debate. Horrors!
posted by chaoticgood at 5:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Wapo and Cspan are the feeds of choice. No talking heads, or minimal talking heads. Anything else is horrible.
posted by T.D. Strange at 5:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


You folks are gonna transcribe, right?

speaking of -- I get so excited about every one of these debates because a couple years ago I was head of editing at the company that used to produce the only decent real-time transcripts of these and many other terrible political events. which meant on a night like this in previous election years I would be in the office typing my wee fingers off so the precious New York Times and assorted other media outlets could get their fucking transcript up as fast as possible. you may have noticed that their transcript quality went to shit a couple years ago after we went bankrupt and got acquired by some other bunch of idiots. paragraph breaks in shocking places, even more embarrassing things.

anyhow, it's because I'm not there anymore and there isn't any more there to be at. so yes, Trump is destroying our world, but on the other hand, I can get drunk without any behind-the-cubicle secrecy and I don't have to listen to more than every third word unless I want to and I don't have to write it all down verbatim with his voice right in my headphones. so you win some, you lose some, freedom isn't free
posted by queenofbithynia at 5:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [85 favorites]


I am literally defying my mental health practitioner's professional counsel and directive by watching the debate and participating in this thread.

Woo rebellion.

Will someone come sit by me?
posted by mudpuppie at 5:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [59 favorites]


I'm at my favorite bar and have my favorite drink and soon will have my favorite tacos. As ready as I'll ever be.
posted by rtha at 5:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Wapo: NONE OF THE ABOVE is the vote of choice for people with no clue.
posted by valkane at 5:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


CBS has a bunch of undecided voters

How the everloving fuck can anyone seriously still be "undecided"? At this point, I'm suspecting either an overwhelming need for attention or some sort of pathology.
posted by bibliowench at 5:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [58 favorites]


I'm at work. Someone get drunk for me please.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 5:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


"You Democrats always know what time it is"

You got that right, buddy.
posted by mattdidthat at 5:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Sleep deprived in London. This is a terrible idea. *glued to screen*
posted by Pallas Athena at 5:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


I've been in Japan since Obama's 2008 campaign and I felt like I sort of missed out on the Hope and Change party watching from over here. Now being able to stream debates live on my AppleTV, and these amazing threads to keep me company, I feel American again.

Thanks Metafilter (and Youtube)!
posted by p3t3 at 5:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


I am petting a dog and watching Sense8. I REGRET NOTHING.

please tell me if anything terrible happens that will end the world as we know it
posted by corb at 5:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [33 favorites]


On Monday, I decided to start a break from my vices of choice. We'll see if I can survive this debate sober.
posted by defenestration at 5:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


i had a capri-sun and i already drank it. let's do this
posted by Foci for Analysis at 5:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


Tiff Maples in the family box tonight!
posted by phunniemee at 5:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


any fun twitter people to follow?
posted by Foci for Analysis at 5:52 PM on October 19, 2016


I've got you guys open in one tab, and today's Great British Bake Off semi-final on YouTube in another. (DON'T SPOIL ME)

Let's do this.
posted by tzikeh at 5:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


If it hasn't been mentioned yet, Stephen Colbert has a string quartet scoring the debate live.
posted by neroli at 5:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


How the everloving fuck can anyone seriously still be "undecided"?

well, you see, both sides are equally—

*collapses, blood gushing from his ears*
posted by entropicamericana at 5:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


Sigh. You know, I think I'm going to follow mudpuppie's mental health practitioner's professional counsel and go hang the flying crank ghost on the porch to frighten children on Halloween.

I'm frightened enough already.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 5:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I used to work on a dairy farm. There was a giant shit lagoon next to the milking barns, between milking shifts someone would run a Bobcat through the barns and push the shit into the lagoon. Once a year the lagoon would be pumped empty and all the sludge would be sprayed onto the fields.

On the day the manure spreader dude would show up all the dogs that lived on the farm, and there were about a dozen, they would go absolutely nuts. It was dog heaven, they would would run for hours behind the manure spreader, eating and rolling in shit and the dead stuff that had fallen into the shit lagoon.

Watching mefites react to a fresh election thread reminds me of the perverse joy of manure spreader day.
posted by peeedro at 5:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [248 favorites]


It's almost three in the morning here in this part of the world. And the wine and popcorn are already gone. But we WILL watch.

We will watch...
posted by Namlit at 5:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I can't believe they're having the last one in Las Vegas. The first one woulda been okay, but the last one? It seems really suspect somehow.
posted by valkane at 5:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm at work. Someone get drunk for me please.

sure, happy to oblige.
posted by tivalasvegas at 5:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Welcome to the Thirtieth Quadrennial Election Games! May the Odds Be Ever In Your Favor!

*cannons fire*

posted by leotrotsky at 5:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


I'm watching on PBS and it's STILL a whiny real estate roundtable show.
posted by Sara C. at 5:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I have hit the point in the semester/ election cycle when I have to be doing something productive with literally every waking moment, so I'm not going to be watching the debate. I'm going to be trying to figure out how to use regular expressions in Python. I'm going to count on you guys and Twitter to let me know about anything really unhinged that happens.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


My son finishes swimming at 6 pm. Then the drive home, with a stop for Mexican food to take home to dinner. See everything and everyone on an hour delay. Go Hillary!
posted by Windopaene at 5:54 PM on October 19, 2016


I'm in a hotel room in Pennsylvania on work travel with asst spa goods (face mask, hand mask ((they make these!)) ) , cheese and beer. Lesss do thissss.
posted by Fig at 5:54 PM on October 19, 2016


Don't forget chat.metafilter.com for moment-to-moment chatter in a crowd of fellow mefites.
posted by uosuaq at 5:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


She's wearing her white Nomination Acceptance Speech pantsuit (or a very similar one).

Looked like different necklines to me. Convention suit had lapels; this suit appeared to be more mandarin-collar style. Open, breezy look versus closed-off neckline like a soldier ready for battle.
posted by sallybrown at 5:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Weyerbacher D'Tango Unchained here. Not to be confused with "Mango Unchained", my favorite orange foodstuff-related Trump moniker.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Especially with the Fox moderator. It's like shitbag debate in shittown hosted by shitforbrains.
posted by valkane at 5:55 PM on October 19, 2016


Actual quote from Texas megachurch pastor supporting Trump: "I don't want some meek and mild leader or somebody who's going to turn the other cheek."

yeah i mean why would you want that that would be ridiculous
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 5:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [190 favorites]


It'll all be over soon....it'll all be over soon....right?
posted by Shutter at 5:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


University president man talking up the university: "We're daring and we're diverse."

This diversity thing, it's like it's not even a controversial idea.
posted by zennie at 5:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm loving the white....

"From the lowest dungeon to the highest peak, I fought him.
Until at last, I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin upon the mountainside.
But it was not the end. I felt light in me again.
I've been sent back until my task is done.
And I come back to you now, at the turn of the tide."
posted by BlueDuke at 5:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [47 favorites]


Oh god Len Jessup with the tie and matching pocket square WHY
posted by mattdidthat at 5:56 PM on October 19, 2016


Pitcher of watermelon margaritas, check. Bowl of chocolate-caramel ice cream, check. Let's do this.

I like that Hillary is wearing her white power pantsuit again. She wore it when she accepted the nomination, and she'll wear it again tonight to show off that's she's going to be our next president. I can appreciate the symbolism. (Also, red, blue, and white, one for each debate. )
posted by PearlRose at 5:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


This is going to be like watching a drunken stevedore attempt to make passionate love to the tailpipe of a Studebaker.

Except less dignified.
posted by delfin at 5:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm going to read a Jasper Fforde book and live in fiction for a while. Have fun everyone, and don't let the country burn, okay?
posted by cooker girl at 5:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm not watching, television being known to cause brain damage
but I am reading
posted by philip-random at 5:56 PM on October 19, 2016


Oh no, I'm still going to be babysitting this giant ticking pressure cooker when the debate starts. Chicken stock better be worth it after I strain out the dregs.
posted by joeyh at 5:57 PM on October 19, 2016


Do we think the Trump cast of ghouls was brought in to heckle her Joe Wilson style? What are the odds someone actually interjects from the audience?

Yes and high. I'm more interested in the response of the CPD in terms of potentially pulling the feed or at least muting it and pointing at the backdrop, like during a pitch invasion or a streaker.
posted by holgate at 5:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am lying naked on the couch in my living room waiting for the c-span youtube livestream to begin. if anyone gets too upset by Trump, simply refer to this mental image. You are welcome.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


Congrats, USA, we are now officially the WWE of the entire world.

i would sell every last one of you in this thread right to satan for a chance to see hillary hit donald with a folding chair and then give him the people's elbow
posted by poffin boffin at 5:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [117 favorites]


I like that Hillary is wearing her white power pantsuit again

Phrasing?
posted by jammer at 5:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [109 favorites]


Ha! I was just tuning up myTwitter follow list https://twitter.com/florenjust/lists/debate2016

Taking requests folks!

Can't believe how this preshow is all about the weaponization of invitations... and how negative they are expecting it to be.
posted by butterstick at 5:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"they're tricksy, those clintonses, yes, precious, i hates them"
posted by pyramid termite at 5:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]




Argh. I was just robbed (only $150 though), I don't have enough liquor, and my living room floor is just the bare subfloor. Not sure I can handle this unless Trump bursts into flame or something equally satisfying.
posted by aramaic at 5:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


wearing her white power pantsuit again.

Sounds more like something trump would wear.
posted by spitbull at 5:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Actual quote from Texas megachurch pastor supporting Trump: "I don't want some meek and mild leader or somebody who's going to turn the other cheek."

From the article: Donald Trump - who is pro-life, pro- religious liberty

Blech.
posted by iffthen at 5:58 PM on October 19, 2016


Rushed home from my medical treatment and am patched up, woozy, armed with orange soda, and ready to go.

Chatted with a nervous HRC canvasser today and reminded him Hillary's got this. And she does.
posted by mochapickle at 5:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Bah Gawd, that's Kaine's music!
posted by cmfletcher at 5:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Talking to my parents earlier, I said, Hillary wore a red suit to debate 1, and a blue suit to debate 2, so surely she will wear white tonight? Yaaaaaay
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 5:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [36 favorites]




Only 1.5 hours left of this madness. Let's get through this together.

Wallace is admonishing the crowd. That was highly effective in previous debates.
posted by Justinian at 5:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


If anyone is curious about why the debates start at 6:03, it's clearly because PBS is STILL PLAYING COMMERCIALS FOR MASTERPIECE THEATRE.
posted by Sara C. at 5:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Chris Wallace looks almost as old as I remember his dad, Mike Wallace being. What does that mean?
posted by valkane at 5:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


thanks butterstick !
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:00 PM on October 19, 2016


"Las Vegas is the only city that was built to host people"

Interesting take on the "hostess" term.
posted by mattdidthat at 6:00 PM on October 19, 2016


What's happening at 3 o'clock sharp? Where is this debate? LOL.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


No hootin' and hollerin'. This isn't an episode of Married With Children.
posted by guiseroom at 6:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


That's a very white audience.
posted by antinomia at 6:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Weyerbacher D'Tango Unchained here.

Anything Weyerbacher is going to be a good choice for the debates. My favorites are sweet and smooth - and have a high ABV.
posted by booksherpa at 6:00 PM on October 19, 2016


It means I'm old!
posted by valkane at 6:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Congrats, USA, we are now officially the WWE of the entire world.

Were we ever not?
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Digital artist Ben Snell is baldstreaming the debate, with Trump's hair digitally removed.
posted by moonmilk at 6:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Wallace is actually doing a much better job of that admonishment than the previous two admonishers. Probably still won't work, but oh well.
posted by Shmuel510 at 6:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I say Clinton either closes tonight with new oppo droppo or it breaks mid-morning tomorrow (unless something spectacularly good happens for her tonight.)
posted by sallybrown at 6:01 PM on October 19, 2016


O'Keefe just said we live in a post-decorum society. How quickly we have adapted to Trump.
posted by Tarumba at 6:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Everyone repeatedly reminding the audience to be silent during the debate is honestly one of my favorite parts of this whole process.
posted by gracenote at 6:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


I got 4 Hands Incarnation and Citywide Pale Ale. They are my new fave local brewery.
posted by asockpuppet at 6:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Take a shot every time someone says "gamechanger".
posted by Sangermaine at 6:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


After listening to the audience being admonished, I have to ask, why even have an audience? If you have to spend all your time making a big deal out of telling them to shut up, and they still don't listen, just do it without an audience.
posted by zachlipton at 6:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


I am lying naked on the couch in my living room waiting for the c-span youtube livestream to begin.

so, where does the fish go, quonsar?
posted by pyramid termite at 6:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


For work I have to go through and catalogue a large set of nasty Instagram images, many of which are anti-Clinton memes. Like this one.

This is the backdrop to my debate viewing/listening and thread participation.

On the plus side, I have wine.
posted by Superplin at 6:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Gamechanger x2
posted by mattdidthat at 6:02 PM on October 19, 2016


Made it home just in time. Bottle of Gamay at the ready.
posted by obliquity of the ecliptic at 6:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Phrasing?

Horribly unfortunate. I'm very sorry; too much margarita, too little comfort with typing on mobile.
posted by PearlRose at 6:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Now he's mad because a woman has talked for too long. Sorry, that was the last debate, just calling it early.
posted by adept256 at 6:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


After listening to the audience being admonished, I have to ask, why even have an audience? If you have to spend all your time making a big deal out of telling them to shut up, and they still don't listen, just do it without an audience.

Humans are weird, and having other people in the room changes the dynamic.
posted by Shmuel510 at 6:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Anyone know why these things always kick off at 9:03?

Within a few minutes, yes. They're all scheduled for 9 PM (Eastern, 6 Pacific .)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:03 PM on October 19, 2016


After listening to the audience being admonished, I have to ask, why even have an audience?

Right. Or have mics calibrated [1] so that it's virtually impossible to hear anything but the candidates.

[1] there's probably a more official word for this
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I just came in to say good luck, we're all counting on you.
posted by mcstayinskool at 6:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm drinking a Two Kilts Brewing scottish ale, and eating chai masala popcorn, and my wife is with me and our cats are hanging with us, one of 'em nestled right between the two of us and purring like she somehow can't understand that Trump is a general election candidate. Let's go.
posted by cortex at 6:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Tom Brokaw is saying Clinton's job is not to take the bait if Trumpmtries to bait her. (real)

Clinton: Dude, baiting is *my* job! (fake)
posted by Gelatin at 6:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Katy? You ok?
posted by The Noble Goofy Elk at 6:04 PM on October 19, 2016


The eagle on the backdrop behind the podiums looks a lot like the Anheuser-Busch logo.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Why do they even have a live audience? What's the point?
posted by Sangermaine at 6:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


WHITE PANTSUIT. Well done, mefi
posted by Torosaurus at 6:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Chris Wallace sure is full of himself.
posted by valkane at 6:04 PM on October 19, 2016




They can "walk"?
posted by Namlit at 6:05 PM on October 19, 2016


Dang I hate Chris Wallace's adenoidal squawk. He's explaining the format, it's basically the same as the first. Wallace decided the topics. The audience promised to remain silence but that's been a joke thus far.
posted by winna at 6:05 PM on October 19, 2016


Get in losers, we're all going shopping.
posted by FelliniBlank at 6:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


In the first debate they shook. Second they went near each other. This time it's quite clear, they just went straight to their podiums.
posted by mhz at 6:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Now, let's start the Family Feud!"
posted by mattdidthat at 6:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


All White pantsuit for HRC. Nice. It conceals the lightsaber well.
posted by petebest at 6:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


No shake. Scotus 1st question.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:05 PM on October 19, 2016


Starting with the Supreme Court. Excellent.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


No handshake!
posted by mattdidthat at 6:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm going to try to keep up with this thread, but y'all are so prolific. I haven't been able to keep up with the last two.
posted by limeonaire at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


First topic the Supreme Court.

'Where do you want to see the Court take the country? What's your view on how the Constitution should be interpreted?'
posted by Panthalassa at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016


Chris Wallace seems to be from another era
posted by Flashman at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


It's kind of a leading question to ask whether "the Founders' words mean what they say". It's an unfair way to frame that debate.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Mean what they say," what a toad of a question
posted by Countess Elena at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


For the record her lipstick is on point.
posted by prefpara at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Shit first question.
posted by glhaynes at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016


My partner said it's not fair when Hillary goes first because she knows what she's talking about. LOL
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


"What's your view on how the Constitution should be interpreted?"
posted by erratic meatsack at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016


NO DONALD STOP FUCKING WITH YOUR MICROPHONE HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING?!?!
posted by joedan at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


Trump started fiddling with his mic the second Clinton started talking.
posted by winna at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clinton asks: what is the Supreme Court for? Whom is it for?
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's messing with the mike already?
posted by chaoticgood at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


She looks like a billion bucks - perfectly composed and ready. Donald already squinting and moving around. I hate how he slightly shows his teeth once in a while.
posted by sallybrown at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Talking to my parents earlier, I said, Hillary wore a red suit to debate 1, and a blue suit to debate 2, so surely she will wear white tonight? Yaaaaaay

Red, blue, white... That's what, the Serbian flag?
posted by kleinsteradikaleminderheit at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Trump needs to stop messing with his microphone.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016


Chris Wallace seems a bit nervous. Poor guy, I can't imagine that kind of stress.
posted by butterstick at 6:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Founders words can mean something and the document still be interpreted flexibly.
posted by Gelatin at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016


Ooh yeah Donny, you square up that mic. You get that mic right where you want it. We don't want to miss one second of your sniffing.
posted by phunniemee at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


I kind of hate when Hillary answers first because Trump usually takes elements from her answers.
posted by Tarumba at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


"If you choose not to remain silent, everything you say can be used against you..."
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


uh, Trump just grabbed the mic and moved it, er, bigly. I believe the candidates were instructed in previous debates not to touch the mics at all.
posted by zachlipton at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016


Wallace: "The next president will almost certainly appoint" at least one supreme court justice. ALMOST CERTAINLY, with only 8 justices. Maybe he's just being realistic?
posted by zennie at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Kind of surprised that Trump is shutting his mouth.
posted by Talez at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016


hey let's all shout NO HANDSHAKE at the same time 1 2 3 go
posted by poffin boffin at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


she's gone full Tilda Swinton with that outfit. Trump looks like he should be staring out of the window of a compound.
posted by any major dude at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Do you believe the Founders' intentions are sacred, or are you a traitor?"
posted by jackbishop at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Stand up for roe v. Wade.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


DONT TOUCH THE MIC DUM DUM
posted by The Noble Goofy Elk at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump can't stop fucking with his mic
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016


Roommate just pointed out he hasn't sniffed once yet. So if that was part of your drinking game, I'm sorry.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump trying desperately to break his microphone before ever speaking.
posted by Sys Rq at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]



Talking to my parents earlier, I said, Hillary wore a red suit to debate 1, and a blue suit to debate 2, so surely she will wear white tonight? Yaaaaaay

Red, blue, white... That's what, the Serbian flag?


Is also Pepsi.
posted by asockpuppet at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy cats, Trump can barely keep his eyes open. He must have dialed back his schneef intake to avoid the sniffing problems from the first two debates.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump squinting. Silently. As HRC answers the Supreme Court question, jab to senate for not confirming Garland.
posted by petebest at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I don't like the way that Wallace phrased it as being about the Supreme Court "taking" the country in a direction. The SC is fundamentally reactive and not proactive.
posted by dhens at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


HRC would make me so much happier if she answered questions directly (like this Supreme Court "how should they interpret the Constitution?") rather than leading off with an attempt at being generally inspiring. Makes me wonder if I'm just not the typical voter that way, 'cause there's gotta be some reason politicians always do that shit.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hillary's being very forthright and direct and strong -- "this is me, if you like it fine. If you don't, there's the door, motherfucker."
posted by FelliniBlank at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Moderator: "The first topic is the Supreme Court"

Clinton: "...we need a Supreme Court that will stand up for women's rights and on behalf of the LGBTQ community"... also against Citizens United.

"It's important that we not reverse marriage equality, not reverse Roe v. Wade, stand up against Citizens United..."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


My live take: My husband is in the next room over and decided right now was an awesome time to crunch things in the garbage and recycling, unload the dishwasher, wash the dishes... I'm already annoyed and wound up.
posted by limeonaire at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Did Clinton say anything about how on the off chance that the Republicans don't filibuster her nominees she'd like X?
posted by vuron at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016


Hillary wants the Senate to confirm Merrick Garland, it sounds like.
posted by Panthalassa at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Like HRC slamming the GOP about blocking Garland.
posted by dhens at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


My heart is pounding.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


trump is groping the mic
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton: President nominates, Senate advises (or not); but they go forward with the process.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


TRUMP V. RBG. Great.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump gets 30 words in before he starts airing dirty laundry. Who had 30 words in the pool?
posted by savetheclocktower at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Is it me or does Trump look more pink than orange tonight?
posted by zachlipton at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


All White pantsuit for HRC. Nice. It conceals the lightsaber well.

Well, I was thinking more like a katana.
posted by FJT at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


For tonight's debate we have Gracious Trump.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary's hair is flaaaaawleeeess! 🎵

Trump's hair looks like dirty cotton candy.
posted by zennie at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


lol right out of the gate with "the mean woman said mean things about me" re Ruth Bader Ginsberg
posted by Greg Nog at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [49 favorites]


Hahaha he's still mad at Ginsburg and he thinks now is the time
posted by Countess Elena at 6:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


Second Amendment!!!! That's all he needs to say
posted by Liquidwolf at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Within about eight seconds, Trump's answer is already about a woman who didn't speak in ways he approves of. Heckuva job, Donald.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [65 favorites]


She didn't commit to keeping Garland as the nominee.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump seriously sounds ill. He's always kind of gravely but he sounds outright hoarse tonight.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"should my opponent win this race - which I don't think will happen"
posted by mhz at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I like that he's starting mellow because it'll make the crazy seem more pronounced later
posted by mcstayinskool at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Is it just me, or does Trump sound particularly hoarse?
posted by Panthalassa at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump is hitting this one out of the ballpark! Great start.
posted by Flashman at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Fuck, he is obsessed with his victimhood.
posted by chaoticgood at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Trump: someone told me to talk about the second amendment if they brought up that big court thing
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hills rolled her eyes at his '20 justices' comment
posted by Torosaurus at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's not gonna sniff, even if it runs down his fucking face.
posted by valkane at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump is starting very weak, went onto a derail referring to the insult by Ruth Bader Ginsburg
posted by Tarumba at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ha. Look who's talking about statements that "should never have been made."
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


LMAO at the RBD diss, is he going to threaten to take her off the court?
posted by moonlight on vermont at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump looks sick.
posted by DynamiteToast at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary talked about womens righrs, LGBT rights, and citizens rights vs. Corporations rights. Trump talked about 2nd Amendment rights and Notorious RBG badmouthing him.
posted by sweetmarie at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


The second amendment is under "trauma" according to Trump.
posted by erratic meatsack at 6:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Roommate just pointed out he hasn't sniffed once yet.

Yep. He's awkwardly gulping in air through his mouth like he's never done it before. Countdown to burptown:
posted by Sys Rq at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump sounds nervous as hell.
posted by Justinian at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


stay away from my Notorious RBG
posted by angrycat at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Clinton: articulate, on point, intelligent

Trump: whhhhaaaa?
posted by cooker girl at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump" "The Supreme Court, it's what it's all about....something happened recently where Justice Ginsberg made some inappropriate comments towards me..."

"We need a SCOTUS that will uphold the 2nd amendment...because it's under siege...under such trauma..."

"The justices I will appoint will be pro-life and have a conservative bent..."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016


Maybe since many of the founders approved of slavery, owned slaves, and raped them, there are reasons to question whether we should take everything they said as gospel.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [45 favorites]


"We'll have a second amendment that is a very very small replica of what we have now."

I have no idea what he means by that.
posted by winna at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [26 favorites]


yes, he does sound hoarse
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump: He's hoarse. Very low key - starting slow.

Went after someone who had to apologize in like the second sentence. The court would be a "small replica" of what we have now, but we are all under such trauma (?). I've named justices, 20 of them, tremendous respect, they are conservative, they would interpret the constitution as the founders wanted, I don't think justices should decide it the way they want to hear. The way the constitution was meant to be. (end 2 minute open for Trump)
posted by petebest at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I don't know if this is crazy/paranoid, but if you listen to Trump's audio it sound like some kind of FX is applied. Perhaps a compressor, noise gate, or some kind of de-esser to cut out the sniffing? And is this par for the course?
posted by druss at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


T.D. Strange: "She didn't commit to keeping Garland as the nominee."

No reason on earth to do so — it won't get her any votes, and it's probably not who she wants in the first place.
posted by savetheclocktower at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yeah he's very low energy. Noticeably so.
posted by bologna on wry at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump sounds like he's about to keel over. If I didn't know the venue, I would assume he's reading woodenly off a teleprompter like he does.
posted by jackbishop at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016


The Trump Supreme Court has 20 justices.
posted by guiseroom at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


He's fucking with the mic because he sat out the walk through.

DJT - will appoint pro life justices.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


First thing de had to do is to put down a woman. Way to go, buddy.
posted by Namlit at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Of course he has to explain Heller so Trump understands.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


yeah donnie is perhaps in shock.
posted by vrakatar at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump is so low energy. Sad!
posted by defenestration at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


He pivots from the Supreme Court to complaining about apologies? And then hammers on the Second Amendment?

Trump: I've named 20 justices to be nominated. (Real) Like you'll get to appoint that many, jerk.
posted by Gelatin at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Thought for a sec Trump would complain about RGB's shot at Kaepernick but how silly am I getting? Obviously he was thinking of himself. Always.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


30 words? That's 16 more than I expected.
posted by Xyanthilous P. Harrierstick at 6:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump does realize that this is a debate and not the Festivus "Airing of Grievances" ritual?
posted by vuron at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [40 favorites]


"It's all about the Constitution"

What about the Benjamins, Mr. Trump?
posted by mattdidthat at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Is Trump declaring vendetta against Justice Ginsburg?
posted by at by at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


God, he's trying to pretend to give a fck about strict constitutionalism and he's just so empty. Literally that American Psycho "inside there's nothing" monologue. Bret Easton Ellis, come collect your dude.
posted by moonlight on vermont at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [33 favorites]


"The Constitution the way it was meant to be" sounds like someone talking about a movie "the way it was meant to be seen."
posted by gracenote at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump is incoherently stumbling toward an interpretation of the constitution that is focused solely on the founders' ideas.
posted by winna at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016


He said "the justices that I am going to appoint..." and she said, "The type of people I would be looking to nominate..." Tiny thing, but it bugs me when he is incorrect about SO MANY THINGS and she takes such care to speak so precisely.
posted by aka burlap at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [107 favorites]


ok, they kept it clean during the first question, no direct attacks
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016


Maybe he means that he will encourage people to buy derringers to fit a smaller hand.
posted by Strange Interlude at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary looks amazing tonight. WAY better than previous debates. Whereas I saw someone on Twitter (I think?) mention that Trump always looks like he is wearing three suits at once.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


"We'll have a second amendment that is a very very small replica of what we have now."

WHAT IS THIS A 2ND AMENDMENT FOR ANTS?
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [111 favorites]


Trump seriously sounds ill. He's always kind of gravely but he sounds outright hoarse tonight.

I bet he's been shouting a lot.
posted by Jalliah at 6:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Moderator: Guns.

Clinton "I support the 2nd amendment."

"But I also believe that there can be and must be reasonable regulation."

"We have 33,000 a year who die from guns." Cites gun show loophole.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Clinton: "You mentioned the Heller decision"...

Trump: *uh oh I have no idea what the hell that is*
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Trump is cosplaying as a reasonable (if nonsensical) human being. I think he'll slip within 15 minutes.
posted by defenestration at 6:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


She is clear, concise, nuanced and smart. Discussing Heller.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:12 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump seriously sounds ill. He's always kind of gravely but he sounds outright hoarse tonight.

Candidates' voices are always in shreds by this point in the campaign. I'm astounded that Clinton's has held up so well-- I'm guessing she has a good voice coach.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I actually felt like Hillary looks a little tired tonight. But I wonder if there's a difference in lighting or angle—I'm watching the C-SPAN feed.
posted by limeonaire at 6:12 PM on October 19, 2016


Why is he moving so much less in Debate Three did someone feed him formaldehyde
posted by Greg Nog at 6:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't know if this is crazy/paranoid, but if you listen to Trump's audio it sound like some kind of FX is applied. Perhaps a compressor, noise gate, or some kind of de-esser to cut out the sniffing? And is this par for the course?

He's prepping for the 8 minute freestyle beatboxing planned for later.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


>Donald already squinting and moving around. I hate how he slightly shows his teeth once in a while.

That's the cocaine.
posted by Catblack at 6:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


He's been coached. No weird faces. No interruptions. Monotone, quiet responses. He just stands there and looks stern. Cocks his head and looks down his nose at her every once in a while.
posted by zarq at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


I'm pretty sure mental illness like PTSD wasn't a thing when the 2nd amendment was written.
posted by Tarumba at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Candidates' voices are always in shreds by this point in the campaign. I'm astounded that Clinton's has held up so well-- I'm guessing she has a good voice coach.

It's almost as if taking 2-3 days off the trail before a debate is a good idea and not evidence of inability.
posted by Justinian at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [26 favorites]


Great, Chris Wallace throwing it to Trump asking him about Hillary's reaction to DC v. Heller instead of talking about the issue itself. Take that shit to MetaDebate, Chris.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Theory: if Trump manages to stay as even-keeled for the rest of the debate as he did for the first question, he will still lose. When he acts normally, his base (the alt-right) loves it but the rest of the country hates him. When he acts calm and as close to normal as he can, his base hates him for not being a frothing lunatic, and the rest of the country...still hates him because he's shown what a monster he is.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


This second amendment issue is the stupidest question in the world and I hate everything right now.
posted by erratic meatsack at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


IIRC it's more than dozens of toddlers, isn't it?
posted by Countess Elena at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016


He's trying to frame her as the angry one. Interesting tactic there.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016


Last debate, Trump burned through his talking points in about 25 minutes before he went into unhinged free-association mode. Any guesses on how long he lasts this time before ditching his coached responses and starts ranting like a drunken mobster again?
posted by at by at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


OMG he has no idea what the Heller case is. Blah blah upset, blah blah Scalia, wow
posted by moonlight on vermont at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Love how she calls him Donald and not Mr. Trump
posted by sweetmarie at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump conjures the tired ghost of Scalia. Take a drink!
posted by mochapickle at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: "Well, the D.C. vs. Heller decision...she was very angry about it."

"But Hllary was extremely upset and extremely angry. And people who support the 2nd amendment were extremely upset."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's been coached. No weird faces. No interruptions. Monotone, quiet responses. He just stands there and looks stern. Cocks his head and looks down his nose at her every once in a while.

It won't last.
posted by asockpuppet at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Is Chris Wallace leading Trump?
posted by Talez at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Clinton can maintain her voice because she's using body doubles for most of her events. Sad!
posted by vuron at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


The strangers I'm with at the bar are all noting Trump's lack of sniffing.
posted by rtha at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Looking into Trump's eyes is making me sleepy.
posted by glhaynes at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016


HRC: I support 2A. Can/must be regulation. Support 2A doesn't mean want ppl to threaten or kill ppl. Gun statistics. Background checks. Close gun show loopholes. Sensible reform. None conflict with the 2A. Explanation of disagreement with Heller decision (toddlers away from guns in DC?)

CM: This was the top question asked. Trump, how will you protect 2A, do you believe her?

Trump: DC v Heller she was very angry and Scalia was so involved, and it was a well-crafted decision but she was extremely angry and peopl were very upset with what she had to say

CM: HRC were you upset?

HRC: Yes I was upset because dozens of toddlers are injured with guns. But supporting 2A isn't in conflict of sensible regulation. NRA supports Donald, they're against me, which is too bad that because we can pass reasonable regulation.
posted by petebest at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


Supporting regulations is not in conflict with the 2nd amendment. H
posted by Sophie1 at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clinton can never seem to remember that the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments exist when she talks about the Supreme Court, and that makes me very wary of basically every single one of her race and/or criminal justice and/or incarceration related talking points.
posted by likeatoaster at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Dozens of toddlers killing people with guns"

WHERE ARE THESE KILLER TODDLERS?
posted by mattdidthat at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump tries to explain how he feels about D.C. versus Heller sounds like an eighth grader doing a book report based on the preview for the movie.
posted by winna at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


SNIFF #1
posted by FelliniBlank at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


He's been coached. No weird faces. No interruptions. Monotone, quiet responses. He just stands there and looks stern. Cocks his head and looks down his nose at her every once in a while.

Maybe he's been coached, but I don't think he's capable of sticking to any kind of mental discipline. Hillary has repeatedly shown that she can easily bait him. He'll break down when one of his sore points comes up.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm pretty sure mental illness like PTSD wasn't a thing when the 2nd amendment was written.


I know when it was written, it was illegal to store gunpowder in one's home in Massachusetts.
Seems the Constitution was a Living Document back then.
posted by ocschwar at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ugh the gun subject is taking too long.
posted by Tarumba at 6:14 PM on October 19, 2016


I feel like Trump may have actually prepared for this one.
posted by modernnomad at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016


I wonder how long the "composed Trump" facade will last.
posted by Gelatin at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016


The sniffing has begun. Just counted two in his word salad on the 2nd Amendment.
posted by vickyverky at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


He got close to a sniff.
posted by valkane at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016


Hearing Trump talk about this at all is just making me feel super unsafe in this country.
posted by erratic meatsack at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016


SNIFF
posted by mattdidthat at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump: [In areas where we have] "the toughest laws and you have tremendous gun violence."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016


Oh God. Abortion.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Doubt any voters are changing their mind over this little 2A debate.
posted by kingless at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016


Actually, the moderator has been better than I expected in this first segment. He's serving stuff up to Trump as nicely as he can, but he's fair so far.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ooh. Chicaaaago again.
posted by Namlit at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016


He's been coached. No weird faces. No interruptions. Monotone, quiet responses. He just stands there and looks stern. Cocks his head and looks down his nose at her every once in a while.

Of course he's been coached, but he's shown himself time and time again to have a complete lack of discipline and, dare I say it, stamina. He won't last 30 minutes before he cracks and go back to his natural dumpster fire mode.
posted by joedan at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump: 'I am pro-life and I will be appointing pro-life judges.'
posted by Panthalassa at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016


When it's Trump's turn to respond, he (obviously, because he's a sexist) won't stop talking about how "extremely angry" and "extremely upset" the ruling made Hillary. Hilariously, this just gave more time to Hillary to respond (since he mentioned), then when it was his turn he talked about Chicago. Clearly knows nothing.
posted by DynamiteToast at 6:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


clinton should have focused much more on the 2a during her campaign. it matters A LOT to lots of people
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016


An actual question about Roe!
posted by chaoticgood at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016


Evangelicals are not impressed by his waffling on Roe v. Wade. hahaha.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016


Wallace is absolutely trying to help Trump do well. I suppose it at least gives him less of an argument to blame the media for his defeat later.
posted by Dr_Janeway at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016


Wallace: Mr. Trump, you are pro life

Is he? Is he really?
posted by Gelatin at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


3? This isn't the first time he's acted like he can clear 'em out
posted by Countess Elena at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016


Nothing on the Supreme Court happens automatically, son.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


The sniffing has started
posted by danapiper at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016


Oh, Trump. You don't win the suburbs by saying that the court is going to overturn Roe-v-Wade.
posted by Justinian at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wow that abortion question dodge. Holy shit. He's choosing his words so utterly carefully.
posted by Talez at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]



WHERE ARE THESE KILLER TODDLERS?

Toddlers are deadly.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


The way followup questions work are good for Trump. He isn't required to stall with two minutes of word salad.
posted by charred husk at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016



Clinton can never seem to remember that the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments exist when she talks about the Supreme Court, and that makes me very wary of basically every single one of her race and/or criminal justice and/or incarceration related talking points.


Yup. I'm voting for her, but the honeymoon ends at midnight on Taco Tuesday.
By noon on Chalupa Wednesday, it's back to civil liberties agitation against her agenda, AFAIC.
posted by ocschwar at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


Looks like we're 15+ minutes in and no interruptions by Trump. No payouts on that betting pool.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Going to go out on a limb here and say Wallace doesn't ask a climate change question, meaning we'll go through the entire 3 Presidential debates without a single question about the biggest issue in human history.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [59 favorites]


The sniffing has begun. Just counted two in his word salad on the 2nd Amendment.
There goes my theory (although the sniffing still seems reduced...)
posted by druss at 6:16 PM on October 19, 2016


Fucking hell. Donald talking about gun violence in Chicago despite their gun laws. It doesn't matter if Chicago has strict gun laws if there are places nearby that don't. They've studied it thoroughly. The guns are coming in from Indiana and states in the South. It's known as the Iron Pipeline.
posted by bluecore at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [56 favorites]


Wallace is actually pretty good, holding trumps feet to the fire.
posted by valkane at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Do you want to see the court overturn Roe v. Wade?"

Trump: [paraphrase] If that happens with the justices I want to appoint, that will happen, then it will go back to the states to decide.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I will defend Planned Parenthood."
posted by sweetmarie at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Snifff
posted by Namlit at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016


DJT: "I am putting pro-life justices on the court."

Not yet.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016


Hillary scores by tying Roe v Wade to decisions about health care. Quite right.
posted by Gelatin at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


I love that she said states are putting restrictions on "women," and not on "abortion."
posted by mudpuppie at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [55 favorites]


Trump is massively coked up, he keeps showing his teeth
posted by Tarumba at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


> Candidates' voices are always in shreds by this point in the campaign. I'm astounded that Clinton's has held up so well-- I'm guessing she has a good voice coach.

That and iirc her last major speaking appearance was last week, so she's had time to recover her voice while Trump's continued stumping.
posted by at by at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: Before we go further, Chicago has the toughest laws. I'm a big supporter of 2A, I'm proud to have the endorsement of the NRA, don't know if she was saying that sarcastically. We're going to appoint justices that will feel strongly about the 2A

CM: Let's pick another divisive issue and the justice that would come up and that's abortion. Mr. Trump do you want the court to overturn Roe v Wade.?

Trump: If that will happen that would go back to the individual states.

CM: But I'm asking you if you want to see that

Trump: if we put another 2-3 justices on, that will happen automatically because I'm pro life
It will go back to the states.

HRC: I strongly support Roe v. Wade which guarantees the constitutaion right of a woman to amek the most difficult decision I can imagine, but it's not just about Roe v Wade, it'as about states taht are putting stringent reguation that defund Planned Parenthood that supplies cancer screenings. I will defend PP, I wil defend Roe v. Wade, and I will defend a woman's right to make their health decisions. He's said there should be some form of punishment
posted by petebest at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


That was a great answer from Hillary on the abortion question. She knocked that out of the park.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [43 favorites]


I wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for.
posted by Liquidwolf at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [56 favorites]


She should've said women and men can get testing from Planned Parenthood.
posted by limeonaire at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


She's schooling the nation on Roe v. Wade. Yay.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


So far the questions are all serious policy questions. This is extremely impressive, honestly.
posted by DynamiteToast at 6:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Evangelicals have shown that they really don't give a shit about what happens six days of the week as long as you profess to love Jesus on Sunday.
posted by vuron at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Fuck Wallace. "You've been quoted as saying the fetus has no constitutional rights."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Donald's glass looks giant in his tiny hand!
posted by sweetmarie at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is the Guns, Gays, God, and Abortions debate isn't it? We're 2 for 4 on that so far.
posted by asockpuppet at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ah, the first needle -- Clinton saying Trump said women need to be abortions.
posted by Gelatin at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016


Mighty fidgety over there. Hand trembling on water glass. I'd feel bad if it was someone else
posted by Countess Elena at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


After two debates of showboating, we're actually getting down to substance in this one. I am impressed.
posted by Shmuel510 at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"partial birth abortion"

Framing. Just, complete crap.
posted by mhz at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Partial birth abortions? Really? Fuck you, moderator.

Her answer is on point but come on.
posted by lydhre at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


I keep asking "who's that dude standing to the left of the President, and why are they letting him talk?"
posted by uosuaq at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


I wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for.

With his money? Zero.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


WTF Chris Wallace? How about lobbing some hard questions at Trump too? (hint: he's not really pro-life) Just because Hillary is more competent in every way doesn't mean Trump should only get softballs.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Vuron, that's a bit uncharitable. No group is all one thing or another. Sure, there are many evangelicals that are crazy and hypocritical, but not all.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Not that much sniffing, but massive jaw grinding, and he's already drinking water
posted by iffthen at 6:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is extremely impressive, honestly.

Wait for it
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump: 'I am pro-life and I will be appointing pro-life judges.'

The idea that he may have paid for someone to get an abortion is high on everyone's speculative oppo droppo list. But that's not the kind of droppo that Hillary can do on the debate stage.
posted by holgate at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


KISSY LIPS!
posted by at by at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016


Rip the baby out. What. The. Fucking. Fuck.
posted by Talez at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [42 favorites]


He doesn't get that late-term abortions are for fetuses incompatible with life, does he? Jeez.
posted by vickyverky at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


Wallace trots out that canard about late term abortion and Clinton rightly points out that late term abortion is the "most heart-breaking decision".
posted by winna at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016


>I wonder how many abortions Trump has paid for.

I don't know, but I bet they've been the best abortions.
posted by Catblack at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Wallace throws Clinton what should be a softball asking about her vote against the late term abortion ban, which was monstrous. Clinton's answer is passionate and spot on.
posted by Gelatin at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh boy, one of Carly Fiorina's old hits. This one has gotten doctors killed
posted by Countess Elena at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Not crazy about this moderator and his leading questions BUT we aren't talking about emails so I'm OK so far
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hahaha Hillary saying that gov does not belong in that decision, so now Democrats are supporting small government!

I know she's not, but it's weird that conservatives are so invasive
posted by Tarumba at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Good use of calling Donald on his "scare rhetoric."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [27 favorites]


I was speaking with a local homeowner in Minnesota when he made mention of my (lack) of accent, and I said that I was from the Chicago area. He proceeded to joke about how 'those' people in Chicago all stay there because they can't handle the cold further north. Said homeowner also had a confederate flag near the back of the property.

This is what I hear every single time Trump singles out Chicago for some terrible statistic.

On a related note, I've always heard that Chicago gun laws are mostly moot because they all just pop over from Indiana 15 minutes away. Is that anywhere near correct?
posted by Lykosidae at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm sure the Trump foundation has paid for a few abortions.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


You guys I don't know if I can do this. This is AWFUL. These questions and Trump's responses are just too much.
posted by erratic meatsack at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Moderator: do youse guys like abortions or do you hate babykilling
posted by Greg Nog at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [56 favorites]


Clinton: "That is not what happens in these cases."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Ignoring the health of the mother -- he's just going straight to describing babies being "ripped out."
posted by vickyverky at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Wow, she's spitting fire tonight. I love this Hillary Clinton!
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


NOT WHAT HAPPENS
posted by The Noble Goofy Elk at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Annnnnd the Trump quotes anti abortion nonsense propaganda, and Clinton contradicts him on it. Good.
posted by Gelatin at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wait, what? I feel like he is massively misinformed about what late-term abortion is. And he is just massively misinforming the nation. Wow.
posted by limeonaire at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [30 favorites]


Clinton can never seem to remember that the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments exist when she talks about the Supreme Court
likeatoaster

I think you're referring to support for surveillance programs with the 4th, but how does she oppose due process, the right against self-incrimination, the right to a speedy trial, a fair jury, or the right to an attorney?
posted by Sangermaine at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


I think Trump just came out against C-sections
posted by Jacen at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [55 favorites]


Who says anything about the "ninth month"?
posted by Namlit at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wallace is hitting Clinton harder, but I think getting some tough questions is playing to her strengths. She is fucking fierce on the abortion questions.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Goddamn, HRC. She is slaying this answer.
posted by asockpuppet at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Her answers on abortion are excellent.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Every time Wallace poses a follow-up question Trump, he frames it in a way that will lead him to an answer and not an overreaction.
posted by defenestration at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wow Hillary is amazing with these answers on abortion.
posted by No One Ever Does at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh, good, here comes the wall. Let's hope he goes over it.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Partial birth abortion is not a term!!

I am so grateful to have Clinton speaking up for women and families. And yes for sure, Trump has definitely paid for multiple abortions.
posted by areaperson at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump: "I think it's terrible what Hillary is saying, that in the ninth month you can just rip the baby out of the womb. That's not okay. On the final day."
Clinton: "Well, that is not what happens, and using that kind of scare rhetoric is just [terrible]."
posted by Superplin at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [39 favorites]


CM: you supported ban on late term partial birth abortions

HRC: I voted as a senator because I didn't think that was against Roe v. Wade, that at the end of a pregancy they get terrible news about the pregnancy, I don't think the government should tell a woman what to do.

Trump: if you take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother you can say that's okay and hillary can say that's okay but it's not okay with me you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the woman on the last day

HRC: That's not what happens and using that scare rhetoric is not appropriate. You should meet with some of these woman that I've met and no one should tell women that have to face these decisions. China used to force abortions, and in Romania and there are placs in the world where women do not have the right.

Trump: Nobody has any business doing what I just said, two or three days before the birth.
posted by petebest at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


great fucking answer Hillary
posted by skewed at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ok. Interrupting the moderator. He's starting to crack.
posted by Talez at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


fuck you Fox, how the fuck does this scumbag get to be the moderator
posted by any major dude at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Clinton is absolutely fiery in standing up for women's right to choose and it is fantastic.
posted by winna at 6:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


As a parent who, with my wife, had to choose a selective reduction to save our twins, we are cheering Clinton here and giving a huge "FUCK YOU" to Trump.
posted by zarq at 6:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [127 favorites]


This is RIDICULOUS. Trump is claiming that abortion happens on the day before a baby would be born. Insane.
posted by DynamiteToast at 6:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hillary's answer about abortion has me so, so proud.
posted by chaoticgood at 6:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


Her answers on abortion are everything.
posted by melissasaurus at 6:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


I love how angry she sounds about the abortion question.
posted by aka burlap at 6:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, no one has business doing what you said because NO ONE IS DOING WHAT YOU SAID with regard to late-term abortion. Gross, Trump.
posted by limeonaire at 6:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Lol. A lot of issues that separate you.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


He is so full of shit about abortion. She is super solid.
posted by Superplin at 6:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is this the first mention of the wall that has come up in any of the debates?
posted by wabbittwax at 6:21 PM on October 19, 2016


Hillary's defense of Roe v Wade and late-term abortion was beautiful.
posted by Room 641-A at 6:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


Trump [paraphrase]: "No one has the right to do that [abortion] one or two or three days before birth."

WHAT.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:21 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump: "ICE endorsed me." No they didn't.
posted by vickyverky at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]



I'm sure the Trump foundation has paid for a few abortions.


Shitty vindictive me wants this to be the next thing that comes out after this debate but compassionate me does not want any woman who went through that via him to be dragged out in public.
posted by asockpuppet at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


Wall salad. No policy.
posted by firstdrop at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


He is using these grieving women so openly. I hate to think how they will feel when they are discarded
posted by Countess Elena at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump: "We have no country without borders."

The first technically true statement he's made ce soir.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think Trump just came out against C-sections

Weird for someone who basically is trying to be America's Julius Caesar.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Oh, the Trump verbal diarrhea on immigration. I want to build a wall between Trump's mouth and my ears. I'll even pay for the wall.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


trump is doing relatively good for being trump, though
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016


There's our first good sniff.
posted by Windigo at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


New Hampshire has a real problem with Mexican drug trafficking
posted by wabbittwax at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Sniffles are official
posted by mhz at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


First sniff!
posted by box at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh the sniffs are terrible now that he has the mic so close to his nose.
posted by zachlipton at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Don't worry everyone, he's going to get the bad druglords out. The bad hombres.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


We're going to get the bad hombres out.
posted by sweetmarie at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump is about to mention precious bodily fluids. So close.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


Bad hombres?! What?
posted by danapiper at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Trump's cadence is speeding up. The self control is wearing off. And it's Wallace giving him the immigration question doing it. Amazing.
posted by Gelatin at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


CHIN STROKE PREVENTS GUFFAWS.
posted by wenestvedt at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Immigration is Trump's signature issue and he can't get through a 2 minute monologue without repeating himself 4 times.
posted by pjenks at 6:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


BAD HOMBRES
posted by modernnomad at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


SNIFF!
posted by spitbull at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


CM: Immigration

Trump: She wants to give amnesty. We need strong borders. We have audience members of four mothers - I've gotten to know them - whos' children have been killed by immigrants. Thousands. Drugs are pouring in, we have no country if we have no border. She wants to give amnesty

(Getting a little heated up here)

Trump: They want strong borders, I was in NH the other day the biggest complating is the problems caused by HRC and Obama the big problem is heroin pouring in the borders. We have to have strong borders. Keep the drugs out. We get drugs they get cash. We need strong borders we need absolute we cannot have amnesty. I want to build the wall, they - ICE - we, need the wall we have bad bad people who have to get out we will get them out and secure the border and once we get the wall built we'l get them out and figure it out later.
posted by petebest at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


"We have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out." [real]
posted by vickyverky at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


The sniffing has begun, he's starting to break. Woooo
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


“Bad hombres”? For fuck’s sake.
posted by savetheclocktower at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


First sniff!
posted by rbellon at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yes I do think that "unbelievable" is the longest word in his active word supply.
posted by Namlit at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Here we go. Twenty minutes is all he can last with his personality on a leash. SNIFF
posted by chaoticgood at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


well ok he's rambling now
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump literally cannot stop being hideously and shockingly racist.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Those answers on Roe v. Wade... Clinton using "healthcare" to describe abortion care, that resonates so loudly. "I do not think the United States government should be stepping in to make those most personal decisions." I see in her jaw and brow and hear in her voice the frustration of a thousand thousand thousand thousand women. It is just so satisfying to see.
posted by amnesia and magnets at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [80 favorites]


"We have some bad hombres here."
fucking eat me you dorito crumb piece of shit
posted by phunniemee at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [94 favorites]


Immigrants poison the blood of our youths [paraphrase]

Wow
posted by Golem XIV at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Wall salad. No policy.

Walled-off salad, surely?
posted by holgate at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


"Bad hombres" lol sigh goddamit
posted by dhens at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


And first sniff of the evening.
posted by Gelatin at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016


I was prepared to vote for Hillary because it was necessary to stop Trump, but I can proudly vote for the Hillary who showed up tonight. She just won me completely over in the first 20 minutes.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [57 favorites]


Bad bad people! (named Leroy Brown)
posted by mattdidthat at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump closes with "We have some bad hombres coming here and we gotta get 'em out." Bad Hombres needs to be a mariachi doom-metal band
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [36 favorites]


Seriously furious with him right now. How dare he accuse people of aborting babies a day before they were due to be born. That does not fucking happen you slimy mealy-mouthed asshole motherfucker.
posted by zarq at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [73 favorites]


Apparently Trump thinks New Hampshire has a southern border over which drugs are coming. MASSACHUSETTS, WUT UP.
posted by Westringia F. at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [43 favorites]


[Reminder that for the sake of this thread's comment count, chat is a great place to e.g. repeatedly shout BAD HOMBRES, regardless of how silly.]
posted by cortex at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [30 favorites]


"We have some bad hombres here." I'm just shaking my head.
posted by mochapickle at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's really hard to imagine a better visual example of a person who is in way over their head than Donald Trump talking about New Hampshire's Mexican heroin problem.
posted by feloniousmonk at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


The unknown quantity of Nyquil he's on is not keeping the sniffles at bay.
posted by riverlife at 6:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Shit, many illegal immigrants pay more taxes than you, Trump
posted by Tarumba at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


Omfg...bad hombres? Are u kidding me
posted by sexyrobot at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I'm the only hombre you have to worry about, Mr. Trump." [fake]
posted by one_bean at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016


Don't do stats, Hillary. Tell stories.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


brb, registering @badhombre Twitter account
posted by mattdidthat at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


I think this has been Hillary's best debate of the three so far despite an extremely Trump-friendly slate of questions and Trump-friendly framing of those questions.
posted by gerryblog at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton: cogent. Trump: Word salad.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Looking forward to the bad lipreading on that chin rub she just did.

Meanwhile, I did my best to ignore what Trump said, while mentally replaying her awesome answer on abortion. First time I've wanted to stand up and cheer during these debates.
posted by chortly at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump has repeatedly been doing something new for him: opening his mouth to interrupt and then closing it again. This is sort of a remarkable development.
posted by cortex at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [45 favorites]


Reminder: provide context or take it to chat.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Was Clinton writing down points for her answer while Trump was speaking? I was only listening then, but she's clearly glancing down and looking at notes or something while giving this answer.
posted by Justinian at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think they coached him not to interrupt her until the last half. Pretty sure they just figure that's an awesome strategy, he just wasted it in the last two debates by going hard early.
posted by koeselitz at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016


"He choked"

he's gonna have to respond to that
posted by mhz at 6:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH HOMBRE TO SCALE THE PRESIDENT'S WALL?
posted by Strange Interlude at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [72 favorites]


Has anyone secured the "Bad Hombre" sockpuppet account yet?
posted by Aznable at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016


he choked!
posted by any major dude at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016


HILLARY has no plan to protect us against the Frito Bandito! I, DONALD TRUMP, will keep our corn chips (we have the best corn chips, let me tell you)... I will keep our corn chips safe, believe me!
posted by entropicamericana at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Someone needs to make a Bad Hombre Trump shirt stat. As we type someone is definitely already on it. Beat them to it, MetaFilter!
posted by Sangermaine at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


HRC: I met a woman here Carla who is worried. I don't want to rip families apart. I don't want to see the deportation force that Donald has talkeda bout . we have 11M ppl undocumented with 4M children, he said weeks ago that . . . . we'd have to have a massive law enforcement presence to round up undocumented and we'd ahve to put them on trains and buses to get them out of our country. That's not who wwe are as a nation and an idea that would rip our coutnry apart.
I voted for border security in the Senate, and my plan of course secures the border but resources need to be put on getting rid of any violent person we shoudl deport them.

When he gets to the wall, he met witht he Mexican president and he choked, the Mexican president said they're not paying for that.
posted by petebest at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Is Clinton's use of "trains" (which are a relatively small part of passenger travel in the US) in relation to deportation supposed to be an allusion?
posted by dhens at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [26 favorites]


He choked!
posted by Otherwise at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hombres?! Trump is three for three debates on blatant racism. I actually gasped aloud.
posted by Miss Scarlet with the Candlestick in the Lounge at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeap, she was taking notes
posted by Tarumba at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016


Baiting out the Mexican president remark. OH MR TRUMP.
posted by Talez at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bad hombres in this country.

BTW, fact check. East coast heroin comes from Asia. West coast comes from Mexico. We know that because of the hiv epidemic spread on the coasts among people who use injection drugs.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Holy hell. Hil with the meta godwin.
posted by butterstick at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


"Hombre" was not in my drinking game rules but it's 2016 so here we are.
posted by tofu_crouton at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Que onda guero Trump?
posted by asockpuppet at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's nodding when she's talking about the ad absurdum example of the law-enforcement presence that would be needed to enforce the wall idea, as if OF COURSE we would want to have police everywhere, combing our schools for illegal immigrants, why wouldn't we want that?
posted by limeonaire at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]




Watching Trump listen to Hillary makes me laugh.
posted by kingless at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit he's going for it.
posted by Talez at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016


Bad hombres are gonna vote your ass to not so richland, mr. trump.
posted by valkane at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I had a very good meeting with the president of Mexico. Very nice man."

I totally lol'ed.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


She baited him with the trip to Mexico thing and he immediately snapped.
posted by maxsparber at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Who gets to play Bad Hombre on SNL?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Trump: "Hillary Clinton wanted the wall..."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016


She brought up him "choking" in Mexico when talking to the president. Baiting him!!
posted by aka burlap at 6:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Apparently Trump thinks New Hampshire has a southern border over which drugs are coming. MASSACHUSETTS, WUT UP.


Maine's governor thinks it's our black community that's supplying the heroin. The kooks really should compare notes.
posted by ocschwar at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Now he's arguing with the moderator. While she laughs. Beautiful.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


He just walked into that, talking about how Hillary voted for a wall.
posted by mhz at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016


Hillary: 'the Mexican President saying "we're not paying for that wall"'

(well avoided use of the profanity in the actual quote)
posted by iffthen at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


DID WALLACE JUST YELL TRUMP DOWN?! FUCK YEAH.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [26 favorites]


Hillary slams down the "Trump choked in his big meeting with the Mexican president" card. And for the first time, Trump interrupts Wallace about to *ask him a question*.
posted by Gelatin at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I wish when talking about the huge round-up of immigrants, she would mention the increase in the size of the federal government and the massive of amount of money this would take.
posted by chaoticgood at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ah, but he can't help interrupting sometimes... not sure how long he can keep up the facade.
posted by koeselitz at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeeahhh...how'd that wall work out for Berlin? Or China, for that matter.
posted by sexyrobot at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Right cross with that choke quip!
posted by Burhanistan at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Thank you to the people actually doing recaps rather than reacting.
Toddler update: she keeps claiming to have a dirty diaper. Sounds like she might be psychic.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


"We will be doing very much better with Mexico on trade deals, believe me." - Trump

"Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - Ralph Wiggum
posted by bologna on wry at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump has just gone from slightly pale orange to bright red when Wallace wouldn't let him keep talking. In an instant.
posted by uncleozzy at 6:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


She is bringing it home on his use of undocumented workers and it's beautiful
posted by Countess Elena at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


"The President of Mexico, very nice man, whose name I'm not actually saying because I've forgotten it."
posted by jackbishop at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


Yes I have been vindicated. Her greatest zinger of all delivered on his main issue.

WHEN HE MET THE PRESIDENT OF MEXICO HE CHOKED!!!
posted by bukvich at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


There's your Bigly, bingo players
posted by mcstayinskool at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


Ha ha yes calling out his use of undocumented labor. Better yet, she can MLA cite that off the top of her head if asked to.
posted by asockpuppet at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME.
posted by Talez at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016


arguing that Obama has indeed deported people? off-brand, dude.
posted by acidic at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary bringing up the "met the Mexican President and he choked" was a pre-planned phrase to poke Donald so he'd lose his cool. And it's working.
posted by bluecore at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


She is visibly angry and I am enjoying it but lord knows how it is playing with misogynists which is most of America.
posted by winna at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


He just trollin' with "bigly" at this point.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary accused Trump of hiring illegal immigrants!!
posted by Tarumba at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump: I want to respond to that. Mexico is very nice, we'll do better with trade believe me. Hilary wanted the wall but she never gets anything done, but

HRC: I voted for border security, there are limited places where the wall is appropriate but there's also technology but it's clear that Donald started his campaign that bashes immigrants and he has a different view. I'm also arguing that bringing in undocumented immigrants from the shadows will make them safer. Trump used undocumented people to build the Trump Tower and when tey complained he said he'd deport them.

Trump; Obama has deparoted millions of people but she doesn't want to say that but he's deported millions, bigleague.
posted by petebest at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Clinton: "Donald knows alot about this. He used undocumented labo[u]r to build the Trump Towers."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Stop trying to make bigly happen. It's not going to happen.
posted by wabbittwax at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh snap. She is taking him to task for exploiting undocumented workers.
posted by chaoticgood at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


I think Faust made a worse deal than NAFTA.
posted by Small Dollar at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Haha. "I want to continue Obama's policies."(not actual quote)
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016


"That's what just happened, big league" - do those words make sense? HE JUST SAID "big league" again. Is that really a thing?
posted by guster4lovers at 6:27 PM on October 19, 2016


Did he just drop 2 "bigly"s in the same sentence?
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Out of the shadows! Love it.
posted by Namlit at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


trump abused workers to build his tower in khazad dum
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


This may be relevant only to Springsteen fans like me, but NYC public radio host Brian Lehrer proposed live-Tweeting the debate using only Springsteen lyrics. Please enjoy #BruceTheDebate.
posted by Miko at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


He's not responding to the undocumented working on Trump tower.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


CHRIS WALLACE IS PUSH POLLING.
posted by Talez at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Look at her smile as he loses it.
posted by chaoticgood at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is Trump trying to demonstrate that he can have self control. And Hillary is needling him juuuuust enough to ... Oooh.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016


I heard two "biglys" but I think I saw his mouth say "big league." Alas.
posted by vickyverky at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016


Oh, is that "bigly"? Terrible either way.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016


Wallace quoting from Wikileaks now. Told you.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


He DOES say "bigly". Proof.
posted by Namlit at 6:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Unfortunately, Trump's abortion answer is essentially the reason he will get the votes he does. That is the single issue the many Republicans I know vote for, and there's really no changing their minds on it. The best compromise I can imagine is maybe illustrating the efficacy of making birth control affordable and available - I think some reasonable Republicans could be persuaded if they truly believed it would result in far less abortions.
posted by areaperson at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I like how she's already trying to "clear up her position on this issue" and the moderator keeps interrupting her to tell her he wants to do so.
posted by limeonaire at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump is trying out Pence's head shake.
posted by klarck at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016


"Obama deported millions of people... Hillary Clinton wants open borders." Uh huh. Since those are polar opposites, which side are YOU on, Donald?

wish it was open borders, but both of you are cool with deportation, so
posted by koeselitz at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Whoever had Wikileaks on your bingo card, take 3 shots straight.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Chris Wallace fucking push polled that one with making sure to mention that amount she was paid.
posted by Talez at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


OK, how the FUCK is the moderator quoting a Wikileaked speech? And quoting her speaker's fee? Unless he also quotes Trump's fee for speeches, I call utter bullshit.
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [39 favorites]


"He choked" was the switch into a diluted version of narcissistic injury protocol.
posted by holgate at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


What's important about Wikileaks is not the actual leaks but the Great Red Bear Who Wants To Hit You With One Of Those Creepy Orthodox Onion Top Palaces
posted by Greg Nog at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Rules or no rules, I always love it when I see a woman who just keeps on a-talkin' even when a man is trying to stop her.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [87 favorites]


there are more undocumented asian immigrants these days than undocumented latinx immigrants.

a wall won't do shit.
posted by qcubed at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


I actually agree with her about Wikileaks/Russia, but I think this is the wrong tactic to respond with.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wtf wiki leaks is an acceptable source now?
posted by Tarumba at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016


Did he just drop 2 "bigly"s in the same sentence?

Adverbs are hard.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


I cannot believe that he keeps using the word(s) bigly/big-league in such a venue.

30 minute mark coming up, I wonder if when he's going to implode.
posted by porpoise at 6:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


She needs to get off the Russian thing.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


"The Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans"—say it! Say that Trump egged them on to do so. C'mon. Here we go.
posted by limeonaire at 6:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Secretary Clinton: Julian Assange says you are a criminal. What kind of criminal are you?" [fake]
posted by uncleozzy at 6:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Argh, don't go off of the Russians.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:30 PM on October 19, 2016


Now we're off the rails. Took 27 minutes.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Shut up for america!
posted by jazon at 6:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I like that she's angry, and I like that it seems to have turned her into some kind of a fiery-eyed warrior ice queen.

His anger basically turns him into a rambling sniffling red-faced clown.
posted by invincible summer at 6:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [49 favorites]


Wallace shushing the audience as Trump sarcastically comments on Clinton's "nice pivot."
posted by vickyverky at 6:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


What face is he trying to make?
posted by The Noble Goofy Elk at 6:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wallace hits her on the hemispheric market line from Wikileaks, and Hillary says, "Well, if you read the rest of the sentence...." And then explains how it was an energy question. Says the most important question of the evening is whether DJT will reject Russian espionage and the support of Putin -- we've never had anything like this happen in the election.

Beautiful.
posted by mochapickle at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [37 favorites]


I'm stunned that Trump noticed - and identified - Hillary's pivot from the border to Russia.
posted by klarck at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


The Syrian American border. So porous.
posted by firstdrop at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Wallace: "This can end up getting out of control."
"GENTLEMEN! YOU CAN'T FIGHT HERE! THIS IS THE WAR ROOM!"
posted by at by at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [50 favorites]


I've got to say this talk of Wikileaks was a terrible response for a debate. She was able to focus on what the actual content was about and yet still went the wrong way.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Interesting, the Russian thing seems to have set Trump off. He's in full ramble mode now.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Aaaaand 28 minutes in and he's back in dumpster fire mode.
posted by joedan at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


If you had nuclear warheads on your bingo card, he's talking about them now.
posted by vickyverky at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016


can you see Vlady's soul Donald?
posted by any major dude at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Donald has emerged.
posted by bologna on wry at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


"I don't know Putin"
posted by mattdidthat at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


NO YOU'RE THE PUPPET! Ha
posted by koeselitz at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [42 favorites]


Trump cuts another Clinton ad by shaking his head when she asks if he will condemn Putin and the Russian attempts to interfere with the election.
posted by Gelatin at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016


"You're the puppet. No, you're the puppet." [real]
posted by phunniemee at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [46 favorites]


You're the puppet!

Now I want sock puppets
posted by Torosaurus at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"no puppet, no puppet... you're the PUP-pet"
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


HOLY SHIT. "PUTIN WOULD RATHER HAVE A PUPPET"
posted by Talez at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


Pivot off immigration??? That was a pivot off trade. Trump isn't even paying attention.
posted by yeti at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump, to Kermit the frog: No, YOU'RE the puppet. [fake]
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


sniff sniff sniff. wow
posted by dhens at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


And then DJT goes off. The line about Putin was perfect, delicious bait he couldn't resist.
posted by mochapickle at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's starting to crack now...
posted by PorcineWithMe at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wow. He might actually come unhinged tonight. “Choked” earlier and now “puppet” — I think it's her strategy to take tiny jabs at him all night until he's frothing with rage.
posted by savetheclocktower at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


Trump sure didn't like being called a puppet. "YOU'RE THE PUPPET!" "YOU'RE THE PUPPET!"

Is everything Trump says projection or only 90%?
posted by Justinian at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


I feel like if Trump says Putin has no respect for Hillary, it makes him look unpatriotic af
posted by Tarumba at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh man, she called him Putin's puppet and that blow totally landed.
posted by lydhre at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


. . . . . . . person
posted by Sys Rq at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


I love how visibly amused she is. It makes her ease so clear
posted by Countess Elena at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


He was doing so well for the first thirty minutes.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wallace is repeatedly trying to interrupt Trump to prevent him in his lunatic wandering. It's working progressively less well as things go along.
posted by chortly at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Eh, reading the back scroll, I don't think she can hammer him hard enough on the Russia thing. Has a presidential nominee ever called for another nation to hack the opposition—and then gotten it? I mean... Hahaha, she got a "No you're the puppet" out of him. Hilarious.
posted by limeonaire at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump's "no you're the puppet" is classic YOU KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?
posted by craven_morhead at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Clinton directly attacks Trump as a puppet of Putin.
posted by winna at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


He always hangs in a Mussolini stance.
posted by vrakatar at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Trump: (another big leagued);

CM: (Trying to get the crosstalk down) You were paid $25M from a bank and you said your dream was open borders, do you want that.

HRC: You should have read the rest of teh sentence where I was talking about energy and bringing energy across boarders. But since you mention wikileaks . . Russian government gave that to Wikileaks from Putin himself as 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed so the most important question of this evening that Trump will finally admit and codemnt that Russians are doing this. That he rejects Russian espionage, that he encourage in the past. We've never had to have this conversation before

Trump: great pivot on open borders there. She wants more people than Barack Obama we'll stop radical Islamic terrorism in this country.

I don't know PUtin, I don't know him, he's said nice things about me. If we can get along well that would be good. He has no respect for her he has no respect for our president, we're against a country with hundreds of nuclear warheads and she's playing chicken . . .

HRC: Because he wants a puppet for President

Trump: No puppet! No Puppet! . . You're a puppet

HRC: You'll sign up for the Putin line, sign up for his wish list . . . this is an unprecendented situation we ahve 17 intelligence agencies taht these espionage attacks come from the hightest levels of the Kremlin designed to influence of the election

(Crosstalk)
posted by petebest at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


He'd rather have a puppet. Boom.

(and Trump goes third grader -- no you are)
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


"He [Putin] said nice things about me." Trump (real)

This is what matters to this man.
posted by cooker girl at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Trump: 'No YOU'RE the puppet! No, you're the puppet!'

He really said it twice because...???

2016, everybody.
posted by cjelli at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


"YOU'RE A PUPPET, NO, YOU'RE A PUPPET."

Seriously, he is so easy to bait it's untrue.
posted by triggerfinger at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


The pivot was brought about by Wallace.
posted by tommyD at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016


If the audience aren't allowed to make any noise whatsoever without getting told off, what exactly was the point of having them there in the first place?
posted by dng at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


His frown goes way past the edges of his lips. It looks drawn on.
posted by The Hamms Bear at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think she prepped for the split-screen by watching Kate McKinnon's "look at the unhinged person" bits. Or by getting Kate McKinnon to stop by and help her with her prep sessions.
posted by holgate at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


Did he just drop 2 "bigly"s in the same sentence?

Adverbs are hard.


Speed, meth, shake, jerk
Fucking adverbs, how do they work
posted by iffthen at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


She keeps pressing the cyber espionage. That's a great response. It's exactly what we should be focusing on.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well folks, it was a valiant attempt at a reasonable debate. Too bad it didn't last.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hillary, things were going great until you mentioned Russia. You don't need to attack.
posted by charred husk at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016


HOLY SHIT HE'S TAKING IT.
posted by Talez at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


And Trump went NO YOU'RE A PUPPET

YOU'RE A PUPPET

I cannot stop thinking about towelie
posted by Tarumba at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Wow, Hillary raising her voice was excellent. Reminds me of the Benghazi hearings.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


To Wallace's credit, he's not letting either candidate bowl him over.
posted by savetheclocktower at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Once again Trump is dancing to Clinton's tune. She says he'd be a Russian puppet -- rhwtoric that takes me back to my Cold War childhood -- and Trump says "no puppet! No puppet!"
posted by Gelatin at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I've figured out Trump's internal dialog that explains his constant microphone adjustments. "You know I’m automatically attracted to microphones—I just start adjusting them. It’s like a magnet. Just adjust. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."
posted by nathan_teske at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


"No, you're a towel!" [fake]
posted by Johann Georg Faust at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Damn. Donald is screaming at Chris Wallace
posted by Sophie1 at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm not convinced she's taking the wrong tack with the Russia thing.
posted by glhaynes at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


"Putin is not my best friend." [Real]
posted by Torosaurus at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Look at Clinton's smile! She's grinning while Trump is ranting.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


"She doesn't like Putin because Putin has outsmarted her at every step of the way." Uh.
posted by limeonaire at 6:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


It seems like Wallace is trying to interrupt Trump and shut him up when he goes off on his most ridiculous tangents. Am I reading this right?
posted by phunniemee at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Of course I condemn! I don't know Putin!" [real]

I thought they were buddies?
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


That was a great excuse to pull out my puppet's twitter account (yes, an actual fleece puppet). Thanks Trump!
posted by guster4lovers at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016


Oh my god. That is the clip.
posted by Flashman at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Remember when Trump was all proudly telling us how he knew Putin (so he looked like he knew foreign policy) because they were "stablemates" on a tv show?
posted by zachlipton at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


"He doth protest too much" about Putin. I think Trump has a man crush on Putin.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


Trump went crazy in the last third of the first debate, and the first third of the second debate. I guess we should've figured he'd go crazy in the second third of this debate.
posted by DynamiteToast at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's so defensive. It's just delicious.
posted by chaoticgood at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


I guess Hillary knew what she was doing. She's certainly pressed Trump's buttons.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


He does not like Hillary laughing at him.
posted by sporkwort at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


The partial-birth abortion answer got another donation out of me, but I may have jumped the gun, judging on this puppet thing. Tonight could get expensive.
posted by rewil at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


Did anyone have 9:34 on the first "wrong" interruption?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Softball: Mr Trump are you against Russian cyberattacks/espionage?
posted by klarck at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016


"Putin has outsmarted you." Projection for fifty points.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


Mr. Wallace, we cannot allow for a nuclear weapon gap.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:35 PM on October 19, 2016


Apparently Russia took over the Middle East while we weren't looking per Trump.
posted by winna at 6:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


The great thing about her new confidence is that she's willing to allow the Righteous Anger to show. It's great. I wish rampant sexism hadn't forced her to keep it under wraps for so long.
posted by chortly at 6:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [43 favorites]


Such praise for Putin!
posted by Flashman at 6:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yayyy Trump started interrupting with WRONG!

Insane idiot.
posted by Tarumba at 6:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton: "This is a person who's been really cavalier about use of nuclear weapons ..."

Trump leans in to mic: "WRONG" [real]

Best Alec Baldwin move I've seen.
posted by vickyverky at 6:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [113 favorites]


I think Trump is hurting himself with the moderate voters right now and Clinton is lucky he's going ape as a response to her bait. If he kept it calm like he started out then she would be eating the Wikileaks response tomorrow.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"She has been outsmarted and outplayed worse than any person I've seen in government"—she just looks at the camera and smiles. Ahh, I can't wait to see Kate McKinnon do this on Saturday.
posted by limeonaire at 6:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


The first "wrong" interjection, I think.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:35 PM on October 19, 2016


I mean, I feel like I just saw Trump compose an oral love letter to Putin. That can't be good for him, and I am flabbergasted that Clinton managed to get him to do it.
posted by maxsparber at 6:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


Trump just wiped sweat off his upper lip
posted by any major dude at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: "I have 200 admirals and generals endorsing me...we're being ripped off by other countries..."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump: "You're out of order! This whole courtroom is out of order!" [fake]
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


"She has proven to be a liar"

"Well, I'm just quoting you..."
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [43 favorites]


It's "Pooot'n" apparently.
posted by Namlit at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016


"you're not gonna find a quote from me"
is the next Hillary ad, it will be out before the end of the debate, I think.
posted by mhz at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


He's bringing up this "rip off" thing again. He did that in a previous debate. It's weird that he's so fixated on the idea that our allies and treaty partners are cheating us.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Wow, Hillary raising her voice was excellent. Reminds me of the Benghazi hearings.

Her tone at the previous debates was so level and professional, and I think this is working too. Her passion is an excellent contrast to Trump's unhinged ranting.
posted by gladly at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


"PUPPET" was clear the signal word they Manchurian-Candidate-ed into his brain as a trigger to make him melt down and forget that he was trying to avoid interrupting her.
posted by koeselitz at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [64 favorites]




He's going to crack -- look at his neck muscles. He's trying to hold back the anger but is failing.
posted by nathan_teske at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is so great on split screen.
posted by joedan at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump: She' doesn't like PUtin because Putin has outsmarted her at every turn!

CM: The top national security officals have said that, do you condemn any interference by Russia

Trump: By Russia or anybody else. I don't know Putin?! This is not my best friend, but if we got along with Russia it wouldn't be all bad. Whether it's Syria . . if . . . take a look at the startup they signed, they create warheads and we can't she has been outsmarted by Putin - lok at the middle east and they've taken over. She's been outsmarted and outplayed

HRC: I find it ironic that he's raising nuclear weapnos he's been cavalier about nuclear weapons he's said we have them why don't we use them, the bottom line is that when the President gives the order it must be followed. There's about 4 minutes between the order and launch that's why the 10 people who have had that responsibility have come out in an unprecedented way to say they don't trust Trump with the nuclear button

Trump: I have 220 generals and military officials backing me. China is getting the bargain of the century because we can't continue to defend Saudi Arabia she's been a liar and prove it over again

HRC: Just quoting you saying nuclear defense, you're on your own, Donald wants to tear up the treaties I think we're only going to make the world safer
posted by petebest at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


On to the economy.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:36 PM on October 19, 2016


Good golly, Trump is *actually confirming* Clinton's characterization.

Trump: she's a liar

Clinton: I'm just quoting you.

She sounds tough.
posted by Gelatin at 6:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm so glad this dick isn't gonna be president.
posted by valkane at 6:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Clinton: "...the Kremlin."
Trump: "see, she doesn't know if [the espionage] is Russia or China!"

[Real]
posted by tofu_crouton at 6:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


The temperament and fitness question is last, isn't it? Wallace didn't put it there by accident. Will the last sight of Trump by tens of millions of people be a complete meltdown? I hope, I hope.
posted by Justinian at 6:37 PM on October 19, 2016


Did he start saying "I don't have any idea who Putin is" in there, around when the puppet comments were coming out? I definitely heard "I don't have any idea -" and then he switched to a different sentence.
posted by you could feel the sky at 6:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Again, Wallace on the economy is just feeding Trump talking points through his questions, giving his scatterbrain mind something to focus on.
posted by zachlipton at 6:37 PM on October 19, 2016


This moderator is awful. Completely leading questions.
posted by peacheater at 6:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Hmm, it's called allies. We have a lot of allies. This is bad?

Trump: "She's been proven to be a liar in so many different ways, this is just another lie. ... You're not going to find a quote from me."

Oh, there are lots of quotes from you, dude.
posted by limeonaire at 6:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


The left hook was "choked."
The upper cut was "puppet."

Put him on the mat, Hill.
posted by bluecore at 6:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [34 favorites]


Again, Wallace on the economy is just feeding Trump talking points through his questions, giving his scatterbrain mind something to focus on.

It may be, but he's not doing well with any of these supposed softballs if so.
posted by limeonaire at 6:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump taking notes while Clinton talks about helping small businesses, raising national minimum wage, equal pay for equal work.
posted by vickyverky at 6:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wallace might have lobbed some softballs but I think he's doing a great job of keeping the debate (relatively) on track and under control. He's not afraid to shout Trump down and stop Clinton when needed.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Now that he's blown up she can calm back down, slow down the pace, let him continue to shake himself to pieces like an out-of-balance clothes dryer.
posted by penduluum at 6:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


Wallace having a bit of a David Cross Pre-Taped Call-In Show moment.
posted by migurski at 6:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


Clinton *brings up* climate change. At last.
posted by Gelatin at 6:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Trump just took a note. Has he ever taken a note before?

Maybe it's just a drawing of boobs.
posted by uncleozzy at 6:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [38 favorites]


This is moving on, but I just wanted to flag the "Of course I condemn" statement by Trump. He will not come out and say "I condemn X" - he will only say "I condemn." This was true for the KKK and David Duke, and it's true for Russian interference.

What a childish tic.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


Hilldog feelin' the Bern!
posted by dhens at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


good god, can we get a moderator that asks some questions that aren't a retread of debate 1 & 2 questions?
posted by bologna on wry at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


When the middle class thrives, America thrives. Raise minimum wage. Energy jobs. Equal pay. Preschool. Apprenticeship. Free tuition. Bernie sanders. Again. Killing it.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


"I want to make sure women get equal pay for the work we do."

"We."

It matters that there's going to be a woman in the White House.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [197 favorites]


Lol, pendulum, that mental image <3
posted by moonlight on vermont at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016


I'm kind of annoyed at how the moderator is interrupting Clinton when she's in the middle of talking. He lets Trump finish which seems a bit off. Yeah he has interrupted Trump as he was interrupting but it's like he won't let Clinton finish a comment a few of these times.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


His "we are being ripped off by Japan(on security)" line goes all the way back to 1987!!!
posted by Yowser at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016


If you need some election mood-lightening, Owen Ellickson's take on the behind-the-scenes maneuverings of the Trump campaign are hilarious, and very, very long: Part 1 - Part 2 - Part 3 - Part 4 - Twitter
posted by JHarris at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


I cannot believe how bad he is at this. The "open borders" was such an easy jab for him, but because she mentioned Putin, he completely lost the thread. He even started talking about her pretty clumsy pivot, and then immediately took the bait.
posted by one_bean at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Women should get equal pay for the work we do."

WE. For the work WE do. Somehow, that hit me really hard. Not the work THEY do. We. Us.

On preview: damn.
posted by workerant at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [70 favorites]


"Trickle down economics on steroids".

Doesn't she mean.... TRUMPED UP trickle down economics? Are we not doing that anymore?
posted by Justinian at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump's notes are

<3 Mr. Donald Putin

Donald Trump Putin

Vladimir Trump <3
posted by Tarumba at 6:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [51 favorites]


Man, Trump is an absolutely shit poker player when it comes to conversations about Russia. The only topic that he takes more personally are actual personal attacks.
posted by at by at 6:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Guys there was just a new Wikileak release. Turns out Lorne Michaels donated $200,000 to the DNC in order to get that puppet remark into the exchange for an idea for a new SNL skit. [fake]
posted by Talez at 6:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump: "Her plan will double your taxes."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Does anyone have a list of things that haven't been covered yet in any of the debates? I haven't been keeping track, but after each debate I keep seeing people post lists of topics that didn't get hit. If anyone's got it, post it, please!
posted by limeonaire at 6:40 PM on October 19, 2016


TRUMP IS DOUBLING BACK TO DEFENSE. HOLY SHIT THIS DEBATE.
posted by Talez at 6:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ack. Why did she double down on "trickle down on steriods"
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I LOVE that Clinton said "I want women to get equal pay for the work WE do." Not 'they'.......we. I'm enthralled.
posted by but no cigar at 6:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Back on the allies cheating thing again? What's his deal with this? Why is he returning to this?
posted by Sangermaine at 6:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Our dog needs a walk and we are considering holding her over the toilet and hoping she figures out toilet training.

Also, Wendy Davis just posted about manterupting which is amazing.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [33 favorites]


"We're protecting them and they have to pay up?" What?
posted by Sphinx at 6:40 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump starts off by lying about Clinton's tax plan. Nice.

And then he goes back to the earlier topics. Sheesh.
posted by Gelatin at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016


He is pathologically incapable of not having the last word.
posted by Talez at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


One of my good friends is an ivy-educated SLAC history professor. During the debates, she lets her 10-year old son take over her Facebook, so I'm enjoying watching "her" post things like "Putin this Putin that Putin Bla Bla Bla Build a Wall Bla Bla Bla SHUT UP Wrong" and hearing them in her voice.
posted by bibliowench at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [74 favorites]


If you haven't seen this, it's worth seeing: John Green breaks down both the Clinton and the Trump tax plan.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


"We're gonna do a lot of things for college tuition but the public's gonna be paying for it." [real]

"We protect Saudi Arabia, but why aren't they paying?" [paraphrase that NATO are paying up and he deserves the credit for it] [real]
posted by vickyverky at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016


I'm kind of annoyed at how the moderator is interrupting Clinton when she's in the middle of talking. He lets Trump finish which seems a bit off. Yeah he has interrupted Trump as he was interrupting but it's like he won't let Clinton finish a comment a few of these times.

Wallace is the face of FOX, he's not here to help Clinton.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump still going on about NATO slouches.
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016


If it weren't for the way he is framing questions I'd say Wallace has done the best moderator job so far.
posted by charred husk at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


His regime.
posted by valkane at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wait... Trump is saying that his plan is to ask other countries for money? For welfare?
posted by tofu_crouton at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: [paraphrase] Apparently, because Trump brought it up, NATO countries have started "paying."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's going back to the previous arguement? WTF.
posted by lovecrafty at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump just took a note. Has he ever taken a note before?
Maybe it's just a drawing of boobs.


probably more of a Jackie Treehorn thing
posted by philip-random at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Guy needs to get [verbally] slapped. I can easily see how his confident interruptions could be read as "winning" by way of some kind of blunt machismo-admiration. I really don't like how the moderator and Hillary both let him do that. It's shitty and yet it appeals to assholes whose votes could be handy in punishing his ego for the remainder of his life.
posted by constantinescharity at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


uh, no. they were paying before you came in, shithead.
posted by qcubed at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016


oh god trump returns to the question of allies
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016


The economy is supposedly "his issue" and for some reason he is going back to foreign policy? He is coming unglued.
posted by chaoticgood at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016


"Economy, Mr. Trump. Your thoughts?"

"NATO! Let's get rid of it!"
posted by jackbishop at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


He keeps going back to paying fair share for NATO. Does anyone care about who is paying for NATO? I've literally never heard the gripe before the debates.
posted by craven_morhead at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016


Sorry, the moderator just went AWOL for this rewind to the previous question by Trump.
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016


By the way, every other debate moderator should be ashamed that the Fox News debate (alone) is staying largely on topic and on policy through the halfway mark.
posted by DynamiteToast at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


We're protecting them and they have to pay up? What?

Is he talking about international extortion? I am so lost, honestly. I thought we were talking about the budget.
posted by danapiper at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh please, please, please, turn this around talk of protection rackets to his mafia connections.

Also, is it cool that Obama has had a regime?
posted by mhz at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump is making alliances and coalitions sound like a protection racket.
posted by FelliniBlank at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Aha. Waffle is finally starting. Donaldwaffle.
posted by Namlit at 6:41 PM on October 19, 2016


OK, he must have done a stealthy coke bump in there with one of those sniffs.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016


Oh gawd. Obama's Regime. Trump is going full on stupid. That's another "your President" moment.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"We're going to do a lot of things to college tuition."

Uh oh.
posted by Deathalicious at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Ah cool, he'd gone a while without patting himself on the back for something, so I guess it was about time. "MY plan..." etc.
posted by limeonaire at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016


Wallace asked Trump about his economic plan, and Trump is talking nonsense about defence.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016



I'm kind of annoyed at how the moderator is interrupting Clinton when she's in the middle of talking. He lets Trump finish which seems a bit off. Yeah he has interrupted Trump as he was interrupting but it's like he won't let Clinton finish a comment a few of these times.


I interpret this as him believing that she has answered the question effectively and is respectfully following up for more information ( so she gets more points in the same time).

With Trump, he's just just letting him talk for the allotted time then telling him to shut up.
posted by ethansr at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Does Trump know that Japanese people can watch this? Why is he saying we can't be nice to them because they need to pay up?

And wtf do they need to pay for?
posted by Tarumba at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


He still sounds like a fifth grader, but this is his best performance.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


One of my good friends is an ivy-educated SLAC history professor. During the debates, she lets her 10-year old son take over her Facebook, so I'm enjoying watching "her" post things like "Putin this Putin that Putin Bla Bla Bla Build a Wall Bla Bla Bla SHUT UP Wrong" and hearing them in her voice.

I'm a Big Ten-educated Community College history professor and I approve this message.
posted by dhens at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


It's cool guys, she can speak Donald.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Heh, Trump doesn't realize he just insulted himself with that "You can't" remark.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


"We're going to terminate NATO."

That's one of the most insane things he's said so far
posted by schadenfrau at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


I feel like there are just way more things to do as president than renegotiate done deals. But maybe that's just me.
posted by limeonaire at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


No one can.
posted by ethansr at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016


"Let me translate that if I can, Chris."
"YOU CAN'T" (Sniff)
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


Trump: "We're going to terminate NAFTA and make new deals".

What?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Anyone else enjoy the sly burn with Clinton mentioning "real apprenticeships"?
posted by Rumpled at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [41 favorites]


His cadence just keep getting faster.

Also too: the preisdent can't unilaterally terminate NAFTA or any other treaty.
posted by Gelatin at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Clinton, responding: "Let me translate that for you."

Trump leans in to mic: "You can't." [real]
posted by vickyverky at 6:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [27 favorites]


Trump: [incoherence]
Hillary: "Let me translate that if I can"
Trump: "You can't"

[real]
posted by iffthen at 6:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [55 favorites]


Man, when he said "Obama's regime" her eyes flashed.
posted by aka burlap at 6:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"YOU CAN'T TRANSLATE CRAZY!!!"
posted by limeonaire at 6:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Is Saudi Arabia even in NATO?
posted by misterpatrick at 6:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh, don't say 'when my husband was president.'
posted by Windigo at 6:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump: akdfhaihfsdoadhfoadfhaod
Hillary: Let me translate that
Trump: you can't!

Trump's campaign: *facepalm*
posted by Tarumba at 6:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


Trump: *world salad about the economy*
Clinton: well, let me translate that if I can [real]

Lol
posted by lydhre at 6:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Obama cut the debt by 2/3. You do that by investing in people.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


CM: let's move to economy. You have different ideas. Taxes, regulations, Mr. Trump why will your plan create more jobs and your opponents plan will not.

HRC: When the middle class thrives America thrives. New jobs and clean energy to fight climate change and create new businesses. Small busineses will supply 2/3 of the new jobs. Raise the minimum wage. Women shoudl get equal pay for the work we do. Education should go from pre school to college, more technical colleges, make college debt-free and families making less than 25,000 there's no tuition if our plan is enacted (worked with Bernie sanders). The Wealthy will pay their fair share, corporations will make a greater contribution, experts have analyzed the economy will raise by 10 . . . . Donalds plan has been analyzed and will cost us jobs and possibly lead to a nother great recession.

Trump: first of all, her plan is going to raise your taxes and it's a disaster, and you can say all you want about tuition, but the rest of the public is going to be paying for it there's a massive tax increase under HRC> But I'd like to start off where we left, Japan and Germany, Saudi Arabia they have nothing but money, why aren't they paying - since i"ve said it they've started to pay up - I'm a big fan of NATO - she says she loves our allies but we have to say they have to pay. They have to pay. Doing Obamas regeime we've doubled our national debt, we'll have more free trade than we have now under my plan we're going to renegotiate our all trade deals. Our jobs have fled to Mexico and I'm going to renegotiate NAFTA, and if I don't make a great deal we'll terminate it and go a separate way becasue it's a disaster. Cut buseinss taxes massively, bring 2.3 T back into the country becasue our 1% GDP

HRC: Lemme translate that

Trump: You cant

HRC: I have said repeated ly I wil not raise taxes on anyone making $250k or less, I'll add not one penny to the debt, he'l add 20 T to the debt. We know how to get control the deficit (stories about Bill's admin cutting the deficit) Obama has cut the deficit by 2/3 one of the ways you do that is by investing in people is by skills training, a pro-eductation will work, cutting taxes on the welathy will not work.
posted by petebest at 6:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


She completely baited Trump into an attack on Bill in the economy rebuttal. T-minus 1 minute until Bill's affairs.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 6:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Forcing our allies to pay for us to keep our treaties with them? C'mon, Hillary, say it: "America is not a protection racket."

[not a thing she has said, a thing I wish she'd say]
posted by Pallas Athena at 6:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


trump is trying to communicate in International Pouty Lips
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


WHAT THE FUCK IS WALLACE DOING
posted by Strange Interlude at 6:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


I don't even get how this is happening. He's so fucking gross.
posted by chococat at 6:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Donald chimes in while Chris Wallace is doing the hit job on Clinton, because he isn't smart enough to let the moderator do his work for him.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [37 favorites]


Wait, the stimulus LED to slow growth? what the fucking fuck moderator you little vole
posted by Greg Nog at 6:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


Wallace cuts her off with a lie, Trump: "Correct". Wallace: "Thank you Sir."
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


I've watched the first ~35 minutes of this debate with no sound and no captioning, because Wednesday is my pub trivia night, so my audio has been either trivia or the Cubs- Dodgers game. Having no idea what they're saying, and judging only by their facial expressions and body language: Trump seems to be falling asleep whenever he's not talking, and half the time he is.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 6:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sugar dip for the Donald. Concentration gone. Astonishing that there actually was some to begin with.
posted by Namlit at 6:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump manterupts Wallace (!!!)
Wallace: "Thank You Sir." [real] (may I have another?) [fake]
posted by dhens at 6:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Thank you sir? Chris Wallace is a fucking shill
posted by any major dude at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Wallace doesn't even try to pretend he's impartial.
posted by kewb at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Poor fact checkers have to check the fucking moderators now.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wallace: "ARE YOU ACTUALLY OBAMA IN A MASK?!" [fake]
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Chris Wallace is a fucking nasty little shit.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


WHAT THE FUCK IS WALLACE DOING

Exactly what he's paid to do, cleverly frame the questions as Clinton attack lines.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


Trump's mic fiddling must be some kind of tell.....
posted by but no cigar at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wallace cuts her off with a lie, Trump: "Correct". Wallace: "Thank you Sir."

That was actually Wallace doing a good job. It was very clearly a "shut up, moron" remark.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [34 favorites]


H: "President Obama saved the economy. He doesn't get the credit he deserves."

Would you say he doesn’t get enough credit for all the credit he gave us?
posted by zachlipton at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [64 favorites]


His hand was trembling with that sip of water.
posted by cmfletcher at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary: "Obama doesn't get the credit he deserves" for inheriting and turning around a bad economy. Preach.
posted by mochapickle at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


Chris Wallace is holding Donald's hand through this whole debate.
posted by schroedinger at 6:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump just took a note. Has he ever taken a note before?

Same thought. I don't think so. It felt like definitely the first time I've ever seen evidence that he can write.

Trump's language is so fascinating to me, as gross as he is. The way he can't speak in anything but extremes. Everything is great, massive, huge, best, big league*, or on the other end, a disaster, worst, worst EVER.

His rhetorical tactics are that of a grade-school playground bully.

He's trying to do that "I'm grabbing the mic 'cause I'm so ready to respond" thing like he's in a rap battle, except this time it's not a large-penis-sized mic but a weensy little podium mic on a flex cable, which he has to manipulate with his tiny hands, and he realized it's not a good look and stopped.

|**Though it's not obvious to people unfamiliar with his particular flavor of fatuous NY accent, he is saying "big league," and always has been, though it's hilarious to suggest it's "bigly" because it gets his goat.
posted by Miko at 6:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Checkin' in with Kellyanne:

@costareports: "Bad hombres" = Trump being Trump
Trump's other answers = Conway-esque

@KellyannePolls: --- >
posted by lalex at 6:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


So Trump's plan creates jobs *over a 10 year period*... Doesn't he realize he gets 8 years max?
posted by iffthen at 6:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


she needs to start referring to him as P.T Barnum
posted by any major dude at 6:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wallace: "Mr Trump, even conservative economomists say you plans don't add up...your response?".
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Having Wallace here at all is a joke. He's a smarter Sean Hannity.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


IT'S A LOW NUMBER BECAUSE THEY'RE DEVELOPING COUNTRIES, YOU IGNORANT FUCK
posted by schroedinger at 6:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


DJT says he "just left some high representatives of India." What?
posted by mochapickle at 6:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Trump's refusal to accept intelligence briefing on Russia stuns experts

"Former senior U.S. national security officials are dismayed at Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's repeated refusal to accept the judgment of intelligence professionals that Russia stole files from the Democratic National Committee computers in an effort to influence the U.S. election."

Who's the puppet, indeed...
posted by dhens at 6:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Guys, calm yourselves. "Thank you, sir." was a rebuke. Not a connivance.
posted by Justinian at 6:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [33 favorites]


Yes! Clinton is givjng Obama his due credit for saving the economy, and contrasting investing in the middle class with what she rightly terms the failure of top down.

And Wallace follows by pointing out conservative economists say his projections are unrealistic.

And Trump compares the growth with developing economies of India and China?
posted by Gelatin at 6:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


China is growing because they are making Trump ties
posted by any major dude at 6:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I've made a lot of friends over the last year." Oh, and lost so many.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I've developed so many friends over the last year and they cry...

WTF?
posted by Sophie1 at 6:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I feel like Clinton should have gone harder on disagreeing with Wallace's premise there, that the stimulus made things worse. Appearing calm is smart but there's room there to tell people the truth, not accept the premise.
posted by penduluum at 6:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't know what I would do without you guys. And this mezcal. And the tacos I just ate. And the bar full of people of color where I'm watching this horror show. (And gingerbeer, who is out of town but on text.)
posted by rtha at 6:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


"do you really want to bring in fact checks?" [fake]
posted by mhz at 6:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"...before NAFTA kicked in, but it didn't really kick in" WTF ARE THE WORDS COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH RIGHT NOW.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:47 PM on October 19, 2016


Smaller economies do grow faster, though, percentage-wise...
posted by qcubed at 6:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


On my HDTV, it's pretty clear Donald's forehead is sweating profusely. Not Nixon levels yet, but there's still 40 minutes to go.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


One of the biggest of false equivalencies is thinking Fox News is an important alternative voice. They aren't journalists.
posted by mcstayinskool at 6:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


He's fully in stump speech mode.
posted by butterstick at 6:48 PM on October 19, 2016


Hillary looks like she's got a good answer for this nonsense answer on NAFTA and jobs.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:48 PM on October 19, 2016


So Trump's plan creates jobs *over a 10 year period*... Doesn't he realize he gets 8 years max?

The 10th Year of the Trump Imperium will bring glory to us all.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I'll be against it when I'm president!"
posted by areaperson at 6:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Only one of us on this stage who has shipped jobs to Mexico" [real]
posted by rtha at 6:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


Stop trying to make "trickle down" a thing.
posted by Yowser at 6:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


HRC: "I'll be against it when I'm president" --> PREACH.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm not watching but have it on mute and am refreshing this thread, I think I am doing it right.
posted by zutalors! at 6:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"The Trump Hotel in Las Vegas was made with Chinese steel .. he goes around with crocodile tears" BURN.
posted by vickyverky at 6:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [39 favorites]


he's constantly blaming her for her husband and Obama, what doesn't Hillary every blame him for Bush?
posted by any major dude at 6:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton: "Donald has bought Chinese steel..."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump is saying China and India are growing at 7-8% and we're terrible in comparison. That's...nonsensical. Of course your economy grows faster when you have hundreds of millions of people who are able to buy basic modern consumer products for the first time. That's why they call them emerging markets. We've emerged, for better or for worse.
posted by zachlipton at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [51 favorites]


he is saying "big league," and always has been

He is saying "bigly," we all hear it. If he *means* to say "big league," he's failing. We all stumble on our words from time to time, most of us are humble enough to admit that we said the wrong word.
posted by explosion at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


@KellyannePolls: --- >

No fucks to give any more, also: got paid up front.
posted by holgate at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


"They totally fact-checked her, and I was right" -- He's super happy about that "TPP gold standard" statement from Hillary, which isn't that straight-forward.
posted by filthy light thief at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Agreed that Fox jasn't earned being considered journalists by moderating this debate.
posted by Gelatin at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016


Why would she blame him for Bush?
posted by zutalors! at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump: "Excuse me, my turn." [real]
posted by uncleozzy at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


YES KEEP AT IT CLINTON!!!!
posted by Foci for Analysis at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


No, this is good, you guys. Let's be real; the other moderators did lean the other way. Clinton needs to demonstrate that she can do this even when the questions are framed according to the Fox worldview, and Wallace is giving her a fair chance at that.
posted by Shmuel510 at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [47 favorites]


HRC: "There's only one person on this stage who has shipped jobs to Mexico, and that's Donald. In fact, he's shipped jobs to 12 other countries."
posted by mochapickle at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Illegal dumping of Chinese steel and aluminum into the country. Indeed, the trump hotel in Las Vegas is made with Chinese steel aND aluminium.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


CM: Obama's simulus plan has lead to the slowest GDP growth since 1949

Trump: Correct!

CM: *snickers* thank you sir

HRC: Obama inherited a reall touch-and go situation, I was in the Senate I've never seen people physically distraught as the Bush team because of the economy. Obama saved the economy, he doesn't get the credit he deserves, but it was a very deep recession and we're still walking not running. Top down doesn't work. What I"ve put forward doesn't adda penny to the debt but it lets peple take new jobs, higher paying jobs we've got to do more to get the whole economy moving.

CM: Economists say your plan doesn't add up. It's unrealistic.

Trump: I jsut left some representatives of India, growning at 8%, China is 7%, we're growgin around 1%. It's going down. Terrible jobs report last week, it was so bad. Terrible. Our country is stagnant. We've lost our busiensses, we're not making things any more, our product is pouring in fro China and Vietnam(?) I've gotten to know so many firends who have cried when they see what's happening because {Bill signed NAFTA}. That was the worst thing that's ever been signed. She wants TPP now, she wants it she called it the gold standard but she lied the fact checked it!

HRC: the final TPP didn't do what we wanted and I'm against it. There's only one on this stage who's shipped jobs to 12 countries, and China. I've fought against China dumping illegal steel into our markets, the Trump hotel was made with Chinese steel but he's given jobs to many Chinese steelworkers not American steelworkers. We'll have a trade prosecutre for the first time in history.

Trump: Why didn't you do this over the last 30 years . . . you were very much involved you've been in position to help for 30 years

(Trump getting very snarky and taunty)
posted by petebest at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Talk over them Hillary, yes. TALK OVER THE LOUD INTERRUPTING MEN.
posted by amnesia and magnets at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [49 favorites]


Ew, "excuse me, my turn," so condescending.
posted by limeonaire at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Excuse me, MY turn." --> My jaw literally dropped.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


"six billion dollars was missing. how do you lose six billion?" [real]
"oh, only one billion is ok?" [fake]
posted by mhz at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'd love Trump to live the rest of his life in rural China, see how he likes it
posted by angrycat at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?" -- Donald Trump, 2013 [real]
posted by dhens at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


It's Hillary's fault he used Chinese steel to build his Vegas hotel because she didn't stop him as First Lady of Arkansas.

Ok.
posted by phunniemee at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [46 favorites]


She missed an opportunity to bring up infrastructure spending: "Not only did the stimulus work, we should be investing more in our future with historically low interest rates. My infrastructure plan..."
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Clinton: "We're going to have a trade prosecutor for the first time in history" to make sure that trade agreements and laws are upheld.
posted by Superplin at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016


"It has turned out badly." Is badly a new trumpism? The new bigly?
posted by chaoticgood at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I. Just. Want. To. Slap. That. Face.
"Make it hard for me to use chinese steel then, I won't mind"
posted by honey-barbara at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


What now? The State Department is missing 6 billion dollars? What fever swamp dream is this?
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary references the ISDS. TPP here we come.
posted by rhizome at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


DDDDDAMN HILLARY. Hitting Trump and not letting up.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump admits using Chinese steel because Hillary didn't make it impossible for him to do so?!
posted by Gelatin at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I am no prude but for Trump to scream WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO makes me feel really sad about how our standards have fallen
posted by Tarumba at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


Why would she blame him for Bush?

He's the Republican nominee. Bush didn't fuck the economy alone.
posted by any major dude at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016


He's now mouthing "wrong" to everything she says. Classy.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump claiming that 6 billion dollars was stolen form the State Department?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:50 PM on October 19, 2016


Petebest, you are doing great work.
posted by mochapickle at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


He's switched to just mouthing "wrong" instead of saying it. He's like a twelve year-old repeating his mom's admonishments back to her.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


"Former senior U.S. national security officials are dismayed at Republican presidential candidate

...er, are these the same officials that got us into Iraq?
posted by sammyo at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016


in the meanwhile, apparently Nintendo has decided that 10:00 p.m. Eastern, ⅔ of the way through the debate, is the perfect time to reveal their new video game console
posted by DoctorFedora at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


So, anyone else get the feeling Trump stole $6 Billion?
posted by yellowbinder at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


For Donald to interrupt the moderator to say "My turn" is like... Nah, metaphors fail me. It's just a shittier line than any I could come up with for him.
posted by at by at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Let me talk about my last 30 years." Oh Hillary, Bill already recited the Hilliad at the DNC.
posted by yeti at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


She is walking all over him. Constantly talking him down and getting more time.
posted by DynamiteToast at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think it's underrated how much juice the Pepe meme thing got from the fact that Trump genuinely, sincerely looks like that dumb fucking frog.
posted by penduluum at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [37 favorites]


Oh, he is *hating * her comparison of her record to his!
posted by Gelatin at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


you have hundreds of millions of people who are able to buy basic modern consumer products for the first time.

And hundreds of millions of people who are able to go from lower-skill work to higher-skill work. Does Trump want to build planned manufacturing cities in Ohio modelled after Shenzhen?
posted by holgate at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


He keeps asking "why she didn't change it" if she's "been doing it" for 30 years. Motherfucker literally doesn't understand how representative democracy works.

Motherfucker literally doesn't understand how representative democracy works.
posted by Rumpled at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [57 favorites]


My 30 years! Yes!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Does anyone else thing Trump sounds really condescending right now? It's not a good tone for him I think.
posted by Deathalicious at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016


IT'S HILLARY'S FAULT THAT DONALD TRUMP BUILDS HIS BUILDINGS WITH ILLEGAL CHINESE STEEL SHE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED HIM, Y'ALL
posted by telepanda at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Just ask him how many times his company went bankrupt, Hils. Just do it. Please.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Comparing her 30 years with his. She is about to kill him on his bankruptcies.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


If we ran the United States like Trump's companies we'd be bankrupt four times and nobody would lend to us except suckers.
posted by Talez at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Migration? Of birds? Bees?
posted by filthy light thief at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


He is saying "bigly," we all hear it

It might sound to your ear like "bigly," but it's "big league" in a kind of accent that is familiar to people from his part of the country. I am about as opposed to him as I can be, but he's not actually saying "bigly. "It's an accent.
posted by Miko at 6:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


oh snap sick Apprentice burn, Hil
posted by butterstick at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


if you are going to reference the Apprentice you have to name tag Meatloaf, c'mon, that's comedy 101
posted by any major dude at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


oh god don't run this country like your businesses...
posted by qcubed at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


C'mon Hill. And who benefited, Donald. You. No one else.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016


He just called the moderator ANDERSON.
posted by vrakatar at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


Ah cool, still patting himself on the back, he's built a PHENOMENAL company, apparently.
posted by limeonaire at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016


This is mostly substantive, and she's hitting almost all of the questions out of the park. Has Trump had a coherent policy answer yet?
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016


"Fitness to be president of the United States" sounds like a joke Jeopardy category.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


only serial liars have to say "frankly" so often
posted by any major dude at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


in the meanwhile, apparently Nintendo has decided that 10:00 p.m. Eastern, ⅔ of the way through the debate, is the perfect time to reveal their new video game console

I hope they discuss this. Nintendo is very important to me and the success of this next console is vital. I need to know the next President is behind it.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


"she's gonna get rid of nobody" [real]
posted by carrienation at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Politifact: ‘$6 billion lost at the State Department’
This echoes reports from many conservative pundits and outlets (and some nonpartisan news sites) about a State Department Inspector General alert in March 2014.

The alert warned that files for over $6 billion worth of contracts from 2008 to 2014 — spanning the entirety of Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state from 2009 to 2013 — "were incomplete or could not be located at all."

A spokesman for the Office of the Inspector General told PolitiFact the alert speaks for itself, but many seemed to misinterpret what it actually said. The confusion prompted Inspector General Steve Linick to pen a clarification in the Washington Post.

"Some have concluded based on this that $6 billion is missing. The alert, however, did not draw that conclusion," he wrote. "Instead, it found that the failure to adequately maintain contract files — documents necessary to ensure the full accounting of U.S. tax dollars — ‘creates significant financial risk and demonstrates a lack of internal control over the Department’s contract actions.’ "

In other words, the State Department was terrible at paperwork. The $6 billion figure refers to the total amount affected by file mismanagement. It’s akin to spending $20 on lunch and losing or not asking for a receipt. Documentation over where that $20 went was lost, but not the $20 itself.

So the State Department under Clinton, who wasn’t mentioned in the alert, may have been financially disorganized, but it didn’t "lose" $6 billion.
posted by cjelli at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [39 favorites]


Wallce: "our next segment is going to be fitness to be President of the United States"

Yes please.
posted by zachlipton at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Even if Chris Wallace is being unreasonably antagonistic, a US President has to be able to handle themselves in that situation.
posted by Small Dollar at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I want her to hit him with the point from (I think) 538 that if Trump had invested his capital in index funds he would be several times richer now
posted by iffthen at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016


DJT: "If we could run the country the way I've run my company..." I am positive there will be an ad that quotes this and shows the bankruptcies and $1B loss in personal taxes.
posted by mochapickle at 6:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Did Trump get the memo that Obama has great approval percentages? He keeps connecting Hillary to Obama, I don't think that will work in his favor.
posted by Tarumba at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wallace is running this debate to try to bring Republican voters back to the table. Trump is blowing it.
posted by gerryblog at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


It's grabbing women time!

Wallace: "Nine women have come forward .... why would so many of so many different circumstances etc." ... bringing in Bill Clinton
posted by vickyverky at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016


Damn, no bankruptcies.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


These questions are endless compound multi-part questions. Sentences bordering on senseless.
posted by zachlipton at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


So--Chris Wallace interrupts her so Trump can rebut her, and then lets him talk indefinitely? Is this how it works?
posted by schroedinger at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I mean, we could make some money by slapping "United States Tower" on buildings around the world and charging licensing fees.
posted by Talez at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump is hitting on numerous lies and falsehoods but pretty much selling it. I think Clinton is very defensive this debate and unless it changes real soon, this will be sold as a Trump win.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016


Obama made him grope people.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ha! Clinton is reminding the viewers that while she has been working hard in the political world, The Donald has been doing shit like hosting Celebrity Apprentice. Preach it, sister!
posted by but no cigar at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


And now, the main event "Fitness to be President". Pour the petrol on the garbage file.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


It might sound to your ear like "bigly," but it's "big league" in a kind of accent that is familiar to people from his part of the country. I am about as opposed to him as I can be, but he's not actually saying "bigly. "It's an accent.

Speaking as an NYC native, yes. To my ears, it's clearly "big league."
posted by Shmuel510 at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Chris Wallace should be fucking ashamed of himself for the way he framed the sexual assault question.
posted by FelliniBlank at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


"groped them or kissed them without their consent"—ah, way to shy away from describing it as what it is, a.k.a. sexual assault, a.k.a. not just "stories."
posted by limeonaire at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


YAAAAAAASSSS QUEEN
posted by Sphinx at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


UGH I hate when he pitches up half an octave.
posted by asockpuppet at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016


I wish when he had talked about running the US like his businesses, she had said, yeah, bankrupt.
posted by Gelatin at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016


Jesus, asking Hillary about Bill's affairs? REALLY Chris Wallace??
posted by triggerfinger at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


I didn't even apologize to my wife!
posted by Sophie1 at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


Wallace's voice has been wobbling, like he's afraid of getting slapped. I have no idea why.
posted by at by at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


BE VIOLENT
CAUSE FIGHTS
DO BAD THINGS

is my new favorite election haiku
posted by Greg Nog at 6:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


James O'Keefe video pivot from the sexual assault allegations into conspiracies. Holy fucking shit.
posted by Talez at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


in the meanwhile, apparently Nintendo has decided that 10:00 p.m. Eastern, ⅔ of the way through the debate, is the perfect time to reveal their new video game console

It's 10am tomorrow.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: "They [Clinton/Obama] paid them $1500 to cause violence at our rallies."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I didn't even apologize to my wife hahahahaha
posted by glhaynes at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


LOL Donald, you denying what the women said is not debunking!
posted by chaoticgood at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


WHERE THE FUCK IS TRUMP EVEN GETTING THIS STUFF ABOUT STARTING FISTFIGHTS
posted by Strange Interlude at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I think they want fame, or her campaign did it ... they're telling people to go out and start fistfights." [real]

What now?
posted by vickyverky at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump outright accuses Hillary of putting the women up to lying about him.
posted by FelliniBlank at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


WHY INDEED?!? It's a MYSTERY!!!
posted by Deathalicious at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


what was that Chicago shit?
posted by angrycat at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016


Looks to me like her patience has reached its end. She looks disgusted.
posted by wabbittwax at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump is a gaslighting abuser.

America, DTMFTA
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [97 favorites]


Bigly. (Tiny) hands down.
posted by Namlit at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


I actually muted it for this question about sexual assaults. I categorically do not want to hear what garbage he vomits out of his mouth.
posted by lydhre at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


It might sound to your ear like "bigly," but it's "big league" in a kind of accent that is familiar to people from his part of the country

he's from queens. he's saying bigly.
posted by poffin boffin at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


Now here comes the O'Keefe reference as an attempt to deflect from the "completely false" reports from the women who've accused him of sexual assault--which he blames on the Clinton campaign.
posted by Superplin at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


WHAT? "They're on tape offering them $1500" - huh?
posted by Miko at 6:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


He should really apologize to his wife for putting her through all this, to be clear. I hate when dudes say that they won't apologize to their wives for things that they say other people did and they had nothing to do with, but I'm sure the wives don't feel good about. You don't care how your wife feels, though, clearly.
posted by limeonaire at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


What is this riot thing Trump is talking about? I have no fucking idea what he's talking about, never mind why Clinton hypothetically complicit.
posted by at by at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Is there anything whatsoever behind this accusation that Clinton had paid provocateurs?
posted by jackbishop at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016


10 minutes of fame? Donnie's not a Warhol fan I guess.
posted by rhizome at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Alex Jones must be having an out of body experience watching this debate
posted by any major dude at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Refresh my memory, Donald: what was it Hillary did in regards to the Bill Clinton scandals that was so bad? Something about attacking them and calling them liars?
posted by Rhaomi at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh shit, repeating his comments on women with such disgust. That's how you hit a target.
posted by uncleozzy at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Donald thinks that belittling women makes him bigger."
posted by FelliniBlank at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


"I don't think there's a woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels like."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [62 favorites]


he's from queens. he's saying bigly.

Queens is in NYC. And nobody, not even in Queens, says "bigly" because it is not a word. "Big league," however, is common enough superlative for people of his generation.
posted by Miko at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Is Chicago a dogwhistle of some kind? I don't even know what the fistfights claim is about.
posted by vickyverky at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hillary is just killing it. He's disgusting.
posted by glhaynes at 6:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]




It might sound to your ear like "bigly," but it's "big league" in a kind of accent that is familiar to people from his part of the country. I am about as opposed to him as I can be, but he's not actually saying "bigly. "It's an accent.


Sorry, he can enunciate. I've lived in NYC over ten years and it sounds like bigly to me. Enough grading on a curve. Bernie Sanders is completely understandable for example.
posted by zutalors! at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Illegal dumping of Chinese steel and aluminum into the country. Indeed, the trump hotel in Las Vegas is made with Chinese steel aND aluminium.

And Trump Tower itself with ready-mix concrete, which meant dealing directly with the mob who controlled the ready-mix concrete business.
posted by holgate at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


WHERE THE FUCK IS TRUMP EVEN GETTING THIS STUFF ABOUT STARTING FISTFIGHTS

WHAT? "They're on tape offering them $1500" - huh?


James O'Keefe caught some loosely DNC tied operative shooting off his mouth.
posted by Talez at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


yes they were plenty attractive for me to sexually assault!
posted by any major dude at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


You know why I believe these women? Because there's a mothertruckin video of you saying you assault women!!!!
posted by areaperson at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [33 favorites]


Interesting that Trump's conflating the women who "lied" and were paid off by the Clinton campaign about being assaulted by him, on the one hand; and the "riots" in Chicago at his rally on the other.

They're all of one piece in his mind-- attacks on his quasi-divine person.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


He goes after women's dignity and self worth. I think every woman knows what that feels like.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


WHERE THE FUCK IS TRUMP EVEN GETTING THIS STUFF ABOUT STARTING FISTFIGHTS

There's some rumors floating around based on some video that rightwingers claim shows Clinton people planning to incite violence.
posted by Sangermaine at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016


The People magazine writer has six people who corroborate her story.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


"Nobody has more respect for women than I do,"

Audience laughs.
posted by Torosaurus at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [113 favorites]


That little pause after she talked about the emotions of sexual and verbal abuse was heartbreaking and poignant and exactly right. Seriously, she is killing it on this question. "America is great because America is good." Really good job, Hillary.
posted by guster4lovers at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [26 favorites]


Clinton: "Donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger...that's who he is." (real)
posted by Gelatin at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump's face is turning flush and then blanching and then reddening again while Clinton is tearing into his sexist speech and conduct.
posted by at by at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Stone. Cold. Hillary.

Clinton: "We know what Donald thinks about women."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [37 favorites]


Nobody has more respect for women?
posted by Strange Interlude at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump: "Nobody has more respect for women than I do." [real]
posted by uncleozzy at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


People started laughing at Trump saying nobody has more respect.
posted by Talez at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


And nobody, not even in Queens, says "bigly" because it is not a word.

he's not saying bigly bECAUSE he's from queens. he's saying it because he's fucking stupid.
posted by poffin boffin at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [36 favorites]


NOBODY HAS MORE RESPECT FOR WOMEN!
posted by Sophie1 at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016


[Folks, the linguistics debate is getting circular, please drop it. ]
posted by restless_nomad at 6:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


"nobody has more respect for women than I do" gets a big laugh from the audience!!
posted by triggerfinger at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Nobody has more respect for women than I do."

[Guffaws from the crowd]

[REAL]
posted by Rhaomi at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


Is there anything whatsoever behind this accusation that Clinton had paid provocateurs?
I think that O'Keefe jack ass has some new edited footage the alt right is claiming prove some shit.
posted by vrakatar at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Nobody has more respect for women than I do."
*Laughter from the audience, Wallace hushes them*
posted by Lykosidae at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


BACK TO EMAILS. IT'S LIKE A SAFETY BLANKET.
posted by Talez at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump: "Nobody has more respect for women than I do"
(mild audience laughter)

[real]
posted by iffthen at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's pivoted back to the 33,000 emails. BIG SNIFF.
posted by vickyverky at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


The crowd laughed at him for saying nobody has respect more for women than he does, and he responds by going off on some other shit about a nothingburger scandal.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump: "All fictionalized. Started by her and her sleazy campaign."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Nobody has more respect for women, than I do. Nobody. And frankly those stories have been largely debunked"—largely. Ew.
posted by limeonaire at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I don't even know what the fistfights claim i about."

It's about the fights in Chicago and the Trump rally that was canceled. There's a James O'Keefe video going around "Project Veritas" saying that it was Democratic operatives that paid people to get into fights and protest.
posted by Selena777 at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016


Her tone on the sexual assault question is just right - serious, disgusted, quietly indignant, not letting him pull her down into the muck.
posted by aka burlap at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Largely debunked all fiction all fiction lies started by her sleazy campaign what happened to the FBI I don't know.

[verbatim, mostly]
posted by RedOrGreen at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump: What happened to the FBI? I dont know (real)
posted by AlexiaSky at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump: "Nobody has more respect for women than I do"

Audience laughs audibly.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


He should really apologize to his wife for putting her through all this

It would no more occur to him to apologize to her than to his car.
The Bill thing is low hanging fruit and he's not picking it?
posted by Countess Elena at 6:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


HRC: "Donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger." I don't think there's a woman alive who hasn't seen this in action. "We celebrate diversity and lift people up... America is great because America is good."

DJT: "Nobody has more respect for women than I do." The audience titters; Wallace tells them to pipe down.

DJT pivots to emails. Take a drink!
posted by mochapickle at 6:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


sexual assault? BUT EEEEEEEMAAAAAAAAAAAAILS
posted by telepanda at 6:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


He knows he's been owned so he's going to his safe place--EMAILS
posted by chaoticgood at 6:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I dropped $25 for Hillary's defense of the women accusers.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


if you change the subject you lose the argument Donald
posted by any major dude at 6:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Mr. Trump, you now have another 45 seconds to debase yourself even further."
posted by uosuaq at 6:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Why isn't Wallace shutting him down when he starts talking about emails in the middle of an answer about his conduct with women? That's some bullshit.
posted by Superplin at 6:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I can't be the only woman here that is just tired of every time he talks about women in any capacity is that 'women, lying liars amirite?' This shit personally HURTS.
posted by asockpuppet at 6:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [50 favorites]


Trump actually responding to the sexual assault claims with EMAILS!!? 111
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Nobody has more respect for women than I do."

*Unrestrained titters from from the audience.*
posted by Deathalicious at 6:58 PM on October 19, 2016


Aye-aye, people laughing at him saying, "No one has more respect for women than me." As much as I have similar sentiments, people should be quiet in the audience. That's where he is getting his power, out of defiance and synergy from the crowd.
posted by constantinescharity at 6:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Apparently, Melania told Anderson Cooper that he did apologize. So that's going to be a thing now.
posted by zachlipton at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


To be fair James Cartwright sent TOP SECRET/SCI directly to a reporter. The Hillary email stuff has been more like a witchunt.
posted by Talez at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Four star jail whatevers
posted by Namlit at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016


Pattern of divisiveness.
posted by Sophie1 at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016


WRONG

yes Trump

yes, continue on
posted by schroedinger at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016


Oh, come ON, Hillary, just because HE'S changing the subject doesn't mean YOU have to.
posted by Shmuel510 at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016


Omg not emails again. Is that even on the bingo card or is it just the "free space"?

also he looks like a frog in a wig.
posted by sexyrobot at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


WRONG! Drink!
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I hope he's really upset as he sounds. It'd make me sad to think that he won't feel this beating at the polls to the core of his black heart. I hope he's never known such despair.
posted by angrycat at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


When he leans into his mic and says, "Wrong," while HRC speaks, I can only see Alec Baldwin. His campaign must know when he does that, he's a joke?
posted by gladly at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [27 favorites]


Impressed by her memory of so many examples of his horribleness. It's all just a gray soup to me at his point.
posted by glhaynes at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


No seriously guys, Trump's face has kind of transited from orange to a solid red.
posted by at by at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clinton is fucking killing it, and Trump looks like a dolt. This couldn't be going better.
posted by DynamiteToast at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


I'm from Queens. No one here says "bigly." He's not saying "big league."
posted by zarq at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hillary's going high, talking about how pointless divisiveness is while Trump fiddles with his microphone.
posted by vickyverky at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: The state department lost 6 billion dollars

HRC: That's been debunked many times. But for 30 years I was working for schools he was getting sued for racial discrimination, I worked for public schools he was getting a loan from his daddy, I was campaigning for human rights in China he was insulting Alica Marcado, I was there to get osama bin laden, he was running the Apprentice tv show

Trump: I ran a great company, I built a great company. she gave us ISIS because of a vacuum, we should have never been in Iraq, she gave us ISIS as sure as you are sitting there, she's going to get rid of ISIS she's going to get rid of nobody

CM We'll get to hotspots in a minute, but qualifiactions for Presidency. Since your tape you've said you've said you've never done that but 9 different women have ome forward to say you have. why would they come forward now.

Trump those stories have been largely debunked. Her campaign did it. What happened with my rally in Chicago - she and Obama caused the violence they paid $1500 to cause the violence - those stories are not true, I didn't apologize to my wife - they want fame or it's her campaign, they did a criminal act to have people start violence all on tape started by her, she got these people to step forard, they get their 10 minutes of fame but it's lies and fiction.

HRC: At the last debate we heard Donald talking about what he did to women. A number of women came forward saying he did exactly that. His response was to hold big rallies where he said he couldn't have done that because they weren't attractive.

Trump I didn't say that! id ditn't say that!

HRC: He attacked a woman writing a story calling her disgusting. Donalt attacks woman who think it makes him bigger. He belittles them, cancels their self worth, and I don't think there's a woman who doesn't know what that feels like. We should stand up and show how we want our country where we don't want pitting fo people against each other. America is great because America is good. We want to make that true.

Trump: Nobody has no respect for women than me, nobody.

CM: (quiets crowd)

Trump: I want to mention something from her sleazy campaign. What isn't fictionalized is that she destroyed 33000 emails. Criminal. Criminal. We have a great genearal, four star general, going to potentially serve five years in jail for one lie. She's lied hundreds of times to people, congress, and she gets away with it. Thats whats you should be talking about, not fiction.

HRC: Everytime Donald pushes against what these women have said he immediately goes to denying responsibility. He does that for everything not just women, never apologizes, he went after a disabled reporter (Trump: WRONG) he went after the Khans, he went after John McCain said he prefers people who werent captureed. Went against a judge from Inidain because his parents were Mexican. A pattern of divisiveness in many ways a vision of our country where he incites violence where they're punching in his rallies, that's not who American is. More and more people are going to understand what America is.

Trump: violence at my rallies, she caused them.
posted by petebest at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [39 favorites]


Yeah, fox bot is gross, but hillary is awesome.
posted by valkane at 6:59 PM on October 19, 2016


This is by far her best and most direct performance of the whole campaign. She is really resonating with me right now.
posted by freecellwizard at 7:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


Is Chicago a dogwhistle of some kind? I don't even know what the fistfights claim is about.

Yes, sorta. Conservatives who watch Fox, etc., seem to think that Chicago is a nightmarish wasteland run by Demoncrats where white people are being murdered right and right because Demoncrats.
posted by qcubed at 7:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


HRC: "It's not one thing -this is a pattern. He divides, he incites violence".
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


He *bragged* he committed sexual assault on a love mic. That isn't "debunked."

And he did mock a disabled reporter. Trump handed her another ad by saying"wrong."

Clinton is doing a great job decrying Trumpism..trump is blaming her for the violence.
posted by Gelatin at 7:00 PM on October 19, 2016


Clinton: "a very dark and dangerous vision of our country"

Trump: *nods repeatedly*
posted by invincible summer at 7:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


Why isn't Wallace shutting him down when he starts talking about emails in the middle of an answer about his conduct with women? That's some bullshit.

Because everyone including Chris Wallace was relieved he pivoted to emails and not Bill.
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 7:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


PEC now has Clinton at 99%.
posted by zakur at 7:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


Dark and dangerous visions by harlan ellison
posted by valkane at 7:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


can we talk about ISIS and not my pattern of sexual assault?
posted by any major dude at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


I think the emails are overblown but they're a fair topic, and she's clearly ready for questions about them.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


The donors did not get special access, unless you count this as "special access":

Donor: "Can I have this favor?"
Huma Abedin: "No."
posted by schroedinger at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [51 favorites]


And now for my final question, bleach or acid? Which is best for washing this off?
posted by adept256 at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Wow. I'm actually crying because she hit that answer about Trump's fitness for the presidency and impact of his tactics and words on the American people. Yes, Hillary. Yes.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


James O'Keefe, TrumpTV Programming Director
posted by rhizome at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I can only assume that this tape that Trump keeps referring to as the source of Clinton paying for provocateurs has the same cinematographer as Fiorina's stem cell information.
posted by Lykosidae at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's reached his calm wall. He's starting to fidget and interrupt.
posted by Room 641-A at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton foundation. Can you say you kept your pledge?

I am happy to talk about the Clinton Foundation! Made it possible to have 11 million people with HIV to get treatment.
posted by Sophie1 at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


"I didn't even apologize to my wife." I just... Whew. It still totally blows my mind, for a man to lie so proudly and disrespectfully in such a lofty arena.

Meanwhile Clinton looked and sounded genuinely bone-deep exhausted talking about her opponent's history of rank misogyny, up to and including sexual assault. Yes, we all feel it. She looked down at the podium while she was talking about it, and couldn't even manage a wry lip-purse at "Nobody has more respect for women than I do." It is shaking me up so much to see a woman speaking and behaving like this while she is running for president of the United States. You can't escape the patriarchy any goddamn where, no matter how high you climb.
posted by amnesia and magnets at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [69 favorites]


She only got 74 seconds per my stopwatch- this is a joke.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Guitar?
posted by SillyShepherd at 7:01 PM on October 19, 2016


Btw, I'm going to be a lying liar woman in Chicago this coming weekend! Let's meetup and lying lie and start fistfights.
posted by asockpuppet at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


PUSH GAYS OFF BIZNIZZ
posted by vrakatar at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Sure Chris, keep Clinton on target but let Trump talk about emails whenever. Sure.
posted by uncleozzy at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump does business in Saudi Arabia. What the hell is he talking about?
posted by Sangermaine at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump also doesn't know how to pronounce Qatar. In fairness, I can't exactly do it, but he doesn't try.
posted by zachlipton at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


WALLACE: [asks question]
CLINTON: [begins to answer question]
TRUMP: [interrupts Clinton]
CLINTON: [tries to keep talking]
WALLACE: "Secretary Clinton, please let Mr. Trump speak."
posted by tonycpsu at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [97 favorites]


CM: This op-ed about fitness for presidency. HRC: donators to the foundation got special access, some got government contracts. Can you say you didn't violate that.

HRC: Everything I did as SoS was in furtherance of our country. I'm so proud of the Clinton FOundation for the great work that it does. It amed it possible for 11M with HIV to afford treatment and that's about 1/2 of the people getting treatment. Schools . . .

CM: Respectfully, the pay for play . .

HRC: There's no evidence to that, but there's lots of evidence that it was in furtherence of our country

Trump: there's lots of evidence , Saudi Arabia and Quatar Why don't you give the money back
posted by petebest at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Okay, wallace just stepped in it, letting him talk email when he won't let her talk. Shame.
posted by valkane at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trump's mirror: Trump calls the Clinton.Foundation a criminal enterprise.
posted by Gelatin at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Wait WTF moderator just shouted over Clinton in the middle of her answer and then gave the floor to trump???
posted by telepanda at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [27 favorites]


nice Wallace keeping Hillary on point, where was he when Trump ducked the assault question?
posted by any major dude at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wallace talking over Clinton to push unfounded conspiracies about the Clinton Foundation [real]
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Yes, let's compare it to the Trump Foundation.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yelling contest! Finally.
posted by Namlit at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Little Haiti is just like real Haiti!
posted by numaner at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


So Wallace will harp on Hillary about not answering the question but Trump can word salad as much as he wants.
posted by charred husk at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Who does that?
posted by glhaynes at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Clinton: "I'd be happy to compare what the Clinton Foundation does with the Trump Foundation..."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Anyone else feel like we've gone back in time to the first debate?
posted by tetsuo at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016


Seriously tho, who does that?
posted by joedan at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Haitians don't want your help! They're all okay now.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait, is Trump proposing cutting Saudi Arabia off?
posted by rhizome at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016


Is Chicago a dogwhistle of some kind? I don't even know what the fistfights claim is about.

At his rallies he often mentions Chicago, Philly and St. Louis as being cesspools. Three cities that just happen to have large African American populations.
posted by xigxag at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


This should put to rest any last remaining notion that Wallace is a real journalist. He's not. He's Sean Hannity, and should never be allowed to host another debate.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Wallace is a tool. Where is Gwen Ifill.
posted by asockpuppet at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Where's Gromit when we need him?
posted by Namlit at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Clinton, on the Trump foundation buying a portrait of DJT: "who does that?"
posted by uncleozzy at 7:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [42 favorites]


(Not that it is surprising but) Trump's facile characterization of many foreign countries as being anti-woman and anti-LGBT is the exact same rationale used by supporters of the truly heinous HB2 in North Carolina.
posted by witchen at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton's beautifully inflected "I mean, who does that?" regarding Trump's foundation-funded mega-portrait gave me the first proper belly laugh of this grim enterprise.
posted by cortex at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [77 favorites]


100% of the Trump foundation money goes to charity. You heard it straight from him. One Hundred Percent.
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Tax return torpedo away!
posted by vrakatar at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Pivot to tax returns by Clinton. Nice.
posted by zarq at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016


Wallace: "Wasn't some of the money used to settle your lawsuits?"
Trump: "No, we put up an American flag..."

[real]
posted by guster4lovers at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


Can we get off the "bigly" / "big league" derail forever? This is moving fast enough as it is.
posted by Archelaus at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Finally, Wallace calls him out on using Trump Foundation donations to pay his legal bills.
posted by carrienation at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


100% of the Trump Foundation money goes to legit causes, per Trump.

Clinton comes back: "There's no way we can know if any of that is true because he hasn't released his tax returns..."
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Wow, Trump's line about his Foundation was so dumb even Wallace had to push back.
posted by gerryblog at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


HRC interupts the guys smoothly to bring up taxes. She can hang with the big dogs.
posted by klarck at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy shit Trump is so bad at this. He literally just admitted that his foundation used its money to settle a lawsuit on his behalft.
posted by DynamiteToast at 7:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


HOLY SHIT. HE CAN'T EVEN COMPREHEND WHAT HE DID WAS WRONG.
posted by Talez at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


St. Louis as being cesspools. Three cities that just happen to have large African American populations.

I'm just sitting here as a lying liar woman in my STL city cesspool with local beer and a whole lot of aggro.
posted by asockpuppet at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


He's too stupid to avoid his Foundation problems and she hasn't brought up the NY AG investigation.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I honestly think this is Clinton's best performance so far. She is killing it.
posted by No One Ever Does at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Clinton: "We have undocumented immigrants who pay more federal income tax than billionaires."
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [75 favorites]


Wallace: Wasn't some of the money that went to your foundation used to settle your lawsuits sir?
Trump: We put up an American flag!

[real, dafuq]
posted by iffthen at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wallace is a tool. Where is Gwen Ifill.

Srsly.

She's not even on the post-game PBS coverage tonight. Hope she's okay, I loves me some Gwen Ifil.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


H: "We have undocumented immigrants in this country paying more income taxes than a billionaire"

Oh my god, tear this dude apart.
posted by zachlipton at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [56 favorites]


In the absence of a vaccum, create one.

-Richard Nixon: [fake]
posted by clavdivs at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


We're entitled!
posted by valkane at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016


why doesn't Wallace call him on 100%? No one gets paid?
posted by any major dude at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"...because he hasn't released his tax returns." [looks directly at camera]
posted by rhizome at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wallace just fact-checked Trump on the Trump Foundation paying his lawsuit penalties.
posted by zennie at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


DJT: Trump Foundation 100% money goes to charities.
Wallace calls him on it.
HRC: We can't really prove anything because we don't have the documentation.
posted by mochapickle at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Moderator: Was Trump foundation money used on settling a lawsuit?

Trump: we put up a flag!
posted by Tarumba at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]



This is what happens when you've been drinking while peek watching and reading the live blog of this debate. You play with your mini orange icing cupcakes, make the bat sprinkles into hitler faces and make Trump icing hair and then when Donald 'respects women' like no one else YOU EAT THEM.
posted by Jalliah at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [37 favorites]


Trump is claiming 100% of his foundation money went to charity? Denies Wallace's point that the foundation paid to settle his lawsuit. The fact checkers are going to have a field day..
posted by Gelatin at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm honest to god Clinton is being allowed to say this without Trump going "WRONG!"
posted by Talez at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016


Mentioning Soros again to hit the right-wing anti Semitic sweet spot
posted by Countess Elena at 7:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump blamed Clinton for making him buy Chinese steel and now he's blaming her for making him not pay taxes.
posted by adamg at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


"We have undocumented immigrants in this country who pay more income tax than billionaires."
posted by gracenote at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


He is literally blaming her for his not paying taxes. Insane.
posted by zarq at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


chinese steel
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trump, on not paying taxes: "We're entitled."
posted by Westringia F. at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump is talking about how he sat in his hotel today watching "ad after ad after ad" attacking them, paid for by Wall Street. Why did he spend the day of the debate watching TV?
posted by zachlipton at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


"Made with Chinese steel" --> Yes. Keep jabbing at this asshole.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


100% of the Trump Foundation money goes to legit causes? David Fahrenthold is cackling and rubbing his hands together in glee.
posted by yasaman at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


God I wish she'd explain that she was a senator and not a dictator.
posted by Room 641-A at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


The only time Trump sounds like he knows what he's talking about is when he discusses how best to dodge taxes as a rich person.
posted by DynamiteToast at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [36 favorites]


Trump again basocally admits being corrupt because Clinton won't change the law.
posted by Gelatin at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Where's Wallace?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm just sitting here as a lying liar woman in my STL city cesspool with local beer

Oo! I miss STL beer! What are you drinking!
posted by Greg Nog at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016


CLINTON: "...made with Chinese Steel"

<img src="supa_hot_fire.gif">
posted by tonycpsu at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


I hate the laugh lines, but I'm glad HRC is getting some of them.
posted by witchen at 7:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump plugs his Nevada hotel.
HRC: "Made with Chinese steel." And a valiant smile!
posted by mochapickle at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Will you accept the results of the election?

"I will look at it at the time."

Guess who said it.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump won't repudiate the rigging talk. Disgusting. It's so irresponsible and dangerous.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [34 favorites]


Wow. “I will look at it at the time.” Surely this.

Surely this…
posted by savetheclocktower at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hillary interjects: "made with Chinese steel"
(huge audience laughter)

[real]
posted by iffthen at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


He won't accept the election results:"I'll take a look at it at the time."
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


He cannot even frickin say "yes" to accepting the election results.

RIP American democracy, 1776-2016
posted by mhz at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [35 favorites]


Holy shit.

He says he will "look at the results at the time" and decide whether to accept the election or not
posted by Torosaurus at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


I wish she would just say to him, "Donald, how do you think a law is changed?"
posted by Talez at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


And Trump throws his running mate *and his daughter* under the bus.
posted by kewb at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


Wallace realizes he screwed up with that interruption, and will spend exactly five minutes trying to be a bit tougher on Trump. He'll then go back to the softballs.
posted by chortly at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016


Christ, he's not gonna accept the results of the election.
posted by wallabear at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


HRC: Clinton Foundation spends 90% of the money on our programs we have great ratings from the watchdog groups. Trumps foundation spent money on a 6' portrait of him, who does that? But with Haiti, we've done things to help small busiensses agriculture and we'll continue to

Trump: Trump Foundation goes 100 to charity, including veterans.

CM: There was a penalty imposed by Palm Beach county paid by the Turmp Foundation

Trump: that money went to build homes for veterans

HRC: We can't know because he won't release his taxes he's the only presidential candidate never to release his taxes in the last 50 years. He hasn't paid a penny in income tax, undocumented immagrants have paid more income tax than a billionaire.

Trmp: we're entitled to take tax breaks and we do it. Most of her donors are doing the same thing. You should have changed the law when you were a US Senator because your donors are doing the same thing that I do but you won't change the law, because I sat in my apartment watching your ads all false paid for by wall street because you're going to help them.

CM: Mr. Trump you've been warning that the election is rigged and that HRC is trying to steal it. Your runing mate pledged that he and you will absolutely accept the outcome of this election, and Ivanka said the same thing. Will you promise to accept the outcome

Trump: I'll look at it at the time. I'm not doing anything now, I'll look at it at the time.
posted by petebest at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [26 favorites]


"I'll look at it at the time."

@#$%%$@$!@#!!!!
posted by Thistledown at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Trump whiffed at the softball: "will you just freakin accept the results of the elections?"
posted by klarck at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


100% of the money from the foundation goes to charity tells you that he does not understand how charities work.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


Okay, so Trump has promised that he will not concede a loss.
posted by at by at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wallace: "Will you absolutely accept the result of this election."

Trump: "I will look at it at the time....I think the voters will see through it."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I mean, the audience there is ACTUALLY LAUGHING AT HIM. This is surely unprecedented.
posted by stennieville at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Ew, "I will look at it at the time," what? You won't accept the results of the election?
posted by limeonaire at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump: “We will look at” the election results “at the time” wow.
posted by migurski at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016


DJT is such a mook! Won't accept the vote.
posted by annsunny at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016


Holy shit he won't commit to accepting the results of the election!
posted by Superplin at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump: Everyone hates me.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


[will you accept the results of this election?]

I will look at it at the time. [real]

THE EVERLOVING FUCK????
posted by telepanda at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


GAme over
posted by vrakatar at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I'll look at it, at the time." What a fucking maroon.
posted by valkane at 7:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I will look at it at the time.

NO I WILL NOT
posted by chaoticgood at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016


"I WILL LOOK AT IT AT THE TIME"

Holy shit, you didn't.
posted by Miko at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh, god. Fuck him. He's destroying our democracy.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [29 favorites]




Wow, Trump point blank refuses to say he will accept the election results. Claims Hillary should not be "allowed" to run for President.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"She should never have been allowed to run." Trump's Mirror again.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


He is literally blaming her for his not paying taxes.

Yes, I coughed tuberculosis on that baby but WHERE WAS THE DOCTOR to put his hand between my mouth and the baby's face huh???
posted by Greg Nog at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


None of the rest of the debate matters. This answer where he says he will "look at the results at the time" is it. That (unless further hell breaks loose, have to hedge myself with this guy) the beginning, middle, and end of the spin on this debate.
posted by zachlipton at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Jesus Christ, this rigged election answer is shocking, even for Trump. Like, you can't walk this back.
posted by uncleozzy at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


all the adults in your campaign will accept the results of the election, will the big baby do the same?
posted by any major dude at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


I think Trump’s “debate prep” was watching footage of Carl Paladino on a loop
posted by savetheclocktower at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump: "She should not be allowed to run. She is guilty of a very serious crime."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Millions of people who are registered to vote that shouldn't be registered to vote. Millions!
posted by Sophie1 at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016


Wallace literally can't believe the answer and is trying to explain things to Trump.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [27 favorites]


Wallace asks Trump if he will accept the result of the election. Trump says he'll look at the situation at the time. Contradicting Pence and his own daughter.
posted by Gelatin at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump: "She should not be allowed to run. She is guilty of serious crimes! She should have never been allowed to run for president for what she did with the emails..."

UGGGHGHGHGHGHG
posted by guster4lovers at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Chinese steel attack is rock solid. Remind the working class people who like his "They took our jerbs!" rhetoric that he is not on their side.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh, here we go, Trump is claiming "millions of people registered to vote, that shouldn't be registered to vote" [real]
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump will wait and see if he will accept the results of the election (!).

Clinton being allowed to run (???) shows that the thing is rigged.
posted by dhens at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


wow. that should fucking legally actionable, his refusal to committing to accepting the outcome
posted by angrycat at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I think Wallace has had enough of Trump being a treasonous bastard.
posted by zennie at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Holy shit he won't commit to accepting the results of the election!

Everyone knew it, it's good to get it out in the open.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


I'll keep you in suspense.
posted by vrakatar at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clinton: "Let me respond to that, because that's horrifying."
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [130 favorites]


It's rigged because she is allowed to run.

Damn.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"She shouldn't be allowed to run, she's guilty of a very serious crime, she shouldn't be allowed to run, and just in that respect I say it's rigged. She should never have been allowed to run for the presidency just based on what she did with emails and other things." Wow.
posted by limeonaire at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"She should never have been allowed to run for the presidency." Dude, Eugene Debs ran from prison, like, 10 times.
posted by jackbishop at 7:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [57 favorites]


Trump is doing so much mansplaining. It hurts my head
posted by Jacen at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Look, in spite of the obvious bias in his questions, Chris Wallace is being forced to do a good job of pushing back against Trump. Over and over - he's being forced to.
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump is burying himself right now.

Hillary subtly smiling
posted by Tarumba at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Millions of people are registered to vote that shouldn't be registered to vote."
FALSE!

"She shouldn't be allowed to run. She is guilty of a very serious crime."

He is a dangerous, dangerous man.
posted by Superplin at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Trump not accepting the election results isn't exactly news.

To be fair, most of his supporters won't, either.
posted by Archelaus at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ha, news of the day, Trump admitted he Read. An. Article. He read something! Who knew!
posted by honey-barbara at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump mirror
posted by Burhanistan at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: "I'll keep you in suspense." What. The. Fuck.
posted by dhens at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Clinton looked at the camera like in The Office when Trump said she wasn't fit to run for the presidency. It was like a Tumblr meme come true.
posted by amnesia and magnets at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [46 favorites]


Oh yes he totally just did that thing. Wowy Mc Wowerton, and it gets better yet! Yummy.
posted by Namlit at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


If there is violence after the election by Trump supporters, this is the spark. Trump won't shut down that kind of talk and it's going to have ugly results.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


remember 20 or 30 years ago when we thought trump was just a tasteless self-absorbed infantile blowhard and not an actual fascist
posted by entropicamericana at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [64 favorites]


"we'll see at the time" or "we'll discuss it in the future" should be identified by now as a Trump tic. He's not going to do anything his fucking self. Though a few deplorables might.
posted by holgate at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


*the moderator explains to the presidential candidate how civics works*
posted by Tarumba at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [33 favorites]


Trump is an abusive, dangerous man. "I'll keep you in suspense". That's...sociopathic behavior.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [88 favorites]


I... I mean, wow, the Emmy comment. That is not helping him in the slightest. "I should have won" after she lists all of the times he claimed the world was rigged against him.
posted by danapiper at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [30 favorites]


Great Chris Wallace, giggle at Trump's shitbag bully interruption. Great work.
posted by uncleozzy at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wallace provides a middle school civics lesson on the peaceful transition of power & DJT doubles down. I try to burn a hole in my TV screen.
posted by mochapickle at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


To give Wallace credit, he didn't cough or anything during the "not saying you're going to be the loser, but".... part.
posted by rewil at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


Did he seriously just say what I think he said? He's reserving judgment on whether he'll respect the results of the election?

Is there even any precedent for this? I -- I can't even. He's basically laying the groundwork for riots across the country, not to mention irreparable damage to the country, on live TV.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Clinton sums up Trump: "funny, but also really troubling"
posted by kewb at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


The Emmies are rigged!
posted by drlith at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


YES THE EMMYS ARE RIGGED AGAINST HIM
posted by chaoticgood at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


Oh, yes! The Emmy's are rigged!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Please Ms. Clinton try to refrain yourself from dancing a jig no matter how much you want to.
posted by Deathalicious at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


Wow, Wallace is really going hard in this rigging claim "Are you saying you aren't prepared to comit to the principle [of peaceful transfer of power]?".

Trump: "I will tell you at the time".

Clinton: "Let me respond to that, b/c it's horrifying".
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [43 favorites]


This election: "It's funny, but it's really troubling"
posted by limeonaire at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump: Millions of people whoshouldnt' be registered to vote. She shouldn't be allowed to . . run and just in that respect I say it's rigged. She shouldn't be allowed to run for Presidency

CM: but sir the tradition of the peaceful trnasition of power and the end of the campaign the loser concedes tot he winner and the contry comes together for the good for the contry

Trump: I'll tell you at the time. I'l keep you in suspense.

HRC: well that's horrifying. The FBI looked into my emails for a year and concluded no case, he said it was rigged, he lost in Iowa he said it was rigged, Trump University gets sued he said that was rigged. He didn't get an Emmy and he thinks that was rigged

Trump: I shoulda got it

HRC: It's funny but it's also troubling. We've had free elections 240 years and that's what we should expect from anyone on the debate stage. Obama said he was whining becaause he's not up to the job. he's talknig down to our democracy and I'm appalled that someone from the two major parties would take that position.

Trump: Bill met with the FBI person on the tarmac.
posted by petebest at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [73 favorites]


aeroplane
posted by Don Pepino at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump, re: the Emmy that Clinton just said he complained was rigged: "I should have gotten it."
posted by Gelatin at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


August 2015 just feels like 30 years ago.
posted by Elementary Penguin at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


I guess he hasn't googled the word "rigged".
posted by Namlit at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016


Right on. She did a good job getting that "package" in - totally ready for it, nailed it.
posted by Miko at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


"He is denigrating, he is talking down our democracy and I am appalled".
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


She's absolutely killing this rigged answer.

"He even didn't get an Emmy one year..."

"Should've gotten it!" [Real]
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [60 favorites]


She just killed him about the Emmys thing. Ouch.
posted by iffthen at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


I will keep you in suspense

He really does think this is reality TV, doesn't he?
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [49 favorites]


I'm SO glad to see Clinton voicing disgust with Trump's rhetoric. Bravo.
posted by joedan at 7:10 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


HRC reminds us that DJT launched a twitter storm when DJT didn't win an Emmy, calling the Emmys rigged. [real].

She's mad as hell.
posted by mochapickle at 7:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


OMG the Bill Clinton Loretta Lynch on the tarmac thing... I can't believe that was his go-to Hillary scandal to get out of a jam.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:11 PM on October 19, 2016


This is surreal. Chris Wallace has to persuade Trump that a peaceful transfer of power is important.
posted by GrammarMoses at 7:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [34 favorites]


She is channeling Obama now! She even said "Let's be clear"!
posted by aka burlap at 7:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


O.K. I just got home you guys catch me up
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wish she would ask him, "Donald, how do you check if you're wrong? Do you ever care whether you're wrong? Yes? OK, how do you check if you are? What specific sources DO you trust?"
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 7:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hillary ate Trump alive.
posted by Tarumba at 7:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Oh, yes! The Emmy's are rigged!

well, they are obviously. Space Ghost never won anything.
posted by philip-random at 7:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [46 favorites]


Hilz is on fire. Best debate ever for her. She has his fucking number now.
posted by spitbull at 7:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [36 favorites]


TRUMP EMMY NEVAR FORGET
posted by vrakatar at 7:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Hi, I'm Chris Wallace. We were briefly discussing the future of democracy in America and the virtues of a peaceful transition of power, but enough of that: I'm sure it's not that important. Let's talk about Iraq." [fake]
posted by zachlipton at 7:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


Please Ms. Clinton try to refrain yourself from dancing a jig no matter how much you want to.

Disagree!!
posted by glhaynes at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


That complete response to the "rigging" should be the verbatim quote that Republicans down the ballot need to completely agree or disagree with, in public. Like, every press availability for anyone with an [R] near their name needs to be clear about that.
posted by mhz at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


MetaFilter: It's funny, but it's really troubling
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


She's made of steel right now.
posted by cmfletcher at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Were the audience applauding that mention of Bill Clinton meeting Loretta Lynch on the tarmac? Ugh, I hope not.
posted by vickyverky at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016


Space Ghost never won anything.

BAAAANJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO </modfiat>
posted by cortex at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


UPDATE: Nintendo is not actually revealing the NX tonight. I am a proud fool who just discovered my inability to tell "a.m." from "p.m."
posted by DoctorFedora at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


I feel like Trump wouldn't know Kurdish forces if he were presented with a framed picture of them.
posted by limeonaire at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Need to see Mortal Kombat-themed animated renderings of them on this stage.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump will be plucking at all those "rigged" darts for the rest of the debate.
posted by klarck at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I feel sick. Actually, physically sick.

"I'll keep you in suspense" and then we just carry on, hey, let's get back to the debate! Onto defeating terrorism.

How she just stands there calmly on that stage is ..... wow. Beyond me.
posted by gerstle at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [30 favorites]


Hillary gave him both barrels on the peaceful transfer of power. "That's appalling" is going to be all over the (corrupt, dishonest) media tomorrow.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I really do hope there are enough grownup Republicans left to be having furious whispered arguments right this instant about who concedes instead of Trump.
posted by Countess Elena at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


My TV isn't picking up any of the audience noise so it's making Chris Wallace sound like a crazy person shouting at the clouds.
posted by acidic at 7:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


I mean, I get what you're saying zachlipton, but Iraq, Syria, and the middle east really are important questions. It's not Wallace's fault that Trump is such a shitshow that they could spend the entire 1.5 hours on any given shitshow topic.
posted by Justinian at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Emmys rigged" was narcissistic injury number three.
posted by holgate at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


O.K. I just got home you guys catch me up

Hillary ate Trump alive.


Bigly!
posted by bibliowench at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's in Mon Mothma mode now.
posted by vrakatar at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


It really does feel like she's channelled Obama tonight. This is a different Hillary than the one in the first two debates, and she is seriously, seriously killing it.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


HRC reminds us that DJT launched a twitter storm when DJT didn't win an Emmy

That's patently false. He launched three Twitter storms three years in a row.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


President Clinton's look is awesome here.
posted by valkane at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Clinton looked at the camera like in The Office when Trump said she wasn't fit to run for the presidency. It was like a Tumblr meme come true.

She did it in debate two as well - looked very intentional. Hopefully this means she's gonna keep up Obama's troll-in-chief meme master practices.
posted by iffthen at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


O.K. I just got home you guys catch me up

Peaceful-transfer-of-power Democracy had previously looked a little shaky but one of the candidates just upgraded "shaky" to "Jenga tower on belly of violent-diarrhea-haver"
posted by Greg Nog at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


Scorecard so far: Trump = -1 (beating expectations but not really moving the needle)
HRC = +3 (more energetic than last time but still being relatively cautious.)

T might get a mild bump from moderate Rs but continue to lose undecided young and old undecideds.

But there's plenty of time left for another Machado moment!
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Mr Trump, my final seven questions for you are as follows: do you think this is some kind of joke?

Take as much time as you need." [fake, but I wish]
posted by Rumpled at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hillary should call him out on playing games. Like his candidacy itself is sarcastic.
posted by rhizome at 7:13 PM on October 19, 2016


Hillary giving a well informed, well thought out, expert opinion on ISIS. I wonder what Trump's answer will be like?
posted by Tarumba at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Hi, I'm Chris Wallace. We were briefly discussing the future of democracy in America and the virtues of a peaceful transition of power, but enough of that: I'm sure it's not that important. Let's talk about Iraq." [fake]

What a fucked up segue. Like, stop the debate. Ask the question: "So, can I canvass both of you on whether armed mob rule will be better than the current setup? Two minutes each."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


God dang I am so freaking bored of Isis.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Democrats have an opportunity to demolish the republican party and they are choking. She speaks of Trump in the singular when not one Republican has spoken out on this rigged election shit.
posted by any major dude at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Mosul. BOO! Surprise.
posted by firstdrop at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016


Her white pantsuit is ninja assassin garb.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


paragraph breaks in shocking places

I love this turn of phrase.

Chris Wallace is Mike Wallace's son? D'oh I had no clue.

He just cannot leave that mic alone.

Guess it's better than humping the empty chair.

"Mosul is so sad". Wtf
posted by tilde at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


mosul so sad, why you cry mosul, why you cry? [fake]
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


He just said that the only reason we're invading Mosul is to make Hillary look good.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Is Trump an idiot? You cannot launch a major and coordinated assault on a city of millions "by surprise". You can launch airstrikes by surprise. You can launch small-scale ground ops like that which killed bin Laden by surprise. You cannot mobilize tens or hundreds of thousands of ground troops by surprise.
posted by Justinian at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [35 favorites]


I know it's been mentioned one thousand times before in these threads, but it really did take me until the third debate to fully absorb how infuriating it is to have someone with endless wells of patience and poise have to share a stage with an emotional toddler
posted by savetheclocktower at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [93 favorites]


The 2018 mid-terms should be all about unseating anyone who endorsed Trump.
posted by R343L at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [55 favorites]


Right now I would like some stagehands to roll out a big bulletin board and Chris Matthews asks the debaters to point out Mosul on a world map. I'm betting one of them would be off by longitudes.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


He seems to conflate the Secretary of State with the Secretary of Defense.

And again with the element of surprise thing.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


It sounds like he's saying "Moso" now.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donald is bringing surprise back. Mosul, accepting election results, all of it!
posted by rhizome at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


God, she's just destroying him in this debate.
posted by octothorpe at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why does Trump keep invoking MacArthur and Patton?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


This is a different Hillary than the one in the first two debates, and she is seriously, seriously killing it.

I'm mostly on mute, but see it in the body language. The first two debates gave her the impetus and the permission to do this in debate number three.
posted by holgate at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


"I've been reading about Mosul for what is it... 3 months? ... Douglas MacArthur..." -- Donald Trump, 2016
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]




Bernie Sanders
1 min ·
I say to Donald Trump: Instead of giving speeches about trade why don't you lead by example and make your goods in America.

Look, if Donald Trump was really concerned about companies going abroad maybe, just maybe Donald Trump would move his manufacturing plants out of Bangladesh where workers are paid just 30 cents an hour. Maybe, just maybe Donald Trump would make his ties in the United States, not in China. Or his clothing that is made in Mexico. Or his picture frames that are made in India. Or his barware that’s made in Slovenia. Or his furniture that’s made in Turkey.
posted by cooker girl at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


The Great Migration?

I wonder if he remembers that from social studies in the 9th grade?
posted by spitbull at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


My defense-policy-educated bride just looked at the TV and said, "Because you don't move 30,000 troops into a city and make it a surprise, asshole."

I love her so much.
posted by Thistledown at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [91 favorites]


I thought NAFTA was THE worst deal.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Guys, she violated a red line in the sand! It's over!
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016


Someone bring out a map and ask him where Mosul is.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


How many "stupidest deals of all time" can there be?
posted by stennieville at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Name-checking military heroes—congratulations, you know a couple of names. It's pretty clear you don't know anything about the place you were asked about, man.
posted by limeonaire at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump trying to sound lime he knows military strategy. Pathetic.
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wubba what now? Trump says ISIS all left Mosul because they announced they would attack? ISIS needs Mosul!
posted by Gelatin at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


There is something very darkly thrilling about watching a woman repeatedly infuriate a man on stage, on camera, with something akin to impunity. Like I imagine her thinking, "What are you gonna do about it, fucker? Hit me? The Secret Service will take you out so fast you won't know what hit you. So what now? Oh, that's right: sputter impotently and whine about the fires I walked through while you were busy heading up a goddamn circus."
posted by amnesia and magnets at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [152 favorites]


Trump called the country stupid again.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Why does Trump keep invoking MacArthur and Patton?

He knows two generals by name and all other generals are "General Generic".
posted by holgate at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump Mosul word salad. "Iran should write us a thank you letter....Iran will take over Iraq." [real]
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I want to cry. I love our democracy, and this fuckface is just taking a sledgehammer to it. He'll leave us in suspense?! Go fuck yourself. I've been terrified for months, and here he is saying I should just continue to be IN SUSPENSE over whether he's going to help destroy our country or not? I feel sick.
posted by yasaman at 7:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


“Las Vegas turns women into men and men into idiots.”

-Bugsy Siegel. ["real"]
posted by clavdivs at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


"Mosul is going to be a wonderful thing." Yeah, not until after reconstruction.
posted by rhizome at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016


I thought NAFTA was the stupidest deal of all time.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's gonna get crucified to more on the "keep you in suspense" thing. That's going to be the soundbite pundits latch on to. That's gonna be what his surrogates have to try to clean up after. That's what a thousand talking heads will be on TV explaining to people.
posted by penduluum at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


"The stupidity of our country "

This is not helping you, talking down the entire nation while projecting your own inner state.
posted by riverlife at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is Trump an idiot?

I dunno, Pat, can I buy a vowel?
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


DJT proclaims the Iran deal the stupidest deal of all time. But I thought NAFTA was the stupidest deal of all time?
posted by mochapickle at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Mr. Trump, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this country is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
That was particularly about Mosul, but could be about pretty much anything coming out of his mouth.
posted by mhz at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


The question was about whether he'd put troops there, and he said not a single word about that. Entire answer was talking about how much he hated Clinton's position. From Wallace: nothing.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Donald Trump is a free-form poet.

We had Mosul
We lost Mosul
So sad
What happened?
General Douglas MacArthur
Who will get Mosul?
So Mosul is going to be a wonderful thing
Iran should write us a thank-you letter
We'll take Mosul
We'll take everyone out of Mosul
My two minutes are up.
posted by mattdidthat at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [87 favorites]


Iran should write us a letter of thank you!

Man this guy is so simple minded
posted by Tarumba at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Mosul: definitely not in Iran, Don.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I guess we're done just mouthing "wrong"
posted by rhizome at 7:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Because you don't move 30,000 troops into a city and make it a surprise, asshole."

Bear with me though: what if they all put on fake moustaches first
posted by Greg Nog at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [105 favorites]


Ohhhhhhh Celebrity Apprentice dis!!!!!!
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Such Mosul. No surprise. Wow. Gone.
posted by asockpuppet at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Trump saying "WRONG" directly into the mic is my new favorite thing ever. (thanks to Alec Baldwin)
posted by triggerfinger at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


"While you were doing celebrity apprentice."
posted by leotrotsky at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


holgate: He knows two generals by name and all other generals are "General Generic".

Shinseki would be way too "foreign."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016


She just brought up air support. Rachel Maddow did a segment on this yesterday. It was interesting. The Russians have set up anti aircraft in Syria. We are the only aircraft other than the Syrian government's.
posted by Sophie1 at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I think WRONG that Donald WRONG is wrong WRONG.
posted by adept256 at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wrowng. Wrowng. He actually seems to be channeling Alec Baldwin now.
posted by Flashman at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


CM (quiets crowed) Moving to hotspots; what happens the day after the forces tke back Iraq. Will you put US Troops into that vacuum to make sure ISIS doesn't come back

HRC: I am encouraged that there is na effort led by the Iraqui army supported by Kurdish forces helped by American special forces. But I will not support putting American forces as an occupying force. I think that's a red flag for ISIS to reconstitute itself. Taking Mosul is a hard fight and continuing to press into Syra and Raqqua the ISIS headquarters. . . .we know we have lots of work to do Syria will remain a hotbed of terrorism as long as the Iranians and the Russians support the regime there. I will make sure we go after them on the ground in the air and online and I"m going to continue to push for a no fly zone and safe havens within Syran to stop the flow of refugees but to gain some leverage to bring everyone to the table

CM: Trump same question

Trump: Lemme tell you - Mosul is so sad We had Mosul. She took everyone out and we're fighting again. They wanted to get the leaders of Isis who they thought were in Mosul. Whatever happened to the element of suprpise? We announce what we're going to do - we said we were going there andn they all left - the element of suprpise MacArthur spinning in his grave. we had it all we had to do was stay there. The only reason they went back to Mosul is because she's running for President. That's why we have the great migration because she wanted to look good. Much tougher than they thought. But the leaders that we wanted to get are all gon because they're smart. Mosul is going to be a beautiful thing and the russians should write us a letter to thank us. Iran has taken over Iraq, we've made it so easy for them. Iran is outsmarting . . look you're not there you might be part of that decision, but you took everyone out of Mosul, you should have taken everyone out of Iraq.

HRC: Once again Donald has supported the invations (Trump: WRONG) I have said I was wrong, you can hear the audio of him saying that why does that matter, itmatters because he's not told the truth about that position. What's really important here ist o understand the interplay Mosul is a Sunni city, we do need to go after Baghdadi, and we did whil eyou were doing the Apprentice. The fighters in Mosul are digging underground and it's going to be tough fighting. We have to take this back and take Raqqa. I'm amazed that he thinks everyone attacked Mosul to help me in this election.

Trump: Iran is taking over Iraq.


posted by petebest at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [27 favorites]


I dare you to step over this line. Ok, I'm a-steppin'.
posted by Namlit at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


next time he brings up 30 years, why doesn't she ask him to name one selfless act he had done for his country is his entire wretched life?
posted by any major dude at 7:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh Professor Rodham Clinton, school him on Mosul. YAS
posted by chaoticgood at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hilary: He has denied that he was for Iraq invasion!

Trump: WRONG

so like is she wrong that he denied it?

double negatives, Trump! This immigrant can speak better English than you.
posted by Tarumba at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Trump: "Iran is taking over Iraq."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016


PODESTARISOTTOGATE. FINALLY!
posted by tonycpsu at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did he just call her honey?
posted by schroedinger at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


TrVmp invokes MacArthur and Patton because they where both FIRED!
posted by clavdivs at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Why is it only an open discussion when she's trying to talk?
posted by Torosaurus at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [38 favorites]


On the question of Mosul, Trump is issuing the sort of barely-threaded together soliloquy of the antihero on the brink of a complete nervous breakdown in the fourth act.

The problem is in this case calling him an antihero implies there's a prospect for redemption in the fifth act.
posted by at by at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Clinton: We need to go after al-Baghdadi, like we went after bin Laden, while you were doing Celebrity Apprentice (real)
posted by Gelatin at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


And once again, Trump talks over and interrupts Clinton, and Chris Wallace tells HER to shut up and let him speak.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


I LOVE how she doesn't let Trump talk over her.
posted by Short Attention Sp at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump: "No, YOU are the one that's unfit."
posted by limeonaire at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


OK, that Chris Wallace giggle makes up for some of the prior horrors.
posted by acidic at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump: you know Wikileaks . John Podesta said terrible things about you, and Bernie Sanders said terible things. I agree with them.

HRC: Ask Bernie Sanders who he's supporting for President. He's said you're the most dangerous person running for President in modern history. I think he's right.

CM: (laughs)
posted by petebest at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [104 favorites]


That "Bernie hates you" thing didn't really connect.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Okay folks, he's in total freefall now. This thing is over. Nothing more to see here.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Uhhh... Mosul isn't on the Syrian border. Clinton must know that?
posted by Justinian at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


petebest, you are a beast
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump interrupts Clinton and Wallace tells Clinton to shut up?
posted by Flashman at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


"You said several things in that debate that were not true, sir."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I hate this wallace guy now.
posted by valkane at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump is interrupting Wallace now...why?
posted by Sangermaine at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


And Trump is just going full on attack. Wounded animal.
posted by Talez at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump is a floundering fool, but Clinton has pretty much announced we're invading Syria from the East.

God help us all.
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh, but now when Trump interrupts Wallace, he gets told to shut up and let Wallace finish. GOD!
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did Chris Wallace just laugh at Trump over this "most dangerous" comment from Clinton? Wow.
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump is just repeating the question because he doesn't actually know anything about it. Amazing.
posted by uncleozzy at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


And now he's fighting with Chris Wallace about the collapse of Aleppo? His meltdown is complete.
posted by gladly at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Everytime he says 'WRONG' I imagine John McLaughlin spinning a half turn in his grave.
posted by asockpuppet at 7:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [27 favorites]


A man who lacks the temperament to let Chris Wallace feed him a softball question
posted by savetheclocktower at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [112 favorites]


This has been a really nasty, vicious debate. The gloves are off.
posted by zarq at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


HAHAHAHAA


Trump saying Bernie does not like her

Hillary goes well who is he supporting now?

Trump: :.(
posted by Tarumba at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


Moderator currently mouthing "PLEASE STOP I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU" while Trump shouts at him
posted by Greg Nog at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [94 favorites]


Every time we get a "wrong" or "you are the one who's unfit" I see little nintendo coins blinging into Clinton's square.
posted by chortly at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [43 favorites]




Hillary wide-eyes meme!!
posted by aka burlap at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2016


Clinton burned Trump so bad, pointing out that Sanders is supoorting her and said Trump is one of the most dangerous candidates ever. Ouch.
posted by Gelatin at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I tried, I really tried to watch, but Trump's inability to put together sentences and words that meaning beautiful sad Iran terrible spinning in their graves crooked stupid terrible really great ISIS element of surprise

I don't know how you folks managed to get through these debates. I'm at once in awe of and a little worried about each and every one of you.
posted by Ghidorah at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [29 favorites]


Trump's fully wound up, he's fighting Wallace *while* Wallace is trying to set up the teeball for him to swing at.
posted by at by at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


Even after she's pointedly said it, he doesn't seem to realize it's the Iraqi Army that's trying to take Mosul. His idea is that the attack on Mosul would be kept a secret from everyone except all the military forces and participating militias in Iraq, and then it would have been a big surprise for Daesh?
posted by XMLicious at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


He thinks that saying "guess who hates you" works like it did in junior high. People say things about each other in politics!
posted by Countess Elena at 7:20 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


DJT keeps interrupting Wallace's question on Aleppo. HRC's expression is the same as someone waiting their third hour at the DMV.
posted by mochapickle at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [38 favorites]


She can talk right over both of them with missing a beat. She's going easy on these two little weenies.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


I suppose in Clinton's defense, 100 miles from the Syrian border is basically "the Syrian border" to people who probably couldn't even find Syria on a map.
posted by Justinian at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Donald Trump has fallen, what do you need a signed document or something? Sad.
posted by riverlife at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


It's obvious Trump only heard of these countries and rulers a few weeks ago from his coaches
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


When you got a trump, you got no gloves.
posted by valkane at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump is a floundering fool, but Clinton has pretty much announced we're invading Syria from the East.

That's basically a proxy war with Russia
posted by any major dude at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Whatever happened to the element of surprise? ... But yeah - Aleppo has fallen. Totally giving up there."
posted by koeselitz at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016


CM: You said some things athat weren't true about Aleppo in the interview

Trump: have you seen it? It's a disaster.

CM: If I may finish You also said Syria an Russia have been fighting ISIS but they've been bombin and shelling Aleppo.

Trump: Aleppo is so sad. And a lot of this is because of Hillary Clinton. By fighting Assad, he's much tougher and much smarter than her and Obama. He aligned with Russia and Iran, who we made very powerful. We gave them 1.7 Billion in cash. I mean - cash! Now, they've aligned with Russia and Iran, they don't want ISIS but we want other things, because we're backing rebels but we don't knw who the rebels are. But if they ever did overthrow Assad you may end up with worse than Assad. and this is what's cause dht e great migration where she's taking in 10s of thousands of refugees, and they're maybe ISIS aligned . . trojan horse . . lots of luck, you're doing a great job!
posted by petebest at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Listening to Trump feels like I'm taking crazy pills. I've listened to people I don't agree with, and that's fine, but I literally can't follow what he's saying. It's this bizarre fog of words. Does he do this on purpose or does he think he's making a point?
posted by Sangermaine at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [49 favorites]


"We don't even know who they are. We're giving them lots of money"
posted by rhizome at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Thanks, Hillary.
posted by Sophie1 at 7:21 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I loved it when Trump was fighting with the moderator, that was priceless
posted by Tarumba at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yup, gone gone gone he's gone.
posted by vrakatar at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump: pivots to "The Syrians are the great Trojan horse" in America.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


GIve him a break, he used to order a mosul and aleppo at his favorite lebanese restaurant
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


In the episode of The Americans where Reagan gets shot, Elizabeth immediately goes to DEFCON 2, breaking out the secret cache of bombs and assault weapons ready to activate as a sleeper cell and sow dissent among the chaos of a President's death.

Phillip walks in and is all like, wtf. "They don't to that here, transfer of power is peaceful".

Trump is once again on the side of the Russians, a Manchurian candidate ready to activate and spread violent unrest upon command once he loses.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [30 favorites]


Wouldn't that be a Syrian horse?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Actually, Trump reminds me of the kind of people who have books (or DVD collections) about slightly unhinged generals. And dictators. I bet he watches the History Channel when he's not watching himself on CNN.
posted by holgate at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Moderator currently mouthing "PLEASE STOP I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU" while Trump shouts at him.

So it's basically like what happens at every meeting of Trump and his campaign team.
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


Trump: "Lots of luck, Hillary".

Did he just concede the election?
posted by Room 101 at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [52 favorites]


Clinton burned Trump so bad, pointing out that Sanders is supoorting her and said Trump is one of the most dangerous candidates ever. Ouch.

She's in NV and I'm in NJ but the heat from that exchange slayed me
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


I had to run out early on in this debate but when she went after him on Putin and said Putin would rather have a puppet I cheered very loudly in my car. That was a brilliant drag.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump back to the usual Alex Jones imitation, great migration, Trojan horse blah blah shouty face
posted by iffthen at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016


It's obvious Trump only heard of these countries and rulers a few weeks ago from his coaches

Hey, he said he found out about them from an article three months ago, and I'm willing to believe him on that.
posted by Shmuel510 at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016


Is Trump an idiot? You cannot launch a major and coordinated assault on a city of millions "by surprise". You can launch airstrikes by surprise. You can launch small-scale ground ops like that which killed bin Laden by surprise. You cannot mobilize tens or hundreds of thousands of ground troops by surprise.

I think she needs a response where she says something like: "Donald, I bet you like to watch movies. I do too sometimes. And in action movies, there's always the big scene with the big military operation, lots of guns and explosions and special effects. But real life isn't quite like the movies. They don't show it in the movie, but a lot of hard work happens before that scene. Planning, logistics, the stuff our generals and troops have spent their entire lives learning to do so they can be the best in the world. They prepare so our troops have the supplies they need, the food they need, all the boring parts that are so important, but you wouldn't know that from the movies. You propose to send our troops in unprepared and unspupplied. That puts American lives at risk. This is real war, not a movie, and pretending like you know what you're talking about will get Americans killed."
posted by zachlipton at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [36 favorites]


Lots of luck Hillary? Did Trump just concede?
posted by any major dude at 7:22 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump "We've taken in 10s of thousands of Syrian refugees who in many cases are probably, no, definitely ISIS aligned". [true].

It's only 10,000, and as for the other thing, he should go fuck himself.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


WHAT

"Syrian refugees in many cases are ISIS aligned" you motherfucker have you ever met a Syrian refugee? Their lives were destroyed by ISIS you are such a Dunning Kruger posterboy
posted by Tarumba at 7:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [71 favorites]


Did he just admit Hilary will be President when he said, thereabouts, "thanks a lot for what will happen in future years." ...?
posted by equestrian at 7:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


His eyes are as red as his skin. Drug test!
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton: We need to go after al-Baghdadi, like we went after bin Laden, while you were doing Celebrity Apprentice (real)

That was a cheap shot... and a GLORIOUSLY sick burn. Thanks, Hillary, I needed the laugh.
posted by Trinity-Gehenna at 7:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [38 favorites]


Trump again brings up the so-called refugee Trojan Horse and says thanks a lot, Hillary, wait til you see what happens.

Did Trump just concede she's wonning?
posted by Gelatin at 7:23 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


He just wished her "good luck with that" wrt the Syrian refugees. He just admitted she's going to be the next President.
posted by moonlight on vermont at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Do you think he was sarcastic when he just thanked her for doing a great job?
posted by chococat at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]




Ok the last bit of Trump was absolutely incoherent. Like a whaty what wut.
posted by Namlit at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is he on downers this time?
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wallace asked a solid question about a No Fly Zone in Syria, and Clinton gave a solid response then flowed into an answer about protecting refugees. Is this what a real debate feels like??
posted by DynamiteToast at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


HRC on the refugee situation: "I am not going to slam the door on women and children."
posted by mochapickle at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


"We don't even know who they are! They could be anybody -- Mimes! Zombies! Shriners! Three garden gnomes in a trenchcoat!"
posted by PlusDistance at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [39 favorites]


Wallace: I am thr....

Trump: WRONG!

Wallace: Mr trump, I am trying to throw ...

Trump: I know nothing about Syria!

Wallace: Goddamn it I'm trying to lob a softball just fucking swi...

trump: Clinton's fault!

[fake]
posted by uncleozzy at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


Did Hillary kind of almost just call Queens a place where bad people come from?
posted by clorox at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


Swatches of land?
posted by stennieville at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


The threat comes from QUEENS!
posted by mikelieman at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


I tried, I really tried to watch, but Trump's inability to put together sentences and words that meaning beautiful sad Iran terrible spinning in their graves crooked stupid terrible really great ISIS element of surprise

I know that feeling exactly, but since he's been in freefall after the pussy grab my disgust has been transubstantiated into delicious schadenfraude because his ignorance just spills out in tendrils and chokes him. It's not scary anymore. And she is basically shivving the fucker now.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


HRC: The Pulse shooter was born in Queens, the same place Donald was born.
posted by mochapickle at 7:24 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Queen's....were Donald was born!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016


Yes, please talk as much as you want Donald.
posted by charred husk at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


CM: General Chief of Staff, a no fly zone could get into a war in Russia. How do you enforce that?

HRC: First of all a no fly zone could save lives and end the conflict. I'm aware of this threat you're talking about - this wouldn't happen in one day it takes negotiation. We've had millions leave Syria and millions who have been dislocated. Somethign that we believe is the best interest of Syria and defeating ISIS.

HRC: I'm not going to let anyone in this country who's not vetted, but we are going to help women and children and do careful vetting. that does not help uus with ISIS, it doesn't help us with Muslim communities, the killer of the dozens of people in the Pulse nightclub was born in Queens, wehre DOnalad is from. Yes some of that is from Syra and Iraq, and I will defeat ISIS.

CM: I want to get into our last topic

Trump: So ridiculous you should have defeated them already. Cease fire! A cease fire we are so outplayed on missles, on cease fires, I assume she wasn't there and had nothing to do iwth out, our coutnry is so out played nobody can believe how stupid our leadership is.
posted by petebest at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Did Trump just decide he's the moderator tonight? I mean, what's new, I guess.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016


national debt time!

*nation yawns*
posted by acidic at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


For a guy who's never met Putin and isn't being influenced by him he sure does bring Putin up and praise him a lot.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


We have a cease-fire gap, apparently.
posted by Small Dollar at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


YES! THANK YOU! These attacks are citizens or long time permanent residents who have been in the states for years.
posted by Talez at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016


Hmm. Nothing about Benghazi? Did I miss it?
posted by kingless at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


posted by mandolin conspiracy Trump: pivots to "The Syrians are the great Trojan horse" in America.

In Trump's defense, he saw Brad Pitt in Troy and it was somewhere in the middle east. So, you know, same thing.
posted by mattdidthat at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Did Hillary kind of almost just call Queens a place where bad people come from?

See, and they say she's dishonest.
posted by koeselitz at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


His voice is going shrill.
posted by annsunny at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016


Next thread title: "He's in worse shape than the national debt is in."
posted by Torosaurus at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


We should have never let *Trump* happen, right now he's in multiple countries.
posted by riverlife at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Does anyone give a fuck about the national debt?
posted by graventy at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


"This would not be done on the first day"—this just gave me a twinge of memory of all the questions about "the first 100 days of your presidency" regarding Obama drawing down troops, all those years ago, and it made me almost nostalgic for the rhetoric of those debates.
posted by limeonaire at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016


Legit question about the no-fly zones. She doesn't answer about shooting planes down.
posted by chortly at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


"vast swatches of land"

ah yes because figuring out the crisis in the Middle East is akin to selecting the color of the walls for the nursery
posted by that silly white dress at 7:25 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Trump kissing Putin's ass again I love that he brought it up, the dummy
posted by Tarumba at 7:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Here, let me summarize the debate so far.

WALLACE: "Secretary Clinton, your answer?"
CLINTON: "[three minutes of details in fully-formed sentences]"
WALLACE: "Mr. Trump, your answer?"
TRUMP: "Yo mama."
CLINTON: "[attempt to repudiate]"
TRUMP: "WRONG!"
CLINTON: "[attempting to continue]"
WALLACE: "Secretary Clinton, please do not interrupt Mr. Trump while he is interrupting you."
posted by at by at 7:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [111 favorites]


I feel like we already talked about the debt. Why are we doing that again?
posted by wabbittwax at 7:26 PM on October 19, 2016


I need to look up now whether "swatches" for "swathes", re: the vastness of land Trump's talking about Russia taking over, is a common attested usage or just a Trump innovation.
posted by cortex at 7:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


DJT: "Vast swatches of land." What, like the watch from the '80s?
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


I think the Queens thing wasn't a dis on Queens, but instead a commentary on threats not coming exclusively from overseas, as DJT insists.
posted by mochapickle at 7:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


"outplayed by Putin and Assad"

everything is an alpha male mano-a-mano battle to this guy. Everything's a personal grudge match.
posted by Miko at 7:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


I think he just said ISIS is in 32 countries. Earlier this hour, he said 34; again, I think.
posted by lauranesson at 7:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


GDP IS 1%?
posted by njohnson23 at 7:26 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


trump is going to create tremendous jobs [true]
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:26 PM on October 19, 2016


How can you possibly think the debt question is urgent when one of the candidates has said he might not accept the result? “One of you has announced your intent to blow up the foundations of governmentality in this country. My question is about the budget.”
posted by gerryblog at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


Tremendous jobs. Which aren't paid for because it's so sloppy.
posted by valkane at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


On the economy, Trump huffs the magic asterisks. No wonder Ryan won't abandon him.
posted by Gelatin at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sigh, national debt. Still nothing on climate change.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Tremendous jobs." The Donald is really killing it with specifics! LOL
posted by Short Attention Sp at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


DJT: "Less than zero." Yeah, it is definitely the '80s again.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wallace: The experts say something.
Trump: THE EXPERTS ARE WRONG
posted by chaoticgood at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


tremendous jobs for a bigly non sloppy country [fake]
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


we must use people.
posted by vrakatar at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016


If he thinks our trade negotiators are "political hacks", how does he think negotiators from China and other nations get there?
posted by Sangermaine at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is probably going to start under Obama's watch, but Clinton has announced we are going to have our forces fight Russia's forces in the air, like it's Korea and Vietnam all over.

You wanna know what's worse? Her opponent would make things dramatically worse than even that.

I really fucking hate 2016.
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


national debt time!

*nation yawns*


Clinton's answer here is important. We can't afford more austerity measures and government cuts, and she needs to break from Obama's reflexive giving in to Paul Ryan's framing.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Does he do this on purpose or does he think he's making a point?

i'm pretty sure he thinks he's the greatest orator the world has ever known. i was gonna say "i bet he thinks he's cato the fucking elder" but lbr he doesn't know who that is.
posted by poffin boffin at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


This debate: Mr. Trump, would you care to clear up your comical and fundamental misunderstanding of a basic issue? Mrs. Clinton, here's a policy question

Like I said two weeks ago. Trump is getting the remedial test, Clinton is getting the AP exam.
posted by Talez at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [104 favorites]


I think he's given up. He's run out of improv.
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:27 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just want to reiterate something that's already been said - thank you, petebest, for your detailed synopsis here. There's a reason you are my favorite fifth Beatle.
posted by Joey Michaels at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [46 favorites]


                                       DONALD (V.O.)
                                          (nodding)
                             YES I WAS BORN IN QUEENS
posted by rhizome at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I have just realized that "Well, first of all...." is grating on my nerves from both of them.

It's like people who begin every sentence with "Basically."

*nails on chalkboard*
posted by Thistledown at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016


He fucks over the Republican party so hard even when he's not trying to. How are Republicans who purport to be serious politicians going to defend his alarming comments on not accepting the outcome of the election? They can't possibly. Yet they'll continue to stand by him because it's politically expedient.
posted by MoonOrb at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


"Very much smarter." That's the best kind of smarter.
posted by mattdidthat at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


DJT: "Vast swatches of land." What, like the watch from the '80s?

Nah, big blocks of land all the same color
posted by iffthen at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


everything is an alpha male mano-a-mano battle to this guy. Everything's a personal grudge match.

He's what George Carlin was talking about with the "Bigger Dick Foreign Policy Theory."
posted by tonycpsu at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


That Ronald Reagan burn is going to really sting tomorrow. Ouch.
posted by RedOrGreen at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


"People will again go back to work, and they'll have a lot of money"—I feel like when he says "people" here, he specifically means (and is speaking to) "middle-aged white men." But maybe that's just me.
posted by limeonaire at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Wow wow wow. The first concrete plan I've heard out of Donald so far and it's to use businessmen to negotiate foreign trade deals. What on earth.
posted by moonlight on vermont at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


"The Syrians are the great Trojan horse" in America.

Or, maybe, they're the ones who had the means as well as the motivation to GTFO, while millions lack the means. FFS.
posted by holgate at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016


Goddammit! Donald Trump is really really really sad! He's just sad about everything. So so fucking sad! I don't think I was this sad in the depths of my depression. So so sad!
posted by Sophie1 at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ooh, sick burn about Trump's $100k anti Reagan ad back in the day
posted by telepanda at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


I find it really hard to not space out when Trump answers, he says nothing, really.
posted by Tarumba at 7:28 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'm trying to figure out how a dude who uses the term "bigly" is entitled to claim our leaders are stupid while insinuating that somehow he's smarter than that?
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


the trump economic machine sounds like a michael bay transformers movie, i.e. incoherent and headache inducing
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


This is probably going to start under Obama's watch, but Clinton has announced we are going to have our forces fight Russia's forces in the air, like it's Korea and Vietnam all over.

I don't think a no fly zone means imposed unilaterally. But we'll have to see what the Russians say about agreeing to one.
posted by Talez at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


> The best compromise I can imagine is maybe illustrating the efficacy of making birth control affordable and available - I think some reasonable Republicans could be persuaded if they truly believed it would result in far less abortions.

A pretty good resource on this topic, mentioned somewhere about 2,000,000 words upthreads but worth another mention:

Shannon Dingle: I'm pro-life. And I'm voting for Hillary. Here's why.
posted by flug at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Every single one of these questions is a right-wing frame. It's time to reorganize the debate commission.
posted by chortly at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [29 favorites]


"When I hear Donald say 'Make America great again' I wonder when he thought America was great."
He took out an ad in the 1980s saying the exact same things he's saying now. He just always thinks "I alone can fix it."

Damned straight.
posted by Superplin at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


The takeaway of the debate will be "I will look at it at the time" as to whether he'll accept the results of the election. People will say he was slightly more hinged, especially at first, but everything pales in comparison to the "preserving the existence of a democracy" section, and that will be the headline around the world.
posted by zachlipton at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


IT IS THE ECONOMY STUPID.
posted by vrakatar at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's not apparently on coke tonight.
posted by Lyme Drop at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's really hammering him on character in this debate, as well as facts and experience. And it's the right time to do it, and it should be pretty effective.
posted by Miko at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Clinton: Trump is so unhinged that he criticized Reagan the same way he's criticizing me (real, paraphrase)
posted by Gelatin at 7:29 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


CM: National debt is highest since WWII, a group said debt would rise to 80% of GDP and Mr. Trump 110% of GDP

Trump: they're wrong because I"m creating tremendous jobs. We're bringing gdp from 1% to 4%. I think 5 or 6% and if we do you don't have to ask your question. We'l have a tremendous machine and have tremendous jobs. I'm going to create the kind of a country we were from the stand of industry. We've become sloppy, we've had political hacks making deals that are terrible leaders. We've had great negotiators who back me and some who back hillary who are the greatest negotiators but we have to use political hacks to negotiate withChina and people who are very much smarter. We'll create an economic machine the likes of which people haven't seen

HRC: First, when I hear Donald talk like that, and MAGA, I wonder when he thought ;America was great - I think it's important to recgonzie he's been criticizing our government for decades he took out a $100k ad in NYT for Reagan, he said the exact same thing we're the laughingstock of the world, he was criticizing Regan. He thinks he alone can fix it. I've paid for everything I'm proposing not adding anything to national debt, I've covered tuition and getting prescription drug costs down, we're going to ask the wealthy to pay their fair share. We've got to get back to rebuilding the middle class, that's where growth wil come from, that's hwy I want to invest in you in your family. And we just have a big disagreement about this, he started off with his dad as a millionaire and I think we see things differently.

Trump: I disagreed with Reagan.
posted by petebest at 7:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


Despite the moderation imbalance and interruptions, she is still killing it. Mad props.
posted by danapiper at 7:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Hillary glowing like a beneficent grandmotherly faith healer extraordinaire, utterly in command of herself... Trump spewing bile and ignorance like a polluted geyser, pouting and red-faced like a frustrated spoiled child. Love split-screen.
posted by I_Love_Bananas at 7:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


Well done on economy question.
posted by Miko at 7:30 PM on October 19, 2016


Chris Wallace, what exactly is your function here?
posted by mhz at 7:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Clinton is talking middle class. Trump just talks lousy deals and how great his tax breaks are.
posted by Gelatin at 7:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


DJT: "Can I respond?"

Wallace: "Well, no."

DJT: *responds*
posted by Torosaurus at 7:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [63 favorites]


Let's means test social security!
posted by vrakatar at 7:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


it's to use businessmen to negotiate foreign trade deals.

This is a man who thinks negotiation is "I win, you lose". While I look on at the UK government saying that post-Brexit it can export tea to China and jam to Jamaica, I am out of evens.
posted by holgate at 7:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


I guess after this whole mess is done Trump can always go back to hosting The Apprentice... oh snap an immigrant stole his job.
posted by vuron at 7:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


DJT just addressed her as Hillary. He no longer wants her to be very happy.
posted by mochapickle at 7:30 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump: Nobody Does It Right
posted by Flashman at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Welp. The final question was written by one of the conservative think tanks. Which billionaire underwrote that one?
posted by at by at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ending with "Grand Bargain". What a fucking wanker you are, Chris Wallace.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Every single one of these questions is a right-wing frame. It's time to reorganize the debate commission.

Chris Wallas selected the questions and they were not known to either the candidates or the debate commission before the debate began.
posted by Bringer Tom at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


So now Ronald Reagan is spinning in *his* grave, eh Donald?

(i.e. Reagan did it wrong)
posted by riverlife at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


SYNCHRONIZE SWATCHES!

Parker Lewis 2016 - He can't lose.
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


petebest, it's CW, not CM (thanks so much for what you are doing though)
posted by dhens at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


DJT just addressed her as Hillary. He no longer wants her to be very happy.
He's been doing that all along. He's done even pretending to have any respect.
posted by Superplin at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016


What's up with the overtime?

I think she destroyed him tonight. I'm proud of her.
posted by spitbull at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Every single one of these questions is a right-wing frame. It's time to reorganize the debate commission.

"Secretary Clinton, do you think you're more like Adolf Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer? Mr. Trump, same question about Secretary Clinton."
posted by Sangermaine at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [73 favorites]




Why does he even want to be president if every other country is so much smarter than America?
posted by notaninja at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


I don't think a no fly zone means imposed unilaterally. But we'll have to see what the Russians say about agreeing to one.

They just finished an air defense network there, so probably they'll say "No."
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:31 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh Ford, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget again, like the second debate. They're devoted to slashing entitlements, period.
posted by Gelatin at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


He's just gonna let Trump skate on ignoring the question and talking about Obamacare?
posted by Rhaomi at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump is winning the grumpy old man vote. Everything sucks.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump punts on the Social Security question, "my bigly economy increases will fix it" [paraphrase]
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


PSA: the numbers Trump just said about Obamacare premium increases "60, 70 per cent, and next year 100 per cent" are pulled right out of his ass.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


SUCH A NASTY WOMAN?
posted by vrakatar at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [99 favorites]


What the heck happened to Chris Wallace's 401k to make him choose Social Security, an issue that neither candidate has made an issue, as the last question of the debate? Sad!
posted by acidic at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016


Wallace asks about Medicare/Medicaid funding and DJT natters on about Obamacare. Wallace lets it go. Boooooo.
posted by mochapickle at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016


She wants to make it worse. And she can't even do that!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


He just interrupted her with "such a nasty woman?" W. T. F.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [59 favorites]


Did Trump just for real say "such a nasty woman"?
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Every single one of these questions is a right-wing frame. It's time to reorganize the debate commission.


It used to be run by the league of Women voters, Bill Clinton put an end to that.
posted by any major dude at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Such a nasty woman! [real]
posted by Sophie1 at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Chris Wallas selected the questions and they were not known to either the candidates or the debate commission before the debate began.

And who the f selected Chris Wallace?
posted by chortly at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Did he just call her "such a nasty woman"?
posted by Torosaurus at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Josh Marshall: "Again, the arbiter of the debt issue is a right-leaning social spending cutting group, just as it was in one of the earlier debates. That's a problem."

Rich granny-starvers need to go on a catfood diet.
posted by holgate at 7:32 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


Well, for Trump, tonight has been whatever the opposite of a “pivot” is
posted by savetheclocktower at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Such a nasty woman."

Holy fuck.
posted by spitbull at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [66 favorites]


For a fox guy, the moderator was not too shabby, I think. He was kind of annoying to Clinton but he did call out Trump several times and maybe unintentionally made him look like an idiot

BTW Trump just said he's really glad premiums are going up because it proves his point that Obamacare sucks
posted by Tarumba at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


"Such a nasty woman" (accompanied by pointing and puckered butt face)

That'll win hearts and minds.
posted by uncleozzy at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


The least Trump could do would be to refer to her new title "Madame President"
posted by vuron at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Trump interjection "What a nasty woman."

So that's what debates are now huh?
posted by craven_morhead at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


"I'll raise taxes" BAM, thank you!
posted by rhizome at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Such a nasty woman."

I'm speechless. I am without speech.
posted by Room 641-A at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [29 favorites]


Did he really just say "such a nasty woman"? Did I hear that right?
posted by limeonaire at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Such a nasty woman" ???
posted by kuatto at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Wow. As Clinton is talking about how she'll deal with Social Security funding, Trump jumps in with "WHAT A NASTY WOMAN."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Did Wallace say entitlements are 60% of the budget or something?
posted by klarck at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016


Did Trump just call HRC, "Such a nasty woman"? Fuck him.
posted by gladly at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


Wait, did Trump really just say "such a disgusting woman" over Hillary speaking? Please tell me I misheard.
posted by telepanda at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Such a nasty woman," he interrupts in response to a tax quip
posted by prize bull octorok at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


What? Did he just call her a "nasty woman?"

Oh my god!
posted by Miss Scarlet with the Candlestick in the Lounge at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Asked whether she would consider a 'grand bargain' to increase taxes while cutting benefits -- Clinton: 'I will not cut benefits.'

Period.
posted by cjelli at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Oh shit.
"My social security contribution will go up as will Donald's, well, if he can't figure out a way to get out of it "
"Such a nasty woman."
posted by zarq at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [49 favorites]


CM: Entitlement is 60% of the budget. Would you as president save Medicare and SS with a grand bargain tax increases and benefit cuts?


Trump: I'm cutting taxes and rebuiding the economy

CM: That won't help the budget issue

Trump: It's totally going to help. Obamacare is a disaster. Repeal it if it doesn't die of it's own weight. Premiums are going up 60-70-80 percent. She wants to keep Obamacare and she wants to make it even worse.

HRC: I'm on record as saying to put more money in SS trust fun, that's part of the commitment. My SS contribution will go up as will Donalds if he can't think of a way to get out of it

Trump: she's so nasty

HRC: but what donald is proposing is a 20 Trillion national debt. The Affordable Care Act extended the solvency of the SS trust fund if eh repleals it it will hurt Social Security.
posted by petebest at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


I Alone.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Your husband disagrees with you."

Every interjection more sexist than the last.
posted by spitbull at 7:33 PM on October 19, 2016 [76 favorites]


"such a nasty woman"
posted by My Dad at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Such a nasty woman." I don't think I've ever felt such disgust for another person.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [26 favorites]


I threw a debate party and won my own bingo trophy. The winning column was: Antonin Scalia, Supreme Court, Sniff (free space), Bernie Sanders, Clinton Foundation.
posted by palindromic at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


Surprise closing statements!
posted by charred husk at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump at Hillary: "Such a nasty woman" [real!]
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


EVERYONE HEARD "NASTY WOMAN" CORRECTLY. NOBODY CAN GASLIGHT US ON THIS.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [136 favorites]


all my remaining favorites to petebest, well done and thank you!
posted by wallabear at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


Oh my. He's about to go full Bill if he gets the mic back
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016


I hope Clinton points out that there's no crisis in Social Security that a tax increase won't solve.

....she did! And flatly refused to cut benefits!

*And* criticized his tax cuts! *And* defended Obamacare! I may need a cigarette.
posted by Gelatin at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [51 favorites]


whatever the opposite of a “pivot” is

A divot?
posted by holgate at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [34 favorites]


Chris Wallas selected the questions and they were not known to either the candidates or the debate commission before the debate began.

Chris Wallace. The debate questions were his work. This is the work of Chris Walas.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump disagrees by saying "Your husband disagrees with you".

submitted without comment.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


Chris Wallace says they didn't agree on closing statements, but he's going to ask them to give them anyway and maybe it will be more interesting because they aren't prepared. What the hell man?

Anyway, it sounds like Clinton prepared one anyway, because she's been preparing one since at least high school.
posted by zachlipton at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [100 favorites]


god i hope she rips off her pantsuit to reveal a janet jackson black leather outfit and leads the audience in a chorus of nasty boys
posted by poffin boffin at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [114 favorites]


How many of his positions even actually align with traditional Republican positions? He's all over the place. What a well-earned, truly deserved nightmare for the craven Republican party of the last several decades.
posted by MoonOrb at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Donnie, Hillary is used to BS from assholes like you, you can call her nasty or talk about her husband, SHE DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT AND YOU CAN'T INTIMIDATE HER
posted by Tarumba at 7:34 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


Oh. It was nasty, not disgusting. That's better.

*rage-hurls phone at tv*
posted by telepanda at 7:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Haven't prepared closing statements"

Clinton prepared one. She's Leslie fucking Knope.
posted by Talez at 7:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [147 favorites]


Of course Trump gets the last word.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Why you?" such a Chris Wallace question. What a schmoe, trying to steal some thunder from whatever their final campaign speeches are.
posted by rhizome at 7:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: Kneel before Zod! [fake]
posted by cmfletcher at 7:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Her elevator pitch is incredible.
posted by mikelieman at 7:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


I wonder if the debates could cover topics like climate change and education if they didn't need to devote so much time to arguing about Trump's "fitness" for the presidency.
posted by bibliowench at 7:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


I wouldn't claim to be 1st at anything and Trump still has the gall to claim he's the most respectful of women...
posted by DynamiteToast at 7:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"She's raising the money from the people she wants to control" --> What does that actually mean? Like, seriously, WTF is he talking about?
posted by guster4lovers at 7:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Hillary closing with a call for optimisim and hope. How will Trump react?
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:35 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump must think that all the votes he need to win the election are from men and that all men have almost as much respect for woman as he does.
posted by any major dude at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


She just put a bow on it. He's going out on a tangential rant.
posted by spitbull at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Anyway, it sounds like Clinton prepared one anyway, because she's been preparing one since at least high school.

Update: Trump has not prepared one, and rants about people in inner cities.
posted by zachlipton at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


Why should we elect you?

Trump: Because the world sucks.
posted by cirhosis at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Donnie might be drugged, maybe yeah.
posted by vrakatar at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016


AGAIN, he goes right from "inner cities" to "African Americans." How do we get a candidate deported?
posted by Miss Scarlet with the Candlestick in the Lounge at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [48 favorites]


"The inner city has no education and no jobs. I will do more for African Americans than she has ever done." Oh God.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, Clinton sure sounds prepared for the unprepared closing statement.

Trump serves up wilted word salad.
posted by Gelatin at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's "Madam President" if you're nasty.
posted by Metroid Baby at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [106 favorites]


OK, I am sighing like the biggest sigh of relief that has ever happened on earth.
posted by glhaynes at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Smile!!!!
posted by spitbull at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


CM: I"m going to put a clock up you have one minute to tell the American people why you should be elected.

HRC: Everyoen watching tonight, I'm reaching out to all americans Dems, Reps, Ind, because we need everyone to make the economy work for everyone. We need your skills and ambition. I've been priviliedged to see the presidency up close and I know what it takes to work to make your lives better. I have done that my whole life, I will stand up to coprporations, I will make your childrens college affordable, I hope you'll vote for me.

Trump: she's going to pay for it with taxes. I wanted to Make American Great Again. We'll take care of immigrants, we need law and order, our inner cities are a disaster, you get shot walking to the store, I'll do more for AA than she can do in ten lifetimes, they'll get the voete, they'll say we'll see you in four years. It has to start now, we can not take four more years of Obama and that's what you get with her.
posted by petebest at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [51 favorites]


Ha, Wallace gives them a surprise "closing statements" question saying that it'll be more interesting b/c they haven't prepared.

OH THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK CHRIS
posted by aka burlap at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


Trump: "All she's done is talk to the African Americans and the Latinos."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


"We need law and order, but we need justice too"—what a surprise that law and order hasn't included justice this whole time.
posted by XMLicious at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


Wow, Trump's non-closing-statement-closing-statement is an utter dumpster fire. It's terrible. Like... even for Donald Trump?

BUT THANK GOD THIS IS OVER.

Clear sailing to election day, guys. Full hearts, clear eyes.
posted by Justinian at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [48 favorites]


"Such a nasty woman"

No, her fist name ain't baby, it's Hillary, Madame President if you're nasty
posted by mattdidthat at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


He's not even looking into the camera. Talking to himself.
posted by Namlit at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Clinton's expression when Wallace mentions that this is the last time they will be on stage together -- priceless!
posted by TwoToneRow at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


♫Madame President if you're nasty♫
posted by acidic at 7:36 PM on October 19, 2016 [20 favorites]


Four more years of Obama? He just sold me.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [29 favorites]


How dare you talk about veterans after the Khan thing.
posted by Miko at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


You know who else got shot walking to the store?
posted by stet at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


The African Americans. What a douchebag!
posted by Sophie1 at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


"When you elect her, you get 4 more years of Obama." What an idiot--isn't that what everyone wants?
posted by carrienation at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [26 favorites]


Saying voting for Hillary means four more years of Obama is not an insult, Donald. Also kudos to Clinton on trolling him into calling her a nasty woman. He just can not resist bait.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Donald: "You get shot going down to the store"
Chris: (V.O) holy shit
posted by rhizome at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Please mansplain to our president-to-be what her husband thinks. Dear Lord!
posted by riverlife at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oop, I guess he's going to cram every soundbite he didn't use during the debate into closing statements. I was afraid we wouldn't hear about how you get shot walking down the street.
posted by jackbishop at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Our inner cities are a disaster. They have no education, they have no jobs. The African-Americans and the Latinos ..."

WHAT.
posted by Joe in Australia at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


On rewatch, you'll see he took a moment to come up with that "nasty woman" retort when he dipped his head down like a toad. Like, not even a spontaneous crack, it was about as premeditated as he can manage.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


DJT: "You get shot walking to the store." I think Trayvon was walking from the store.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [59 favorites]


Called it.
posted by joedan at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clinton shakes Wallace's hand while Trump stays behind, doesn't greet her.
posted by zachlipton at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016


Trump, your closing statement about why you should be president?

20 sentences about how shitty Hillary is, then Make America Great.

Very inspiring, asshat.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Can this debate please end with Trump falling through a trap door?
posted by MoonOrb at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [25 favorites]


She's talked to African Americans and Latinos! The gall. Trump would never.
posted by ferret branca at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


You can tell DJT didn't prep/isn't a pro bc he's making eye contact with CW instead of looking into the camera when he addresses AmericA.
posted by alleycat01 at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


When Trump says Latinos I feel as connected to my heritage as I have ever been and I hate him even more.
posted by Tarumba at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [31 favorites]


Man, she killed on the end. Good work madame president.
posted by valkane at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


No I'm pretty sure all of you people just misheard what he said about Hillary. After all that would be completely out of character because nobody has more respect for women than Donald Trump.

He might actually respect them too much which is why he's always trying to touch them and creep on them.
posted by vuron at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Fun fact: Obama's current approval rating is a net +6.
posted by Rhaomi at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Wow, what a trash fire.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:37 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


No handshake.
posted by dhens at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016


Seeing her hug Meg Whitman made me smile.
posted by Surely This at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


My friend just left. Where can I watch a recording of the debate?
posted by rebent at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016


C-SPAN: they don't shake hands. They shook Chris Wallace's hand though.
posted by ZeusHumms at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


In all three debates, the only effective thing he said is the very last: We can not afford another four years of Barack Obama, and that is what she'll deliver.

It's probably too late to convince people that he's a better alternative, though.
posted by Gelatin at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


#ImwithNasty
posted by ghharr at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [72 favorites]


"four more years of Barack Obama. That's what you get when you get her."

I live in a very, very, conservative community. A lot of Trump voters, a lot of never-Hillary voters. And if they took Trump's word for it, a lot of people I've spoken to - who've come to admit that Obama wasn't as bad as they feared - would consider that a marked improvement over what they've been fed from right-wing media.
posted by mhz at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


I don't know how I got through that without a rage-induced aneurysm. Gaslighting is his primary strategy.
posted by Pope Guilty at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Well thanks everyone for liveblogging this 4534 hit combo. I've been reading and listening to the heaviest music possible to drown out the actual debate sounds from the TV room.
posted by selfnoise at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016


Clear sailing to election day, guys. Full hearts, clear eyes.

Don't rape.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump brings his family up to the stage, Clinton goes out to the audience. Telling.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Lester Holt: "there was the first half hour, and then there was the last hour."
Chuck Todd: "The closest thing we had to a normal debate."
posted by holgate at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hillary hugging Christine Whitman!
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Please let Hillary have an ad about the Nasty Woman comment. Feeds into all the other awful comments he's lobbed to women.

Ha -- NBC commentary: "For a while, it seemed like a normal presidential debate!" High praise.
posted by mochapickle at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Takeaways from the debate are future of democracy and "such a nasty woman." Policy is irrelevant.
posted by zachlipton at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


clinton meets the audience and supporters, trump is still at the stage surrounded by family
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


So I'm watching this on Fox (clearest antenna signal) and they IMMEDIATELY cut to a Fox announcer emphasizing the horrifying transfer-of-power non-answer as the single most significant part before cutting to commercial
posted by Greg Nog at 7:38 PM on October 19, 2016 [55 favorites]


He is still on stage with his entire family, poofing his chest out. She is down in the crowd greeting and listening. The election in a nutshell.
posted by danapiper at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


I'm glad Clinton got a chance to show that she could win in a normal debate as well as a debased shitshow.
posted by Flashman at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


NBC called it for Clinton obvs

They said Trump's answers were 10% okay haha
posted by Tarumba at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


CNN going with Donald didn't do enough and Trump declaring he wouldn't accept the results of the election is unprecedented and dangerous. So yeah. She's won the pundits at least.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Jesus Christ, what a rambling, racist, sexist, mendacious steaming pile of words all crammed into 90 minutes.

Tomorrow Mike Pence will tell us all how proud he is of this.
posted by MoonOrb at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


Such weird optics: Clinton dives in the crowd, Donald waits on stage to be surrounded by his family.
posted by Short Attention Sp at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


The PBS News Hour folks said that this was her best debate performance ever, and that his highlight of the night would be the "I'll leave you in suspense" line.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


No closing handshake this time.

(Are they really both going to do the Al Smith dinner?)
posted by Shmuel510 at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


uuuuh NASTY WOMAN becoming a thing!!! for NBC at least
posted by Tarumba at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


CNN post-analysis is absolutely killing him
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


WALLACE: OK, here's your last chance to make your pitch to the American people. Tell them why you should be President.

CLINTON (speaking directly to the camera): intelligent, adult comments

TRUMP (speaking off camera, to moderator): gibberish

Is... is he just trying to get Wallace's vote? Why isn't he trying to convince the voters?

He prepared for nothing.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Trump really looked defeated after the end, no smiles and waves like Hillary, just slouching, scowling deflation.
posted by kewb at 7:39 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Well, I think this was Hillary hands down. She looked happy and confident; he looked jealous and angry. And for the closing statement, she addressed the viewer by looking straight into the camera; he kept switching between the moderator, the camera, and maybe the audience. I mean, this was his chance to look maybe a bit presidential, and he blew it.
posted by Joe in Australia at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


My friend just left. Where can I watch a recording of the debate?

Probably YouTube. I just watched it there and I can't imagine it will take long for them to serve it again.
posted by rhizome at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2016


NBC talking heads: Trump had a good first 30 minutes. Clinton was prepared througout. And Trump won't do well with tomorrow's fact checkers.

Between that and "nasty woman," their reaction is that he lost.
posted by Gelatin at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


No handshake. Awkward.
posted by delight at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


For like the first and only time, I agree with Ailes: prepping was a waste of time.
posted by zachlipton at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


If any of you have a splitting headache from watching that, please consider this to help you sleep: Trump did nothing to help himself. Not a single damn thing. Many MANY things to hurt him. This was already over. Now it's more over.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Petebest, you really are the best. You did yeoman's work keeping up with what they were saying: future generations of Mefites will sing your praises as they mine these election threads for nuggets of meaning.
posted by Superplin at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [90 favorites]


Such weird optics: Clinton dives in the crowd

Not literally, sadly.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


Crosstalk from the NYT live stream audio, which is still on:

"Governor of Mississippi. Cigarette mouth." [real]

Have no idea what the context is, but will leave it here.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Ivanka, girl, what is going on with that single sleeve shirt???
posted by moonlight on vermont at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2016


Post debate cams on C-SPAN;

Clinton: lots of touching and even some hugging and then chatting, all through the crowd

Trump: barely tolerated concession to touch (by his ENTIRE FAMILY) and milling around in a knot on stage
posted by porpoise at 7:40 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think the unremarked moment I liked the most was the glint in her eye when he bragged about going to Miami's Little Haiti.
posted by carrienation at 7:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


NBC is also focusing on the "I'll keep you in suspense" about accepting the election result.
posted by Gelatin at 7:41 PM on October 19, 2016


Also, if you haven't seen the Gregory Brothers' songified version of Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" video, you really should.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


He prepared for nothing.

He's pretty well prepared to be a sexual abuser. He practiced A LOT, apparently.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


thank god there was no handshake, there's only so much slime that clinton can handle
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


NBC commentary "There were a few minutes there where this really sounded like a presidential debate." -

Who is the guy who took Trumps legal pad, folded it in half and took it away?
posted by tilde at 7:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


YOUR HUSBAND DISAGREES WITH YOU!

Well, good. She's clearly smarter than Bill. Not as charismatic, no, smarter, yes. Trump looked so damn DUMB, wow.
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


PBS commentators are eviscerating him. "Incoherent". Appalling at "we'll see" if he'll accept the results of the election.
posted by Sublimity at 7:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


CM: Thanks to the CPD, now the decision is up to you. We all agree we hope you will go vote, it is one of the honors of living in thsi country. Thank ou and Good night.

HRC shakes Chris' hand. Walks over to Trump, but he doesn't want to shake her hand. Hillary wades into the crowd. Trump shakes Crhis' hand. Trump stands around on stage, the Trumpkids show up (hi Tiffany!) and they stand there. Hillary works the crowd on the floor.

Trump walks offstage . . . wading into the crowd? Sort of . . . Hesitantly. HRCl takes pictures with fans. Trump meets some of the crowd. Nods a lot. Frowny trump face. Hillary is smiling, shaking hands.

Hillary is like after Church, smiling and hugging. Trump appears to have wandered off Pence and Palin are taling. Trump exits the room. Hillary still working the crowd who are pressing to the front to see her.
posted by petebest at 7:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [46 favorites]


I just tuned into the CBC debriefing. Did Michael Enright just say (approvingly) that we saw a different Donald Trump tonight? (I love a lot of what he does on cultural topics, but he is an unabashed dispenser of conventional wisdom on American politics.)
posted by maudlin at 7:41 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


This may have been a trash fire, but it was the best debate period. The crowd could barely be heard on the TV broadcast, Clinton gave great, solid answers to great solid questions from Wallace. And Trump seemed like an idiot. We're gonna win big.
posted by DynamiteToast at 7:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Dear god, please tell me the media narrative will go hard against Trump for NOT ACCEPTING OUR DEMOCRACY. Like, I cannot deal with life if everyone just shrugs and accepts that.
posted by yasaman at 7:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [30 favorites]


(Are they really both going to do the Al Smith dinner?)

Oh, that's going to be the passive-aggressive fourth debate. I don't know whether I'd prefer HRC to go on first and lightly rib him, then sit down while he asplode, or go on second after he bombs, do the classic Al Smith thing and sit down.
posted by holgate at 7:42 PM on October 19, 2016


NBC talking heads: the rich asshole had a good first 30 minutes.

Yeah, good job counteracting the uppers with the downers, until the downers wore off.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Plenty of time for Donnie to flame out even worse, and cash is drying up, plus he said he might not except the election result. That is international news.
posted by vrakatar at 7:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]




You know... all those people DJT invited in the audience and it didn't shake her one bit.

I admire her strength and composure so much.
posted by mochapickle at 7:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


Watching the post-debate handshaking and I am fangirling Hillary so hard I fear my brain may break.

I'll go back to normal, enthusiastic levels of support shortly.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Clinton is working the crowd, while Trump is out by his car.
posted by zachlipton at 7:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Was that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and then Ted Danson congratulating her? Sometimes it's hard to tell these events from my anxiety dreams.
posted by chortly at 7:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [48 favorites]


Add PBS to the list of "I'll keep you in suspense" being the top takeaway.
posted by klarck at 7:42 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


NBC now has a Republican saying Trump's refusal to accept the result of the election is the nail in the coffin.
posted by Gelatin at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


WaPo headline right now: Trump won’t commit to accepting election results if he loses

Subheadline: Clinton blasts Trump for ‘horrifying’ remark
posted by Pallas Athena at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


Winner: Clinton

Losers: civil discourse and democracy
posted by FelliniBlank at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [41 favorites]


Steve Schmidt says Donald's answer about a concession is "disqualifying".
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


She's still glad handing and he's already at the SUV.
posted by Sophie1 at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016


There is a 0% chance that Donald Trump will make a concession speech on election night. There's only a 70% chance that he will admit he lost at any point afterward.
posted by savetheclocktower at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


So, Jimmy Carter agress that we didn't steal the 2000 election fair and square, bless his heart.
posted by clavdivs at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016


Haha, I walked down the hall to where my husband was avoiding this debate and found him listening to "Pink Elephants on Parade" from Dumbo to drown out the sounds of the broadcast. Now he's listening to Janet Jackson's "Nasty." Excellent.
posted by limeonaire at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


petebest 2024: MetaFilterer Together
posted by tonycpsu at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Bad hombres and nasty women, y'all.
posted by triggerfinger at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [60 favorites]


So I guess we'll get another 4 years of Kate McKinnon as President Clinton now.

But Alec Baldwin obviously needs the work
posted by vuron at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


I can only watch one network at a time, can we get some summaries of what, say, CNN is saying?
posted by zachlipton at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


NBC is also going hard on the "suspense" line.

Nicolle Wallace: "on democracy... a disqualifying statement... a lights-out moment."
posted by holgate at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


petebest performed best during this debate ✌
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


There is at least one youtube stream replaying it right now, if you missed it and want to watch.
posted by mrgoat at 7:43 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Wait, did he say "I'll keep you in suspense" in response to the question about accepting the election results??
posted by Room 641-A at 7:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yes, Danson and his wife Mary Steenburgen in the audience. Big Dem supporters for years.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


DJT in the audience, shaking hands(!) and kissing ladies. [real]
posted by mochapickle at 7:44 PM on October 19, 2016


Did Donald Trump just shake hands with Vince Neil?
posted by tetsuo at 7:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


omg talking to these dumbshit undecideds on CBS. This one lady moved from undecided TO TRUMP because he's got "the issues."
posted by phunniemee at 7:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Well, good. She's clearly smarter than Bill. Not as charismatic, no, smarter, yes.

I don't think it's necessary to go there. Bill plays up the aw shucks regular guy thing but he was a Rhodes Scholar and is a lot smarter than his persona lets on.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


NBC commentator on Trump saying he would keep us in suspense about accepting results: like he layed down in his own coffin and nailed the lid shut himself
posted by mikepop at 7:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Ooh! John Podesta just said Subdued Trump was from being thrown off his fame by serious questions.
posted by Gelatin at 7:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Dear god, please tell me the media narrative will go hard against Trump for NOT ACCEPTING OUR DEMOCRACY. Like, I cannot deal with life if everyone just shrugs and accepts that.

well, if Politico's any indication ... yes
posted by philip-random at 7:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


You guys, I followed this completely here on Metafilter and are popcorn the whole time. Eating popcorn while Trump gets torn apart is really satisfying.[real]
posted by Joey Michaels at 7:44 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


Steve Schmidt called Trump a clear and present danger to the future of our democracy, so I think it's fair to say that people are not having it.
posted by Justinian at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Jon Lovett on Keeping it 1600: "The Trump train is like the Washington metro at this point, it is on fire, and delayed."
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [30 favorites]


I shook her hand once. I'm proud.
posted by valkane at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is a cool graph.
posted by limeonaire at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


Oh, man, Jon Lovett in the KI1600 post-hoc discussion: "The Trump train is like the Washington Metro at this point: on fire, and delayed."

I have such an inappropriate crush.
posted by Superplin at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


YES - thank you petebest for all the great summaries. Really appreciated.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Again, as I said in the Super Tuesday thread eleventeen years ago, my old man could have changed the world years ago by stepping on the gas. Sorry again, everyone.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


"All network postgame analysis begins with Trump's refusal to promise to recognize the outcome of the election. Even Fox News #ByeFelicia" --@KeithOlbermann

Steve Schmidt on MSNBC: "He was like an old man sitting in the park feeding squirrels arguing with himself on the subject of Mosul"
posted by zachlipton at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [29 favorites]


Thanks to everyone here who has helped to make this utterly bizarre election year bearable.
posted by njohnson23 at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]




Kellyanne Conway just now: "Please let me die" [Fake]
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


NBC is going after Trump for the "I will not accept" too.
posted by Gelatin at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


like he layed down in his own coffin and nailed the lid shut himself

SHRILL HORRIBLE WITCH CACKLES
posted by poffin boffin at 7:45 PM on October 19, 2016 [39 favorites]


hillary should open her next rally with "Intergalactic" off the album Hello Nasty:

"Well, now, don't you tell me to smile
You stick around I'll make it worth your while"
posted by entropicamericana at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [26 favorites]


Steve Schmidt: Trump an old man hanging out with squirrels arguing with himself
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016




Someone must have warned him about overusing the word "disaster" because I only counted four or five uses this time. That's four or five times in the space of 90 minutes. Wonder why that word is on his mind so much? Projection?
posted by fuse theorem at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016


NYT headline: Trump Won't Say if He Will Accept Election Results

sub: Debate Swerves From Policy to Personal Attacks
posted by Pallas Athena at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


CBS has a focus group of undecided voters and the moderator is just so over it- "WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE?!" "COME ON!"

It's so hilarious
posted by Torosaurus at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Kellyanne Conway discussing the non-concession statement on CNN is making me appreciate how dead-on Kate McKinnon's SNL impression was.
posted by Rhaomi at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Of course all the channels are making noise about his "suspense" comment. Rigged system, believe it folks.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016


Don gets in the black car with the family, retreating to his cloistered bubble and heading back to his hideout. Meanwhile, Hilz is still on the floor, meeting, hugging, shaking hands.
posted by Miko at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh my God, Kellyanne just now on CNN (paraphrased): "Trump will accept the results of the election because he will win the election, so it won't be hard."
posted by lalex at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


And this graph of "Trump Iraq" is heartening.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


In other news, Chicago is up 6-2 at the top of the sixth. So, uh, 2016. Huh.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


I want a remake of The War Room that follows the Trump campaign team and has lots of shots of facepalming set to either sad trombones or Yakety Sax.

Seriously, I am morbidly curious about what it must have been like trying to manage this steaming pile of waste and then watching it all go up in sniffly flames - repeatedly. Can Trump legally prevent anyone from his staff from telling their stories to the public?
posted by bibliowench at 7:46 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


BBC certainly going strong on him saying the election is illegitimate and won't say whether he accepts the results of the election. I think that's going to lead the cycle, and it's going to make life verrrry interesting for the Republicans over the next couple of weeks.
posted by Devonian at 7:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


The PBS commentators seem so downtrodden and disgusted. "Such a small man and a small mind." David Brooks looks like he wants to throw up.
posted by something something at 7:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [29 favorites]


This election isn't even Hermione vs. Draco, is it? It's Hermione vs. Dudley.
posted by ocherdraco at 7:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [173 favorites]


I just wanted to say that for perspective I am kind of blown away by what a huge deal everyone is making about how Trump won't accept the results, it's not what I'm used to and I love that I was so lucky to end up moving here to the US.

I mean that kind of low blow is what I was used to when I lived in South America and I am so impressed that the US has such high standards, even though it might feel like things are a little depressing right now.

I arrived here as an immigrant and it was like arriving to someone's house and the house is super well kept and organized. I know you might find it hard to believe but yeah things can be a lot shittier. I have never met an immigrant who didn't feel this way.
posted by Tarumba at 7:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [208 favorites]


If for nothing else (and there was else), Clinton won it on the way she engaged the audience - Trump looked peevish and cranky, she looked happy and glad to be talking to people.
posted by Death and Gravity at 7:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


This one lady is saying she's still undecided. Dude in a blazer and sneakers yells at her and says "what do you want, what do you want." She says she's going to have to do some soul searching.

If you're still undecided at this point I suspect you may not have a soul to find.
posted by phunniemee at 7:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [97 favorites]


Yes, Danson and his wife Mary Steenburgen in the audience. Big Dem supporters for years.

Steenburgen goes back with the Clintons to the Arkansas days.
posted by Room 641-A at 7:47 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


PBS is saying the election result line and the unwillingness to accept foreign intelligence re: Russia are the two main take-aways of the night.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Honestly kind of impressed that the media is horrified by this election rigging talk. Imagine what a civil war would do to ratings.
posted by acidic at 7:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


I have torn you
a new asshole
and won
this debate

which
you were probably
hoping
would save you

Forgive me
but you had it coming
so sweet
and so satisfying

posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [201 favorites]


I also bought more Hillary swag tonight, but surely someone's working on a Such a Nasty Woman shirt right now and I want one.
posted by rewil at 7:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


Can Trump legally prevent anyone from his staff from telling their stories to the public?

He makes everyone who works for him sign a NDA promising not to disparage him or damage his brand.
posted by Bringer Tom at 7:48 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


All joking aside I do find the rigging talk really worrying. I seriously think some Trump supporters are going to try something when he loses. I hope Clinton has enough security.

Even if they don't, the second Clinton presidency will be like the first one: plagued by militant rightwing nuts and conspiracy theorists.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hillary is still working because she knows that this is part of her job. People want to be with her and the fact is, she wants to be with them. He is gone and doesn't give a shit about the little people. She understands that it is ALL about them. I love her. [Obviously]
posted by Sophie1 at 7:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [32 favorites]


it's hermione vs the dragon dung hagrid uses to fertilize his garden
posted by poffin boffin at 7:49 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


nasty boys (this comic is strangely accurate version as an alternate Trump past)
posted by litleozy at 7:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Matt Haughey ‏@mathowie
Trump "Nobody has more respect for women than I do."

Let's go to the video:
posted by joedan at 7:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [39 favorites]


But Alec Baldwin obviously needs the work
He's the voice of the title character in Dreamworks' upcoming animated feature "The Boss Baby". His Trump experience will serve him well.
posted by oneswellfoop at 7:50 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


How long was her closing statement? I watched it and I just want to know - did she do some 59.99 seconds stuff? I just want to know. I know it wasn't exactly a minute, but it was that damn good that it felt like it.
posted by cashman at 7:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Katy Tur is surprised Benghazi didn't come up. She says his campaign is pleased overall.
posted by kingless at 7:51 PM on October 19, 2016


Frank Luntz is an asshole, but even he didn't deserve to have to wring opinions out of those indecisive halfwits.
posted by jackbishop at 7:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


ABC hitting hard on the refusal to accept the results.
posted by adamg at 7:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


surely someone's working on a Such a Nasty Woman shirt right now and I want one.

Oh, me too. Heck, if anyone wants to gin one up and donate some of the proceeds, sign me up.
posted by Miko at 7:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is an insane shitfight over Al Gore and Florida.

Though I do agree that you cannot polish this turd.
posted by telepanda at 7:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I really liked how she managed to keep her suit white through that bloodbath /shit storm. It was a bold choice, I was super nervous that it was going to get ruined.
posted by humanfont at 7:51 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


CBS has a focus group of undecided voters and the moderator is just so over it- "WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE?!" "COME ON!"

It's so hilarious


Where is this? I NEED DIS
posted by dhens at 7:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Does anybody have a read on what conservative news outlets are saying about the debate? What about the fascists? I don't dare look.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 7:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Really, Chris Wallace, it's like you took a pair of novelty Groucho Glasses, and ripped off the eyebrows, nose and mustache, and decided THIS gave you gravitas. If there were lenses in them, they were made of Saran Wrap and hot-glued in.

There. I said it. I'm not sorry.
posted by Slap*Happy at 7:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bill plays up the aw shucks regular guy thing but he was a Rhodes Scholar and is a lot smarter than his persona lets on.

Different times, different backgrounds, different people, but very similar in terms of wanting to know everything there is to know about stuff. I know people -- usually American grad students -- who've randomly bumped into Bill (and his Secret Service detail) on his trips to Oxford when Chelsea was there, and ended up having detailed conversations that tapped into the low-level stuff the students were researching for their masters and doctoral theses. I think of them in terms of the difference between voraciousness and fastidiousness.
posted by holgate at 7:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Jeffrey Lord on CNN equating Trump's pussyfooting of constitutional crisis three weeks before the election with Al Gore not immediately conceding the 2000 race. When there was, y'know, an automatic recount in a decisive state.
posted by Rhaomi at 7:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


NBC News analysis: "every headline across the media right now is: Donald Trump won't accept the results."

This is done as of today.
posted by Miko at 7:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


NBC talking about Trump accepting the outcome.
posted by kingless at 7:52 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Still watching CNN.

I am desperately wishing for Anderson Cooper to go full-ninja and start killing people.
posted by Thistledown at 7:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Nasty Grrls by Childbirth
posted by Joey Michaels at 7:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


OMFG WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON ELECTION NIGHT MY ASS

AN ELECTION WILL HAPPEN
PER CAREFULLY CRAFTED RULES
AND THERE WILL BE A RESULT

CNN folks are falling apart, yo
posted by telepanda at 7:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


Clinton's closing statement was 60 seconds +/-1
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 7:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]




@stephenjay:
End of first debate:
HOLT: Will you accept the outcome of the election?
TRUMP: The answer is, if she wins, I will absolutely support her.
posted by penduluum at 7:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


I arrived here as an immigrant and it was like arriving to someone's house and the house is super well kept and organized. I know you might find it hard to believe but yeah things can be a lot shittier.

Thanks, Tarumba. Don't mind the pizza boxes strewn about the floor.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


NBC's Katy Tur said Trump turned in a better performace, but made some "easily fact checked statemwnts." (Lies.)

Chuck Todd agrees, and is practically bemoaning that the not-accepting-results statement will grab -- is grabbing -- all the headlines.

The NBC crew -- Brokaw, maybe? -- also said Clinton also gave her best performance.
posted by Gelatin at 7:53 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Mr. Madison Trump, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Can't wait to watch those poll numbers slide! #BlueTexas
posted by sallybrown at 7:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


NBC News analysis: "every headline across the media right now is: some rich asshole won't accept the results."

Start opening browser tabs and hitting major news sources. It's quite cathartic.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


TRUMP: The answer is, if she wins, I will absolutely support her.

Yeah, but in his defense, that was back when he had a chance to win.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Chris Wallace asked him flat-out if he'd accept the result. All he had to say in order to keep this out of the post-debate narrative was “YES” and he couldn't even do that

Even a very subtle wordless nod would have done it
posted by savetheclocktower at 7:54 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Even Fox is leading with Trump's refusal to accept results.
posted by Talez at 7:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


And his closing was 1:06:45.
posted by guster4lovers at 7:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just timed it. It was 1:00:40.

Freaking incredible.
posted by cashman at 7:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


CSPAN: ladies and sane people for Hillary, angry shouting men for Trump.
posted by moons in june at 7:55 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Just timed it. It was 1:00:40.

Queen.
posted by phunniemee at 7:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


The debates are over! Hallelujah! I feel like they just announced The Emancipation Proclamation. Now onward to Appomattox.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 7:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


First Debate: The answer is, if she wins, I will absolutely support her.

Second Debate: If I win, I will put her in jail.

Third Debate: I'll have to see if I accept the election results.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [81 favorites]


This election isn't even Hermione vs. Draco, is it? It's Hermione vs. Dudley.
posted by ocherdraco


SORRY BUT I HAVE TO

1. It was never Hermione vs Draco. Draco was a dark, sniveling, unlikeable little shit, yes, but he was also a child, and under immense social and familial pressure combined with a nurtured xenophobia that led to his awful actions, but also left room for his eventual PARTIAL redemption.

2. Dudley was a barely two dimensional foil that used fat-shaming as comedic relief and eventually he turned out to be a good guy too, that started out as a mistreated child with nurtured awfulness all around him.

3. Hil is totes Hermione and I LOVE THAT.

4. It's Hermione versus Crabbe. A thick-headed henchman not capable of leadership but perfectly eager to aid and abet, and whose eventual downfall is creating a firestorm he can't control that consumes him totally.

Also Tim is Ron, Egg is Crookshanks, and Vermin Supreme is Xenophilius Lovegood. I'm not 100% decided on those yet though.
posted by lazaruslong at 7:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [85 favorites]


Leslie Knope vs Old Man Yelling at Clouds

This was the least surprising result ever but somehow Trump somehow manages to dig a deeper hole for himself with each one of these debates.

I'm kind of wondering when the rest of the opposition research file eventually hits. Obviously Trump is losing but the Clinton campaign will want to run up the score like an Alabama vs Division II non-conference game result.
posted by vuron at 7:56 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


check out the comments over at the guardian, they are GLO-RI-OUS
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


But he also wished her good luck with Daesh, kinda admitting she's going to win, so...I need a break.
posted by vrakatar at 7:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm amazed at reading up thread that Tur and Todd had those opinions.

FWIW, the PBS crew (Shields, Woodruff, Brooks, Goodman) 100% united in that being a great night for Clinton and a terrible night for Trump.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was difficult to watch. Trump is not an informed or qualified candidate, and has not the social skills to negotiate the survival of the Planet, or the United States.
posted by Oyéah at 7:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


One odd thing is that Trump made no effort to talk up his newfound ethics program (because he just discovered ethics exists). There was no "drain the swamp" talk. I think he couldn't be bothered to memorize a talking point.
posted by zachlipton at 7:57 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Can I just say how much it weirds me out that PBS is using a Led Zeppelin guitar riff to frame their election coverage adverts? (Good Times, Bad Times)
posted by Sublimity at 7:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


When Donald Trump loses bigly, I hope he goes full-frontal DeNiro like the courtroom scene in The Untouchables.
posted by mattdidthat at 7:58 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Poor Tom Brokaw is the only one of the NBC crew impressed with how prepared Clinton was.
posted by Gelatin at 7:59 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I can't wait to hear Sassy Trump refusing to accept the results.
posted by Catblack at 8:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tim is Ron

No Tim is ron's dad
posted by Tarumba at 8:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Next Hillary campaign ad [fake except in my dreams]:

1st clip: Donald Trump, in response to the first question about SCOTUS, saying he supports interpreting the Constitution strictly, as the Founders intended.

2nd clip: Donald Trump being asked whether he will accept the results of this election, saying "I'll look at it at the time."

3rd clip: Khizr Khan saying "Have you even read the US Constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy."
posted by Pallas Athena at 8:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [83 favorites]


I think he couldn't be bothered to memorize a talking point.

That's what happens when you just wing shit and make fun of the people who prepare. She was clearly prepared, and it was just so impressive.
posted by cashman at 8:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


3. Hil is totes Hermione and I LOVE THAT.

Hermione + Leslie Knope + Jo March + Lizzie Bennet

As one of those girls who raised her hand all the time in school, so much that I knew people snickered it was too much, I'm beaming from her performance tonight.
posted by mochapickle at 8:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [77 favorites]


Lead of the CBC 10 pm news: Trump won't accept the outcome.
posted by maudlin at 8:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


I was dreading a 3rd debate since the shitfest of debate #2, but I feel a little bit like America needed the civics lesson it got tonight. Even if it was also scary.

100% on team HRC at this point and it feels good.
posted by MoonOrb at 8:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hermione vs. Dudley

Leslie Knope vs Old Man Yelling at Clouds


Mark Proksch (@m_proksch)
This is like watching Daria debate Yosemite Sam
posted by bibliowench at 8:00 PM on October 19, 2016 [49 favorites]


I have a new respect for David Brooks. I imagine for people deeply invested in covering news in the US, this election is depressing, if not outright terrifying. We are a nation of worn out adrenal glands.
posted by Oyéah at 8:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


One guy on CNN: "You cannot polish this turd..."

Anderson Cooper: "Technically, you can't polish ANY turd."
posted by invincible summer at 8:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [63 favorites]


BRK: Gloria Allred announces a new Trump sexual assault victim will come forward on Thursday. #debate" --@christinawilkie

Gloria Allred was born for this.
posted by zachlipton at 8:01 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


After a bit of thought, and pardon if this has come up before, but I think I understand Trump's word salad. Remember the late 90's and how you'd click on the top result from Alta Vista or Hot Bot, and the page would just have a massive blank space at the bottom, but your cursor would show that there was text? And if you highlighted the text, it would show just an unending stream of random words that were guaranteed to bump the page up towards the top of the results? Super primitive SEO stuff?

That's what Trump's speaking patterns remind me of, but for a modern day MRA Fox News website.
posted by Ghidorah at 8:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [54 favorites]


Every front page in the US and Europe is only leading with the failure to concede story.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


im weirdly excited that the thread is at 1776 comments
posted by poffin boffin at 8:02 PM on October 19, 2016 [40 favorites]


Ha: NBC does pre-packaged segment on puppets that look like the candidates. If they only knew!
posted by mochapickle at 8:02 PM on October 19, 2016


Anderson Cooper: "Technically, you can't polish ANY turd."

Oh Anderson, have I got good news for you!
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Some volunteers at the Hillary rally I went to last week were spray painting these awesome Hillary stencils with chalk paint in bright blue and pink and underneath her profile they said YAAAS.

YAAAS is how I feel right now. I mean on top of the lingering disquiet and disbelief that Donald Trump ever got to this point in the first place.
posted by danielleh at 8:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Brian Williams calls on Hugh Hewitt to start the pundit panel discussion and Hewitt was just sitting there listening to the question looking like he's making a very sad poop.
posted by zachlipton at 8:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


I love Van Jones on CNN. He quotes R Kelly (I think) in exasperation when describing Trump in the debate: "he lies about the lies he lied about!"
posted by lydhre at 8:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


OK - BBC news has finished its debate coverage and is going to the top of the hour... and guess what the lead is?

Aw, you guessed.

"One huge takeaway from this debate..."

The thing he said immediately before, that there were millions of voters illegally registered, was new to me. What was that?
posted by Devonian at 8:03 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Bad Hombre and the Nasty Women" is the name of my next band.
posted by jferg at 8:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [83 favorites]


NBC News analysis: "every headline across the media right now is: Donald Trump won't accept the results."

This is done as of today.


This really does need to be the #1 question posed to every Republican pol running for anything and anybody commenting on any show. Anyone who hedges or dodges or defends Trump needs to be labeled forever as a craven unpatriotic quisling.
posted by FelliniBlank at 8:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


Hugh Hewitt is a real garbage person
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 8:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ha: NBC does pre-packaged segment on puppets that look like the candidates. If they only knew!

They did. #RiggedAF
posted by Golem XIV at 8:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


who is yelling in the background on CNN? They are going bananas

Also CNN, NBC seem to agree this is a slow burning debate, Trump's talk will come back to haunt him in the next few days, not necessarily immediately
posted by Tarumba at 8:04 PM on October 19, 2016


CNN Commentator Van Jones is amazing. On trumpistas trying to defend Trumps accepting the elections results -- "This is a turd that you can't polish!" :)

oops- should have previewed. Still Van is the man!
posted by TwoToneRow at 8:04 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


I love Van Jones on CNN. He quotes R. Kelly (I think) in exasperation when describing Trump in the debate: "he lies about the lies he lied about!"
posted by lydhre at 11:03 PM on October 19 [+] [!]


It was actually LL Cool J. First record, he said.
posted by Thistledown at 8:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Is it too soon to call Texas for Clinton? I'm Texan, and I have no illusions, but... come on. She hit it out of the park so hard tonight I thought I was watching the Cubs bat.
posted by lefty lucky cat at 8:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Such A Nasty Woman / Bad Hombre 2016!
posted by RedOrGreen at 8:05 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


My debate recap is here.
posted by limeonaire at 8:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


The thing he said immediately before, that there were millions of voters illegally registered, was new to me. What was that?

That's a big rightwing conspiracy theory and has been for years.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Bad Hombre and the Nasty Women" is the name of my next band.
posted by jferg at 10:04 PM on 10/19


More like a couple's Halloween costume.
posted by that's how you get ants at 8:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


The thing he said immediately before, that there were millions of voters illegally registered, was new to me. What was that?

There actually are people who are improperly registered- i.e. people who moved and never changed their registration, people who've died and haven't been struck from the rolls. That actually exists. The lie is where Trump (and let's face it, every other Republican for the last twenty years no matter how much they now try to pretend otherwise) pretends that those registrations are a Democratic conspiracy to rig elections through in-person voter fraud.
posted by Pope Guilty at 8:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [23 favorites]


The debates will end with not a single question asked about climate change. --@alexwagner
posted by zachlipton at 8:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


He makes everyone who works for him sign a NDA promising not to disparage him or damage his brand.

Does he have the liquidity to take on 500 NDA cases at once? Or the legal staff? Because he has literally stiffed non-staff lawyers he hired in past cases.
posted by holgate at 8:06 PM on October 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Can we please take a moment to acknowledge my computer, who bravely stood up to TV through windows media center, a muted c-span window (backup), a constantly refreshing metafilter page, and an open fretful tetris window for that whole time and only just now, once everything was finished and I was closing windows, threw up the bsod.

You fought valiantly, my friend.
posted by phunniemee at 8:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [101 favorites]


Over on Fox News, Megyn Kelly puts Jason Miller on the spot about Trump's response about conceding the election. Jason Miller spins it not DJT undermining democracy, but as putting election fraudsters "on notice."

Jason Miller is the worst.
posted by mochapickle at 8:07 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


The debates will end with not a single question asked about climate change. --@alexwagner

But Clinton brought it up herself.

(Though she didn't dwell on it.)
posted by Gelatin at 8:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Van Jones! Yeah, that's the guy, I was hoping his name would pop up on my screen but didn't catch it. He's awesome. I've been watching a lot of CNN lately (it's about as close to opposition-research-news-watching as I can stomach) and I have really enjoyed his commentary.
posted by invincible summer at 8:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


While You Were Watching The Debate, Trump Just Launched Trump TV

In the minutes before the third and final Presidential debate, Donald Trump went live on Facebook in what may have been the inaugural broadcast of a forthcoming Trump News Network.

A little after 8:30 P.M., Trump’s official Facebook page posted the link to the live video, offering up an alternative to the mainstream broadcast. The message: “If you’re tired of biased, mainstream media reporting (otherwise known as Crooked Hillary’s super PAC), tune into my Facebook Live broadcast. Starts at 8:30 EST/5:30 PST — you won’t want to miss it. Enjoy!”
The broadcast quickly ballooned to around 200,000 concurrent viewers but quickly fell off to around 120,000. As of the middle of the debate, the feed was holding steady at around 170,000, trailing only the ABC News debate feed on the platform.

The livestream featured punditry from retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn and former Arizona Governor Jan Brewer and in place of commercials, the feed was interspersed with pro-Trump ads and a special message from Ivanka Trump. Looking more like public access than a glitzy cable news offering, the broadcast moved slowly between guests with at least one or two hot mic off moments where the hosts discussed where the next segment was headed. There were also hints of some surprise programming after the debate ends.

posted by futz at 8:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [24 favorites]


I know I can't be the only reluctant Hillary voter who was swayed to being an enthusiastic Hillary voter tonight. This was the debate I needed - not only was she poking the bear effectively, but she finally sounded like she was doing more that repeating soundbites. She was poised, in control, and even emotional at times.

I cried when Obama was elected because for the first time in my lifetime, the candidate I had campaigned for, donated to, and voted for was the president. He represented me in so many ways, and I was so proud to be part of the reason he was elected.

It took tonight for me to feel that way about Hillary. I've never had doubts about her competency, or her fitness for leadership. But she didn't move me the way Obama always did. And don't get me wrong - I was always going to vote for her.

But tonight, I'm actually with her.
posted by guster4lovers at 8:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [104 favorites]


@DLeonhardt:

Trump, enemy of democracy:
1) My opponent shouldn't be allowed to run
2) If I lose, I may dispute outcome
3) If I win, she will go to jail.
posted by gwint at 8:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [47 favorites]


Can we please take a moment to acknowledge my computer, who bravely stood up to TV through windows media center, a muted c-span window (backup), a constantly refreshing metafilter page, and an open fretful tetris window for that whole time and only just now, once everything was finished and I was closing windows, threw up the bsod.

.
posted by Gelatin at 8:08 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


But Clinton brought it up herself.

No moderator did, so there was never a substantial discussion.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 8:09 PM on October 19, 2016


Can we please make #nastywoman the answer to #deplorable
posted by chaoticgood at 8:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


Quite a night for Trump when he can say things so fucking bonkers and disturbing that they wind up shifting attention away from "bad hombres" and "nasty woman."
posted by MoonOrb at 8:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


The thing he said immediately before, that there were millions of voters illegally registered, was new to me. What was that?

it's lies believed by morons
posted by poffin boffin at 8:09 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


According to a friend if 'SHE' is elected, then Sharia law will be here, which won't affect 'men, but I'm a woman so I'm screwed'.
posted by 922257033c4a0f3cecdbd819a46d626999d1af4a at 8:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Marcos Mateo Ochoa on Twitter:

To all my fellow #badhombres and #nastywomen remember you have the power to vote!!! #debatenight
posted by Pallas Athena at 8:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [30 favorites]


Looking more like public access than a glitzy cable news offering, the broadcast moved slowly between guests with at least one or two hot mic off moments where the hosts discussed where the next segment was headed. There were also hints of some surprise programming after the debate ends.

So Trump's big plan after he loses the election is to become a YouTube vlogger?
posted by My Dad at 8:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [14 favorites]


CNN people keep saying hombre but pronounce hambre which means hunger and it's pretty funny.
posted by Tarumba at 8:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


According to a friend if 'SHE' is elected, then Sharia law will be here, which won't affect 'men, but I'm a woman so I'm screwed'.

DTFMA
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 8:11 PM on October 19, 2016 [19 favorites]


Polished coprolite necklace and here are some earrings. If you're feeling saucy and/or gifty.
posted by amtho at 8:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


like Trump said "We have a bad case of the hunger" rather than bad men
posted by Tarumba at 8:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


There actually are people who are improperly registered- i.e. people who moved and never changed their registration, people who've died and haven't been struck from the rolls. That actually exists.

Voter registration is pushed at you when you renew a drivers license online even if you're not a citizen -- I was asked twice by the online system, with the default as "yes". I have to switch it to "no". But as a non-citizen, I don't even get out of my car if I drive someone to the polling place.

The sane approach is a federal register of voters that is shared with the states and uses federal stuff like USPS change of address forms. And push-driven registration, not pull-driven ones. But when you have a cohort of people who are happy with their Social Security benefits but don't want a federal role in federal elections, that's a basic democracy headfuck.
posted by holgate at 8:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hugh Hewitt: "I think Donald Trump won 14 out of 15 rounds."

Da fuck was he watching?
posted by zakur at 8:12 PM on October 19, 2016 [12 favorites]


So Trump's big plan after he loses the election is to become a YouTube vlogger?


I never doubted this. It was looking a little dicey for him for a while like he might actually have to be President (*turns three times, spits*), the poor lamb, but things are back on track now.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


posted by lydhre I love Van Jones on CNN. He quotes R. Kelly (I think) in exasperation when describing Trump in the debate: "he lies about the lies he lied about!"

posted by Thistledown It was actually LL Cool J. First record, he said.


LL Cool J is perfect for tonight: Mama Said Knock You Out.
posted by mattdidthat at 8:13 PM on October 19, 2016 [16 favorites]


like Trump said "We have a bad case of the hunger" rather than bad men

You wouldn't like him when he's hangry.
posted by Strange Interlude at 8:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah. DJT fucking failed. Hoo Ray. Everyone knew he was gonna anyway. HRC just blabbed we're at war with Russia. I am watching episodes of Parker Lewis Can't Lose to unclench, and Kubiak is my spirit animal and/or fursona.
posted by Slap*Happy at 8:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


Jr Cheeto is talking about teaching poor children about the dignity of work on MSNBC.
posted by Sophie1 at 8:14 PM on October 19, 2016


So Trump TV will be a shitty web stream channel?

I guess now that he's finished running as a nominee for President he can get back to selling shitty products.

Grifters gonna grift I guess
posted by vuron at 8:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


True story: as soon as the debate was over, I ran out to the nearest taco truck.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


Van Jones vs pink pleather lady who is anti political correctness

Omg she is horrible. So is her stuffy old white guy friend.

OMFG YOURE AN AMERICAN IM AN AMERICAN I DONT SEE WHY THATS OFFENSIVE

Anderson Cooper: I'm not sure 1950s American TV is the best guide on language
White people: Mmm, not seeing it.
Latina lady: Actually it's really offensive
White folks: WE ARENT OFFENDED

Gaaaaaaaahhh
posted by telepanda at 8:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


Oh, it's Bateman Jr in the spin room. Trump Jr, Pence and Trump Loser al in Henderson County in the space of a fortnight, knowing that the nearly-deads who make up the HendoCo Bircher brigade are their main hope in WNC.
posted by holgate at 8:14 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hugh Hewitt: "I think Donald Trump won 14 out of 15 rounds."

Da fuck was he watching?


Expecting reality based analysis from right wing radio hosts is like expecting honest questions from right wing moderators.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


I just have the audio of CNN. Who is the guy defending "bad hombres" right now? Is he joking? He's talking in such a weird, performative way. I really can't tell if it's a goof or not.
posted by roll truck roll at 8:15 PM on October 19, 2016


So Trump's big plan after he loses the election is to become a YouTube vlogger?

Wait, do they allow livestreams from prison?
posted by tonycpsu at 8:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


She knows what she knows. She is calm, collected, thoughtful and tough. He is a malignant narcissist who can't complete a sentence better than a 4th grader. She killed it and if she's a nasty woman, I can't imagine what he would think of some of the rest of us.
posted by Sophie1 at 8:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


>Jr Cheeto is talking about teaching poor children about the dignity of work

Which he is qualified to talk about because _______________
posted by Sing Or Swim at 8:15 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


Anderson Cooper: "Technically, you can't polish ANY turd."

But you *can* roll it in glitter.
posted by mikelieman at 8:16 PM on October 19, 2016 [18 favorites]


Hombre!
posted by vrakatar at 8:17 PM on October 19, 2016


futz: The livestream featured punditry from retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn and former Arizona Governor Jan Brewer and in place of commercials, the feed was interspersed with pro-Trump ads and a special message from Ivanka Trump.

Ah, yes, Jan Brewer, whose proudest moment was wagging her finger at President Obama on the tarmac.

Fitting company, indeed.
posted by Superplin at 8:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


So Trump's big plan after he loses the election is to become a YouTube vlogger?

I'm imagining another Alex Jones with about 40% more traction. Not sure that's something the US or the world really needs.
posted by iffthen at 8:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Thanks for the fact check on LL Cool J, I am about as musically inclined as a box of donuts.
posted by lydhre at 8:17 PM on October 19, 2016


Until a fortnight ago I never knew that the name of Obvious Anagram Reince Preibus was pronounced "Rye-nce" and not "Rince" or "Rumplestiltskin".
posted by holgate at 8:17 PM on October 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hey, former Canadian PM Jean Chretien, what do you think about Trump?

"When Hillary had pneumonia, there are pills to help you against pneumonia, but apparently there is no pill against something like stupidity."

Thanks, former Canadian PM Jean Chretien!

(yes, it was before the debate. Still.)
posted by Halloween Jack at 8:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [28 favorites]


I didn't watch this. Is there a single serving debate recap somewhere that doesn't involved reading 1,000 comments?
posted by codacorolla at 8:18 PM on October 19, 2016


I'm picturing Al Gore, sitting in his living room in a bathrobe, looking at his TV screen and rubbing his bleary eyes, wondering why these people on TV are invoking his name to defend the indefensible.
posted by RedOrGreen at 8:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [7 favorites]



Yeah. DJT fucking failed. Hoo Ray. Everyone knew he was gonna anyway. HRC just blabbed we're at war with Russia. I am watching episodes of Parker Lewis Can't Lose to unclench, and Kubiak is my spirit animal and/or fursona.

Uh she didn't need to blab. It's been pretty clear for a number of weeks that there is at least a very warm war going on.
I mean Maddow was talking last night about how Russia has finished setting up a ground to air defense system in Syria, you know to fight all of ISIS planes obviously.

Everything that Putin has been doing these past few months has been setting the stage for some sort of conflict.
posted by Jalliah at 8:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Just timed it. It was 1:00:40.

Backwards in high heels, darling.
posted by spitbull at 8:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [125 favorites]


Just timed it. It was 1:00:40.

None more Knope.
posted by holgate at 8:18 PM on October 19, 2016 [36 favorites]


Hugh Hewitt: "I think Donald Trump won 14 out of 15 rounds."

Hewitt has the wrong metaphor. Yo, man, it ain't like that. You come at the queen, you best not miss.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 8:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh my dear sweet lord.

So I whipped through that math test, finished 8 minutes after the debate start time, booked it to my car while reading the thread, sat in my car reading for like five minutes before I realized the debate was also on the radio. So I ended up driving home to Everett from Bellevue in rush hour traffic with that man's horrible voice in my ears, which is not good for preventing road rage. Anyway, that thing when he drops his voice down real soft? It's even creepier on the radio. Makes him sound like he's grooming a victim.

My impression from just listening to it this time on a crackly AM radio station is that she was spitting hot fire for a lot of that debate, whereas he was a rambling hot mess of NO U and THE WAAAAALLLLLLL. Poor little guy couldn't hold his shit together at all, huh.
posted by palomar at 8:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


I just have the audio of CNN. Who is the guy defending "bad hombres" right now? Is he joking? He's talking in such a weird, performative way. I really can't tell if it's a goof or not.

He's dead fucking serious. It's scary. But I am really enjoying watching the sane commentators be flabbergasted. So there's that.
posted by telepanda at 8:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


So Trump TV will be a shitty web stream channel?

Hopefully it's just going to be a bunch of Twitch Let's Plays with Trump playing pervy Japanese dating sims.
posted by Strange Interlude at 8:19 PM on October 19, 2016 [11 favorites]